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00:10 Fixer rubenwardy: smth like in terraria?
00:10 rubenwardy yes
00:10 rubenwardy if you read the post it says that
00:11 Fixer opening firefox even on SSD is tough
00:12 Fixer rubenwardy: nice
00:12 Fixer rubenwardy: wonder what if some kind of research is added to this mix
00:12 Fixer maybe not to this mod actually
00:13 Fixer rubenwardy: i would like to see some tabs as in creative inv, all, blocks, items, tools, etc
00:13 rubenwardy yeah, I won't use tabs though
00:14 Fixer just smth useful
00:14 rubenwardy toggle icon button maybe (is that a thing?)
00:14 Fixer no idea
00:14 Fixer don't forget, we were stuck with those formspecs - we lost our sense of beauty
00:15 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6527
00:15 Fixer nerzhul added this to Feature requests in Minetest 0.5 10 days ago
00:15 Fixer lol
00:16 Fixer rubenwardy: looks like that discussion have died down
00:16 Fixer anyway, have fun and a good night
00:16 rubenwardy bike shedding, essentially
00:16 rubenwardy the best thing is for someone to do it and do it well
00:16 Fixer yes
00:18 Fixer rubenwardy: i'm interesting to see how's this mod you developed will be in actual gameplay on some servers
00:18 rubenwardy I'll probably add it to CTF, to test it. Idk
00:19 Fixer actually minecraft now has pretty much the same thing
00:19 Fixer since 1.12
00:20 Fixer you got crafting grid + book button that slowly gets populated like in your mod
00:20 Fixer one thing i dislike in MTG is crafting grid as permanent storage, that's weird
00:20 Fixer gn
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00:45 Mr_Pardison how does the last-login function work in terms of seeing if a player actually exists or not?
00:46 rubenwardy not sure what the question is
00:46 Mr_Pardison the command last-login tells you the last login time of a player.
00:46 Mr_Pardison how does it see if a player has an account on the server?
00:47 rubenwardy it uses the authentication handler
00:47 rubenwardy so auth.txt
00:47 rubenwardy or sauth.sqlite
00:48 Mr_Pardison so, for the bounty hunting I'm working on, it would need to access that to see if a player exists or not.
00:48 rubenwardy minetest.player_exists(name) -> true or false
00:49 rubenwardy 0.4.16 afaik
00:49 Mr_Pardison got it.
00:50 Mr_Pardison thanks.
00:50 rubenwardy yeah, added Jan 18
00:50 rubenwardy +2017
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01:22 Mr_Pardison when creating a new repository for a mod, would you add a .gitignore and if so, in what language?
01:27 Mr_Pardison bah.
01:27 Mr_Pardison I'll add it in later.
01:27 Mr_Pardison Shara, TommyTreasure: initial progress of my mod (just created the repo, will add in the files tomorrow when I have wifi).
01:27 Mr_Pardison https://github.com/cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting
01:28 Mr_Pardison g2g now cya tomorow
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11:59 tenplus1 hi folks
11:59 rud0lf hi folk
11:59 tenplus1 hi rud0lf :P
11:59 rud0lf :P
12:01 Krock hi etn
12:01 Krock hi tenplus1
12:02 tenplus1 ehe, hi Krock :)
12:02 rud0lf why not eleven?
12:03 tenplus1 that's my secret identify
12:03 Krock too easy
12:04 tenplus1 a little birdy told me that mt 0.4.17 is out on the 14th :PP
12:05 rud0lf i bet tenplus1's nickserv password is "11"
12:05 tenplus1 nope, it's 42
12:05 rud0lf in unary?
12:09 tenplus1 hexadecimal
12:10 xerox123 hellooo
12:11 tenplus1 hi xerox
12:15 rud0lf 2A
12:16 tenplus1 2B <-- most excellent pencil
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12:20 tenplus1 hi BakerPrime...
12:20 tenplus1 wb thomas
12:20 ThomasMonroe thanks
12:20 ThomasMonroe I've got a question for you tenplus1 :)
12:20 ThomasMonroe was there a moderator named BiKa on Xanadu?
12:21 tenplus1 she's a normal player
12:21 ThomasMonroe hmm
12:21 ThomasMonroe ok IceAge said something similar
12:21 ThomasMonroe he said she was an old mod
12:22 rud0lf you can't call a women old!
12:22 tenplus1 lol
12:22 rud0lf :)
12:24 BakerPrime Hello TenPlus1
12:24 tenplus1 o/
12:24 BakerPrime Sorry, did I do something wrong?
12:24 tenplus1 nah, o/ <-- waving
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12:25 BakerPrime Ah. yeah, it was the "...." after "Hi" I was wondering about. :P
12:25 tenplus1 hi mister
12:25 rud0lf imagine "o" is a head and "/" is a hand raised in gesture of greeting
12:25 rud0lf ah nvm :P
12:25 tenplus1 ehehehehehe
12:25 BakerPrime lol
12:25 BakerPrime Hmm
12:26 Mr-Pardison 'ello 22/2
12:26 rud0lf sqrt(121)
12:26 Mr-Pardison rud0lf: waving as a greeting.
12:26 rud0lf and boom! 10.999999998
12:26 rud0lf :D
12:26 BakerPrime I wonder, would anyone be interested in seeing the industrial mod updated? (Unless it already is, but it doesn't look like it....)
12:26 rud0lf damn floats
12:27 BakerPrime Anyway, I've been off/on IRC lately because the internet has been very bad lately.
12:27 Mr-Pardison ints m8. ints.
12:27 rud0lf you can't take sqrt of int
12:28 tenplus1 lol
12:28 * Mr-Pardison pulls open his dictionary
12:28 Mr-Pardison syntax error.
12:28 * rud0lf dumps Mr-Pardison's dictionary as json string
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12:29 Mr-Pardison \o
12:29 tenplus1 hi lumberJ
12:29 Krock <rud0lf> you can't take sqrt of int
12:29 Krock that's where you're wrong
12:30 rud0lf is there a sqaure root function that maps int -> int ?
12:30 lumberJ hey tenplus1, Mr.Pardison, Krock and all
12:30 Krock it's going to be very imprecise for small numbers
12:30 rud0lf hi from the "all" crowd :P
12:30 lumberJ hi rud0lf :)
12:31 Krock just that C(++) doesn't have a function which takes bare ints, doesn't mean that it's not possible
12:31 ThomasMonroe hey lumberJ , also fromt he all crowd
12:31 lumberJ Hey Thomas
12:31 lumberJ the all crowd is the in crowd
12:32 ThomasMonroe lol
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12:35 BakerPrime Hello LumberJ
12:35 * BakerPrime looks into the industrial mod....
12:37 Mr-Pardison ThomasMonroe: I posted the link to my repo I created last night. It's just the starting files of the initial commit but I'm working on adding the other files.
12:37 ThomasMonroe ok cool :)
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12:38 tenplus1 hi longer
12:39 longerstaff13-m Was just changing something in the ZNC
12:39 longerstaff13-m Hi
12:39 ThomasMonroe o/ longer :D
12:39 longerstaff13-m o/
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12:39 tenplus1 hi fussel
12:40 IhrFussel Just looping through online players + getting their name + checking against a table value shouldn't cause any lag right? (loop runs every second)
12:40 IhrFussel Hi there
12:41 Krock it causes lag of like 10μs
12:41 rud0lf that's plenty
12:42 rud0lf ;)
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12:42 tenplus1 hi srifqi
12:42 IhrFussel tenplus1, it could just be a coincidence but since I added your ambience mod to my server the max_lag went up a little... from ~ 0.3 to ~ 0.4 ... I tried to set the check time from every 1 to every 2 seconds but that didn't change much
12:43 Krock maybe it's just busier sending the media to clients?
12:43 tenplus1 ambience checks surrounding nodes and will cause a very sliiiight lag
12:43 srifqi hi tenplus1
12:43 Krock hi srifqi
12:43 tenplus1 do you use playerplus ?
12:43 IhrFussel And I assue that slight lag depends on the amount of connected players
12:43 IhrFussel assume*
12:44 tenplus1 yes...  ambience lite has been optimized to work as fast as it can though
12:45 IhrFussel Nope I don't use that
12:45 IhrFussel Maybe I can decrease the check radius a little more
12:45 srifqi hi Krock
12:45 tenplus1 radius is set to 6
12:45 tenplus1 which is small, but certain sounds depend on counters to work
12:46 srifqi rubenwardy: I feel like there is a bug in my PR. Did you found it?
12:49 IhrFussel Does "i hope you die this week" count as harrassment?
12:49 tenplus1 lol, who said that
12:49 Mr-Pardison IhrFussel: I'd say so as it seems like an insult on a personal level said by someone who is very salty about something.
12:50 IhrFussel A player wrote that in a book for a moderator
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12:51 tenplus1 books are usually signed so at least you know who to ban
12:51 IhrFussel Full book text reads "you are stupid and i hope you die this week and i hope your family will die"
12:52 Mr-Pardison OK that's definitely someone who is salty about something that moderator did.
12:53 IhrFussel But it's "harrassing" yeah? Cause I'm not sure if a "bad wish" counts as such
12:53 Mr-Pardison if it's continual, then in my book it counts as harassment.
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12:56 rubenwardy srifiqi: didn't notice anything wrong whilst testing
12:56 rubenwardy admittedly it was testing by using
12:57 rubenwardy rather than a proper test
12:57 srifqi Hmm....
12:57 IhrFussel It's a player who's temp banned right now and I wasn't there when the moderator did the action... so I will wait until the ban is over and then ask him for details
12:57 srifqi Maybe just bad installation. Will try again.
12:58 srifqi BTW, you spelled my nick wrongly. (._.
12:59 Mr-Pardison didn't press tab :P
13:01 rubenwardy oh sorry
13:01 rubenwardy was wondering why tab didn't work
13:04 rud0lf do you think dns query using pure sockets is difficult?
13:07 rud0lf i'd like to make mod for admins that displays similar info to my tcl script: IP: 54.37.138.165; static/dynamic: static; range: 54.36.0.0 - 54.38.255.255 (54.36.0.0/16); known as proxy: no; country: Netherlands (NL)
13:08 rud0lf so they know how to ban possible dynamic range, and whether ip is listed as open proxy on dnsbl.sorbs.net
13:08 rud0lf you think it's a good idea?
13:08 Krock http request to a webserver that already does that.. don't re-invent the whell
13:08 rud0lf rrright
13:09 rud0lf most of webservers that provide it use anti-robot captcha
13:09 Krock A: probably not so easy
13:09 rud0lf C: i'm bored and i like to fiddle with protocols :)
13:09 * Mr-Pardison reinvents the whell by replacing the wooden bucket and rope with a pump and tube system
13:17 * Shara is waiting for that bounty hunting mod
13:17 * rubenwardy is waiting for fishing
13:18 * tenplus1 is waiting for spring
13:18 Mr-Pardison I've run into a slight snag called real life.
13:18 Mr-Pardison I'm sure some of y'all have run into the same thing.
13:18 tenplus1 *nods*
13:25 rubenwardy see #minetest
13:25 rubenwardy <est31> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vsappcenter/guest-blog-playing-in-the-sandbox-how-we-created-minecrafts-multi-platform-design/
13:25 rubenwardy <est31> microsoft removes support from minecraft for GNU/Linux and older windows
13:26 tenplus1 I doubt anyone used the support anyhoo :P
13:29 Fixer ahah
13:29 tenplus1 hi fixer
13:30 Fixer ohi
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14:14 tenplus1 o/ aerozoic
14:16 aerozoic wazup tenplus1
14:16 tenplus1 chillin' you ?
14:23 Mr_Pardison what kind of license do y'all recommend that I use for my mod?
14:23 tenplus1 MIT
14:23 rubenwardy ^
14:23 rubenwardy Either MIT or LGPLv2.1
14:23 Mr_Pardison I'd like it to be modified by others but that they also distribute the source code and attribute the original form to my work.
14:24 rubenwardy then LGPLv2.1
14:24 Mr_Pardison gracias senor.
14:27 Krock CC0
14:28 ThomasMonroe BSD-3 clause
14:28 ThomasMonroe XD
14:36 aerozoic tenplus1, ur chillin me?
14:36 aerozoic XD
14:37 tenplus1 oops, missed the comma :D
14:49 IhrFussel I would never use such a mod on my server...sorry but it should be allowed for server owners to keep at least part of their code private
14:50 tenplus1 ??
14:50 tenplus1 what mod ?
14:50 rud0lf gpl licensed i guess
14:50 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: IhrFussel is commenting on what I said about when I asked what license to use for my bounty hunting mod.
14:51 IhrFussel I mean if I modify a mod with LGPLv2.1 license then I don't want to be forced to make my changes public cause they are supposed to make my server unique
14:51 Mr_Pardison ETA on finishing date is the end of this year but could be middle of next if I run into a thing called real life again.
14:51 tenplus1 you arent...  if it's on your own private server then those changes are ok, but if you upload/distribute your changed mod then you gotta show your work
14:52 IhrFussel Isn't using the mod on a public server "distributing"?
14:52 tenplus1 no, it's personal usage
14:52 Mr_Pardison that's using.
14:53 Mr_Pardison distributing is making changes and sharing it with others (i.e. posting a fork of it)
14:53 IhrFussel So the license just forbids to change the code and then send the mod to others without making the source public?
14:55 Mr_Pardison What I'm going after is them distributing it to others with changes that have been made without publishing it in source form.
14:55 IhrFussel Ah...so is there a license that would forbid changes as personal usage without publishing source code?
14:56 Mr_Pardison I'm not sure if there is but that the kind of license  I'm looking for.
14:56 rubenwardy IhrFussel: you don't
14:56 rubenwardy only AGPL licenses
14:56 rubenwardy oh, already said
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14:57 IhrFussel So AGPL is the "bad" license I described?
14:57 rubenwardy also, if no other mods use the API of an AGPL mod you don't need to distribute any other mods
14:57 rubenwardy although IANAL
14:58 Mr_Pardison \o twoelk
14:58 twoelk o/
15:01 rubenwardy also, MTG is LGPL IhrFussel
15:01 rubenwardy along with the engine
15:02 Mr_Pardison using the same license since it is exactly what I'm looking for.
15:02 rubenwardy AGPL means that you need to provide the source code to people who connect if you host it on a server
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15:05 tenplus1 hi paramat
15:06 Mr_Pardison hello paramat
15:08 IhrFussel rubenwardy, okay thanks... ##law isn't very helpful ... so I better avoid AGPL mods
15:08 paramat IhrFussel : "Full book text reads "you are stupid and i hope you die this week and i hope your family will die". But it's "harrassing" yeah? Cause I'm not sure if a "bad wish" counts as such. It's a player who's temp banned" LOL just perma-ban instead of pondering, you're too soft
15:09 paramat or afraid of infringing human rights? :]
15:10 IhrFussel paramat, I wasn't there when it happened and the chat log doesn't mention it, so I think they might've talked about it in PM which I am NOT allowed to read without very good reasons
15:10 paramat 'harrasment'? obviously, but probably not legal harrasment yet
15:10 rubenwardy that's a death threat
15:11 paramat you're better off without players like this
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15:12 paramat who cares if it is PM?
15:12 Krock uhm... /ignore as new chat command?
15:12 IhrFussel I still wanna know why they wrote that down... it could be cause of mis-treatment, which I'd like to know about
15:12 paramat seems you can't trust your mods to mod
15:12 sfan5 IhrFussel: why would you avoid AGPL mods?
15:13 IhrFussel I don't blindly believe what my moderators do and IMO that's a good thing ... players always have the right to complain about my moderators
15:13 paramat so being nasty is fine in PM because you feel you shouldn't read it?
15:13 * twoelk wonders wther he needs to read the logs
15:13 IhrFussel sfan5, cause I often change some code in mods I add and want to keep the changes unique
15:14 paramat WTF you want to defend the player =/
15:14 * Mr_Pardison defends the server
15:14 rubenwardy sfan5: he's selfish, doesn't like sharing ;)
15:14 tenplus1 o.O
15:14 rubenwardy joking
15:14 rubenwardy you definitely should contribute bug fixes though
15:14 rubenwardy otherwise you should feel bad
15:14 rubenwardy XD
15:14 sfan5 hm yea
15:15 IhrFussel I don't defend the player or my staff...I am neutral on any subject and I would expect that from any server staff
15:15 paramat so if someone acts illegally in PM you'll ignore it because it's PM?
15:15 Mr_Pardison but I give each case equal consideration and how well I do or do not know the player has no weight in my decision on what kind of action I take.
15:15 sfan5 AGPL formalizes the "sharing" that is good practice for GPL-licensed software
15:16 tenplus1 I found a pedo in PM using server logs, that I cannot ignore
15:16 tenplus1 27yr old guy trying to chat up a 7yr old girl... no no NOOOOO
15:16 * twoelk remembers that true neutrality is an illusion because in the end it only helps the reckless bully
15:16 paramat you should trust your mods more than players, otherwise why have mods?
15:16 IhrFussel If your country allows you to read PMs freely then it's fine..mine doesn't and I don't want to get in trouble
15:17 rubenwardy no country allows that
15:17 rubenwardy well, heh
15:17 tenplus1 if it's YOUR server then YOU have the obligation to read all texts it produces in console to keep players safe from abuse
15:17 rubenwardy put a disclaimer in the rules
15:17 rubenwardy you have a moral obligation to make sure no harm comes to players
15:18 rubenwardy so you need to read PMs if they are reported to you
15:18 paramat i doubt your country stops you reading server PMs, you don't know the law obviously
15:18 rubenwardy so have a privacy policy ass part of the rules
15:18 rubenwardy and yeah, it probably doesn't stop you
15:19 paramat the amount of ridiculousness you preach endlessly is quite amazing, and amusing
15:19 twoelk LOL, you now know of the danger so >Gefahr im Verzug< get yourself a <richterliche Verfügung>   :-P   (danger - to be read with a grain of sarcastic salt)
15:20 paramat same goes for your posts in that thread in the forum :]
15:21 IhrFussel Via Google Translate: The operator of a service provides the users with the Personal Messages the possibility of non-public bilateral "personal" (!) Communication. He is thus a provider of a telecommunications service according to the TKG. He is bound by the TK secret (Telecommunication secrecy). He may not only disclose PN content to third parties. He must not take note of them either, so do not even open
15:21 IhrFussel them. The desire to determine the extent of disruptions to the operation by users or moderators does not justify the opening of PN. This must be considered by the admin and the "team". Only the sender and the recipient of a PN may use the content and pass it on, without violating the TK secret; it does not apply to them.
15:22 paramat and death threats probably override that
15:22 paramat however, make it clear PMs will be read if necessary
15:22 rubenwardy prvact polices get around that
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15:24 paramat well anyway, you can just perma-ban anyway and pretend you didn't read the PM, you can go on the word of the mod who received the PM
15:24 twoelk I could imagine that you could declare your ingame PM  system to be only semi private
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15:24 tenplus1 wb sniper
15:25 sfan5 IhrFussel: which law are you quoting there?
15:34 IhrFussel sfan5, in Germany data protection laws are more strict compared to other EU countries (that may change in May) and several lawyers decided that PMs are part of "personal communication" and there is a law that forbids the reading/listening of personal communication
15:34 sfan5 you don't need to explain German laws to me
15:34 sfan5 I just want to know where that information is sourced from
15:35 IhrFussel Here is a German source with MP3 podcast file https://www.law-podcasting.de/darf-ein-foren-admin-die-privaten-nachrichten-der-user-lesen.html
15:36 IhrFussel They talk about "forums admins" but it applies to servers as well
15:37 sofar what's the requirement for reporting possible child abuse?
15:37 IhrFussel The podcast mentions a "certain suspicion" to be able to read the selected PMs
15:38 IhrFussel For example if a user reports the other user and tells the staff that they got sexually harrassed in PM
15:38 twoelk sofar: gefahr im verzug
15:39 twoelk and then the court would later decide if it was correct to report or so I presume
15:40 IhrFussel There is *not* a law that 100% forbids the reading of PMs without such a reason... but in Germany the laws were simply not meant to be applied to the internet as they are, so judges discuss about whether it should be ok or not
15:41 twoelk you know, two policemen at the door hearing something dangerous going on inside may knock down the door
15:41 IhrFussel Some judges say PMs count as "letters" and the reading of letters of others without permission is definitely illegal
15:42 twoelk there is the case of the girl being killed by a train and the parents are not allowed insight to her facebook account to see if there was a suicide note
15:42 twoelk https://openjur.de/u/873426.html
15:45 sofar easy solution
15:45 sofar host in the US
15:45 * sofar lolz
15:45 Shara Looking for opinions on https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2095 if anyone wants to make their feelings known.
15:45 IhrFussel Until recently public WiFi was even a "crime" cause the owner of the WiFi was responsible for EVERYTHING people did on their network
15:47 IhrFussel Certain German laws are extremely backwards...menahwile the politicians talk about "digital age"
15:52 Krock IhrFussel, heh. Merkel named the Internet "Neuland" (new lands), in 2013
15:52 IhrFussel Merkel yes but other parties want to push internet more
15:53 Shara The command is /msg, not /pm. Just override and change the description.. then make it clear in rules it's a message that won't be displayed in general chat but can be reviewed by the admin.
15:54 Shara Most privacy related issues come down to whether the user was fully aware of what might happen with the info they provide.
15:55 Shara There's also nothing to say info in a PM is personal info... In my case I state personal info shouldn't be disclosed on the server, so anything in these messages shouldn't be personal info anyway
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15:56 Shara If you simply refuse to ever look at this stuff, your server could be being used for any kind of nastiness at all and you would never know
15:56 tenplus1 players could be selling Heroin in PM without you knowing, making you accessory
15:57 Shara Makes you an extremely "unfair" server admin, because people could be getting abused via your server, and you don't even bother to check
15:57 Shara Victims often don't dare speak up
15:58 twoelk oh dear not only neutrality but know fairness is also an illusion
15:58 Shara Oh, Fussel likes to bring that one up :)
15:58 paramat but anyway, you can simply take the word of your moderator on this, no need to read the PM yourself
15:59 twoelk anyways, IhrFussel, you could link the the law if it is in here:  https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/index.html
16:03 twoelk LOL the Article 10 of the Grundgesetz  (Communication privacy) only applies to the communication in progress not to the logs of such - though other laws will probably protect that
16:05 IhrFussel Shara, The IP is already personal info the German judges decided
16:05 Shara Yes, I know IP addresses can classify as personal info
16:05 Shara Logs from /msg aren't revealing the IP address though
16:06 IhrFussel No but they can count as "1-to-1" communication which would be illegal to read
16:06 Shara So see the first messages I sent above about setting reasonable expectations
16:06 Shara Then you cover yourself
16:07 twoelk IhrFussel: note the last entry by aaky https://forum.e-recht24.de/14176-chatlog-darf-man-private.html
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16:17 IhrFussel twoelk, https://www.bfdi.bund.de/bfdi_forum/showthread.php?t=3288
16:17 IhrFussel That's a moderator of an official forum of "Die Bundesbeauftragte für den Datenschutz und die Informationsfreiheit"
16:19 sofar you could disable PM/msg chatting entirely
16:19 sofar that solves the problem too
16:20 Shara That was my next suggestion :)
16:20 sofar honestly that's not such a bad idea for many servers
16:20 Shara Ugh, reading german breaks my mind
16:21 shivajiva you would also need to cover irc_msg and @player surely
16:21 sofar maybe we should cobble up a minetest-mods/nopm mod
16:22 sofar or something like that
16:22 Shara Surely it should just be an option to disable in the game itself?
16:22 shivajiva how about a setting :P
16:22 Shara :D
16:22 sofar that wouldn't be backwards compatible
16:22 sofar how are you going to patch 0.4.16?
16:23 Shara A mod would just be a simple override anyway
16:23 Shara But a real setting would be better
16:23 sofar easy to deploy on servers as a mod
16:23 Shara Though the servers that should disable it probably wouldn't bother with either settings or to find a mod anyway
16:24 shivajiva but irc mod would need adjusting to honour the setting or at least support pm as a setting
16:24 sofar irc mod can be patched separately to honor the same setting
16:24 rubenwardy easy as    minetest.registered_chatcommands["msg"] = null
16:24 Shara Just make a mod that checks for irc mod, then overrides the command to add a really high level priv
16:24 Shara whichever way, it's easy
16:24 rubenwardy or nil
16:24 Shara Yup
16:25 Shara Will that stop the player seeing the command?
16:25 Shara I was thinking priv to remove it from command list
16:25 rubenwardy yes
16:25 sofar if priv, yes
16:25 rubenwardy that de-registers it completely
16:25 Shara okay, works fine then
16:25 sofar normal users can't see `server` priv chatcommands
16:25 rubenwardy chat commands are 100% lua
16:26 Shara Just wasn't sure if nil would simply clear the content of the command, or the command itself
16:26 twoelk >Nur der Absender und der Empfänger einer PN dürfen die Inhalte nutzen und weitergeben< ihrFussel, that happened so you can act
16:26 Shara I'd do it by priv anyway, since it might be useful for admins or moderators to be able to send private warnings anyway
16:27 sofar twoelk: don't bother, you need a lawyer to get a real answer anyway
16:28 sofar my bet is that as soon as minors are involved, things get even more complicated
16:29 twoelk problem is this is actually a very lively discussion as there indeed is no clear law for things as this at the moment
16:29 Shara I'll just stay happy to not host in Germany
16:30 sofar hosting in AMS seems like a great soft spot for europe
16:30 sofar pricing is really competitive
16:30 shivajiva might be time to move mine out of Germany
16:31 twoelk yeah, sender and recipient have to give permission for others to read content but what happens if they are underage so they are not yet legally ful capable
16:31 sfan5 other EU countries might not help you for long, depending on how strict the new privacy laws in the EU are
16:31 Shara Conditions on use made clear when someone joins is generally a good approach anyway
16:32 sfan5 twoelk: the "not fully legally capable" applies to contracts, minors have the same privacy protections as any other person by law
16:32 twoelk just declare you do not offer privacy and everything will be logged and used against you
16:32 Shara sfan5: the new laws were meant to unify things for the whole of Europe, but in reality probably won't
16:33 twoelk yes but can they understand what giving others access to their privat chat can mean for themeselves
16:34 Shara Most things involving personal information come down to informing the user and having a legitimate purpose for processing of any information.
16:36 Shara If you want to over interpret things, you can even start getting into issues of whether it's right to host an MT server in the US when you have EU based players, and they might not realise it's in the US, then they end up disclosing some piece of person info and suddenly it's on a US server.
16:36 Shara personal*
16:37 twoelk ok, I found a loophole; IhrFussel you must declare yourself captain and your server a ship at sea: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__88.html
16:37 shivajiva :)
16:37 tenplus1 lol
16:37 shivajiva hiya tenplus
16:38 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's things
16:38 shivajiva not bad thanks, busy mostly
16:38 Mr-Pardison twoelk: stateless pirate.
16:39 tenplus1 :P
16:39 shivajiva all governments use it, British law is founded on maritime law
16:42 twoelk anyways the complete german Telecommunication law (TKG) may be studied here: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/
16:43 shivajiva when you confirm you understand you are actually standing under the jurisdiction of the persons authority to the letter of the law
16:43 tenplus1 line 54 states - "Do it!...  just DO it!!!!"
16:45 shivajiva as a legal entity you surrender your rights, they have to ask you to surrender them because they cannot take them
16:47 shivajiva you might wonder why, it's because they are your servants, they just don't like to highlight that part
16:49 * Shara keeps wondering where that part got lost
16:50 Mr-Pardison maybe in translation.
16:50 tenplus1 ehehe
16:51 * twoelk wonders wether a server farm on a ship in international waters might be a good way of becoming rich
16:51 twoelk might get drowned in porno though
16:51 Mr-Pardison how would you power it?
16:52 tenplus1 hydropumps
16:52 twoelk with porno? lots of energy in that
16:52 tenplus1 all that water
16:52 tenplus1 same with cooling
16:52 sofar pff, everyone knows most datacenters are 80% porno anyway
16:53 twoelk yeah read some numbers lately
16:54 twoelk them porno server farms are pretty impressive - probably larger than any secret service datafarm
16:54 sofar euh
16:54 sofar maybe in germany, lol
16:55 twoelk any pocket book contains more data than the bnd uses
16:56 twoelk probably more secrets in a little girls diary than the BND ever wants to process
16:57 twoelk the tax-databases, that's where the real deep data lies
17:00 tenplus1 so many servers, it's hard to guess what percent is public or private
17:03 sofar oh look, the real Dantdm is playing on ITB
17:03 sofar interesting that he moved to louisiana
17:04 sofar he sounds so british in his youtube streams :)
17:04 tenplus1 he uploaded any itb vids on youtube yet ?
17:04 Mr-Pardison wonder if they will learn creole.
17:04 sofar he's in the tutorial
17:06 tenplus1 kewl...  mt needs more recognition in youtube :)
17:07 tenplus1 was so happy when robbie did episode on xanadu, even though he pronounced name wrong 20 times :P eheh
17:07 sofar he's finished 2 boxes!
17:09 tenplus1 how many boxes you up to now ?
17:14 twoelk 8 in tutorial iirc
17:15 tenplus1 hi twoelk
17:15 Krock tenplus1, isn't it pronounced like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDxcfTm1QTc
17:15 twoelk o/
17:16 tenplus1 if anyone is interested in a tweaked falling entity with damage and unbreakable node check: https://pastebin.com/qN53V8qm
17:17 tenplus1 krock: yeah, but based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4eoUpfRro
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17:43 twoelk Hm Xanadu = Ê‚É‘Ì‚Å‹ tú  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdu)
18:02 tenplus1 laters folks o///
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18:06 sofar I don't want to know what that third / is
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18:38 Hijiri arm-mounted bayonet
18:39 Mr-Pardison a.k.a sword?
18:40 Hijiri A sword usually isn't fastened to your arm, unless you count holding it in your hand
18:42 twoelk he's standing on one leg
18:43 Krock i.e. add glue to your sword
18:44 Mr-Pardison or just get some cable ties and cinch those down.
18:45 Krock or increase the mass of your hand and the sword so the gravity holds both together
18:46 Mr-Pardison that works.
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19:14 Mr-Pardison so, when a player is in a bed during the night, does the game automatically take them out of it or do they stay in it until they manually leave it?
19:15 Mr-Pardison and this is when you have multiple players in the game but not enough to force night skip.
19:17 * Shara deletes all the beds
19:18 Mr-Pardison I was just lying in the fancy bed I had made on DL and it kept me in the bed even though it wasn't night (not enough players in beds to force a night skip)
19:19 Shara Skipping night on DL feels like cheating
19:20 Mr-Pardison unless you're the only one in the game.
19:20 Shara That makes it even more like cheating!
19:20 Shara I really should finish that cursed helm I was thinking about... that makes the light damage you instead
19:20 Mr-Pardison but what if one is exploring?
19:20 Shara Take torches!
19:21 Mr-Pardison Personally, I prefer glostones since I've got a ton of them.
19:22 Mr-Pardison but if I'm building something and am the only one in the game, I'll skip night since I like using natural light to build stuff (especially if it's in or near the water).
19:30 BakerPrime I'm back, somewhat. :D
19:30 BakerPrime It appears "industrial" mod is still stable, which comes as a surprise to me.
19:31 BakerPrime (Sorry, out of context, I was looking into that mod earlier)
19:37 longerstaff13-m Hey baker
19:37 longerstaff13-m And pardison and Shara :P
19:38 ThomasMonroe hey longer :D
19:38 longerstaff13-m Hey Tre :P
19:39 Mr-Pardison sup
19:40 BakerPrime Hello longerstaff
19:40 * twoelk stops the sun on most singleplayer worlds
19:40 BakerPrime Hello Shara
19:40 BakerPrime Hello Twoelk
19:40 twoelk o/
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20:19 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZrwWlJVMAApaeW.jpg:large
20:29 Krock r/programmerhumor had a post about a multiplexer in drake logic: https://i.redd.it/zz5ct77gcbp01.png
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