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00:17 Fixer *,,,,*
00:26 rubenwardy added a shit explanation of patterns to https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_boo​k/en/chapters/chat.html#complex-subcommands
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01:30 Guest54705 I am getting spam posted to my irc channel about Shara, red, and others....anyone know why someone would do that?  I haven't been around a lot letely...been working a lot.
01:31 rubenwardy just ban them
01:31 rubenwardy and do /umode +R to stop PMs from unregistered users
01:31 Shara I assume Guest54705 = unk?
01:31 rubenwardy yeah, they're logged in as them
01:31 Guest54705 this is unk by  the way...sorry about that
01:31 Shara Fix your name :P
01:31 Shara And ban them
01:31 Shara And please send me a copy
01:32 Guest54705 can't....nickserver won't let me change my nick for a while due to not logging in correctly...should fix in a bit...will cc you the info Shara...hello by the way:)
01:33 Guest54705 <Guest_6573> Shara, red-001: (1) I told Craig Robbins the truth. I'm the best there's ever been. Where is Craig, these days, BTW? :) (2) Read the pending Sofar document. Attorney is going up Auke Kok's *ssumptions. (3) Tell VanessaE: Arion was sympathetic. As other host was when Red tried it last year. I get copies and I respond in detail. (4) red-001: Kappelin
01:33 Guest54705 <Guest_6573>  wants to be friends. Come and visit his hardware again. (5) Jordach (who is Shara): Why have you broken what you loved best? (6) Tell Andrew: Vanessa will pass away from natural causes, but he and I will have a decade to work things out IRL. http://aukejan.com/ http://minetest.org/ (7) Go to YouTube and listen to "Devil Went Down to Georgia".
01:33 Shara Don't paste it here please
01:33 rubenwardy err, pls don't paste it here
01:33 Shara No need to give him another platform for this
01:33 Guest54705 sorry rubenwardy ...thought I pm'd it to Shara....sorry
01:33 VanessaE Guest54705: that's just oldcoder bullshit
01:34 VanessaE log it and ignore it.
01:34 Guest54705 ok...I will delete it and ignore it then.
01:34 Shara Save a log for your records, beyond that don't respond and just ban
01:34 VanessaE yes, do kee it in your logs.
01:35 Guest54705 ok...I am sorry for posting it here.
01:35 VanessaE keep*
01:35 VanessaE also,
01:36 VanessaE set your channel to +r (only reg'd nicks can chat) or +m (need 'voice' to chat)
01:47 Guest54705 will do VanessaE ....thanks
01:49 VanessaE and set your /umode to +R (only reg'd users can /msg you) also
01:50 VanessaE but maybe first you ought to switch to and register your nick :P
01:51 Sokomine xerox123: the circular saw in stairsplus is more current. my mod was the original. it was then adapted by calinou and included since then in moreblocks
01:52 Sokomine xerox123: i'm still working on color support for hardware coloring. it can be down with the saw. trouble is that palette indices need to be translated (shaped nodes can only store 8 colors; full blocks 256). i havn't found a good automatic way for that yet
02:03 Guest54705 Thanks for the info Sokomine ....will keep a log of the messages as suggested and ignore them going forward.
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12:27 red-045 so may quits and joins
12:27 red-045 many*
12:27 * red-045 can't type today
12:31 Calinou netsplit
12:31 red-001 seems to be happening a lot recently
12:33 red-001 +R is better since it blocks spammers from being able to get a user list
12:33 red-001 unk, ^
12:34 red-001 s/R/r
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14:54 benrob0329 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=3&amp;t=18636&amp;view=unread#unread
14:54 benrob0329 >proprietary platform for an open source project
14:55 xerox123 HOMETOWN has a discord server too
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14:57 benrob0329 I mean, sure most IRC clients aren't very pretty, but there are other platforms than discord for this crap
15:01 red-001 !title
15:01 MinetestBot red-001: Unofficial Minetest Discord! - Minetest Forums
15:02 red-001 benrob0329, are there?
15:02 benrob0329 red-001: I dont use discord
15:03 benrob0329 Dont like the reputation of the creator, or their policies
15:03 red-001 like?
15:04 red-001 you mean they way they are pretty ok with nazis using thier platform? Or is there more then just that?
15:06 benrob0329 red-001: creators previous project: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint
15:06 benrob0329 "In 2011, OpenFeint was party to a class action suit with allegations including computer fraud, invasion of privacy, breach of contract, bad faith and seven other statutory violations."
15:10 benrob0329 But also, on top of a bad reputation https://discordapp.com/terms
15:10 benrob0329 "By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service."
15:10 benrob0329 I just dont feel comfortable using it.
15:11 Flitzpiepe what about mumble?
15:12 benrob0329 Mumble is self hosted
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15:19 Flitzpiepe ah ok
15:32 Fixer SSD \o/
15:54 celeron55 something bad will probably happen to discord at some point; that's what always happens to proprietary things
15:56 benrob0329 celeron55: agreed
15:56 celeron55 technically it's kind of impressive altough i don't consider anything fully impressive unless they allow connections from IRC clients, which discord does not do
15:57 celeron55 even then, something bad would happen to it anyway
15:59 celeron55 irc networks are independent from each others
15:59 celeron55 that's enough decentralization no matter how they work
16:00 Fuchs there is no such thing as global opers, only some networks, like freenode, have network-wide opers.
16:00 Fuchs (which makes sense)
16:00 benrob0329 Fuchs: that makes sense
16:01 lisac #7069
16:01 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7069 -- [WIP] Add minetest.register_on_moveplayer by lisacvuk
16:01 Fuchs as with regards to discord: quite a lot of communities slowly turn away from IRC as it is indeed a bit dated, unfortunately the alternatives all either suck, are proprietary or both
16:02 benrob0329 Fuchs: but IRC continues to become less dated with time
16:02 Fuchs could be fixed, some communities  (e.g. IRCv3 and KDE with Konvi) are trying to fix it, but this will take time, and due to how the protocol is "specified" not everything will be possible
16:02 benrob0329 IRCv3, IRCCloud
16:02 Fuchs benrob0329: hard to add some fancy features without breaking compatibility, even harder to have some things  (e.g. uploading files) given how IRC works (most networks are volunteer operated, they do not really have the power to serve and trade huge amount of files)
16:03 benrob0329 Heck KvIRC has had VoIP for a long time
16:03 benrob0329 Fuchs: file uploads can use another service
16:03 Fuchs yes, we had a lunch with IRCv3, IRCCloud, Kiwi and other folks at freenode live. Things happen, but they happen slowly.
16:03 benrob0329 I'd rather them be done right, than done quickly
16:04 Fuchs agreed, but in the meantime some communities will move off.
16:04 benrob0329 And they can, I just won't move with them
16:05 benrob0329 I've used a lot of chat systems, IRC seems to be the only one that just works, and will likely continue to just work
16:05 Fuchs https://xkcd.com/1782/
16:07 xerox123 you can kill a platform but not a protocol
16:07 xerox123 Id like to think
16:07 Fuchs well, technically the protocol becomes a bit dead when it is no longer used by anyone, but yes.
16:09 xerox123 yeah with time everything will eventually go out of use, but those in charge of discord and just flip the metaphorical switch and it's dead. good luck getting everyone to quit IRC
16:09 xerox123 s/and just/can just/
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16:27 Fixer discord looks like is on initial "lure" investment phase, just wait a little ;)
16:28 Calinou <celeron55> something bad will probably happen to discord at some point; that's what always happens to proprietary things
16:28 Calinou this ^
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16:30 Calinou people paying for animated avatars and custom emoji will only bring them so far :P
16:32 benrob0329 Calinou: remind me again why people pay for that
16:32 Calinou it looks l33t to them
16:33 * benrob0329 thinks that a metadata field could be added for custom emojis, similar to how Avatars are planned
16:33 sfan5 >avatars on irc
16:33 sfan5 no thanks
16:34 benrob0329 sfan5: you dont have to have them
16:34 benrob0329 But clients that do should have the option
16:35 red-001 yeah discord seems to be trying to milk investors right now
16:35 sfan5 also there's lots of command line / text-only IRC clients, so features like these would just not work at all for lots of people
16:35 Calinou to be fair, most people wish there was offline messaging on IRC above anything else
16:35 Calinou (without using a bouncer)
16:35 benrob0329 sfan5: its an optional feature, everyone knows there are terminal clients
16:36 sfan5 I guess people that use text-only clients would not want those anyway
16:36 red-001 one day someone will write a good terminal emulator that can handle copy and pasting
16:36 red-001 one day
16:36 benrob0329 Calinou: my IRC server has optional channel history :P
16:36 sfan5 yours can't handle copy-paste?
16:37 Calinou it's usually Ctrl+Shift+C
16:37 Calinou (and Ctrl+Shift+V or Shift+Insert)
16:38 red-001 ah that worked, too bad it wasn't documented anywhere
16:39 benrob0329 red-001: its a standard shortcut
16:40 red-001 wouldn't hurt anyone to also document it in the standard way in the context menu
16:43 benrob0329 Most terminals do afaik
16:44 red-001 not the xfce4 one it seems
16:50 red-001 oh I guess I was too harsh on it, it does document it, just in a different menu that I never bothered to check or forgot about
16:55 Megaf [16:05:15] <benrob0329> I've used a lot of chat systems, IRC seems to be the only one that just works, and will likely continue to just work
16:55 Megaf agreed
16:55 xerox123 hexchat has a highlight-to-copy feature
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18:24 IhrFussel I find it *highly* questionable to run a server and say "I have no time to moderate it and there are no moderators, so players will have to help each other"
18:25 IhrFussel Sure...let's help the player who's griefing by...griefing back?
18:25 IhrFussel who's being griefed*
18:27 IhrFussel Also the server thread states that a "script" will automatically "check" what players did once per day and "decide" whether or not to punish them
18:28 IhrFussel Computers are not smart enough (yet) to have a real brain, don't trust your scripts with something like that
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18:30 IhrFussel I would never play on a server where a auto-script decides what my behavior is like
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18:41 paramat well :) servers can be how they want to be, and have incompetant script moderation if they want, no player is forced to join
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18:58 benrob0329 >auto moderation
18:58 benrob0329 Its Twitter and YouTube, oh no
18:58 Krock >not checking logs
18:59 Krock IhrFussel, that's one of the reasons why serious players have to chose their servers carefully
19:01 Krock my all-time favourite (sarcasm alert) is a mod that acts like a bot, kicking players for bad words instead of muting the messages or getting triggered by "shit" or "damn it" to respond the player with a long useless line about how rude they are
19:04 benrob0329 New mod idea: intelligence
19:05 benrob0329 The more you swear, the lower your IQ points :^)
19:05 Krock oh shit. I wouldn't survive that
19:06 benrob0329 Lol
19:06 benrob0329 IQ: -20
19:06 Krock and raise the IQ points by using "delicate", "decent", "extraordinary" etc
19:06 benrob0329 Big words
19:06 Krock supercalifragilisticexpialigetic
19:06 Krock IQ += 200
19:07 Wayward_One and calling people "sir" and "madam"
19:07 Wayward_One hi all btw :P
19:07 Krock hello sir
19:07 benrob0329 Hello madam
19:08 Wayward_One xD
19:08 Krock Wayward_One, believe it or not. My favourite twitch streamer uses "sir" when thanking for the subscriptions
19:08 Krock .. or when he gets money from them
19:09 Wayward_One lol nice
19:09 Megaf [19:07:05] <Wayward_One> and calling people "sir" and "madam"
19:09 * Megaf likes that idea
19:10 Megaf Greetings gentlemen
19:10 Megaf I could tart that trend here, shall we?
19:10 Megaf we*
19:10 Megaf We could be the politest FOSS community on the web
19:12 benrob0329 Indeed, good sir
19:13 Megaf I would like you to know, that I have started a clean up in my humble server. Removing mods that I no longer consider relevant.
19:13 benrob0329 We shall climb out of our barbaric roots of foul word and into a new light of politeness.
19:13 benrob0329 *words
19:13 Megaf I could not agree more gentleman
19:14 benrob0329 Exquisite
19:14 Megaf Now, if you allow me, I shall leave for a couple of minutes. It is time for me to apreciate some cooking.
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19:36 rubenwardy just banned 7 players for spamming / swearing
19:36 rubenwardy fun fu
19:36 rubenwardy :/
19:48 Megaf benrob0329: I just made myself some absolutely brilliant fries, topped with Irish Vintage Mature Cheddar Cheese
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19:58 Calinou rubenwardy: "fun fu" → "fun f*** you?" :D
20:04 benrob0329 Megaf: That sound brilliantly splendid
20:06 Fixer *,,,,*
20:35 rubenwardy fun fact: CTF generates around 4KBps of logs
20:36 Megaf No wonder with so many broken ilegal mobile clients connected to it
20:36 Megaf Check mate sir
20:36 rubenwardy ah, now it's 4KBps
20:36 rubenwardy that's 172MB per day
20:36 rubenwardy * now it's 2KBps
20:50 benrob0329 rubenwardy: better have some log rotation
20:50 rubenwardy just cleared the logs
20:50 rubenwardy it was 5GB
20:54 Fixer *,,,,,*
20:54 sfan5 well
20:54 sfan5 the serverlist nginx logs were 50GB before I manually rotated them
20:55 rubenwardy lol
20:55 rubenwardy why don't you have auto rotation on?
20:55 sfan5 my nginx install isn't from the distro package, so it's not built in
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21:20 Grandolf hi
21:20 Grandolf how to do i increase the max number of registered nodes?
21:20 sfan5 you don't
21:21 IhrFussel It's crazy how much traffic MT can cause... 1.2 TB this month for me
21:21 IhrFussel Up to 3 GB per 30 minutes
21:30 Fixer IhrFussel: are you using sofar's CDN?
21:31 IhrFussel Nope, cause most mods I use are custom ones of the "real" ones
21:32 red-001 are you using an external media server at all?
21:47 Fixer firefox <57 on SSD literally loads for 10+ seconds, insane
21:49 IhrFussel red-001, nope
21:50 IhrFussel But 1 TB is still fine...I think the hoster will limit my bandwith after 20 TB
21:56 lisac Fixer: having a pretty budget PC, I'm not sure if you are saying it's fast, or it's slow
21:57 Fixer lisac: firefox is slow AF, with my 5000+ bookmarks, scrapbook, addons, 57 one loads faster
21:57 lisac Fixer: I store my bookmarks in a text file :O
21:57 lisac nah, I switched to bookmarks a month or so ago
21:57 lisac got only Ublock Origin installed
21:58 Fixer my bookmarks as old as 14+ years
21:58 lisac IhrFussel: is that on your website (http://ihrfussels-server.tk/humancheck.php) a captcha?
21:59 lisac Fixer: that is almost older than me
21:59 Fixer .________.
21:59 lisac :P
21:59 lisac almost.
22:00 IhrFussel Just a way to exclude most bots, but since the ingame chat is only displayed to those who are logged in now I could remove the check
22:02 rubenwardy that's a pretty shit captcha
22:02 lisac rubenwardy: my opinion too
22:02 lisac I mean, it's machine readable
22:02 rubenwardy exactly
22:02 rubenwardy you also have invalid HTML
22:03 rubenwardy lol
22:03 rubenwardy looks a bit over engineered
22:03 lisac (at least the password isn't stored in the cookies)
22:04 IhrFussel Most bots don't understand JS so that's why I chose that to generate a random number
22:05 rubenwardy well, you have the same level of protection as asking a fixed question
22:05 rubenwardy a competent programmer could write a bot to get past it
22:05 rubenwardy but random bots won't be able to
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22:05 IhrFussel Like I said I don't really need it anymore...all the bots who visit it can see is the online info
22:05 lisac I think you could even do it in autohotkey
22:06 IhrFussel bots that visit it*
22:06 rubenwardy you don't even need JS
22:06 rubenwardy do 3000/speed - 1
22:06 rubenwardy where speed can be found by reading the raw HTML
22:08 Fixer and this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ
22:09 IhrFussel Removed
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22:21 red-045 oh yeah I was going to point that out to you
22:22 red-045 IhrFussel: why don't you use the domain name for the server list?
22:23 sofar IhrFussel: even with custom mods, using the public remote media server will help your server and players a lot
22:24 sofar unless you've literally reskinned every texture in your game and have zero unmodified ones, you're better off
22:31 IhrFussel red-045, cause the domain is just a .tk one... I have to renew it every month and in case I forget I still want my players to be able to connect
22:32 red-045 well I suppose those are the joys of having something for free
22:33 rubenwardy ew .tk
22:33 rubenwardy you spend loads on a VPS
22:33 rubenwardy or w/e
22:33 rubenwardy domains are cheap
22:34 red-045 yeah why not get a paid domain name, makes life easier if you ever want to move providers
22:41 Fixer thinking on how to merge two partitions into one by finding extra 200gb of space http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima​ges/original/001/292/906/c4a.gif
22:44 Calinou you could get a free subdomain from https://nsupdate.info/
22:45 Calinou so that you don't have a .tk
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23:40 * rubenwardy installs #6219 on his private server
23:40 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6219 -- Server side movement by bendeutsch
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