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00:03 Peppy hey sofar, i hope I'll soon be able to spend some time to finish the box i told you ;)
00:31 rubenwardy https://soil.rubenwardy.com/​en/chapters/environment.html
00:31 rubenwardy !title
00:31 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Basic Map Operations - Minetest Modding Book
00:49 Sokomine Peppy: hope it's not another one of these jumping boxes
00:54 Peppy No it's not.
00:54 Peppy I started this one a long time ago and found out I couldn't use teleports. So, re-doing almost everything takes time.
00:56 Sokomine ah. looking forward to your box then
00:57 Peppy just be patient :D
00:59 Peppy anyway, i guess teleports would be a great feature...
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09:22 Tenplus1 hi folks
09:23 VanessaE hi
09:23 Tenplus1 hi Vanessa
09:37 Tenplus1 Q. if I enabled floatlands with the exact same biomes woudl it mirror the 0-level biomes ?
10:04 CWz ello
10:05 Tenplus1 hi CWz
10:14 shivajiva Morning CWz, tenplus
10:15 Tenplus1 hi shiva
10:15 CWz Noon for me
10:15 shivajiva Hi noon
10:15 CWz floatylands
10:15 Tenplus1 CWz lives in the future
10:39 CWz in build 0.5.7 we will finally get coloured lighting
10:39 Tenplus1 what, where, how ?
10:39 CWz #livesinthefuture
10:40 CWz But it will be a while before it is stable
10:41 * Tenplus1 just wants 0.5 stable to start testing with...
10:41 CWz we will also have over 1000 servers
10:41 CWz 4 new devs
10:41 CWz and HTML6 will be out
10:41 Tenplus1 lolol
10:42 CWz Microsoft will descontiue windows
10:42 CWz Since PCs will fall into disuse.
10:42 Tenplus1 nuuuuuuuuu, I like my pc
10:42 rubenwardy we'd probably get 4 new devs way before then
10:43 Tenplus1 hi ruben
10:43 rubenwardy hey
10:58 Wayward_One hi all :)
10:58 Tenplus1 hi wayward
10:58 Tenplus1 saw your mac minetest vid
10:59 Wayward_One nice :)
10:59 Tenplus1 so long as they run mt servers it's all good :P
11:01 Wayward_One lol yep
11:02 Tenplus1 am watching clips from Love2D lua engine and it looks like it would add a LOT of functionality to Mt if it were implemented :D
11:03 Megaf Hi Tenplus1
11:03 Tenplus1 hi Megaf
11:04 CWz what minetest mac vid
11:05 Tenplus1 CWz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlTKJYBBj8k
11:07 CWz I see my server on the server list in the video, thanks for advert mr Wayward
11:08 CWz A free bacon winner is you!
11:08 Megaf bacon winner, hum
11:08 Tenplus1 eheheh
11:08 Wayward_One Lol no problem :P
11:08 Megaf I shall pass that
11:08 Megaf !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW70dL5430c
11:08 MinetestBot Megaf: 3D Printed Nitro Engine Plastic Connecting Rod - YouTube
11:08 Megaf I rather have one of those
11:09 CWz and the Iso Phorks Phecken suck it seemz
11:09 CWz *IOS
11:11 Tenplus1 I dont like the ads that appear in-game tho for those mac clones
11:12 CWz one of seems to force you to pay to join servers
11:12 Tenplus1 yeah, the  coin setup where ads = coinage... pah!
11:12 Wayward_One Lol yeah
11:13 Tenplus1 I've been looking at basic_machines vs technic and wondering which would be easier for noobs and better for server usage
11:14 Wayward_One CWz, that was actually my own server it was trying to get me to pay for xD
11:14 Tenplus1 lol
11:15 CWz Tenplus1, the answer is neither they too effin stupid to use either
11:15 Tenplus1 heh, oh well :P
11:15 CWz also Wayward_One was there a banaland?
11:15 * Tenplus1 saw banana land
11:16 Wayward_One Yeah
11:16 CWz in the pay to play one
11:16 CWz ?
11:17 Wayward_One Yeah, they both connect to Minetest servers
11:17 CWz shit which means i am going have to update my motd
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11:23 Tenplus1 o/ fixer
11:26 CWz I wonder if it remembers what "servers" you payed for
11:28 CWz Wayward_One, what is the name of the 2nd fork?
11:29 CWz hmm if there is a snake mobs, i think we should also have a plane biome mod and have the snakes spawn there
11:29 CWz *aeroplane
11:29 Tenplus1 aha yeah...  is that the one ExeterDad has done ?
11:32 CWz my internet is stupidly slow
11:34 Tenplus1 what speed ya got ?
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11:39 Tenplus1 CWz: you on windows ?
11:39 CWz linux, normally my internet is faster than this
11:40 Tenplus1 maybe work in your area
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11:41 Tenplus1 hi raven
11:41 Raven262 Hi ten
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11:44 Tenplus1 hi lumber
11:47 lumberJ hey Tenplus1, hows it going?
11:48 Tenplus1 good ta, looking into love2d engine to see how well it would make minetest animated formspecs :D
11:58 lumberJ hm, thats an interesting idea
11:58 lumberJ i like love 2d from the little i have played with it
11:58 lumberJ never occurred to me that it might be able to be used within minetest
11:58 Wayward_One CWz, the first one was Multicraft (not the one from MoNTE48, which is printed as Multi Craft) and the second was Exploration
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12:26 Tenplus1 wb
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12:39 paramat Tenplus1  i'll tell about floatland biomes in a few mins
12:39 Tenplus1 hi paramat
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12:49 Tenplus1 hi lisac
12:49 lisac hey Tenplus1
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12:56 Tenplus1 wb lumber
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12:58 Tenplus1 hi sniper
13:00 lumberJ thanks, Tenplus1
13:02 paramat Tenplus1 answer is yes, float biomes will have the same XZ distribution if their heat/humidity points are identical
13:02 Tenplus1 w00t, so if I make a portal to floatlands on an island hthe player will spawn on same landmass instead of mid air ?
13:03 sniper338 Ohayo Tenplus1! ಠ‿↼
13:03 Tenplus1 o/
13:03 paramat on the same biome yes if XZ are the same
13:03 Tenplus1 kewl, thanks paramat :)))
13:03 paramat if you want to add floatland biomes to a biome system of your own i can tell you how
13:03 Tenplus1 am looking into a new-style Ethereal mod where the ethereal biomes are using floatlands instead of default...
13:05 paramat you will need to register a duplicate set of all biomes for the floatlands and set y limits carefully
13:05 Tenplus1 yeah, and removal of water :)
13:05 paramat no, ocean biomes are needed for floatlands
13:06 Tenplus1 even better :)   although I will have to think of some new mobs to add for floatlands :D
13:06 paramat if you do this let me know and i'll explain in detail
13:06 Tenplus1 default biomes are so well done I dont wanna remove/replace them
13:07 Tenplus1 so floatlands with some mysterious coloured dirt/tree's etc sounds better
13:07 paramat ah good idea
13:08 Tenplus1 also am gonna limit mod generation for animals to a height limit of 80
13:08 paramat in MTG we need some dedicated special biomes for the floatlands, the current ones are just a placeholder / example
13:08 Tenplus1 is kinda weird having a cow appear otop a mountain :D  maybe a goat tho :D
13:12 Tenplus1 how's the different stone types coming along ?
13:19 paramat early discussion
13:19 Tenplus1 caves would look a lot more colourful :) am all for it
13:21 Tenplus1 still would like to see silver appear as an ore though, can be used for many kewl things :)
13:24 paramat we're being more careful about adding new ores now =)
13:24 Tenplus1 just thinking since we already have gold, silver would be worthy for currency also
13:25 Tenplus1 also alloys, batteries, glass coating, chips, medicine, nuclear mods, photography items, solar, chips etc... it's a widely used metal
13:25 paramat it's possible
13:26 Tenplus1 mithril not so much as it's a LOTR metal... and we already have mese :)  but silver is useful and wanted
13:28 paramat we've ruled out mithril
13:28 Tenplus1 heh
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13:29 Tenplus1 hi mister
13:29 Mr_Pardison 'ello
13:29 Mr_Pardison quick question for you.
13:29 Tenplus1 ?
13:29 Mr_Pardison are there any differences between Ethereal and Ethereal NG?
13:30 Tenplus1 yes, ethereal is the older 0.4.13 and below edition that was started by ChinChow and taken over by myself
13:30 Mr_Pardison ah.
13:30 Tenplus1 Ethereal NG is the newer 0.4.16+ edition with new features and better functions added
13:31 Tenplus1 also ethereal forum page is still under chinchow's control :) ng is under my own
13:31 Mr_Pardison got it.
13:31 Mr_Pardison thanks.
13:31 Tenplus1 np
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13:36 Tenplus1 wb CWz
13:36 Tenplus1 what isp are you with dude ? they need a telling off :P
13:37 Mr_Pardison occasionally, every isp might need that
13:38 Tenplus1 yeah, they increase prices but don't improve service
13:38 Mr_Pardison unless they provide you solid constant high speed connections
13:40 Tenplus1 I'll give VirginMedia credit, they do deliver stable speeds but they keep trying to increase prices which isn't nice
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13:40 Tenplus1 hi thomas
13:41 ThomasMonroe O_O
13:41 ThomasMonroe a CAPITAL T!?!?!?!!?!?
13:41 ThomasMonroe :O
13:42 Tenplus1 hi Thomas  <-- with capital
13:42 Mr_Pardison shocking, isn't it?
13:42 VanessaE yeah, he's ten-minus-31 now :P
13:42 Mr_Pardison lol
13:42 Tenplus1 nooooo, am getting younger....  *benjamin button mode activate*
13:43 VanessaE lol
13:43 Tenplus1 ooh paramat, how about adding gold/silver nuggets also for currency bits :D
13:43 Tenplus1 and of course future potions :DDDD
13:43 Mr_Pardison nuggets?
13:43 Mr_Pardison they sound tooth-breaking when eaten.
13:43 Tenplus1 1x gold ingot = 9x gold nuggets (like coins)
13:44 VanessaE better strips or slips :P
13:44 Mr_Pardison IOU's
13:44 VanessaE a nugget is after all gold in its native form :)
13:44 Tenplus1 isnt that a lump ?
13:44 Tenplus1 :P
13:44 ThomasMonroe how about gold leaf Ten? :P
13:45 VanessaE well it is in MT
13:45 Tenplus1 1x nugget put into compressor/presser :D
13:45 VanessaE but in the real world, a nugget is what you find when mining for gold
13:45 Mr_Pardison yup
13:45 Tenplus1 weirdly I kinda like how Mc handles ore... dig the actual ore block, smelt and give ingot... no nuggets involved
13:48 Mr_Pardison Tenplus1: as far as I know, the compressor is only in technic.
13:49 Tenplus1 technic really needs a redo
13:49 Mr_Pardison in what parts?
13:50 Tenplus1 simplicity in reading the code... ehehehe... it's all functions of functions of functions :) lol
13:50 Tenplus1 works well though but slow on servers
13:50 Mr_Pardison large setups can cause lag.
13:50 Tenplus1 yeah, hell even small on/off lights can lag
13:51 Tenplus1 basic_machines is easier on servers but a tad fiddly to setup
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13:56 Tenplus1 o/
13:56 Raven262 o/
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13:57 Tenplus1 hi lisac
13:57 lisac hey Tenplus1
14:10 Tenplus1 paramat: are ice caves possible or is it just stone it generates inside ?
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14:25 Tenplus1 hi ae
14:25 Tenplus1 too short :) lol, hi aerozoic
14:25 aerozoic lol, wazup Tenplus1
14:25 Tenplus1 :P
14:26 aerozoic I was supposed to ask you about something, but i forgot what it was :/
14:26 Tenplus1 heh, it'll come back to you :P
14:27 Mr_Pardison like a boomerang.
14:27 paramat ice caves are possible if i add a second ice node that 'is ground content', maybe freshwater ice
14:27 Tenplus1 ooh, intieresting concept :D
14:28 paramat or, an identical ice that drops normal ice, not sure which
14:28 Fixer oh boy, moving from ut 2.2.1 to new qbittorrent is pain in the ass
14:28 Tenplus1 qb is ok but I find transmission a lot easier to use :D
14:28 Tenplus1 unless you really need the advaned feature access
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14:41 lumberJ nice Tenplus1
14:41 Tenplus1 :P very minimal
14:42 Tenplus1 w00t!
14:43 Tenplus1 yeah... turned off text and have icons only :) w10 style
14:44 Tenplus1 my whole desktop after boot is only 180mb... and it has everything enabled
14:45 Tenplus1 yeah...  what languages do you teach ?
14:46 Tenplus1 like I mentioned earlier I've been looking at Love2D and that in itself with LUA would be amazing to teach kids
14:46 Tenplus1 so many new games in the making :D
14:46 Tenplus1 old school style
14:49 Tenplus1 I can see Minetest gaining popularity this way :) they will be proud of their own mods
14:49 Tenplus1 +100
14:50 paramat erm don't use off for ontopic
14:51 Tenplus1 [on] ok
14:51 Tenplus1 :P
14:51 Tenplus1 lua needs a decent gui library for projects anyhoo, so love2d fits the bill and is on all platforms
14:52 lumberJ lol, paramat, kind of started off topic and ended up getting sort of on topic :D
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14:52 red-001 hi Peppy
14:52 Peppy hi
14:53 * red-001 finnally defeated tenplus1
14:53 Tenplus1 lol, hey red... hi peppy
14:53 * Tenplus1 was distracted by puppy
14:53 Tenplus1 o.O
14:54 aerozoic Tenplus1, i remember now what it was but after some investigation it's not your mod that is involved.
14:54 lumberJ Rubenwardy, I have a link to your book here: https://codeminers.neocities.org/
14:54 Tenplus1 what was the issue aerozoic ?
14:54 aerozoic I was trying to make a one way door using protected doors and pressure plates.
14:54 lumberJ i've used minetest modding book a little with the students, but most need a little more visual instruction and don't learn as weel from reading based tutorials
14:55 Tenplus1 ahh... protected doors arent in the door group so wont work with plates/switched :P
14:55 Tenplus1 nice page lumberJ
14:55 Tenplus1 https://love2d.org/
14:55 aerozoic Yep, and i don't think there is any way to actually make a one way door without finding a mod that will do it.
14:55 lumberJ my 90's style web design skills at work :P
14:55 lumberJ lol
14:56 Tenplus1 you COULD register a door but blank out owner so no-one can open it irl and have switches handle it :D
14:56 Tenplus1 so long as it's easy to read lumberJ it's all good :P
14:56 * benrob0329 walks in
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14:57 Tenplus1 hi Tmc
14:57 benrob0329 Hi Tenplus1, lumberJ, TMcSquared
14:58 Tenplus1 is there any reason that Minetest has a Python2 dependency ?????
14:58 Tenplus1 hi benrob
14:58 TMcSquared o/ its me, ThomasMonroe
14:58 Tenplus1 doppleganger alert!!!!
14:58 lumberJ i think some of the middleschool students might be able to hang with love2d, tenplus1
14:59 Tenplus1 the example games alone are amazing :) but having access to drawing functions, bitmaps etc. would help them make their own apps also and allow them to run on phones
14:59 Tenplus1 my main thing when I started programming was to write my own apps as I needed them :)
14:59 lumberJ yeah, something like khan academies drawing course for lua in love 2d would be a good format
14:59 Tenplus1 even in basic/pascal I wrote my own gui library to help :) was fun
15:00 * benrob0329 needs a good IRC client :P
15:00 lumberJ i'm relatively new to coding myself, so i have to spend a good amount of time with a platform before i try to put together a course.
15:01 Tenplus1 I hear ya :)  LUA is a good choice though
15:01 lumberJ I've got a couple projects on minetest platform i'm trying to execute now, but after that i'll probably try to get a little deeper into love2d
15:01 lumberJ yeah, i think its a good start language despite its quirks
15:01 lumberJ starter*
15:02 Tenplus1 minetest is a good eye opener for kids to learn, lua standalone/love2d to adapt and write your own
15:05 Tenplus1 noooo, I dont wanna see that one
15:06 Tenplus1 o.O
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15:08 Tenplus1 k, I gotta go for now :) laters all o/
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16:12 Fixer jeez, qbittorent is clusterf--k
16:31 Fixer ut 2.2.1 was best and still best, sadly it has some serious vulnerability with option that seems to fix it, qbittorent is _dangerous_ to use
16:50 Calinou Fixer: qBittorrent is pretty good
16:50 Calinou I've been using it since late 2013
16:51 Calinou the UI is old-fashioned but does the job and it doesn't look too bad
16:51 Fixer Calinou: it is good, but handling files is s l o p p y
16:51 Calinou plus, it has an integrated search engine
16:51 Calinou it's not that bad
16:51 Fixer Calinou: it has critical bugs that may delete your files and such
16:51 Calinou that hasn't occured to me
16:51 Fixer it has weird errors without anything in logs
16:51 Calinou I use my NAS as a seedbox currently, there's a built-in torrent client
16:51 Calinou (it's only active at night)
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18:46 lisac does anyone else feel like forum isn't the best place for mods?
18:47 lisac you can't sort them by last update, most downloads, highest rating, etc.
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18:48 lisac also pretty hard to find some mods due to lack of tags
18:51 Krock mod database was a thing. was. if ever anyone has the time to develop such a platform (or find an existing one) will surely be accepted
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18:55 rubenwardy certainly needed
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18:56 CWz Hello, RobbieF
18:56 RobbieF Hi CWz. Been well?
18:56 CWz Yes.
18:56 CWz You?
18:56 RobbieF Very well thanks!
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18:58 ThomasMonroe heya RobbieF!
18:58 RobbieF hi ThomasMonroe. How you been?
18:58 ThomasMonroe been doing great, and you?
18:58 RobbieF Very well! Exciting times all round. Busy busy.
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19:32 Fixer minetest probably needs smth like this http://bananas.openttd.org/en
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19:36 rubenwardy I made a mod database literally like 6 years ago
19:37 rubenwardy it was in php, and sucked, but it shows there's been interest in it for a long time
19:41 Shara It's something I would like to see.
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19:43 lumberJ its a noble cause for sure, rubenwardy
19:43 lumberJ its been the place to go and find some old mods that don't seem to be stored anywhere else, at time
19:52 Fixer funny how speed of AV UI degenerated to a point where they show layout of stuff beforing loading it, like on those shitty websites, eh
19:59 Sokomine without krocks mod search i'd be at a lost most of the time. that serach tool seems to be the approach that works best
19:59 Sokomine i tried to categorize mods some years ago but had to give up due to the sheer amount of them
20:00 Shara Issue for me has always been how to assess quality
20:00 Shara Eventually realised there is no way unless I just read code + test them
20:04 Fixer and forum search is worst thing ever
20:04 Fixer WORST
20:04 sofar tbh the idea of minetest-mods was to get a more curated collection going where peer review would be easier and more acceptable
20:04 sofar so far that seems to be working
20:05 sofar if you'd make a mod manager in-game and just hook it into minetest-mods only, you'd get very far
20:06 Shara And lock out those of us who don't want to have our mods there? Nice.
20:07 Shara That would keep out some pretty popular mods :)
20:08 Shara Something that pulls from what's posted on the servers seems best.
20:09 Fixer also, github will die eventually
20:09 Shara Specifically from Mod Releases. Then anythign found not to reach the standard to be there can just be moved back to WIP or Old mods anyway.
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20:21 sofar forums are not a content delivery mechanism
20:22 * Megaf waves
20:22 sofar technic is in minetest-mods, mesecons is in minetest-mods
20:23 * sofar shrugs, makes a project for other people, people shit on it
20:23 Shara Uhh, me not wanting to use a thing is not me shitting on that thing
20:24 sofar alright alright
20:24 Shara minetest-mods to pick up mods that have been abandoned is great
20:24 sofar "people dismiss it" :p
20:24 Shara To me that's a brilliant reason for it
20:24 sofar eh? there's only a few abandoned mods, and ... the whole idea of minetest-mods is to stop them from being abandoned
20:25 Shara But why should my mods be excluded from whatever just because I wish to keep hold of the main repos for them?
20:25 sofar your mod isn't community maintained?
20:25 Shara I'll take PRs gladly
20:25 Shara But I decide who gets the right to merge anything
20:25 sofar that doesn't change in minetest-mods
20:26 Shara Actually it does
20:26 benrob0329 Soon: All MT mods will be on a custom Git server
20:26 * benrob0329 hides
20:26 sofar well, it's nuanced, you write it as if people sign away their mods when they move to minetest-mods
20:26 sofar excuse me if I object to that paraphrasing
20:26 Shara Unless you allow people to remove them...
20:27 sofar it's open source, they can stop using it and continue development in their own preferred location?
20:27 Shara And na, not excusing you, but then I don't expect you to excuse me either :)
20:27 sofar it's not exactly hijacking projects either
20:27 sofar again, nuances
20:28 sofar anyway, I would frown if people made a mod manager that puts in random mods scraped from the forum
20:28 sofar that's just too easy to abuse
20:29 Shara If it's as I said, it would not be random
20:29 Shara It would be only ones moderators moved
20:29 Shara Including from WIP would be random, and I'd agree completely that would be bad
20:30 Shara (though it would be nice to think a "bad" mod wouldn't even last long in WIP because it would get reported...)
20:30 sofar having an easily trackable git tree to verify commits is easy to do and can be used to verify commits afterwards
20:30 sofar so at a minimum you'd want to build mod release tarballs for this in a controlled environment
20:31 sofar so no downloading from mrpickles.com to minetest clients
20:31 Shara Well, I guess you just want to exclude my mods, Ten's mods, mods like sban and sauth and so on then
20:31 sofar I don't
20:31 sofar at least those are on github
20:32 Shara Well yes. I wouldn't expect inclusion of anything that wasn't, to be honest
20:32 sofar not like some others (bitbucket, repo.org.cz, others)
20:32 Shara Should be in released mods subforum and have github link that works
20:32 sofar I honestly could care less about forum mods
20:32 sofar a lot of mine are still in WIP
20:33 benrob0329 >forcing Github
20:33 sofar heh, I should probably move them myselves
20:33 Shara I generally don't bother posting WIP mods to the forum at all
20:33 sofar I don't bother posting WIP mods, all my mods are usable when I post them
20:33 Shara Same
20:33 sofar they just go into WIP mods by default
20:34 Shara Well, move them so people know they are actual whole and functional mods :)
20:34 Shara It makes it easier for those trying to assess which mods are ready to be used
20:34 Shara In WIp it can be a nice guessing game
20:34 Shara WIP*
20:36 Shara benrob0329: I'm mostly just against when people link to a random download site and you can't see the code first
20:37 benrob0329 Shara: agreed
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20:48 Megaf MinetestBot!
20:48 MinetestBot Megaf!
20:52 Sokomine hm, yes. mods start as wip. only a few actually are (although all will be developped over time if need arises. may just take time). guess i ought to clean up and post in that thread which mod ought to be moved where (some few got obsolete, some are long since something that belongs to released, ..)
20:53 Sokomine those people who link to random download sites probably do not know how github works
20:55 redblade7 hi
20:56 Mr-Pardison 'ello redblade7
20:56 Shara Hi redblade7
20:57 redblade7 any more nasty ip addresses or ranges to block?
20:58 Megaf !server Megaf
20:58 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms
21:00 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=312568#p312568 lol
21:01 Shara sofar: you can move them yourself, right? :D
21:01 sofar honestly I don't see how
21:01 sofar "move posts" but is that the same?
21:02 Shara move topic probably
21:02 sofar probably looking in the wrong phpbb page...
21:02 Shara bottom right dropdown while in the topic
21:03 Megaf MinetestBot!
21:03 MinetestBot Megaf!
21:04 Shara I have two of those mods on my list of "mods I really should spend some time looking at" :)
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21:29 * sofar figures it out
21:39 Fixer time is running out....
21:39 Fixer god damn quassel stalling under medium disk i/o load
21:42 Fixer compile time for minetest with 7061
21:44 Fixer also, github has beca(o)me one of those 2big2fail, and when it fails - there will be a disaster, same with youtube (profitability unknown)
21:52 sofar that's why companies left and right are setting up their own githubs
21:52 sofar I think people will adapt. the nature of git creates a fast way of detecting modified repos
21:53 Fixer it is just initial shockwave and huge disruption and archivists golden time
21:53 Fixer and death of some projects that were left behind
21:54 Fixer webarchive needs to start selecting and archiving best of youtuve
21:54 Fixer tube*
21:54 Fixer actual best, not that clickbait shit
21:55 sofar sf.net is still hosting legitimate projects
21:56 sofar (there's an oxymoron in that sentence)
21:56 Fixer sad
21:56 Fixer it is more usable and stopped that policy of bundling badware
21:56 Fixer but it has projects like FlightGear
21:56 Fixer and ctulhu know how the hell their developers navigate in that hell
21:57 Fixer found a regression in refresh button
21:58 celeron55 when things become too big to fail, they just start defining to society what is good and what isn't, while not actually doing any good
21:58 celeron55 they fail but nobody thinks it's a failure, it's just accepted
21:59 celeron55 there will be a big group of people who think github is good even after it isn't 8)
21:59 Fixer it is funny how youtube pushed and endorsed clickbait mess, and then when it got really hot with that dead bodies and stuff it condemned it
21:59 celeron55 i wonder if we will belong to that group
21:59 Fixer also, I see a new shitty trend
22:00 Fixer opensource freeware in windows
22:00 Fixer at first it is harmless, but then they pack in adware, then pulsating donate button, etc
22:00 paramat server owners #7067 here's the new version of the PR that will help you deal with the world-generation/copying hacked bot attacks, but useful for other reasons too, please support
22:00 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7067 -- SAO limits: Allow SAOs to exist outside the set 'mapgen limit' by paramat
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22:02 Fixer celeron55: depends on github revenues, hmmmmmm (googles)
22:02 celeron55 usually the point at which things start going to shit is easy to point out
22:02 celeron55 it's when a business is sold
22:03 Fixer GitHub lost $27 million in the fiscal year that ended in January 2016
22:03 Fixer celeron55: one of the points, yes
22:03 Fixer celeron55: buy out = RIP
22:03 sofar amazon didn't make a profit until last year
22:03 sofar losing money isn't a measure of success or failure
22:04 sofar the customer doesn't define failure, the business owner does
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22:05 celeron55 losing money is fine if you're likely to have profitable years in the future
22:05 celeron55 or if you'll just sell the company to someone who thinks they'll get something out of it
22:06 celeron55 1) start company, 2) lose money for years, 3) sell it for 10x the lost money
22:06 celeron55 8)))
22:07 red-001 4) watch it all go belly up while you move to rio
22:09 celeron55 4) close all windows, doors, order a lot of pizza and play videogames for 40 years
22:09 rubenwardy the dream
22:09 red-001 kinda surprised github choose to release how much they lost, pretty sure that if you are not publicly traded you don't have to
22:12 red-001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_​corporation#Financial_statements ah
22:21 Fixer i googled a bit, other say they can be profitable
22:21 Fixer it is strange that there is no public data on this
22:23 Fixer ThomasMonroe: I have text over your refresh button... https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16494741​/36508838-84c1d7a2-1766-11e8-9ed6-8014471c115e.png
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22:24 red-001 TMcSquared, thunderbird as in the IRC client?
22:25 red-001 ehhh
22:25 red-001 s/irc/email
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22:31 Fixer red-001: wat?
22:31 red-001 -TMcSquared- VERSION Thunderbird 52.6.0
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22:35 Fixer red-001: firefox has irc client, but thunderbird?
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22:35 Fixer "As of Thunderbird 15, Thunderbird supports instant messaging and chat using IRC, XMPP, Twitter, and Google Talk."
22:52 Calinou yeah
22:52 Calinou some people really like using it as an IRC client, but I don't
23:06 * Fixer right now https://i.imgur.com/slwiasg.jpg
23:09 Fixer what I was thinking when created world Zucc? What I was testing?
23:17 Fixer I was testing carts, and they were fine
23:18 Fixer not sure about those reports about problems, they are not posted anywhere on github
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