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01:03 Megaf #6965
01:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6965 -- [WIP] Basic pause menu settings by ThomasMonroe314
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11:29 IhrFussel Guys I have a player on my server that seems like flying in 1 specific direction every 2 sec...it's like it's moving into 1 direction every 2 secs or so
11:29 sfan5 high latency
11:33 IhrFussel Doesn't look like latency to me o.o ... even when dead the player continues to move
11:36 sfan5 anticheat prevents dead players from moving
11:36 sfan5 well no, dead players can't move regardless of anticheat settings
11:37 IhrFussel You're right...the player respawned but the skin state didn't change yet
11:37 IhrFussel But that still doesn't look like latency to me
11:42 IhrFussel sfan5, latency can make it look like a player using fly and noclip for 3+ minutes?
11:42 sfan5 nah
11:43 IhrFussel Then it must be a bot?
11:43 IhrFussel It only moves every 1.5 - 2 secs in the exact same direction
11:44 sfan5 no idea
11:49 IhrFussel In case it was a new kind of bot...could it be linked to Shara's problem?
11:51 IhrFussel I see LOTS of "2018-01-22 02:44:56: ACTION[Server]: Player sallee moved too fast; resetting position" in the log...
11:52 IhrFussel That was very very weird...never saw something like that before
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13:10 Megaf [11:42:16] <IhrFussel> sfan5, latency can make it look like a player using fly and noclip for 3+ minutes?
13:10 Megaf yep
13:10 Megaf not latency alone
13:10 Megaf combine a slow device with problematic internet
13:10 Megaf then yes
13:11 Megaf [11:51:31] <IhrFussel> I see LOTS of "2018-01-22 02:44:56: ACTION[Server]: Player sallee moved too fast; resetting position" in the log...
13:11 Megaf That's why we disable anticheat
13:11 Megaf it causes more harm than good
13:11 sfan5 lol sure
13:13 red-001 rubberbanding doesn't tend to be bad in minetest compare to some other games
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13:15 IhrFussel Megaf, did you watch the video I linked earlier? That looked a lot like programmatically movement
13:17 Megaf IhrFussel: I could totally explain that with my already exlained explanation
13:17 Megaf [13:10:45] <Megaf> combine a slow device with problematic internet
13:17 Megaf I've seen it many times in 6 years
13:18 Megaf specially when Minetest uses all my 4 GB of RAM an my computer just hangs trashing IO, that's how people see me
13:18 IhrFussel But right after I killed the player he respawned and continued with that movement...I tried that 3 times
13:18 Megaf IhrFussel: that confirmes is just a hang computer with bad internet
13:18 Megaf relax man
13:19 Megaf Minetest is bad and ineficient by design
13:19 IhrFussel AFAIK the PC/device cannot respawn by itself
13:19 Megaf and with UDP we can't check the network, we just get pieces of things
13:19 IhrFussel It requires user interaction to respawn
13:19 Megaf yep, maybe he did manage to click respawn
13:19 Megaf or maybe is a shitty android fork
13:20 Megaf that does that automatically
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13:41 Megaf Foks, did we ever tested TCP instead of UDP?
13:42 Megaf Wrong channgel, but stil
14:00 IhrFussel I managed to implement an "atk up" potion on my server which increases the damage of players for 60 secs ... now it will feel a bit more RPG-like
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14:26 Megaf rubenwardy: KS-6 is VERY VERY tempting
14:26 Megaf KS-6Intel  Xeon 2xE55308c/16t2.4GHz24GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz  2TB 100 Mbps/128$37.99
14:29 ThomasMonroe O_O
14:29 Megaf that would be faster than any Linode offer CPU wise
14:42 Jordach ^^
14:42 Jordach i want shit with good bitrate in FLAC
14:43 Megaf same
14:45 Megaf Not a great audio capture tho
14:46 Megaf Now, if you search for hans zimmer vinyl you will find some good stuff
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15:46 Fixer just don't play FLAC on $10 USD headphones
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16:14 benrob0329 Looking foreward to catching and releasing fireflies :D
16:15 Megaf Fixer: I already had some pretty good 10 USD headphones man
16:15 Megaf amazing sound quality, not so great build quality...
16:15 Mr_Pardison I presume u mean the ones that look like mini travelnet boxes and not irl ones as it isn't quite time for them yet.
16:16 benrob0329 Make a huge cave with fireflies giving it a nice atmospheric glow
16:17 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: the ones probably going to make it into MTG 0.5
16:17 benrob0329 Shara's mod
16:17 Mr_Pardison Would be happy to see those.
16:17 benrob0329 Could be nice for videos
16:17 Mr_Pardison I'd keep them in glass jars and use them for lights if possible.
16:18 benrob0329 Pretty soon I'll have custom lighting setups for shots when doing videos lol
16:18 benrob0329 The world's first MT filming production
16:32 ThomasMonroe yay?
16:34 Megaf I once had a mod that gave a torch that you held in your hand and it lit the way as you moved
16:35 Megaf For me that was like magic and I could never find that mod again
16:35 Calinou it was server-side, so it caused tons of lag
16:35 ThomasMonroe yeah sooo much lag
16:36 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf, I think I'm gonna add the enable_build_where_you_stand option to the pause menu
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16:53 benrob0329 ThomasMonroe: noclip does that
16:53 benrob0329 Or is that build where your head it
16:53 ThomasMonroe try building under your feet with and without that setting :P
16:54 benrob0329 If its only your head then the setting could just be combined with niclip for simplicity
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17:15 Sokomine was realtest moved in the forum to old mods or so?
17:16 Sokomine megaf: wieldlight or something like that
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17:16 Megaf light calculations should be done on the server of course,
17:17 Megaf but the actual rendering should be client side
17:17 red-001 ThomasMonroe, what for_
17:18 red-001 seems if someone wants to use it they will just set it and keep it that way
17:20 ThomasMonroe its useful for building sometimes, but it gets annoying when you are trying to do other things
17:20 Calinou Megaf: frequent light calculations are too much for the server, I guess the server should only send the position of the invisible light node and let the client do the rest
17:20 Calinou or, you know, use hardware dynamic lights for this
17:20 Calinou (which won't affect plant growth and mob spawning, but it probably doesn't matter)
17:20 Calinou this is what OptiFine does
17:20 Megaf Calinou: problem is, how would a sapling know when to grow?
17:23 red-001 Megaf, use static lighting?
17:24 red-001 I say it's fine if saplings aren't effected by sun movement or a torch the player is holding
17:25 Calinou Megaf: as I said, the server wouldn't know about it
17:25 Calinou but I don't think it matters
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17:47 IhrFussel Why is it that most servers run by kids (no offense) are a total clusterfrick?
17:49 IhrFussel Like arguing about who will be admin, who will be hoster ... talking about "xyz is a hacker maybe" just because they guessed the password right...those forum topics are totally dumb
17:49 Mr-Pardison because they don't know what they are doing.
17:50 IhrFussel They trust their "friends" who they likely never met too much
17:51 IhrFussel Not saying you should only trust persons you know in RL but mature people just know when it#s enough to trust somebody
17:56 red-001 > implying thier irl friends wouldn't also mess up the server
17:58 Fixer IhrFussel: because kids are not 1.0 enough to get things done, heck, even lots of adults are not 1.0, look at politicians for example
18:11 Calinou kid 0.1.0 beta-rc1
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18:40 Sokomine ThomasMonroe: i asked for he enable_build_where_you_stand option to be added to the game back when it was changed so that you couldn't build there anymore. in tight corners, where orientation of a node is relevant, it is often impossible to build without
18:43 Sokomine Calinou: are there upgrades for kids? :)
18:43 Calinou yes, but they make your kid even less stable
18:43 Calinou so you usually rollback to the stable version of the kid :(
18:43 Sokomine :-)
18:43 Sokomine guess they automaticly self-upgrade :)
18:44 Sokomine maybe upgrades for politicians might be a good idea
18:45 Mr-Pardison oh most of them are seagull managers anyway.
18:45 Sokomine er...if any texture creater is reading this: i'm looking for a texture for a machine that "coats" nodes (mostly applys color). i have an idea for that but even a pretty simple texture is difficult for me. maybe low-ress, simple and slightly animated
18:48 ThomasMonroe ah ok Sokomine
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19:00 benrob0329 Sokomine: colormachine 2.0?
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19:14 Sokomine benrob0329: something more restricted. simple_houses is spawning colored houses (those blocks are so cheap to do!)
19:15 Sokomine i think it'd be unfair not to give players a way to obtain more nodes of the same color
19:15 Sokomine thus: machine that takes cobble, processes it, and creates out of 10 cobble 1 stony node that's "coated" in the right color and texture
19:16 Sokomine problem is: people have to be able to identify the machine somehow. can't take the chests or furniture texture for all nodes i create
19:37 Raven262 Sokomine, what is this machine made of? and do you accept nodeboxes?
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19:41 red-001 hi nerzhul
19:42 nerzhul hi red-001
19:42 * red-001 once again fails to be faster then tenplus1
19:45 Megaf He is not ever here
19:48 IhrFussel Megaf, the player is back and still has the exact same problem
19:50 Megaf lol
19:50 Megaf does he speaks?
19:52 IhrFussel No, still only floats in one direction
19:53 Sokomine Raven262: i usually love nodeboxes. in this special case i think it might be more helpful to have a full node. can't think of any good way a machine might look like
19:55 Raven262 Well, I'm currently making a nodebox machine.
19:55 Raven262 Currently doing textures, I'll send you a screenshot when I finish it.
19:56 Raven262 Even if you decide that it doesn't look like what you need, I can always use it for some project of mine :D
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20:07 Jordach Krock: it's the whole reason why i prefer 4chan
20:08 Jordach someone spoke out against the circlejerk? bans and mass downvotes
20:08 Jordach meanwhile on 4chan, you get called a fag
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20:12 red-001 2048chan all the way
20:12 rubenwardy 4chan sucks
20:12 Jordach rubenwardy: still better than reddit
20:12 red-001 or maybe 4096chan
20:12 rubenwardy 4chan is basically entirely r/incels
20:12 Jordach lmao
20:12 Jordach that's what the defaults have fed you
20:12 Jordach OMEGALUL
20:13 Jordach incels was teen angst that could never get a gf ever
20:13 Jordach it's literally reddit meet early 2000s livejournal
20:13 red-001 > implying 4chan isn't
20:14 Jordach 4chan is just un moderated shitposts
20:14 rubenwardy incels was sad rapey men
20:14 Jordach i shitpost on /o/ with my twingo
20:15 sfan5 rubenwardy has only visited /pol/ apparently
20:16 Jordach the internet was never for normies :^)
20:17 red-001 ohh no-one has registered 2048chan.org
20:19 Jordach *insert jojo OH NO*
20:20 red-001 and so is 512chan.org
20:20 red-001 or 256
20:32 Sokomine Raven262: nice machines are always welcomed :-)
20:44 Raven262 Sokomine, https://i.imgur.com/5Pwppyr.png
20:45 Krock that's a "thing"
20:45 Raven262 Fixing some texture errors now.
20:53 Raven262 Fixed the textures https://i.imgur.com/UMzFy2r.png
20:55 rubenwardy nice
21:04 Sokomine does indeed look very nice :-)
21:04 * Sokomine grabs Raven262s machine and runs away with it quickly
21:05 Sokomine can you perhaps add more colors to the texture? or is it possible to apply colorization to models as well?
21:05 Raven262 https://github.com/theraven262/mo​dding-stuff/tree/master/machine_1
21:05 Raven262 there
21:05 Sokomine thank you :-)
21:06 Raven262 np
21:16 Sokomine hmm. if i put it into a lone mod (the machine might be nice regardless of any houses) - how would english-speaking people call it? maybe plaster...
21:20 Sokomine plasterwork seems to fit
21:20 benrob0329 Sokomine: for what?
21:20 benrob0329 Your coloring machine?
21:21 Sokomine for what the machine is supposed to do :-) real plaster would probably be applied by hand or sprayed...we'll get the machine for that
21:21 benrob0329 Plaster, or paint?
21:21 Sokomine no, not my color machine. the new machine you did. it will not be as versatile as the color machine. it'll be one for nodes with up to 256 colors
21:21 benrob0329 Plaster isn't sprayed..
21:22 Sokomine not really, no. but if all you've got is some stones and cobble there's got to be some flexibility. crafting just won't do :-) the machine will transform the node into one with plaster ready-made applied. no fussy placing blocks first, then applying plaster
21:23 benrob0329 Like, drywall mud?
21:24 Sokomine kind of
21:24 Megaf 20:53:09 <Raven262> Fixed the textures https://i.imgur.com/UMzFy2r.png
21:24 Megaf What is that?
21:24 Megaf It looks like a mouse trap
21:25 Sokomine the idea is to fill the machine with cobble, let it extract some nice minerals, and then let it create a coat (plaster-like) on one of the remaining cobble blocks
21:25 benrob0329 Sokomine: what I'm gathering is that your making a machine that skim-coats blocks
21:25 benrob0329 So, you'd end up with a grey block?
21:26 Sokomine (all this is just an excuse in the end to turn a material that is actually available to the player in sufficient quantities into something that can be used to extend and repair some spawned buildings)
21:27 Sokomine benrob0329: in a way. disassemble enough cobble blocks (=cheap material that needs to be removed from the world anyway), scratch a bit off of the target block, apply the newly created coat to the target block
21:29 Sokomine most of that really is just a way to make useful building materials available. clay and coral are great textures and work fine with colors applied; but there isn't enough of that material in the world to actually do something significant with it
21:30 Sokomine and to justify technicly in a hopefully sufficiently convincing way how it was done
21:32 benrob0329 Space magic
21:32 Sokomine can't spawn houses and then let the players be without materials to turn automatic structures into something individual and nice-looking
21:32 Sokomine yes. bet on some mese beeing required to craft the thing
21:33 benrob0329 Someone should make a star wars parity in MT
21:33 benrob0329 Where the standard good guy color is yellow
21:38 Jordach feelsbadman
21:38 Jordach you'd expect override_item to work on the fcly
21:38 Jordach fly*
21:51 Fixer that lmr page is annoying, while I had almost 1000px of height, it managed to only 5 lines of useful information
21:53 Fixer btw, reading deepfakes, it is interesting
21:53 Fixer so it is possible to pretty much fake everything
21:54 Fixer https://gfycat.com/Illinfor​medBriefBluemorphobutterfly
21:54 Fixer not really very close but still funny
21:55 Shara Note regarding what IhrFussel brought up earlier... the odd player he reported...
21:55 Shara Found same player in my logs, same IP address... at the time I had problems
21:55 Shara from player file: position = (30039,-274,-40276)
21:55 red-001 huh
21:55 Shara Player didn't even have interact.
21:56 Shara Now you tell me there's no exploit here
21:56 Shara Also: IP address is a VPS
21:56 Fixer known exploit *cough*
21:56 red-001 Fixer, ?
21:56 Shara Fixer: Care to explain?
21:56 Shara A two+ years old server that was very popular has been trashed by this
21:56 Fixer there is no known exploits, but there are possible unknown ones / Captain Obvious to the rescue
21:57 IhrFussel The player somehow was able to use fly, noclip and auto respawn ... the movement was definitely not by a human (1 step at a time at a fixed interval)
21:57 red-001 fly + noclip is easy
21:57 Shara Fixer: Glad you find years of my work getting ruined amusing, but if you can't be constructive on this, please don't say anything
21:57 red-001 Shara, do you have anticheat enabled?
21:58 Shara No. Too many problems with it, and it does nothing to stop fly/noclip anyway
21:58 IhrFussel red-001, I have it enabled and it didn't help...just flooded the log with "moved too fast" messages
21:58 Fixer Shara: post this info in anticheat issue on github
21:58 red-001 well there you got the issue
21:58 Shara red-001: Sorry, not buying that.
21:58 red-001 no anticheat == no movement checking
21:58 red-001 you can just move infinatly fast
21:58 Shara I have my own checks running to prevent players out of certain boundaries
21:58 Fixer i pretty much expect minetest to have unknown exploited vulnerabilities
21:59 Shara It's CREATIVE, fast is default
21:59 Fixer anticheat must be enabled
21:59 Fixer even if fast
21:59 red-001 afaik minetest does no speed tests if anticheat is off
21:59 Shara Then anticheat needs to be fixed
21:59 red-001 so they can move at 3 million blocks a second if they want to
21:59 IhrFussel Well it might've helped on my server but the player "sallee" is very suspicious since he used the same IP on Shara's and my server and the IP is a VPS
22:00 red-001 Shara, whats the issue with the player anyways?
22:00 red-001 apart from them liking places that are out of map bounds
22:00 Shara SImply that they seem very likely to have been the one to cause the damage
22:00 red-001 IhrFussel, ty
22:01 red-001 Shara, what damage?
22:01 IhrFussel Like I said that movement is not humanlike...do you agree?
22:01 Shara You think mapgrpwth of +50% previous size in no time at all is normal?
22:01 Shara map expanded until server ran out of space
22:02 red-001 Shara, I guess trying to reason with them didn't help did it?
22:02 Fixer jeez, what was the map size?
22:02 Jordach why'd you think i run 0.5-dev
22:02 Shara They never spoke
22:02 Shara I don't know who it is
22:02 red-001 and they just get new ips after you ban them?
22:02 Fixer maybe a bot that maps/worldsaves the server or just intentionally filling disk space
22:02 Shara Uhmm.. I've not mentioned banning them
22:02 red-001 that would seem like a logical step
22:03 Shara I didn't know who was to blame until Fussel provided something to check and compare against
22:03 IhrFussel We didn't ban him since we didn't even know until today that he acts that weirdly
22:03 Jordach jordach@Carbon:~/minetest-master/bin$ du -sh \n 145M
22:03 red-001 bot is damging your servers operation so it seems reasonable to ban them with a message to the operator
22:03 Shara And since it killed my map, I don't currently have a server to ban them from
22:03 sfan5 Shara: I assume the problems you had with anticheat are the usual "player moved too fast; resetting" complaints, correct?
22:03 Shara Plus, you know, VPS... it isn't their actual IP address
22:03 Jordach inb4 minetest goes centralised
22:03 Shara sfan5: Yes, especially when player is attached to anything
22:03 Jordach with ban auth through SRP
22:04 Fixer Jordach: what's inb4?
22:04 red-001 IhrFussel, for that player I assume?
22:04 red-001 Fixer, in before ban
22:04 sfan5 Shara: is there an issue open for that?
22:04 Shara I already have a plan to prevent this happening again, when/if I can fix the map
22:04 red-001 4chan meme or something
22:04 Shara sfan5: I believe one was opened not so long ago
22:04 IhrFussel By the way the speed in the video I linked is SLOW compared to later...I watched him a bit more and at some point the player suddenly sped up to almost walking speed (~3 nodes per sec)
22:04 Fixer can you tell that players name?
22:05 red-001 honestly apart from anticheat being a mess there is nothing wrong here
22:05 red-001 maybe we can add levels to anticheat or something
22:05 Shara Fixer: Fussel already did
22:05 Shara It needs levels. Or something.
22:05 IhrFussel Fixer, sallee
22:05 Shara I want to use it, but everytime I turned it on I had problems.
22:05 red-001 detect the biggest cheaters and ignore smaller issues
22:05 Fixer never heard about it
22:06 red-001 IhrFussel, Shara no idea what version string thier client is claiming to be?
22:06 Shara sfan5: #6852
22:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6852 -- More granular anticheat
22:06 IhrFussel And I want to add that the player first joined my server Jan 21 ... he joined well over 10 times in the recent days and *all* he did was sending /spawn ... no other commands/messages in the chat
22:06 IhrFussel Very very suspicious
22:06 Shara red-001: os there anything that would catch that by routine?
22:06 Shara Is*
22:07 red-001 iirc minetest includes some build info in that
22:07 sfan5 Shara: i was hoping more that there's an issue open for the issues when players are attached
22:07 red-001 could be remebering wrong
22:07 Sokomine red-001: sounds like it's a bot. not much point trying to talk to one i'm afraid
22:07 IhrFussel I log the protocol version from joins one sec
22:07 IhrFussel 32
22:08 red-001 Sokomine, operator might log kick messages, it's a stretch but why not try
22:08 Shara Red.. "that" being what?
22:08 Fixer IhrFussel: well, it is open source, you can be creative and write a bot to annoy server owners, or imitate a player etc
22:09 Shara sfan5: I'd open one, but don't really hav ea good way to test performance in current dev in case of any change
22:09 red-001 oh nvm we still not let mods get vers_string
22:09 Sokomine anticheat isn't good. it harms human players. it is very irritating if your position gets constantly reset because server and client have minimally diffrent opinions about where you ought to be. that causes sickness in the player
22:10 IhrFussel Slowly but surely I really get the feeling that we certainly have some malicious bots on our servers on a reular basis ... some things certain players type look like program code and sometimes I have FIVE players who join at once
22:10 sfan5 that's mostly because the speed cheating code seems to be very strict
22:10 red-001 because those someone might use it to stop those poor poor android users
22:10 Shara But on my survival server it's especially noticeable. Any attempt to ride a flying creature and you get constant little pauses and jerks in motion
22:11 red-001 Shara, nvm looks like saving mod authors from every possible mistake they could make means that you can't get the version string
22:12 Shara red-001: somehow not surprised
22:12 IhrFussel red-001, The protocol version by sallee is 32 so 0.4.16
22:12 Sokomine maybe checks ought to happen less frequently and position violations only getting logged if it's too far off. the current way isn't really usable
22:12 red-001 without recompiling but thats just a waste of time
22:12 Shara On one level, as long as I can fix this, I don't care that it happened, since the server will actually end up much more mangeable and secure (if the changes I'm working on actually work)
22:13 Shara But there are plenty of servers that probably couldn't recover from this
22:13 Shara Or the owners/team might simply not have the time to spare on it
22:13 red-001 IhrFussel, I was looking for the version string which is what is suffixed to the name (version number + git hash)
22:13 Fixer IhrFussel: https://i.imgur.com/vfgm065.png
22:14 Shara So instead of trying to push the blame on me, I'd just ask that, if anticheat would really solve it, maybe anticheat can be relaxed to the point where it's usable.
22:14 Shara So maybe there's less chance of some other big map getting messed up this badly
22:14 Fixer anticheat should be enabled
22:14 red-001 IhrFussel, do they auto rejoin if you kick them?
22:15 Fixer and if smth is wrong with it - fix it (somehow)
22:15 IhrFussel Fixer, that exact same user was on my server...not sure if they also typed such weird texts though
22:15 Shara Fixer: stop pushing it onto server owners.
22:15 IhrFussel Nope, I kicked him the first time this afternoon with reason "Are you a bot?" and he joined a few hours later again doing the EXACT same thing
22:15 Shara I'm all for anticheat being fixed, but you can't expect the server owners to do that
22:15 red-001 that somehow doesn't look like true random text but keyboard mashing
22:15 Fixer IhrFussel: notice "vCard x Hurd ::))" part, this feels like those neural network talking bots
22:15 Fixer red-001: read ending
22:16 red-001 it's like a bot learning human langauge from 4chan or youtube comments
22:16 Fixer yeah
22:16 sfan5 must be a shitty bot if that's all it learned
22:17 Fixer yeah
22:17 IhrFussel Can we be 100% sure that such behavior cannot be caused by malicious CSMs?
22:17 Fixer i had fun with those bots, they were hillariously good
22:17 red-001 can't say if it's beautiful or terrifying
22:17 red-001 IhrFussel, yes
22:17 red-001 I mean chatbots no, but map logs/explorers/something yes
22:18 IhrFussel Well...since sallee uses a VPS to connect to servers they must have at least *some* tech knowledge
22:18 Shara This isn't CSM
22:18 red-001 is it a vps or a vpn?
22:19 sfan5 regardless of that your assumption is incorrect
22:19 Jordach Shara: alternative, log user positions
22:19 Jordach once per 30 seconds
22:19 Jordach you can then compare it
22:19 Fixer just finish this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6219 "WIP: Server side movement #6219"
22:19 IhrFussel Would be fairly easy with vector.distance()
22:19 Shara red-001: seems to be VPS...  Same hoster I use
22:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6219 -- WIP: Server side movement by bendeutsch
22:20 Jordach get the differences of all co-ords, and then see if the second positon is exact between the first pos and third pos
22:20 Shara Jordach: I plan other things to prevent this in the future
22:21 red-001 send them random map data
22:21 Jordach Shara: this can be done automatically
22:21 Shara I'm just going to disable creation of any new mapblocks
22:22 sfan5 Shara: attached players are not actually checked for movement cheats
22:22 Fixer Shara: you can limit mapgen, if you are saving space
22:22 Shara Any place that ever should be generated almost certainly is by now
22:22 sfan5 so disable_anticheat = true fixing that issue is not possible
22:22 Shara Hmm
22:22 IhrFussel Guys the pos in the player file needs to be divided by 16 to get the actual last known coordinates correct?
22:22 sfan5 by 10, not 16
22:22 Shara sfan5: yet I've tested multiple times. Issue is there with anticheat on, gone with anticheat off
22:22 sfan5 Shara: and it says exactly "... moved too fast; resetting position" ?
22:23 Shara Doesn't say anything.
22:23 sfan5 then it not this part of anticheat
22:23 sfan5 generally anticheat says when something is wrong
22:23 Shara Could it simply be the extra underlying checks themselves doing too much then?
22:23 sfan5 possible
22:24 sfan5 though these checks don't run when the player is attached...
22:24 sfan5 hm
22:24 Shara I'm sure I duplicated on singleplayer too though... which makes "server is not powerful enough" unlikely.
22:24 Shara But I'd need to verify that again to be sure
22:24 Shara Even if it's not directly the fault of anticheat, it does seem to correlate perfectly with it
22:25 Jordach my jetpack has 0 issues when flying at beyond 2 mapblock/sec
22:25 Jordach provided it doesn't collide with ignore
22:26 IhrFussel sfan5, ok thanks... the last know pos of sallee is pretty far away from the spawn...so his movement must've increased by quite a lot when I was busy
22:27 Shara Your jetpack is unnaturally responsive. No mobs I know of give that performance
22:27 Jordach Shara: my server runs with server_step 0.02
22:27 Jordach it's a fucking 60hz server
22:28 Jordach with no additional load
22:28 Jordach by default, MT is afaik 10hz
22:28 Shara Hmm, could explain it
22:28 Jordach yes, i have to do more acceleration controls
22:29 IhrFussel Default server_step is 0.09
22:30 Jordach IhrFussel: basically 10hz assuming 1000ms steps
22:30 Jordach or 100ms *
22:30 IhrFussel But on a server with many mods that server_step will likely not keep up
22:30 Jordach IhrFussel: i use 0.02 since the Atom in this dedi can handle it
22:30 Shara But a subgame well and it does not need many more mods
22:30 Shara but build*
22:31 IhrFussel This Xeon machine stays mostly at 0.3 max_lag with 175 mods
22:31 IhrFussel About 10 pretty heavy
22:32 Fixer this is perfect, how much players?
22:34 IhrFussel The player count doesn't really affect it much... it's 0.3 with 10 players and with 20 ... I had 33 recently and the max_lag spiked to 0.5
22:35 Fixer IhrFussel: it is very good max_lag, congratulations
22:35 red-001 and somehow carts still don't work right
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22:35 IhrFussel Well it's a VPS with dedicated CPU and most of the time the performance is awesome for $15/month
22:36 Fixer red-001: you have not seen those original carts from mushroomAdam, today's carts are silky smooooooooth compared to them
22:36 Fixer also, minecraft beta and up to 1.8 or so had laggy as hell boats/carts too
22:37 red-001 Fixer, I almost vomit everytime I try to use them
22:37 red-001 get stuck ~30% of the time
22:37 IhrFussel red-001, stuck in an endless loop? That's what I always get when I use default carts
22:37 red-001 and then just keep teleporting back and forward
22:37 red-001 IhrFussel, yep
22:38 IhrFussel Anyways need to sleep now... see you later =)
22:38 red-001 cya
22:39 Fixer red-001: post a bug about that, they were working fine for me
22:41 sfan5 anticheat does not take care of all possible physics modifiers
22:41 Fixer red-001: Krock will probably look into it, just post a bug
22:41 sfan5 indeed, this can be fixed
22:45 Shara sfan5: any improvement at all would be appreciated when it comes to anticheat
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