Time Nick Message 00:10 benrob0329 IhrFussel: whats UTF-8 support? 00:17 IhrFussel benrob0329, something unknown in MT =P 00:19 rubenwardy ARGH 00:19 rubenwardy WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID GITHUB 00:19 rubenwardy JEEZ 00:21 Megaf ruben, where is that coming from? 00:21 rubenwardy Whenever I try to search something in lua_api.txt, it either goes into quick find file or edit mode 00:23 Megaf rubenwardy: just ctrl + f and type wht you need? 00:23 Fixer FINALLY SOMEONE USES CAPSLOCK 00:23 Megaf MEH, THIS IS NOT POLITE Fixer 00:24 Megaf n o t p o l i t e 00:24 rubenwardy Megaf, can't 00:24 Megaf !? 00:24 rubenwardy page listens for key stokes and does the "smart" stuff 00:25 rubenwardy find takes a split second to open, but in that time I've typed the first letter 00:25 rubenwardy so if I do ctrl+f e n v i r o n m e n t 00:25 rubenwardy the e will be caught by the page and ctrl+f, but the page does stuff first 00:25 Megaf works perfect in Chromium for me https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 00:25 rubenwardy (y) 00:25 rubenwardy congrats 00:25 Megaf ctrl + f uses chromiums search thing 00:26 Megaf rubenwardy: just use RAW https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/doc/lua_api.txt 00:32 benrob0329 rubenwardy: gitlab or the search function under 00:39 benrob0329 What is it with people and bumping 4 year old mods that ofc arent going to work anymore 00:57 twoelk hope? 01:00 Fixer maybe they do work 10:26 CWz BananaLand isn't showing up on the server list 10:38 lumberJ CWz its showing here: http://servers.minetest.net/ 10:39 lumberJ daconcepts.com:31009 11:14 nerzhul note, yesterday i read some things about user limit count, don't forget minetest.register_can_bypass_userlimit 11:37 MinetestBot paramat: Jan-12 07:59 UTC thank you related to step height 11:38 tenplus1 hi folks 11:50 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 12:28 Darcidride_ Hi tenplus1 12:29 tenplus1 o/ 12:38 Fixer hi 12:38 tenplus1 hey fixer 12:53 tenplus1 Xanadu updated with latest farming and mobs changes :D 13:02 tenplus1 wb 13:16 tenplus1 hi evergreen 13:23 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 13:23 aerozoic hello 14:18 tenplus1 wb folks 14:20 Fixer ty 14:20 Fixer did some postmeltdown DISK related benchmarks 14:20 Fixer crystaldiskmark and atto ones 14:21 tenplus1 not see 'em 14:21 Fixer also 14:22 Fixer seems like performance issues are not over 14:22 tenplus1 what you noticed ? 14:23 Fixer according to microsoft "In general, our experience is that Variant 1 and Variant 3 mitigations have minimal performance impact, while Variant 2 remediation, including OS and microcode, has a performance impact." 14:23 tenplus1 so far I have latest kernels and microcode and I dont notice any major regression 14:23 Fixer Windows and Linux users already received Meltdown patches (Variant 3) 14:23 Fixer Microcode Update for Spectre for some CPU was released recently 14:24 Fixer Variant 2 14:24 Fixer Spectre mitigation will have bigger penalty :/ 14:24 Fixer tenplus1: minetest itself had same fps before/after patch, however emergeblocks was like 15% slower iirc 14:25 tenplus1 after running ubu 18.04 with all new kernel.microcode.mesa I get fps increase 14:26 tenplus1 but I think the newer drivers are helping accomodate the regression from spectre 14:26 Fixer tenplus1: I compared my old CrystalDiskMark test from 2014 with todays numbers, they are a bit lower, ATTO gave me mixed results, something was lower and smth higher 14:27 Fixer crystal disk mark: https://i.imgur.com/RTVmhcL.png 14:29 Fixer disk io gonna suuck 14:30 Fixer seems like worst part will be Spectre mitigation, it is not final slowdown we see 14:30 tenplus1 damn, it hits io hard 14:30 Fixer yeah 14:30 Fixer same for some SSD operations 14:31 Fixer some workloads will be hit hard when that Retpoline goes merged 14:31 Fixer into linux 14:31 Fixer server related crap 14:31 tenplus1 wonder how amd compares after fix 14:32 Fixer "Intel promises transparency as Meltdown patch causes reboot problems with Broadwell and Haswell chips" 14:32 Fixer ke-ke-ke 14:32 Fixer AMD has BSODS iirc 14:33 Fixer AMD is affected to Spectre, but not to Meltdown 14:33 Fixer "Warning: Microsoft's Meltdown and Spectre patch is bricking some AMD PCs" 14:33 tenplus1 if only they gave an option/boot setting to disable fixes and bring back speed 14:33 Fixer "Microsoft pausing the rollout of Spectre and Meltdown patches to AMD systems" 14:33 Fixer tenplus1: you can 14:33 Fixer tenplus1: in linux at least, for meltdown at least 14:33 Fixer kptioff or smth like that, at boot 14:34 Fixer not sure about retpoline/spectre thingy 14:36 Fixer tenplus1: ordinary users with meltdown patch, that do game/office should not be screwed much 14:36 tenplus1 end of the day you still need access to pc to do anything with flaws, 14:39 tenplus1 hi srf 14:39 tenplus1 lol, too short :) hey srifqi 14:40 Fixer "With the Spectre attack, this information can be used to, for example, leak information within a browser (such as saved passwords or cookies) to a malicious JavaScript." 14:40 Fixer this part is especially horrifying 14:40 tenplus1 thankfully I dont save either... :D 14:40 srifqi Hi tenplus1 ! 14:41 srifqi What is Spectre attack? 14:43 tenplus1 it's a sinister group in the bond movies that plan to take over INtel 14:47 srifqi :O 14:48 Fixer "Windows will use PCID if the hardware supports INVPCID—that means Haswell or newer. If the hardware doesn't support INVPCID, then Windows won't fall back to using plain PCID" 14:48 Fixer this suck too 14:48 Fixer s 14:48 Fixer i have PCID, but not INVPCID 14:48 tenplus1 why they gotta mess with the chips... whyyyyyyyy 14:53 Megaf Are PowerPCs affected? 14:53 tenplus1 those are too old to be affected 14:53 Megaf PPC still very alive tenplus1 14:53 Fixer very good article https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/heres-how-and-why-the-spectre-and-meltdown-patches-will-hurt-performance/ 14:54 Megaf tenplus1: the current PowerPC are the POWER 9 14:55 Megaf They have up to 8 threads per core and 12 and 24 core CPUs 14:56 Megaf So up to 96 threads per CPU 14:56 tenplus1 damn, didnt know they were still being worked on... thought ppc died a death when apple moved to intel 14:56 tenplus1 also hi Megaf 14:56 Megaf Hi :) 14:56 Megaf I wish I had a POWER9 workstation 14:56 Megaf Debian do support them 14:56 Megaf oh, and 4 GHz 14:58 Fixer https://twitter.com/fran6wol/status/949696666172641280 python slowdown 14:58 Megaf tenplus1: you know this? https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ 14:58 Megaf opensource powerpc computer 14:58 tenplus1 nice 14:59 Megaf So my question stands, are PowerPCs affected? :) 14:59 tenplus1 http://tenfourfox.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/is-powerpc-susceptible-to-spectre-yep.html 15:00 Megaf yep, I'm reading some websites abut that 15:00 Megaf now, what about SPARC!? 15:01 tenplus1 ehehe 15:01 tenplus1 POWER 8, POWER 9, System z, and SPARC are also vulnerable. 15:01 Megaf oh boy, what do we have left? 15:01 Megaf RISC V 15:02 tenplus1 https://www.techpowerup.com/240310/risc-v-foundation-issues-statement-on-spectre-meltdown-exploits 15:04 Megaf Aha! 15:04 Megaf They did not disapoint me 15:04 tenplus1 lol, 15:04 Calinou "if you are rich, come to us" 15:04 Calinou "ditch your girlfriend and enjoy CPU safety" 15:04 Calinou :D 15:04 tenplus1 think I'll wait until the next-gen cpu's appear before ever upgrading... 15:04 Megaf ditch girlfirend, done 15:04 Megaf can I have my CPU now? 15:04 tenplus1 hi cal 15:05 Calinou hi 15:05 Megaf I think MIPS CPUs are safe too tenplus1 15:06 Megaf if MIPS were affected then havoc would happen 15:06 Fixer Calinou: ditched my girlfriend @ finally updated my PC @ PCMasterRace 15:06 tenplus1 wonder if I can stack 68040's and use those :P 15:06 Megaf since a lot of routers, switches and stuff use MIPS 15:07 Fixer good benchmarks here https://www.techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-performance-windows/ 15:07 Fixer also, part 3 is SAD! 15:07 Megaf Fixer: the website is very sad, it's a piece of crap 15:07 Megaf since it requires JavaScriptt to function 15:07 tenplus1 lol 15:08 Megaf not enabling JS for a website, no way 15:08 Megaf no even Google has JS from me 15:08 Megaf meh, anyone can edit wikipedia and add JS that exploits meltdown 15:08 Calinou uh, I don't think so 15:09 * Megaf removes wikipedia from the whitelist 15:09 Calinou you can add CSS and JavaScript to your own user account, which will only be used by yourself 15:09 Calinou (either for a specific theme, or for all themes) 15:09 Fixer from what I see, when I get microcode update - my HDD will start crying 15:10 Megaf very nice website that doesnt use JS https://newworldinteractive.com/ 15:10 Megaf or at least works well without it 15:11 tenplus1 wow, that's nicely done 15:12 Megaf Indeed 15:12 Megaf see? That's why I hate JS 15:12 tenplus1 it can all be done with html5 15:12 Megaf heavy as hell, devs make terrible use of it, it's vunerable, and totally not necessary 15:14 tenplus1 maybe 2018 will see some browser changes to stop all that 15:14 tenplus1 what would you say is the best plugin for chromium to limit JS usage ? 15:14 lisac any idea how does one create vertical tabheader? 15:15 Megaf tenplus1: just disable JS 15:15 Megaf then enable it for the websites you want 15:15 tenplus1 wont that mess up MANY sites 15:16 Megaf the messed up websites you stop visiting 15:16 Megaf because they are crap 15:16 tenplus1 lol 15:16 tenplus1 will do a test, lemmie disable JS and reset browser 15:18 tenplus1 lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah 15:18 tenplus1 that's so sad 15:18 lisac tenplus1: I thought YT was HTML5 since ages ago 15:18 lisac wait 15:18 lisac kill me 15:19 lisac anyway, you can use noscript 15:19 tenplus1 all I get is a youtube logo in corner and nothing on screen... 15:19 tenplus1 hi lisac 15:19 lisac hey tenplus1 :) 15:19 lisac https://noscript.net/ 15:19 Megaf 13:18 lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah 15:19 Megaf confirmed ^ 15:20 Megaf and that's sad 15:20 tenplus1 indeed... why do so many sites use this 15:20 Megaf as I previously shoes in te newwroldinteractive, you don't need JS for videos 15:20 tenplus1 I coudl add a javascript button to the page and enable.disable at will 15:20 tenplus1 hrm 15:21 Megaf tenplus1: for the same reason people use Windows, .NET and other crap. because they are lazy ass and don't want to make something really good 15:21 tenplus1 damn their lazyness 15:21 Megaf And as I always said, It's too easy making software for powerful hardware 15:21 Megaf it doesnt care about your lazyness and mistakes 15:22 tenplus1 chromium has a scriptsafe plugin 15:22 srifqi Minetest landing page? 15:22 Megaf down 15:23 srifqi I mean, can Minetest main web page still run without JS? 15:23 Megaf Dont know, it's down 15:23 Megaf http://servers.minetest.net/ is just a white page without JS 15:24 Megaf srifqi: minetest.net seems to work ok withtou JS 15:24 Megaf apart from the menus 15:24 srifqi Minetest server list depends on JS for content update. 15:25 Megaf the bloody menus are stupid JS code 15:25 srifqi The menus don't work? 15:25 srifqi I thought it was CSS. 15:25 Megaf man, you can do nice menus in old HTML 4 15:25 Megaf without JS 15:25 Megaf 2018, really?\ 15:25 Megaf /o\ 15:25 Megaf ╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 15:26 Calinou servers.minetest.net uses AJAX to update without having to refresh the entire page 15:26 Calinou ("meta refresh" can be used to do that in HTML, but it makes for a really bad user experience) 15:27 Calinou (it cannot be controlled by the user, it will scroll back up on refresh and everything) 15:27 Megaf feck this. I ain't enable JS. ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻ 15:27 Calinou (plus, it flashes) 15:28 red-001 just read http://servers.minetest.net/list 15:29 Megaf oh my 15:29 Calinou JSON is my son! 15:29 red-001 Calinou, couldn't the server do some noscript stuff and serve a static page to anyone in without javascript? 15:30 Megaf wb tenplus1 15:30 tenplus1 thanks... I have javascript disabled by default and can enable with button on navbar :D 15:32 Calinou red-001: it's possible but it won't refresh automatically 15:32 Calinou it would require moving the HTML rendering server-side, too 15:32 red-001 Calinou, gets the JS haters to stop complaining through 15:32 Calinou (it's client-side right now, IIRC, I'm not sure) 15:33 red-001 yeah it's seems to be client sided 15:33 Megaf Can't PHP do a lor of JS stuff? 15:33 Megaf lot* 15:33 red-001 Calinou, what about the minetest.net menus, I have heared people complain about them way too many times 15:34 tenplus1 wow google search looks sooooo different without javascript active 15:34 Megaf It's the old site 15:34 Megaf it used to be like that 15:35 tenplus1 I prefer it, loads fast 15:35 Calinou red-001: yeah, not sure if Bootstrap easily supports a way to make them display on hover using CSS 15:35 Megaf And I rather like that version 15:35 Calinou (instead of on-click using JavaScript) 15:35 Megaf also, it doesn't mask the page URLs 15:35 Calinou DuckDuckGo still has a no-JS version by the way 15:35 Megaf tenplus1: try your GMail :) 15:35 red-001 they kinda need to Calinou 15:35 Megaf you can even midle click your emails to open them in a new tab 15:36 red-001 thier selling point is that they wouldn't track you 15:36 tenplus1 sweeeet, so fast... what the hell are google playing at using the slow ass javascript 15:37 Fixer Megaf: js is not purely evil, you can enable bits you trust and leave trash/trackers disabled 15:37 Megaf tenplus1: verbatim mode in google search, try it 15:37 Megaf no ads in teh results 15:38 Fixer i have not seen ads in google since ages 15:38 tenplus1 have had adblocker enabled for years now :D 15:39 Megaf apple.com also works without JS 15:39 Megaf adblockers slow things down a lot 15:39 Megaf and make your browser use lots of memory/cpu 15:39 tenplus1 they do, but I dont wanna see so much crap being loaded with a site 15:39 Megaf best thing is use clean chromium, without JS 15:39 Megaf and plugins and extension 15:40 Calinou I went back to Chromium, it's much smoother on Linux than Firefox 15:40 tenplus1 agreed 15:40 Calinou Firefox on Linux has CSD now (especially in Fedora) so you gain some vertical space, but it's still less smooth 15:40 Megaf Firefox is very slow indeed 15:40 Calinou I forced hardware acceleration in both, and tweaked many flags in Chromium 15:40 red-001 I'm about 50% sure that browsers use that much memory just to drive up ram prices 15:40 tenplus1 I use to hate chromium for it's lack of cache settings, but found a way around it :D 15:40 Calinou (new prefetcher, 4 render threads, …) 15:41 Fixer adblocker for decades actually 15:41 Megaf tenplus1: Opera up to 12 was the best browser 15:41 Calinou pages on https://www.notebookcheck.net/ load in < 1 second, despite having an ADSL connection 15:41 Megaf you could set up settings for ram cache AND disk cache 15:41 Calinou sometimes < 0.5s even 15:41 tenplus1 opera was a great browser, I use it until they went chromium and it exploded in site 15:41 tenplus1 *size 15:42 Megaf rebotting to kernel 4.15, brb 15:42 tenplus1 good luck 15:42 Fixer Calinou: it is funny how manufacturers raped everyone with 16:9, so you need to CSD, and other """workarounds""", when you can sell 16:10 for good prices but you don't want because it is made into Elite category 15:42 Calinou with 7 tabs, the Chromium processes amount to ~1.2 GB of RAM or so right now 15:42 Calinou it's a lot but I have 32 GB… 15:42 Calinou and I set some flags which increase memory usage, but make it a bit faster 15:43 Calinou Fixer: to be fair, I don't need 16:10 on 32" :) 15:43 Calinou I'd like it on a laptop though 15:43 tenplus1 Cal, what are your fav. flags to change ? 15:43 Calinou or even 3:2 like the Surface Pro 15:43 Fixer Calinou: yes, laptops are affected a lot by this nonsense 15:44 Fixer i really need to calculate what 16:10/9 i need to replace my 19" 5:4 to have as much physical height 15:45 Calinou tenplus1: I enable Override software rendering list, Display list 2D canvas, Fast tab/window close, Overlay Scrollbars, GPU rasterization, TCP Fast Open, Zero-copy rasterizer, Number of raster threads (4), Allow invalid certificates for resources loaded from localhost, Brotli Content-Encoding, No-State Prefetch (Enabled Prerender), Speculative Prefetch (Enabled Prefetching), many Omnibox things (narrow dropdown, 8 matches instead of 4, site 15:45 Calinou favions, no trivial subdomains) 15:45 Calinou whew :) 15:45 Calinou the browser is still super stable 15:46 tenplus1 oof, lemmie copy n paste that one :D 15:46 tenplus1 I just disable cache and add adblocker :P 15:46 Fixer Calinou: 1920x1200 is amazing for retro, since you can have proper pixel sizes 15:47 Calinou https://lut.im/rRvVH1bf6e/QqHa6qfBd8A2buoq.png 15:47 Calinou my Omnibox looks like this 15:47 Calinou Fixer: 2560×1440 works well for lowres Doom :P 15:47 Calinou (6× scale in Chocolate Doom, 3× scale in Crispy Doom) 15:47 Fixer Calinou: 2560 is probably overkill 15:47 Fixer i don't have THAT MUCH CASH 15:49 Fixer according to calculations, I need at least 24" 16:9 to have same height (physical and pixel) 15:49 Megaf meh, nouveau is totally broekn in 4.15 rc5 15:49 Calinou 2560×1440 is fairly cheap in 24"/25"/27" but you need scaling 15:50 Megaf rebooted in macOS instead... 15:50 Calinou 32" doesn't require it, but starts at €420 or so 15:50 tenplus1 yeh, when using minetest it eventually stalled desktop Megaf 15:50 Fixer no wait 15:50 Megaf I couldnt even get the kernel to load properly tenplus1 15:50 Megaf framebuffer wast working 15:50 Fixer according to my calc, 24-25" should be good enough 15:51 Fixer or 23" 16:10 15:51 tenplus1 amd opensource is much better 15:51 Fixer 24" 16:10 15:53 Fixer https://www.ghacks.net/2018/01/11/check-linux-for-spectre-or-meltdown-vulnerability/ 15:53 Calinou I checked it, I still have vulnerability to Spectre :) 15:54 Calinou I reported https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker/issues/46 :P 15:56 Fixer Calinou: you have updated bios/microcode? 16:00 Calinou nope 16:00 Calinou I just updated the kernel 16:00 Calinou so I have the Meltdown fix at least 16:04 Fixer "In a world where vintage-2011 Sandy Bridge processors" 16:04 Fixer V I N T A G E???? 16:05 Fixer writer is probably apple user 16:05 tenplus1 ahaha 16:06 tenplus1 my intel atom came out 2012 so I'm not quite vintage yet :D 16:06 Calinou Fixer: eh, 8 year old CPUs are vintage 16:06 Calinou even Sandy Bridge could be considered vintage 16:06 red-001 vintage apple product: anything older then ~6 months 16:06 Fixer no it is not 16:06 Fixer 386 is vintage 16:06 tenplus1 lol red 16:07 Fixer Celeron 300MHz is vintage 16:07 Fixer Pentium III is vintage 16:07 Fixer everything else still used actively 16:07 Fixer you can slap more RAM on Athlon XP and keep using it in office 16:08 Fixer they are not updating, they install more RAM and keep using whatever was installed, XP or 7 or whatever 16:08 tenplus1 yeah, hell I've used a 286 pc with 4mb memory and working with Lotus Office :D 16:08 Fixer even stuff like Celeron 1.7Ghz is used 16:08 Megaf Calinou: AFAIK you need new firmware and a matching kernel 16:09 Megaf Calinou: how can I test if I'm affected? 16:09 Fixer i have notebook in use with CPU from 2008 or so 16:10 Fixer today if you don't game at Ultra settings you dont need upgrade much anymore 16:10 Megaf I wonder if that will work on OS X 16:11 Fixer some """"""""vintage""""""" core i5 with 200usd videocard is still perfectly up for most tasks 16:11 Calinou Megaf: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker on Linux 16:12 Calinou other tools exist for macOS, surely 16:12 red-001 honestly kinda surprised apple didn't get thier hardware to brick itself after 2 years, I guess that might have been too on the nose 16:12 Calinou Fixer: today's games pretty much require a quad core CPU to run smoothly, regardless of settings 16:12 Calinou these debuted in 2011 laptops :) 16:12 Fixer Calinou: require? they will not refuse to work anyway 16:13 Calinou they'll run poorly, often stuttering below 30 FPS 16:13 Fixer it is like, hey, you got only two eggs, i mean cores, f--k you, i will not run 16:13 Fixer Calinou: quad cores were available since ages 16:13 tenplus1 2fps... pfft 16:14 tenplus1 64-bit has been available for ages and games still dont take advantage 16:14 Fixer 4 cores since 2007 in Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 16:15 Megaf I might buy a Core2Quad laptop next month 16:15 Fixer tenplus1: yeah, iirc, ETS2 was 32bit and sometimes crashed because of limit 16:16 Fixer i had no such problem though 16:16 tenplus1 :P 16:17 tenplus1 my nettop has 32-bit linus on it for so long and eventually installed 64-bit by mistake and it worked :) ahahahaha 16:17 Fixer if you don't use much mem, there is no need for 64 bit 16:17 Megaf restarting, going back to Debian now (installing update on macOS) 16:17 tenplus1 w00t 16:17 Fixer but it is prefered for now 16:18 Calinou Fixer: in laptops, no 16:18 Calinou you mentioned laptops ;) 16:18 tenplus1 at the time I had 2gb... now I have 4gb (nettops limis) 16:18 Fixer Calinou: nah, nobody plays on craptops, apart from mazos 16:18 Calinou I remember 32-bit Minecraft OOMing in late 2011 when using the Far render distance 16:18 Calinou Mojang eventually discouraged the usage of 32-bit Java if using the Far render idstance 16:18 Calinou now, the maximal renderer distance depends on the -Xmx value you use 16:18 Calinou I can set up to 64 since I use -Xmx4G :) 16:18 red-001 is 32-bit not dead yet? 16:18 Fixer but times change, now people buy 1USD chinese speakers to listen to music @ It is 2017 16:19 tenplus1 it will be in a few years when the older systems eventually die or stop being suported 16:19 Calinou many distros no longer provide support for 32-bit 16:19 Calinou Arch Linux doesn't even provides updates anymore, but an official continuation exist 16:19 Calinou exists* 16:19 tenplus1 lubuntu is the only *buntu version to do so... the rest are 64-bit only now 16:19 Fixer debian/slackware will probably support 16:22 tenplus1 considering how cheap it is to buy a 64-bit system now am sure ppl will upgrade where poissible 16:22 * Wayward_One is running 32 bit mint 18.3 on this 2-in-1 16:23 Wayward_One :P 16:23 red-001 hi Wayward_One 16:23 tenplus1 hows it run ? 16:23 tenplus1 also hi 16:23 Wayward_One really well 16:23 Wayward_One hi :) 16:23 Fixer tenplus1: not everywhere, in a lot of countries apart from US/Japan/EU stuff gets MORE PRICEY every damn day 16:23 Wayward_One considering this device only has 2Gb ram 16:23 tenplus1 my 64-bit lenovo desktop was 99quid... that has a quad j2900 16:24 Fixer there is a reason why I'm using Core i3 Sandy Bridge... it costs 3x as much today as when I bought it 16:24 srifqi My 32-bit pentium 4 computer runs on lubuntu. 16:24 tenplus1 sweet, all my systems run lubuntu... even xanadu server on it's core i5 16:25 srifqi ... with 72 GB HDD and 512 MB RAM. ._. 16:25 tenplus1 wow, what do you use it for ? 16:31 tenplus1 hi CBD 16:32 CBugDCoder hi ten 16:33 tenplus1 srifqi: did you add the 'vm.swappiness = 15' line to /etc/sysctl.conf file to help with memory ? 16:33 CBugDCoder I just got done modifying mobs-redo so that the mobs turn smoothly :) 16:33 tenplus1 ooh nice, you got it on git ? 16:34 srifqi tenplus1: mostly because I have old data archived there and I need an OS to run it so that it still has some value to not to be ended up in trash. 16:34 srifqi Also, my brothers still use it. 16:34 tenplus1 I agree, mightbe old but if it still works :) yay 16:35 CBugDCoder not atm it is for athermensia but i can send you the changes in a pm if you want i also made the mobs runaway crooked as if they are scared XD 16:35 srifqi Never heard about sysctl.conf. 16:35 Calinou sysctl.conf has been here for over 10 years, IIRC 16:35 Calinou it's not linked to systemd 16:35 tenplus1 srifqi: it handles virtual memory so it doesnt use it too soon, hence slowing down the computer, 16:35 tenplus1 CBugDCoder: that'd be kewl thanks, would like to see changes :) 16:36 srifqi Basically, use RAM more often than virtual memory? 16:36 tenplus1 exactly, and once it hits 15% left use vm to unload memory 16:36 tenplus1 it helps a lot 16:36 tenplus1 even setting to 20 would be ideal wit 512mb 16:37 srifqi Will try next time I use it. 16:51 srifqi Late night here. See you! 16:52 tenplus1 o/ 17:01 rubenwardy yo 17:01 tenplus1 hi ruben 17:03 rubenwardy > spam up on the forum for 10 hours 17:03 tenplus1 is it that damn tech product thing again, fed up reporting those 17:06 rubenwardy yeah 17:06 tenplus1 kinda wish I had a wee delete button next to the alert icon so I could just remove it 17:06 rubenwardy always the same [a-z]apedLen 17:06 rubenwardy I wish there were a delete icon 17:07 rubenwardy you have to select the user profile, click administrate, enter password, ban their IP, then delete posts 17:07 rubenwardy the last action takes about 20 seconds 17:07 rubenwardy maybe 10 17:29 nore rubenwardy: install selenium and make a script for that :p 17:33 rubenwardy new homepage https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/index.html 17:33 rubenwardy O_o 17:33 tenplus1 :P 17:33 rubenwardy older one had a lot of junk 17:33 rubenwardy nore: I'll look into it, hesistant though 17:33 rubenwardy don't want to accidentally delete a user again 17:33 rubenwardy <_< 17:35 Dargod hi all 17:36 rubenwardy hi 17:37 tenplus1 hi Dargod 17:50 red-001 I use sytlebot to inject css 17:54 Megaf Opera used to change sites styles... 17:54 Megaf Man, Opera was so amazing 17:55 Megaf opera/stable 12.16.1860 amd64 17:55 Megaf Fast and secure web browser and Internet suite 17:55 Megaf cool 17:56 Megaf apt search opera ^ 18:01 Fixer rubenwardy: for some reason, it does not fit like 1-2 pixels by height, so I see a scrollbar 18:01 Fixer rubenwardy: 1280x1024 18:02 rubenwardy thanks for saying 18:02 rubenwardy can remove some of the cover heigh 18:04 rubenwardy huh, I can't reproduce with 1280x1024 18:04 Megaf there, best browser ever ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1216/ 18:04 rubenwardy on FF or Chrome 18:04 Megaf tar the bz2, is protable, run from where you extract it 18:07 tenplus1 hi benrob 18:08 benrob0329 Hi ten 18:11 Dargod It would be nice if someone tested my style for servers.minetest.net 18:11 Dargod https://userstyles.org/styles/154149/night-mt-server-list 18:16 tenplus1 hi fussel 18:17 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhvfa3zRaGs 18:17 Megaf !title 18:17 MinetestBot Megaf: $17,000 PC from 1990: IBM PS/2 Model 90 XP 486 - YouTube 18:17 IhrFussel 2018-01-13 19:11:36: [Main]: INFO: signal_handler(): got SIGTERM, shutting down. << I did NOT shut it down or end the process... what could've caused it? 18:17 rubenwardy low memory 18:18 rubenwardy restart of vps 18:19 IhrFussel If it was memory wouldn't dmesg report it? The VM didn't restart, just the MT process exited for some reason 18:24 sfan5 look into dmesg 18:24 sfan5 if it's not in there it was something else 18:47 IhrFussel dmesg only reports a segfault but that was earlier today ... I see no /shutdown in the chat log either 18:48 IhrFussel Could KVM shutdown processes of VMs if they are too resource hungry maybe? 18:55 sfan5 no 18:56 benrob0329 Bye all o/ 18:56 tenplus1 cya 19:02 Fixer Megaf: i've read some history on PS/2, it was so funny, IBM PC clones won 19:02 Fixer you are welcome 19:02 IhrFussel sfan5, is there a way to find out which process sent the signal? 19:02 sfan5 nope 19:20 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 19:20 nerzhul hi tenplus1 19:20 nerzhul i updated the current 0.5 changelog on the wiki 19:20 nerzhul https://wiki.minetest.net/Changelog 19:21 tenplus1 wb CBugDCoder, this kinda works: https://pastebin.com/ZTSud34a 19:21 nerzhul hmm http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog sorry 19:24 Shara nerzhul: not adding ability for subgames to restrict mapgen? 19:27 nerzhul i don't see any commit about that 19:28 Shara It's #6792 19:28 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6792 -- Give subgames the ability to disallow specific mapgens by Ezhh 19:29 Shara It's a quite important feature for people making subgames, and addin git closed of some quite old issue about this 19:29 Shara So would be nice to include it :) 19:31 CBugDCoder hmm ten it still doesnt me or seem to turn much at all 19:31 CBugDCoder follow ^ 19:32 tenplus1 issue with mobs attacking, you get to a certain angle and they keep going straight instead of at player 19:39 CBugDCoder ten that could be easily fixed by having the set velocity function read the yaw from target_yaw 19:40 CBugDCoder but that would make movement jerky 19:40 tenplus1 yeah, attack yaw is smooth cause it's updated per tick instead of the usual 1 second interval 19:41 tenplus1 maybe we could have a turn funtion to turn THEN attack 19:41 tenplus1 priority goes to turning first before movement 19:45 CBugDCoder yea or have the folowing/attacking updated per step instead of per second 19:45 tenplus1 normal mob tick is per second, movement is per second but when attacking its per tick so it turns to face player smoother 19:46 CBugDCoder yes 19:49 tenplus1 man I hate radians... why werent entities using degrees... 19:50 CBugDCoder XD me too 19:50 CBugDCoder ohh make a converter function so that the mobs can use radians and set/get yaw converts it XD 19:51 CBugDCoder i meant so that they can use degrees 19:51 CBugDCoder XD 19:51 tenplus1 I would but mob rotation and riding rely on radians... that took me forever to figure out 19:51 tenplus1 :P 19:52 CBugDCoder ohh XD 19:52 tenplus1 I was trying to simplify your turning function by using hardcoded radians, 0 = 0 degrees, 6.283 = 360 degrees 19:58 paramat too much offtopic here today (usual suspects), just read logs :) 19:59 tenplus1 what offtopic ? intel ? 20:00 tenplus1 also, hi 20:04 tenplus1 wb ruben 20:05 rubenwardy nerzhul: please put the authors 20:05 rubenwardy jesus 20:07 Shara I'll just add that one myself to make sure it's not missed 20:14 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated with bug fixes 20:19 tenplus1 hi compunerd 20:34 tenplus1 hi nathan 20:34 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 20:35 tenplus1 :P 21:01 tenplus1 nite folks 21:20 nerzhul rubenwardy, no, i never did that , and i'm the only to maintain that and i don't have time for this :) 21:20 rubenwardy you can literally do it as you're making the change log 21:25 nerzhul i can but i don't want to do it, i don't have time for this. 21:26 nerzhul nobody wants to do the changelog as it seems, 6 months pass and nobody has updated it since my last update 21:26 nerzhul and i don't want to loose time to find all commits to see who did what, i have other things to do :) 21:27 nerzhul https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/952025261045895168 serious, lkml... 21:45 red-001 changelogs are thankless work 21:46 Calinou are people still asking me to write a changelog 2 years later? :D 21:47 Calinou we should have followed http://keepachangelog.com/en/1.0.0/ from the beginning :( 21:47 Calinou I'm doing this for my own projects now 21:47 Calinou (see moreblocks) 21:56 Shara Any kind of documentation related work is usually thankless. 21:57 Shara Just generates complaints if not done. 22:01 Calinou exactly 22:01 Calinou few people thanked me for the 4,000+ edits I've done on the Minecraft wiki :) 22:31 red-001 hi Grandolf 22:31 Grandolf hi red 22:49 Grandolf how do i fix skins on minetest 0.5.0-dev? 22:50 Shara What's wrong with them? 22:50 Grandolf they are sunken into the ground 22:50 Grandolf by about 1 node 22:50 Shara So the player model is sunk? 22:50 Shara Is this when connecting to a server? 22:51 Shara If so, you need to make sure you have the same version client as the server 23:48 Megaf Man, my ears really actually hurt when I listen to modern music 23:48 Megaf the amplitude and rithm are just wrong 23:48 Megaf too loud 23:48 Megaf no continuation 23:48 Megaf And I wont even mention the lyrics 23:49 Megaf This is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5keCuQffN3g 23:51 Megaf !title 23:51 MinetestBot Megaf: Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Vinyl) - YouTube 23:51 Megaf and this 23:51 Megaf !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LI-xUDjlI 23:51 MinetestBot Megaf: Pink Floyd - Mother - 432Hz (HQ German Vinyl) - YouTube 23:52 Megaf Loud music ain't good