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00:05 Fixer instead of ban will be nice to have some kind of post limiter, say 1 post per day for 1 month
00:06 celeron55 yeah, again... phpbb
00:06 celeron55 screw phpbb
00:06 tumeninodes smf celeron55..., smf
00:06 celeron55 there's no end to these obviously good ideas that just don't exist
00:07 Sokomine celeron55: all forum software is somewhat...suboptimal. i miss good old usenet news
00:07 tumeninodes far more modules/options available
00:07 celeron55 i'm pretty certain usenet news is also suboptimal
00:08 celeron55 tumeninodes: more doesn't mean "those that we need"
00:08 celeron55 phpbb has a boatload of options
00:08 celeron55 out of which maybe 5% are useful
00:09 celeron55 the only reasonable way to go is extendability via a stable interface
00:09 tumeninodes but probably more of what you "do" need
00:09 tumeninodes and "true" to your most recent comment
00:09 celeron55 does smf have a stable plugin interface?
00:10 tumeninodes mmmmm... I believe so
00:10 Sokomine celeron55: it was a lot easier to ignore posters or threads with a common newsreader. no need to add to a mysterious "foes" list, no clicking of unintresting threads just to get them marked as read, no the-forum-has-to-keep-track-of-what-i-read
00:10 rubenwardy how do you use a newsreader with phpbb?
00:14 Sokomine you can't. that's the trouble. newsreaders where very useful configurable keyboard-controllable software. forum sites lack means for efficient reading. about all the advantage they've got is easy-to-use for cueless people and images
00:15 celeron55 harder to use for spambots is also a pretty good feature
00:15 celeron55 not that you really get any of that with a standard phpbb install, but... sometimes you do
00:18 Sokomine the forum gets hit by spambots from time to time. luckily the moderators do a good job and remove it fast
00:21 tumeninodes botz be botz... and always will be
00:21 rubenwardy not anymore
00:21 tumeninodes why, did you kill them rubenwardy? haha
00:22 rubenwardy new users have to have posts approved, which kills spammers
00:22 tumeninodes awesome
00:22 red-001 ah so those are teh measures
00:23 tumeninodes rubenwardy knows how to kill
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00:30 * Sokomine takes a sword from one of the moderators and kills sofar for building an impressive puzzle box with annoying jumping parts
00:30 tumeninodes inside the box rulez
00:51 Shara Sadly I share Sokomine's frustration to the point of not feeling interested in the server
00:52 tumeninodes I have not gone on in a while but, I love dying in lava
00:55 Sokomine Shara: there are some very nice boxes. it's just that extremly annoying jumping :-( just doesn't work for me
00:55 Shara It's just a huge turn off for me.
00:56 Sokomine ..and i even jump around pointlessly out of fun sometimes in the game as such. but aimed jumping...seldom works
00:56 tumeninodes I never got into the whole parkour thing but I like ITB
00:56 Shara I can do it just... the server feels like it has so much promise in terms of being something other than that... then it throws that at me, and there's better jumping around type games elsewhere
00:56 tumeninodes I really wish someone could do one like pitfall with vines... so I could do some serious dying
00:57 Shara So the moment I hit any kind of jumping around thing there, it's just quit time.
00:57 tumeninodes baby
00:57 tumeninodes do you pout too? haha
00:58 Shara Then, but I poke. Usually in eyes :)
00:58 tumeninodes <backs away slowly>
00:58 Shara Hehehe
00:58 Sokomine Shara: yes...mostly the same here. i tried that box for a longer time (was really well done), but...the jumping is frustrating. if it's too much jumping i give up soon
00:59 tumeninodes killing something would be nice
00:59 tumeninodes kill this, it drops a key
00:59 Shara I hear CTF is good for random slaughter.
00:59 tumeninodes kill that, and it explodes and kills you
01:00 tumeninodes nah by the time you get there..., everyone is already dead...
01:00 tumeninodes cept this one dude
01:00 tumeninodes rupert? robin? ruben? that's it... rubenwardy
01:02 Shara I've also heard it can be very amusing to chase him with a sword.
01:03 tumeninodes that would be entertaining to see on youtuby
01:05 Sokomine hmm
01:05 * Sokomine hands a sword to a sandmob and walks away
01:12 tumeninodes that sound fairly irresponsible Sokomine
02:01 sofar btw, the idea of itb isn't to dictate what types of boxes people make
02:01 sofar that would be silly
02:02 sofar we just want people to make the boxes they like making
02:02 sofar so, some people make jumping boxes
02:02 sofar some people make lava boxes
02:02 sofar some people make switches everywhere
02:02 sofar my boxes are mostly a balanced mix, but, I'm only 1 of ~30 box builders
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02:09 Sokomine maybe you ought to label them so that players can choose the type they like
02:21 Shara ^
02:21 Shara If I could just play and pick what I felt like, I'd be happy to spend some time there.
02:22 Shara I also seemed to be stuck repeating thigns I already did last time I was there, since apparently I'm not past the tutorial even though I remember having done the levels before, and it makes it kind of dull
02:24 Shara It's just frustrating because it's close enough to what I hoped to do that I really want to be able to enjoy it :)
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04:51 tumeninodes if I have a nodebox slab, is it possible for me to set the space above it (which makes up the rest of a full node) as air? And if yes, how? I need an example. This is just for a ridiculous idea that just popped in my head
05:01 tumeninodes can a new table be added such as perhaps "air_above = {"
05:04 tumeninodes or, not table... whatver it's called, added to param2 (really wish I knew this $hit better)
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05:12 paramat the rest of the space is already air essentially
05:13 tumeninodes I know, it's just I had an idea, probably stupid but now it's gnawing at my brain
05:13 paramat but the space above the slab can't be considered a separate node as then you would have 2 nodes at 1 pos
05:13 tumeninodes I have done this before :P
05:14 tumeninodes I know about 2 nodes in one nodespace and I defy it haha
05:14 paramat you can have a node elsewhere that extends into another node though
05:14 paramat such as kelp in mtg
05:14 tumeninodes my thinking is related to the water problem with stair and slab nodes
05:14 tumeninodes I was thinking that too maybe that method could be used somehow
05:15 tumeninodes I was just looking at the code for kelp
05:15 paramat yes a similar approach can be used already
05:16 tumeninodes that method should also be added to grass 1-5 as they sometimes find their way under water as well (unless it already has)
05:16 paramat the slab or stair would be a full cubic node plus an extension into the node above, the extension is the slab or stair shape
05:17 tumeninodes would this inhibit other nodes being set above them?
05:17 paramat the slab/stair could then coexist with a water node above
05:17 tumeninodes would be nice
05:18 paramat any node would be addable above, not just liquids
05:18 tumeninodes hmmm
05:19 paramat land grasses do not appear underwater in mapgen so it's not worth the complexity
05:20 paramat so how do you defy and get 2 nodes at 1 pos then?
05:21 tumeninodes I guess that makes sense. although if as a result of landscaping, it does happen too... one has to go around punching it out, as it looks odd. Besides grass does sometimes gorw underwater as in lakes
05:21 tumeninodes I hack it hahaha. It was a mistake I made once and then I just went with it...
05:21 tumeninodes my stackslabs mod (but it affects nodes being placed above)
05:22 tumeninodes I set the coords of the node to the top of the node below and viola
05:23 tumeninodes I've used the same method with a couple other things as well
05:24 tumeninodes setting a window or gate into an arched window node in stoneworks
05:24 tumeninodes that was done by setting the positions to the node behind
05:26 tumeninodes but right now my brain is fixated at trying to resolve the slab and stair node/water issue, because it's driving me nuts for a long time now
05:31 paramat just make a nodebox that extends halfway into the node above, or plus extra bits on top for stairs
05:37 tumeninodes not sure how that is done but will try. is it just a matter of adding a second {positions go here}, line? Eh, I'll goof around with it and if I can't figure it out I will just open an issue and let the pros do it :D. thank you paramat
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09:47 tenplus1 hi folks
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11:21 tenplus1 o/
11:21 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated to 1.31 - Added Pineapple (also juice)
11:26 Megaf Hi tenplus1
11:26 tenplus1 hi Megaf
11:27 Megaf rubenwardy: so, just made a simple compile test here, the 4 threads Atom from Kimsufi vs 4 threads ARMv7 from that dedicated Jordach suggested
11:28 Megaf using builtin lua, gmp, json and using systems sqlite3
11:28 Megaf ARM {
11:28 Megaf real    11m25.739s
11:28 Megaf user    41m4.640s
11:28 Megaf sys     1m0.380s
11:28 Megaf }
11:28 Megaf Intel Atom {
11:28 Megaf real    13m43.317s
11:28 Megaf user    48m6.320s
11:28 Megaf sys     3m27.176s
11:28 Megaf }
11:29 tenplus1 arm was faster, nice... what Ghz are each running
11:29 Megaf No idea whats the GHz of the ARM CPU
11:29 tenplus1 model ?
11:30 Megaf Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800   @ 1.86GHz
11:30 Megaf tenplus1: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) that's all I know
11:31 tenplus1 1000mhz
11:31 tenplus1 wow, slower ghz than atom but faster compile time :D nice
11:31 Megaf tenplus1: well, 4 real cores vs 4 fake cores
11:32 tenplus1 am surprised that an arm desktop hasn't made an appearance yet
11:32 Megaf tenplus1: And I presume it uses less power too
11:32 tenplus1 2watts vs intel atom 48watt
11:32 Megaf iPhone and Samsung CPUs are already way more powerful than my Core2Duo...
11:32 tenplus1 my atom 1.8 dual core ht is good but yeah, mobiles kick it's ass
11:34 Megaf Ok, I have two identical Megaf Servers online, one is ARM the other is ATOM
11:35 Megaf same compiler, same OS, same build options
11:35 Megaf !server Megaf Server TEST
11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
11:35 Megaf !server Megaf
11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
11:35 Megaf !server Megaf Server v4
11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
11:35 Megaf meh
11:35 tenplus1 lol
11:35 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003
11:35 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (10ms)
11:35 Megaf Atom ^
11:36 Megaf !up 163.172.154.119 30003
11:36 MinetestBot 163.172.154.119:30003 is up (11ms)
11:36 Megaf ARM ^
11:36 Megaf both in France :D
11:36 tenplus1 negligable diff
11:36 Megaf ok, Imma gonna have lunch now. feel free to test. cya
11:37 tenplus1 ehehe, laters dude
11:37 tenplus1 might make noms also :P
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11:43 tenplus1 o/ fixer
11:50 Fixer hi
11:58 Wayward_One Hi all :)
12:00 tenplus1 hi Wayward
12:00 tenplus1 o/
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12:04 tenplus1 hi fussel
12:07 IhrFussel Guys I made a command that should take 50 steel ingots from the player when sending it ... can anyone tell me how I get that specific item and only 50 of it?
12:08 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1
12:08 tenplus1 take_item(50)
12:09 tenplus1 check how this barter store does it: https://github.com/tenplus1​/money/blob/master/init.lua
12:10 tenplus1 it checks if they exist and then takes on trade
12:10 Megaf back
12:10 tenplus1 wb
12:11 IhrFussel Wait just a simple inv:remove_item() ?
12:11 tenplus1 yar :P
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12:28 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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12:40 tenplus1 hi aerozoic
12:41 aerozoic wazup tenplus1
12:41 tenplus1 tweaking textures :) added pineapple to farming redo
12:42 aerozoic Finally giving into demands?  XD
12:42 tenplus1 ehehe, textures are a bit crappy but it works :) pineapple juice added too
12:44 aerozoic oh hey tenplus1, i was wondering if you have your own server?
12:44 tenplus1 Xanadu
12:44 aerozoic OOOOh that's yours? Awesome
12:44 tenplus1 Shinji owns the server, I do the mods and features :P
12:45 aerozoic oh cool
12:45 aerozoic So all or most of your mods are on that server?
12:45 tenplus1 yeah, a good way to test them all :D
12:45 tenplus1 will hopefully add the new pineapple tonight
12:46 aerozoic Nice, i should check it out sometime.
12:46 aerozoic Oh i had another random thought, it's seems funny that farming redo has pepper but no salt.
12:47 tenplus1 was thinking of adding a simple recipe to cook a bucket of  water into salt (giving bac bucket)
12:49 aerozoic I was thinkin about that myself, there is no obvious way to make salt.
12:50 tenplus1 I'll draw a salt shaker and add recipe to cook water bucket into salt :)
12:51 aerozoic Sounds good to me.
12:51 tenplus1 and add group:salt so it can be used in all ercipes
13:03 tenplus1 git updated, salt added
13:08 tenplus1 I was thinking that instead of adding crops to the mapgen, maybe add a Garden Plant that when broken gives you 3x random crops
13:09 tenplus1 also adding utensils and pots/pans for specific recipe crafts
13:09 tenplus1 1x pumpkin + 1x knife = 9x slided pumpkin
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13:10 tenplus1 hi LJ
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13:26 tenplus1 hi mister
13:26 Mr_Pardison morning.
13:26 tenplus1 o/
13:33 Calinou hi
13:33 tenplus1 hi Cal
13:33 Mr_Pardison hello Calinou
13:34 Raven262 Hi Calinou, tenplus1.
13:35 tenplus1 hey Raven :P
13:36 Raven262 I've been here the whole time, just invisible :P
13:36 tenplus1 using ninja skills
13:36 * Mr_Pardison goes incognito
13:37 Raven262 Calinou, You might want to see this https://crpgbook.wordpress.com/2018/​02/05/update-19-crpg-book-released/
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14:06 tenplus1 hi twoelk
14:06 twoelk o/
14:07 Mr_Pardison \o twoelk
14:07 Calinou Raven262: I'm not into RPGs
14:07 Calinou Deus Ex is the most RPG-y thing I can tolerate :P
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14:09 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
14:09 RobbieF hey there tenplus1!
14:09 RobbieF how are you?
14:09 tenplus1 how's tricks ? am okie, working on a few mods
14:10 RobbieF great man. NEMS is doing very well and growing, and I'm releasing a new Plex Media Server distro for Raspberry Pi 3.
14:10 tenplus1 ooh nice one dude :)
14:11 tenplus1 seems arm servers are running smoother than intel atm
14:11 RobbieF NEMS is blowing up though - been an exciting time. Even Nagios themselves took notice.
14:11 RobbieF They're doing a case study on it.
14:11 RobbieF haha yeah really eh?
14:11 RobbieF smooth, just not fast.  LOL
14:11 tenplus1 Nagios ?
14:11 RobbieF but learning to milk it with things like ZFS
14:11 RobbieF whoops
14:11 Mr_Pardison did someone say tacos?
14:11 RobbieF fingers move faster than brain
14:11 RobbieF ZRAM
14:11 tenplus1 ehehe
14:12 RobbieF Nagios Inc I think it is? - the company that develops the monitoring software at the heart of NEMS (I used their open source version to build upon)
14:12 RobbieF maybe it's Nagios Foundation?  I unno.
14:12 tenplus1 heh, you're making it better
14:13 RobbieF Nagios is what Nasa uses to monitor their gear.
14:13 RobbieF Yeah, I actually am TBH.
14:13 RobbieF It's script-based.
14:13 RobbieF I made it a web gui
14:13 tenplus1 brb
14:13 RobbieF this month I wrote offsite backups into the software.
14:14 Mr_Pardison cool.
14:19 tenplus1 handy feature ;)
14:21 tenplus1 what's the overhead of running a nems setup ?
14:28 Raven262 Calinou, really?
14:28 Raven262 Well, I didn't really post it cause they are RPG-s, but because they are some older games.
14:29 tenplus1 classic content :D
14:29 * tenplus1 found a windows version of "Wizball" that's awesome (running through Wine 3.0 of course :)
14:30 * Mr_Pardison takes the wine and drinks it
14:30 Raven262 Its also fun reading how the elder scrolls series got dumber and dumber by each new game release.
14:30 tenplus1 aww, they forced them out for cash
14:30 * Raven262 installs a new wine then.
14:31 Raven262 Mostly, but everything seems to go bad when a small company that makes nice games gets bought by a larger one.
14:31 Raven262 (and everything goes to hell)
14:31 tenplus1 yeah... Psygnosis was bought over by Sony and it went downhill from there too
14:32 Raven262 But still, we've still got the old games to play them :D
14:32 tenplus1 emulators to the ready!
14:32 Raven262 I'm actually quite amazed at how good the wine works for me.
14:33 tenplus1 ubu 18.04 alpha comes with the new 3.0 stable which I was surprised about
14:33 Raven262 Oh, finally
14:33 tenplus1 got steam for windows running and it works well
14:34 Mr_Pardison nice.
14:34 Raven262 lol, lisac did that once.
14:34 tenplus1 some games I cant run on linux so wine handles those well enough :)
14:36 tenplus1 although I DO wish that games companies would release for linux as well...
14:36 Raven262 Yeah, its nice when they release something for linux.
14:37 Raven262 New games can't run on wine here
14:37 tenplus1 new games all seem to want DOTnet or something stupid to run them...
14:37 Mr_Pardison so nice when they do release a game for linux.
14:38 tenplus1 I installed "Shatter" and it wanted dotnet3.6 to which I cancelled it and it still ran
14:38 Raven262 Like dotnet is the future
14:38 tenplus1 why NEED something that isnt essential to the gameplay
14:38 tenplus1 microsoft crap!
14:38 Mr_Pardison ikr
14:39 RobbieF tenplus1 the overhead? Nothing. You just need a dedicated Raspberry Pi.
14:39 RobbieF It becomes the server/appliance.
14:39 RobbieF You can use it to monitor Minetest servers
14:39 tenplus1 woudl be handy robbie :) dont think shinji woudl be up for it tho :D
14:39 RobbieF :)
14:41 tenplus1 adding new farming changes is as good as it gets for now :D lolol
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14:43 tenplus1 hi thomas
14:43 Mr_Pardison morning ThomasMonroe
14:49 tenplus1 is anyone running 0.5.0 dev on their servers ?
15:11 * benrob0329 makes an appearance
15:12 benrob0329 Hey tenplus1, RobbieF, Mr_Pardison
15:12 tenplus1 hi benrob
15:12 benrob0329 I have decided...to learn python *croud gasps*
15:13 Mr_Pardison hello
15:13 tenplus1 heh, you got a use for learning python ?
15:13 * Mr_Pardison isn't part of that crowd
15:14 RobbieF hey benrob0329
15:14 benrob0329 Lua just isnt general purpose enough for what I wabt to do
15:14 benrob0329 The libraries are all odd or nonexistent
15:15 tenplus1 yeah, in need of a good GUI library on all platforms for lua
15:15 tenplus1 but python is that at leaast
15:15 benrob0329 and a good http library for all platforms
15:15 tenplus1 yeah...  Deluge was a kewl torrent prog made in python, remember it well :D
15:16 benrob0329 I mean we have curl but thats not for anything more than one time connections afaik
15:17 tenplus1 kinda wish all the libs/progs using python2 would hurry up and be upgraded to 3.x...
15:18 benrob0329 tenplus1: most of them have afaik
15:19 benrob0329 But the best GUI for lua is LGI
15:19 tenplus1 sad to say but GIMP still depends on python2....
15:19 benrob0329 Which is GoObject, and the Gnome devs are about as far from considerate as I can think of
15:20 tenplus1 lua should have LGI packaged and ready on all platforms as standard, a gui is needed in any base language these days
15:20 benrob0329 I think having a good gui is more important than packaging it by default
15:20 benrob0329 Python has PyQT and Kivy for example
15:21 tenplus1 lua has none in the repo's, gotta compile it all yourself
15:21 tenplus1 should be a base lib
15:22 benrob0329 But for comparison between Lua and Python: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1697751
15:23 benrob0329 Very small program, butit strikes me how much cleaner the python is
15:24 sfan5 <benrob0329> I mean we have curl but thats not for anything more than one time connections afaik
15:24 sfan5 wrong
15:24 tenplus1 hi sfan
15:24 sfan5 unlike many other http libraries, curl actually supports keeping connections alive for further requests
15:24 benrob0329 sfan5: oh cool, did not know that
15:24 sfan5 curl does pretty much everything you might need in a http library
15:25 sfan5 not sure what kind of "good http library" you're looking for...
15:25 benrob0329 Something better than LuaSocket and more cross platform than LuaHTTP
15:26 tenplus1 isnt python a LOT bigger than lua though
15:26 benrob0329 Or I was, I'm not continuing down the general purpose Lua path
15:27 sfan5 lua is indeed not good for general purpose appliations
15:27 benrob0329 tenplus1: yes, but it has a lot more with it
15:28 tenplus1 true
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15:46 tenplus1 hi CBugDCoder
15:46 CBugDCoder hi ten
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15:59 tenplus1 hi astorian
16:21 IhrFussel Please can someone help? My server crashes sometimes a lot of times cause of this: 2018-02-08 17:10:26: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'stamina' in callback luaentity_Step(): Runtime error from mod 'stamina' in callback on_player_hpchange(): ...t/worlds/oldserver/worldmods/​3d_armor/3d_armor/armor.lua:557: attempt to ind
16:21 IhrFussel 2018-02-08 17:10:26: ERROR[Main]: x a nil value
16:22 tenplus1 which stamina mod are you using, the one from minetest-mods or my fork ?
16:22 IhrFussel armor.lua:557 is "if minetest.registered_items[item].description then"
16:23 IhrFussel The one from minetest-mods I think ... but stamina isn't causing it I think since the error line is in armor.lua
16:24 sfan5 classic mistake
16:24 sfan5 items can be undefined
16:24 sfan5 needs to be "if minetest.registered_items[item].description and minetest.registered_items[item].description then"
16:24 tenplus1 yuyp
16:25 IhrFussel You mean one time without .description?
16:25 sfan5 yes
16:25 sfan5 sorry, my mistake
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16:26 atorian37 hi tenplus1
16:26 tenplus1 wb atorian
16:26 atorian37 sorry got disc
16:26 IhrFussel sfan5, so it's likely caused by an armor piece that got removed?
16:26 sfan5 possible
16:30 tenplus1 add pull so it gets fixed fussel
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16:42 tenplus1 wb
16:42 ThomasMonroe thanks tenplus1
17:17 tenplus1 laters all
17:17 tenplus1 o/
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17:37 benrob0329 ghosting really is quite handy for when you have multiple devices
17:38 Mr_Pardison ah, the luxury of having multiple devices.
17:38 Mr_Pardison I wouldn't know it.
17:38 Mr_Pardison :P
17:42 red-001 !title
17:42 MinetestBot red-001: Sci-Fi Short Film - "Hyper-Reality" presented by DUST - YouTube
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17:51 Krock o/
17:52 Megaf Hi Krock
17:53 Krock hi Megaf
17:53 twoelk o/
17:53 Megaf !server Megaf Test
17:53 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
17:56 twoelk has anybody ever used wxlua? is it any good?
17:56 Megaf Anyone interested in helping testing a server running on a dedicated ARM server?
17:57 Megaf twoelk: what is it for?
17:58 twoelk http://wxlua.sourceforge.net/ can run standalone lua scripts
17:58 twoelk sort of
17:58 Sokomine tenplus1: pinapple juice sounds great :-) please keep a glass for me
17:59 Megaf Somebody had a board that could run lua via hardware
17:59 twoelk wxLua homepage says: wrapper around the wxWidgets cross-platform C++ GUI library
18:00 * twoelk used to eat fresh pineapple until the mouth bleeded as kid
18:00 * twoelk spent part of his childhood near pineapple fields
18:00 Megaf oh
18:01 Megaf I used to lots of some sort of berry
18:01 benrob0329 twoelk: looked abandoned last I checked
18:01 Megaf mulberry
18:02 twoelk mango, rambutan, pineapple, bananas the fruit diet I grew up on
18:02 Megaf can't find mulberry in ireland tho
18:02 Megaf I grow up with mulberries, bananas, apples and water melons
18:03 twoelk abandoned , yeah, could well be
18:03 Mr_Pardison mm..... mango.
18:03 twoelk oh, water melons too of course
18:03 Megaf [02:37:48] <wilkgr> Today, I have two devices on my desk that support Lua scripting
18:03 Megaf [02:38:16] <wilkgr> (TI-Nspire and ESP8266)
18:03 Megaf [02:38:50] <wilkgr> not to mention how many games that I play that have Lua scripting interfaces
18:03 Megaf There ^
18:03 Megaf Lua via hardware
18:03 Megaf Solution for all Minetest performance problems
18:03 Megaf we just need to find a way of interfacing that thing
18:04 twoelk wxlua looked sort of promissing :-(
18:05 benrob0329 twoelk: iup or lgi are your best bets
18:05 benrob0329 I just did this research :PP
18:06 twoelk binding to [GObject based] libraries? can't parse
18:06 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NodeMCU
18:06 Megaf !title
18:06 MinetestBot Megaf: NodeMCU - Wikipedia
18:06 Megaf http://www.nodemcu.com/
18:06 Megaf !title
18:06 MinetestBot Megaf: NodeMcu.com
18:07 Megaf Lua based firmware and microcontroller
18:07 twoelk [Crazy Eddy's GUI system] sounds like an interesting name
18:07 * twoelk is browsing http://lua-users.org/wiki/Gr​aphicalUserInterfaceToolkits
18:08 benrob0329 twoelk: I couldn't find any recent documentation on CEGUI's lua interface
18:08 benrob0329 there are some bindings to qt4, if you don't mind outdated bindings
18:09 benrob0329 or Love2D + Nuklear (or similar)
18:09 twoelk CEGUI? - reminds me somehow of a name in a comic by Moebius
18:09 benrob0329 but the Gui world for Lua is really sparse
18:09 benrob0329 twoelk: Crazy Eddy's GUI
18:10 twoelk LOL
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18:28 twoelk hm , CEGUI supports Irrlicht
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18:51 Mr_Pardison quick question.
18:51 Mr_Pardison what's the range of attack for a mobile player?
18:52 Mr_Pardison as in how far away can they attack someone from where they are.
18:55 sfan5 however far the item range is set for the hand item
18:55 sfan5 (only applies if anticheat is enabled)
18:55 Mr_Pardison for the default diamond sword.
18:58 Krock that's 4 by default AFAIK
18:58 Mr_Pardison by default.
18:59 Mr_Pardison but one player said that they can hit things from 50 nodes away.
18:59 Krock there was a bug recently that caused an unlimited interact distance in the 3rd person perspective
18:59 Mr_Pardison jeez.
18:59 Wayward_One on android 0.4.16 there's a bug that lets you interact very far away, but that's been fixed in 0.5.0-dev
18:59 Krock where recently = a few months ago
18:59 sfan5 that bug is client-side so it doesn't really matter
18:59 Wayward_One not just third person in my experience
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19:32 IhrFussel Guys it still happens sometimes that the protections don't load after a restart...no error from io.open() it seems
19:35 IhrFussel Maybe the error happens in minetest.deserialize()...will add a log to that
19:37 red-001 IhrFussel, you could try the patch I made
19:38 IhrFussel red-001, post link again please
19:45 red-001 https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/pull/28
19:47 Fixer mmmmm, moebious
19:48 Megaf twoelk: sofar: gentlemen. I could do with a piece of advice.
19:49 Mr_Pardison what? Megaf asking for advice?
19:49 Megaf So, I am applying for this job as IT/Network Manager for this college.
19:49 Megaf I am trying to find things that are wrong, things that could be improved and how to fix and improve things
19:49 Megaf as well implementing new stuff
19:50 Megaf One of the thing I cam up with is using user based auth for the wifi
19:50 Megaf instead of a single password for everything
19:50 Megaf and separating access in students, staff and guests
19:51 Megaf each with a proper access rights to the interwebs
19:51 Mr_Pardison different networks for each or just a single network?
19:51 Megaf also, I would implement a local web proxy to cache the most accessed website
19:51 twoelk hehe, so they will always need you as rights-manager
19:51 Mr_Pardison job security!
19:51 Megaf staff will be automatically in a VPN once they login
19:52 Megaf student will have optional web proxy and a not so strict firewall rules
19:52 Megaf guests would have very strict firewall rules and enfornced proxy
19:52 twoelk several networks might help against single point of failure scenarios
19:52 red-001 wouldn't almost every site using https mess up that cache idea?
19:53 Megaf twoelk: that is interesting
19:53 Megaf red-001: nope
19:53 Mr_Pardison Megaf: give me a sec to pull up the nets we have here at school.
19:53 Megaf twoelk:one thing that I was thinking was making IP address follow the user, not sure if that would be good
19:54 Megaf and IP leases would be 24 hours long
19:54 Megaf I'd implement redundancy in the firewal too
19:54 twoelk IP-address as personal id?
19:54 Megaf kinda
19:54 twoelk you would need some central handler
19:54 Megaf or maybe just for staff
19:54 Megaf I'm looking at things like RADIUS
19:54 Mr_Pardison 6 different networks but the most used ones are the -student and the locked one for staff. Includes guest network (requires a login password to use).
19:55 Megaf tho I don't quite like it's security
19:55 Megaf and with WPA2 once you are in you can sniff everything
19:55 Megaf same thing for cable, once you plug in you can sniff
19:56 Megaf so one solution for this would be a WPS2 network, with captive portal, that would then put people in a VPN
19:56 Megaf I'm just not quite sure how to implement that
19:56 Megaf opinions so far?
19:57 Megaf *I know it's complicated. hence the need for good documentation and the need to keep be employed once hired :P
19:57 Mr_Pardison captive portal is what is used for the guest wifi network.
19:57 Mr_Pardison for the student one, you have to have a school email address to be able to use it.
19:58 Megaf above I saud WPS, I mean WPA
19:58 Megaf Mr_Pardison: problem is, user based auth is either WPA or WEP
19:58 Megaf extremely unsafe
19:58 red-001 on the topic of WPA2 how was that protocol weakness in it fixed without writing a new standard?
19:58 Mr_Pardison ik.
19:59 Mr_Pardison that's the problem I have with it.
19:59 Megaf check to security protocol in use
19:59 Megaf the*
20:00 Megaf I have around 1:30 hours of attention remaining, I want to use it to come up with ideas and put in the document
20:00 Megaf ah, also I'd like to implement a local software repositorio for the software we use that is freely available on the internet
20:00 Mr_Pardison and I was going to install wireshark on my computer and see if I can get access to the staff network and then show them how vulnerable it is.
20:00 Megaf Mr_Pardison: spoof you MAC before that
20:01 Megaf or buy a cheepo wifi nic
20:01 Mr_Pardison well, duh.
20:01 sfan5 red-001: it was just an implementation issue afaik
20:02 Megaf about the local software repo, then things like wireshark, eclipse, dia, libreoffice, windows trials and some linux distros would all be in a local server, we wouldnt saturate the network
20:02 Megaf I mean, the external link
20:02 Megaf their pipe is not that big
20:02 red-001 sfan5, funny sort of implementation issue then if literally every implementation of WPA had it
20:03 Megaf twoelk: sofar: and the holy grail I think would be implementing a MESH network and voluntary p2p storage. Tho that would be more complicated I think
20:03 red-001 I guess no-one thought about it but still
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20:04 Megaf welcome back CBugDCoder
20:05 CBugDCoder thx Megaf
20:05 Megaf to control all that I'd use something like pfSense, there's plenty of nice plugins for it
20:06 Megaf tho myself I rather use something Debian based, custom solution by myself with a custom build hardware
20:06 Megaf currently they have one AP per classroom
20:06 Megaf it's a small building, I recon I could use one AP per floor with a powerful omni directional antenna
20:07 Megaf and 1 watt radios
20:07 Megaf I'd be still using 802.11b since it works well and it's very well supported by several devices
20:07 Megaf and maybe even 802.11a, because 5 GHz
20:08 Megaf All sharing same SSID for easy migration between APs
20:08 twoelk I have a portableapps.com repo on the company server and smaller more specific ones on local machines. makes updating and moving things around super easy
20:08 Megaf ok, one hour left of attention, better put some stuff on paper
20:08 * Mr_Pardison leaves this to twoelk
20:08 Megaf for public software repo I most likely would use something distributed
20:09 Mr_Pardison I'm out of my depth with this one.
20:09 Megaf like, one file server per floor with a 10 gpbs link to the APs
20:09 twoelk I point the local update requests of paf to may server repo so that they can't download wildly
20:09 Megaf Mr_Pardison: now we are leaving knowledge territory and entering experience territory
20:09 Mr_Pardison yup
20:10 Megaf twoelk: well, I just want something like, students and staff type http://collegename.com/Software_Repo
20:10 Megaf and then they can just download stuff
20:11 Megaf I thought about using Torrent for that, because P2P and would remove local from teh servers, tho I dont want the torrent to lean into the web
20:11 Megaf I mean, it wouldnt be a problem with LibreOffice, Dia and Eclipse
20:11 Megaf but what about Windows ISOs?
20:12 * Megaf looks at Shara
20:12 Megaf Not sure whoelse here with experience in IT infrastructure
20:15 Calinou <Mr_Pardison> captive portal is what is used for the guest wifi network.
20:15 Calinou some university networks (like eduroam) have an option to not use a captive portal, but rather a proper authentication protocol
20:15 Calinou so you enter username/password in your OS directly
20:15 Calinou this is supported on all OSes out t here
20:15 Calinou there*
20:15 sofar Megaf: 802.1x
20:16 Calinou I don't remember how it's called
20:16 Mr_Pardison Calinou: ik that since that's what the guest network page says right on it (Captive Portal Authorization)
20:16 Calinou (even though I'm using it at my current university)
20:16 twoelk win-iso (plural)? sounds like some traffic
20:17 Calinou you can't distribute Windows ISOs legally
20:17 Calinou what kind of university requires downloading Windows ISOs from their network? :P
20:18 Megaf [20:15:32] <Calinou> some university networks (like eduroam) have an option to not use a captive portal, but rather a proper authentication protocol
20:18 Megaf [20:15:40] <Calinou> so you enter username/password in your OS directly
20:18 Megaf that what I want
20:18 Megaf tho I'm not conviced about the safety of that
20:18 Megaf all students and staff already have an UID and PSW
20:19 Calinou why would it be less safe? eduroam seems to be working fine
20:19 Megaf Calinou: sometimes we deploys windows server VMs to learn windows server...
20:19 Megaf for example
20:19 Calinou yeah, I see
20:19 Calinou just tell students to get ISOs at home :P
20:19 * Calinou hides
20:19 Calinou I have tons of ISOs on my NAS due to this
20:19 Megaf sofar: is 802.1x widely supported?
20:20 Megaf like Android 4.x, iOS 4.x, Windows XP, Kernel 3.x
20:20 Megaf Calinou: that's how it works currently
20:20 Calinou not sure about Windows XP, but it's EOL for 4 years now.
20:20 Calinou upgrade your mind :-)=
20:20 Calinou -=
20:21 Megaf Anyway, droid 4.x and iOS 4.x still common
20:21 Megaf well, apple is good at killing old IOSs
20:21 Mr_Pardison ping me on another irc channel if something comes up that I might like
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20:27 Megaf Calinou: is eduroam free/open?
20:32 Megaf Calinou: sofar: twoelk: Other thing that I've been thinking is caching main website, moodle and other essential websites locally and delivering a local version of it
20:32 Megaf basically a reverse proxy, yes
20:33 Calinou no idea
20:33 Calinou iOS 4.x is common? eh…
20:33 Calinou most users run the latest version, or N-1 version
20:33 Calinou Apple users are generally good on staying up-to-date
20:33 Calinou (with rare exceptions)
20:34 Calinou plus, Apple supports its devices for a long time, unlike Android OEMs
20:34 roben1430 >just installed lineageOS on s5 because OEM no longer supports device
20:35 Megaf LeneageOS community is a pain in the neck
20:35 Megaf very unfriendly
20:35 Megaf and they don't give a flying s*** for older devices
20:35 Megaf I tried
20:37 Megaf https://www.networkworld.com/article/2332​876/lan-wan/vendors-hit-the-802-1x-mark-f​or-access--but-security-holes-remain.html
20:37 Megaf !title
20:37 Megaf from 2004
20:37 MinetestBot Megaf: Vendors hit the 802.1X mark for access, but security holes remain | Network World
20:37 Megaf not safe
20:37 paramat Megaf too much offtopic today, please could you use a separate channel for long discussions about job stuff? :]
20:38 Megaf paramat: Not sure.
20:39 sfan5 go to #minetest
20:39 * Megaf sees -Hub as a community of people with a common interest in Minetest. People that are happy in helping each other succeed
20:39 paramat see channel rules
20:39 Megaf paramat: if you op me I will kick you.
20:39 sfan5 it doesn't matter what you see it has, "keep offtopic short" is a rule
20:39 sfan5 s/has/as/
20:39 * Megaf notice his medication is begining to wear of as he gets more impulsive again
20:40 Megaf wear down?
20:40 paramat i am op and will kick you :]
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20:41 paramat this amount of offtopic is too much for #minetest also, new channel please
20:41 paramat it's ok to ask around here and invite others to advise elsewhere
20:41 Megaf paramat: I will be nice to you because you said please :P Thanks
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20:42 sfan5 paramat: while that's true, I see no harm in applying a more "forgiving" interpretation of the rules in #minetest
20:43 sfan5 i'm missing the correct adjective here...
20:43 Calinou this channel isn't excessively busy
20:43 paramat i am being forgiving
20:43 ssieb eduroam is using WPA2-Enterprise, not 802.11x
20:43 paramat Calinou that's not the point
20:43 ssieb Megaf: I really hope you weren't serious about 802.11b!
20:45 Calinou 802.11ac is where it's at
20:45 Calinou our university has it :)
20:45 paramat take it to a dedicated channel please
20:45 sfan5 like #minetest
20:46 Megaf Calinou, sfan5, sofar, #Minetest-Chat please if you want to keep talking about IT
20:46 sfan5 (I personally have no problem with excessive offtopic in #minetest as long as it's not hindering talk about the primary objective)
20:46 paramat excessive offtopic is not allowed in minetest
20:46 paramat that's a rule
20:46 sfan5 correct
20:47 sfan5 but like I said there's no problem with being less strict on that (in #minetest, not here)
20:47 paramat there is somewhat, because we need to monitor it for MT stuff
20:48 paramat that channel is not 'offtopic'. maybe someone can start a MT offtopic channel?
20:51 Shara There's already a "chat" channel
20:51 Shara Though somewhat unofficial
20:51 paramat good :]
20:52 paramat oh just saw it went there, thank you all
21:11 Megaf ok, paramat left.
21:11 Megaf so, 802.1x
21:11 Megaf xP
21:12 * Megaf hides and almost dies laughing
21:13 Megaf ssieb: ^
21:15 ssieb :-P
21:20 Shara Megaf: Stop being a child :P
21:20 Megaf lmao
21:20 Megaf Anyway!
21:21 sofar Megaf: btw as to recommendations, I would say that without in-depth knowledge of topography, issues and usage you can only make random stabs at improvements
21:21 Megaf So, Minetest, I'm testing this dedicated ARM server. Minetest is running jsut great
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21:27 Megaf [21:27:34] * Nick _ChanServ_ contains illegal characters
21:28 Megaf Sorry, wrong channel
21:30 Fuchs *Serv* is RESVd for the very reasons that people don't get stupid ideas
21:30 Fuchs and I highly recommend not trying around with it :)
21:31 Megaf no need to offend alright, I have feelings
21:31 Shara Hi Fuchs
21:32 Fuchs hi :)
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21:34 benrob0329 Megaf: I find that hard to believe when my tablet from 2012 has official images
21:34 benrob0329 and hey we're back
21:35 Megaf :)
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21:48 Megaf why wouldnt it?
21:48 Megaf its Android
21:51 twoelk minetest on android does not always behave as intended so ...
21:52 Megaf correction
21:52 Megaf minetest doesnt always behave as intended
21:52 twoelk dunno wether mt speaks every android dialect
21:54 Wayward_One i've run mt on about 5 different types/forks of android so far
21:55 twoelk write in the wiki about it -> could be of interest for others :-P
21:57 twoelk I've tried on two regular android versions, one failed and the other kept freezing - but they where old crappy devices anyways
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22:04 twoelk I once hooked a android device to a tv set and as the touchscreen was out of reach ran minetest navigating with wifi devices - kinda' not worked well - was fun though
22:05 Wayward_One nice
22:40 Fixer 12309 in windows, SAD!
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22:53 rubenwardy My ad views on my pages have increased by 30% in the last month, but my as revenue has.halved
22:53 rubenwardy Damnit Google
22:57 xerox123_ :(
22:57 xerox123_ Poor ruben
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23:38 Fixer rubenwardy: heheh

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