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02:08 jas_ there's definitely an el sound in walk, it's just very nuanced
02:08 jas_ it's certainly not wok as in stir fry
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12:53 atorian37 hi admins
12:53 atorian37 i hope there is some help for me here
12:54 atorian37 i use futureban mod to ban players and these days, a player chatted with another one and told him, he has a hack to connect even if he is banned.
12:54 atorian37 i checked that, it's true, he connected even if he is in the ipban.txt file
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12:56 atorian37 he is in the ban list with another ip but the playername is also there, is that behavior normal?
12:59 Shara Depends on the ban mod.
13:00 Shara Both xban and sban group player names/IP addresses, but I have no idea how futureban works
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13:07 atorian37 maybe I should use another mod? wich one is most popular to securily ban (without using the systems firewall)?
13:08 IhrFussel You can only ban an IP or a IP range in MT...there is nothing more secure
13:09 Shara xban is well used, sban is newer but well maintained and issues get fixed quick. I go with sban myself because I prefer to have a proper db for bans, but it's really up to you
13:09 IhrFussel IP range can match false positives (people from the same ISP for example)
13:09 atorian37 I thought it a good idea with futureban, because it adds the new ip to the player in ipban.txt if it changes, but it seems not to work anymore because of a hack from the client
13:10 Shara I don't see how a client could "hack" a way to dodge bans.  But since I don't know the mod, I can't really say what might be wrong
13:11 atorian37 I have no idea, because I am no developper - I cannot read/understand the code in the deep
13:12 Shara I can't even find futureban from a quick search
13:12 atorian37 ok I check the author
13:12 Shara But th eonly post I found about it akes it sound like it's meant to be used with another ban mod anyway
13:12 Shara makes*
13:13 Shara So I'd suggest picking one of the other mods I named
13:15 atorian37 the code is here: hhtps://github.com/nyje/future_ban
13:16 atorian37 ok I guess thats what I will do
13:17 Shara Yea, that doesn't look well supported or... anything really. No license, no documentation, no recent updates.
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13:19 atorian37 Thank you! I will give sban a try :)
13:30 atorian37 for sban, can I just install lsqlite3 with apt install on my server, does the sban create the db itself ...?
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13:30 Shara I think you need to, but best to check with shivajiva
13:31 atorian37 ok
13:31 benrob0329 I have just realized I can record cinematic passes as slow as possible, then speed them up in post as needed
13:31 benrob0329 Why have I not thought of this before
13:33 red-001 atorian37, I guess they just restart their router to get a new IP address
13:34 red-001 also future ban only bans the player by name
13:34 red-001 and only once
13:41 IhrFussel I state "1 account per person" in the rules and I added it to the join message ... are people really too umb to see it? "oh i didnt know you could only have 1 account" -.-
13:41 IhrFussel dumb*
13:47 IhrFussel Maybe I should send it regularly in the chat as info message
13:48 Raven262 IhrFussel, try adding a chat message that appears every 3 minutes, saying some of the rules. :P
13:55 IhrFussel Raven262, not every 3 but there is a server info every 5 minutes that lists AFK players and I can add it there
13:56 Raven262 Yeah, but that would make a long message. On android clients this can cover up the whole screen.
13:56 Raven262 Better add another interval or something.
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14:01 IhrFussel The AFK-list is mostly empty so it's fine there ... could max occupy 1 1/2 lines
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15:46 Fixer hoooly crap, found misa texture pack for beta 1.7.3, this is rare stuff
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16:40 rubenwardy atorian37: I recommend either xban or sban. xban is more stable, but may suffer from data loss after longer periods of time. sban is fairly unstable
16:41 Mr_Pardison rubenwardy: why do you say sban is unstable?
16:41 rubenwardy because it's failed to ban players multiple times
16:41 Mr_Pardison that's a problem that I've come up against.
16:41 rubenwardy and because it's rolling release you can't be sure if a commit will work
16:42 Shara I've had no issues since the last update some time back
16:42 Mr_Pardison solution is not to use :  but rather ,
16:42 rubenwardy huh?
16:42 Shara MR P, RC is still on the known to be glitchy version because I fail as a server owner
16:42 Mr_Pardison you? fail? never.
16:42 Shara Sorry - keep bugging me to update it
16:44 Shara And yes, me, fail, always :)
16:46 shivajiva rolling, rolling, rolling along
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16:46 shivajiva sung ofc ^
16:46 Shara :D
16:48 shivajiva now it's on a server at my disposal I should be able to find wth it's doing or what I'm not doing :D
16:48 rubenwardy XD
16:48 rubenwardy servers are the best way to test mods
16:49 Shara You need lots of people to ban :)
16:49 rubenwardy I found loads of bugs in CTF when hosting it
16:49 Shara Finally a reason to wish for troublemakers :)
16:54 Wayward_One lol
16:54 Wayward_One hi all :)
16:54 shivajiva Hiya :)
16:56 Mr_Pardison \o Wayward_One
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17:21 * Megaf sneaks in
17:22 * Mr-Pardison spies a sneaking Megaf
17:22 Megaf I'd go to a clothes optinal beach in Ireland today. If it wasn't 0C...
17:24 Megaf nevermind the clothes, it's 0C
17:27 Megaf Mr-Pardison: hows your server going?
17:27 Mr-Pardison Megaf: I don't have a server.
17:27 * twoelk notices Megaf is back in Europe
17:27 Mr-Pardison I merely assist in the running of them.
17:28 Mr-Pardison at least keeping things going smoothly while the admins are away or are busy.
17:28 Megaf Mr-Pardison: I know the server doesnt belongs to you..
17:28 Megaf twoelk: Yes I am indeed
17:28 Megaf got back to Ireland Monday
17:28 Megaf welcomed by wind, cold and rain
17:28 * twoelk looks out of the window as it snows outside and wonders how warm Brazil might be now
17:28 Megaf very same weather the day I left
17:29 Megaf twoelk: it was around 36C where I was
17:30 Megaf I'm thinking wich browser I should install in my Android
17:30 Megaf I quite like Opera Mini a lot
17:30 Megaf but it has been sending ads in the lock screen
17:30 twoelk it snowed somewhat the last two days here but it is too warm to stay so you might imagine the size of the puddles, ever growing
17:31 Megaf Snowed here too yesterday, for a couple of hours, not enough to acumulate much on the ground tho, just on houses roofs
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17:33 Krock < hi tenplus1 >
17:33 Megaf Hi Krock
17:33 Krock hi Megaf
17:34 Megaf he is not here :P
17:34 Mr-Pardison sadly.
17:34 Krock I know. hence, the LT, GT signs
17:34 Megaf sad is my GNOME 3 running at 640x480
17:35 Megaf I managed to start Debian that I have installed in my machine, inside virtualbox
17:35 Megaf can't get the resultuion to work yet
17:42 Megaf dat spelling
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17:45 Shara I don't suppose we have any bored artists who feel like creating awesome node textures for me? :P
17:46 * Megaf hides
17:46 twoelk awesome as in disgusting?
17:47 Megaf maybe as in ugly as heck
17:47 Shara Well, I need ones for poisionous grass and marshland nodes... which may class as disgusting?
17:48 Megaf twoelk: bad luck man, you have to make some textures now
17:48 Shara Yay! :D
17:49 twoelk well ... teachers said I could draw well but my sense of colors was ... meh ... not gonna tell
17:50 Mr-Pardison Shara: https://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_monster/c​ommit/20fba93293a87f5da7bfe5a1e6e9edc06b38​ce01#diff-5425005fa4a440fd810bef540819f0a3 line 113.
17:50 Shara Uhm... why do we want things bursting into flame?
17:50 Mr-Pardison the obsidian.
17:50 Shara twoelk: colours I can always adapt
17:51 Megaf twoelk: worst thing that can happen is she not using the texture. Best thing is a lovely credits to you.
17:51 Shara I'm honestly happy for any help I can get, because... I hate making textures
17:52 Megaf in one of the mods I made I just ended up using invisible nodes because I didnt want to make textures for it
17:52 * twoelk looks franticly for a place to hide
17:52 Shara I'm borrowing random MTG ones for now, but they don't cover everything I need, even just as placeholders
17:53 Megaf It ended up being one of the most liked mods of my server because people liked building invisible wallks and bridges for some reason
17:53 * Shara eats all the hiding places and stares at twoelk
17:53 twoelk oh, erm, got to print the next batch of 50 pages of my 500 page document - printer needs my attention - really - all true
17:54 Megaf Shara: are you hungry for printers?
17:54 Megaf or sheets of paper
17:54 twoelk damn these new printers are way too fast :-D
17:56 Shara :D
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18:02 benrob0329 o/
18:02 * twoelk notices his version of paintNET is way outdated
18:02 Mr-Pardison \o
18:03 benrob0329 twoelk: Krita and/or Gimp :P
18:03 benrob0329 Or aseprite if your doing Pixel Art
18:05 twoelk LOL you mean I should dump windows Paintbrush after using it for 20+ years
18:05 benrob0329 twoelk: thats what Microsoft did :^)
18:06 twoelk it did? oops might have an old version
18:08 Shara :D
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18:09 Shara I probably would eat printers if that was what it took.
18:18 * twoelk looks at the old printer he hasn't brought to the dump yet
18:19 * Shara will dispose of it for textures?
18:22 twoelk https://i.imgur.com/9A3TsI2.png hehe, at least the color looks evil
18:24 Shara ohhhh
18:24 Shara It's swirly!
18:25 twoelk yeah more weed than grass
18:27 twoelk https://i.imgur.com/SMiE5d8.png lol - somehow not the right direction
18:33 Shara The only actual plants I have so far: http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_suntwist.png
18:33 Shara (probably taken at the worst angle possible too, but oh well :P)
18:36 twoelk hmm, maybe I shouldn't smoke the stuff I draw https://i.imgur.com/t5Pv8Ow.png
18:38 Shara Hah! :D
18:38 Mr-Pardison never do that.
18:38 Mr-Pardison you don't want to know what happens when you do.
18:42 twoelk why do my plants look happy instead of evil let alone gloomy?
18:45 Shara I'm not sure
18:45 Shara Maybe try the node instead of a plant?
18:48 twoelk oh, I did change the nodes :-(
18:48 Shara But that was just colour change?
18:48 twoelk compare the pictures
18:48 twoelk yep
18:48 Shara I'm hoping for fully new textures
18:48 Shara I did a full set of colour changed grass nodes here: https://github.com/Ezhh/abri
18:49 Shara That was my first test for learning how biome registration works, and I'm now working on a "real" set of biomes
18:49 twoelk I said I'm no expert, might add I'm also quite lazy :-D
18:49 Shara Same problem :D
18:50 Shara That test was giving some interesting result like http://gingercat.tk/mt/colour_test03.png (big image sorry)
18:54 twoelk https://i.imgur.com/Sp4sraj.png maybe purple is the way to go
18:54 Shara Hmm
18:55 * twoelk remembers toying with abri
18:56 Shara I'll probably expand it more at some point, since it is kind of fun to wander round in, especially with all the different colour stone underground
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19:10 twoelk https://i.imgur.com/SEllGnJ.png hmm, ok, new node texture still shows pattern and purple grass doesn't stand out enough, note the recolored redplants ;-P
19:11 twoelk actually them green on purple plants look happily healthy
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19:12 Shara Making sure there is no unncessary patterning when tiling is... well, let's use the word "fun"
19:12 Shara unnecessary*
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19:16 * twoelk watches sheep wandering over purple grass notices a white rabbit nibbling at his feet - somewhat surreal
19:17 * ThomasMonroe wonders what world twoelk lives on
19:18 Krock twoelk, watch another video
19:18 Mr-Pardison g2g cya in a bit
19:18 Mr-Pardison I live in my own little world.
19:19 Mr-Pardison It's OK, they know me here.
19:19 ThomasMonroe lol
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21:06 twoelk some strange place https://i.imgur.com/QBBWcvx.jpg
21:07 ThomasMonroe tx pack?
21:09 Fixer twoelk: hold my peanuts https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DTrHh8SWkAAtpeX.jpg:large
21:10 twoelk ermm, no please, even if they are as small as peanuts, no thank you, I'll just take that monitor :-P
21:12 Fixer twoelk: not sure if you understanded the meme though
21:38 Fixer faaaaaaaaaaaaster
21:38 Fixer god damn firefox
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22:41 Sokomine Shara: if you discover any artists hiding somewhere, please tell me! i often need textures as well. most of the time i manage to catch vanessae :-) sometimes jordach
22:42 Sokomine megaf: plenty of my nodes share the textures from the locked chest. textures...are more difficult than creating something complex
22:44 Shara Sokomine: Still digging for some.
22:44 Megaf Fixer: I gave up on firefox
22:44 rubenwardy :O
22:45 rubenwardy works well for me
22:45 rubenwardy well
22:45 Megaf Fixer: I'm using mostly Safari on macOS, the Preview version
22:45 rubenwardy tabs occasionally freeze with quantum
22:45 Megaf amazingly fast
22:45 rubenwardy hoping they're fix that
22:45 rubenwardy hmm, hang is probably a better world. The browser is still usable, just not that tab
22:45 Megaf on Linux I'm using mostly Opera
22:45 Sokomine twoelk: if it's surreal, add it to ethereal
22:48 Fixer i'm using ESR version though
22:49 Sokomine havn't found a really usable browser for android yet. something that serves me instead of the next best advertiser/abuser would be welcomed
22:55 Megaf Just took this macro of my laptops LCD screen. https://imgur.com/a/pdnr7
22:59 rubenwardy your DPI's a little low
22:59 Megaf or de magification is a little huge...
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23:06 Megaf rubenwardy: phones OLED https://i.imgur.com/yrxkVLv.jpg
23:07 Megaf where is a bunch of red pixels is actually white
23:09 rubenwardy nice
23:13 rubenwardy is there a way to make a one way node without relying on weird engine bugs?
23:14 Shara One way in what sense?
23:14 rubenwardy you can walk through it in one direction, but not another
23:14 rubenwardy *the other
23:15 rubenwardy guess what I'd like this for :P
23:15 Shara No idea, but often wanted it myself for things
23:16 Shara Even my one way glass nodes are perfect sadly :(
23:16 Shara aren't*
23:16 Shara So one way walking seemed too far
23:17 Megaf rubenwardy: you can make some traps using mesecons...
23:17 Megaf and ghoststones
23:17 rubenwardy heh, that's not very clean
23:17 rubenwardy especially if there's a large amount of players
23:17 rubenwardy ie: ctf
23:19 Shara I'm so tired of so many issues with flickering water :(
23:21 Fixer Shara: me too, lets bump                    that issue on github
23:21 Shara Can't have ice using alpha over water
23:21 Shara Can't place nodebox in water
23:21 shivajiva isn't that the dreaded layering of alpha textures nobody wants to attempt?
23:21 Shara It's like a crazy flashing mad disco
23:22 Shara Yup, seems so
23:22 Shara I can't even use my porthole nodes under water due to it
23:23 rubenwardy semi-transparency is difficult
23:23 rubenwardy well, heh
23:23 rubenwardy requires multiple rendering passes and sorting
23:23 Shara Hmm, actually portholes aren't flickering.. but the weird thing is, even when placed deep underwater, the inside of the node shows a water surface
23:23 Fixer i was complaining for this for years
23:24 Sokomine Shara: i'm still looking for some ships to place on the map....
23:24 shivajiva the issue is 5 years old I believe
23:24 Fixer shivajiva: 8 years ago iirc
23:24 shivajiva and yea ruben that's a lot of processing just to clean it up
23:26 Shara Look at this: http://gingercat.tk/dg/porthole_problem.png
23:26 Shara The water surface is a couple of nodes above
23:26 Shara But within that node, you see a new water surface
23:27 Shara Why would water go inside a nodebox?
23:27 Shara I can noclip inside it, see air, and see a water surface both below and above me
23:29 Shara And then on other nodeboxes, the water texture can be seen flashing on their sides instead
23:29 Fixer wth, where is that PR with alpha texures, no way it is closed
23:31 Shara Hmm, oddly, whether it flickers seems like it might have something to do with height (y) placement
23:32 rubenwardy I'd also love to make clouds volumetric
23:32 Fixer Shara: bump this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5083
23:33 rubenwardy so when you're inside the fog is closer and white, also less weird edge effects when inside
23:33 Shara Fixer: There was another issue which had something about this, and which even had a video wuzzy posted of my exact problem
23:33 Fixer Shara: about ice?
23:33 Shara And I'm not even sure what this second water level inside a node thing is to do with
23:33 Shara Fixer: yes
23:34 Fixer it is all about this z-sorting
23:39 Shara Oh well, added comment
23:44 Megaf tongue*
23:45 Megaf do I still*
23:45 Megaf Where's the customer service? If I go to the church, will they give me a refund?
23:48 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_against_God
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