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00:39 Megaf good night all
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01:02 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/BqXHfwV.png
01:04 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/67RLlhq.png
01:12 Shara Fixer: Underground light source now?
01:13 Fixer low light sources
01:13 Shara I assume from height you placed them?
01:13 Fixer you can place them by hand
01:13 Shara Of course
01:13 Shara But you don't get the height then
01:13 Mr_Pardison well, cya tomorrow.
01:13 Shara I just worried for  amoment they might show up in caves
01:14 Mr_Pardison pasta a lego peeps!
01:14 Fixer Shara: i've placed them
01:14 Shara See you Mr P
01:16 Fixer you can place them whatever you like https://i.imgur.com/eZzLc5j.png
01:17 Fixer gn
01:17 Shara Yes, but direct against whatever you click
01:18 Shara Looks like a constellation
01:22 Fixer right
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01:54 * tumeninodes has reworked the default_glass.png for my own purposes. While doing this, I remembered seeing a few videos where users comment on the default_glass_detail.png and they don't really care for it so, I have an idea to make it optional.
01:55 tumeninodes But, my thoughts are in 2 areas. I can either A- simple put up a TP with this new default glass look, and no default glass detail or B- see if I can add it as a setting whether the glass detail is used or not, and open an issue or PR for it? Any thoughts?
01:57 Shara Sadly I'd need to be more awake for thoughts. I think looking at your current PR was the last tiny bit of energy I have for the night :D
01:59 tumeninodes : ) Go get some zzzzz's, and thank you for the comment, (will do)
02:00 Shara Soon :)
02:00 ThomasMonroe cya tumeninodes
02:00 ThomasMonroe oops nvmd
02:00 ThomasMonroe I saw the ) as I XD
02:01 tumeninodes ha, I was thinking "where am I going?"
02:02 ThomasMonroe lol
02:04 ThomasMonroe paulm!?!!?
02:04 ThomasMonroe I have a player with that name on LoS
02:06 ThomasMonroe :/
02:07 ThomasMonroe what username are you using?
02:10 ThomasMonroe ok
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02:37 tumeninodes https://imgur.com/a/fNvPx
02:37 tumeninodes !title
02:37 MinetestBot tumeninodes: new default glass look? - Album on Imgur
02:42 ThomasMonroe looks nice ;)
02:43 tumeninodes thank you, I wanted to style it closely to the obsidian layout
02:44 ThomasMonroe there might be a possible problem, as there would not be much difference then
02:44 tumeninodes don;t get much diff than black n white my friend... ; )
02:45 ThomasMonroe true :D
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10:17 tenplus1 hi folks
10:19 shivajiva Hiya tenplus
10:20 tenplus1 hi shiva :)
10:22 tenplus1 been watching Grizzly Adam on the forum, he's making some nice mods :) "Your Dad's BBQ Mod", and now "Your Dad's Smoking & Drinking" mod
10:22 shivajiva lol
10:23 tenplus1 https://github.com/Grizzly-Adam/BBQ
10:31 Raven262 Hi ten, shivajiva
10:31 tenplus1 hi raven
10:33 shivajiva Hello Raven
10:36 shivajiva that mod is quite extensive
10:37 tenplus1 plenty of food items to craft and a bbq grill :P  wait until his smoke * drink one appears
10:44 shivajiva presumably it will effect player physics lol
10:48 tenplus1 kinda wish it did... we still need player:set_velocity() to do anything
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10:52 tenplus1 hi CWz
10:55 CWz ello
11:02 * tenplus1 fires up the grill :P
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12:11 tenplus1 hi fixer
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12:17 Krock hi tenplus1
12:17 Krock WOOOOSHHH
12:20 tenplus1 hey krock...
12:20 * tenplus1 noms korean bbq beef :D
12:20 tenplus1 ehehe
12:20 tenplus1 hows things ?
12:21 * tenplus1 wonders how long it'll take before minetest switches to Godot as engine
12:23 sfan5 very long
12:23 tenplus1 ehehehe, hi sfan
12:26 tenplus1 it was a big news item today on tech sites... godot 3.0
12:29 Krock tenplus1, here? I'm fine .. trying to review some PRs and fetch the good reddit content
12:29 tenplus1 ahh, good luck on both :) heh
12:29 tenplus1 any interesting pr's for today ?
12:30 Krock 105 minus a few needing rebase, are stalling or too controversial
12:30 tenplus1 o.O controversial ? which one's ?
12:32 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls​?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3AControversial mainly latter one
12:35 nerzhul Krock, ASIO rebase is not easy heh, i conflcit with my game refactor PR :p
12:36 nerzhul Krock, i think we should find the float serialization solution ASAP
12:37 Krock nerzhul, conflict? well, that's a self-built grave: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/m​obile/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg
12:37 nerzhul heh :p
12:39 Krock nerzhul, well here's a proposal for the float stuff: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6312#issuecomment-339429303
12:39 Krock inb4 I have no clue how to unittest. stalled.
12:47 nerzhul Krock, at least write and read it and ensure value is good on the same arch :p
12:47 nerzhul (with a maximum of 0.05% error if possible
12:49 tenplus1 back in a bit
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13:34 RobbieF Hey all
13:34 Mr-Pardison morning.
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13:44 shivajiva Hi Robbie
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13:44 IhrFussel WHAT THE HECK...why is my areas.dat file almost empty?? Corruption?
13:45 sfan5 possible
13:45 sfan5 what does "almost empty" mean though?
13:45 IhrFussel There is 1 protection in it instead of thousands
13:45 RobbieF yikes
13:45 Mr-Pardison oh
13:45 Mr-Pardison yeesh
13:45 ThomasMonroe hiya RobbieF
13:45 RobbieF \o
13:45 Krock heads up, you didn't lose it all
13:47 * RobbieF observes as Krock swoops in to save the day
13:47 sfan5 IhrFussel: does the file look structurally intact?
13:48 IhrFussel "return {{["owner"] = "Sheipai", ["pos2"] = {["y"] = 49, ["x"] = -8451, ["z"] = -6509}, ["name"] = "Shei Starter", ["pos1"] = {["y"] = 49, ["x"] = -8462, ["z"] = -6530}}}"
13:48 * Krock wonders how RobbieF expects that Krock would save the day
13:49 Krock IhrFussel, it probably failed before you noticed it. it left the file either empty or deleted it
13:49 Krock I guess that record is just a new one that came in
13:49 IhrFussel How can that happen?? I thought race conditions are not possible in mods
13:50 sfan5 it's not a race condition
13:50 sfan5 it's just writing to the file in an unsafe way
13:50 sfan5 minetest recently gained a method to do this correctly
13:50 RobbieF how's your backup?
13:51 RobbieF now would be the time to restore and you can quickly protect that new one that came in
13:51 Krock .. or just add it manually to the file
13:51 RobbieF "Shei Starter"
13:52 RobbieF Lots of risk for syntax error though
13:52 RobbieF best to add in game unless you're absolutely certain of the syntax
13:52 RobbieF it's a messy file to say the least.
13:53 RobbieF especially if that user already has some areas
13:53 RobbieF best to add the new area to the restored backup in game and then /change_owner
13:53 RobbieF (safest)
13:53 IhrFussel The last backup is from ~ 1 week ago...better than nothing I guess
13:54 RobbieF not bad
13:54 RobbieF could be worse, could be better :p
13:54 RobbieF does your server use SSD's?
13:55 IhrFussel Yes it's a SSD
13:55 Krock rip data
13:55 RobbieF So I'm wondering if it was a dirty shutdown while stuff was still in the buffer.
13:55 RobbieF With SSD's make sure you "sudo sync" before shutdown
13:55 IhrFussel Nope I restarted it 2 times earlier, but it was a proper shutdown
13:55 sfan5 the kernel will do that
13:55 sfan5 the same kind of truncation can happen with HDDs too
13:55 RobbieF sfan5 only if a clean shutdown
13:56 sfan5 of course
13:56 RobbieF in event of a crash, it can lose data if you don't manually sync
13:56 IhrFussel Or is killall minetestserver not a proper shutdown?
13:56 sfan5 it's not
13:56 RobbieF no
13:56 RobbieF and if you do that and re-run the game before a sync, you can corrupt data
13:56 RobbieF and even still, can corrupt data  :p
13:56 sfan5 the correct way to shutdown MT is killall -INT minetestserver
13:57 RobbieF ^^ ONLY if you run ONE MINETEST SERVER
13:57 RobbieF incorrect if you run multiple
13:57 RobbieF (use MTSA)
13:57 IhrFussel But minetest catches the normal killall signal and seems to run all shutdown callbacks
13:57 sfan5 let me check
13:58 RobbieF MTSA's stop-minetest.sh command is how we do it.
13:58 sfan5 indeed, you're right that is a clean shutdown
13:58 IhrFussel I never had a problem with killall in almost 2 years...must've been very bad luck
13:59 RobbieF Full moon?
14:13 IhrFussel I'm getting really paranoid with MT now... I added a areas.dat backup copy to each server restart
14:15 RobbieF make sure there's some intelligence there, otherwise if it is crashing in a loop, it'll just keep overwriting, even if the file is bad
14:20 IhrFussel The backup didn't work at first...but after another server restart I see the protections now again
14:21 RobbieF Great!
14:22 IhrFussel Maybe the server was shutting down while someone tried to add a protection? Could that cause corruption?
14:24 Krock generally everything that caused a crash while it was saving the stuff
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14:25 RobbieF hypothetical, but let's say you "killed" the server while someone was saving a new area, and then your server reloaded...
14:25 RobbieF hard to know for sure without detailed logs of the event.
14:26 Krock yeah in theory it's possible but in reality you'll never have that "perfect" timing to kill it exactly then when it's writing
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14:46 IhrFussel But it must've been during a write action since areas only touches the file then
14:51 Megaf morning/day/evening
14:52 Mr-Pardison morning.
14:54 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-29 17:56:25: [Server] Teresa57 [146.66.10.244] joins game.
14:54 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-29 17:56:25: [Server] Teresa57 joins game. List of players: Teresa57
14:54 Megaf heh
14:54 Megaf I think people are attacking my server too
14:55 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-28 17:33:01: [Server] Strength675 [187.190.160.56] joins game.
14:55 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-28 23:06:38: [Server] Backbone383 [184.65.213.148] joins game.
14:55 Megaf That's what I canll a waste of life, attacking Megaf Server...
14:55 IhrFussel "how did you choose your name" "I typed it?" "oh"
14:55 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-30 11:32:43: [Server] Allinder951 [188.49.200.213] joins game.
14:56 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-30 06:37:52: [Server] Dyrstad750 [120.193.236.50] joins game.
14:56 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-30 03:26:20: [Server] Rhynard935 [123.4.220.165] joins game.
14:56 Megaf <ACTION> 2018-01-30 01:17:23: [Server] sallee [109.74.204.217] joins game.
14:56 Megaf There
14:56 Megaf that was the attack
14:56 Megaf and IPs
14:58 CWz are you sure it was an attack
14:58 Megaf yep, can't you see the pattern in the nicknames?
14:58 Megaf all in the same timfraframe
14:58 Megaf timeframe*
15:00 CWz there is a knockoff client somewhere that uses random usernames to give player nicknames
15:00 CWz just like old guest
15:01 Megaf well, mapsize still the same. My server is very slow in generating land and loading the world
15:01 Megaf naturally immune to land gen attacks :P
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15:12 RobbieF haha oh dear Megaf
15:20 Megaf full disclosure. I'm a man. Lot's of people are nice to me because they think I'm a girl. Then they learn I'm a man and they never talk to me anymore.  Happens on IRC pretty often, for some reson people think 'F' is for Female and not for... Well, I will leave that to your minds.
15:21 Fuchs and there I always assumed you were an apache attack helicopter :(
15:22 Mr-Pardison but I thought you were a toaster......
15:22 Megaf I never said I'm human...
15:23 Mr-Pardison which is why I thought you were a toaster.
15:23 Megaf So I'm shiny on the outside and warm inside?
15:24 Fuchs jokes aside, I assume the issue is that your name looks close to Megan
15:24 ThomasMonroe and smell like burnt bread?
15:24 Megaf Fuchs: that too, been called Megan many times, even on this very channel
15:24 * Megaf goes to grab some coffee, brbr
15:25 Fuchs bring me one too, Megan
15:25 * ThomasMonroe thinks its a little difficult to grab coffee
15:25 ThomasMonroe Fuchs, LOL
15:25 Mr-Pardison >.>
15:26 * Megaf will have his coffee in a pint, very easy to grab a pint
15:26 * Megaf throws some fresh French Stype coffee at Fuchs
15:27 ThomasMonroe lol
15:27 * Fuchs burns to crispfox
15:27 Megaf Oo
15:27 Megaf Fuchs: you are supposed to raise your glass and catch it
15:28 * ThomasMonroe has a funeral for Fuchs
15:28 Megaf RIP
15:28 Megaf oh wait, he still alive
15:28 Mr-Pardison he's burnt to a crispfox!
15:28 ThomasMonroe the Toaster has toasted
15:28 * Megaf reading wikipedia articles on Boeing AH-64 and RAH-66
15:28 Megaf let's see where they will lead me to today
15:29 ThomasMonroe through the air, into another airport
15:29 Mr-Pardison or some other landing place.
15:29 ThomasMonroe preferably not suddenly XD
15:33 Megaf Fuchs: by the way, you cant be burns to crispfox. First because is water
15:34 Megaf second because my coffee is server around 86C
15:34 Mr-Pardison so, just watered-down coffee.
15:34 Mr-Pardison horrible.
15:34 Megaf third because it would lose hit when traveling in the air
15:34 Megaf Mr-Pardison: why do you assume is watered-down coffee?
15:35 Mr-Pardison i do not assume.
15:35 Mr-Pardison I guess.
15:35 Megaf well, it isnt
15:35 Megaf I make the best coffee in the world
15:36 Megaf The coffee style I made today is this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_press
15:37 ThomasMonroe is there any support for #6374?
15:37 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6374 -- Change default keybindings of camera, minimap, print stacks
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15:38 ThomasMonroe hiya twoelk
15:38 twoelk o/
15:38 twoelk \o
15:39 Megaf Hi twoelk
15:39 Megaf ThomasMonroe: usually I prefer having map on m or tab
15:39 Mr-Pardison \o/
15:40 ThomasMonroe M is mute sound
15:47 IhrFussel M is mute in 0.5.0-dev..in 0.4.16 it's "set volume to 0"
15:48 ThomasMonroe XD
15:48 IhrFussel Not sure if it got backported to 0.4.17
15:49 IhrFussel Let me check
15:49 ThomasMonroe I believe those terms are synonymous
15:50 IhrFussel Nope, still the same in 0.4.17
15:50 ThomasMonroe so TAB for minimap is fine?
15:51 IhrFussel I think tab is only used in the chat for autocompletion of user names so sounds fine IMO
15:55 Megaf well, autompletion is always broken..
15:55 Fixer "it's just writing to the file in an unsafe way" @ minetest in 2018
15:55 Fixer jhi
16:00 Megaf Fixer: where that comes from?
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16:13 tumeninodes quick repost https://imgur.com/a/fNvPx
16:13 tumeninodes !title
16:13 MinetestBot tumeninodes: new default glass look? - Album on Imgur
16:13 tumeninodes wahzam
16:15 red-001 Megaf, how so?
16:17 red-001 looks like "sallee" is in the list of names used by shitty mobile clients
16:18 IhrFussel red-001, those clients usually add a number
16:18 red-001 as is "Rhynard", "Dyrstad", "Allinder" and "Backbone"
16:19 red-001 alright looks like all those names are used by the clients
16:23 Megaf !tell paramat sorry mate. https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/6076#issuecomment-361647751
16:23 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when paramat is around
16:23 Megaf I need wine
16:24 sfan5 apt-get install wine
16:24 tumeninodes ha
16:25 Megaf Aluminium:/ megaf$ apt-get install wine
16:25 Megaf -bash: apt-get: command not found
16:25 tumeninodes is that the cheap version of Chrome? Aluminium
16:25 Mr-Pardison no.
16:26 Mr-Pardison that's chromium.
16:26 Megaf lol, cheap version
16:26 tumeninodes chrominium
16:26 Megaf chromium is superior to chome by the way
16:26 tumeninodes people round my parts often use aluminium on their bumpers when the chrome rots off
16:26 Megaf ==> Searching local taps...
16:26 Megaf twine-pypi                                   wine                                         winetricks                                   winexe
16:26 Megaf ==> Searching taps on GitHub...
16:26 Megaf caskroom/cask/wine-stable                                    caskroom/versions/wine-devel                                 caskroom/versions/wine-staging
16:26 Megaf kool
16:26 Megaf there is wine
16:27 Megaf I can do a brew install caskroom/cask/wine-stable
16:27 Megaf I wonder how well would that work
16:27 Megaf Apologies if I flooded
16:28 Megaf we need some support on #6975
16:28 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6975 -- [Feature request] Add ability to set mapgen vertical and horizontal limits separately.
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16:33 MinetestBot paramat: Jan-30 16:23 UTC <Megaf> sorry mate. https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/6076#issuecomment-361647751
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16:34 Megaf Hi paramat  :D
16:34 paramat hi, and no problem :)
16:35 Megaf No I'm sorry if my elaborated reply doesn't make sense
16:35 tumeninodes paramat, https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/2035
16:35 tumeninodes !title
16:35 MinetestBot tumeninodes: add obsidian_pane by TumeniNodes · Pull Request #2035 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
16:35 tumeninodes just thought I'd throw that at you while you're here :P
16:37 Megaf tumeninodes: there's many other devs here you can bother. xP
16:39 red-001 can someone remove WIP from #6982 and add "testing needed"?
16:40 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6982 -- Make settings files per-world. by red-001
16:40 Megaf lol. I have twice as many messages here as the second most talktive person of January. http://www.xeroxirc.net:81/minetest-hub/history.p​hp?cid=%23minetest-hub&amp;year=2018&amp;month=1
16:41 Mr-Pardison hey!
16:41 Megaf red-001: I didn't test the issue. Tho I do agree is a very welcome chage.
16:41 Mr-Pardison I made it on the list of afternoon talkers.
16:41 Mr-Pardison cool.
16:41 Fixer tumeninodes: -1 for new look, clear obsidian is good for many applications
16:41 Megaf red-001: Please, do re re re review your code, Try seeing thigns from different perspective. The idea is awesome already.
16:41 * red-001 wonders what the bot is called
16:41 Megaf Mr-Pardison: hah, cool
16:41 red-001 Megaf, only so much I can think of testing
16:42 red-001 settings are surprisingly complex
16:42 tumeninodes Fixer, I should have left the obsidian glass out of that shot. I was playing around with the glass_detail.pngs
16:43 Megaf Mr-Pardison: just for January tho :P
16:43 Mr-Pardison ik.
16:43 tumeninodes the focus is the default glass, my bad sorry
16:43 Megaf Here is for all time http://www.xeroxirc.net:81/minetest-hub/
16:44 tumeninodes I am also thinking if I should simply supply a sep default TP without glass detail or, make using glass detail optional via settings
16:44 red-001 finding bugs is dealing with unknown unknowns
16:44 tumeninodes seems quite a few people do not care for the look of glass_detail
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16:46 sofar tumeninodes: one of the problems is alpha sorting
16:46 sofar without that solved, it's going to remain looking inferior imho
16:48 tumeninodes sofar, true.. but with the current texture it just adds to the glitchy appearance
16:49 Megaf Ok, about chatting here. I just have decided that I will start writing in longer sentences, with proper puntuation. Hitting enter key less often. This way, the boat that is logging this channel, will consider my nick more "fluent". :)
16:49 sofar Megaf: a noble effort. The world will be a better place!
16:50 tumeninodes I honestly recommend removing the glass_detail altogether
16:51 Megaf sofar: I totally agree with you (insert sarcasm here). The world need more fluent (as the boat defines it) to keep spinning and getting better. So we all can have a better life.
16:51 Fixer heh, Nemo on JT2 made a weather mod that can place snow on lower slabs
16:51 sofar well, I! for one! will be using! more exclamation! marks!
16:51 Mr-Pardison shocking!
16:52 sofar since! apparently! that is a useful! metric!
16:52 Megaf Oh! No! sofar!
16:52 Megaf Exclamations887 Total
16:52 Megaf TotalUserExample
16:52 Megaf 1181MegafMinetestBot!
16:52 Megaf 772rubenwardyyes!
16:52 tumeninodes !!!!!!!!!!!
16:53 tumeninodes ^pure genius
16:53 * Mr-Pardison sighs and goes back to conducting overwatch on other channels
16:55 Fixer is not this nice? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=10&amp;t=15334&amp;start=1275#p309878
16:56 red-001 !title
16:56 MinetestBot red-001: [Server] Just Test Tribute (100 Years) - Minetest Forums
16:57 Mr-Pardison loks nice.
16:57 * Megaf clicks :)
16:58 Megaf the snowfall there does indeed look quite good I would say.
16:58 Mr-Pardison *looks
17:00 Megaf the snowfall there does indeed looks quite good I would say.
17:01 * Megaf actually apreaciates getting correct for grammar and spelling.
17:01 Megaf sometimes though   ^   I jus typo
17:01 Megaf no need to correct typos
17:02 Megaf paramat: I really don't know what to make of #6984
17:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6984 -- Allow entities to be active outside the set 'mapgen limit'
17:07 * Sokomine confiscates sofars exclamation marks and disposes of them in a black hole created by thousands of chests filled with cobble
17:08 * Mr-Pardison steals the chests and uses the cobble in his auto-crafters
17:08 sofar Sokomine: here's my sarcasm too, at least for today.
17:09 shivajiva lol
17:10 Sokomine fixer: my moresnow mod places snow not only on slabs but also on stairs and fences and the like. even on nodeboxes in general (they receive a snow cover at the bottom of the node). from the screenshots i've seen about jt2 it looks similar
17:10 Sokomine sofar: :-)
17:11 Sokomine at least there was rescue for you, sofar. looks bad for tumeninodes i'm afraid....
17:11 paramat red, done
17:11 sofar without my sarcasm I can't come up with a meaningful response to that
17:12 sofar ah, snap, I had some left after all :)
17:12 * Megaf will add Sokomine's snow to his server
17:12 Sokomine *g*
17:13 paramat glass shine as an option on 1 node is too complex, best to just add a new node 'clear glass'
17:13 Fixer Sokomine: nice
17:14 Megaf Sokomine: is it moresnow the name?
17:15 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/mods$ git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/Sokomine/moresnow
17:15 Megaf fatal: destination path 'moresnow' already exists and is not an empty directory.
17:15 Megaf :P
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17:21 Sokomine yes, moresnow
17:23 Megaf I've never seen snow snowing tho
17:23 Megaf nor rain
17:23 Megaf in my server
17:23 tumeninodes paramat: so, you want to add an entirely new node for default_clear/or clean_glass? If so it means to add also the same for xpanes, as well as a new clear/clean glass door. I mean heck, more nodes? I'm all for it but not sure if it would meet resistance
17:23 Fixer Krock: some say recent carts have some problems
17:24 Fixer Nemo also added slight wind sound, i like this, MTG is for no sound people
17:26 paramat tumeninodes i don't want to, i'm saying that is much simpler and preferable to adding an optional shine
17:29 Sokomine Megaf: it is spawned at mapgen time if you have mg_villages installed. else take a handy snowball and throw it at the target node (i.e. a stair)
17:30 * Megaf begins watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVHWKOA6Zo
17:30 Megaf !title
17:30 MinetestBot Megaf: Building The Ultimate Spacecraft (Full Engineering Documentary) | Spark - YouTube
17:30 Megaf Should be studying algebra and java though
17:32 Fixer is oerkki a ghost?
17:32 tumeninodes paramat, meh so let's just leave that whole topic for a later date then, it's not a do or die thing, just something to consider an option for both the "with and without" sides eventually
17:33 tumeninodes optional glass detail would be the matter of a few lines of code, no additional nodes, just some crafty overlay play
17:34 tumeninodes btw, new glass pane side done ; )  looks ok I guess
17:35 Megaf !seen jeija
17:35 MinetestBot Megaf: jeija was last seen at 2016-10-10 07:47:56 UTC on #minetest
17:36 Megaf I wonder if this mod still good today
17:36 Megaf https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-weather
17:36 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5245
17:36 tumeninodes jeija has not been around in quite some time
17:37 Krock Fixer, what issues? report quickly
17:37 Fixer Krock: not sure, IHR had and some other guy
17:38 Krock Megaf, I believe he's busy with real life but I'm sure you could email him if it's important
17:38 IhrFussel The carts mod from MTG is indeed very buggy when turning or going up/down hill
17:39 IhrFussel So I switched to boost_cart which works a lot better
17:40 Mr-Pardison oh yeah.
17:41 IhrFussel Not sure how carts manages to trap the player in an endless loop resetting their position on every step or so
17:42 red-001 ty paramat
17:42 Megaf Anyone using this? https://github.com/minetest-mods/mymonths
17:42 IhrFussel Megaf, I use weather_pack + lightning as weather mods and they work very well
17:43 IhrFussel I just had to reduce the amount of particles since the mod was originally designed for SP
17:45 Fixer IhrFussel: don't forget to post a bug about carts, we don't want some breaking bug in 0.5.0 breaking bad
17:45 Krock the MTG model also needs tweaking. the rail is visible uphill
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17:46 IhrFussel Fixer, I didn't test if it still happens in 0.5.0-dev...one sec
17:47 Fixer IhrFussel: yes, make sure to check latest git code
17:47 Megaf !mod weather_pack
17:47 MinetestBot Megaf: weather_pack 0.3 by xeranas - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14539
17:47 Fixer maybe it is fixed
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17:51 Megaf IhrFussel: just added weather_pack and lighting
17:52 Megaf that with ambience must give a nice atmosphere
17:52 Megaf and fireflies :)
17:56 IhrFussel Fixer, still seems to happen but is pretty inconsistent
17:56 Fixer please post a bugreport
17:57 Fixer "Increasing rendering speed dramatically ? (New posts)"
17:58 Fixer d r a m a t i c a l l y (sorry, can't resist)
18:00 red-001 dramatically
18:03 Krock aesthetics intensify
18:09 red-001 a e s t h e t i c s  i n t e n s i f y
18:10 Megaf I had found in the past a very nice website to write nice stuff in UTF-8 and paste here. But I totally lost that site, so I can't write nicely here anymore
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18:10 Calinou https://textfac.es/
18:11 Calinou ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) the memes have been doubled
18:11 * red-001 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
18:11 Megaf !seen barsik
18:11 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen barsik around.
18:11 red-001 ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
18:12 Krock that page loads a just a bit faster than the M$ download center after the Exploit in 2014
18:12 Megaf "You’ve just been upgraded to Firefox Nightly 60!"
18:12 Megaf you don't say
18:13 Krock Megaf, literally. You're firefox now.
18:14 Megaf Firetiger maybe
18:16 Krock ლ,ᔑ(͡ ͡° ͜ つ ͡͡°)ᔐ.ლ
18:19 Fixer Calinou: Samsung 850Pro still good these days?
18:19 Megaf must be better than what I have
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18:28 Calinou Fixer: the 860 Pro was released recently. That said, the 850 Pro is still a valid option if you can find it at a good price, or even the 850 EVO
18:28 Calinou I'm still on my 850 EVO :)
18:28 Fixer Calinou: price on 850Pro went down a bit
18:28 Fixer to $140 or so for 256gb
18:29 Calinou sounds expensive
18:29 Calinou I'm used to the EVO prices though now
18:29 Calinou you probably should get a 850 EVO unless you write 100+ GB a day :)
18:29 Fixer it was $250 in 2015, it is $140 now, seems good for me
18:29 Fixer i want it to last long
18:30 Fixer Calinou: i did some calculations, it seems I write about 100GB per 24 hr of operation
18:31 Fixer 850Pro has 150Tb, but from what I know, it lasts muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch longer
18:31 Fixer obviously my PC does not work full time
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18:34 Fixer Calinou: interestingly 860Pro has 300Tb of endurance
18:39 Calinou Fixer: the 850 EVO is enough for all "home" use cases, really
18:39 Calinou you're not hosting a PostgreSQL server with dozens of GBs of writes a day, are you? :)
18:40 Fixer Calinou: funnily I have a RSS reader that writes 600 mb of data per each hiding into systray....
18:41 Fixer now thats Sad!
18:41 Fixer called QuiteRSS
18:42 Calinou just use ttrss hosted on a VPS :P
18:42 Calinou that's what I have
18:42 Fixer it has an option to disable this exsessive writing to disk though, suitable for SSD
18:42 Fixer Calinou: i'm conservative in this regard, if I buy it, it expect it to work 10+ years
18:43 Fixer not like this HD6870 that dies just before 5 years of use, not cool ATI
19:05 * Megaf waiting for quassel-client to receive the backlog
19:05 Megaf There,
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19:25 Megaf wb Mr-Pardison
19:25 Mr-Pardison ty Megaf
19:25 Mr-Pardison *T.Hanks
19:25 Megaf One nice thing about my college is that we stay in the same class and the lecturers that come to us.
19:25 Mr-Pardison that is nice.
19:26 Megaf The negative side of that is there is a lot less invetarction between students from different classes. Although that is achieved with extra class activities like football, yoga, mindfulness and parties.
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19:33 * tumeninodes wishes github web interface just had a nice, simple "revert" button :P
19:33 tumeninodes and yes... I am "one of those guys"
19:34 Mr-Pardison who prefers hot chocolate over coffee?
19:36 tumeninodes sometimes
19:42 Megaf Mr-Pardison: I like both a lot
19:42 Mr-Pardison I don't like coffee. too bitter for me.
19:42 Megaf specially the ones made by my ex =/
19:42 Megaf My coffee is amazing tho
19:42 Megaf I mean, if you like pure coffee
19:42 Megaf and real coffee
19:44 Megaf Don't /whois me
19:45 Fixer hmmmm
19:45 Fixer "my horse is amazing"
19:46 Megaf "look at my horse"
19:54 Fixer released by Weebls-Stuff in late 2009
20:02 paramat phew just finished github management, it takes several hours each day, amazing
20:02 Krock Megaf, * me :No such nick/channel
20:02 paramat that's before i get a chance to actually work on anything or even review anyhthing
20:02 paramat *anything
20:02 * paramat works too hard
20:02 Shara There is a surprising amount to read.
20:05 Sokomine paramat: with all those issues it's no wonder. thanks for all the work
20:05 * Sokomine takes one of megafs strange coffee cups and hands one to paramat
20:06 Mr-Pardison Sokomine: not enough.
20:07 Mr-Pardison paramat needs at least 1 day of R & R
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20:14 Sokomine r&r?
20:15 rubenwardy rest & recreation I think
20:15 Sokomine aah
20:15 rubenwardy from Murica, iirc
20:15 Sokomine yes. hm. i'm afraid we'll have to put him elsewhere and not in a nice mt world...
20:28 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ELDwSIUEc
20:28 Megaf !title
20:28 MinetestBot Megaf: Gen2 Formula E Car From Every Angle - YouTube
20:28 Megaf That is gorgeous
20:29 Megaf !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TypQX-Jx0hI
20:29 MinetestBot Megaf: Gen2 Formula E Car Unveiled - YouTube
20:40 tumeninodes "it's such a trivial, easy peasy PR... how hard could it be?" .... said I : /
20:41 IhrFussel Di 30. Jan 18:17:46 CET 2018 -> 18207 MB
20:41 IhrFussel <IhrFussel> Di 30. Jan 18:47:46 CET 2018 -> 18237 MB
20:41 IhrFussel Suspicious jump in map size
20:41 IhrFussel 30 MB in 30 minutes is a lot
20:42 tumeninodes paramat: "works too hard"... especially when tumeninodes gets an idea :D
20:44 tumeninodes I shoulda kept obsidian panes to myself and enjoyed them in all their imperfect glory :P hahaha
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20:45 ThomasMonroe wb paramat
20:47 tumeninodes afk briefly
20:49 IhrFussel Guys is 1 MB map increase per minute resasonable?
20:49 IhrFussel reasonable*
20:49 ThomasMonroe depends on how many players are exploring or not
20:49 nore IhrFussel: in case of constant map generation, it is quite normal
20:50 ThomasMonroe I know I tend to just head in a general direction and most of the time come across un-generated land
20:50 IhrFussel Not sure how many players were online at that time but that seems a lot...isn't 1 MB like hundreds of mapblocks?
20:51 ThomasMonroe maybe?
20:51 nore well, one uncompressed mapblock without metadata is 16KB
20:51 nore so 1MB is like 8 uncompressed mapblocks
20:52 nore hmmm, and I forgot a couple other things
20:52 IhrFussel But the mapblocks are saved compressed right? So 64 mapblocks per MB
20:53 IhrFussel Maybe not that much after all
20:54 IhrFussel But 64 mapblocks straight for 30 minutes ... or in some minutes less in other more
20:54 IhrFussel Also depends on view range I guess
20:55 nore well, one player can easily explore a mapchunk = 125 mapblocks in a minute, soooo
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20:58 Fixer IhrFussel: do a test, start a world, walk straight for 10 minutes, ???????????, calculate!
20:58 IhrFussel Well I had 29 players connected at some point... I just don't know if it was back then
20:59 IhrFussel But those "zombie players" one of my moderators calls them are real...they do it on quite a few other servers as well
21:00 Megaf IhrFussel: how were those weitd players floating around called again?
21:01 IhrFussel I didn't see any names for them...some call them bots, others scripts...ans very few still refuse to believe it and think they just have a bad network connection
21:02 IhrFussel Oh you mean that one name? sallee?
21:03 IhrFussel And Shara can tell you more names she had on her server doing their thing
21:03 Mr-Pardison well, have to go now.
21:03 Mr-Pardison as usual, nice chatting with y'all
21:11 Calinou IhrFussel: that's 1.44 GB per day
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21:14 IhrFussel Calinou, well if it's just sometimes then it's okay I guess? Like I said it could've been the huge wave of new players exploring...will watch the logs
21:14 Krock that's 1024 floppies per day
21:19 Sokomine tumeninodes: hm. perhaps i ought to add colored glass panes to plasterwork. just...takes a suitable texture to get things painted...
21:20 Shara coloured glass doesn't really need texture to work well
21:22 Sokomine the normal glass pane is not suitable for that. doesn't look good if it's just a strip of white and the rest transparent. it's best if more or less the entire pane bears the color
21:22 Shara https://github.com/Ezhh/abriglass
21:22 Sokomine there are some mods that add those already. but all it takes with hardware coloring is that one texture plus a way to get them
21:27 Fixer "zombie players"
21:27 Fixer I want to believe
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21:42 Fixer if you mean those who fly in step-like motion, i've already seen them on hometown yesterday
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21:48 Mr_Pardison back but idk for how long.
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22:03 tumeninodes Sokomine: why not? although so many mods out there add glass nodes now. I guess it is up to whether you feel like doing it or not.
22:04 tumeninodes although, since plasterwork blocks end up with a slight texture to them... maybe the glass could as well. almost like a rough glass?
22:05 tumeninodes I can't think of the exact name of the type of glass I am thinking of
22:06 tumeninodes I'm telling ya, I could make a PR to add a . in a line of code and make a proper mess of it :P
22:13 tumeninodes sofar: it seems Irrlicht is not alone with alpha sorting issues... Unity has it too
22:16 Fixer IhrFussel: by simple walking i've achieved 2.5mb/min map growth, so your case is totally fine
22:16 Fixer 2,5 mb/min
22:16 Fixer *
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