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00:02 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
00:02 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
00:02 Megaf good
00:02 Megaf I dont want anyone joining the server now
00:02 Megaf working on stuff
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15:16 lisac__ <ThomasMonroe> lisac: LoS_Server> <monk> I've found a bug: when i switch tools using 1-8 keys, it always prompts a little text at the abottom about level 1 and nodes dug 0 for pick/axe/shovel while actualy those tools are higher level
15:16 lisac__ that is because your 'show description on switch' mod doesn't look at item's metadata
15:16 lisac__ just make it first check if the item has valid metadata description set
15:20 ThomasMonroe ah ok :)
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16:02 Krock hi tenplus1whoisnthere
16:03 Mr_Pardison and hello to Krockwhoishere
16:08 Krock hi Mr_Pardisonwhoisheretoo
16:21 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
16:21 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (12ms)
16:21 Megaf !server Megaf
16:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
17:11 lisac__ !server Craig
17:11 MinetestBot lisac__: Craig's Server | minetest.davison.io | Clients: 1/30, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.16 / craig-server | Ping: 8ms
17:11 lisac__ yay
17:12 lisac__ !server CTF
17:12 MinetestBot lisac__: [CTF] Illuna's Capture the Flag - Deep Forest | illuna.rocks:30003 | Clients: 0/30, 0/5 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 10ms
17:12 lisac__ !server Xanadu
17:12 MinetestBot lisac__: Xanadu | 98.166.87.1 | Clients: 3/40, 2/6 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 105ms
17:12 lisac__ how does this magic work
17:15 Megaf lisac: what magic
17:15 Megaf ?
17:16 lisac it knows if a server is up
17:16 Amaz lisac: It checks the server list ;)
17:16 lisac I wonder if it is powered by rainbow
17:16 lisac oh
17:16 lisac :( no rainbows then?
17:17 Amaz Well, maybe! Who knows? :P
17:19 Megaf lisac: of course in the backend the energy source is a rainbow
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17:31 lisac :P
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17:37 Megaf MinetestBot!
17:37 MinetestBot Megaf!
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17:55 Tenplus1 hi folks
17:56 Raven262 Hi ten
17:56 Tenplus1 hi raven
17:57 Tenplus1 I joined #minetest-hug by mistake and never got one... :P
18:02 Tenplus1 how's today been so far ?
18:05 Krock hi Tenplus1
18:05 Tenplus1 hey Krock, how's you ?
18:05 Krock \o/
18:06 Tenplus1 o/
18:06 Krock Tenplus1, oh I'm fine but also quite sad that episodes don't get aired more often
18:06 Tenplus1 which show ??
18:06 Krock Mahou Tsukai no Yome, which is incredibly well done
18:07 Tenplus1 looks interesting, although buying kids at auction... tut tut
18:07 paramat ah very good anime
18:07 Tenplus1 I've been watching karakai-jouzu-no-takagi-san and final space :)
18:07 Tenplus1 hi paramat
18:07 Krock artwork and story are both .. just nice
18:08 * Krock checks
18:08 Tenplus1 it's up to episode 23 on anilinks.to so far
18:08 Tenplus1 Mahou Tsukai no Yome that is
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18:10 Tenplus1 hi tmc
18:10 Krock Tenplus1, 23 but not 24 :<
18:10 Tenplus1 eheheh, eagery awaiting the next ep.  I hear ya :)
18:11 Krock exactly, that's it ... :'(
18:11 benrob0329 o/ Tenplus1 (hello again Krock)
18:11 Tenplus1 lol, story must be real good
18:11 Tenplus1 hi benrob
18:11 Krock o/ benrob0329-minetest
18:13 Krock Tenplus1, it's like "oh what a nice series" .. a few days later "how many eps are there" and a MAL check later "aaagh I can't wait for it :<"
18:14 * Krock feels addicted
18:14 Tenplus1 heh...  I always try to wait for the whole series to end before watching, but sometimes you find that gem among anime and you cannot wait
18:14 Tenplus1 here's a little something to while the time away: http://anilinkz.to/final-space-episode-1
18:17 Krock Tenplus1, rick and morty in space?
18:17 Tenplus1 heh, kinda... it's funny :)
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18:30 Tenplus1 hi fussel
18:36 IhrFussel Hello Tenplus1
18:44 Tenplus1 o//
18:46 IhrFussel What could cause a glitched (dummy) skin for just ONE player?
18:46 IhrFussel It works on other players
18:46 Tenplus1 what mod ?
18:46 IhrFussel U_skins ... I didn't update anything though
18:46 IhrFussel u_skins*
18:47 IhrFussel Could it be his app?
18:47 Tenplus1 does the player in question have any special characters in their nick ?
18:47 IhrFussel Nope just A-z
18:48 Tenplus1 hrm... very strange, if it works with other players could be player file a lil corrupt maybe ?!
18:48 Tenplus1 lemmie check uskins code quick.
18:49 IhrFussel u_skins.mt file lists him correctly as character_24 andd charcter_24.png exists in the textures folder
18:49 Tenplus1 how does it look glitched exactly ?
18:50 IhrFussel Dummy image (rainbow)
18:52 Tenplus1 is player using official minetest client ?
18:52 Tenplus1 I see uskins has support for sprites and models both
18:52 IhrFussel No, that's why I asked if the app can cause such issues
18:52 IhrFussel But I thought skin code runs entirely server-side
18:52 Tenplus1 could depend on the app if they use upright sprites as characters or models, that would cause issue, yes
18:53 Tenplus1 ask them to use official app and see if it fixes itself
19:03 IhrFussel He says "I don't care if I'm a blob"
19:04 Tenplus1 ehehe, so long as he can play ok :) can be his super power... the blob
19:05 Tenplus1 would be nice if u_skins mod has the /setskin command handy to force set a new skin to try
19:07 IhrFussel I think he tried another but was still a blob
19:07 Tenplus1 sounds like his client ...
19:08 IhrFussel Yeah the exact same skin works on mine and looks normal
19:08 Tenplus1 which makes me think... why is he so set on using his shoddy client ? is it a proper game or hack build ?!
19:08 IhrFussel Has there been a compat break between skins in 0.4.11 - 0.4.16 ?
19:09 Tenplus1 new player model
19:09 Tenplus1 has been tweaked a few times actually
19:09 IhrFussel Maybe his client is just too old...let me check the prot version
19:09 Tenplus1 he really has to use a 0.4.16 stable client to play properly on most servers
19:10 IhrFussel 27 ... that's 0.4.12 or 0.4.13
19:11 Tenplus1 he could easily install 0.4.16 stable for (win/linux/android) to try it out and see if it works better... hell, he may even get a speed boost and more fps
19:19 IhrFussel He uses iPad so we have the Apple problem
19:19 Tenplus1 ah crap, good point... not many working mt clients on that platform, well, none without a ridiculous amount of ads
19:24 IhrFussel Many of the apps still use 0.4.13 or older
19:25 Tenplus1 sad but true, once they have an basic app that shows ads and makes them cash they dont really keep it up to date
19:25 Tenplus1 apple really should allow users to download/install their own software instead of forcing them to use app store
19:27 IhrFussel I just ran grep -Eo "PROTOCOL.{1,}" .minetest/debug.txt | sort | uniq | grep -c ": 27" ... the result is SHOCKING... about 10,000 accounts joined with that old version
19:27 paramat joined #minetest-hub
19:27 Tenplus1 wb paramat
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19:27 Tenplus1 hi mister
19:27 IhrFussel Compared to 0.4.16 which is only used by 3.2 K
19:28 Mr_Pardison oy
19:30 Tenplus1 it's sad that many kids use fake clients to play on mt servers and then complain when things dont work properly... and worse still they have to watch ads for the pleasure
19:30 Mr-Pardison ikr.
19:31 Tenplus1 it's the one platform we really need an official minetest for and apple are standing in the way with their shitty fee's and policies
19:32 Mr-Pardison yeah.
19:34 Tenplus1 hell, just for that I'd list how to jailbreak an iphone/ipad next to the download link for the ios version of minetest :))))))
19:39 IhrFussel It's absolutely terrible to hear that only roughly 1/3 of my playerbase is actually playing with a recent client
19:39 Mr-Pardison I use the latest version available for the device I'm using.
19:40 Tenplus1 0.4.16 ? or 0.5 dev ?
19:40 Mr-Pardison 0.4.16
19:40 IhrFussel I'm guessing protocol version 27 is 0.4.14 ... then 250 use 0.4.15
19:41 Tenplus1 kewl, 0.4.16 (sep 17th) here...   latest before player model changes
19:41 IhrFussel And almost as many (220) use 0.4.13 ... over one hundred still use 0.4.11
19:42 Tenplus1 sooo out of date...  am surprised their clients function properly with newer mods
19:43 IhrFussel Well they don't...at least not if the issue with the skin is the MT version
19:43 Tenplus1 yeah, and I'm sure it's a rogue client that's causing server crashes with the serialize.h error we experience at times...
19:43 * Shara pokes head in
19:43 Shara Hello :)
19:43 Mr-Pardison hi
19:43 IhrFussel I had quite a few players complaining recently about "glitched skins" but I thought it's probably just a corrupt cache folder
19:43 * Tenplus1 offers shara tea n donut
19:43 Shara Just what I need, thank you :)
19:44 Tenplus1 om nom nom
19:44 Mr-Pardison ^ name of character in cut the rope
19:44 Mr-Pardison well, without the extra nom at the end
19:44 Shara Tenplus1: you are still getting those crashes?
19:45 Tenplus1 bubbles ?
19:45 Tenplus1 it happens from time to time, nowhere near as often as most of the mods we run have been bulletproofed with nil checks
19:45 Tenplus1 but if a rogue client can reset an entity data it'd happen
19:46 IhrFussel Well I still experience segfaults regularly...well more like randomly and it's always caused by Server::SendMovePlayer() in cpp
19:46 Shara Can clients do that?
19:47 Tenplus1 ooooold clients could be to blame...
19:48 Mr-Pardison can't you force them to use a newer client by not supporting the older ones?
19:48 Shara Mr P, I don't know, can you? :P
19:48 * Mr-Pardison thinks
19:49 Shara 0.5 will stop older clients
19:49 Tenplus1 I could force them to use newer version but by doing so most ppl wouldnt be able to connect
19:49 Tenplus1 yeah, am so eager for 0.5 stable... then they MUST use that to play
19:49 Mr-Pardison will most definitely upgrade to that when it comes out.
19:50 Tenplus1 same, will urge players to use it... but... in installing that they can no longer connect to any other servers
19:50 Tenplus1 that are below 0.5
19:50 Mr-Pardison yeah....
19:50 Mr-Pardison the things we must sacrifice for progress
19:51 Tenplus1 true... will lose many players in the update, but for stability's sake it'll be worth it (and hopefully csm will be fixed/secure also)
19:51 paramat surely a server can set a minimum protocol number to limit how old clients can be?
19:52 Tenplus1 strict_protocol_version_checking = true  ... sets it to the current version running on server and above
19:52 Shara paramat: I suspect it's possible but not sure how easy, and the one who actually want to make problem will get around it.
19:52 Shara ones*
19:53 Shara Tenplus1: Is that a minetest.conf option?
19:53 Tenplus1 but...  xanadu runs 0.4.16 (sep 17th) version, juist above stable that fixes a few issues...  this would make it so anyone running stable couldnt connect
19:53 Tenplus1 yeah shara
19:53 Shara It's problematic either way.
19:53 Tenplus1 if you run 0.4.16 stable and set that flag to true in minetest.conf then players would require that version to connect
19:53 Shara What if you want to allow however many versions back, but not before that?
19:54 Tenplus1 you cant... it only allows the version that the server is running and above
19:54 Tenplus1 nothing else will let you allow/disallow other versions
19:54 Shara So no flexibility then
19:54 Tenplus1 nope... sadly
19:55 Shara The moment any server owner says "stable only", a whole bunch of players will be lost
19:55 Tenplus1 yep, and mosty of the ios clients too
19:55 Shara This is still a serious risk with 0.5
19:56 Tenplus1 yeah, 0.5 cannot connect to anything older... that's the sad part... but, it forces compliance to new features
19:56 Tenplus1 a new baseline
19:56 Shara Well thanks to what happened, I lost most new players anyway
19:56 Shara THough the players I am left with are the good ones that are worth having :)
19:57 Shara It may even make the move to 0.5 less painful in some ways, so maybe I should be thankful
19:58 Tenplus1 the map issue ?
19:58 paramat hm i expected a setting to set the minimum protocol number
19:58 Shara RC is shut to new players until backports branch has the entity PR and I have time to update
19:59 Tenplus1 entity outside map area ?
19:59 Shara Yes
19:59 paramat old clients seems to often be laziness and lack of a reason to update, it would help to encourage them to update
19:59 Tenplus1 yup... I am soooooo eager for 0.5.stable...
19:59 Tenplus1 if only we had a way to give ios an update also without having to pay them
20:00 Shara paramat: idealy new features is why people should update... not escape from problems.
20:00 paramat sfan5 is the backport guy
20:00 * Shara glances pleadingly at sfan5 then
20:00 Tenplus1 all the new map work, nodes, plantlife, bugfixes should be worth the update
20:01 Shara I'm still hoping I can update fireflies in time for 0.5 so they "turn off" during the day
20:01 paramat i added a todo in the backport thread for the 4 commits that sort out world edge stuff
20:02 IhrFussel I already said it once: As long as we don't have an official iOS app (which will likely be forever) we will not be able to help many players update...they are forced to use 3rd-party apps
20:02 Tenplus1 turn off ????  you wont see the light during the day anyhoo
20:02 Shara This already works in HW, but MTG is more complicated (because gennotify is ikky)
20:02 Shara Tenplus1: in HW the fireflies vanish in the day and return at night
20:02 Tenplus1 ohh
20:02 IhrFussel The marketshare for iDevices is huge and we cannot deliver those the *real* experience
20:03 Tenplus1 so invisible node during day
20:03 Shara Yup
20:03 Shara hidden_firefly is an airlike node
20:03 Tenplus1 IhrFussel: apple make it difficult to do an open-source game for ios cause of the money they require to host in app store
20:04 Tenplus1 Shara: kewl, kinda like the moonflower :)
20:04 Shara I wanted to ask you what your moonflower is using to update
20:04 IhrFussel I know that the Mt license is not allowed and that we would have to pay $100 yearly ... but the first problem is the biggest
20:04 Shara But I realised they don't spawen on mapgen (or do they?)
20:04 Shara spawn*
20:04 Tenplus1 a simple abm that runs every minute...  checks time of day, if night it opens flower, if day it closes :)
20:05 Shara Ewww... had thought you'd avoid ABMs :)
20:05 Tenplus1 rare item, gotta be given :) are inside lucky blocks tho
20:05 Tenplus1 this is a very slow running abm with no checks apart from tod...  no lag :)
20:05 Shara fireflies are using nodetimers
20:06 Tenplus1 :P
20:06 IhrFussel By the way are nodetimers only checked once per loading or in realtime?
20:06 Shara Checked in what sense?
20:07 IhrFussel Time check
20:07 Tenplus1 they run every tick and when time occurs it runs function
20:07 Tenplus1 are on a list for running with times involved :)
20:07 IhrFussel And that is not intensive?
20:07 IhrFussel Imagine 100 nodes loaded with nodetimers
20:08 Shara Not from what I've been told, but I'm not the best judge of that
20:08 Shara paramat ?
20:09 Tenplus1 from what I know it's a list of registered nodetimes with server time and timer running... if timer is reached it runs attached function etc.
20:09 Tenplus1 so just an if statement and a for loop
20:10 IhrFussel Yes but what's the actual nodetimer radius? Will it run for all nodes in memory? Or just send_distance nodes?
20:10 paramat erm
20:10 Tenplus1 runs for all nodes loaded within player active area
20:10 Tenplus1 sorry paramat, am prolly botching up the terminology here for how it all works...
20:10 Shara only for ones a timer has specifically been set for
20:10 paramat same radius as ABMs i think
20:11 Tenplus1 nodetimers are useful things, but sometimes a simple abm can run better imo
20:11 Shara and once it triggers, it's gone
20:11 IhrFussel Yes but the question is will it be really "lag-free" if one of my players randomly decides to horde many of them at one spot?
20:11 paramat nodetimers are less intensive than ABMs
20:12 Shara Nothign that needs to be monitored to trigger updates of some kind will be without any performance cost
20:12 Shara Nothing*
20:12 Shara It's just a case of what that cost is
20:12 IhrFussel Nodetimers should probably be added to the profiler somehow...
20:12 Shara And whether it's noticeable
20:12 IhrFussel In case they aren't yet
20:13 paramat due to player walking speed ABMs somewhat need to have an interval < 16s otherwise nodes can be missed. an ABM search is searching through all nodes in a 3 mapblock radius, that's intensive
20:14 Tenplus1 my issue is that the on_timer = function(pos, elapsed) and gives no reference to the node itself, so you need a get_node to check what it is
20:14 Tenplus1 whereas an abm will tell you what the node is and let you skip that check meaning it can be quicker
20:15 Shara why does on_timer need to know the node?
20:15 Shara surely all it needs is what you do with it
20:15 paramat and of course ABMs run whether the relevant nodes are present or not, so for fireflies ABMs would run in all the non-forest biomes, in the air, underground etc.
20:16 paramat we made a big effort in MTG to remove as many ABMs as possible
20:16 Tenplus1 think for fireflies...  if nighttime and node isnt firefly then set to firefly... if daytime and node is firefly then set to air_firefly
20:16 Tenplus1 this can be done with abm very easily...  using nodetimer needs a get_node to check
20:16 Tenplus1 so not only are you checking the node timer, you're adding a getnode into the equation where abm's already get that node in engine (faster)
20:16 paramat MTG used to be an intensive mess, much better now
20:17 Tenplus1 yeh paramat, it's a lot better... but certain functions have their uses :SD
20:17 Shara It doesn't list node in the function because you don't need it
20:18 Shara I'm not sure what the code underneath it is like, but it's not a thing you need to check when using it
20:18 Tenplus1 sometimes you need to know the state of a node inside node_timer so you can do something specific
20:18 Shara firefly and hidden_firefly are two different nodes though.. on_timer is node specific
20:19 paramat a timer is set on a node, so node doesn't need checking when it hits zero
20:20 Tenplus1 very true :P
20:20 Tenplus1 ignore me, am tired and not thinking straight... ahaha
20:20 Shara Hehe, no worries
20:20 Shara Worth following it through to be sure it's the right approach :)
20:20 * Tenplus1 makes coffee
20:21 Tenplus1 lol
20:21 Shara When the timer triggers, it's just:
20:21 Shara if minetest.get_node_light(pos) > 11 then
20:21 Shara minetest.set_node(pos, {name = "base:hidden_firefly"})
20:21 Shara Then restart the timer
20:21 Tenplus1 node specific... check time, set node
20:22 Tenplus1 ooh, wonder what's more intenstive, get_node_light or get_time ?  I see a test approaching :D
20:22 Shara Feel free to test and let me know :)
20:22 Shara Or just make a PR if time works out better. You know where the HW repo is :P
20:23 Shara Using it as a test so we can also try it in MTG if gennotify issues get worked out
20:24 Shara Oh, I actually choose light because artificial light or shadow should matter too
20:25 Shara Like if you release a bunch of them in a cave, they won't care what time it is
20:25 Tenplus1 so someone placing a torch next to firefly will make it disappear also :)
20:26 Shara Obviously ones trapped in bottles won't go away
20:26 Tenplus1 unless they are ghosts :D
20:27 IhrFussel Running minetest.get_timeofday() 50 times in a row takes 0.5 ms
20:27 Tenplus1 lol, fussel beat me to it :D ehehehe
20:27 Shara I suspect checking time is more efficient
20:27 Tenplus1 how long does minetest.get_node_light(pos) take
20:28 Shara But the saving would need to be kind of huge to make me change (due to stuff I just said)
20:28 Tenplus1 that's ok... am just curious :) nothing more
20:28 Shara I am as well :)
20:28 Tenplus1 I always like testing different ways of doing the same thing
20:29 paramat get node light has to access the database, get time is much simpler
20:30 Shara Well, for MTG you can take your pick, but personally I'd prefer them to check light
20:30 Shara Opens up much more potential for players to be creative
20:30 paramat me too
20:33 Tenplus1 having more things for players to play with is always fun :D
20:39 IhrFussel Tenplus1, Shara get_node_light actually is much faster from what I tested
20:40 IhrFussel 50 times run takes 0.1 ms
20:40 Shara Hmm, that's interesting.
20:40 paramat weird
20:40 IhrFussel But both methods are faster than the eye can see
20:41 Shara I would have thought locating the info for one specific node would have been more work than retrieving a value that is consistent for the whole server
20:41 paramat 0.5ms for 50 'get time's is a long time
20:41 Tenplus1 interesting :)) I like rogue functions... ehehe
20:42 paramat 0.5ms is a long time in code
20:42 Shara But no point guessing what's happening without checking the actual code beneath it all
20:42 IhrFussel I will test again to make sure it wasn't a CPU issue
20:44 IhrFussel Okay seems like something wasn't idle when I ran the first time... now 20x minetest.get_timeofday() takes 0.005 ms
20:44 IhrFussel 50x*
20:44 Tenplus1 ehehehe
20:45 IhrFussel And get_node_light...one sec
20:45 paramat that's better
20:46 paramat i looked at the code, it's extremely simple, gets server time, divides by 24000
20:46 IhrFussel 50x get_node_light() takes between 0.070 - 0.150 ms
20:46 Tenplus1 yeah, stored value quicker access than checking map
20:47 IhrFussel So we can safely say minetest.get_timeofday() takes max 1 ns to execute
20:49 IhrFussel On a CPU from 2010
20:55 IhrFussel Doing maths with floats in Bash is overly complicated
20:56 Tenplus1 why not use print statement in lua :P
20:56 IhrFussel It's a script that greps debug.txt regularly and calculates the avg/max lag which gets logged every minute
20:57 Tenplus1 ahh
20:58 Tenplus1 mines checks the env_meta.txt for last update :)
20:58 IhrFussel But since Bash doesn't support floats I have to use bc for each condition "if (( $(bc <<< "$num1 > $lastnum") ))"
20:58 Tenplus1 if over 1 min then it restarts server
21:00 IhrFussel sadly php does have overhead or else I could just use that... maybe python is faster than bc? But I doubt it
21:00 Tenplus1 am sure there will be faster ways of doing a check
21:01 IhrFussel #bash didn't help much...all they pretty much do is telling you a wiki link
21:02 IhrFussel I wonder why Bash doesn't know floats...is it too old or did the devs just think "not needed"??
21:04 Tenplus1 IhrFussel: did you try:    int=${float%.*}
21:04 Mr-Pardison g2g cya
21:04 Tenplus1 float=1.23
21:04 Tenplus1 cya mister
21:06 IhrFussel Tenplus1, 1 xP
21:06 Tenplus1 :)
21:07 IhrFussel 999x bc takes 3.7 secs?? Can that be real?
21:08 IhrFussel That sounds super slow
21:08 Tenplus1 what's that for ?
21:08 IhrFussel I just did time for ((i=0;i<999;i++)); do echo "$(bc <<< "1+0.1")"; done for testing its speed
21:09 Tenplus1 run using xterm... might be quicker :)
21:09 Tenplus1 bash isnt the fastest tbh
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21:10 Tenplus1 hi twoelk
21:10 IhrFussel Lua takes 18 ms for the same task
21:10 twoelk o/
21:10 Tenplus1 lua is much faster than bash :P
21:10 twoelk greetings from the freezing kontinent
21:11 IhrFussel But I need my values as shell scripts >.<
21:11 IhrFussel And I guess if I call lua 999 times from bash it will also be slow
21:12 Tenplus1 any reason you call it 999 times ?
21:12 Tenplus1 twoelk: what's the temp ?
21:12 twoelk rumors have it approaching -10 at the moment
21:13 Tenplus1 oof, it's -2 here just now but snow stormin'
21:13 twoelk nice closed blanket of some 10cm of snow where I live
21:14 Shara Still no snow here :(
21:14 twoelk at least the last time I looked outside I coild still see the car
21:14 IhrFussel Tenplus1, the lag lines my script checks will be more than 999 ... imagine the server logs the current avg lag/max lag of the recent minute every minute to debug.txt and my script will run every few hours and get all those recent lag value lines and then compares the floats in them ... calling lua from Bash seems to be faster than bc ... 2.3 secs vs 3.7 secs
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21:15 Tenplus1 o/ Fixer
21:16 Fixer hi
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21:16 twoelk good thing that tardis is in a glass case - or else I couldn't resist to take it :D
21:16 Tenplus1 hi lumberJ
21:16 lumberJ hey Tenplus1
21:16 Tenplus1 lol twoelk
21:17 Tenplus1 ooh, asus tinkerboard S is out soon, looks amazing for mt server setup (low power) with gigabit ethernet
21:19 Tenplus1 nite folks o/
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21:26 IhrFussel Really sad how people sometimes choose easy-to-guess passwords..... just now someone wants to have it as "david"
21:27 IhrFussel It's "password" not "first name"
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22:20 Megaf 2018-02-27 21:34:10: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'moretrees' in callback node_on_timer(): ...erver/BinMegafServer/bin/../m​ods/moretrees/date_palm.lua:235: find_nodes_in_area(): area volume exceeds allowed value of 551368
22:20 Megaf paramat: is that fixed yet?
22:21 Megaf that's the only crash I have been having
22:27 paramat fixed in engine
22:28 Megaf paramat: backported to 0.4 already?
22:28 Megaf I saw there was PR
22:28 paramat and in todo for backporting to 0.4.17
22:29 paramat sfan-5 is the backport person
22:32 paramat easy fix in moretrees mod though
22:32 paramat reduce the parameter 'date palm polination distance'
22:35 paramat halving it should work
22:36 paramat no wonder moretrees is slow, date palms search a 5 mapchunk volume before being placed :]
22:37 Shara paramat: version of moretrees I used didn't have date palms, but was still a major problem on RC
22:38 Shara Removing the trees from mapgen was one of the biggest improvements that server ever saw
22:38 twoelk sadly
22:39 twoelk 'cause I love the landscape moretrees creates
22:39 paramat yes the other trees might do similar searches
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22:39 Shara I like them as well... bbut I want me server to actually work
22:39 Shara And this way players can still plant them
22:39 paramat need a light version
22:40 paramat ah good idea
22:40 Shara There's many mods that need a light version.
22:41 paramat all that is needed for mapgen is the saplings as registered decorations, located in suitable biomes
22:41 tumeninodes light versions... with ads... and offer deals for full bloated versions ; )
22:42 paramat moretrees was written for mgv6 before we had the biome API
22:42 Shara Back then I didn't know enough about modding to really dig in and fix it
22:42 Shara I was learning as I went... found deleting thos ebits did the job
22:43 tumeninodes no one wants to tackle any of the older, out-of-control big mods now
22:43 Shara Now I could probably fix it, but there's so many other things to work on as well :)
22:44 Shara I did do a lot of tidying up for riventest, but I think mine is the only public server using it now
22:44 tumeninodes just add patches and aliases, atop of one another
22:45 tumeninodes I stole (I mean "borrowed") from riventest when I did my first blunder "artdeco"
22:45 * Shara likes commenting out huge chunks of mods because "a creative server doesn't need that stuff"
22:46 twoelk there was/is a french server that used a "complete" moretrees - it looked lovely - but I guess VEC and VES also use it - of course
22:47 Shara I actually hav ea copy of a mod somewhere (or I really, really hope I still have it)... that has actual models for trees. It looks amazing
22:48 twoelk riventest (sigh) guess I sort of miss mauvebic and his servers, always with some mods only he had
22:51 paramat i really liked mauvebic, quite a character
22:52 Shara I can't find that mod :(
22:57 twoelk yeah, was fun talking to him
23:01 twoelk https://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:Nature <- lots of trees
23:01 Shara This mod was never anywhere public... sadly I think I had the only copy
23:02 twoelk maybe the mesh trees of EpicNode? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=50&amp;t=13758
23:02 Shara It was made by one of my moderators... his first mod. He didn't publish it anywhere.
23:03 twoelk ah
23:04 twoelk I once stole some WOW trees and plugged them into minetest - didn't look as epic as I had hoped
23:04 Shara These things were something.
23:05 Shara Would have never worked on a server as they were... Really big files, but I'd love to have seen him develop it.
23:05 * twoelk wonders where his milkshape viewer went
23:07 twoelk oh well, time to attempt to get home,  bye
23:07 Shara See you :)
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23:08 * tumeninodes has toyed around with epic nodes
23:26 tumeninodes do I smell or something tonight? :P
23:32 Wayward_One Lol
23:32 * Wayward_One peeks in
23:33 * Shara tries to make the peg on her nose less obvious
23:33 Shara No tumeninodes, you don't smell at all.
23:33 Wayward_One xD
23:36 tumeninodes actually, I do... but that is not important
23:40 Megaf well, I manage to reduce my max lag from 30+ seconds to 3 seconds
23:43 Wayward_One That's a pretty big improvement
23:45 Megaf Thomas-S: mate, streets could do with some improvements. Streets 1 didnt cause any lag, streets 2 is crashing clients on join and causing 30+ seconds of lag in servers
23:45 Megaf =/
23:45 Megaf Which is a shame, because is such a fantast mod
23:47 Megaf !server Megaf
23:47 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms
23:47 Megaf fantstic I mean

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