| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
by the way, some of my contributions is getting minetestserver to build on HaikuOS |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 00:06 |
Megaf |
I should leave the channel, |
| 00:06 |
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| 00:22 |
IhrFussel |
Can I make an entity unpointable? |
| 00:22 |
IhrFussel |
I only found pointable = false for nodes |
| 00:25 |
Jordach |
IhrFussel: yes |
| 00:25 |
Jordach |
pointable = false, |
| 00:26 |
Jordach |
does apply to entities |
| 00:27 |
IhrFussel |
Jordach, does that entity flag exist in 0.4.16? |
| 00:28 |
Jordach |
should do |
| 00:28 |
Jordach |
otherwise |
| 00:28 |
Jordach |
upgrade to 0.5-dev you scrubs |
| 00:31 |
Fixer |
one of my fav happy tracks ever https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/modplayer/#Maf%20-%20Artichoke.mod |
| 00:31 |
Fixer |
I need to buy Amiga for real |
| 00:32 |
IhrFussel |
It's too new https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6218 |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
mod support in Minetest, when? |
| 00:35 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: before your retirement |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
hopefully |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/modplayer/#Banana%20-%20BBS-Intro.mod |
| 00:36 |
Shara |
Optimism is beautiful. |
| 00:36 |
Fixer |
imagine that music playing, dialup connection to bbs |
| 00:39 |
Fixer |
https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/modplayer/#Bruno%20-%20Green%20marlboro.mod |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
if i had this in 1990s, I shit bricked literally |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
not that ZX crappy sound |
| 00:40 |
rubenwardy |
> literally |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
celeron55: i prefer this from firefox https://med.planet-d.net/demo/web/modplayer/#Firefox%20-%20Macrocosm.mod |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: i had casettes, no demos, no bbs, no internet, and it sucked |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
casettes for ZX |
| 00:41 |
rubenwardy |
what are casettes? |
| 00:41 |
rubenwardy |
JOKES |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Compactcassette.jpg/1200px-Compactcassette.jpg |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: you take your casette player, hook up your ZX 48k computer, load casette, press play on player, run (and watch lines on TV), wait XX minutes, PLAY for real |
| 00:43 |
tumeninodes |
Jordach, you still here? |
| 00:46 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EfycbDhiw |
| 00:46 |
paramat |
ah man nostalgia |
| 00:47 |
Fixer |
and worst thing - i had no freaking manual... |
| 00:47 |
Fixer |
and no english manual ofc |
| 00:47 |
paramat |
my childhood watching yellow and blue lines |
| 00:48 |
tumeninodes |
biggest tech in my youth was playing colecovision ping pong with the kid upstairs who owned it |
| 00:49 |
tumeninodes |
the graphics and sounds were... mesmerizing |
| 00:49 |
Fixer |
I had this on casette http://www.crashonline.org.uk/36/images/artist2a.gif |
| 00:50 |
Fixer |
even painted some stuff |
| 00:50 |
Fixer |
artist 1 or 2, don;t remember |
| 00:51 |
Fixer |
breaking - there are lemmings for zx, i've totally missed that |
| 00:52 |
Fixer |
one of my favs - Arkanoid, i forgot one what I played (nes or zx) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0huOj_O9M |
| 00:52 |
tumeninodes |
so, all your childhood memories were, the beginning of the end of society? :P |
| 00:53 |
Fixer |
that video feature poop emoji o_O |
| 00:57 |
tumeninodes |
younger people had all the fun..., meanwhile, my age group had Davey and Goliath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTwJQmvk0U |
| 00:58 |
Fixer |
tumeninodes: you live in Saudi Ara^NEVERMIND |
| 00:59 |
tumeninodes |
hahaha... we also had this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkOkw31XaHY |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
google/facebook/god/cia/nsa/whatever are watching and caring for us |
| 01:00 |
Fixer |
especially that funny VR session with ZUCC in Puero Rico, so funny |
| 01:02 |
Fixer |
in a way |
| 01:04 |
Fixer |
tumeninodes: probably same drugs BBC used |
| 01:05 |
rubenwardy |
any KdenLive pros here? |
| 01:05 |
rubenwardy |
or anyone that's done it for more than 30 minutes XD |
| 01:05 |
tumeninodes |
that's asking a lot |
| 01:06 |
rubenwardy |
I want to speed up a group of clips |
| 01:06 |
rubenwardy |
I have 6 clips in a group and want to make it last around the same time as the recording |
| 01:06 |
tumeninodes |
Fixer, if you watch anything in the list from my links, you'll realize why I grew to be repelled by tv |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
I can see the duration of the clips |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
If I work out how long I want it to be in secounds |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
I can do current/wanted * 100 |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
for each clip |
| 01:28 |
IhrFussel |
Someone just asked me if I'm a real admin or a computer-generated NPC...lol? |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
Hah |
| 01:31 |
tumeninodes |
well.... which is it? |
| 01:32 |
tumeninodes |
gotta run... bye computer... I mean, "Ihrfussel" ; ) |
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| 01:33 |
IhrFussel |
I think it will be a while before AI can behave exactly like a real human |
| 01:35 |
Shara |
Well, I'm probably not real anyway, depending on your source of information, and I don't do too bad. |
| 01:52 |
* Lord_Buckethead |
looks at google x |
| 02:01 |
Lord_Buckethead |
rubenwardy, ooh nice theme, what wm is that? |
| 02:01 |
rubenwardy |
XFCE |
| 02:02 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://youtu.be/orBsC9wViUw |
| 02:02 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Creating Maps for Minetest Capture the Flag - YouTube |
| 02:02 |
rubenwardy |
now public |
| 02:08 |
lisac |
Lord_Buckethead: any idea why client->getScript() returns a nil? |
| 02:14 |
lisac |
or maybe it isn't returning a nil |
| 02:14 |
lisac |
the search continues... |
| 02:17 |
lisac |
okay, I think I got it |
| 02:19 |
Lord_Buckethead |
s/nil/null |
| 02:24 |
lisac |
oops |
| 02:24 |
lisac |
also |
| 02:24 |
lisac |
IT FINALLY WORKS! |
| 02:25 |
lisac |
after so many attempts, I just finished my 'allow client to bind keys' idea |
| 02:25 |
lisac |
or rather, you can register a function to run every time a key is pressed, in CSM |
| 02:25 |
lisac |
which gives you the key code |
| 02:25 |
lisac |
next step is the release of a key |
| 02:25 |
lisac |
I'm creating a WIP PR |
| 02:26 |
rubenwardy |
that doesn't sound right |
| 02:26 |
Lord_Buckethead |
I would prefer if it didn't run on every key press |
| 02:29 |
lisac |
#7008 |
| 02:29 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk |
| 02:29 |
lisac |
I don't think it adds a lot of lag |
| 02:29 |
lisac |
I didn't notice anything extreme, at least |
| 02:29 |
lisac |
oh, great. I also seem to have accidentally included my other PR inside |
| 02:30 |
lisac |
forgot to switch to master before git branch, I'm guessing |
| 02:35 |
lisac |
Lord_Buckethead, rubenwardy: please do leave any comments you have, I'll check them out and fix it all in the morning |
| 02:35 |
lisac |
it's 3:35 here |
| 02:36 |
lisac |
so, good night |
| 02:36 |
Lord_Buckethead |
2:36 |
| 02:36 |
Lord_Buckethead |
night |
| 02:40 |
paramat |
20 days to optimise an ABM but now done, MTG's very intensive ABM is now 3 times less intensive |
| 02:41 |
paramat |
and temperate coniferous forest now looks delicious |
| 02:41 |
Shara |
Does that mean I can eat it? |
| 02:41 |
Shara |
Reviewing these made me hungry :D |
| 02:43 |
paramat |
heh |
| 03:01 |
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| 03:12 |
Hijiri |
is there a very survivaley subgame? |
| 03:20 |
paramat |
probably |
| 03:22 |
rubenwardy |
MTG |
| 03:22 |
rubenwardy |
:troll: |
| 03:22 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 03:24 |
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| 03:27 |
paramat |
yes it has dangerous fireflies |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
oh G*d those'll kill ya :P |
| 03:36 |
Shara |
Amusement: http://gingercat.tk/dg/mt_stupidpausemenu.gif |
| 03:38 |
paramat |
! |
| 03:38 |
Shara |
I know. |
| 03:39 |
Shara |
There's other problems too |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
asha |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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| 13:03 |
lisac |
hey rubenwardy |
| 13:05 |
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| 13:08 |
lisac |
hey Krock |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
hi lisac |
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| 13:16 |
Megaf |
Good Day! |
| 13:16 |
Megaf |
I feeling better today. Hows your servers folks? |
| 13:22 |
lisac |
hey Megaf |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
I don't like when people use one nick in the forums, another for GitHub, another for gameplay and yet another here in IRC |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
!seen 4w |
| 13:23 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 4w around. |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
!seen Dirk |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
!seen Dirk |
| 13:23 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen dirk around. |
| 13:27 |
shivajiva |
Hi Megaf |
| 13:31 |
Lord_Buckethead |
yes it makes to harder to know if you can just ignore a comment |
| 13:39 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 13:39 |
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| 13:39 |
Megaf |
Actually most of the time I see something interesting on GitHub and I want to elaborate on that here but I have no idea how the person call themself here |
| 13:39 |
Megaf |
Hi Fussesl |
| 13:40 |
IhrFussel |
Hey Megaf |
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| 13:40 |
IhrFussel |
My protections were gone again after I restarted the server... the err variable of the load function was not existent apparently cause no error (code) got logged |
| 13:49 |
lisac |
hey Lord_Buckethead |
| 13:52 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 13:53 |
Shara |
Fussel - how many areas did you have again? (sorry, I know I asked before) |
| 13:53 |
Fixer |
sofar: are you seeeeeeeding that Earth file? still stuck at same percentage for days |
| 13:53 |
Fixer |
also, hi everyone |
| 13:54 |
Shara |
Hi Fixer |
| 13:55 |
lisac |
hey Fixer, Shara |
| 13:55 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, you are using backports-0.4? |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
Hi Shara |
| 13:56 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, did you take a look at the file? |
| 13:57 |
IhrFussel |
Lord_Buckethead, 0.4.17-dev but not sure if the issue is linked to that... Maybe the error happens when writing before shutdown not when loading after restart...will add more log messages |
| 14:00 |
Shara |
It just sounds like what happened to be with xban2 |
| 14:00 |
Shara |
me* |
| 14:02 |
IhrFussel |
Now it will log to debug.txt if either writing or loading fails |
| 14:07 |
Fixer |
s e l e k t a, how it is going with those flying guys on servers today? |
| 14:09 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, the mod saves every time the areas are edited |
| 14:09 |
Lord_Buckethead |
not on shutdown |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
Lord_Buckethead, Yes but the protections are only gone after a restart |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
And not always |
| 14:11 |
* IhrFussel |
is eating potato chips right now and wonders why they sometimes look so burned |
| 14:14 |
* Megaf |
will get some more coffee |
| 14:15 |
* Megaf |
waiting for mitigations to land in core |
| 14:19 |
Fixer |
remember those chinese movies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDNjOhfAU0 |
| 14:23 |
Lord_Buckethead |
!title |
| 14:23 |
MinetestBot |
Lord_Buckethead: GitHub - red-001/block_vps: A minetest mod for blocking account creation from commercial IP addresses (e.g. VPSes, VPNs, proxies, etc) |
| 14:24 |
Krock |
Fixer, I see you like nonsense videos :P |
| 14:24 |
* Megaf |
got some coffee |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnY5YK2ttaM |
| 14:27 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 14:27 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: What's your shtyle/style/shtoyle?! (South Park/Enter the Dragon) - YouTube |
| 14:27 |
Megaf |
Not sure if I should click |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
^ same |
| 14:27 |
Megaf |
By the way, where can I find some epic .mid or .mod music? |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
Megaf: http://amp.dascene.net/ , https://modarchive.org/ , etc |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
shtoyle |
| 14:31 |
Megaf |
Guess how large is the the subgame I run on my server |
| 14:32 |
Megaf |
Lord_Buckethead: ^ |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
>repeat until os.clock() > ntime |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
is this a joke |
| 14:36 |
Lord_Buckethead |
only way to do it synchronously |
| 14:37 |
Lord_Buckethead |
I suppose I could just let them connect and then kick them latter |
| 14:37 |
sfan5 |
I wouldn't except that to even work |
| 14:37 |
sfan5 |
"sleeping" by spinning the cpu is still a terrible idea |
| 14:38 |
Lord_Buckethead |
I know but there doesn't seem to be a better way to do it in lua |
| 14:38 |
Krock |
[shitpost] When will we finally add this mining tool to minetest_game? https://techgage.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/AMD-Radeon-RX-Vega-64-Angled-Shot.jpg |
| 14:42 |
Megaf |
Krock: lmao, it took me a whie to get the joke |
| 14:42 |
xerox123 |
is there anything that can make a sapling grow faster? |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
:P |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
xerox123, planting a 2nd one |
| 14:42 |
Megaf |
xerox123: bonemeal from tenplus1 |
| 14:42 |
xerox123 |
hm, ok |
| 14:43 |
Megaf |
Lord_Buckethead: I updated "minetest_game" now saplings and stuff is working as it should, bug fixed |
| 14:44 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, the issue with making it async would be that pointless accounts will still be created then |
| 14:44 |
Lord_Buckethead |
iirc you can delete them from auth but not from the player db |
| 14:45 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IXKS1O8kk |
| 14:47 |
xerox123 |
making a map for ruben's CTF |
| 14:48 |
Lord_Buckethead |
!title |
| 14:48 |
MinetestBot |
Lord_Buckethead: Ghidorah - Water sky - YouTube |
| 14:49 |
Megaf |
[14:37:39] <sfan5> "sleeping" by spinning the cpu is still a terrible idea |
| 14:50 |
Megaf |
is this in a mod or how Minetest works? |
| 14:50 |
sfan5 |
1) |
| 14:51 |
Lord_Buckethead |
only way lua lets you do it, but yes a mod |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
Eh, I'm sure there must be another way |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
can't a POSIX syscal be used if Lua just can't do that? |
| 14:54 |
Lord_Buckethead |
not without require |
| 14:54 |
Lord_Buckethead |
or some other mod security by-pass |
| 14:54 |
Lord_Buckethead |
easier to just rewrite it to kick the player afterwards, plus that would solve the issue of server load |
| 14:56 |
xerox123 |
I just noticed something, the two flags are going to end up being 500+ nodes apart |
| 14:56 |
celeron55 |
i, for one, read through that code, saw what it did and was fine with it and didn't even mention it |
| 14:56 |
xerox123 |
"oops" |
| 14:56 |
celeron55 |
apparently some others care :D |
| 14:58 |
celeron55 |
it's only natural that that happens when the engine wants to synchronously know a result and the http api only allows polling |
| 15:20 |
rubenwardy |
waaaa |
| 15:20 |
rubenwardy |
where's rubenbot |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
netsplit since 7am CET |
| 15:24 |
rubenwardy |
huh, not even connecting now |
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| 15:24 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 15:24 |
rubenwardy |
somehow the channel list was empty? \o/ |
| 15:25 |
celeron55 |
(it should be noted that the api does not specify that it would work that way though; it might be updated some day to require a return from lua before the result of fetch_async_get changes) |
| 16:01 |
Fixer |
audiophile console https://i.imgur.com/hrQM3nM.png |
| 16:05 |
celeron55 |
i may now have added a few obvious people to http://hub.minetest.net/ |
| 16:06 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, how often do you get such large amounts of new players? |
| 16:06 |
celeron55 |
if you weren't there and still aren't and/or your info is wrong, don't be surprised |
| 16:06 |
rubenwardy |
ah, ctrl+shift+r helps |
| 16:07 |
celeron55 |
(also, now is a good time to nag me with any exact changes you want on the listing) |
| 16:08 |
red-001 |
celeron55, mind adding me as a minetest contributor? |
| 16:08 |
IhrFussel |
I am a server owner too (since almost 2 years) |
| 16:09 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, mostly on weekends ... feels like actual waves (spam joining for 30-60 minutes then it's quite again) |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
Guys, like and share this video please https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1GH2FEIe-Q |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 16:10 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Main Channel Is Down Again - YouTube |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
CodysLab ^ |
| 16:11 |
Fixer |
some script kiddies? |
| 16:12 |
celeron55 |
red-001, IhrFussel: noted |
| 16:12 |
Fixer |
not sure how Wuzzy is not in this channel |
| 16:13 |
rubenwardy |
he doesn't like it |
| 16:23 |
Sokomine |
how many areas exist on your servers (provided you've got the areas mod installed)? |
| 16:24 |
Sokomine |
the villages use a very similar mechanism. i wonder if it can be used in order to check if a house in an overlapping mapchunk needs processing at mapgen time |
| 16:26 |
Fixer |
sofar: installed qbittorent - now it downloads your Earth file |
| 16:27 |
red-001 |
how much data can minetest.serialize handle? |
| 16:29 |
Sokomine |
red-001: very good question. eventually my villages will hit that limit (if it exists) |
| 16:29 |
celeron55 |
as much as you can fit in the lua environment's memory |
| 16:29 |
red-001 |
Sokomine, was thinking more of IhrFussel's issue |
| 16:29 |
Sokomine |
sounds good, celeron55 |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
and lua env mem sucks |
| 16:30 |
red-001 |
which I would expect would have happened on some server already but still |
| 16:30 |
celeron55 |
well, we all know it's kind of limited |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
sad, hope for stable gc64 |
| 16:30 |
Sokomine |
red-001: the players joining in groups? guess many of them are tablet users. they might not be very happy on ihrfussels server with all that media content there |
| 16:30 |
red-001 |
Sokomine, the areas database getting corrupted |
| 16:31 |
Sokomine |
aah. yes. still...how many areas there are would be of intrest to me |
| 16:35 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, I got ~ 6,000 protections in the file |
| 16:39 |
red-001 |
nvm looks like a minetest.serialize failure should get logged |
| 16:40 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, what was in the corrupt database? |
| 16:40 |
red-001 |
did you try to manually dump it after loading it with minetest.deserialize? |
| 16:40 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, areas uses no DB, it's a .dat file and it#s not corrupt, it just fails to load sometimes it seems...or it fails to save |
| 16:41 |
red-001 |
I know it's not a real database, but a dumped lua table |
| 16:41 |
IhrFussel |
But it definitely seems to be linked to server shutdown...it didn't happen during runtime (yet) |
| 16:42 |
red-001 |
I was thinking maybe it's linked with start up, it fails to save correctly at some point and then you restart, it fails to load it so it falls back to an empty table |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
areas should be using minetest.safe_file_write() |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
before you ask: yes, it's available in 0.4.17 |
| 16:44 |
red-001 |
sfan5, is there anything you need to be careful about when using that api? |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 16:45 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, what makes it so much safer compared to io.open() ? I thought lua is just singlecore so no 2 operations should be executed at the same time |
| 16:46 |
IhrFussel |
singlethreaded* |
| 16:46 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, it uses a safer api on linux |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
it doesn't delete the old data if the write fails |
| 16:48 |
red-001 |
it might also be a bit safer on windows but it should be a lot less likely to damage the data on linux |
| 16:48 |
IhrFussel |
Would it maybe also help to write a "repat action" function in case of a failure? |
| 16:49 |
IhrFussel |
repeat* |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
no that won't help |
| 16:51 |
red-001 |
well it would if someone has to use 0.4.16 |
| 16:54 |
red-001 |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/pull/28 |
| 16:54 |
red-001 |
!title |
| 16:54 |
MinetestBot |
red-001: Use the new `minetest.safe_file_write` API if possible when saving database. by red-001 · Pull Request #28 · ShadowNinja/areas · GitHub |
| 17:06 |
IhrFussel |
So checking if a new feature is available on the server is as simple as "if not minetest.function then print("Sorry your version is noit supported!") end" ? |
| 17:07 |
rubenwardy |
assert(minetest.function, "Minetest is too old to run this mod. VERSION or later required") |
| 17:07 |
red-001 |
^ |
| 17:09 |
IhrFussel |
So is if not minetest.function then wrong or just not accurate? |
| 17:09 |
IhrFussel |
Cause lots of mods I saw use that simple check without assert() |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
assert or error stop the mod from running |
| 17:10 |
IhrFussel |
Ah I see... but internally it also only checks "if not minetest.function then" |
| 17:16 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: thanks! 6000 might be much for actual protection check when players dig/place but ought to be well below anything where size of the savefile could matter |
| 18:01 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, I don't think it's cause of the filesize :P |
| 18:02 |
IhrFussel |
Guys does offset x=-80 mean 80px on ALL screens? Cause on a 4K monitor 80px is like nothing and on mine it's almost 1/10 |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
which offset are you talking about? |
| 18:03 |
IhrFussel |
HUD |
| 18:04 |
IhrFussel |
I'm thinking about how to position a certain text HUD so that it's pretty far on the right on all screens |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
the hud uses a "scaled" unit similar to formspecs IIRC |
| 18:05 |
IhrFussel |
Are you sure that this also applies to text? |
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| 18:53 |
tumeninodes |
celeron55: thank you for adding me to the list, could you also list me as a Minetest Game contributor? It's the narcissist in me :P |
| 18:59 |
celeron55 |
github only lists four commits for you in there |
| 18:59 |
celeron55 |
if that's accurate, then maybe i won't 8) |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
He's contributed textures in other commits than his own, but not sure how many |
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| 19:00 |
tumeninodes |
ah, no problem |
| 19:01 |
red-001 |
2018-02-04 19:01:43: ERROR[Main]: Some exception: "One or more noise parameters were invalid or require too much memory" |
| 19:02 |
red-001 |
never got that error in 0.4.16 |
| 19:02 |
red-001 |
but it seems to happen every so often in 0.5-dev or 0.4.17-dev |
| 19:02 |
celeron55 |
if a _game developer thinks tumeninodes should be listed as that, then i'll add it |
| 19:03 |
tumeninodes |
seriously, it's not that big of a deal, I had not taken into consideration # of commits and that system makes perfect sense to me |
| 19:04 |
celeron55 |
:D |
| 19:05 |
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Topic for #minetest-hub is now Keep offtopic short | http://hub.minetest.net/ | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/ | Keep offtopic short |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
i set up / to show something useful so now the topic doesn't need two links |
| 19:13 |
red-001 |
oh great clearing some memory and trying to run that world again, results in minetest using up 8 gb of memory in 5 seconds and freezing the whole system |
| 19:14 |
red-001 |
now that I think about it the same thing happend last time I got that error |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
holy moses. |
| 19:19 |
IhrFussel |
"fussel how do i crash this server" ... kiddies |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
if someone else hates thier filesystem https://transfer.sh/r2gsW/map_meta.txt |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
be warned the only way I could get the system to recover was to pull the plug |
| 19:22 |
red-001 |
!tell paramat found a new bug that results in minetest using up all the memory, it seems to be mapgen related, see log for details |
| 19:22 |
MinetestBot |
red-001: I'll pass that on when paramat is around |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
red-001: fwiw, if you just wait out swap thrash, it'll recover... just takes forever |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
(linux is just a little braindead about it) |
| 19:26 |
red-001 |
ok looks like I set my chunksize to be way to high |
| 19:26 |
red-001 |
too* |
| 19:27 |
red-001 |
doesn't explain why it doesn't usually happen, but maybe that setting should be range limited |
| 19:27 |
Sokomine |
how high was your chunksize? |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
why is there even the option to change it at all? |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
what purpose does it serve? |
| 19:28 |
red-001 |
Sokomine, 100, I think its from when I was trying to test something and never reset it |
| 19:29 |
Sokomine |
i did experience strange behaviour of mt up until a few weeks. it sometimes even pulled the entire system down. had to resort to magic sysrequest or even physically rebooting sometimes. i still think that there was something else wrong with my system |
| 19:30 |
Sokomine |
red-001: urgs. er. don't run mg_villages with such a setting. it reads all into voxelmanip if there's a village inside |
| 19:31 |
red-001 |
alright mystery solved the worlds that worked must have been created before hand and had a sane chunksize setting |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
celeron55: there are two "keep offtopic short" in topic |
| 19:31 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: good question. guess it's there to have the option should need arise. in theory a larger chunksize makes it a lot easier to write mapgens |
| 19:31 |
celeron55 |
hmm, weird |
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Topic for #minetest-hub is now Keep offtopic short | http://hub.minetest.net/ | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/ |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
Really? |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
I think celeron55 should be deoped |
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| 19:33 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: Feb-04 19:22 UTC <red-001> found a new bug that results in minetest using up all the memory, it seems to be mapgen related, see log for details |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
I think we should take over Minetest |
| 19:33 |
paramat |
red-001 running any mods? |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
start a rebelion |
| 19:33 |
* Sokomine |
forks paramat |
| 19:33 |
paramat |
ow |
| 19:34 |
* Megaf |
can't tell exatly what changed in the topic |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
paramat, turned out to just be badly set chunksize, there really should be a warning when changing that |
| 19:34 |
paramat |
ah, too big |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
too small also causes issues |
| 19:34 |
paramat |
what issues? |
| 19:34 |
red-001 |
with 1 dungeongen freaks out and half the world is dungeons |
| 19:35 |
paramat |
yes |
| 19:35 |
celeron55 |
Megaf: first, you should change the name; the name is just so stupid |
| 19:35 |
celeron55 |
then, you realize you don't need to even put up a fight |
| 19:35 |
paramat |
dungeons and large caves are 1 per mapchunk, so density increases |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
I know right? One of the stupid decision we make when young |
| 19:35 |
* Megaf |
hides |
| 19:36 |
Sokomine |
ah. that is good to know, paramat. wasn't aware of that. so 1 house/mapchunk might be a reasonable amount as well |
| 19:36 |
paramat |
chunksize is generally advised to leave alone or alter just a little |
| 19:37 |
red-001 |
paramat, I say that should be mentioned in advance settings |
| 19:37 |
red-001 |
along with an upper limit of say 15 or 20 |
| 19:37 |
paramat |
yes |
| 19:37 |
paramat |
better docs |
| 19:38 |
paramat |
and a limit |
| 19:38 |
red-001 |
btw I really like these new dungeons with loot |
| 19:38 |
paramat |
i'll add an issue |
| 19:39 |
paramat |
the upper limit should be quite small since it enlarges all lua voxelmanips too, like 6 or 7 |
| 19:39 |
Sokomine |
havn't seen those yet. but mtg got really nice with the fallen tree logs, occasional mushrooms and special dirt below jungletrees, plus that savanna biome. really nice to fly over a landscape now |
| 19:39 |
paramat |
the new limit won't affect existing worlds because chunksize is in map meta txt |
| 19:39 |
* red-001 |
¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 19:39 |
red-001 |
15 at least didn't crash my system |
| 19:40 |
red-001 |
so I suggested that |
| 19:40 |
paramat |
15 is insane =) |
| 19:40 |
Sokomine |
may depend on the system and if you have any voxelmanip-heavy mods installed. try 15 + mg_villages and see if lua can still handle that |
| 19:41 |
red-001 |
huh 3 looks nicer then standard 5 |
| 19:41 |
paramat |
yes it depends on mods used, but with 15 core mapgen becomes 27 times more intensive |
| 19:43 |
paramat |
mods will hit OOM limit much easier too |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
there's basically an overhead of 1 on all sides of a chunk when generating |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
so 3 is kind of wasteful |
| 19:44 |
celeron55 |
5 was chosen as the best compromise |
| 19:45 |
celeron55 |
or, really, i think i chose it single-handedly, but... |
| 19:46 |
Sokomine |
ah, you did that? paramat helped me talk to hmmm some years ago in order to figure out how that system with the overhead/shell actually works |
| 19:46 |
paramat |
well considering we now have mods calculating 3D noise for the whole mapchunk 5 is not small |
| 19:46 |
Sokomine |
cavegen is the natural enemy to all those who want to place houses at mapgen time :-) |
| 19:48 |
paramat |
yes the padding is very old, pre-hmmmm |
| 19:49 |
paramat |
celeron55 any help with MT is appreciated, dev is very slow recently |
| 19:49 |
paramat |
in engine anyway |
| 19:49 |
Sokomine |
when are lbms called? will at the time the lbm fires for first load of a block the block be actually fully generated? after all it could be a member of several mapchunks, not all of which might exist yet |
| 19:55 |
Fixer |
pre-hmmmm :D |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
post hmmm-authoritarian era |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
it is really sad there are not much populated 0.5.0-git servers |
| 19:59 |
* red-001 |
mentions something about not being able to filter the serverlist to only have 0.5 servers |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
it's sorted |
| 20:06 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: maybe sort buttons could help. it's definitely not sorted by can join/cant or anything else. probably its sorted by "last joined" |
| 20:07 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: 30008 is not announcing? |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
the servers you can't join are always at the bottom |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
so with a 0.5.0 client you'll see all the 0.5.0 servers at the top |
| 20:07 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: not for me. i tested the latest git version yesterday and the list was total chaos |
| 20:08 |
red-001 |
servers you joined before are still at the top iirc |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: poke whoever runs the master list. the server config is unchanged in months. |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
it's a mt engine |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
issue |
| 20:08 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: 30008 is creative-building? |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
yes. |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine, red-001: https://i.rubenwardy.com/gqKZVLifMi.png |
| 20:08 |
red-001 |
so sf*n5 |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
it is |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: 0.4.17-dev, fwiw. updated yesterday. |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
> |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
* ? |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
he's afraid to ping sfan5 ;) |
| 20:10 |
sfan5 |
🤔 |
| 20:10 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: sorry. was my error. accidently started an older version and not current dev |
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| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: maybe you need to allow more entries for my IP? |
| 20:12 |
sfan5 |
the limit is either "just one" or "as many as you want", so no that's not it |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
there should be 8 to 10 servers on that IP (My 5, plus mtz, bananaland, and I forget who else) |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: provide readme with general info and howto use in https://github.com/IhrFussel/freeze |
| 20:30 |
IhrFussel |
Done |
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| 20:35 |
Fixer |
ty |
| 20:38 |
Fixer |
https://gfycat.com/PlayfulDownrightBlackpanther O____o |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
wonder if thats possible with our mods |
| 20:44 |
NathanS21 |
I think the digtron mod can do that. |
| 20:50 |
red-001 |
once team offtopic shows up expect the topic to take a turn for the worse |
| 20:53 |
paramat |
ugh azekill |
| 20:53 |
paramat |
(every other post in screenshots) |
| 20:54 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: what does that mod (or game or whatever?) do? |
| 20:54 |
red-001 |
also no reason to use off |
| 20:54 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: builds infinite cobble line out of cobble gen in vanilla minecraft |
| 20:55 |
red-001 |
it's not as if they claim not to be shitpost/offtopicpost |
| 20:55 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: clearly shitposting |
| 20:55 |
red-001 |
*ing |
| 20:55 |
paramat |
rubenwardy is there anything we can do about azekill? |
| 20:55 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: oh. cobble. *running away screaming* |
| 20:55 |
paramat |
azekill is the only one of the worst s***posters who still does it |
| 20:55 |
red-001 |
paramat, add to foes list and then script your browser to hide posts from there |
| 20:56 |
paramat |
yes i have azekill as foe already |
| 20:56 |
paramat |
still irritating =) |
| 20:56 |
paramat |
because i see an extra-thick separater line between posts and know that's azekill |
| 20:57 |
paramat |
and of course when browsing not logged in |
| 20:58 |
paramat |
the posting in screenshots is really bad, and they add a random screenshot to 'justify' it |
| 20:59 |
Sokomine |
i hate those random screenshots as well. if it's something where people got creative - or something where the viewer can see something in mapgen - then it's fine |
| 21:00 |
paramat |
well, i'll start attending to azekill myself if mods don't >=) |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
Why don't shitposters get banned?? They don't contribute to the community, they are just an annoyance most of the time |
| 21:02 |
IhrFussel |
A temp ban could help already |
| 21:02 |
Sokomine |
guess you'll just have to give him something to do so that he has less time posting on the forum. there's enough that could be tested, but...even testers need attention, and if they're young, they need much more help |
| 21:03 |
IhrFussel |
They make my topic look like a joke...that's what makes me mad |
| 21:04 |
IhrFussel |
The only "positive" thing about it is that they keep the topic on 1st page |
| 21:04 |
paramat |
no need for a ban, azekill has already been temp banned, little improvement |
| 21:05 |
Sokomine |
hmm. i don't think they view jokes as bad and in their own way value your mod by posting there |
| 21:07 |
paramat |
(i mean, no need for a perma-ban) |
| 21:07 |
* Sokomine |
nods to paramat |
| 21:07 |
paramat |
server owners #7009 |
| 21:07 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7009 -- Guest mode |
| 21:07 |
IhrFussel |
I gotta say it doesn't really motivate me to create more public mods if my first one gets such shitposting already, but that might be just me |
| 21:07 |
paramat |
might be controversial |
| 21:11 |
Sokomine |
maybe azekill feared that the mod might be used against him. hard to tell from 2 letters |
| 21:13 |
IhrFussel |
Yeah well AFAIK he's a member of team "amarza" and the claim to "rescue" servers by overtaking them in a way |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
They are just addicted to post count and so don't post actual "content" |
| 21:13 |
red-001 |
^ |
| 21:14 |
red-001 |
give people a number and they will want to increase it |
| 21:14 |
IhrFussel |
they* |
| 21:14 |
Shara |
But Fussel, you have to remember it's not them you work on mods for. |
| 21:14 |
celeron55 |
one day, they'll grow up and they'll want their accounts and all of their posts deleted |
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| 21:21 |
CWz |
IhrFussel, what mod would that be |
| 21:23 |
IhrFussel |
Looks like the posts got removed, thanks for that https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19575 |
| 21:23 |
paramat |
thanks to mods |
| 21:24 |
tumeninodes |
does phpBB have some sort of way to "upvote" a mod? This "may" reduce shitposting if forum members have some way to show they like it? |
| 21:24 |
sfan5 |
most forum softwares are have an (optional) thanking feature |
| 21:25 |
tumeninodes |
I would give that a test then run to see if it reduces the problem, it can't hurt |
| 21:26 |
tumeninodes |
*test run then (yay dyslexia) |
| 21:28 |
tumeninodes |
post your screenshots thread is difficult to cull, if someone sees a really nice or interesting screenshot, they are going to want to comment on it. |
| 21:28 |
tumeninodes |
however "one" comment on it should suffice |
| 21:29 |
paramat |
well, then you get far more comments than screenshots :] |
| 21:29 |
tumeninodes |
(or they are going to want to ask what the screenshot is about) |
| 21:30 |
tumeninodes |
this is true |
| 21:31 |
tumeninodes |
one thing to be careful of though, if you constantly barrage forum members and scold for some things, the forum becomes barren |
| 21:31 |
red-001 |
eh should we be allowing external avatars? |
| 21:37 |
tumeninodes |
and maybe don't show/use post counts, but ranks instead? though with phpbb I am not sure how that works |
| 21:38 |
paramat |
post count is not much to blame, they would continue anyway |
| 21:38 |
tumeninodes |
and ranks can maybe be attributed to the "thanking" feature. I have to look over phpbb I am not that familiar with it |
| 21:39 |
tumeninodes |
paramat, another true statement |
| 21:44 |
tumeninodes |
maybe ranks is not what I am looking for although, they do specify that ranks can be used in a fun way such as " They can be also given out for fun, such as Idiot of the Week" so... that works :P |
| 21:55 |
red-001 |
https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26521409/ |
| 21:57 |
Sokomine |
paramat: sounds fine if the post-your-screenshots-thread gets taken over by commets. comments take far less bandwidth than screenshots and load much faster |
| 21:58 |
Sokomine |
a thank-you-feature on the forum would be great |
| 21:59 |
rubenwardy |
ban them all! |
| 22:00 |
Sokomine |
no :-) |
| 22:00 |
red-001 |
small issue with that script it will only work if you don't have them on your foe list |
| 22:00 |
* tumeninodes |
is sometimes concerned about rubenwardy |
| 22:00 |
* red-001 |
supports all this banning |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
tumeninodes: all of us are, all the time :P |
| 22:00 |
* Sokomine |
sends them all on to rubenwardys server |
| 22:00 |
tumeninodes |
hehe |
| 22:01 |
red-001 |
while you are at it rm -rf --no-preverse-root offtopic |
| 22:01 |
red-001 |
while you are at it rm -rf --no-preserve-root offtopic |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 22:01 |
rubenwardy |
I think you mean |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
freudian slip? ;0 |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 22:01 |
tumeninodes |
double posting... ban! |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
rm -rf --no-preserve-root On-topic 'Related to "mine" or "test"' 'Just 1 inch off from a topic. Maximum.' |
| 22:02 |
red-001 |
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com |
| 22:04 |
* tumeninodes |
grants rubenwardy some leadway cuz he has a cool voice and accent... though I detected a bit of vocal fry in his last video, tsk tsk... :P |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
I had to record each sentence like 3 times |
| 22:06 |
tumeninodes |
phpbb has a star system (I think) |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
plus audacity is very bugg |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
+y |
| 22:07 |
tumeninodes |
haha, well I shouldn't laugh, I am horrible at both making videos and speaking |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
which means the frustration in my voice probably varied per sentence |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
kdenlive was easier than last time I used it |
| 22:08 |
tumeninodes |
is frustration another term for vocal fry? |
| 22:08 |
rubenwardy |
dunno |
| 22:08 |
rubenwardy |
I mean, I just googled vocal fry to find out what it means |
| 22:08 |
rubenwardy |
and it sounds like smokers' voice |
| 22:08 |
rubenwardy |
so thanks :D |
| 22:08 |
tumeninodes |
:D you'll not thank me when you find out |
| 22:10 |
rubenwardy |
want to make videos in the future |
| 22:10 |
rubenwardy |
with hopefully better luck than NathanS |
| 22:11 |
rubenwardy |
Discussing Minetest Curriculum https://twitter.com/MinetestVideos |
| 22:11 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 22:11 |
tumeninodes |
good $$ in it, especially for educational firms |
| 22:11 |
tumeninodes |
yes, he had some serious streaming issues going on |
| 22:12 |
tumeninodes |
he may have taken a chainsaw to his equipment, I have not seen any updates |
| 22:14 |
tumeninodes |
ugh, have to go feed my invalid 14yo, bbl |
| 22:14 |
rubenwardy |
ha, cya |
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| 22:36 |
Sokomine |
that's a pity. nathans' videos where very fine. at least the ones i saw |
| 22:38 |
NathanS21 |
It was a problem with Youtube |
| 22:38 |
NathanS21 |
I think they hate me. ;) |
| 22:39 |
NathanS21 |
Uploaded a video today, and it worked just fine, for some reason yesterday they just wouldn't take my data fast enough. |
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| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
NathanS21: were you only streaming to youtube, or to twitch as well? |
| 22:44 |
NathanS21 |
Just Youtube |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
odd |
| 22:44 |
NathanS21 |
well trying to stream to youtube, it didn't work that well |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 22:45 |
rubenwardy |
I can't improvise whilst recording, I tend to need to record the same thing a few times |
| 22:45 |
rubenwardy |
something about microphones make speaking weird |
| 22:45 |
NathanS21 |
I don't think I can stream to multiple services at once. |
| 22:45 |
rubenwardy |
well, it appears you can't even stream to one! |
| 22:46 |
NathanS21 |
yesterday I sure couldn't! |
| 22:48 |
NathanS21 |
I was actually pretty excited to do the stream, had notes and everything prepared, and then youtube just refused to play nice. |
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