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00:03 Megaf by the way, some of my contributions is getting minetestserver to build on HaikuOS
00:03 Megaf :)
00:06 Megaf I should leave the channel,
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00:22 IhrFussel Can I make an entity unpointable?
00:22 IhrFussel I only found pointable = false for nodes
00:25 Jordach IhrFussel: yes
00:25 Jordach pointable = false,
00:26 Jordach does apply to entities
00:27 IhrFussel Jordach, does that entity flag exist in 0.4.16?
00:28 Jordach should do
00:28 Jordach otherwise
00:28 Jordach upgrade to 0.5-dev you scrubs
00:31 Fixer one of my fav happy tracks ever https://med.planet-d.net/demo/we​b/modplayer/#Maf%20-%20Artichoke.mod
00:31 Fixer I need to buy Amiga for real
00:32 IhrFussel It's too new https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6218
00:34 rubenwardy mod support in Minetest, when?
00:35 Fixer rubenwardy: before your retirement
00:36 rubenwardy hopefully
00:36 Fixer https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/​modplayer/#Banana%20-%20BBS-Intro.mod
00:36 Shara Optimism is beautiful.
00:36 Fixer imagine that music playing, dialup connection to bbs
00:39 Fixer https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/mod​player/#Bruno%20-%20Green%20marlboro.mod
00:40 Fixer if i had this in 1990s, I shit bricked literally
00:40 Fixer not that ZX crappy sound
00:40 rubenwardy > literally
00:40 Fixer celeron55: i prefer this from firefox https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/​modplayer/#Firefox%20-%20Macrocosm.mod
00:41 Fixer rubenwardy: i had casettes, no demos, no bbs, no internet, and it sucked
00:41 Fixer casettes for ZX
00:41 rubenwardy what are casettes?
00:41 rubenwardy JOKES
00:41 Fixer rubenwardy: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe​dia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Compactcasse​tte.jpg/1200px-Compactcassette.jpg
00:42 Fixer rubenwardy: you take your casette player, hook up your ZX 48k computer, load casette, press play on player, run (and watch lines on TV), wait XX minutes, PLAY for real
00:43 tumeninodes Jordach, you still here?
00:46 Fixer rubenwardy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EfycbDhiw
00:46 paramat ah man nostalgia
00:47 Fixer and worst thing - i had no freaking manual...
00:47 Fixer and no english manual ofc
00:47 paramat my childhood watching yellow and blue lines
00:48 tumeninodes biggest tech in my youth was playing colecovision ping pong with the kid upstairs who owned it
00:49 tumeninodes the graphics and sounds were... mesmerizing
00:49 Fixer I had this on casette http://www.crashonline.org​.uk/36/images/artist2a.gif
00:50 Fixer even painted some stuff
00:50 Fixer artist 1 or 2, don;t remember
00:51 Fixer breaking - there are lemmings for zx, i've totally missed that
00:52 Fixer one of my favs - Arkanoid, i forgot one what I played (nes or zx) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0huOj_O9M
00:52 tumeninodes so, all your childhood memories were, the beginning of the end of society? :P
00:53 Fixer that video feature poop emoji o_O
00:57 tumeninodes younger people had all the fun..., meanwhile, my age group had Davey and Goliath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTwJQmvk0U
00:58 Fixer tumeninodes: you live in Saudi Ara^NEVERMIND
00:59 tumeninodes hahaha... we also had this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkOkw31XaHY
00:59 Fixer google/facebook/god/cia/nsa/whatever are watching and caring for us
01:00 Fixer especially that funny VR session with ZUCC in Puero Rico, so funny
01:02 Fixer in a way
01:04 Fixer tumeninodes: probably same drugs BBC used
01:05 rubenwardy any KdenLive pros here?
01:05 rubenwardy or anyone that's done it for more than 30 minutes  XD
01:05 tumeninodes that's asking a lot
01:06 rubenwardy I want to speed up a group of clips
01:06 rubenwardy I have 6 clips in a group and want to make it last around the same time as the recording
01:06 tumeninodes Fixer, if you watch anything in the list from my links, you'll realize why I grew to be repelled by tv
01:07 rubenwardy ah
01:07 rubenwardy I can see the duration of the clips
01:07 rubenwardy If I work out how long I want it to be in secounds
01:07 rubenwardy I can do     current/wanted * 100
01:07 rubenwardy for each clip
01:28 IhrFussel Someone just asked me if I'm a real admin or a computer-generated NPC...lol?
01:31 Shara Hah
01:31 tumeninodes well.... which is it?
01:32 tumeninodes gotta run... bye computer... I mean, "Ihrfussel" ; )
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01:33 IhrFussel I think it will be a while before AI can behave exactly like a real human
01:35 Shara Well, I'm probably not real anyway, depending on your source of information, and I don't do too bad.
01:52 * Lord_Buckethead looks at google x
02:01 Lord_Buckethead rubenwardy, ooh nice theme, what wm is that?
02:01 rubenwardy XFCE
02:02 rubenwardy !title https://youtu.be/orBsC9wViUw
02:02 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Creating Maps for Minetest Capture the Flag - YouTube
02:02 rubenwardy now public
02:08 lisac Lord_Buckethead: any idea why client->getScript() returns a nil?
02:14 lisac or maybe it isn't returning a nil
02:14 lisac the search continues...
02:17 lisac okay,  I think I got it
02:19 Lord_Buckethead s/nil/null
02:24 lisac oops
02:24 lisac also
02:24 lisac IT FINALLY WORKS!
02:25 lisac after so many attempts, I just finished my 'allow client to bind keys' idea
02:25 lisac or rather, you can register a function to run every time a key is pressed, in CSM
02:25 lisac which gives you the key code
02:25 lisac next step is the release of a key
02:25 lisac I'm creating a WIP PR
02:26 rubenwardy that doesn't sound right
02:26 Lord_Buckethead I would prefer if it didn't run on every key press
02:29 lisac #7008
02:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk
02:29 lisac I don't think it adds a lot of lag
02:29 lisac I didn't notice anything extreme, at least
02:29 lisac oh, great. I also seem to have accidentally included my other PR inside
02:30 lisac forgot to switch to master before git branch, I'm guessing
02:35 lisac Lord_Buckethead, rubenwardy: please do leave any comments you have, I'll check them out and fix it all in the morning
02:35 lisac it's 3:35 here
02:36 lisac so, good night
02:36 Lord_Buckethead 2:36
02:36 Lord_Buckethead night
02:40 paramat 20 days to optimise an ABM but now done, MTG's very intensive ABM is now 3 times less intensive
02:41 paramat and temperate coniferous forest now looks delicious
02:41 Shara Does that mean I can eat it?
02:41 Shara Reviewing these made me hungry :D
02:43 paramat heh
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03:12 Hijiri is there a very survivaley subgame?
03:20 paramat probably
03:22 rubenwardy MTG
03:22 rubenwardy :troll:
03:22 VanessaE haha
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03:27 paramat yes it has dangerous fireflies
03:29 VanessaE oh G*d those'll kill ya :P
03:36 Shara Amusement: http://gingercat.tk/dg/mt_stupidpausemenu.gif
03:38 paramat !
03:38 Shara I know.
03:39 Shara There's other problems too
03:46 VanessaE asha
03:46 VanessaE haha
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13:03 lisac hey rubenwardy
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13:08 lisac hey Krock
13:12 Krock hi lisac
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13:16 Megaf Good Day!
13:16 Megaf I feeling better today. Hows your servers folks?
13:22 lisac hey Megaf
13:23 Megaf I don't like when people use one nick in the forums, another for GitHub, another for gameplay and yet another here in IRC
13:23 Megaf !seen 4w
13:23 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 4w around.
13:23 Megaf !seen Dirk
13:23 Megaf !seen Dirk
13:23 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen dirk around.
13:27 shivajiva Hi Megaf
13:31 Lord_Buckethead yes it makes to harder to know if you can just ignore a comment
13:39 Megaf lol
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13:39 Megaf Actually most of the time I see something interesting on GitHub and I want to elaborate on that here but I have no idea how the person call themself here
13:39 Megaf Hi Fussesl
13:40 IhrFussel Hey Megaf
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13:40 IhrFussel My protections were gone again after I restarted the server... the err variable of the load function was not existent apparently cause no error (code) got logged
13:49 lisac hey Lord_Buckethead
13:52 Shara Hi all
13:53 Shara Fussel - how many areas did you have again? (sorry, I know I asked before)
13:53 Fixer sofar: are you seeeeeeeding that Earth file? still stuck at same percentage for days
13:53 Fixer also, hi everyone
13:54 Shara Hi Fixer
13:55 lisac hey Fixer, Shara
13:55 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, you are using backports-0.4?
13:55 Megaf Hi Shara
13:56 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, did you take a look at the file?
13:57 IhrFussel Lord_Buckethead, 0.4.17-dev but not sure if the issue is linked to that... Maybe the error happens when writing before shutdown not when loading after restart...will add more log messages
14:00 Shara It just sounds like what happened to be with xban2
14:00 Shara me*
14:02 IhrFussel Now it will log to debug.txt if either writing or loading fails
14:07 Fixer s e l e k t a, how it is going with those flying guys on servers today?
14:09 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, the mod saves every time the areas are edited
14:09 Lord_Buckethead not on shutdown
14:09 IhrFussel Lord_Buckethead, Yes but the protections are only gone after a restart
14:09 IhrFussel And not always
14:11 * IhrFussel is eating potato chips right now and wonders why they sometimes look so burned
14:14 * Megaf will get some more coffee
14:15 * Megaf waiting for mitigations to land in core
14:19 Fixer remember those chinese movies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDNjOhfAU0
14:23 Lord_Buckethead !title
14:23 MinetestBot Lord_Buckethead: GitHub - red-001/block_vps: A minetest mod for blocking account creation from commercial IP addresses (e.g. VPSes, VPNs, proxies, etc)
14:24 Krock Fixer, I see you like nonsense videos :P
14:24 * Megaf got some coffee
14:26 Fixer Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnY5YK2ttaM
14:27 Megaf !title
14:27 MinetestBot Megaf: What's your shtyle/style/shtoyle?! (South Park/Enter the Dragon) - YouTube
14:27 Megaf Not sure if I should click
14:27 Krock ^ same
14:27 Megaf By the way, where can I find some epic .mid or .mod music?
14:28 Fixer Megaf: http://amp.dascene.net/ , https://modarchive.org/ , etc
14:28 Krock shtoyle
14:31 Megaf Guess how large is the the subgame I run on my server
14:32 Megaf Lord_Buckethead: ^
14:36 sfan5 >repeat until os.clock() > ntime
14:36 sfan5 is this a joke
14:36 Lord_Buckethead only way to do it synchronously
14:37 Lord_Buckethead I suppose I could just let them connect and then kick them latter
14:37 sfan5 I wouldn't except that to even work
14:37 sfan5 "sleeping" by spinning the cpu is still a terrible idea
14:38 Lord_Buckethead I know but there doesn't seem to be a better way to do it in lua
14:38 Krock [shitpost] When will we finally add this mining tool to minetest_game? https://techgage.com/wp-content/uploads/201​7/07/AMD-Radeon-RX-Vega-64-Angled-Shot.jpg
14:42 Megaf Krock: lmao, it took me a whie to get the joke
14:42 xerox123 is there anything that can make a sapling grow faster?
14:42 Krock :P
14:42 Krock xerox123, planting a 2nd one
14:42 Megaf xerox123: bonemeal from tenplus1
14:42 xerox123 hm, ok
14:43 Megaf Lord_Buckethead: I updated "minetest_game" now saplings and stuff is working as it should, bug fixed
14:44 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, the issue with making it async would be that pointless accounts will still be created then
14:44 Lord_Buckethead iirc you can delete them from auth but not from the player db
14:45 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IXKS1O8kk
14:47 xerox123 making a map for ruben's CTF
14:48 Lord_Buckethead !title
14:48 MinetestBot Lord_Buckethead: Ghidorah - Water sky - YouTube
14:49 Megaf [14:37:39] <sfan5> "sleeping" by spinning the cpu is still a terrible idea
14:50 Megaf is this in a mod or how Minetest works?
14:50 sfan5 1)
14:51 Lord_Buckethead only way lua lets you do it, but yes a mod
14:53 Megaf Eh, I'm sure there must be another way
14:53 Megaf can't a POSIX syscal be used if Lua just can't do that?
14:54 Lord_Buckethead not without require
14:54 Lord_Buckethead or some other mod security by-pass
14:54 Lord_Buckethead easier to just rewrite it to kick the player afterwards, plus that would solve the issue of server load
14:56 xerox123 I just noticed something, the two flags are going to end up being 500+ nodes apart
14:56 celeron55 i, for one, read through that code, saw what it did and was fine with it and didn't even mention it
14:56 xerox123 "oops"
14:56 celeron55 apparently some others care :D
14:58 celeron55 it's only natural that that happens when the engine wants to synchronously know a result and the http api only allows polling
15:20 rubenwardy waaaa
15:20 rubenwardy where's rubenbot
15:21 sfan5 netsplit since 7am CET
15:24 rubenwardy huh, not even connecting now
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15:24 rubenwardy ah
15:24 rubenwardy somehow the channel list was empty? \o/
15:25 celeron55 (it should be noted that the api does not specify that it would work that way though; it might be updated some day to require a return from lua before the result of fetch_async_get changes)
16:01 Fixer audiophile console https://i.imgur.com/hrQM3nM.png
16:05 celeron55 i may now have added a few obvious people to http://hub.minetest.net/
16:06 red-001 IhrFussel, how often do you get such large amounts of new players?
16:06 celeron55 if you weren't there and still aren't and/or your info is wrong, don't be surprised
16:06 rubenwardy ah,   ctrl+shift+r helps
16:07 celeron55 (also, now is a good time to nag me with any exact changes you want on the listing)
16:08 red-001 celeron55, mind adding me as a minetest contributor?
16:08 IhrFussel I am a server owner too (since almost 2 years)
16:09 IhrFussel red-001, mostly on weekends ... feels like actual waves (spam joining for 30-60 minutes then it's quite again)
16:10 Megaf Guys, like and share this video please https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1GH2FEIe-Q
16:10 Megaf !title
16:10 MinetestBot Megaf: Main Channel Is Down Again - YouTube
16:10 Megaf CodysLab ^
16:11 Fixer some script kiddies?
16:12 celeron55 red-001, IhrFussel: noted
16:12 Fixer not sure how Wuzzy is not in this channel
16:13 rubenwardy he doesn't like it
16:23 Sokomine how many areas exist on your servers (provided you've got the areas mod installed)?
16:24 Sokomine the villages use a very similar mechanism. i wonder if it can be used in order to check if a house in an overlapping mapchunk needs processing at mapgen time
16:26 Fixer sofar: installed qbittorent - now it downloads your Earth file
16:27 red-001 how much data can minetest.serialize handle?
16:29 Sokomine red-001: very good question. eventually my villages will hit that limit (if it exists)
16:29 celeron55 as much as you can fit in the lua environment's memory
16:29 red-001 Sokomine, was thinking more of IhrFussel's issue
16:29 Sokomine sounds good, celeron55
16:30 Fixer and lua env mem sucks
16:30 red-001 which I would expect would have happened on some server already but still
16:30 celeron55 well, we all know it's kind of limited
16:30 Fixer sad, hope for stable gc64
16:30 Sokomine red-001: the players joining in groups? guess many of them are tablet users. they might not be very happy on ihrfussels server with all that media content there
16:30 red-001 Sokomine, the areas database getting corrupted
16:31 Sokomine aah. yes. still...how many areas there are would be of intrest to me
16:35 IhrFussel Sokomine, I got ~ 6,000 protections in the file
16:39 red-001 nvm looks like a minetest.serialize failure should get logged
16:40 red-001 IhrFussel, what was in the corrupt database?
16:40 red-001 did you try to manually dump it after loading it with minetest.deserialize?
16:40 IhrFussel red-001, areas uses no DB, it's a .dat file and it#s not corrupt, it just fails to load sometimes it seems...or it fails to save
16:41 red-001 I know it's not a real database, but a dumped lua table
16:41 IhrFussel But it definitely seems to be linked to server shutdown...it didn't happen during runtime (yet)
16:42 red-001 I was thinking maybe it's linked with start up, it fails to save correctly at some point and then you restart, it fails to load it so it falls back to an empty table
16:42 sfan5 areas should be using minetest.safe_file_write()
16:43 sfan5 before you ask: yes, it's available in 0.4.17
16:44 red-001 sfan5, is there anything you need to be careful about when using that api?
16:44 sfan5 no
16:45 IhrFussel sfan5, what makes it so much safer compared to io.open() ? I thought lua is just singlecore so no 2 operations should be executed at the same time
16:46 IhrFussel singlethreaded*
16:46 red-001 IhrFussel, it uses a safer api on linux
16:47 rubenwardy it doesn't delete the old data if the write fails
16:48 red-001 it might also be a bit safer on windows but it should be a lot less likely to damage the data on linux
16:48 IhrFussel Would it maybe also help to write a "repat action" function in case of a failure?
16:49 IhrFussel repeat*
16:49 sfan5 no that won't help
16:51 red-001 well it would if someone has to use 0.4.16
16:54 red-001 https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/pull/28
16:54 red-001 !title
16:54 MinetestBot red-001: Use the new `minetest.safe_file_write` API if possible when saving database. by red-001 · Pull Request #28 · ShadowNinja/areas · GitHub
17:06 IhrFussel So checking if a new feature is available on the server is as simple as "if not minetest.function then print("Sorry your version is noit supported!") end" ?
17:07 rubenwardy assert(minetest.function, "Minetest is too old to run this mod. VERSION or later required")
17:07 red-001 ^
17:09 IhrFussel So is if not minetest.function then wrong or just not accurate?
17:09 IhrFussel Cause lots of mods I saw use that simple check without assert()
17:09 red-001 assert or error stop the mod from running
17:10 IhrFussel Ah I see... but internally it also only checks "if not minetest.function then"
17:16 Sokomine IhrFussel: thanks! 6000 might be much for actual protection check when players dig/place but ought to be well below anything where size of the savefile could matter
18:01 IhrFussel Sokomine, I don't think it's cause of the filesize :P
18:02 IhrFussel Guys does offset x=-80 mean 80px on ALL screens? Cause on a 4K monitor 80px is like nothing and on mine it's almost 1/10
18:03 sfan5 which offset are you talking about?
18:03 IhrFussel HUD
18:04 IhrFussel I'm thinking about how to position a certain text HUD so that it's pretty far on the right on all screens
18:05 sfan5 the hud uses a "scaled" unit similar to formspecs IIRC
18:05 IhrFussel Are you sure that this also applies to text?
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18:53 tumeninodes celeron55: thank you for adding me to the list, could you also list me as a Minetest Game contributor? It's the narcissist in me :P
18:59 celeron55 github only lists four commits for you in there
18:59 celeron55 if that's accurate, then maybe i won't 8)
19:00 Shara He's contributed textures in other commits than his own, but not sure how many
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19:00 tumeninodes ah, no problem
19:01 red-001 2018-02-04 19:01:43: ERROR[Main]: Some exception: "One or more noise parameters were invalid or require too much memory"
19:02 red-001 never got that error in 0.4.16
19:02 red-001 but it seems to happen every so often in 0.5-dev or 0.4.17-dev
19:02 celeron55 if a _game developer thinks tumeninodes should be listed as that, then i'll add it
19:03 tumeninodes seriously, it's not that big of a deal, I had not taken into consideration # of commits and that system makes perfect sense to me
19:04 celeron55 :D
19:05 Topic for #minetest-hub is now Keep offtopic short | http://hub.minetest.net/ | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/ | Keep offtopic short
19:05 celeron55 i set up / to show something useful so now the topic doesn't need two links
19:13 red-001 oh great clearing some memory and trying to run that world again, results in minetest using up 8 gb of memory in 5 seconds and freezing the whole system
19:14 red-001 now that I think about it the same thing happend last time I got that error
19:17 VanessaE holy moses.
19:19 IhrFussel "fussel how do i crash this server" ... kiddies
19:22 red-001 if someone else hates thier filesystem https://transfer.sh/r2gsW/map_meta.txt
19:22 red-001 be warned the only way I could get the system to recover was to pull the plug
19:22 red-001 !tell paramat found a new bug that results in minetest using up all the memory, it seems to be mapgen related, see log for details
19:22 MinetestBot red-001: I'll pass that on when paramat is around
19:25 VanessaE red-001: fwiw, if you just wait out swap thrash, it'll recover... just takes forever
19:26 VanessaE (linux is just a little braindead about it)
19:26 red-001 ok looks like I set my chunksize to be way to high
19:26 red-001 too*
19:27 red-001 doesn't explain why it doesn't usually happen, but maybe that setting should be range limited
19:27 Sokomine how high was your chunksize?
19:27 VanessaE why is there even the option to change it at all?
19:28 VanessaE what purpose does it serve?
19:28 red-001 Sokomine, 100, I think its from when I was trying to test something and never reset it
19:29 Sokomine i did experience strange behaviour of mt up until a few weeks. it sometimes even pulled the entire system down. had to resort to magic sysrequest or even physically rebooting sometimes. i still think that there was something else wrong with my system
19:30 Sokomine red-001: urgs. er. don't run mg_villages with such a setting. it reads all into voxelmanip if there's a village inside
19:31 red-001 alright mystery solved the worlds that worked must have been created before hand and had a sane chunksize setting
19:31 Fixer celeron55: there are two "keep offtopic short" in topic
19:31 Sokomine VanessaE: good question. guess it's there to have the option should need arise. in theory a larger chunksize makes it a lot easier to write mapgens
19:31 celeron55 hmm, weird
19:32 Topic for #minetest-hub is now Keep offtopic short | http://hub.minetest.net/ | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/
19:32 Megaf Really?
19:33 Megaf I think celeron55 should be deoped
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19:33 MinetestBot paramat: Feb-04 19:22 UTC <red-001> found a new bug that results in minetest using up all the memory, it seems to be mapgen related, see log for details
19:33 Megaf I think we should take over Minetest
19:33 paramat red-001 running any mods?
19:33 Megaf start a rebelion
19:33 * Sokomine forks paramat
19:33 paramat ow
19:34 * Megaf can't tell exatly what changed in the topic
19:34 red-001 paramat, turned out to just be badly set chunksize, there really should be a warning when changing that
19:34 paramat ah, too big
19:34 red-001 too small also causes issues
19:34 paramat what issues?
19:34 red-001 with 1 dungeongen freaks out and half the world is dungeons
19:35 paramat yes
19:35 celeron55 Megaf: first, you should change the name; the name is just so stupid
19:35 celeron55 then, you realize you don't need to even put up a fight
19:35 paramat dungeons and large caves are 1 per mapchunk, so density increases
19:35 Megaf I know right? One of the stupid decision we make when young
19:35 * Megaf hides
19:36 Sokomine ah. that is good to know, paramat. wasn't aware of that. so 1 house/mapchunk might be a reasonable amount as well
19:36 paramat chunksize is generally advised to leave alone or alter just a little
19:37 red-001 paramat, I say that should be mentioned in advance settings
19:37 red-001 along with an upper limit of say 15 or 20
19:37 paramat yes
19:37 paramat better docs
19:38 paramat and a limit
19:38 red-001 btw I really like these new dungeons with loot
19:38 paramat i'll add an issue
19:39 paramat the upper limit should be quite small since it enlarges all lua voxelmanips too, like 6 or 7
19:39 Sokomine havn't seen those yet. but mtg got really nice with the fallen tree logs, occasional mushrooms and special dirt below jungletrees, plus that savanna biome. really nice to fly over a landscape now
19:39 paramat the new limit won't affect existing worlds because chunksize is in map meta txt
19:39 * red-001 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
19:39 red-001 15 at least didn't crash my system
19:40 red-001 so I suggested that
19:40 paramat 15 is insane =)
19:40 Sokomine may depend on the system and if you have any voxelmanip-heavy mods installed. try 15 + mg_villages and see if lua can still handle that
19:41 red-001 huh 3 looks nicer then standard 5
19:41 paramat yes it depends on mods used, but with 15 core mapgen becomes 27 times more intensive
19:43 paramat mods will hit OOM limit much easier too
19:44 celeron55 there's basically an overhead of 1 on all sides of a chunk when generating
19:44 celeron55 so 3 is kind of wasteful
19:44 celeron55 5 was chosen as the best compromise
19:45 celeron55 or, really, i think i chose it single-handedly, but...
19:46 Sokomine ah, you did that? paramat helped me talk to hmmm some years ago in order to figure out how that system with the overhead/shell actually works
19:46 paramat well considering we now have mods calculating 3D noise for the whole mapchunk 5 is not small
19:46 Sokomine cavegen is the natural enemy to all those who want to place houses at mapgen time :-)
19:48 paramat yes the padding is very old, pre-hmmmm
19:49 paramat celeron55 any help with MT is appreciated, dev is very slow recently
19:49 paramat in engine anyway
19:49 Sokomine when are lbms called? will at the time the lbm fires for first load of a block the block be actually fully generated? after all it could be a member of several mapchunks, not all of which might exist yet
19:55 Fixer pre-hmmmm :D
19:56 Fixer post hmmm-authoritarian era
19:58 Fixer it is really sad there are not much populated 0.5.0-git servers
19:59 * red-001 mentions something about not being able to filter the serverlist to only have 0.5 servers
19:59 rubenwardy it's sorted
20:06 Sokomine rubenwardy: maybe sort buttons could help. it's definitely not sorted by can join/cant or anything else. probably its sorted by "last joined"
20:07 Fixer VanessaE: 30008 is not announcing?
20:07 rubenwardy the servers you can't join are always at the bottom
20:07 rubenwardy so with a 0.5.0 client you'll see all the 0.5.0 servers at the top
20:07 Sokomine rubenwardy: not for me. i tested the latest git version yesterday and the list was total chaos
20:08 red-001 servers you joined before are still at the top iirc
20:08 VanessaE Fixer: poke whoever runs the master list.  the server config is unchanged in months.
20:08 rubenwardy it's a mt engine
20:08 rubenwardy issue
20:08 Fixer VanessaE: 30008 is creative-building?
20:08 VanessaE yes.
20:08 rubenwardy Sokomine, red-001:   https://i.rubenwardy.com/gqKZVLifMi.png
20:08 red-001 so sf*n5
20:08 rubenwardy it is
20:08 VanessaE rubenwardy: 0.4.17-dev, fwiw.  updated yesterday.
20:09 rubenwardy >
20:09 rubenwardy * ?
20:09 VanessaE he's afraid to ping sfan5  ;)
20:10 sfan5 🤔
20:10 Sokomine rubenwardy: sorry. was my error. accidently started an older version and not current dev
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20:11 VanessaE sfan5: maybe you need to allow more entries for my IP?
20:12 sfan5 the limit is either "just one" or "as many as you want", so no that's not it
20:12 VanessaE there should be 8 to 10 servers on that IP (My 5, plus mtz, bananaland, and I forget who else)
20:12 VanessaE oh ok
20:22 Fixer IhrFussel: provide readme with general info and howto use in https://github.com/IhrFussel/freeze
20:30 IhrFussel Done
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20:35 Fixer ty
20:38 Fixer https://gfycat.com/PlayfulDownrightBlackpanther O____o
20:39 Fixer wonder if thats possible with our mods
20:44 NathanS21 I think the digtron mod can do that.
20:50 red-001 once team offtopic shows up expect the topic to take a turn for the worse
20:53 paramat ugh azekill
20:53 paramat (every other post in screenshots)
20:54 Sokomine Fixer: what does that mod (or game or whatever?) do?
20:54 red-001 also no reason to use off
20:54 Fixer Sokomine: builds infinite cobble line out of cobble gen in vanilla minecraft
20:55 red-001 it's not as if they claim not to be shitpost/offtopicpost
20:55 Fixer IhrFussel: clearly shitposting
20:55 red-001 *ing
20:55 paramat rubenwardy is there anything we can do about azekill?
20:55 Sokomine Fixer: oh. cobble. *running away screaming*
20:55 paramat azekill is the only one of the worst s***posters who still does it
20:55 red-001 paramat, add to foes list and then script your browser to hide posts from there
20:56 paramat yes i have azekill as foe already
20:56 paramat still irritating =)
20:56 paramat because i see an extra-thick separater line between posts and know that's azekill
20:57 paramat and of course when browsing not logged in
20:58 paramat the posting in screenshots is really bad, and they add a random screenshot to 'justify' it
20:59 Sokomine i hate those random screenshots as well. if it's something where people got creative - or something where the viewer can see something in mapgen - then it's fine
21:00 paramat well, i'll start attending to azekill myself if mods don't >=)
21:01 IhrFussel Why don't shitposters get banned?? They don't contribute to the community, they are just an annoyance most of the time
21:02 IhrFussel A temp ban could help already
21:02 Sokomine guess you'll just have to give him something to do so that he has less time posting on the forum. there's enough that could be tested, but...even testers need attention, and if they're young, they need much more help
21:03 IhrFussel They make my topic look like a joke...that's what makes me mad
21:04 IhrFussel The only "positive" thing about it is that they keep the topic on 1st page
21:04 paramat no need for a ban, azekill has already been temp banned, little improvement
21:05 Sokomine hmm. i don't think they view jokes as bad and in their own way value your mod by posting there
21:07 paramat (i mean, no need for a perma-ban)
21:07 * Sokomine nods to paramat
21:07 paramat server owners #7009
21:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7009 -- Guest mode
21:07 IhrFussel I gotta say it doesn't really motivate me to create more public mods if my first one gets such shitposting already, but that might be just me
21:07 paramat might be controversial
21:11 Sokomine maybe azekill feared that the mod might be used against him. hard to tell from 2 letters
21:13 IhrFussel Yeah well AFAIK he's a member of team "amarza" and the claim to "rescue" servers by overtaking them in a way
21:13 Shara They are just addicted to post count and so don't post actual "content"
21:13 red-001 ^
21:14 red-001 give people a number and they will want to increase it
21:14 IhrFussel they*
21:14 Shara But Fussel, you have to remember it's not them you work on mods for.
21:14 celeron55 one day, they'll grow up and they'll want their accounts and all of their posts deleted
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21:21 CWz IhrFussel, what mod would that be
21:23 IhrFussel Looks like the posts got removed, thanks for that https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=19575
21:23 paramat thanks to mods
21:24 tumeninodes does phpBB have some sort of way to "upvote" a mod? This "may" reduce shitposting if forum members have some way to show they like it?
21:24 sfan5 most forum softwares are have an (optional) thanking feature
21:25 tumeninodes I would give that a test then run to see if it reduces the problem, it can't hurt
21:26 tumeninodes *test run then (yay dyslexia)
21:28 tumeninodes post your screenshots thread is difficult to cull, if someone sees a really nice or interesting screenshot, they are going to want to comment on it.
21:28 tumeninodes however "one" comment on it should suffice
21:29 paramat well, then you get far more comments than screenshots :]
21:29 tumeninodes (or they are going to want to ask what the screenshot is about)
21:30 tumeninodes this is true
21:31 tumeninodes one thing to be careful of though, if you constantly barrage forum members and scold for some things, the forum becomes barren
21:31 red-001 eh should we be allowing external avatars?
21:37 tumeninodes and maybe don't show/use post counts, but ranks instead? though with phpbb I am not sure how that works
21:38 paramat post count is not much to blame, they would continue anyway
21:38 tumeninodes and ranks can maybe be attributed to the "thanking" feature. I have to look over phpbb I am not that familiar with it
21:39 tumeninodes paramat, another true statement
21:44 tumeninodes maybe ranks is not what I am looking for although, they do specify that ranks can be used in a fun way such as " They can be also given out for fun, such as Idiot of the Week" so... that works :P
21:55 red-001 https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26521409/
21:57 Sokomine paramat: sounds fine if the post-your-screenshots-thread gets taken over by commets. comments take far less bandwidth than screenshots and load much faster
21:58 Sokomine a thank-you-feature on the forum would be great
21:59 rubenwardy ban them all!
22:00 Sokomine no :-)
22:00 red-001 small issue with that script it will only work if you don't have them on your foe list
22:00 * tumeninodes is sometimes concerned about rubenwardy
22:00 * red-001 supports all this banning
22:00 VanessaE tumeninodes: all of us are, all the time :P
22:00 * Sokomine sends them all on to rubenwardys server
22:00 tumeninodes hehe
22:01 red-001 while you are at it rm -rf --no-preverse-root offtopic
22:01 red-001 while you are at it rm -rf --no-preserve-root offtopic
22:01 VanessaE lol
22:01 rubenwardy I  think you mean
22:01 VanessaE freudian slip? ;0
22:01 VanessaE ;)
22:01 tumeninodes double posting... ban!
22:02 rubenwardy rm -rf --no-preserve-root On-topic 'Related to "mine" or "test"' 'Just 1 inch off from a topic. Maximum.'
22:02 red-001 http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com
22:04 * tumeninodes grants rubenwardy some leadway cuz he has a cool voice and accent... though I detected a bit of vocal fry in his last video, tsk tsk... :P
22:06 rubenwardy I had to record each sentence like 3 times
22:06 tumeninodes phpbb has a star system (I think)
22:06 rubenwardy plus audacity is very bugg
22:07 rubenwardy +y
22:07 tumeninodes haha, well I shouldn't laugh, I am horrible at both making videos and speaking
22:07 rubenwardy which means the frustration in my voice probably varied per sentence
22:07 rubenwardy kdenlive was easier than last time I used it
22:08 tumeninodes is frustration another term for vocal fry?
22:08 rubenwardy dunno
22:08 rubenwardy I mean, I just googled vocal fry to find out what it means
22:08 rubenwardy and it sounds like smokers' voice
22:08 rubenwardy so thanks :D
22:08 tumeninodes :D you'll not thank me when you find out
22:10 rubenwardy want to make videos in the future
22:10 rubenwardy with hopefully better luck than NathanS
22:11 rubenwardy Discussing Minetest Curriculum   https://twitter.com/MinetestVideos
22:11 rubenwardy XD
22:11 tumeninodes good $$ in it, especially for educational firms
22:11 tumeninodes yes, he had some serious streaming issues going on
22:12 tumeninodes he may have taken a chainsaw to his equipment, I have not seen any updates
22:14 tumeninodes ugh, have to go feed my invalid 14yo, bbl
22:14 rubenwardy ha, cya
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22:36 Sokomine that's a pity. nathans' videos where very fine. at least the ones i saw
22:38 NathanS21 It was a problem with Youtube
22:38 NathanS21 I think they hate me. ;)
22:39 NathanS21 Uploaded a video today, and it worked just fine, for some reason yesterday they just wouldn't take my data fast enough.
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22:44 rubenwardy NathanS21: were you only streaming to youtube, or to twitch as well?
22:44 NathanS21 Just Youtube
22:44 rubenwardy odd
22:44 NathanS21 well trying to stream to youtube, it didn't work that well
22:44 rubenwardy \o/
22:45 rubenwardy I can't improvise whilst recording, I tend to need to record the same thing a few times
22:45 rubenwardy something about microphones make speaking weird
22:45 NathanS21 I don't think I can stream to multiple services at once.
22:45 rubenwardy well, it appears you can't even stream to one!
22:46 NathanS21 yesterday I sure couldn't!
22:48 NathanS21 I was actually pretty excited to do the stream, had notes and everything prepared, and then youtube just refused to play nice.
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