Time  Nick          Message
01:45 tumeninodes   seriously considering this. But realizing it could be obsolete by summer :P https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-battlebox-ultimate-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-480gb-ssd-3tb-hard-drive-black/5794006.p?skuId=5794006
08:11 atorian37     o/ all, what mod are you recomend for background sound on a MT server? I have ambience from tenplus1 but the ambience_sound.x.ogg will not play back
08:41 Krock         sequweli seems to have stopped working
08:42 Krock         *mysequweli
08:54 IcyDiamond    why is my label rendering behind the image
08:54 IcyDiamond    but it comes after the image[
08:54 IcyDiamond    formspec
08:56 IcyDiamond    actually its rendering behind all of them
08:56 IcyDiamond    is that something that happens or am i supposed to put the labels before images?
08:57 IcyDiamond    no that doesnt work either
08:57 IcyDiamond    aww
08:58 IcyDiamond    that sucks :(
09:02 lumberJ       different x,y coords for label?
09:02 IcyDiamond    ?
09:03 IcyDiamond    I want it to be on the image tho
09:04 IcyDiamond    whatever
09:04 Krock         well, the drawing order is sometimes not too great
09:04 IcyDiamond    nothing about formspecs is great tbh :P
09:08 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-17-12:08:14.png meh whatever i guess this works
09:10 Krock         Alchemy!
09:21 IcyDiamond    there needs to be a silhouette filter
09:21 IcyDiamond    xD
11:27 Jordach       celeron55: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2 "No such file or directory") [2002]
11:27 Jordach       (forum.minetest.net)
11:29 Krock         a bit less than 3 hours ago: <Krock> sequweli seems to have stopped working
11:31 Krock         we already have an issue for that 8)
11:56 Jordach       seems like the server can't handle emoji
11:56 IhrFussel     So in Wuzzy2's eyes this license is "non-free" ...is it cause it forbids commercial use? https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/
12:02 Fuchs         IhrFussel: that is indeed the restriction e.g. the FSF has for free licenses, it can't be limited
12:02 Fuchs         including "not for evil purposes" or, as in this case, "not for commercial purposes"
12:02 Fuchs         personally I'd say this makes licenses less free, but ah well, matter of viewpoint
12:02 IhrFussel     But just because you can't make profit off of it it's "non-free"? That term sounds wrong to me
12:03 IhrFussel     But "free" has at least 2 meanings
12:05 Fuchs         more, and when it comes to licenses, some people have a very strict view on what "free" means
12:06 Fuchs         see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license#Definitions  and below
12:06 Fuchs         personally I think it's silly, but that's a good topic for long, pointless discussions
12:09 IhrFussel     I'd guess many open source activists only call something "free" if they can do whatever they want with it (minus leaving out copyrights/attributions)
12:11 Fuchs         uuuuh
12:11 Fuchs         free software activists
12:12 Fuchs         open source are the more pragmatic ones  (and thus dislikes by free software activists, e.g. see Richard Stallman)
12:13 IhrFussel     Well acording to people from quora.com "The Open Source Definition doesn't include "free for non-commercial use" licenses."
12:14 Fuchs         yes, see the article I linked, e.g. OSI versus FSF
12:14 Fuchs         but as said, one can spend days discussing this, usually without result
12:14 Fuchs         gist is: some people will indeed see *-nc-*  as non-free
12:14 Fuchs         others won't
12:14 Fuchs         and both have their arguments, and potentially everybody you ask about it has an opinion
12:16 IhrFussel     Personally I find it disgusting to look for some open source code, build a program with it (that is originally available at no cost) and make money with it
12:16 IhrFussel     Example: Most MT clones on iTunes and Google Play
12:18 IhrFussel     That's like saying "hey you worked so hard on this, so let me take it and make profit although I only put in a fraction of your work"
12:19 Fuchs         ‎[14:14:20] ‎<‎Fuchs‎>‎ but as said, one can spend days discussing this, usually without result
12:19 rubenwardy    Lol
12:19 rubenwardy    Hey Fuchs
12:19 Fuchs         hi!
12:19 IhrFussel     But NOBODY would do this in real life
12:19 Fuchs         how's things?
12:19 IhrFussel     Just online
12:20 Fuchs         yes, I'm sure nobody offline would ever make money based on the work others have done for free!  Or discuss that, for that matter. Entirely an itnernet phenomenom
12:20 Fuchs         didn't exist before the internet, like, at all
12:20 Fuchs         *goes back to his cave :>*
12:21 IhrFussel     Or at least I never heard of such a story ... cause usually someone who creates a product wants to sell it themselves
12:22 Fuchs         *cough* Tesla *cough*
12:22 Fuchs         (not the car)
12:22 Fuchs         not to mention plenty of producs that are based on freely available research
12:23 twoelk        -nc is indeed nonfree imho because it can be argued for example that including -nc for free things among others on a magazin cd promotes the comercial stuff and I do have to spend money to get access to the cd
12:25 IhrFussel     But as standalone product nc is still "free" if you payed no money for it
12:26 IhrFussel     But free can mean both "no cost" and "freedom" and more... and I'm sure that's what many argue about whether or not "free" should mean "no money involved" or "freedom to do whatever I want with it" (depending on license terms)
12:27 twoelk        for example would an internet cafe be allowed to let their customers use -nc software?
12:28 IhrFussel     Many products offer a special license/price for commercial use cause they know commercial means "can get quite a bit of money from them"
12:30 IhrFussel     But for me as private user, nc costs no money and allows me to fully use it ... so the average joe would call it "free"
12:32 IhrFussel     But Fuchs is right, the discussion could never end, because the opinions on it are many ... usually the law would then decide what's non-free and what isn't
12:32 Fuchs         uuuuh
12:32 Fuchs         the law doesn't exactly go for that definition of free
12:32 Fuchs         it does for the monetary one
12:33 ThomasMonroe  umm I'm getting a SQL error when trying to connect to the forums
12:33 ThomasMonroe  SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]
12:33 ThomasMonroe  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2 "No such file or directory") [2002]
12:33 ThomasMonroe  An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists.
12:33 twoelk        it may have it's uses but most of the time I think -nc is overcomplicating things beyond thier usefullness forcing people to worry over legal stuff and deciding it's not worth the hassle for their specific usecass and thus moving on to another solution with an easier to understand license
12:34 IhrFussel     Fuchs, you mean the law would rather say "if you can't make profit it's not free" or the other meaning?
12:36 * twoelk      looks for a nice cosey rock to crawl under again
12:36 IhrFussel     MT forum for example allows -nc- mods too ... I think MTG even uses some non-commercial files or maybe that was fixed
12:36 Fuchs         the law would define whether something is monetary "free"  (as in: free of charge), I doubt the law has a say on free as in freedom when it comes to content licenses
12:40 Jordach       the best license is ostensibly WTFPL
12:41 IhrFussel     Maybe it was just in the forum where I read about MT potentially having -nc- textures or something
12:43 Fuchs         Jordach: I recently stumbled over Schroedingers License
12:43 Fuchs         which also has quite the potential
12:45 Jordach       magnificent
12:45 Jordach       new minetest mod
12:45 Jordach       schroedingerscrash
12:46 Jordach       placing, then interacting with the block will either do nothing or crash
12:46 Jordach       inside the node is a counter, ticking from 0 to 1
12:47 Jordach       and attempts to divide by it
12:47 Fuchs         great idea, do it
12:47 Fuchs         mention my contribution though!
12:54 rubenwardy    IhrFussel: MTG has never used NC stufg
13:00 Jordach       i feel like adding an easter egg into my game
13:00 Jordach       anytime someone puts blockchain into chat
13:00 Jordach       they get BITCONNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECTTTTTTTTTT screamed into their ears
13:05 ThomasMonroe  lol
13:06 IcyDiamond    BITCONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT
13:07 Mr-Pardison   or when they put <Invalid UTF-8> it says "Invalid response"
13:07 IcyDiamond    lol
13:08 IcyDiamond    Jordach: do it
13:30 Krock         use blockchain to implement your easter egg
13:46 Amaz          https://gist.github.com/Amaz1/84577af5ef60f7a88a593e3269cac7b0 <-- schroedingerscrash mod :P
13:47 Mr-Pardison   that was fast.
13:47 Amaz          :P
13:48 ThomasMonroe  lol
13:48 Amaz          It doesn't do exactly what was described, but that would be easy to implement :P
13:56 IcyDiamond    is it possible to display a hud when the player is holding an item and the hud contains data from the item's metadata
13:56 IcyDiamond    or does it have to be a formspec
13:57 Jordach       formspecs onlu
13:57 Jordach       the hud api is useless if you have differing DPI
13:57 Jordach       can we please set the default DPI to 96 and font size 18
13:58 Jordach       for all major desktop and laptop platforms at least
13:58 IcyDiamond    damn it
13:58 rubenwardy    sure you can
13:58 rubenwardy    player:get_wielded_item() for the stack
13:58 rubenwardy    then just update the HUD
13:58 sfan5         Jordach: is there an issue open for this
13:58 Jordach       sfan5: i opened one a while ago
14:01 IcyDiamond    but could you show a gui that stays above a node
14:02 rubenwardy    with an entity you can kinda do that
14:02 rubenwardy    but not very well
14:02 IcyDiamond    aw
14:03 IcyDiamond    I knew I wouldn't be able to recreate cool mc mod features here
14:03 rubenwardy    you can use texture modifiers to build text and display on an entity
14:03 rubenwardy    you could do it the same way MC does
14:03 rubenwardy    by modifying the core game code
14:03 rubenwardy    patch mods not plugin mods
14:03 IcyDiamond    I want my crystals to show the elements they contain like the nodes did in thaumcraft
14:04 rubenwardy    screenshot?
14:04 Amaz          It would be nice if the waypoint hud type had an option to allow distance to be hidden, which might make it more useful for things like this.
14:04 IcyDiamond    http://i.stack.imgur.com/PmrlK.jpg
14:05 IcyDiamond    is it a bad idea to use abms on nodes that generate in the world btw?
14:06 rubenwardy    you could do that with an entity, but it would be painful
14:06 rubenwardy    see the name tags on CTF
14:06 Mr-Pardison   running ABM's a lot can and will cause lag.
14:06 rubenwardy    they're an entity
14:06 IcyDiamond    do abms only run on the nodes currently loaded?
14:06 rubenwardy    use node timers for things like furnaces and such
14:06 rubenwardy    active block modifiers only modify active blocks ;)
14:07 IcyDiamond    I want the crystals to passively have a chance to regenerate their element contents
14:07 rubenwardy    really it should be called abnm
14:07 rubenwardy    active block node modifiers
14:08 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-17-17:08:10.png
14:08 rubenwardy    get_string with always be non-nil
14:08 IcyDiamond    k
14:10 IcyDiamond    but how about deserialize("")
14:10 IcyDiamond    is that nil?
14:10 rubenwardy    not actually sure
14:10 IcyDiamond    wait i can try
14:12 IcyDiamond    i think so
14:12 IcyDiamond    yes
14:12 IcyDiamond    minetest.deserialize("") == nil
14:12 IcyDiamond    is indeed true
14:13 IcyDiamond    okay cool whatever
14:13 IcyDiamond    ill keep the abms for now
14:16 IcyDiamond    I guess I could add a crystal inspector tool that displays the contents in a formspec
14:33 IcyDiamond    I just realized that I have a birthday tomorrow
14:33 IcyDiamond    damn
14:34 Mr-Pardison   age is part of lide.
14:34 Mr-Pardison   *life
14:34 IcyDiamond    oh god
14:36 IcyDiamond    [on] ok
14:38 IcyDiamond    can i leave a message to someone who's currently offline here?
14:39 IcyDiamond    actually no i dont want to
14:39 Amaz          If you do in future, !msg name message works :)
14:39 IcyDiamond    okay
14:40 IcyDiamond    I hate my isp
14:40 IcyDiamond    I keep getting timed out of my own server :(
14:40 rubenwardy    /msg MemoServ send NAME MESG
14:41 IcyDiamond    my server has only 4 total registered players lol
14:41 IcyDiamond    and none have played on it recently
14:42 IcyDiamond    i guess its too boring
14:42 IcyDiamond    my minecraft server didnt have players for weeks so i killed it
14:43 rubenwardy    IcyDiamond: what's your server?
14:43 IcyDiamond    icynet.eu
14:43 rubenwardy    cool
14:43 rubenwardy    !server icynet.eu
14:43 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: No results
14:43 Mr-Pardison   port?
14:43 rubenwardy    !server address:icynet.eu
14:43 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: No results
14:43 * twoelk      greets BakerPrime from here as he seems to lack voice over at VE-servers
14:43 IcyDiamond    default
14:43 rubenwardy    not public I guess
14:43 IcyDiamond    it is announced
14:44 IcyDiamond    i didnt make any threads about it tho
14:44 IcyDiamond    maybe because its 0.5.0-dev
14:44 IcyDiamond    I try to keep it up to date with master
14:45 rubenwardy    0.5.0 is da bomb
14:46 Jordach       you're goddamn right
14:46 IcyDiamond    :P
14:46 rubenwardy    the best release yet
14:46 IcyDiamond    i'm developing all my mods in 0.5 as well
14:46 Jordach       release 0.5 OR RIOTS
14:46 IcyDiamond    xD
14:47 * Mr-Pardison hands Jordach a pitchfork and torch
14:47 IcyDiamond    torchfork
14:47 rubenwardy    pls wait for #7226
14:47 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7226 -- Add online content library by rubenwardy
14:47 Jordach       who would win: a community of devs maintaining a game engine or a handful of forum and IRC shitposters
14:47 IcyDiamond    :D
14:47 Mr-Pardison   isn't it obvious?
14:47 Mr-Pardison   devs ofc.
14:48 twoelk        could we make more paths configurable in mt 0.5?
14:48 IcyDiamond    Jordach: devs have that shiny little "@" in front of their names
14:48 IcyDiamond    they can silence you in a single command
14:49 IcyDiamond    :P
14:49 Mr-Pardison   exactly why they would win.
14:49 * twoelk      is still dreaming of this project https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7709
14:50 * IcyDiamond  is dreaming of this project https://github.com/LunaSquee/universium-engine
14:50 IcyDiamond    [of]
14:51 IcyDiamond    (don't compile it, it does nothing)
14:51 rubenwardy    actually, the ops in this channel are half of each
14:51 rubenwardy    devs and non-devs
14:51 IcyDiamond    xD
14:51 rubenwardy    done for a reason
14:51 IcyDiamond    obviously
14:52 Jordach       https://i.imgur.com/igKGIjY.jpg
14:52 IcyDiamond    haha
14:52 IcyDiamond    o3o someone followed me
15:01 BakerPrime    Twoelk: Oh, hmm, weird. I guess VE needs to Auto-Voice you.
15:39 rdococ        Hm, concept: Additional elements maybe from the periodic table IRL, or a fictional version
15:44 IcyDiamond    somebody should make an actual chemistry mod
15:45 IcyDiamond    I mean, I could /probably/ pull it off but eh idk
15:47 rdococ        I was considering it
15:48 rdococ        to be honest, for a simple game like MTG I don't think there should be too many ores, but with a chemistry mod you could go all out and add basically every element or compound to the game
15:49 * Mr-Pardison starts making hydrogen, accidentally places a torch down and sees his whole workshop go boom
15:49 IcyDiamond    you can add every element but they dont necessarily all have to have ores
15:50 IcyDiamond    you can add different processing methods for ores that contain trace elements
15:50 Amaz          Or even just for stone/cobblestone
15:50 IcyDiamond    indeed
15:51 twoelk        didn't jordach or somebody once make a periodic table for mt?
15:51 rdococ        true
15:51 rdococ        twoelk: I was planning on creating a simple periodic table for MTG+mods
15:53 IcyDiamond    man, mt really needs an universal power api
15:53 rdococ        Rather than having every single element from real life, I would divide the real periodic table into more generic Minetest elements instead
15:53 IcyDiamond    technic is not good imo
15:53 rdococ        for example, highly reactive alkali and alkaline metals would be merged into some form of 'Alkalum'
15:53 IcyDiamond    i'd like to get rid of the switching station and power tiers
15:54 IcyDiamond    just have machine/cable tiers which allow for faster power transfer/processing
15:54 Mr-Pardison   IcyDiamond: but a switching station in technic with a reactor is the only way to safely shut it down.
15:54 IcyDiamond    then the reactor has to be redesigned
15:54 Mr-Pardison   well, not shut down per say but service it.
15:55 IcyDiamond    im thinking about making another mod altogether
15:55 IcyDiamond    an API needs to be finished first
15:55 rdococ        Maybe have control rods you could add to the nuclear reactor powered by electromagnets, so if something goes wrong the power can be cut to the electromagnets and the control rods would automatically insert into the reactor
15:55 IcyDiamond    but how would you keep track of networks without an origin?
15:55 rdococ        Electromagnets optional
15:55 rdococ        (for MT, anyway)
15:56 IcyDiamond    can we make power sources find users?
15:56 IcyDiamond    like the switching station finds machines
15:57 Mr-Pardison   player detector from mesecons is kinda what your thinking of if I'm seeing this right.
15:57 Mr-Pardison   *looking for
15:57 IcyDiamond    or should we make machines search for sources instead?
15:57 IcyDiamond    eh, nah
15:57 rdococ        I think IcyDiamond means machines that use power
15:58 Mr-Pardison   have to have some way of connecting the machines to a power supply source which is where cables come in.
15:59 rdococ        Digilines allows you to send arbitrary messages between nodes in what are essentially node networks. I wonder if we could generalize that
16:01 IcyDiamond    what should i call my attempt at making a power system
16:01 IcyDiamond    xD
16:01 rdococ        Energonsâ„¢
16:01 IcyDiamond    XD
16:02 rdococ        MTG has a whole separate tin metal to iron and copper, which I find odd
16:05 IcyDiamond    huh?
16:05 IcyDiamond    how is it odd
16:05 rdococ        I would honestly prefer MTG bronze to be crafted from copper and iron. Sure, it's less accurate, but when MTG went for more accuracy and added tin you end up with a metal that's only really useful in an alloy of which it only takes up some 10%
16:05 IcyDiamond    lol
16:06 rdococ        Essentially, 8 copper ingots + 1 tin ingot -> 8/9 bronze ingots, so a tin ingot is basically worth a small fraction of a bronze ingot, and that's only if you have the copper too
16:06 rdococ        Also, steel tools should not be weaker than bronze tools - if it's meant to be iron then call it iron
16:07 IcyDiamond    yeah i dont like how its called steel either
16:09 rdococ        Also, diamond tools makes no sense
16:09 IcyDiamond    blame minecraft
16:09 rdococ        "Oh, I know what I should make a sword out of" "A precious gemstone!"
16:09 Mr-Pardison   have to hop brb
16:10 IcyDiamond    maybe i should make my own mtg
16:10 IcyDiamond    XD
16:11 rdococ        That might be difficult, plus many mods rely on the current MTG
16:12 rubenwardy    IcyDiamond: yes! Make your own game!
16:13 rubenwardy    !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=19760
16:13 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Please make more games! - Minetest Forums
16:13 IcyDiamond    i could just fork mtg and change things I want
16:13 rdococ        hm, I might do that too
16:13 rdococ        aliasing all steel tools and tin to iron
16:17 rdococ        Also, it's rather difficult to create a game from scratch as has been pointed out in the forum thread, unless that's changed recently
16:18 Mr-Pardison   rdococ: AFIAK, it hasn't.
16:27 rdococ        A simple addition to MTG would be an alkali(ne) metal
16:27 rdococ        it doesn't have one yet
16:28 rdococ        Sodium is the most abundant alkali metal on Earth, maybe that?
16:29 IcyDiamond    so.. salt?
16:30 IcyDiamond    salt is a source of sodium
16:30 IcyDiamond    lol
16:30 rdococ        Table salt is sodium chloride
16:32 IcyDiamond    I think imma do some experimentation with chemistry in minetest
16:32 * IcyDiamond  starts writing elements into a lua table
16:32 rdococ        My brain barrel is dry of good ideas at the moment
16:33 IcyDiamond    I just want to experiment with stuff
16:33 IcyDiamond    thats why i mod in the first place
16:33 IcyDiamond    its fun
16:36 IcyDiamond    oh damn this table is going to be way too big
16:36 IcyDiamond    XD
16:37 rdococ        I'd consider shrinking it to a subset of elements
16:37 rdococ        Maybe have a few elements from each group and period
16:40 rdococ        I like the idea of a game that would essentially be "modernized Minecraft Beta"
16:41 rdococ        s/Beta"/Beta-esque game"
16:48 rdococ        IcyDiamond: I like the idea of a polaroid crystal
16:52 IcyDiamond    lol
16:53 Mr-Pardison   shake it like a polaroid
16:53 IcyDiamond    shake it bake it
16:55 rdococ        Shake it into a yay
16:58 rdococ        hm, is mese piezoelectric?
17:02 CWz           What's up!
17:02 rdococ        The sky
17:02 Mr-Pardison   not my cholesterol afaik
17:02 CWz           Good answer!
17:04 IcyDiamond    lol
17:04 rdococ        My consumption of sugary food and drink
17:04 rdococ        I'm turning into a unicorn!
17:30 rdococ        benrob0329: Hm, concept: Pocket dimensions and portals to them, as a generalization of the TARDIS mod you made
17:30 rdococ        So rather than starting in a TARDIS, you'd start in an empty, say about 32x32 space you could build in
17:30 rdococ        s/32x32/32x32x32/
17:33 rdococ        Obsidian should be easily breakable - heck, it's a form of volcanic *glass*
17:40 benrob0329    rdococ, so like the safe-spaces mode for Gmod?
17:40 benrob0329    *mod
17:40 rdococ        not sure what that is, but sure
17:44 rdococ        Another concept I'm gonna throw out there: Giving furnaces and other things like it an option to set a configurable stack maximum so that pipeworks supersmelters can be made that distribute fuel and coal among the furnaces
17:53 twoelk        why not make furnaces upgradable so that such a function is part of furnace progression
17:54 rdococ        Ooh, that sounds cool
17:55 rdococ        maybe furnace_tiers
18:19 Wayward_One   lol, it seems i can make firefox crash by attempting to copy and paste text from a page into a book in MT xD
18:21 IcyDiamond    XD
18:24 rdococ        Lol, I once managed to crash Minetest by copying from one client to another
18:26 rdococ        Looks like my gold furnace concept works if the item stacks in the pipes that enter the furnace are 1
18:27 rdococ        Nothing a little hacky code can't fix, although nothing a little hacky code can fix well
18:39 rdococ        Can't seem to get it to work
18:40 IcyDiamond    ..gold furnace?
18:41 rdococ        The idea is that you'd be able to set an arbitrary stack limit so that when you pipe items into a line of furnaces, the smelting load is spread out
18:41 rdococ        e.g. five gold furnaces, and each can hold only 20 items
18:42 rdococ        so if you put 99 iron lumps in it, you get a (semi-)even distribution
18:54 VanessaE      sfan5: is there some flag I have to set to force worldedit to let me make "invalid" node selections?  e.g. to //replace an unknown node?
18:54 sfan5         i could tell you where you'd need to patch to allow unknown nodes
18:54 VanessaE      mmmh
18:54 sfan5         but does get_content_id work on unknown nodes? because if not, it won't work anyway
18:55 VanessaE      well all I know is I can point at an unknown node to see its name.
18:55 IcyDiamond    was I the lifeblood of #minetest? It's completely ded now that I started talking here instead
18:55 IcyDiamond    lmao
18:55 rubenwardy    that's common
18:55 IcyDiamond    i feel like an essential part of this irc community
18:55 IcyDiamond    :P
18:56 sfan5         VanessaE: https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit_commands/init.lua#L30-L31  change these to "return nodename"
18:56 VanessaE      sfan, for context, I imported a .we someone gave me, a model of the Titanic, and one of the nodes used frequently is some kind of third-party torch
18:56 sfan5         this will make worldedit accept anything you throw at it, so it might actually crash if you give it a node that's really invalid
18:57 IcyDiamond    maybe i have just developed an ego
18:57 * Mr-Pardison pokes a hole in the ego
18:57 * rdococ      wonders what having an ego feels like
18:58 * rdococ      steals IcyDiamond's ego
18:58 IcyDiamond    XD
18:58 VanessaE      eh, no opportunity to patch that out.  i'll just let the user fix it by hand.  it's not like there are thousands of that node or something.
19:00 sfan5         must be a tiny version of the Titanic then ;)
19:01 IcyDiamond    lol
19:02 VanessaE      heh no, it's still WIP :)
19:03 VanessaE      looks to be about 170 stem to stern
19:03 VanessaE      Mr-Pardison: a thousand dead in icy water?
19:03 Mr-Pardison   nope.
19:03 Mr-Pardison   Halfway.
19:03 VanessaE      ohhh.
19:04 VanessaE      sfan5: looks to be about 170m stem to stern.
19:15 IhrFussel     is it possible that meta data of a node doesn't get saved right away?
19:16 rubenwardy    yes, it dosn't
19:16 rubenwardy    it gets saved when the mapblock gets saved
19:16 IhrFussel     So if I add a player to a shared door via meta and the player tries to access it it takes a moment before it works
19:16 rubenwardy    no
19:17 rubenwardy    because it's loaded in memry
19:17 rubenwardy    you'll only notice something wrong if the server crashes
19:17 IhrFussel     Then I have no explanation for the behavior
19:17 rubenwardy    sounds like a mod bug
19:19 IhrFussel     There is no delay, it sets the meta right after the confirmation message...no globalstep, no minetest.after
19:20 rubenwardy    it would be helpful to have some context
19:20 rubenwardy    even better, some code
19:25 IhrFussel     meta:set_string("allowed_users", meta:get_string("allowed_users").."#"..help[2].."# ");
19:25 IhrFussel     minetest.chat_send_player(name, help[2].." may now use/access this locked object."); << those are the 2 lines that set the meta in the add command of the door
19:25 IhrFussel     help[2] is the playername and it displays correctly
19:27 sofar         you probably want to mark that node meta private so it doesn't get sent to players
19:27 IhrFussel     local liste = meta:get_string("allowed_users") if string.find(liste,"#"..name.."# ", 1, true) then return true end << and this is just the simple check that compares the puncher to the meta
19:29 rubenwardy    I suggest printing out list
19:29 rubenwardy    *liste
19:29 rubenwardy    and also making sure the meta is for the same position
19:30 IhrFussel     It's saved per door AFAIK
19:30 IhrFussel     It's not my mod, I only modify it a bit
19:33 IhrFussel     This code is correct or not? (delete from door command): local newlist = string.gsub(rawlist,"#"..help[2].."# ","")
19:33 IhrFussel     meta:set_string( "allowed_users",newlist);
19:33 rubenwardy    it's disgusting
19:34 IhrFussel     rawlist is the allowed_users meta string*
19:34 IhrFussel     But it should work right?
19:35 rubenwardy    here's a less hacky way: https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/report/init.lua#L1-L26
19:38 rdococ        I would personally use minetest.serialize and .deserialize
19:38 rubenwardy    it's overkill
19:39 rubenwardy    but basically equivilent
19:39 rubenwardy    both those functions are implemented in lua as a recursive function
19:39 rubenwardy    so not as efficient as concat
19:40 rubenwardy    although
19:41 rubenwardy    it could be made much simpler with serialize if you use a key-value dictionary
19:41 Fixer         .
19:43 rubenwardy    rdococ, IhrFussel: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/7dcf78b86ff9f845aaae204e10f0fc84
19:44 rubenwardy    oops, made typo
19:44 rubenwardy    updated
19:44 rubenwardy    v = v and true      --> converts truthy things to true and falsy things to nil
19:45 rdococ        vuv
19:45 tumeninodes   new idea. next time a release is due, just mention it as TBA and leave it at that :P Never ever give an actual date
19:45 rdococ        I wasn't aware Minetest 0.5.0 had a release date
19:45 rdococ        does it?
19:46 rubenwardy    yes
19:46 rubenwardy    I agree
19:46 rubenwardy    also, he's refering to 0.4.17
19:46 tumeninodes   ^
19:57 IcyDiamond    The icy person is here
19:59 * IcyDiamond  is no longer here
20:02 Wayward_One   https://youtu.be/ihNxm7zkdwQ
20:02 Wayward_One   !title
20:02 MinetestBot   Wayward_One: Firefox to Minetest copy-and-paste crash - YouTube
20:05 tumeninodes   heh. Sail!
20:06 Jordach       Press [F] to pay respects
20:09 rdococ        G
20:12 Wayward_One   lol
20:14 rdococ        Oops, wrong key.
20:14 rdococ        R
20:20 aerozoic      hey rubenwardy, i've been using your server score script for awhile now and i've noticed the total points don't always add up with the individual points. Any idea why?
20:25 rdococ        I keep being pinged by nothing
20:31 Jordach       ./nick nothing
20:31 Jordach       ping
20:33 tumeninodes   nick nobody
20:36 rdococ        Nick yays
20:54 Jordach       https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs
20:55 Krock         "Include jQuery, because everything requires jQuery"
20:58 Jordach       here's some more JS cancer
20:58 Jordach       https://github.com/NodeOS/NodeOS/releases/tag/v1.0.0-RC3
20:59 Jordach       sfan5: https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import MinetestBot needs upgrades
21:01 Jordach       https://github.com/CestDiego/sweetgreen.el wtf
21:02 Jordach       "Porting Android to the Ti NSpire CX"
21:03 Jordach       no
21:08 Krock         "Porting the TI NSpire flashing software to GNU/Linux" <-- what I want
21:10 Fixer         throwing API when?
21:10 Krock         2020
21:10 Mr_Pardison   Krock for veep 2020
21:12 tumeninodes   is anyone building flatpacks (or whatever you kids are doing these days) for 0.5.0 dev?
21:47 benrob0329    tumeninodes, no, but that would be neat
21:48 benrob0329    I think Calinou was building Appimages though
21:49 tumeninodes   Hey benrob. Appimage works too either would be nice