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01:52 ircSparky is it possible to have something happen when you rightclick a player?
01:52 ircSparky with just a fist
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04:04 sofar ircSparky: maybe try overriding the hand item's `on_use` callback
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05:08 Hijiri wouldn't it be on_place or on_secondary_use
06:12 sofar unsure, but on_secondary_use is for when pointing at nothing
06:12 sofar so on_place for clicking on a player seems weird
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12:36 IhrFussel 2018-02-13 13:06:53: ERROR[Main]: AREAS FROM FILE ARE NOT A TABLE
12:36 IhrFussel 2018-02-13 13:06:53: ERROR[Main]: DUMPED AREAS DATA: nil
12:57 Jordach https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movf​uscator/tree/master/validation/doom
12:57 Jordach Calinou: ^ mov only doom
12:58 Jordach "This is thought to be entirely secure against the Meltdown and Spectre CPU vulnerabilities, which require speculative execution on branch instructions."
13:01 Calinou Jordach: saw it
13:01 Calinou it's very, very slow :P
13:01 Jordach i saw the notes :D
13:02 nore "The mov-only DOOM renders approximately one frame every 7 hours" :'(
13:02 Calinou performs worse than JavaScript
13:07 red-001 I mean doom runs in pretty much real time in JS
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13:28 Fixer meh, just install gzdoom+brutal doom and stop wasting your time on hip crap
13:38 Jordach i can run brutal doom on my Galaxy Note 8, Fixer
13:39 IhrFussel How can I remove a data set from mod storage?
13:40 IhrFussel Will set_string("name",nil) work?
13:43 sfan5 set it to an empty string
13:45 red-001 IhrFussel, don't think you can
13:46 IhrFussel sfan5, that will realy remove it like nil in player attributes does?
13:47 sfan5 "really remove"??
13:47 sfan5 doing get_string() on non-existent metadata will return an empty string
13:47 sfan5 so setting something to an empty string is pretty much identical to "really removing it"
13:48 IhrFussel Okay but if I set the data to "" will it remain in RAM/DB/whatever
13:48 red-001 looks like that was fixed
13:48 red-001 an empty string is now removed fully
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13:48 sfan5 IhrFussel: the old data will be overwritten, obviously
13:48 red-001 ofc it's not documented anywhere, but https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/1992db1395d9c068327a7c08bac7​a24ef7112274/src/metadata.cpp#L80
13:51 IhrFussel Was that backported to 0.4.17?
13:51 * red-001 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
13:52 sfan5 it's been like that since 2014
13:53 IhrFussel Huh? mod storage exists since 2014??
13:53 sfan5 no
13:54 sfan5 but the metadata code it reuses was originally written in 2012 with the exact same behaviour
13:55 Fixer funny http://www.zdnet.com/article/skype-cannot-fix​-security-bug-without-a-massive-code-rewrite/
13:56 Wayward_One Hi all :)
13:56 IhrFussel Oh I see...so just to make 100% sure: If I set_string("blah","beep") and later do set_string("blah","") it's like I never used blah correct?
13:56 red-001 yes
13:56 Mr_Pardison hello Wayward_One
13:59 Mr_Pardison one reason why I don't like Skype.
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14:09 ircSparky sofar, " maybe try overriding the hand item's `on_use` callback" what is the hand's itemstring?
14:30 IhrFussel At which amount does the mod storage slow down the server? I mean how many data sets can I store before it takes more than a few ms to load/save?
14:32 IhrFussel ircSparky, it's just ":"
14:32 IhrFussel core.register_item(":", {
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14:41 Megaf MinetestBot!
14:41 MinetestBot Megaf!
14:49 red-001 IhrFussel, is that documented?
14:49 IhrFussel red-001, what is?
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14:54 red-001 that hand itemstring
14:54 IhrFussel No, it's just defined in builtin/game/register.lua
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14:55 IhrFussel Or maybe it is...never checked
14:58 IhrFussel Nope, not documented...at least I can't find anything about "hand"
15:05 Shara The result of some bordom: http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_kelp.png
15:06 red-001 whats the draw type for plants underwater?
15:06 red-001 also if anyone has time #6982 needs testing
15:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6982 -- Make settings files per-world. by red-001
15:07 Shara plantlike_rooted
15:19 red-001 (also needs general review ofc)
15:20 * twoelk looks for his flippers and goggles
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15:35 Fixer Shara: nice
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15:52 IhrFussel Creating a party system is really really difficult in MT ... well at least complex
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16:02 Fixer IhrFussel: political party?
16:03 Mr_Pardison Fixer: there's no party like a Pardison party.
16:06 benrob0329 Fixer: the Minepublicans
16:06 benrob0329 And the Testocrats
16:08 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: you neglect the independents who want to do their own thing.
16:08 benrob0329 With major media Blox News and TNN saying whatever the hell they want to, just to mirror reality
16:10 Mr_Pardison TNT is the one they favor one party over the other.
16:10 celeron55 isn't that more like the US than the reality
16:11 Mr_Pardison *sarcasm* what gave that away?
16:14 benrob0329 celeron55: true
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17:03 IhrFussel Is "party" the right word when describing a group in an online game? IIRC it was called "party" in the RPGs I played
17:03 Shara IhrFussel: Yes. Or call them groups. Doesn't matter.
17:04 IhrFussel I get the feeling that many think party is "yeah let's party!"
17:05 IhrFussel They think of celebrating rather than a group
17:05 Mr_Pardison for me, it's that and a group of ppl united under a collective theme.
17:07 IhrFussel It doesn't help that the command to invite a player to a party is /invite ... Is there a better word I can use? Maybe I should ask ##English
17:08 Mr_Pardison join might work.
17:10 twoelk IhrFussel: maybe factions?
17:11 IhrFussel Aren't factions more like guilds? What I got is a group of up to 4 players..they can switch groups at any time
17:12 Mr_Pardison hmm......
17:13 IhrFussel Maybe I should just name it group... I'll do that if too many players find it to be confusing
17:14 Mr_Pardison group works as an overall thing.
17:14 Mr_Pardison faction seems a bit divisive.
17:16 Shara party is the most common from what I know...
17:16 Shara Most people who make comments will be joking about it, not confused
17:16 Shara At least in my experience
17:16 Fixer eh, you can hardly fit mc 1.12.2 into 256 mb of vram after exsessive walking
17:16 IhrFussel Shara, or they probably never played an MMORPG in their life xP
17:17 Mr_Pardison clan
17:17 Mr_Pardison that might work.
17:20 IhrFussel Now to implement the bonuses if the player is with others in a party... will hopefully not be as complex as the creation/invitation/exit code
17:23 Shara Mr P, that would make no sense
17:24 Mr_Pardison clan is a group of like minded individuals who share a common goal.
17:25 Mr_Pardison can be any number of players.
17:35 Shara clan is usually something more permanent
17:36 Mr_Pardison yeah....
17:37 Mr_Pardison needs name for a temporary group.
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17:51 celeron55 party tends to mean something relatively small and non-permanent
17:51 Mr_Pardison celeron55: political parties have lasted a long time.
17:51 celeron55 in games
17:54 Mr_Pardison in games, they don't last long.
18:27 Jordach ^^^
18:29 IhrFussel Does MT write the mod storage data after each set call?
18:30 IhrFussel Or map_interval?
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18:34 Krock IhrFussel, map interval
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19:01 IhrFussel Is colored text in formspecs possible?
19:01 Krock yes.
19:01 IhrFussel Maybe the wiki is outdated regarding that subject but I cannot find a "textcolor"
19:02 Krock you're looking too far. minetest.colorize()
19:02 IhrFussel Ah so it works in formspecs too..okay thanks
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20:28 tumeninodes https://haxe.org/
20:28 tumeninodes !title
20:28 MinetestBot tumeninodes: Home - Haxe - The Cross-platform Toolkit
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20:30 tumeninodes I had posted that link on the forum, and was just reminded by someone that I may not have ever posted it here. Thought it may interest some
20:46 Jordach tumeninodes: you could say, it's haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax
20:49 Fixer .io
20:50 tumeninodes haxe body spray... hacky as hell
21:06 Calinou wallhaxe
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21:14 Mr_Pardison https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/415
21:14 Mr_Pardison my pr for technic
21:15 IhrFussel BTW why oes the mod storage data get sent to clients?? Makes no sense...does the client receive the mod_storage folder files of the world?
21:15 IhrFussel does*
21:24 sofar the client doesn't get any part of it
21:25 sofar mod_storage is purely server-only and that data doesn't get sent to the client
21:32 red-001 IhrFussel, node meta does not mod storage
21:32 red-001 IhrFussel, node meta does, not mod storage*
21:32 IhrFussel Huh but it says that
21:33 IhrFussel http://dev.minetest.net/StorageRef
21:33 IhrFussel "The mod storage's data is sent to client, don't store sensitive stuff here such as passwords."
21:38 IhrFussel So whoever wrote the article was misinformed I guess
21:40 red-001 IhrFussel, fixed
21:48 sofar wiki dev == always incorrect
21:49 sofar the storage ref used to be only used for nodemeta
21:49 sofar that is sent to the client
21:49 sofar (otherwise you can't do node formspecs, essentially)
21:49 sofar but now the class is used for a bunch of things
21:50 sofar and thus the documentation is outdated (to say the least)
21:50 Jordach tbh i always refer to the lua_api.txt
21:50 Jordach always correct
21:51 sofar for most values of "always"
21:56 IhrFussel sofar, I assumed it would be the updated article cause it was changed in June last year...not that long ago
21:57 IhrFussel Most likely the person who updated it forgot to remove that sentence
21:57 AndroBuilder_ would it be a lot of work to expand the privilage areas mod with a control of WorldEdit selected areas? and also a list of saved areas to edit or delete them?
21:58 AndroBuilder_ thanks sofar :)
21:58 sofar Shara: mind giving AndroBuilder_ permanent voice ? they run an educational server
21:58 AndroBuilder_ thanks Shara and sofar and i'm running a test-edu-server ... since i'm inexperienced so far ... but try to work on that :D
21:59 sofar hmmm glueing WE to areas? I suppose that makes sense
21:59 IhrFussel The dev wiki is better formatted sometimes, that's why I prefer it ... I look into lua_api.txt when I find no article about it on the wiki or the article is very old
21:59 sofar I wonder if you could just patch areas to detect WE and add an appropriate command
22:01 AndroBuilder_ it would ... as i said i just started using all those but i can create areas with privalages ... but can't edit nor delete them? or list them unless i'm connected to the server with ssh ... which i'm not all day since the school follows a very very restricted policy and i'm happy to have them open this one port so the students can play on the server at home
22:01 Shara Sure, and done. :)
22:03 AndroBuilder_ don't know what is easier to achieve ... expand WE to have priv.areas or the other way around
22:03 sofar the logical place would be to expand areas
22:04 sofar the logic would become something like `if (we_detected) then minetest.register_chatcommand("//areas", .....) end
22:05 sofar this way all that areas needs to know about is how to get the coordinates from worldedit and it can do with them what it wants (modify, add, etc)
22:07 AndroBuilder_ and am i correct at the moment there is no edditing of saved areas in this mod?
22:23 lumberJ AndroBuilder you might consider using the advanced areas protection mod instead
22:23 lumberJ depending on what other capacities you would like to have
22:23 lumberJ i believe the api would support granting and revoking privs based on being in an area with very little modification
22:24 lumberJ and allow you to easily edit those areas in game
22:25 AndroBuilder_ lumberJ: might be a good idea ... i don't have done anything in lua yet so it's a little hard to see what is easier to do but in general i need to setup and edit areas so the sutdents have different privs (creative and fly for example only in a certain area) ... in addition to that edditing and deleting/listing the areas would help to keep track
22:26 AndroBuilder_ and last ... once a student leaves this creative area ... they should "loose" their inventory ... or at least all they didn't have before
22:28 lumberJ i've been working a lot on modding related to adjusting various things depending on player location, and I have found the advanced areas mod fairly complete as a basis to build off of
22:28 lumberJ plus you have the added benefit of being able to protect and have students protect their work on the server
22:29 lumberJ I am quite interested in supporting educators using minetest
22:29 AndroBuilder_ here i am :)
22:29 lumberJ so feel free to get in touch with any specific issues: jwmannin@gmail.com
22:29 sofar there's a few teachers lurking on the forums
22:29 lumberJ and i am in irc here and elsewhere regularly
22:29 sofar I've helped some of them setup servers and maps
22:30 lumberJ you will definitely find help here :)
22:30 AndroBuilder_ discuss details here? or pm?
22:31 lumberJ its up to you. there are certainly more proficent modders than me here
22:31 lumberJ but not everyone may have the time to dig into code into detail, so feel free to contact me privately as well
22:32 AndroBuilder_ server is u and running ... took me a while and sofar ... right now i still have one problem with the ubuntu server ... i need the minetest server to auto-restart if it crashes ... because it might take 2 days to be back in school to restart the entire server ?! how would i do this ... systemd everybody said but i don't know how
22:33 lumberJ if you'd like to join my channel on freenode, we can talk more there to not flood this channel with specific issues
22:33 lumberJ its at #City-States
22:34 sofar AndroBuilder_: one sec
22:34 sofar I'll show you a service file that I use
22:34 AndroBuilder_ great
22:34 red-001 s y s t e m d incoming?
22:35 Fixer r e s i s t
22:35 Fixer font align nicely
22:35 tumeninodes red-001, you just made me spit rice all over my desk
22:35 red-001 n i c e
22:35 sofar https://gist.github.com/ahkok/9​310c5a9d7c1ee9f01e1a9f889051de8
22:36 sofar AndroBuilder_: please note that you may have to modify it, and place a copy of `minetest.conf` as `server.conf` inside the world folder
22:36 sofar as well as make sure the User=<username> is correct, as well as the path to the world folder is correct
22:36 sofar but that unit is the most consistent way of doing it imho
22:37 Fixer new 0.4.17 build
22:37 sofar AndroBuilder_: copy that file to /etc/systemd/system/minetest.service
22:37 sofar edit... systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl start minetest
22:38 AndroBuilder_ i will try this tomorrow ... two questions about this :)
22:38 AndroBuilder_ 1) will this work on raspbian ... i assume yes because as far as i know it uses systemd ...
22:39 sofar disclaimer: I work professionally for Intel on ClearLinux.
22:39 AndroBuilder_ 2) i have the minetest installation all in one folder /..../minetest/bin/minetestserver     (and /.../minetest/worlds/TestWorld/world.mt)
22:40 sofar so I kinda don't do raspberry stuff :)
22:40 sofar you can adjust the paths as needed, obviously
22:40 sofar you can change `minetest --server` to `minetestserver`, yes
22:41 sofar just fix the file you create up so all the paths are good
22:41 sofar under WorkingDirectory should be the world folder
22:41 sofar under ExecStart obviously the full path (don't use $HOME or ~) to your binary
22:42 sofar and replace the username with the proper unix name that /..../ is owned by, of course
22:43 AndroBuilder_ which username? ah the folder it is in you mean
22:43 * Fixer .oO(0.5.0-git compile time)
22:44 sofar whatever user owns /TestWorld/ is what you want to put in there
22:48 AndroBuilder_ will try this in a min
23:04 ircSparky I'm trying to have player rightclickable, but the on_use callback dosnt seem to be working https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sBptjdNdtg/
23:04 ircSparky the chat is not being sent
23:05 sofar don't re-register the hand
23:05 sofar override the item instead
23:06 ircSparky oh
23:08 ircSparky "Attempt to override non-existent item :"
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23:11 Fixer more tree schems = orgasmic
23:12 sofar maybe you need to depend on the mod that adds the basic hand item? e.g. 'default' ?
23:21 sofar seems luaentities have an on_rightclick() handler, but players don't have one of those?
23:28 Fixer sofar: remember those skeleton keys? riiiiight, still not renameable (and tbh not sure how to rename those anyway and octacian is absent)
23:29 sofar shrug
23:30 Fixer wonder if anyone used them IRL
23:30 Fixer after merge
23:31 Fixer hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
23:32 Fixer whole renamer thing may be a bit overblown
23:32 Fixer why not to add simple "Seal" item, you can give name to it, and then you apply it on any block, it gets name of the seal
23:35 sofar well the keys get a description when they're fitted to a chest or door, right?
23:36 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/craftitems.lua#L243
23:36 sofar that should still work
23:36 sofar skeleton keys themselves shouldn't be renamed. Don't see why you couldn't do so, but they're just skeleton keys.
23:37 red-001 on that topic does anyone really use the book writing features?
23:37 Fixer red-001: i'm using books during exploration
23:37 Fixer to write down stuff I see
23:37 Fixer sofar: you sure? o_0 one sec
23:39 Fixer sofar: it does! WTH... what was original issue then...
23:39 Fixer maybe I missed some PR
23:39 Fixer key to X chest, totally fine
23:40 Fixer "key to singleplayer's door", fine
23:41 Fixer we probably wanted ability to rename it, right
23:44 ircSparky addind default to depends.txt dosnt help
23:44 ircSparky adding*
23:44 paramat is renaming keys not essential then? i had the impression it was and that was the reason for octacian's workbench (which likely will not be added now, he may be moving to Minecore) do we need a simple renaming tool?
23:45 red-001 paramat, he said he wants to work on his own game so I imagine he doesn't have much time for mt or minecore
23:45 paramat ok
23:46 red-001 maybe someone else should work on getting it mergable then?
23:47 paramat workbench is not a well thought out thing and barely developed
23:47 paramat see thread
23:47 paramat i'd prefer a simple renaming tool, maybe used in craft grid
23:48 Shara Did it exist only to rename things?
23:49 Shara Because I never understood how a work bench made sense for that
23:50 Shara Seems more like something you'd use an engraving tool or marker pen for :P
23:51 Fixer paramat: renaming is good, i'm thinking on alternative, I will post a post later
23:51 Shara Renaming certain things is fine as an idea. Just... why a workbench?
23:51 Shara I'd expect to use a work bench for all kinds of other things.
23:55 Fixer my idea about alternative approach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_​game/pull/1592#issuecomment-365446596
23:55 Fixer of renaming
23:56 Fixer aka seal
23:57 Fixer using seal to rename stuff and making books author-proof (and read-only in the process)
23:57 Fixer requires just one item
23:57 Fixer no hard questions
23:59 Shara A seal would make sense for books but how does that work for other things?
23:59 Shara Fixer: to be honest, that sounds like a nice feature for books, but it doesn't sound like a good renaming approach
23:59 paramat yes the workbench was submitted for inclusion with the idea that 'more features would be added later', i insisted the features that justify it should be there from the start, and lucky i did, the author moved on

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