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Time Nick Message
00:00 Megaf paramat: what about Rogers PRs?
00:00 paramat mostly neglected by author
00:00 rubenwardy I will note that I do like SN's changes, just not how they are presented
00:01 Megaf neglected? He waited for several years
00:01 Megaf is Roger his name?
00:01 Megaf lemme check
00:01 rubenwardy Rogier-5
00:02 Megaf ok
00:02 Megaf red-001 himself have some very interesting PRs that I don't see getting merged soon
00:03 Megaf rubenwardy: you have trivial PRs that were not merged yet either
00:03 Megaf we have good coders and good PRs
00:03 Megaf but more times is being put in other stuff
00:03 Megaf #6882
00:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6882 -- Fix naming conventions of noise userdata by rubenwardy
00:03 Megaf just merge it
00:04 paramat nooo, when i say 'neglected' i mean we are waiting for author action, and not rebase because we understand that rebasing while no reviews are happening is irritating
00:04 Megaf #6883 there shouldnt be a need for this PR,
00:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6883 -- Convert Lua vectors into a proper Lua class by rubenwardy
00:04 paramat we are waiting on red for action on many of their PRs
00:04 Megaf #6825 could be merged too
00:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker
00:04 Megaf and so on
00:04 paramat 6882 is trivial enough +1
00:05 Megaf numberZero has been doing a good work too. Just not very good style yet, but he is learning
00:05 red-001 whats the discussion about?
00:05 paramat 6825 has no review or approval yet, you want quality right? =)
00:06 red-001 #6825
00:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker
00:06 Megaf paramat: but then that I dont want good PRs dying
00:07 Megaf paramat: by the way, thank you so much for all the time you have been puting in Minetest dev lately
00:07 paramat then complain to the authors to work on them
00:07 paramat heheh
00:07 paramat thanks you
00:08 Megaf I'm not attacking anyone personally, I want to make that very clear. I like all of you. I just think we can make an even better job in Minetest, specially with the growing community we have
00:08 Shara Megaf; start helping out with PRs/testing then please
00:08 paramat maybe pay us a wage to review PRs, reviewing is hard and often boring, so we have to balance it against stuff we enjoy
00:08 rubenwardy we need another Fixer
00:08 rubenwardy lol, what have I done!
00:08 Shara Quality will go up if more people step forward to test things
00:08 Megaf Shara: I was doing that before you even met MT :P
00:08 rubenwardy we'll need another two now!
00:08 Shara You lost us our Fixer :(
00:08 paramat also, it's open source, so number of contributions is always too large for the limited dev time we have
00:09 Sokomine rubenwardy: you forgot to block the exit :-)
00:09 Shara paramat: that sounds like a "need more devs" to me :P
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00:09 rubenwardy if you can compile, test visible changes such as player or API related changes extensively
00:09 Megaf what happened to Fixer?
00:09 sofar Connection reset by peer
00:09 rubenwardy and make sure to say what you tested (like, what you actually did)
00:11 Megaf I suggest stuff myself, stuff easy to implement. Like this #4564
00:11 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4564 -- [Request] Make client timeout if RTT < 0.
00:11 Megaf and the frustration comes when a feature or bugfix wont happen in 0.4 but only in 0.5
00:13 Shara bugfixes are actually getting added to backports branch
00:13 Megaf that
00:13 Megaf that's a recent thing
00:14 Shara Yes, but shows such concerns are listened to
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00:16 rubenwardy wb Fixer
00:16 paramat if something can only be added in 0.5 there is a good reason, compatibility breakage
00:17 Megaf how is the migration of players to sqlite going?
00:17 sofar done?
00:17 Megaf the tool had a bug, has it been sorted out?
00:17 red-001 paramat, tbh you do take the whole keep it simple thing a bit far
00:17 * Megaf appreciates KISS
00:17 Megaf mostly because ADHD
00:17 Megaf :P
00:18 * Shara wants to see more stuff in MTG
00:18 Megaf IhrFussel: max_lag=0.432494
00:18 Megaf one player mininig
00:20 paramat well i just have opinions and see some things as unnecessary, diagreement is inevitable ;)
00:21 IhrFussel Megaf, max_lag 0.28 with 10 players ... but the CPU in this machine is just good
00:21 Fixer ty
00:21 Fixer have you looked into mt performance after meltdown update?
00:22 * rubenwardy kills CLion
00:22 rubenwardy relevant: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/news/an​nouncements/132642-epic-services-stability-update
00:23 sofar could be any reason
00:23 sofar could be their hoster put more customers on the same node
00:23 rubenwardy (spot the Intel employee)
00:24 sofar look
00:24 sofar they have 3 nodes
00:24 sofar only one went up
00:24 rubenwardy maybe only one got the update?
00:24 Fixer btw
00:24 rubenwardy that's how I read it
00:24 Shara How I read it too
00:24 Fixer on linux forum i've seen reports of nearly doubling workload since meltdown update, redhat server
00:25 Megaf I should migrate my VPS and dedicated to old Opterons...
00:26 sofar it's possible
00:26 sofar it's also possible anecdotal
00:26 sofar "stability update" -> posts performance data
00:27 sofar don't get me wrong, the regression is horrendous, if it's really ~30%
00:27 Megaf #6784 that's already a feature in 0.4, it's just hte tool to migrate exising to database that is broken
00:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6784 -- Store auth in sqlite db.
00:27 Megaf how come it had been pushed to 0.5?
00:27 sofar but given the public available data, I'm doubtful
00:28 Megaf I know I'm somehow mistaken. Making confusion about 7684
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00:28 Megaf we have a lumber j, a lazy j, a mega f. Cool!
00:29 Megaf lumberJ: you need to be logged to nickserv to talk here
00:29 Megaf MarisaG: same to you ^
00:29 rubenwardy he is
00:29 Megaf [22:28:04] --> lumberJ (~lumberJui@96-37-222-205.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #minetest-hub
00:29 rubenwardy you can't join this channel without being logged in
00:29 Megaf he wasnt when he joined
00:29 Megaf rubenwardy: I believe you can
00:29 rubenwardy that doesn't prove anything
00:29 rubenwardy * [lumberJ] is logged in as lumberJuice
00:29 rubenwardy you can't, this channel has +r
00:30 rubenwardy (this was done last week)
00:30 Megaf aha
00:30 Megaf so we need to add him to the voice list
00:30 Shara People who want voice should poke an op
00:31 Megaf lumberJ: MarisaG: poke an op here to get voice.
00:31 Megaf if poking Shara I'd suggest using a long stick
00:31 IhrFussel Ubuntu didn't release the patches yet by the way and my server uses Ubuntu
00:32 * Megaf is not afraid of death
00:32 IhrFussel They say they try to get them out before Jan 09 but can't promise it
00:32 Fixer zabbix server under xen (whatever that is), loadavg doubled
00:32 Megaf let me check status in Debian
00:33 IhrFussel xen is a VM software like KVM AFAIK
00:33 Shara Megaf: No stick is long enough :)
00:34 Megaf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886367
00:34 Megaf !title
00:34 MinetestBot Megaf: #886367 - intel-microcode: coming updates for meltdown/spectre - Debian Bug report logs
00:34 Megaf Shara: in my server we have stone sticks
00:34 Megaf so, they hurt more
00:34 Megaf if needed for self defence
00:34 Megaf defense
00:35 sofar Xen = VT
00:35 lumberJ Megaf now we just need a killerB
00:37 rubenwardy > stone sticks
00:37 rubenwardy > STONE sticks
00:38 Megaf rubenwardy: you stonned?
00:38 Megaf broh
00:38 * Megaf runs
00:38 rubenwardy what even is a stone stick supposed to be?
00:39 Megaf rubenwardy: it's just like a normal stick, but made from cobble, isntead of planks
00:40 Megaf so when you are mining, if you run out of wood to make planks to make tools, you can use your cobble
00:40 Megaf Not sure if this mod still active tho
00:41 rubenwardy so you just take some stone and squash it into a stick?
00:41 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=10849
00:41 rubenwardy sounds impractical
00:41 Megaf !title
00:41 MinetestBot Megaf: Quality Assurance measures - Minetest Forums
00:41 rubenwardy surely it would fall apart
00:41 Megaf rubenwardy: It's not active anymore
00:41 Megaf I agreee
00:41 Shara Tool with cobble handle...
00:42 Shara Hit something with tool...
00:42 Shara Handle breaks?
00:42 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=9682
00:42 Megaf !title
00:42 MinetestBot Megaf: Base issues and missing features - Minetest Forums
00:42 Megaf many nice topics
00:42 Megaf rubenwardy is in all of them
00:44 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=12494
00:44 Megaf !title
00:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Minetest UI en menu look - Minetest Forums
00:44 Megaf rubenwardy: you are not htere ^
00:45 rubenwardy heh, had nothing to add I guess
00:45 rubenwardy remember that topic though
00:46 rubenwardy Kenney is cool, I use his resources for one of my (non-MT) games
00:46 rubenwardy it is very sad indeed that we couldn't keep him
00:48 Calinou He was not always a good citizen. But he was an artist! And as all artists, he shall not be forgiven.
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01:03 celeron55 https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-​credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-fro​m-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5
01:04 celeron55 how 'bout some web security
01:07 sofar node == death
01:08 sofar (Using this method, I took over Trump’s Twitter account and started sending out all sorts of weird shit. As yet no one has noticed.)
01:08 sofar LMAO
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01:10 rubenwardy I like report-uri.com, it requires 16+ character passwords
01:10 Fixer wat?
01:10 redblade7 hi
01:12 red-001 sofar, holy shit you weren't kidding, how did anyone not notice you got the presidents account?
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01:12 sofar that was a quote of the linked article
01:12 celeron55 node.js is actually fine
01:13 celeron55 it's npm that isn't
01:13 red-001 oh I thought it was an orginal joke
01:13 sofar I just avoid any external JS libs
01:13 sofar for what I need, I can just write the small bits I need
01:14 celeron55 you also have to avoid any other external libs, be it any language and server or client side, if there's any way they could inject a script in the output
01:14 celeron55 if you can't trust them
01:14 rubenwardy the only JS on my site I haven't looked through is jQuery and Bootstrap
01:15 celeron55 shouldn't really be news to anyone, but... it is
01:15 Fixer but web monkeys like external libs...
01:15 Fixer have a nice sleep and a great npm-apocalypsis
01:15 sofar I don't even have jquery
01:16 sofar no need
01:16 celeron55 php's composer is probably prone to this also
01:16 celeron55 and whatever the other languages use these days
01:16 celeron55 pip
01:16 celeron55 gem
01:16 sofar luarocks
01:20 celeron55 if the thing allows recursive dependencies, it's kind of unusable
01:21 celeron55 if it doesn't, then you could specify a hash of the package of the dependency and be fine
01:22 celeron55 i think you can't enforce that with anything, i think even rust's cargo will happily mess you up if the package you depend on by commit hash happens to depend on something without a hash
01:24 celeron55 no way to put it other than just don't use them
01:24 celeron55 and then, the next thing you do will probably be installing something using one of them
01:25 celeron55 this stuff is so messed up it's unthinkable
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01:32 rubenwardy lol
01:32 rubenwardy already getting issues
01:32 rubenwardy (using report only mode)
01:32 rubenwardy apparently my home page includes a data:image/png, but I can't see this in my source
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01:50 celeron55 rubenwardy: nice malware you've got there
01:50 rubenwardy lol
01:51 rubenwardy probably jquery
01:51 rubenwardy right???
01:52 celeron55 i don't see what's bad in a data:image/png though
01:52 celeron55 seems like the safest thing to exist on a page
01:52 rubenwardy you have to explicitly allow it
01:53 rubenwardy it's just odd
01:54 celeron55 just an incentive for people to use *
01:54 celeron55 so jquery can add some malware in the future
01:55 rubenwardy CSP doesn't work with adsense
01:55 rubenwardy as it has like 1000s of sites
01:55 celeron55 :D
01:55 celeron55 the web never ends
01:56 celeron55 put your ads in an iframe
01:59 celeron55 imagine if actual ATM machines were programmed in javascript
01:59 celeron55 wait, it's 2018; they probably are
01:59 celeron55 also, java has like 5 package managers
02:00 celeron55 so there's that for some banking fun
02:02 Megaf javascript is fine too
02:02 Megaf you can't blame a language for being insecure...
02:03 Megaf you can blame the guy who made the lib or people for using npm
02:05 celeron55 of course, but there are implications
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02:06 Megaf I personally refuse to use anything that is based/needs either node.js or npm. Simply because I always thought they are huge security risk
02:07 Megaf same reason I don't use PPAs, only official debian repos
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02:08 celeron55 it will be interesting to see how people cope with this
02:08 celeron55 my guess is, there's too much convenience to be lost so practically nobody does anything
02:10 celeron55 it probably isn't impossible to sneak malware into official debian packages either
02:11 Megaf very difficult to get on the main repo tho, easier on contrib I recon, but very hard in main
02:11 Megaf stable/main that is
02:12 celeron55 you'd have to go through their dependency trees, but yeah, possibly
02:12 Megaf it has to go first to experimental, get tested, then unstable, more testing, then testing, more testing, then stable. Unless they just hack and replace a package with malwhere
02:12 Megaf though there are checks like md5sums and so on performed every apt-get operation
02:12 celeron55 testing won't reveal malware
02:13 Megaf code revision will
02:13 Megaf you could always send a closed source malware firmware to the Linux tree tho
02:13 Megaf then you an get in firmware-linux-nonfree package...
02:14 Megaf if you have non-free repo enabled
02:14 celeron55 if there is a complete code review for every update of every package, then yes, it's difficult
02:14 celeron55 seems like something nobody has resources for, though
02:15 rubenwardy well, ladies and gentlemen, this is why you don't test on a live server: https://status.rubenwardy.com/
02:15 Megaf rubenwardy: blank page without JS
02:16 rubenwardy I don't care
02:16 rubenwardy it's an external service
02:16 rubenwardy uptimerobot.com
02:16 Megaf I noticed
02:16 Megaf anyway, what happened to you web servers?
02:17 Megaf your*
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02:19 * Megaf grabs a bottle of wine
02:19 rubenwardy ...and green
02:19 * rubenwardy sighs
02:19 * Megaf pours wine in a medieval bulgarian metal glass
02:20 rubenwardy muh uptime :'(
02:20 Shara Why bulgarian?
02:21 Megaf it was bought there
02:21 Shara And it's not a glass if it's metal :P
02:21 Megaf English...
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02:21 Shara :D
02:21 Shara Sorry, but I couldn't resist
02:22 Megaf I did the same joke to myself, mentally
02:22 benrob0329 *poof*
02:22 Megaf wb benrob0329
02:22 Shara hi benrob0329
02:22 * benrob0329 thinks about moving to Gitlab
02:22 benrob0329 open source for open source ftw
02:23 * Megaf uses self hosted Git
02:23 Megaf (open to the public)
02:23 Megaf git.megaf.info
02:23 benrob0329 Gitlab even has static page hosting, so my website can move as well
02:23 rubenwardy for future reference: https://i.rubenwardy.com/Hd6SuRXZYv.png
02:23 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/sIPGZxMyj5.png
02:24 rubenwardy at least the notifications work
02:30 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOl7P6fgZsA
02:30 Megaf !title
02:30 MinetestBot Megaf: Should You Pee On A Jellyfish Sting? Debunked - YouTube
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02:45 * Sokomine hands megaf a sunbathing squid so that he has a sea creature to enjoy
02:48 * benrob0329 moves website to gitlab
02:54 Megaf Oo
02:54 Megaf I dont know what to make of that Sokomine
02:55 benrob0329 rubenwardy: gitlab pages supports ssl and you can use CI integration to deploy site generators
02:56 rubenwardy oh nice
02:56 rubenwardy issue is I already have a massively complicated nginx config for my site
02:56 rubenwardy well, a bunch of redirects
02:56 rubenwardy but good to know
02:58 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I'm considering writing a small lua script for site generation
02:58 rubenwardy as in HTML generation?
02:58 rubenwardy like a static site generator?
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03:00 benrob0329 rubenwardy: yes
03:00 rubenwardy nice
03:00 benrob0329 considering, would need to learn gilab's CI better
03:00 tumeninodes an honest internet provider. (caution language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucFpDhuF98
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03:03 tumeninodes sofar, North America was a flop, will try again another day. Not sure what went wrong but, a much smaller map worked perfectly as usual
03:18 Megaf I like his shirt
03:19 rubenwardy nice
03:20 tumeninodes heh.... rant
03:23 tumeninodes I see about 50 shades of shadiness just in the background :P
03:23 benrob0329 heh
03:26 tumeninodes I like afterstep more
03:27 rubenwardy !g afterstep
03:27 rubenwardy g afterstep
03:27 rubenwardy ~g afterstep
03:27 ShadowBot rubenwardy: AfterStep - Welcome to the Official AfterStep website - Site dedicated to Development of the AfterStep Window Manager. Includes HTMLized sources, daily activity log, and TODOs. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fafterstep.org%2F>, AfterStep - Wikipedia - AfterStep is a stacking window manager for the X Window System. The goal of AfterStep's development is to provide for flexibility (6 more messages)
03:28 tumeninodes what the????
03:30 benrob0329 tumeninodes: but AwesomeWM uses Lua :PP
03:32 Megaf is this page working for you? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27/
03:33 rubenwardy http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27
03:33 Megaf lol, it works if I remove the last /
03:33 Megaf lol
03:33 rubenwardy sfan5, would be good to 300/301 ^
03:33 rubenwardy wait
03:33 rubenwardy *301/302
03:34 tumeninodes benrop, I actually did not know that
03:34 tumeninodes rop? *rob
03:35 tumeninodes I am sure Awesome has been worked on recently as well... which sadly afterstep probably has not
03:36 benrob0329 tumeninodes: feel free to take a look at my dotfiles if you want, I've fixed the formatting in my rc.lua :PP
03:37 benrob0329 I'll push the tardis mod onto gitlab for beta, once it's ready
03:38 tumeninodes nice
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03:59 rubenwardy yay, can confirm
03:59 rubenwardy > not HTTPS
03:59 rubenwardy :'(
03:59 rubenwardy not sure why it's so hard for github etc
03:59 rubenwardy other sites can manage getting letsencrypt certs for sites
04:00 rubenwardy eg, uptimerobot   status.rubenwardy.com
04:00 tumeninodes poke Linus
04:00 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I'd need to generate a cert manually
04:01 benrob0329 don't feel like doing that much work right now :P
04:01 rubenwardy oh, so it supports it if you provide
04:01 rubenwardy +it
04:01 rubenwardy no auto-renew sucks
04:01 benrob0329 but for free hosting with CI integration over git..
04:01 benrob0329 and you might be able to renew with CI
04:11 benrob0329 bbl
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06:34 * benrob0329 looks around
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08:30 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=19313
08:33 sofar actually
08:33 sofar https://mt2fa.foo-projects.org/
08:37 nerzhul sofar, it's nice but not for a distributed thing like MT, it's good for a centralized game
08:37 sofar I disagree
08:38 sofar it'll be great for players to be able to recover their passwords if they forget
08:38 nerzhul majority of our players are andriod, is the thing optional or mandatory for everyplayer on a server
08:38 sofar you didn't read
08:38 sofar shoo
08:38 sofar go read first
08:38 nerzhul sofar, it should be embedded in core then :p
08:38 sofar read first, then think, then discuss
08:38 sofar you didn't do the first 2 parts
08:39 sofar you can certainly do stuff like it in core
08:39 sofar anything is possible, really
08:40 sofar as I said earlier, nobody stops you from writing a "log in with facebook" button
08:40 sofar and no, this isn't intended for android players
08:40 sofar this is something for server owners first
08:41 sofar anyway, you know how I work - concept - design - implementation - rapid prototype - show & discuss - learn - revise & review -> the future!
08:42 sofar https://media.nngroup.com/media/editor/2016/07/​29/designthinking_illustration_final-01-01.png
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09:04 nerzhul sofar, it's a very good idea, i just said i don't know if it correctly applies to MT users
09:05 nerzhul in which language did you do this ? golang ?
09:05 sofar yes
09:05 sofar I'll post code tomorrow (mod/service)
09:05 sofar it's past my bedtime :)
09:10 nerzhul i like golang too :)
09:10 nerzhul i have an IRC/Slack/Command bot in microservice architecture mode with rabbitmq in golang, it's blazing fast to code and maintain
09:17 * sofar teeters out
10:04 nore hmmmmm, the mods/ page of minetest-mods.github.io is outdated, again
10:05 nore should we reopen https://github.com/minetest-mods/​minetest-mods.github.io/issues/48 ?
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11:33 shivajiva hehe I'm amused that without any source rnd thinks sofar may roll his own encryption and leave his own work vulnerable :)
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12:12 Fixer this whole js thing is waiting for disaster
12:12 Fixer or even security disaster
12:25 red-001 > doesn't post source
12:25 red-001 > untill I see the source
12:34 Fixer btw, hi
12:37 Fixer i've noticed some sites have really crappy js, that loads the page but then suddenly says xxxx xxx, erases everything back and demand js enabled, what a pricks
12:37 Calinou rubenwardy: GitHub Pages provides HTTPS, but only if not using a custom domain
12:37 Calinou if you use a custom domain, you cannot use trusted HTTPS on that domain, not even if you buy a certificatre
12:37 Calinou certificate*
12:37 Calinou (or use Let's Encrypt)
12:43 Fixer awkwardly, we have Christmas right now (it is old calendar thing)
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13:06 red-001 https://github.com/alphagov
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13:24 Megaf Good morning
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13:58 lisac Merry Christmas everyone!
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14:03 Krock Merry Christmas, weird calendar
14:06 Megaf oh yeah, it's today
14:06 Megaf Merry Christmas lisac
14:10 lisac :P
14:10 lisac thanks Megaf, Krock
14:10 Calinou hi :)
14:11 Calinou merry Christmas lisac
14:11 Fixer still funny
14:11 lisac hey Calinou, thanks :P
14:12 Fixer 13 day diff, celebrating of the same thing
14:14 Fixer damn, installed avast, boot time increased back to unacceptable :/
14:16 lisac Fixer: what would you need an AV for?
14:16 Fixer wincrap
14:16 Fixer just testing some AVs
14:16 Raven262 Merry Christmas everyone, again.
14:16 Fixer now trying avira
14:16 Fixer you too
14:16 lisac unless you download stuff from crap sites and have all your ports open, I doubt you really need it
14:16 Raven262 ^
14:16 Raven262 Lisac never got a virus this way.
14:16 Fixer i agree
14:16 lisac Raven, for example, does need it
14:16 Raven262 Yeah.
14:17 lisac he's a very trusting person
14:17 Raven262 And I use Avast, boot time is long, as you noticed on your device :P
14:17 lisac also, wanna check out my app, raven? http://the-actual-adware/download-now.exe
14:17 Raven262 I would click that link, I'm on linux.
14:18 lisac :P
14:18 lisac and fuck up your wine install
14:18 Raven262 Was hoping it was real though.
14:18 Raven262 Nah, too many wine versions and prefixes to destroy them all.
14:18 Raven262 (at once)
14:20 Fixer avira.systray.exe - 136 mb, holy crap
14:21 Raven262 For some reason, I got an impression that Avira is crap overall. But I have been using it a long time ago, on a very weak system.
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15:18 Megaf https://an-actual-mallware​.computer/wine_killer.exe
15:18 Megaf Don't click it!
15:23 red-001 1. way to get people to click
15:23 red-001 DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
15:52 rubenwardy just don't use windows
15:57 Lord_Buckethead <Lushnjaa> Hi
15:57 Lord_Buckethead * Lushnjaa has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
15:58 Lord_Buckethead I find this strangly annoying
16:16 rubenwardy yeah
16:16 rubenwardy <User> Hi
16:16 rubenwardy <User> ANYONE HERE????????
16:16 Shara Oh, "hi" is fine
16:16 rubenwardy * User has quit
16:16 Shara What I don't like is
16:16 Shara User: Shara
16:16 Shara User: Shara
16:16 Shara Me: What do you want?
16:16 Shara User: Shara
16:17 Shara Me: Yes?
16:17 Shara User: SHARA!!!
16:17 Shara Then.. they quit
16:17 rubenwardy BRB, making a bot to automate that
16:17 Shara :D
16:17 Shara I get at least one of these every day
16:18 rubenwardy It would be so easy to SDoS a server
16:18 Shara Baaad rubenwardy
16:18 Shara :)
16:18 rubenwardy spamming is harder as you'd need to implement most of the hand shake protocol
16:20 Shara I simply suspect all those of us who run servers must be insane.
16:20 rubenwardy I'm not insane
16:20 rubenwardy I simply neglect my server
16:20 VanessaE no' we're just a little nuts, Shara
16:20 Shara Ruben, you are a developer here.
16:21 Shara You are definitely insane
16:21 rubenwardy ah, true
16:21 VanessaE haha
16:21 Shara VanessaE: Any doughnuts on offer with those nuts?
16:21 VanessaE nope
16:21 VanessaE all out
16:21 Shara :(
16:21 Lord_Buckethead Shara, just seems a kinda pointless to open a pm window just for that
16:22 rubenwardy I honestly stresses me a little that doughnuts is doughnuts not doughnoughts
16:22 Shara Buckethead, since I am not the one who opens them, well, yes?
16:22 VanessaE rubenwardy: and we spell them "donuts" here :P
16:22 * rubenwardy cringes
16:23 Shara :D
16:23 Lord_Buckethead dunuts
16:24 Shara Don't know. We don't want rubenwardy to drop dead on us
16:25 VanessaE he's already having convulsions
16:26 VanessaE he must be thinking of all the other Americanized short forms
16:26 VanessaE see?
16:26 Lord_Buckethead well I guess we list that as "Operator Error"?
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16:27 VanessaE rheh
16:27 VanessaE heh
16:27 VanessaE like drive-thru :)
16:35 IhrFussel Does format return a string or INT if I give it an INT as argument?
16:36 IhrFussel local avglag = ("%.3f"):format(lastval) <<
16:39 rubenwardy string
16:39 rubenwardy format is always a string
16:40 rubenwardy that format means that I'll make a string with lastval written as a decimal to 3DP
16:40 rubenwardy so if lastval is 5, it'll return  "5.000"
16:40 rubenwardy I think
16:41 rubenwardy for an integer, you can use   %d.    However, you might as well use string concatenation in that case
16:42 IhrFussel I just need to use the result in an if statement so I wasn't sure if I should do if avglag == "blah" or just if avglag == blah
16:43 IhrFussel If it's a string I wonder why print(avglag+1) works ... is lua like Bash and also accepts a string for math functions?
16:44 rubenwardy probably implicitly casts to a number
16:47 IhrFussel Makes sense thanks^^
16:47 Lord_Buckethead type coercion
16:52 VanessaE rubenwardy: it does, but only if the string is a simple number.  if avglag were itself an expression, it'll become 0 I believe.
16:52 rubenwardy you can't store expressions
16:52 rubenwardy expressions are evaluated on assignment
16:52 VanessaE nono
16:53 VanessaE if avglag were a string storing an expression
16:59 Sokomine Shara: oh yes. i know that strange behaviour from servers as well. wonder why they don't manage to say what they really want. perhaps extremly young? 3-4 years old or so?
16:59 Shara No idea
17:00 Shara I've even had it on servers where I don't actively help out and just happen to be in the IRC channel or similar in the past
17:01 Shara And it's been PMs, or in game private messages, as well as just on server chat
17:02 Shara Of course, in the future I'm always going to assume it's rubenwardy being silly :)
17:02 Sokomine Shara: strange. but not uniq at all
17:02 rubenwardy huh
17:02 rubenwardy que
17:02 Shara :D
17:02 rubenwardy Je ne comprez pa
17:02 Sokomine perhaps the aliveai npc escaped onto your server
17:02 rubenwardy *pas
17:03 Sokomine rubenwardy: you remind me of something. now that i've added localization to travelnets - some other languages would be good. perhaps french and portugese
17:04 rubenwardy it would be great to have a rosetta code for server rules
17:04 Sokomine that, too. most larger servers go by adding signs in diffrent languages
17:04 Shara RC has a library with books that list rule sin multiple languages, but the signs only have the two official languages
17:04 Shara rules in*
17:04 rubenwardy yeah, just means that they can do that
17:05 Shara It's dificult to make something an official server language unless I at least partly speak it
17:05 Shara And too many signs in one place isnt always good
17:06 Sokomine probably no point in official server language at all unless the majority of players speak both
17:07 Sokomine i've wished for such a rosetta stone/library for more languages for some time as well. it might also be used in the server menu where people might choose according to what the rules say. pvp-related rules, griefing rules, language related things (directly and indirectly), youtube recording and the like
17:09 Shara Well, I've had a lot of german language speakers at various points, though I seem to have lost them for the moment
17:10 Shara One of my admins more or less learned at least basic/conversational german just to be able to speak to them
17:10 rubenwardy my top languages are: English, French, Russian, Spanish, Italian
17:11 Lord_Buckethead Shara, thats some dedication
17:12 Shara Yes.
17:13 rubenwardy needs a pay raise
17:13 Krock needs a praise
17:14 benrob0329 My top languages are: English, Lua
17:14 Lord_Buckethead "Minetest moderator gets a pay raise, human rights activists praise the move"
17:14 benrob0329 Lol
17:15 Krock HTML is my favourite programming language and England is my city
17:16 * Lord_Buckethead presses that big red button
17:16 benrob0329 Lord_Buckethead: but someone would complain that all moderators should get a pay raise, or none should get one
17:20 rubenwardy reminds me of why we'll never get paid developers
17:26 * Sokomine hands Lord_Buckethead a mese crystal fragment as pay raise
17:26 Sokomine (on a creative server)
17:33 Sokomine sadly there isn't more. you have to build your own reward - no matter on which level :-)
17:37 Shara And server owners pay instead of get paid :)
17:38 IhrFussel Someone joins my server and acts like a drama queen "nobody wants to join my server" ... somebody else asked what the server name is "it's not on the server list" ... like really?
17:39 Shara Heh.
17:40 IhrFussel What a surprise that nobody wants to type down an IP and port number instead of choosing from the server list (not)
17:41 IhrFussel Especially when copy+paste is broken (at least on Ubuntu)
17:41 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, maybe it was OC after getting blacklisted
17:43 VanessaE haha
17:44 benrob0329 Someone made a patch for MTG so that ingots are in groups
17:44 benrob0329 That way you don't have to depend on Default's ingots, but rather whatever equivalent exists
17:45 benrob0329 sofar, paramat is he was here, would this be wanted?
17:45 benrob0329 Before I adopt it since she doesnt have a Github account
17:47 IhrFussel Umm... ~ 1 hour ago I had some random name player say "MINECRAFT" in the chat and just now another random name player said the same... not sure if those are really humans o.o
17:48 benrob0329 rubenwardy: are you an MTG dev? I can't remember anymore...
17:48 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, whats with the two servers?
17:49 Shara benrob0329: just check credits tab in game? :P
17:49 Lord_Buckethead we don't split the credits between game and non-gamew
17:50 Shara ahh, missed MTG part sorry
17:50 Shara but he is
17:50 * Lord_Buckethead remebers all the controversy about the credits
17:52 IhrFussel False alarm...it's the same IP, just 2 different apps I guess... The fact that many clone apps just give them random names is so confusing ... Lord_Buckethead, not sure what you mean regarding "servers"
17:52 Lord_Buckethead two servers are on the server list with your name on them
17:52 Lord_Buckethead old and 2018
17:52 Shara Well, it would be nice if https://www.minetest.net/credits/ matched what the credits tab in game says too
17:53 Lord_Buckethead well a github commentator said the repo is dead so I guess it can't happen
17:53 Shara dead?
17:53 rubenwardy what repo?
17:53 IhrFussel The (Old) one just tells the players that we moved to a new IP on connect
17:54 rubenwardy you shouldn't announce the old one
17:54 rubenwardy if you still are
17:56 IhrFussel True I could remove it from the list at least
17:57 rubenwardy also, anyone that has patreon should consider liberapay
17:57 rubenwardy no fees, and FOSS
17:57 Lord_Buckethead rubenwardy, I was refering to web#110
17:57 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/m​inetest.github.io/issues/110 -- Does anyone care about this webpage at all?
17:58 benrob0329 Librepay 👌
17:58 rubenwardy everyone that complains about the website obviously doesn't care enough either
17:59 Megaf 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB, 1.4 MiB) copied, 125.177 s, 11.8 kB/s
17:59 IhrFussel Fixed
17:59 Megaf cant believe we all sued floppies and for us it was just normal its speed
18:00 rubenwardy *sold?
18:02 IhrFussel Megaf, I recently watched an old German ad about internet ... it's about a seller and a customer seller: "get now up to 64,000 bit/s" customer: "how fast is that" seller: "*turns head from left to right and says* wooooosh" customer: "*smiles*"
18:02 Megaf hah
18:03 Megaf and now Im loading a whole OS from teh flooppy
18:03 Megaf done, loaded
18:04 VanessaE that's why we were okay with them :)
18:05 IhrFussel Guys was that just a German thing or did they sing WAYYYY more in ads between 1980-1995 ?
18:06 VanessaE maybe they were glacial compared to today, but the programs were so small that it didn't matter too much, and if your system was any good, there were shortcuts the software could take to make the load times seem particularly short
18:06 VanessaE IhrFussel: they did.
18:06 VanessaE jingles, we call 'em here
18:07 IhrFussel I wonder what caused that to change then... maybe just different generation?
18:07 VanessaE hard to say
18:07 VanessaE costs most likely
18:08 Megaf I remember installing Windows 3.11 with its all 7 floppys, 9 in total for optional packages
18:08 VanessaE IhrFussel: surely it's cheaper to make an ad with instrumental music, maybe even some prepackaged song like some 50's or 60's "oldies" pop song, than it is to pay a professional singer to record a new tune
18:08 Megaf or DOS 4 from its 3 floppies
18:08 Megaf good times
18:09 Megaf things just worked, all you needed was knowing how to set your IRQs
18:09 VanessaE Megaf: or running GEOS directly from two 165k floppies (using two drives) :)
18:10 Megaf hah, that too, though I liked the DOS 4 graphical environment most
18:10 Megaf dont remember the name now
18:10 Megaf it was part of DOS, and you had a mouse
18:10 VanessaE dosshell
18:10 Megaf it was graphical interface
18:10 VanessaE I think
18:10 Megaf dosshel! Yes!@
18:10 Megaf When I discovered it I just couldnt see any use for Windows 3 anymore
18:10 Megaf since a lot of the apps I was running, and games, were DOS
18:11 Megaf that on a 386 SX with 4 MB of RAM
18:11 Megaf and 40 MB HDD
18:11 VanessaE blah
18:11 Megaf whopping 33 MHz
18:12 VanessaE I'm talking older here - 8 bit era, C64 at 1.0227 MHz, no HDD, 64k of RAM, serial-interfaced single-side floppy :)
18:12 Megaf The oldest thing I used was an Apple II clone
18:12 Megaf with a sngle serial interface
18:12 VanessaE same era.
18:12 Megaf maybe I could connect a cassete to it
18:13 Megaf but they were too expensive
18:13 VanessaE basically equivalent in CPU power anyway
18:13 Megaf so I would just boot it up, write some basic, run it, then all was lost when shutting down
18:13 Megaf amazing times
18:13 Megaf :P
18:16 shivajiva lol first computer I ever got my hands on was a ZX80 1KB ram, 4KB ROM
18:16 shivajiva £80 self build
18:17 Megaf hah
18:18 shivajiva oh and a Commodore Pet in school for CS
18:18 Megaf first ever computer I touched was a MSX type
18:18 Megaf in school :)
18:18 Megaf the 386 was a neighbours comuter
18:18 shivajiva Konami cartridges....menesis :)
18:18 shivajiva *nemesis
18:19 Megaf thinking about trying this out http://www.linfo.org/mulinux.html
18:19 shivajiva Atari ST was a long way forward from those days
18:20 VanessaE shivajiva:  my first was a Timex-Sinclair 1000, basically a ZX81 with 2k
18:21 shivajiva heh nice, twice the memory lol
18:21 shivajiva I kept my zx81 and spectrum for some reason
18:22 VanessaE I had the 16k RAM expansion for it :)
18:22 shivajiva wow and a joystick no doubt :)
18:23 shivajiva the ram epansion had a pass thru didn't it?
18:23 VanessaE nope, and nope
18:23 shivajiva what am I thinking of with a pass thru?
18:23 VanessaE idk
18:24 VanessaE TS1000 didn't support joysticks, at least not in its base state
18:24 shivajiva maybe it was the Kensington joystick interface
18:24 VanessaE could be
18:26 shivajiva I have to say I preferred the 6502 cpu to the Z80 back in the day
18:27 shivajiva video memory was weird on the sinclair offerings
18:28 shivajiva split across 2 pages as I recall
18:28 shivajiva upper and lower screen...nasty
18:30 VanessaE I never really learned to code until I got a C64 in 1986
18:31 shivajiva you didn't miss much :D
18:39 rubenwardy any good weather mods?
18:39 Shara snowdrift seems to be the best around
18:39 Shara Please let me know if you find a better one
18:39 IhrFussel Did the alpha textures bug always exist? (disappearing layers when you look at them from a certain angle)
18:39 rubenwardy got that, any more?
18:39 Shara What are you aiming for?
18:40 * Shara needs to make a weather mod at some point.... and is scared of this
18:40 rubenwardy minetest.net/customize
18:40 rubenwardy I have space for one more mod in "environment"
18:41 IhrFussel !mod weather_pack
18:41 MinetestBot IhrFussel: weather_pack 0.3 by xeranas - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14539
18:41 Shara sofar's lightning mod?
18:41 IhrFussel I use that one
18:41 rubenwardy got that
18:41 rubenwardy will check out weather pack
18:42 IhrFussel weather_pack is basically an API...you can easily add more weather types
18:42 Shara It's hard to suggest things without knowing what you have yet :P
18:42 Shara Fussel, hmm, how easy?
18:42 rubenwardy will make a PR soon, heh
18:43 Shara I need a weather mod for a subgame, but I've been thinking of using snowdrift as a base for it so far
18:44 Shara Why does coloured clay on that page point to the topic of some guy who just randomly forked Ten's mod?
18:45 rubenwardy err
18:45 rubenwardy https://rubenwardy.com/min​etest.github.io/customize/
18:45 Shara He literall yjust changed Ten's recipe, then he gets recommended on the official page instead of Ten's version? :D
18:45 rubenwardy CSS  doesn't work for some reason
18:45 IhrFussel Well it#s not *that* easy but you could simply copy rain.lua and just replace it with what you want to play/display/happen
18:46 rubenwardy baked clay is a silly name
18:46 rubenwardy baked clay is pottery
18:46 rubenwardy not colored clay
18:46 Shara It's still totally unfair to recommend a fork of the mod and not the actual mod
18:46 rubenwardy yeah, already changed
18:46 Shara Thank you
18:46 rubenwardy also it kind make sense are you harden the clat
18:46 rubenwardy *clay
18:48 Shara For mapgen, maybe adding one of the space mods would be good? There are a fair few
18:48 rubenwardy it's all nicely lines up though
18:48 Shara Okay, just an idea
18:48 rubenwardy all the lists have the same number of items
18:48 rubenwardy hmmm
18:49 rubenwardy page is supposed to look like this: https://i.rubenwardy.com/DFXvld4NOH.png
18:50 Shara That looks good
18:50 Krock rubenwardy, do you know how the PRs are handled in minetest-mods? To me it looks like authors (previous owners of the repo) may merge/push them any time
18:50 rubenwardy yeah
18:50 Shara Tools and Inventory sections could have more though?
18:50 rubenwardy the previous owner has full control, and can decide
18:51 rubenwardy Shara, yeah, if you have any ideas
18:51 Krock alright, thanks.
18:51 Shara What about tool ranks mod?
18:51 rubenwardy so they can add people and give them access
18:51 rubenwardy oh nice
18:51 Shara Inventory... bags?
18:52 rubenwardy which one?
18:52 Shara That could be worth linking since more space is a commonly wanted thing
18:52 Shara I'd say Ten's one since it's what I use, but I don't know if there is better
18:52 Shara I can't really judge since I only tried that one
18:52 rubenwardy ten's isn't showing up in mod search
18:53 Shara https://github.com/tenplus1/bags
18:53 Shara That's what I use anyway
18:53 Shara apparently it was originally cornernote's mod
18:53 shivajiva https://github.com/bousket/unified_inventory_plus
18:54 rubenwardy he needs a forum topic
18:54 shivajiva small addon
18:54 Shara Could go with this then, but I don't know if it's maintained: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bags
18:55 Shara But that seems to have been what Ten's mod was based on
18:56 Shara rubenwardy: also you have travelnet twice
18:56 rubenwardy huh
18:56 Shara So you need another for transport
18:56 rubenwardy oh, so I do
18:56 Shara :P
18:56 rubenwardy I know just the mod
18:56 Krock travelnet here travelnet there travelnet everywhere
18:56 rubenwardy well, it's kinda pointless to have one travelnet
18:57 rubenwardy you need to have at least 2 for it to work
18:57 Krock listing it twice makes sense then
18:58 VanessaE unified inventory has bags...
18:58 rubenwardy besides the point
18:58 Shara Other inventories don't.
18:59 VanessaE there's any other kind? :)
18:59 Shara :P
18:59 Shara I was shocked too.
18:59 rubenwardy sfinv master race!
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18:59 VanessaE flabbergasted, I tells ya
19:00 rubenwardy UI would be considerably better if you used a nice background and icon set, and fixed the margins
19:00 VanessaE don't look at me, I don't maintain it
19:00 rubenwardy and also the lag in the creative inventory, no sure if that's Minetest's fault
19:00 Krock please not yet another 1024px HD texture :<
19:00 VanessaE the lag is minetest's fault
19:00 * Shara mutters something about slots per page in sfinv creative inventory and then finds a stone to hide under
19:00 VanessaE because pre-rendering is no longer possiblr
19:01 VanessaE e*
19:01 rubenwardy it really shouldn't lag
19:01 rubenwardy like, there's something iffy in minetest there
19:01 VanessaE can't be helped, minetest doesn't generate item/inventory images until you try to use one.
19:02 Shara It's not so much a delay in seeing them that bothers me.. it's the weird flickery effect
19:02 rubenwardy yeah, that
19:02 IhrFussel VanessaE, that would explain why some clients crash right after they open the inventory
19:02 VanessaE remember we had a feature at one time, I forget what it was called, that pre-renders all item/inv images at startup
19:02 rubenwardy if the icons took a while to appear, that would be fine
19:02 Shara Like it quickly switches between two pages loads of times
19:02 rubenwardy but the whole inventory flashes
19:02 VanessaE the flickering is also MT's fault
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19:02 VanessaE it misuses irrlicht
19:02 Shara I've noticed inv plus now does it as well sometimes
19:03 Sokomine Shara: there was a server for a short time that had seasons and extensive weather. i don't remember exactly which mods it used. has been a while now
19:03 VanessaE every inventory mod that has large pages will do it.
19:03 Shara Is there any way to make the images show up a few at a time with short delays between them in order to prevent it?
19:04 VanessaE especially if you use a high-rez texture pack
19:04 Shara Like show half, tiny delay, then other half
19:04 VanessaE Shara: engine changes
19:04 Shara Guuuh MT really
19:04 Sokomine colored clay in whatever variant ought to use hardware coloring anyway. that works pretty fine so far
19:04 Shara The larger inv pages are a necccessity on my creative server
19:05 VanessaE Sokomine: unified bricks mod
19:05 Shara But it drives me mad
19:05 rubenwardy I tend to just use the search
19:06 rubenwardy so don't need a larger inv
19:06 Sokomine VanessaE: unified_inventory is indeed very nice. took me some time to get accustomed to it on your server, but now i don't want to miss it anywhere
19:06 Shara To effectively use search you must first know what is likely to be available... and that means looking
19:07 IhrFussel Sokomine, Is this the seasons mod you meant? https://github.com/maikerumine/mt_seasons
19:07 Sokomine rubenwardy: ui doesn't lag for me. other mods do. in general all that requires sending a new formspec from the server does lag to some degree. short click paths are of high value. ui presents most in the initial formspec
19:08 Sokomine VanessaE: ah yes, that flickering. havn't seen that for a long time. i think that's fixed?
19:09 VanessaE not for some people apparently.
19:10 Sokomine VanessaE: hm, does it come with clay as such? afaik it just had those nice brick blocks and clay lumps
19:10 VanessaE for me, there is a brief flicker from page to page
19:10 VanessaE but not consistently
19:10 VanessaE most of the time, I don't see it
19:11 Sokomine IhrFussel: i don't remember. it was a server that run for a few days/weeks. took some time for it to change from summer to winter. days, in effect
19:11 Shara I always wanted to do something with seasons but seems over the top really.
19:12 Sokomine VanessaE: mostly it's annoying to have to wait a tiny period of time for the new page to appear. it's a small delay but noticeable. perhaps your connection and hardware are faster so that it looks like flickering :-)
19:12 Shara Going to have enough work pulling off everything I hope for weather by itself.
19:13 Sokomine Shara: *nod* too many things that can be done. too few time to do all
19:15 rubenwardy well, I am thankful to UI for existing
19:16 rubenwardy persuaded me to write an inv mod with a nice API
19:16 rubenwardy also, https://i.rubenwardy.com/mHEL6Ro91g.png
19:17 rubenwardy web#111
19:17 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/m​inetest.github.io/issues/111 -- Update customize page by rubenwardy
19:20 Sokomine :-)
19:22 VanessaE \o/
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19:50 Fixer i'm back
19:50 Fixer doing AV tests, kinda sad
19:51 Fixer boot time increase is ridiculous, up to 1minute
19:55 benrob0329 Why do ShadowBot's messages always ping me?
19:56 benrob0329 Like, I get a notification whenever it posts
19:56 sfan5 because your client is stupid
19:56 sfan5 channels notifications should not ping you
19:56 sfan5 -s
19:56 benrob0329 Most mobile clients are
19:56 rubenwardy doesn't on the ones I use
19:57 rubenwardy channel notices are to stop bots from interferring which each other
19:57 benrob0329 There we go, channel notice notifications turned off
19:58 benrob0329 But before I adopt this patch, any interest in group:steel_ingot?
19:59 benrob0329 And the like
19:59 paramat open an issue to discuss?
20:00 paramat an issue gives us more information
20:01 paramat more people will see it
20:01 Lord_Buckethead benrob0329, I can see the use in it
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20:31 benrob0329 paramat: will do, creator does not have a Github account
20:36 rubenwardy https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/949718143​387107328/pu/vid/640x360/gzeekTWwXTfI9yEk.mp4
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20:46 Fixer hmm, both avira and avast has shitty and confusing UI, both double boot time, avira can't even add rightclick menu item properly, what a cl-ck
20:49 benrob0329 Fixer: Windows comes with antivirus since 8
20:49 Fixer benrob0329: it is even worse
20:50 benrob0329 So you trust MS for your operating system, but not to make it secure?
20:50 benrob0329 🤔
20:51 benrob0329 I think that says more about the state of Windows than I ever could
20:51 Fixer why on earth Intel wrote this fucking IAStorDataMgrSvc in .NET that loads that bloated .NET during startup raping my HDD in the process? it is fucking one window...
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21:21 paramat language :)
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21:28 Lord_Buckethead sofar, the knowing what server you are login onto issue could be solved by having the server generate a public private key pair and confirming that it has it during login
21:28 Lord_Buckethead would also be useful for server supplied csm and a password manager
21:30 Lord_Buckethead paramat, since this is a breaking release do you think it would be possible to switch to a system were the player is identified by an id and not thier login?
21:38 paramat no idea, i'm no expert on that part of MT
21:39 rubenwardy that won't be possible
21:39 rubenwardy we're not breaking mods
21:39 rubenwardy only networking
21:39 Lord_Buckethead yeah ok
21:39 rubenwardy and worlds with a update script
21:39 rubenwardy well, we're breaking a minimal amount of mods were absolutely necessary
21:39 rubenwardy ie: to fix bugs
21:39 Lord_Buckethead would be pretty close to impossible to do that without breaking mods
21:41 Lord_Buckethead shivajiva, it's rnd what did you expect?
21:42 paramat Lord_Buckethead were you known here by a different username before now? i'm wondering if i'm already familiar with you :) are you LordFingle?
21:43 Lord_Buckethead paramat, /whois
21:43 paramat ok
21:43 Lord_Buckethead shows you I'm logged in as red-001
21:43 paramat lol
21:44 paramat i see
21:44 Lord_Buckethead added the nick to my account shortly after the elections because I couldn't believe no-one took it yet
22:46 aerozoic rubenwardy, which mods? Any big ones?
22:47 rubenwardy player model related
22:47 rubenwardy so stuff like 3D armor
22:47 rubenwardy it's an easy fix though
22:47 aerozoic ok
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23:35 * benrob0329 considers switching to the ISC license
23:36 benrob0329 sofar: the "provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies." Implies the same thing as give credit, even in the binaries, correct?
23:38 sofar I interpret it as "the source code or derivatives"
23:49 benrob0329 sofar: a binary is a source code derivative
23:50 benrob0329 Converted to machine code, but a derivative none the less
23:50 sofar don't care
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