Time Nick Message 00:19 Fixer rubenwardy: take it easy 00:20 Mr_Pardison \o benrob0329 00:21 Fixer "telluric planets" 00:55 Mr_Pardison Was talking with some others about the cloned apps in the IOS store and came across this article on what to do when someone clones your app: https://arkenea.com/blog/app-cloning/ 00:56 Mr_Pardison MT doesn't have any trademarks but there are some things we could do to get the clones removed from the app stores like posting about the clones on social media sites and other platforms that will get attention of people. 01:00 rubenwardy we can issue a DMCA to apple as they violate our copyright due to the app store 01:00 Mr_Pardison exactly. 01:00 Roger9 E_TIME_SKIPPED_AN_HOUR 01:00 Roger9 Apple sucksâ„¢ 01:01 Mr_Pardison And I post this for security of both servers and their players. 01:03 Mr_Pardison that and I don't like seeing the hard work done to make MT what it is just be blatantly taken without credit. 01:12 Fixer good night everyone, hope you have some future visions of minetest_game 01:12 Mr_Pardison gn Fixer 02:30 Roger9 Flight tastes slightly lemony. 02:53 paramat lemon-soaked paper napkins? 05:32 benrob0329 VanessaE: Chatul Cat 05:33 benrob0329 (Try saying that 5 times fast) 05:33 benrob0329 But in all seriousness, a good name for our rare furry creature is needed 05:36 VanessaE Donut Cat :) 05:37 benrob0329 What, does it have too much weight above the hips :P 05:37 VanessaE haha 05:37 VanessaE no that's a spare tire :P 05:38 benrob0329 celeron55: you wouldn't happen to have a cat would you? 05:38 VanessaE any new name should, in any case, suggest a pastry of so.... of course! Strudel Cat! 05:38 VanessaE (from Toaster Strudel, the main competitor to Pop Tarts) 05:39 benrob0329 Seems fair 05:39 VanessaE of course, someone, somewhere has probably already thought of that :P 05:40 VanessaE yep, already taken 05:40 VanessaE fek. 05:40 benrob0329 Nananananana Struda..oh 05:41 VanessaE of course, the top result is a spoof of NC...... 05:41 benrob0329 Could name it after a Dev's cat 05:41 VanessaE and spoofs are expressly allowed under copyright law... 05:42 * benrob0329 wishes MTs physics were advanced enough to make a Robocraft-esque bot building battle arena 05:45 benrob0329 Paramat's Cyan Cat idea is cute 05:47 benrob0329 VanessaE: is it too late for Chicken Sandwich Cat? 05:47 benrob0329 :P 05:47 benrob0329 Its technically carbs, that counts as a pastry right? 05:47 VanessaE heh 05:48 benrob0329 Or we could spoof a spoof 05:48 benrob0329 Spider Cat, spawns on cave ceilings 05:50 benrob0329 Hmm, Baguette Cat 05:50 benrob0329 Tail is bread 06:00 VanessaE heh 06:00 VanessaE not sure that would work too well... 06:06 benrob0329 game#1961 06:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1961 -- Super rare item 06:08 roben1430 Bah, stupid Android networking 06:11 VanessaE zzz 06:13 * benrob0329 heads off 06:14 VanessaE cya 06:14 benrob0329 Baguette Cat ftw 08:40 tenplus1 hi folks 08:45 lumberJ hey tenplus1 08:45 tenplus1 o/ lumberJ 08:46 tenplus1 how's things ? 08:46 lumberJ pretty good. you? 08:47 tenplus1 better :P figured out the shapeless crafting issue 08:48 lumberJ thats good 08:49 tenplus1 am reading the news, soooo many people leaving FaceBook it seems 08:51 lumberJ i bet. i've had my account disabled for almost 2 years now 08:51 lumberJ i finally decided to go in and delete mine 08:52 tenplus1 I'm on google+ but never really use it... I do however check out minds.com a lot 08:53 lumberJ looks interesting 08:54 tenplus1 fully open-source social site with no gag orders for alternative views :PPP 08:54 tenplus1 and encrypted end to end chat 08:55 lumberJ hows the culture on it? 08:56 tenplus1 so far so good, it's a mixed bag of everyone and some interesting things 08:57 tenplus1 mornin' CWz 09:16 tenplus1 ooh, the TechPack modpack looks pretty interesting: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19784 09:44 lumberJ sort of looks like a reboot of the old industrial pack 09:45 tenplus1 yeah, I like the fact it has a harvester for crops and tree's :D and sorting tubes to pass things into chests 09:46 lumberJ may have to square off with basic machines on that one to see which i like better 09:46 tenplus1 I do like basic machines :) is very versatile once you know how to use it 09:47 lumberJ yes, and established and mostly bugfree 09:47 lumberJ but its nice to see some alternatives coming about 09:48 tenplus1 yeah... we need someone to make [game] packs with a story using these mods 09:49 tenplus1 wait, do we have a questbook mod yet ? 09:54 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11265 all I could find 10:02 tenplus1 the skyblock quest system would be good if it were separate 10:07 lumberJ yeah. i'm working on building in some progression into my server's game 10:07 tenplus1 nice dude, what kinda things you looking at ?? that's why I added utensils :P 10:08 lumberJ its mostly centered around generating greater skill levels which in turn unlock new items/areas to explore/player abilities 10:08 lumberJ but there will probably be some quest like activities especially in the domain of generating magical skill 10:08 tenplus1 ooh, sounds interesting :) 10:09 tenplus1 that was one of the reasons for the blast furnace yesterday :P ore progression 10:09 tenplus1 players enjoy levelling up :D 10:10 lumberJ yep, i think it will both focus players more on the purpose of the server and also make it more enjoyable for a broader range of player types 10:10 lumberJ thats the hope anyway 10:11 tenplus1 I also agree that the armor levels need looked at... some can be too powerful 10:12 lumberJ yeah, thats true. i pretty much trimmed all the armors out except two from 3d armor 10:12 tenplus1 which ones ? 10:12 lumberJ just steel and mithril 10:12 lumberJ then added rainbow from rainbow ore 10:13 tenplus1 I saw the level equation for mc armor and how it shouldnt cut out damage altogether 10:13 lumberJ but i will probably revisit that for the next incarnation of my server 10:13 tenplus1 just recude it 10:14 lumberJ if i recall, armor in minetest works on a chance system, but that may be old/incorrect info 10:14 tenplus1 yeah it does... chance to recver health 10:14 lumberJ not ideal 10:15 tenplus1 am gonna turn that off unless it's a magical armor set (for admin) 10:17 tenplus1 still using 0.4 armor code for Xanadu... works better I thnk 10:18 lumberJ i haven't really perused the differences, but its definitely something to revisit 10:18 tenplus1 0.5 has on_wear on_remove armor functions that let you do more :D 10:22 lumberJ what works better with 0.4 then? 10:22 lumberJ damage handling? or its something else? 10:22 tenplus1 hwo you mean ? 10:22 tenplus1 0.4 is less buggy 10:22 lumberJ got you 10:22 tenplus1 cause 0.5 has way more features 10:23 tenplus1 mind you, I havent used the latest release :) will do taht later 10:25 lumberJ yep, i've been mostly focusing on mods that relate to the core of my game. I will wait and integrate foreign mod at the last possible moment 10:25 tenplus1 yeah, everything has to be tested and tweaked for server before addition 10:30 tenplus1 we really need this though: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1342 10:36 tenplus1 I think ruben added the reason on player death, but we need it on hp_change too 11:18 Krock hi tenplus1 11:18 tenplus1 hi krock, how's things :) 11:19 Krock fine. Sunny weather and not too much to do :D 11:20 tenplus1 sounds good... sun is out here also but cold 11:20 Krock hehe northern weather :P 11:20 Krock I've got a question about your ambience mod: Is it only working in survival mode? I tried it yesterday but the sounds weren't playing 11:21 tenplus1 ?? it shouldnt matter which mode you play in (singleplayer, creative, server) it checks a radius around player along with day time etc. and plays ambient sounds 11:22 tenplus1 to test if it's working, put player head in water, you should hear underwater sound 11:22 tenplus1 or stand next to 5 lava 11:25 tenplus1 jsut tested in creative, survival and server... all working ok... remember background sounds are random, player sounds are dependend on what you are standing in or under 11:28 Krock the seagull sounds work but for some reason I don't hear anything special underwater 11:32 tenplus1 wait, you go underwater and no soudn effect plays ? 11:34 Krock yes, only the flowing water makes waterfall-like sounds 11:35 tenplus1 what version of mt are you using ? 11:35 Krock 0.5.0-dev from yesterday 11:36 tenplus1 should still using proper player positions ?!?!?! try going 3 deep in water 11:36 Krock and the flowing water has a choppy sound end before it starts looping again 11:39 Krock I do hear bird sounds underwater, same as above water 11:41 tenplus1 that's so damn weird... does 0.5 mess with player positionals ? 11:43 Krock dunno. No underwater sounds in 0.4.17 either 11:43 tenplus1 yet I hear them here ok in 0.4.16.... o.O 11:47 tenplus1 is 0.4.17 dev working ok ? 11:49 sfan5 yes 11:49 tenplus1 hi sfan... will test it today and see what's going on 11:49 tenplus1 player position shouldnt change with versions 11:50 Krock tenplus1, maybe I misinterpreted the "underwater sounds" what file would be played in that case? 11:51 tenplus1 when the players head is underwater the scuba.ogg file is played 11:55 Krock tenplus1 >.> 11:55 tenplus1 ? what happened ? 11:55 Krock you're shadowing "nod_head" in init.lua L156 11:56 Krock works after removing the "local" 11:56 tenplus1 oh, I did that and updated earlier... damn... a simple local messed it up 11:56 Krock just just one. both "local"s there did :P 11:57 tenplus1 crap... I fixed that earlier but had no idea it would cause issue with vars 12:11 tenplus1 thanks for noticing though Krock :P 12:12 Krock np ^^ at least it wasn't a Minetest issue 12:12 tenplus1 yeah, was starting to worry about compatibility between versions again 12:14 tenplus1 ahahaha, one of the players on server opened a lucky block which dropped falling bakedclay around them, and the red one squished them dead :P 12:18 tenplus1 hi mister 12:19 Mr_Pardison \o 12:25 tenplus1 hi fixer 12:28 Fixer hi 13:16 tenplus1 hi fussel 13:17 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1 ... sofar I need no statistics when I read complaints from varous players about server X over and over again 13:17 IhrFussel various* 13:17 tenplus1 what complaints ? 13:18 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19854&start=25#p315177 13:19 Mr_Pardison lol they wrecked themselves when they posted that. 13:19 tenplus1 heh 13:20 tenplus1 xanadu has good admin but if you break rules you get limited 13:20 tenplus1 limited = no shout or interact 13:21 IhrFussel I cannot give you exact numbers of course regarding how many servers act "fair" and how many act like a slavery ... but my players complain more about server versus praising them 13:21 IhrFussel servers* 13:22 IhrFussel Banning someone just because the admin can, or cause of name similarities, cause of opinions, cause of "being annoyed" ... those are stupid reasons 13:23 IhrFussel Also banning someone for something that is NOT part of the rules 13:23 IhrFussel That should be illegal 13:24 Mr_Pardison they got shut down after they posted it. 13:24 IhrFussel The server owner should think a long time about how they will state the rules to make sure they don't forget something 13:25 tenplus1 ehehe, we have rules in 7 languages at spawn... very clear indeed 13:25 IhrFussel Players only have to follow what they've been told to follow... that is my opinion and sadly very few share it 13:27 IhrFussel I only have my rules in 2 languages, but they are there and if someone doesn't understand either language then they will not have a good time on the server 13:27 tenplus1 problem is we have a no dating rule, and many players are seen to be dating in chat... so they get limited and complain when they do cause they think admin cant see them /msg one another 13:28 Mr_Pardison that's the funny part that they think admins are blind to PM's. 13:28 tenplus1 so when we kick someone it's justified... even if they cause forum arguments etc 13:29 IhrFussel I don't consider PMs public/regular chat ... German law also forbids reading PMs without special reason, but even if it was allowed I wouldn't read them cause I think PMs are part of privacy 13:30 tenplus1 I gotta read... had a pedo on server once (29) talking to 9 yr old about stuff he shouldnt be talking about... backtraced him to isp and reported him 13:30 IhrFussel That's why I state in my rules that certain topics are not allowed in the public chat ... in PMs they can talk about it all day I don't care 13:31 IhrFussel That's another story...players can still report other players and then I will have a special reason 13:31 IhrFussel Very few players use the report command though which is a shame 13:32 tenplus1 they just mail me at my mailbox using a book :P ehehe 13:32 IhrFussel A report gets saved to file and also displayed for staff on the server website (for example if no staff member can be in the game) 13:33 * Mr_Pardison writes tenplus1 a very strong book about why they shouldn't be drinking 13:34 IhrFussel Some players think the command is a joke and type stuff like "didn't do their homework" which will then be punished 13:35 tenplus1 *hic* 13:37 IhrFussel One of my rules is so long that some small screens can't even display all of it ... I tried to put pretty much every possible bad thing into it "2. Do NOT harass,spam,impersonate,boss,lie,cause drama,abuse commands,use CAPS excessively" 13:38 IhrFussel I still feel like I forgot something 13:38 tenplus1 ehehehe 13:41 IhrFussel Some recently started to talk about rape and suicide in RP channel so I had to add "5. Also do NOT talk publicly about topics that could be emotionally or mentally harmful to others" 13:41 tenplus1 they forget kids are present and to limit topics to simple things 13:42 IhrFussel Even worse...they ARE kids... and they already think about stuff like that 13:42 tenplus1 that part is scarey... 13:42 tenplus1 dunno if they need help or simple want attention 13:42 IhrFussel They also tried sex chat a few times 13:42 tenplus1 word filter kicks anyone that mentions anything like that 13:43 IhrFussel They learned to use words that will not kick/warn them ... like "smashing" for sex and "flashing" for flirting 13:44 tenplus1 and that's where admin come into their own, in 6 languages :P 13:44 tenplus1 hrm, seems falling nodes have a tendency to replace and drop existing one's that arent flowers/grass 13:45 IhrFussel By the way do you still consider it swearing if the word has been censored? Like f^^^ 13:45 tenplus1 yes 13:45 tenplus1 they can easily find another way to say it... 13:45 IhrFussel No I mean if the player types it like that...would you consider it a bad word? 13:46 tenplus1 yes 13:46 tenplus1 other players will still know it's a swear 13:46 IhrFussel Also if they just type "*****" 13:46 tenplus1 I kick anyone saing ffs 13:46 Mr_Pardison I do and I will kick them for that. 13:46 tenplus1 they dont have to resort to swearing 13:46 Mr_Pardison exactly. 13:46 Fixer both admins and players are problematic, if they are teens or even preteens 13:47 Fixer teen admin is the worst kind 13:47 tenplus1 lol 13:47 IhrFussel Do you consider "shit" a swear? 13:47 tenplus1 yeh 13:48 Fixer some admins/owner have pretty relaxed rools so you end up with racism and usual stuff 13:48 Fixer rules* 13:48 Mr_Pardison I won't stand for any of that. 13:48 tenplus1 again, they dont have to resort to swearing... 13:49 IhrFussel Well until recently I only allowed my players to swear if it's not against someone else (= insult) ... but the swearing kinda took over in the chat 13:49 tenplus1 that's how it starts :P 13:49 tenplus1 and I really dont like kids swearing 13:50 Fixer kids swear starting from kindergarten, be real :trollface: 13:50 tenplus1 yeha, they do... but I still dont like it 13:51 IhrFussel Kids these days do a lot more than swearing if that what I read sometimes is their real personality... one young girl last night wanted to send a boy a nude pic she said 13:52 IhrFussel His reaction was kinda funny though ">>> vomits <<<" 13:52 tenplus1 haha 13:52 tenplus1 but that's scarey in itself... 13:52 tenplus1 kids with phones sometimes go waaay to far, even to people they dont know 13:55 tenplus1 o/ atorian 13:58 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 13:58 lumberJ hey twelveminus1 14:01 lumberJ maybe i need to check my math 14:01 tenplus1 :P 14:01 tenplus1 falling.lua code is a tad iffy, it'll let sand fall onto things and drop them that shouldnt be dropped 14:02 lumberJ hmm 14:02 lumberJ sounds kind of fun 14:03 tenplus1 it's very cheaty 14:05 tenplus1 e.g. crystal spikes usually require steel pick to dig up, although drop sand on it and it drops automatically... that aint right 14:05 lumberJ sounds like it should be an easy fix 14:06 tenplus1 it should only fall onto nodes that have buildable_to set 14:06 tenplus1 anything else it stops 15:16 tenplus1 yeah, seems falling.lua has sand falling at speed and it can remove thin nodes that are not buildable_to 15:39 ircSparky is there a trick to get more than one server on the same machine to be on the serverlist? 15:39 rubenwardy ircSparky, yes 15:39 ircSparky does the website or bind adress need to be different that other servers? 15:39 rubenwardy contacting sfan5 15:39 Roger9 hi 15:39 rubenwardy it's an anti-spam measure 15:40 ircSparky ah ok 15:40 sfan5 ircSparky: all you need to do is bind it to a different port 15:41 ircSparky like 30001? 15:41 sfan5 for example 15:42 rubenwardy what's the new server? 15:42 ircSparky they might be bugged 15:42 ircSparky oop 15:42 ircSparky whing chan 15:42 ircSparky wrong 15:43 ircSparky I have two that might come around 15:43 ircSparky I started making a loot based survival called MineZ, and an arena version of Persisten Kingdoms thats more similar to the ctf server 15:45 tenplus1 laters folks 15:45 rubenwardy MineZ -> like DayZ? 15:45 ircSparky yea 15:45 rubenwardy nice :) 15:46 ircSparky btw if anyone wants to make more buildings for the mg_viliages for the spawned buildings, you are welcome. elkien3.com port 30002 15:46 ircSparky also you can look at the existing ones 15:49 Roger9 I will yay 15:51 rubenwardy do you have a realistic health system? 15:52 ircSparky not really 15:52 ircSparky just normal health with hidbars and thirsy 15:52 rubenwardy aww :( 15:53 ircSparky you mean like the dayz system? (I only have the arma 2 mod) 15:53 rubenwardy I don't have either 15:54 ircSparky ok, what do you have in mind for realistic health? 15:54 rubenwardy but like having infections, hurt foot slowing you etc 15:54 rubenwardy like RimWorld but a bit less extreme 15:54 ircSparky ah 15:54 rubenwardy infections are quite important in a post-apoc world, as it's such a big threat in such a world 15:55 ircSparky yea im hoping it wont be too hard to add infections 15:55 rubenwardy sounds cool 15:56 rubenwardy lol, MineZ already exists as a MC mod 15:56 ircSparky foot/leg/arm/torso/head based da,mage I think you'd need to have the player not have one single hitbox 15:56 ircSparky wups 15:56 ircSparky oh well 15:56 Roger9 ircYayâ„¢ 15:57 ircSparky you'd need hitboxed that attach to bones 15:57 Roger9 what would be fun is the ability to modify the angle at which the Sun appears to move to simulate seasons 15:57 ircSparky and effect its respective appendage 15:57 ircSparky when shot, bit, et 15:57 ircSparky etc 16:33 rubenwardy because there are no player inventory callbacks: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/55d9023c7ace5d90f8e9a8ac6e4b1193 17:54 Fixer make a moooooooooooooove, also, proper dayZ is dead, but I still remember those days of the hype 17:55 twoelk eek, sometimes I'd wish the police would just look the other way than opening a catalan can of worms 17:56 twoelk daz? wasn't that another anarchistic game without a real goal - except survive 17:57 * twoelk looks under the tabble for the lost y 17:58 Fixer dayZ and minecraft was the start of that survival/crafting whatever craze, it seems 17:58 Fixer and probably terraria 17:59 Fixer btw need to play terraria 17:59 Fixer and you too 17:59 Fixer plain mtg degenerates your brain, beware 18:13 lisac hello everyone 18:13 lisac I just added half a glass of coca cola to half a glass of pepsi cola 18:13 lisac please don't hate me :( 18:13 lisac it has a weird pepsi taste, suprisingly 18:42 Fixer that is weirdest sudden offtopic I've ever seen 19:02 rubenwardy !msg tenplus1 If you want your skin mod's formspec to continue to have a transparent background, you'll need to add no_prepends[] after size[] 19:02 rubenwardy !tell tenplus1 If you want your skin mod's formspec to continue to have a transparent background, you'll need to add no_prepends[] after size[] 19:02 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around 19:16 * rubenwardy works on damage / death reasons agin 20:36 rubenwardy killer feature updated #6396 20:36 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6396 -- Add reasons to on_dieplayer and on_hpchange by rubenwardy 20:45 rubenwardy !tell tenplus1 damange and die reasons https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6396 20:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: yeah, yeah 21:23 Calinou death reason: "Buffer overflow in sand pit" 21:23 Calinou "Use after free in bridge" 21:23 * Calinou hides 22:07 paramat "Also banning someone for something that is NOT part of the rules, That should be illegal" LOL 22:07 * paramat imagines police raiding an address because little tommy won't let little johnny play with his toy train 22:22 Shara Illegal? Who made that claim? 22:22 * Shara does a search 22:22 * Shara isn't surprised 22:24 rubenwardy paramat, lol 22:24 Shara And the whole thing about reading PMs... my server shows a notice admins may read PMs when you sign in. 22:24 rubenwardy sauce? 22:25 Shara PMs as "part of privacy" is just a funny argument :) 22:25 Shara privacy doesn't mean no one sees anything ever. 22:25 Shara It does mean there are certain ways things should be handled and only certain reasons they should be disclosed 22:26 Shara But if I have good reason to suspect an adult player is sending a child inappropriate messages, then too right I'll check the PMs. 22:26 Shara It's my responsibility to watch for such things, or quite honestly I wouldn't be fit to run a server. 22:38 rubenwardy I have a disclaimer on my server about this 22:44 rubenwardy if you don't put any notices, is it legal to read PMs? 22:45 rubenwardy like, are they called 'private' messages anywhere? 22:46 Shara It's kind of hard to say, which is why I put that up 22:49 Shara From a privacy standpoint, it's often about whether you have been harmed as a result of something. 23:10 Fixer rubenwardy: have you checked amidst? 23:10 rubenwardy no? 23:10 rubenwardy what is that? 23:10 Fixer rubenwardy: that biome viewer for minetest 23:11 rubenwardy ah yeah 23:11 rubenwardy no I haven't 23:11 rubenwardy looks interesting though 23:11 Fixer oh 23:49 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19877 23:49 rubenwardy !title 23:49 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Help us review and merge PRs - Minetest Forums 23:55 paramat nice 23:55 rubenwardy I apologise in advance when we get noobs spamming with +1 23:57 Shara It's going to happen