Time  Nick            Message
00:03 ircSparky       also I was wondering if LBM on a multiplayer servers run every time a client needs to load a block, regardless if its already loaded by another player or the server
00:09 rubenwardy      lol
00:09 rubenwardy      LBMs -> no
00:09 rubenwardy      LBMs are more likely migration block modifiers
00:09 rubenwardy      so a particular LBM will only run once on a block
00:09 rubenwardy      and never again
00:09 rubenwardy      and also, clients don't load map blocks
00:10 rubenwardy      they cause mapblocks to be loaded when they're near them, but there's nothing special about which client loads a map block
00:11 rubenwardy      so "loaded by another player" doesn't make sence really - it's loaded or not
00:11 rubenwardy      and I'm not sure what you mean by an anti-combat logging mod
00:13 ircSparky       combat logging is when players quit or log out, when they are in the middle of a fight. if you could force a client to stay connected, you could make it so if you detect if someone is in combat when they try to leave, you still make them vunerable to dying a while after they try to disconnect
00:14 rubenwardy      You could spawn an entity
00:14 rubenwardy      Set the hp to the remaining hp
00:14 rubenwardy      Then remember how much they have left for when they log back in
00:15 ircSparky       that would work, I'll try that, thanks
04:54 AndroBuilder    Hello can s/o help me with systemd Service ... something ist wrong it is "active (exited)" so not Really Runninghttps://pastebin.com/GAD7jDJC (with the service status)
04:54 AndroBuilder    https://pastebin.com/GAD7jDJC (with the service status)
04:55 AndroBuilder    It says directory not found but i don't know which one because they all exist
04:55 AndroBuilder    And starting the exec command by the terminal it Works ... just Not as a Service
07:22 sfan5           AndroBuilder: did you put the service file into /etc/init.d?
07:22 sfan5           it should be in /etc/systemd/system
07:22 sofar           looks like someone has a case of the sysvinit...
08:51 tenplus1        hi folks
09:03 lumberJuice     morning, tenplus1
09:03 tenplus1        hi LJ...
09:03 * tenplus1      wants juice now...  *checks fridge*
09:11 lumberJuice     you need a really good juicer to make lumberJuice
09:11 tenplus1        ehehe
09:11 tenplus1        get all the wood pulpy goodness
09:12 lumberJuice     i guess i should have just used the nick "sap"
09:12 tenplus1        was looking at commodore plus4 games and someone has actually written a brand new mario-spinoff for this old 8-bit computer that is actually good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El_qHskaRfg
09:13 lumberJuice     ever watch the 8 bit guy's channel on youtube
09:13 tenplus1        yeh, he's pretty good :PP
09:13 lumberJuice     he has a lot of retro gaming system content that is usually interesting
09:14 lumberJuice     i think he even wrote his own game for one of the commodore systems
09:14 tenplus1        yeah saw that... looked pretty good :)
09:14 tenplus1        I like nostalgia systems like the c16/c64/amiga etc
09:15 lumberJuice     those older simple games are some of the most fun, even now imo
09:16 lumberJuice     or at least they are the most replayable
09:16 tenplus1        agree'd, that;s why so many games are turning retro and 8-bit looking
09:16 tenplus1        it was all in the gameplay... not how it looked
09:16 lumberJuice     true
09:17 tenplus1        the original mario still stands the test of time and playability :)
09:17 tenplus1        amd was prolly no bigger than a 128k rom
09:17 lumberJuice     yep, i think a lot has to do with how much is left for imagination
09:17 lumberJuice     many new games spell too much out with cinematizing (just made that word up)
09:17 tenplus1        game companies look more towards the look and polish over content now
09:18 tenplus1        lol snap!
09:19 lumberJuice     ever played Frogatto?
09:20 tenplus1        I saw that one but never downloaded it :0
09:20 tenplus1        looks good :)))  you ever tried the windows version of Wizball ?
09:20 lumberJuice     its a bit more modern in style than old mario games. its pretty playable and has that vintage style of gameplay
09:20 lumberJuice     don't think so
09:20 tenplus1        an original remade for today :) still as good.... :DDD
09:21 lumberJuice     its been a long time since i've done much of anything on windows outside of work stuff
09:22 tenplus1        to be fair I do run it in WINE on linux :P
09:22 lumberJuice     i occasionally do stuff with wine but its such a pain 1/2 the time i generally just don't bother
09:23 tenplus1        thankfully we got a lot of emualtors to handle older games :P
09:23 lumberJuice     true
09:25 shivajiva       morning folks :)
09:25 tenplus1        hey shiva, how's tricks /
09:25 lumberJuice     good morning shiva
09:26 shivajiva       well the code that worked for floating balls yesterday doesn't work today, now it perpetually bounces with the same damn code :/
09:26 tenplus1        ouch
09:26 tenplus1        lemmie see code in pastebin
09:27 lumberJuice     got to love that
09:28 shivajiva       I think I really need to add a section for the velocity behaviour in water, think it's just under baked
09:30 tenplus1        if it helps: https://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo/blob/master/api.lua#L2216
09:30 tenplus1        falling behaviour for mobs
09:30 tenplus1        in water
09:33 tenplus1        the up movement in water is dampened so it shouldnt bob around too much
09:38 shivajiva       thanks ten, I will craft a velocity behaviour for water as it should have a dramatic effect upon entering compared to air, still doesn't explain why the behaviour changed whilst I slept though lol
09:40 tenplus1        maybe you were sleep-coding :P
10:31 tenplus1        wb ruben
10:48 tenplus1        o/ Krock
10:48 Krock           hi tenplus1
10:48 Krock           this came unexpected
10:48 tenplus1        ?
10:49 tenplus1        just like the spanish inquisition :P
10:50 tenplus1        hi fussel
10:50 IhrFussel       Hi there tenplus1 =)
10:50 Krock           just like this duck norris http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mak2f26Xt91qbjr2v.jpg
10:51 tenplus1        lol
10:57 tenplus1        now there's a mob to be scared of
11:04 shivajiva       yay now I finally have something that works..until I sleep that is :D
11:05 * Krock         tried upgrading his machine a bit physically
11:06 tenplus1        what did you do krock ?
11:06 shivajiva       put the hammer down Krock
11:06 tenplus1        shiva, glad to hear it works
11:06 * Krock         found plenty of DDR, DDR2 RAM in his collection. Required for upgrade: DDR3 fml
11:06 shivajiva       lol same
11:06 Krock           shivajiva, keep in mind that I'm now using Linux, not Windows.
11:06 tenplus1        heh...
11:06 tenplus1        what did you upgrade to ?
11:07 shivajiva       hehe linix is surely an upgrade on doze
11:07 shivajiva       *linux
11:07 tenplus1        very true, and needs far less resources to work
11:08 * tenplus1      's distro only needs 140mb on desktop
11:08 Krock           tenplus1, tried to use the RAM cards I still had resting in a drawer but it turned out none of them is DDR3
11:08 tenplus1        weirdly enough you can prolly get an adaptor for ddr2 to ddr3 but runs slower
11:09 longerstaff13   o/
11:09 tenplus1        I nkow they have one for sodimm to ddr3
11:09 tenplus1        hi longer
11:09 longerstaff13   good afternoon all
11:09 longerstaff13   hey 10+1
11:09 tenplus1        o/
11:09 longerstaff13   :P
11:09 Krock           tenplus1, yes, sodimm DDR3 to DDR3 works quite good because it's the same architecture
11:10 shivajiva       Krock: at least you didn't go down the MB, CPU and memory route only to find out the Intel cpu has more holes than a colander in it :P
11:10 tenplus1        hah
11:10 longerstaff13   XD
11:10 shivajiva       a nice £200 lesson
11:10 Krock           not just Intel has holes
11:11 shivajiva       Ik just being bitter xD
11:11 shivajiva       I think sofar said he'd give me my money back LOL
11:12 shivajiva       Jk
11:12 tenplus1        am still running ddr2 here on my net-top (4gb)
11:12 longerstaff13   I have DDR3L on my laptop
11:15 tenplus1        I wonder if anyone is still running a system with edo ram... lol
11:16 shivajiva       optimised for 66 MHz lel
11:17 tenplus1        :PPP
11:18 shivajiva       why is my pool full of floating footballs lol
11:19 tenplus1        :P
11:19 tenplus1        water polo
11:19 tenplus1        you've just added a new subgame to the world :D
11:21 shivajiva       some of the settings I have used would be good for water based games where the ball velocity isn't modified but it creates a perpetual bounce effect unfortunately
11:24 tenplus1        if y velocity < 0.1 then set to 0 to stop bounce
11:28 shivajiva       yep but without a velocity modifier for water the ball never drops that low
11:28 longerstaff13   heh, I can hear my mother telling the cat to get down off of some wardrobe or something in the living room below
11:28 tenplus1        heh, cats
11:45 IhrFussel       I just compared Linode to my hoster (netcup) ... linode is a ripoff... they want $20 for 4 GB RAM and only allow 3 TB traffic? Mine is $15, has 12 GB RAM and allows 20 TB traffic
11:45 IhrFussel       Sorry not ripoff...not sure what the word is, but kinda scammy
11:46 tenplus1        sounds it
11:46 IhrFussel       Linode only gives you 2 cores for $20 while netcup gives you 4 cores
11:47 tenplus1        wonder why they are being so stingy
11:48 shivajiva       https://drive.google.com/open?id=1n9qTKxioGigbb6CFYGgmaY45UK49wrqS
11:49 tenplus1        ehehe
11:49 tenplus1        nice
11:53 IhrFussel       Linode doesn't state anywhere if the "cores" you get are guaranteed
11:54 Krock           shivajiva, the sky is still visible. add more
11:54 shivajiva       my experience of linode wasn't good, stormchaser uses them and we had serious issues with server crashes that resolved to the vps not MT
11:54 longerstaff13   do linode give every customer a separate machine or is it a few shared machines?
11:55 IhrFussel       OKay seems like my hoster takes a bit more money when you're not in Germany...but the resources you get for $17 are still CRAZY https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/
11:56 IhrFussel       longerstaff13, I doubt that any hoster gives away fully dedicated machines for $20 ... if so the CPU probably sucks
11:57 longerstaff13   heh
11:57 IhrFussel       The cheapest dedicated I can find in Germany is $55 and you get a Xeon v3
11:57 longerstaff13   not bad
11:59 IhrFussel       Although my "root server" @ netcup is not dedicated I must say the highest lag I had in months was 10 secs and that is very rare
12:00 IhrFussel       Cause netcup gives you dedicated cores...it's almost impossible to wait for CPU, cause X amount is enabled just for you
12:00 longerstaff13   10 seconds... ouch
12:01 IhrFussel       That was only 1 or 2 times, could've been also a problem with the hosting node... right now max_lag is 0.3 which is totally fine
12:01 sfan5           longerstaff13: linode is a VM hoster, no dedicated machines
12:01 longerstaff13   oh
12:02 sfan5           the question you might want to ask instead is whether they have dedicated CPU cores for each vm
12:02 longerstaff13   I'd ask that then
12:02 IhrFussel       I feel like they would state that soemwhere if that was the case
12:03 benrob0329      Ayy tenplus1
12:03 tenplus1        hi benrob :P hows you
12:03 longerstaff13   I get this when I look at linode's web page https://postimg.org/image/wefhbltxj/
12:03 benrob0329      Good, I made a thing
12:03 tenplus1        what kinda thing ?
12:04 shivajiva       heh you can get that spec for 1 Euro
12:05 tenplus1        is it donut related ?
12:05 benrob0329      https://youtu.be/a4frCzNMdOE
12:06 tenplus1        ooh, nicely done :DDDD
12:06 benrob0329      Thanks 😛
12:07 tenplus1        you make some pretty amazing movies on the tube dude :P
12:08 IhrFussel       longerstaff13, okay I found one for $20 ... but look at THOSE specs https://www.strato.de/server/linux-root-server/
12:09 longerstaff13   that's surprising for 20 dollars
12:09 * benrob0329    uses https://hosthatch.com/
12:10 IhrFussel       AMD Opteron 1381 is from 2009 I think...very bad CPU
12:10 benrob0329      Oh dedis
12:10 benrob0329      Nvm then
12:10 longerstaff13   http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-Opteron-1381
12:10 longerstaff13   5.2 out of 10 heh
12:10 IhrFussel       benrob0329, nah just talking about how expensive even "decent" dedis are compared to VPS
12:11 Krock           inb4 I'm using a quad from 2007 and works good
12:11 longerstaff13   Krock: lol
12:11 longerstaff13   I'm using a dual-core from 2015 for this laptop, it's not got a great clock speed either
12:12 Krock           hah. same rating, different price http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q6700-vs-AMD-Opteron-1381
12:12 IhrFussel       longerstaff13, I had that dedi once in the past..the one I linked... max_lag in MT NEVER went below 0.4 ... even with NO custom mods and only 1 player
12:13 longerstaff13   heh
12:13 IhrFussel       Average was between 1-2 secs with a few players connected
12:13 longerstaff13   that's bad
12:13 IhrFussel       When someone started to use some heavy nodes/features lag went up to 5 or so
12:14 IhrFussel       Even generating new map was enough to spike lag
12:14 longerstaff13   Krock: http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Celeron-3205U?q=Intel%20Celeron%203205U&ts=1523362455701
12:15 longerstaff13   IhrFussel: I guess you finally upgraded after that then? :P
12:17 IhrFussel       I tried a "shared VPS" from the same hoster but every full hour EVERYTHING hung for 60-100 secs
12:18 tenplus1        weird
12:18 tenplus1        brb
12:18 longerstaff13   heh
12:18 IhrFussel       When I emailed them they told me "that's to be expected with a normal VPS"
12:20 IhrFussel       And then I found netcup, read impressions about them since they are a very small company ... but then I decided to give them a chance and I'm very happy with the performance now
12:20 longerstaff13   good
12:21 IhrFussel       It's often the big hosters that oversell their VPS which results in such garbage performance
12:21 longerstaff13   lots of processes for the CPU
12:23 IhrFussel       But is it really normal or acceptable to not be able to use your VM for ~ 1 minute every hour?
12:25 IhrFussel       I'm guessing it was someone with a very long backup script or something cause it really happened every full hour and made my MT server unplayable... imagine 0.15 secs max_lag for 30 minutes and suddenly 60+ secs max_lag ... just horrible
12:25 Krock           sync it with your backups  >:D
12:49 tenplus1        back :)
12:49 shivajiva       wb :)
12:49 tenplus1        thx... needed a quick walk in the rain to go to store
12:50 Mr_Pardison     wb to the land of hoomans (I think... not sure if all of us are or not).
12:50 tenplus1        hi mister :P
13:00 Mr_Pardison     so, if I'm registering an inventory page for inventory_plus, do I have to replace "your_mod_name","Your Mod Label" in line 3 on this page: https://cornernote.github.io/minetest-inventory_plus/    or do I just leave it as is?
13:02 tenplus1        https://github.com/tenplus1/inventory_plus/blob/master/home_gui.lua#L36 example for ya
13:02 Mr_Pardison     ah.
13:02 Mr_Pardison     thanks.
13:16 tenplus1        hi DI3HARD139
13:16 DI3HARD139      Hello tenplus1
13:17 tenplus1        o/
13:21 benrob0329      o/ all
13:21 tenplus1        o/
13:55 BakerPrime      Is there someone here that could talk me through adding a mesh? I have a .blend file I'd love to try adding as a node in MT.
13:58 BakerPrime      Never mind.
13:58 BakerPrime      Got it figured out, I think maybe....
14:49 tenplus1        Lucky Blocks updated, now has wishing well with random block drops
14:56 tenplus1        including TNT :PPP
14:56 Mr-Pardison     evil :D
14:56 ThomasMonroe    KABOOM!!!!
14:56 Mr-Pardison     *click*
14:56 * Mr-Pardison   hears an explosion in the distance
14:58 tenplus1        ehehe... am trying to add more things to LB mod built-in
15:29 tenplus1        wb
15:35 tenplus1        wb
15:36 rubenwardy      o/
15:36 Mr-Pardison     \o
15:36 tenplus1        o--
15:38 Mr-Pardison     ~0~
15:38 tenplus1        wibbly :P
15:39 rubenwardy      v
15:39 rubenwardy      ~0~
15:39 rubenwardy      ^
15:39 tenplus1        ^-^
15:39 ThomasMonroe    ~_*
15:40 Mr-Pardison     o.O
15:40 tenplus1        @,@
15:40 sfan5           OwO
15:41 tenplus1        hi sfan
15:41 tenplus1        and thomas :p
15:42 ThomasMonroe    hi tenplus1 :D
15:43 Krock           UwU a probwuwem wauwas detewcted. ouwr engineers awuwe working vewuwry hard to fwuwix the pwobwewm
15:43 tenplus1        who let Elmer Fudd into the channel
15:43 ThomasMonroe    lol
15:44 ThomasMonroe    SHHHHH he's hunting wabbits! ;)
15:44 tenplus1        hah
15:44 Mr-Pardison     pretty good in a stew.
15:46 ThomasMonroe    yup :D
15:47 tenplus1        not had rabbit in a while...  tapas place near here does a tasty one :D
15:48 Mr-Pardison     yum... tapas sound good right now.
15:48 Mr-Pardison     esp. since I'm hungry.
15:51 tenplus1        gave well water an ominous glow :D
15:52 ThomasMonroe    XD
15:53 * Mr-Pardison   looks into the well, sees that it might be a trap and runs away
15:54 tenplus1        the well itself gives u goodies, can drop some nice blocks and maybe TNT :P
15:54 Mr-Pardison     it could still be a trap.
16:15 rubenwardy      https://i.imgur.com/LaJ9Kmo.gif
16:15 Mr-Pardison     YES!
16:15 tenplus1        heh... give it a go, see how many times you get blown up or get nice diamond/mese blocks ;D
16:41 Krock           that space outside seems very busy
16:41 tenplus1        ??
16:42 rubenwardy      the gif
16:42 tenplus1        ohh :P
16:46 tenplus1        hi Darcidride_
17:06 rubenwardy      so
17:06 rubenwardy      what's a good linux distro which gives you up-to-date software?
17:06 rubenwardy      basically not Ubuntu with Minetest 0.4.13
17:07 * tenplus1      is using Xubuntu 18.04 final beta, very up to date
17:07 rubenwardy      no
17:07 rubenwardy      that's ubuntu
17:07 Mr-Pardison     using uvuntu 16.04 LTS, used the stable PPA of MT to get 0.4.16 instead of having to use 0.4.13 from the store.
17:07 tenplus1        it comes with 0.4.16 in repo's
17:07 Mr-Pardison     *ubuntu
17:07 rubenwardy      I'm on Xubuntu something and I can't update to the latest LTS because the updater is broken
17:07 rubenwardy      just crashes
17:07 Mr-Pardison     have you tried using the terminal?
17:07 rubenwardy      LOL
17:07 rubenwardy      yes
17:08 tenplus1        >   sudo software-update -d
17:08 rubenwardy      yup
17:08 rubenwardy      that's what I did!
17:08 Mr-Pardison     what about with the -fix-missing and -broken options?
17:08 tenplus1        weird, updated my laptop the other week and it worked ok...
17:08 rubenwardy      I want the most recent stable version of user land software
17:08 DI3HARD139      I have that same problem with Ubuntu Server with xfce
17:08 rubenwardy      but back ported version of OS software
17:09 rubenwardy      user land being the wrong term for things I can see
17:09 rubenwardy      X.04 doesn't give you this
17:09 rubenwardy      it gives you versions at the time of the .04 release, and no newer
17:09 tenplus1        it's quick enough to actually install from flash drive... 8 mins
17:09 rubenwardy      rubenwardy:~ $ sudo software-update -d
17:09 rubenwardy      sudo: software-update: command not found
17:10 tenplus1        >  sudo update-manager -d
17:11 Krock           <rubenwardy> what's a good linux distro which gives you up-to-date software? || slackwave-current
17:11 rubenwardy      tenplus1: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/4f5784619b48b860104d0c78fe0f2308
17:11 rubenwardy      that's the error
17:12 Krock           reinstall the updater?
17:13 tenplus1        are you running server edition ?
17:13 rubenwardy      no
17:14 rubenwardy      17.04, apparently
17:14 tenplus1        yeah, reinstall update-manager and it'll pull in what it needs
17:14 rubenwardy      but it's actually 16.10
17:14 rubenwardy      the update failed but it thinks it's 17.04
17:15 tenplus1        prolly be quicker making a flash drive and running an upgrade from that
17:16 rubenwardy      I'd rather use a distro which doesn't break so easily
17:16 rubenwardy      and gave me up to date software
17:17 tenplus1        I cant recommend anything else unfortunately, ubuntu is my main driver and has always worked on all my systems
17:19 Krock           this sounds like some incoming distro hopping, rubenwardy  :)
17:21 tenplus1        Manjaro is no.2 on the linux charts, could always try the latest release: https://manjaro.org/
17:22 rubenwardy      it would be great if Ubuntu didn't break upgrading when they deprecate a release
17:22 rubenwardy      I worry that Manjaro would give up-to-date software at the cost of massive instability
17:23 tenplus1        how about mint ?
17:23 rubenwardy      oh nice
17:23 tenplus1        based on debian and ubuntu repo's with CHECKED updates
17:23 rubenwardy      rolling release sounds good
17:23 rubenwardy      I'll keep mint in mind to
17:24 tenplus1        mint xfce does work and I tend to give that to my customers who want something like win7
17:29 tenplus1        wb benrob
17:30 benrob0329      ty tenplus1
17:31 BakerPrime      Hello Benrob
17:36 * sofar         coughs clearlinux [advertisement]
17:36 tenplus1        wb longer
17:36 tenplus1        hi sofar
17:37 Mr-Pardison     'ello sofar
17:41 tenplus1        does clear have a live desktop image that installs a desktop.browser etc?
17:53 sofar           I think so, it may not autostart - I don't remember
17:54 sofar           you can install it in the live image anyway
17:54 sofar           there's gnome, xfce4, firefox
17:54 tenplus1        kl
18:03 Fixer           hi
18:03 Fixer           sofar: phoronix already advertises it anyway (paid or not, no idea)
18:03 * rubenwardy    downloads Manjaro
18:03 Fixer           gonna check that high biomes PR
18:07 Fixer           spawned in jungle tree, as usual
18:07 tenplus1        lol
18:09 Mr-Pardison     XD
18:09 Fixer           finally better biomes in MTG
18:09 Fixer           it looks nicer these days
18:10 tenplus1        another reason I wanna transfer Ethereal biomes to floatlands instead of override defaults
18:10 Fixer           i really like how evergreen forest looks, muuuuch better
18:11 Fixer           apple trees need some rework and something also feels missing in apple tree forests
18:11 Fixer           jungle is nice more or less (apart from texture, always disliked it for some reason), ultratall trees look nice
18:12 tenplus1        do we have mixed tree schems in jungle now ?
18:12 Fixer           no idea
18:12 Fixer           ask paramat
18:14 Fixer           carpathian mapgen is surprisingly good for building
18:14 tenplus1        yep, we have mixed schems... just checked code
18:15 Fixer           huuuge flat areas
18:21 Fixer           ck, forgot to switch to proper game
18:26 tenplus1        wb mister
18:27 Mr_Pardison     t.hanks
18:29 Krock           h.ello m.ister
18:30 Mr_Pardison     keyboard heats up fast outside in direect sun.
18:30 Fixer           .e....
18:30 Fixer           try boiling some eggs on it
18:31 Mr_Pardison     nah that's the road during the summer.
18:31 Fixer           and cars
18:33 Fixer           keking https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16494741/38576146-f6025e0e-3d05-11e8-8efc-4d56c0932743.png
18:35 Fixer           if only my calculator can go past vrange 100
18:36 Mr_Pardison     time to start climbing.
18:36 tenplus1        o/
18:36 Raven262        o/
18:36 tenplus1        :P
18:36 Raven262        :P
18:37 * tenplus1      jumps in well
18:37 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/8tkyxFf.jpg
18:37 Mr_Pardison     nice.
18:37 rubenwardy      ew JPG
18:37 Fixer           that biome mismatch - nevermind it, will be fixed
18:37 rubenwardy      fancy uploading a PNG with no HUD or debug things?
18:37 Fixer           yeah, looks shitty
18:38 Mr_Pardison     production quality, folks!
18:38 Fixer           rubenwardy: imgur limits PNG sizes
18:38 rubenwardy      :'(
18:38 Fixer           rubenwardy: you can always take seed and it is carpathian
18:38 Fixer           and coordinates are there
18:39 Mr_Pardison     lol you're only getting 3 FPS with FVR on.
18:40 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/6vHWvsR.png
18:40 Fixer           Mr_Pardison: 13 years old GPU
18:41 Mr_Pardison     explains a lot.
18:41 Mr_Pardison     if I put FVR on, I would get like 1 or 2 FPS.
18:44 Fixer           if only we can push those server owners to use various mapgens we have
18:44 Fixer           servers use v6 or v7 most of the time
18:44 * tenplus1      lieks v7
18:46 Fixer           HUMANS https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DacUhNdXkAEboV-.jpg:large
18:47 tenplus1        Zuck is a lizard person
18:47 Mr_Pardison     XD
18:47 Fixer           very lizard
18:49 * Shara         thinks more servers need to use valleys
18:49 tenplus1        o/ shara
18:50 * rubenwardy    thinks more servers should be different
18:51 * Mr_Pardison   wonders why we're doing 3rd person actions
18:51 * Shara         just likes it
18:51 * tenplus1      wonders why he's wondering why ppl are doing 3rd person too
18:52 * Mr_Pardison   makes a mental note to never sit outside in direct sunlight using a laptop that has a dakr keyboard.
18:52 Shara           Carpathian is too low down the list... most people probably never scroll far enough to see it
18:52 tenplus1        did it melt ?
18:52 Shara           So don't realise it exists
18:52 Mr_Pardison     not yet.
18:53 Mr_Pardison     just a bit of pain when typing.
18:53 Mr_Pardison     not much shade where I'm at.
19:04 Fixer           carpathian is very nice, it offers lots of flat terrain, as well as small, large, huge hills
19:04 Fixer           valleys is very scenic
19:06 Fixer           v6 is as boring as minecraft biomes
19:06 Fixer           v7 is interesting
19:06 Fixer           has rivers
19:07 Krock           singlenode is mind=blown
19:07 Mr_Pardison     /nick Mr-Pardison
19:07 Mr-Pardison     there.
19:07 rubenwardy      right, everything backed up
19:07 rubenwardy      time to install
19:07 rubenwardy      :O
19:07 Krock           gl rubenwardy
19:08 Fixer           sofar: here is another project that you may like https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/skygrid-survival-map/ it has mcedit filter to do this yourself and then convert to minetest format
19:08 * rubenwardy    checks he has a copy of his IRC password
19:14 * rubenwardy    grabs his civ5 saves, don't wanna lose those
19:14 Krock           commit the latest content browser changes
19:15 rubenwardy      ofc
19:15 rubenwardy      oh no, I've lost it all!
19:15 rubenwardy      looks like we'll have to wait until 0.6!
19:15 rubenwardy      maybe we'll have mods by then too
19:15 Krock           SHIT NO PLEASE NO
19:15 rubenwardy      errr
19:15 rubenwardy      *mobs
19:15 rubenwardy      nah, it's on git
19:15 rubenwardy      I git backup all my projects
19:16 * Krock         runs crying in a hysteric way in a circle
19:16 rubenwardy      however there may be WIP changes locally
19:16 Krock           git doesn't mean that it's on the server
19:16 rubenwardy      but I've already gone through and pushed them
19:18 Fixer           mobs, yes
19:18 Fixer           please
19:19 rubenwardy      :D
19:20 rubenwardy      my top issues with MT are:  no content store, MTG is boring, shitty formspecs, poor input code, and bugs and performance
19:21 rubenwardy      hmmmm
19:21 rubenwardy      right, time to break my laptop!
19:21 Shara           Good luck
19:21 Krock           like, physically.
19:21 rubenwardy      I'm scared
19:22 tenplus1        installing Manjaro ?
19:22 rubenwardy      Yeah
19:22 tenplus1        good luck
19:22 Krock           https://www.reddit.com/r/ThingsCutInHalfPorn/
19:23 Krock           "If you're going to break it, do it in the half"
19:23 Krock           </shitpost>
19:28 Fixer           i miss ****fakes
19:28 tenplus1        ?
19:29 Fixer           oh it is not porn
19:29 Fixer           just half cut things
19:30 Fixer           ssd https://i.redd.it/akyihsfkn8q01.jpg
19:30 tenplus1        lol, so tiny inside
19:34 Krock           reserving space to somewhen release a 4 TB version where it still looks like they're making improvements on density
19:35 tenplus1        Samsung has already released their 30.72TB SSD drive :P
19:35 tenplus1        and Seagate came back with a 60TB version in 3.5" drive format
19:36 Fixer           i really wait for a time when I can just take small fanless box with passive cooling with decent gpu and cpu and ssd inside
19:37 Fixer           but I guess there are limits
19:37 tenplus1        rasbperry Pi 3 B with 500gb ssd :D
19:37 Fixer           fan still needed these days
19:37 Fixer           it is slow af
19:37 tenplus1        maybe v4 will have usb3 and proper gigabit eth
19:38 Fixer           I actually wait for decent computer in a keyboard, that will be fun
19:38 Fixer           like old good times
19:38 tenplus1        heh, the good old days :D
19:39 tenplus1        in this day and age pc's are small enough to fit inside a kb anyhoo :)
19:40 Fixer           yes, and they are already made, but not on mass scale it seems
19:40 Fixer           also, that god damn windows, it is getting on my nerves
19:43 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/rdpH2vA.png
19:48 tenplus1        hi gael
19:57 rubenwardy      hello from Manjaro!
19:58 tenplus1        ;)) how's it running dude
19:58 rubenwardy      xmarks isn't working :'(
19:58 rubenwardy      oh wait nvm
19:59 tenplus1        lol
19:59 rubenwardy      just remembered that Firefox Sync is a thing
19:59 tenplus1        what browser you got ?
19:59 tenplus1        ah
19:59 tenplus1        does it contain the new versions of what you need since it's a rolling release ?
20:01 IhrFussel       Most skins on planetminecraft have no license... do you think the users will not complain if we use them on our servers?
20:02 rubenwardy      it's technically illegal
20:02 tenplus1        you'd prolly have to ask
20:02 Shara           No license doesn't mean you can do anything you like with something
20:03 IhrFussel       I cannot ask each user and wait weeks or maybe even months (some skins are years old) for replies
20:03 Shara           It just means you don't know what the conditions for use are
20:03 Krock           if the author doesn't specify what may happen with the texture, then you may not use it
20:03 IhrFussel       I credit them...that should be fine then
20:03 Krock           well, for local use only if it's distributed by them
20:04 Shara           Fussel, uhh, no, that doesn't make it right
20:04 tenplus1        2a. No, a License Was Not Provided With the AssetContact the creator of the asset and/or the host of the asset for licensing information. If your are unable to obtain licensing information, then you cannot legally use the asset in your game.
20:04 Krock           you could even pay them for it but then it's still not legal
20:05 IhrFussel       Most users are kids who make those skins...I doubt that they even know what licenses are
20:05 rubenwardy      doesn't make it ok
20:05 Krock           ^
20:06 IhrFussel       They provided the skins on a page that has a big fat download button and most of them even say "enjoy using them" so it's not clear in what way I should use them
20:06 Shara           Maybe you should check if there are conditions for uploading that define use then
20:06 tenplus1        personal use only... but without license of permission it's illegal to use for something you give away to otehr ysers
20:06 tenplus1        *users
20:08 IhrFussel       Well I credit them...if they still have a problem with their skins being available publicly on my server then they can complain
20:08 rubenwardy      it's still illegal
20:08 rubenwardy      for someone so scared about data protection that's a bit weird to me
20:08 Shara           For someone who has been making such a big fuss about onbe set of laws, it seems you don't give a damn about these ones.
20:09 Shara           one*
20:09 Krock           to be fair, it'll barely happen that anyone complains about it
20:09 Shara           Krock: Well yea, but how would they even know another game is using them? :)
20:09 Krock           they don't. and they can assume that it's not used due the copyright laws
20:10 tenplus1        server use is ok if they are sharing textures, mod use for distribution is not without licence./permission
20:10 Shara           Ten, you're contrdicting yourself. Server use isn't personal use
20:11 Krock           that they share the artwork doesn't allow you to do the same
20:11 Shara           Not when you're dropping it on a public server
20:11 tenplus1        server use = your personal server players play on
20:11 Krock           = singleplayer, then yes.
20:11 Shara           Fussel's server is public
20:12 Krock           also, all clients who don't link their cache directory to some kind of /dev/null void will download it. from your server.
20:13 Krock           ^ * download and save it permanently
20:17 tenplus1        hi aerozoic
20:18 aerozoic        hi tenplus1
20:23 tenplus1        nite folks o//
20:51 IhrFussel       If you say personal use only means locally then it would mean ALL people on that site who use the skins for MC do it illegal since the textures are still shown on other clients or not?
20:58 Krock           dunno about MC but it's definitely allowed for singleplayer use
20:58 * Fixer         right now reading this chat above https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DacVsKOX4AEVxE5.png:large
20:58 Krock           maybe there are also some kind of license agreement on that page which ensure legal use in multiplayer
20:59 Krock           Fixer, vietnam and zuck?
20:59 Fixer           rubenwardy: how is it going?
21:00 rubenwardy      good thanks!
21:01 rubenwardy      just installing GTK themes
21:01 Fixer           GTK2 themes
21:01 Fixer           *_*
21:02 Krock           what WM/DE are you using?
21:11 rubenwardy      XFCE
21:14 Krock           nice :)
21:53 Fixer           rubenwardy: GTK3 one?
21:53 rubenwardy      I don't know
21:54 rubenwardy      the latest, probably
21:54 rubenwardy      XFCE 4.12
21:59 Fixer           yt clickbait at ridiculous levels https://i.imgur.com/mYCAveK.png
22:05 sfan5           when will minetest be popular enough for clickbait videos aimed at 10yos??
22:07 rubenwardy      noob question:    pacman vs yaourt
22:08 rubenwardy      oh wait, yaourt isn't even installed
22:10 sfan5           pacman is the package manager
22:10 sfan5           yaourt is much more
22:10 rubenwardy      I want to install this:   https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/albert/
22:10 rubenwardy      do I need to use yaourt for AUR packages?
22:10 sfan5           no
22:11 sfan5           the manual way is `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/albert.git && cd albert && makepkg -si`
22:11 rubenwardy      that doesn't allow updating though,surely?
22:12 sfan5           `cd albert && git pull && makepkg -si`
22:12 Calinou         yaourt is nice
22:12 Calinou         you can also use pacaur
22:12 sfan5           you can do it manually, but you most likely don't want to
22:12 Calinou         you need to acquire the AUR helper manually, as none of them are included in the Arch repos
22:12 rubenwardy      how do I install an AUR package and have it update/upgrade with a single upgrade command?
22:13 Calinou         (Manjaro/Antergos have built-in AUR support optionally)
22:13 sfan5           that's what you use an AUR helper for
22:13 rubenwardy      I'm using Manjaro :)
22:13 Calinou         (they install yaourt when installing the distro)
22:16 rubenwardy      ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! )
22:16 rubenwardy      guessing this just means that Manjaro don't support it? Ie: it's AUR
22:17 rubenwardy      why does albert depend on virtualbox?
22:17 rubenwardy      that's stupid
22:22 * xerox123      whispers, "I'm on windows..."
22:25 Fixer           albert?
22:25 rubenwardy      https://albertlauncher.github.io/
22:25 rubenwardy      screenshots here: https://github.com/albertlauncher/albert
22:26 Fixer           fonts blurred
22:45 rubenwardy      hmmm
22:45 rubenwardy      I should make a Minetest albert plugin
22:45 rubenwardy      for mods and such
22:45 rubenwardy      using Krocks parser
22:52 rubenwardy      > installs atom
22:52 rubenwardy      > 500MB
22:52 rubenwardy      > sounds about right
22:52 rubenwardy      surely atoms are meant to be small?
22:59 rud0lf          how can i take a list of registered nodes?
22:59 rud0lf          a table, rather
23:00 rubenwardy      what do you mean?
23:00 rubenwardy      what does "take" mean?
23:01 rud0lf          get a reference to all registered items
23:01 rud0lf          sorry
23:02 rubenwardy      reference?
23:02 rubenwardy      as in, a copy of the definition?
23:02 rubenwardy      use   minetest.registered_items[]   for all items
23:02 rud0lf          thanks
23:02 rubenwardy      so you can do       for name, def in pairs(minetest.registered_items) do
23:02 rubenwardy      note that during load time the list will be incomplete
23:07 rubenwardy      I love this, it's so easy
23:13 rubenwardy      oh wow, CTF is in AUR
23:15 rubenwardy      I mean, there's also ctf_pvp_engine which pretends it's a subgame too
23:15 rubenwardy      also "subgame"
23:15 rubenwardy      anyone know who shellkr is?
23:20 Fixer           >atom >500MB, pokerface
23:21 rubenwardy      it's ridiculous
23:33 rubenwardy      oh no
23:33 rubenwardy      oh fuck no
23:34 Fixer           EXTRACT THE RAM
23:34 rubenwardy      the logo for Minetest is wrong!
23:34 Fixer           ∟oh
23:34 rubenwardy      it's some tree thing
23:34 rubenwardy      hmmm
23:34 rubenwardy      wait, it's only like that in albert
23:43 rubenwardy      the violating theme is Vertex-Maia
23:44 longerstaff13-m Hi
23:49 rubenwardy      lol https://github.com/manjaro/vertex-maia-icon-themes/issues/10
23:49 rubenwardy      o/
23:49 rubenwardy      longerstaff13-m: how's it going?
23:49 longerstaff13-m Good morning rubenwardy
23:49 longerstaff13-m Not bad :P
23:49 longerstaff13-m Yourself?
23:50 longerstaff13-m Ello
23:50 Fixer           good night
23:51 rubenwardy      o/
23:51 longerstaff13-m Night