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00:09 Fixer VanessaE: 30008 not announcing
00:18 Hijiri ircSparky: Shouldn't on_place work with entities
00:20 VanessaE Fixer: I can't fix it.
00:21 Fixer VanessaE: thats the spirit
00:22 VanessaE Fixer: it's an engine or master server list issue.
00:22 VanessaE there's nothing I can do about it
00:27 red-001 still not being able to drop unknown items is just a joke
00:32 Fixer red-001: yeah, wth with that
00:33 Fixer red-001: there was an issue about that
00:34 Fixer "In earlier Minetest versions it was possible to “drop” unknown items, but they got immediately destroyed when doing so. This was a quick and convenient and portable way to get rid of your unknown items."
00:34 Fixer red-001: here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3389
00:35 Hijiri if you have mailbox mod you can put it in somebody else's mailbox
00:36 Fixer silly
00:44 red-001 Fixer, I once even tried to fix that
00:46 red-001 aparently it's a feature
00:50 * Shara thinks some features should be burned at the stake :)
00:54 shivajiva I think I'll make my mailboxes only accept books
01:10 ircSparky Hijiri, no, it hasn't been working for entities
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01:14 Hijiri ircSparky: Oh
01:15 Hijiri you could override the on_rightclick of all entities
01:15 ircSparky well the objective is to have player rightclickable
01:16 ircSparky but either i did that wrong or its not possible
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04:28 sofar just an FYI, tobyplowy seems to be mass-closing his issues
04:28 sofar make sure to scan for projects where you don't want to have issues closed if you still want to work on them later
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04:45 paramat yes i noticed, if necessary we can open copies of the issues
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14:13 IhrFussel Can someone explain to me why string.gmatch() complains about a nil values (pmembers) when pmembers clearly is NOT nil at that time because I log it above and it displays the content just fine? https://pastebin.com/aHdL1vAK
14:17 sfan5 the scope of local pmembers ends with the first if-clause
14:18 IhrFussel So pmembers only exists before the end?
14:20 sfan5 yes
14:21 IhrFussel Okay...I should learn more about scopes or just define the locals at the beginning of my functions before any if's
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15:08 IhrFussel Including donation links in server topics... seems greedy
15:09 Mr_Pardison IMO that is.
15:09 IhrFussel "Any donations are appreciated. If you donate 1 dollar we give the air rank as a thank you. If you donate 5 dollars we offer the void rank as a thank you. If you donate 10 dollars we give the Overlord rank as a thank you."
15:10 Mr_Pardison money in exchange for ranks.
15:10 Mr_Pardison sad.
15:11 Mr_Pardison In my view, that's akin to cheating to get to there instead of being able to say you fought and made your way to that point through hard work and skill.
15:11 IhrFussel The donation link is actually a Bitcoin address
15:11 Calinou that's very common on Minecraft servers, many server owners greatly recoup their hosting expenses thanks to donations
15:12 Mr_Pardison ofc it's bitcoin.
15:13 Mr_Pardison and eventually the market is going to run out of those since there is only a certain amount that can be generated before it has to repeat.
15:13 IhrFussel Calinou, It's unusual in MT to ask for donations just because you host a server ... and that makes it look greedy
15:14 rubenwardy I think it's fair enough, as long as it's not P2W
15:14 rubenwardy there are multi-million pound companies due to IAPs in MC servers
15:14 IhrFussel I understand paramat's reason to take donations...he actively works on the code, but I don't see why I should pay a server owner for their hosting
15:15 rubenwardy they contribute time and money for hardware
15:15 IhrFussel If they need money back they should've cancelled the hosting honestly
15:16 IhrFussel I put well over $500 into my MT server...I don't need any of that back
15:18 IhrFussel Just to make sure: I'm not against donating per se... I just find it greedy to mention it at the beginning of your server topic but maybe that's just me
15:18 Mr_Pardison I'm with you on that since it does look greedy.
15:19 Mr_Pardison putting it at the bottom would be a less-greedy looking thing to do.
15:19 lumberJ and probably would not be seen
15:20 Mr_Pardison some people read the whole thing.
15:20 IhrFussel I know Shara for example got quite a few donation offers in the past and if the player comes to you and says "hey i like your server and would like to support it" then it's fine IMO
15:20 Mr_Pardison I do that since sometimes there are useful things below the top part.
15:20 lumberJ what is wrong with notifying people who use your work hours a day that they can contribute if they wish? It looks greedy to expect compensation for you work?
15:20 Mr_Pardison if you expect players to contribute, then that is greedy from my POV.
15:21 lumberJ well if you 'expect' it. i don't think its greedy, but minetest probably isn't the right platform
15:21 lumberJ since you are riding the back of so many other people
15:21 IhrFussel Expecting people to pay for your server is greedy I think... offering a way to donate somewhere atthe bottom or an extra info website is fine
15:21 Mr_Pardison yeah.
15:22 Mr_Pardison donations are fine.
15:22 Mr_Pardison expecting players to pay is just greed.
15:22 rubenwardy there's a difference between expecting and hoping
15:22 rubenwardy like, hoping for thanks rather than expecting contributions
15:23 lumberJ well, i disagree that if you work hard, put a lot of work into creating something unique to the community, that it is greedy even to 'expect' it. but it is perhaps naive :D
15:23 lumberJ especially on this platform
15:23 IhrFussel But the server owner obviously tries to get money since they give out ranks for it... You know many people will pay for it cause they like to be "higher" than others
15:24 lumberJ if a propietary game does that, is it also greedy?
15:24 rubenwardy P2W? yes
15:24 Mr_Pardison And I'd rather work my way to the top than pay to get there since paying doesn't give you the same feeling as working your own way to the top.
15:24 rubenwardy in app purchases for cosmetics? not necessarily
15:25 IhrFussel Well in this case it's just cosmetic I think...but still... some people will feel "forced" to donate cause they want that sexy nametag ingame
15:28 lumberJ one could also say that users expecting devs, mod maintainers and server owners to spend hours a day, often for years with no return also looks greedy
15:29 lumberJ or cheap at least
15:29 lumberJ worst of all it is potentially rather detrimental to the development of quality opensource projects
15:29 Mr_Pardison they could be working on the game because they want to and don't expect any monetary reward.
15:29 Shara One could also say MT isn't a job, and coming into it purely to make money is a very silly thing to do
15:30 Shara But I only skimmed the conversation since my name got dropped, and might be missing the point here
15:30 * Shara hides back under her rock
15:30 lumberJ yes i agree. coming into minetest specifically, "purely" to make money would be foolish
15:31 Mr_Pardison extremely so given that MT is an opensource project and is free for anyone to contribute to.
15:31 Mr_Pardison and free to use.
15:31 lumberJ i'm speaking more generally. its a bit of a point of privilege to assume everyone should be able to afford to engage in opensource communities never expecting any sort of compensation for their work though
15:32 lumberJ that excludes many talented intelligent people that will go elsewhere because literally they can't afford to be part of open source projects
15:33 Mr_Pardison I'm becoming more talented in coding and am intelligent (according to others) but I wouldn't leave this supportive community for anything.
15:33 IhrFussel Offering a way to donate is, again, fine... but the question is *how* you present it ... and a paragraph at the top of your forum topic with a Bitcoin link and the fact that you give out ranks for donators is blatant
15:33 red-001 what do the ranks do?
15:33 IhrFussel Not sure... they could be just cosmetics (fancy nametags) or unlock certain features
15:33 Mr_Pardison good question.....
15:34 Shara To be honest, if someone can't afford to run a server, they shouldn't run a server.
15:34 Shara I do understand people can suddenly find themselves no longer able to support what previously was easy for them
15:34 Shara And that's a bit different
15:34 IhrFussel Shara, in this case the server is brand new
15:35 Shara Yup, and I disagree with that because it's not what I feel MT is about... on the other hand, it's also totally their choice and I have no right to try and change it
15:35 rubenwardy I have donation links up because it's a cool form of thanks - buy me a coffee essentially
15:35 lumberJ well, no economically that wouldn't make economic sense to start a server, Shara.
15:35 lumberJ but if there is a sense of shame around anyone in the community asking for donations, then why use licenses that allow it?
15:36 IhrFussel I started my server because I had an idea in my head and wanted to realize it as an official service ... Not once did I think "maybe people will pay me for this"
15:37 IhrFussel My active players already "pay" me back...not money but appreciation, respect etc
15:38 Mr_Pardison My payment for what I do is the gratification that others get from how well I do in keeping things running smoothly.
15:38 Shara lumberJ: what sense of shame? I can disagree with something personally but that doesn't mean I'm going to be bothered by it.
15:38 Fixer pay to get a rank is road to hell
15:38 Mr_Pardison I don't expect nor want any monetary compensation.
15:39 Shara rubenwardy: you've already given a lot and yours are not exactly intrusive or over the top in any way
15:39 Mr_Pardison highway.
15:39 Mr_Pardison not road.
15:39 Fixer it is how minecraft was ruined by this cancer, forever
15:39 Fixer you can't find good server without some d-head selling ranks for money and unban for money
15:40 lumberJ Shara, i'm not saying here particulary someone is being shamed. i'm speaking generally that there is often an attitude of shaming or looking down on opensource developer making money off of their work
15:41 lumberJ likewise if you are providing a related service such as hosting/mainting
15:41 IhrFussel rubenwardy, the server topic I quoted mentions what happens if you donate $1, $5 or $10 ... that alone makes it worse than yours IMO
15:41 Fixer it ends up in pay 2 win pretty much
15:41 Mr_Pardison Fixer: ergo, leads to cancer.
15:41 Fixer finally mojang started to battle this cancer
15:42 Fixer but there are planty of cracked server that still have this crap
15:42 rubenwardy just wait until CSM
15:42 Mr_Pardison too little, too late
15:42 IhrFussel Fixer, are ranks in MC like privs in MT? Or you mean staff ranks?
15:42 rubenwardy that server owner can just require a btc mining mod
15:42 rubenwardy no more scary donation links
15:43 Shara lumberJ: I can only speak for myself, but I'm fine with people making money in general. Just sometimes feel people who try this within MT have very unrealistic expectations. It's not really primie money making territory for server owners anyway.
15:43 Fixer IhrFussel: for example, you buy rank 1 for 10$ per month and you got fly, fast, good kit tools on f--ing PVP server
15:43 rubenwardy IAP support in the engine, when?
15:43 Fixer this is infair and just money grub
15:43 Fixer or grab
15:44 IhrFussel Fixer, so ranks are priv bundles...wow that's worse than single privs
15:44 lumberJ i can understand that shara
15:44 Fixer IhrFussel: depends on server, you can even UNBAN FOR CASH, literally
15:44 Fixer IhrFussel: it is not rare
15:44 Shara Also why would someone play on such a server when there are so many compeltely free servers?
15:44 Fixer IhrFussel: it is business, it is not about minecraft, it is extracting money from kids
15:44 lumberJ i have more in mind like developer/server owners who do most of their work custom. they pour so many hours into work.
15:44 Shara IhrFussel: which server is doing this?
15:44 Fixer aka same shit as loot boxes and stuff
15:45 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=10&t=19621&view=unread#unread
15:45 rubenwardy Shara ^
15:45 Shara lumberJ: I even write custom server-specific versions of some of my mods on request for other servers
15:46 Shara I don't  see anything about privs for ranks, but I guess that's in game.
15:47 shivajiva does the grand refer to money :)
15:47 Shara A bit misleading if so and the forum topic doesn't say...
15:47 rubenwardy it's at the top of the post
15:47 rubenwardy ah
15:47 rubenwardy misread you
15:47 Shara Get sucked into playing and then only afterwards find you need to pay for privs? Is that the goal?
15:48 shivajiva works for multicraft or whatever that client is
15:48 rubenwardy kinda tempted to make a custom client for
15:48 shivajiva except this is ranks
15:48 rubenwardy kinda tempted to make a custom client for CTF, optimised for PvP
15:48 rubenwardy then put ads on death and in between rounds
15:48 shivajiva lol do it ruben!
15:49 Mr_Pardison banned for 30 minutes after death? that's rather stupid as one would probably want revenge and would jump right back into the fight.
15:49 Shara We can't control clients
15:49 Fixer and finally for "some" "unknown reason" donation pages are called stores and shopes, HMMMMMMM
15:49 Fixer and they are not selling t-shirts, nope
15:50 Shara But whether it's okay to post something without being clear about what a cost is for is something we can consider
15:50 IhrFussel Shara, no it doesn't mention privs...it mentions "ranks" and then describes which rank you get at what amount of money ... I find that alone to be bad
15:50 Fixer they even have "70% OFF HOLIDAY SALE" lol
15:50 Fixer SALE?
15:50 Mr_Pardison XD
15:50 Fixer ARE NOT WE SUPPOSED TO DONATE?
15:50 shivajiva lel
15:50 Mr_Pardison sale is for those who are cheap and don't want to pay the full amount.
15:50 Mr_Pardison that's my guess.
15:50 Fixer it is extracting money from kids, thats it
15:51 Fixer fuck parents who allow this crap
15:51 Fixer morons
15:51 shivajiva bet someone steals their bitcoins
15:51 Fixer "I'm not a Minecraft player, so please forgive my ignorance. My child asked me to buy them a "rank" for $60."
15:52 Fixer thats literally beginning of 2013
15:53 shivajiva air rank = $1 you have to laugh at that foul smell :)
15:53 lumberJ lol
15:53 Fixer "Unbans: Did you get banned and your ban appeal got denied? Well you can buy an unban if you're not ip banned!"
15:53 Fixer uuuh
15:54 shivajiva jeez now it's sounding like extortion
15:54 Mr_Pardison essentially it is.
15:55 Fixer Notch in 2014: "Some of them even charge quite a lot. I don’t even know how many emails we’ve gotten from parents, asking for the hundred dollars back [that] their kid spent on an item pack on a server we have no control over. This was never allowed, but we didn’t crack down on it because we’re constantly incredibly swamped in other work."
15:56 Fixer i don't want this cancer in minetest, it is the worst thing that will ruin the game
15:56 IhrFussel Even if those ranks don't give any privs...there are people who want to have the best rank in any game and will pay that amount ... it would be totally different if the description would just say "if you want you can donate to support us"
15:56 Mr_Pardison parents do know that they can prevent the spending of money by setting  a limit on the money you can spend in any game.
15:56 Shara I'll allow donations one day, mostly out of curiosity
15:56 shivajiva this specifically targets children and their lack of control
15:57 Mr_Pardison predatory actions that preys on them due to their lack of self control.
15:57 Mr_Pardison disgusting.
15:58 Fixer Shara: for ranks? or just donations?
15:58 Fixer the whole point of donation is to give money in exchange of nothing, if it is in exchange of something - it is a sale
15:59 Mr_Pardison sale is the exchange of one good for a payment, typically in a monetary form.
15:59 Mr_Pardison sale can also be a discount on something due to a surplus of said item.
15:59 Fixer "With the grand opening today there are prizes and crate keys hidden around the server."
15:59 Fixer OH GOD
15:59 Mr_Pardison basic economics.
16:07 benrob0329 Fixer: Microtran$actions
16:08 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: Microtran$actions = P2W
16:11 Shara Fixer: you should know me better than to ask that. I'd never request money for anything
16:11 Shara well, unless I literally lost my job and needed it to actually pay for the server
16:12 Shara but if people just wanted to give something as a thank you only, I might allow something unobtrusive
16:13 Shara Anyway, i poked around, they don't sell rank privs for money
16:13 Shara Only certain special ranks. Apparently other ranks can be earned in game
16:15 IhrFussel As soon as you mention what you give players for X dollars it's greedy in my eyes
16:15 IhrFussel It doesn't matter if you give out nametags or ranks or privs
16:16 IhrFussel Players should always have the free decision on what they donate... but a "donate $10 for this thing" can manipulate their minds
16:17 IhrFussel Way too many services exploit this
16:25 shivajiva ^
16:26 Shara Sure, but you also can't actually stop this
16:26 Shara and we may as well get the facts right before accusing a server of the ultimate evil
16:26 * Shara crawls back to that rock for real this time
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17:11 Mr_Pardison Jordach_: connection problems?
17:19 IhrFussel The new version of 3d_armor is completely different to my old one from Dec 2016 ... I will have to re-adjust all armor types
17:20 IhrFussel Looks like the mod uses now "fleshy" to determine the defense?
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17:30 Krock no tenplus1 around. again. aagh
17:31 Mr_Pardison same.
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18:08 IhrFussel Players complaining about "broken commands" because their stupid device adds a space at the end ugh...
18:33 IhrFussel Umm guys the new 3d_armor changed the player model and now the arms are upside down
18:34 Fixer and those cancerous servers often wipe the map every freaking year
18:34 Fixer it is not acceptable
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18:39 IhrFussel HUH???
18:39 IhrFussel The player_api mod is not part of 0.4.17 right?
18:39 IhrFussel I mean MTG 0.4.17
18:42 benrob0329 >referencing an MT version that may never be released
18:44 IhrFussel I have 0.4.17(-dev) on my server and 3d_armor seems to be using a function that is NOT in MTG 0.4.17 ( default.set_player_model() )
18:44 IhrFussel Now all characters have their arms upside down and I'm not sure how to fix it
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19:07 benrob0329 IhrFussel: lol
19:07 IhrFussel Maybe playeranim is the problem, not sure...I updated playeranim now and will see if it fixes the problem
19:08 Jordach_ IhrFussel: just move to 0.5-dev
19:08 Jordach_ life is on the better side here
19:09 Fixer too early
19:09 Fixer very few play 0.5.0git
19:11 IhrFussel It was playeranim...I had to update it and choose "player model v2"
19:12 Jordach_ 🤔🤔
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19:32 Fixer sooooo moooooooove
19:32 xerox123 0.5.0 ready anytime soon? :D
19:39 Shara Never :)
19:39 Mr-Pardison xerox123: define soon.
19:39 rubenwardy we've decided not to release 0.5.0
19:40 rubenwardy instead, the next release will be 0.6.0 in a year's time
19:40 Mr-Pardison next gen, next year.
19:42 xerox123 I don't get the joke :P
19:43 aerozoic Anybody know what changed in the last couple of versions of MT to cause blocks not to cause damage when you touch them anymore when they did previously?
19:43 aerozoic oops, i mean nodes :P
19:43 rubenwardy movement changes, likely
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19:47 Hijiri which release is planned to break mod compatibility?
19:47 red-001 node damage got moved to the server right?
19:48 red-001 so I guess it might be more forgiving now
20:00 ircSparky how do you get a tool's range from get_wielded_item()?
20:05 Hijiri ircSparky: get_definition() and then check the range in the definition table
20:05 Hijiri I think the default is 4.0 if it isn't present in the definition
20:06 Hijiri also remember that the range is measured from the player's camera position and not their object's root position
20:06 Hijiri (I think)
20:06 Mr-Pardison in 3rd person view, it's 3 nodes away.
20:07 Mr-Pardison wait no.
20:07 Mr-Pardison 4 nodes for both.
20:12 Jordach how do i combine two textures of differing sizes without scaling them
20:12 sfan5 ^[combine
20:12 Jordach "wardrobe_canvas_scaler.png^[combine:64x64:0,0=" .. tex_string
20:12 sfan5 no
20:12 sfan5 combine created a whole new texture
20:13 sfan5 creates*
20:13 Jordach i see
20:13 sfan5 so you'd need to ^[combine:64x64:0,0=wardrobe_canvas_​scaler.png:16,16=something_else.png
20:13 sfan5 don't forget the escaping (if applicable)
20:14 Jordach sfan5: still scales it
20:14 Jordach stretched by 1:2 ration on Y
20:15 sfan5 what's the whole thing
20:15 Jordach "ptextures_transparent.png^[combine:64x6​4:0,0=wardrobe_canvas_scaler.png:64,32=" .. tex_string
20:15 sfan5 and tex_string is = ?
20:15 Jordach tex_string = "wardrobe_player_" .. v .. ".png"
20:15 sfan5 that shouldn't be scaling anything...
20:17 * Jordach looks into the problem
20:36 Jordach i'm a potato
20:38 Mr-Pardison 9gag reference: sorry for the long post. have a Jordach.
20:39 Jordach WHAT YEAR IS IT
20:40 Jordach sfan5: the canvas scaler wasn't even *required*
20:45 Fixer Jordach: 1802
20:46 Jordach Fixer: i thought it is 1776
21:02 Fixer just one more and then you will be happy
21:02 Fixer one more year
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21:04 Mr-Pardison g2g cya tomorrow
21:06 Fixer Does Paint in Win7 has that spray tool that I've used in Win95?
21:07 Fixer oh yes it does o/
21:07 benrob0329 Lol, MS paint
21:09 Krock for amateur/kids drawings since the 90s
21:14 benrob0329 "Back in my day we had to code sprites by hand"
21:17 IhrFussel Who thought it would be a great idea to let tools of players drop just because they try to punch someone with admin armor...and who thought that it would be good to play the metal sound whenever something attacks a player with admin armor
21:18 Fixer IhrFussel: v i b r a t i o n
21:19 IhrFussel Oh no...they actually added sounds to all shields whenever they tae damage...that is super annoying
21:19 Fixer brainstorm this https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/2048
21:19 Fixer 2048
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21:33 IhrFussel Seriously...it should be by no means be DEFAULT behavior that the player loses their tool when trying to punch an admin
21:34 red-001 game#2048
21:34 Fixer IhrFussel: open an issue about that?
21:34 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/2048 -- Variety of stone types underground and some ores limited to certain stone types
21:35 IhrFussel Fixer, I'm afraid stu likes it that way and won't change it...he didn't even include an option for it...every server owner who wants that behavior to be off needs to go into shields/init.lua and delete the on_damage() callback
21:35 Fixer IhrFussel: open an issue with suggestion to add option for that
21:37 benrob0329 Why does ShadowBot use notify when what it posts is hardly ever worth a notification?
21:37 sfan5 your irc client is misunderstanding notices
21:38 benrob0329 Really?
21:38 benrob0329 Because last I checked, the whole point of a notice was to notify you
21:38 benrob0329 Thus the name, "notice"
21:39 sfan5 I'm not sure which specification you read
21:39 benrob0329 You "notice" them, normal messages should be used for things you do not need to "notice"
21:39 sfan5 but it surely wasn't the correct one
21:39 sfan5 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459#section-4.4.2
21:40 IhrFussel Fixer, https://github.com/stujones11​/minetest-3d_armor/issues/131 sounds good?
21:40 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/egRYkdN.png
21:40 benrob0329 sfan5: that says nothing about notifications, only that they are akin to pms
21:40 Fixer IhrFussel: yeah, good enough
21:41 sfan5 benrob0329: correct
21:41 benrob0329 Which do provide notifications in most cases
21:41 sfan5 this means notices are not supposed to be "notifying messages"
21:41 sfan5 no no no not "in most cases"
21:41 sfan5 they official specification disagrees with you
21:41 sfan5 and with how good clients handle notices
21:41 benrob0329 Non notifying messages are normal messages
21:42 sfan5 no that's not how it works
21:42 sfan5 if it is, please point me where in the specification it says that
21:42 benrob0329 Show me where the specification says literally anything other than "don't autoreply" when it comes to notices
21:42 benrob0329 Other than the name, notice
21:43 sfan5 1) you made that statement, you prove it; you can't shift burden of proof back
21:43 benrob0329 I could say the same, since the spec doesn't specify
21:44 sfan5 "IRC notices cause computers to explode"
21:44 sfan5 is that a true statement?
21:44 sfan5 cause the specification doesn't specify it
21:45 sfan5 instead of digging the hole deeper by coming up with another fallacy, you should just admit that you were wrong
21:46 benrob0329 I honestly don't understand where you get that a notice is akin to normal messages, and should be treated as such
21:46 sfan5 "The NOTICE message is used similarly to PRIVMSG."
21:46 IhrFussel Fixer, is hitter:set_wielded_item("") destroying it?
21:46 sfan5 section 4.4.2 of the specification i just linked
21:46 benrob0329 The spec even says they're akin to PMs, which do notify
21:47 Fixer IhrFussel: no idea, not a modder, just walking by since 2011
21:47 sfan5 you're misunderstanding what PRIVMSG means
21:47 sfan5 PRIVMSG, as part of the IRC protocol, is used for messages of any kind
21:47 sfan5 be it to a channel or a single user
21:48 IhrFussel The lua doc says it replaces the wielded item with the specified one... in this case "" means hand I'm guessing
21:48 Fixer duh, we have half-dead minetest_game body in the middle of the room and you both argue about stuff nobody cares about
21:50 benrob0329 sfan5: alright, yes I misunderstood PRIVMSG
21:51 benrob0329 But the logic of "notices should not be noticed" does not make any sense to me, and is unspecified
21:51 benrob0329 I will leave it at that
21:52 sfan5 the naming is unfortunate yes, you'd expect something different without having read the specification
21:53 benrob0329 I did read it, i
21:53 benrob0329 -, i
21:53 sfan5 I wasn't trying to imply anything in that direction
21:54 * benrob0329 reads the whole spec
21:56 Fixer new minecraft snapshot adds kelp, kek
21:56 Fixer minetest game was faster this time!
21:56 Fixer eh, this only makes me sad
21:56 benrob0329 sfan5: perhaps what should be gathered is that because of the unspecified nature of what should and should not send notifications, bots should use PRIVMSG under normal circumstances
21:57 sfan5 nah
21:58 sfan5 most bots use privmsg though since few people know about the intended (by the spec) usage of NOTICEs
21:58 benrob0329 The spec does not specify
22:01 benrob0329 The spec does not say what should and should not create notifications, likely because it was made in the late 80s before notifications as we know them now were a thing
22:01 Fixer lol https://i.imgur.com/IsJmr.jpg
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22:19 * Sokomine hopes the old ssd will be more cooperative now with a new cable
22:43 aerozoic rubenwardy, about your statement that MT 5.0 won't be released? Did i miss something or is that for real? I didn't find anything on the forum.
22:44 aerozoic or anybody?
22:44 red-001 it's a joke
22:45 aerozoic ok XD
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23:46 Fixer don't wait for it though
23:46 Fixer that will not be soon
23:54 Fixer ohhh mt 5.0
23:54 Fixer that will be released in the next 1000 years
23:57 Sokomine so soon? all these rapid version changes...
23:57 Shara I have to agree with Sokomine. Much too early.
23:58 sofar nothing until at least the post-Cenozoic
23:59 Fixer 3d models in hands will be implemented somewhere during remaining life-time of this planet

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