| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Megaf |
paramat: what about Rogers PRs? |
| 00:00 |
paramat |
mostly neglected by author |
| 00:00 |
rubenwardy |
I will note that I do like SN's changes, just not how they are presented |
| 00:01 |
Megaf |
neglected? He waited for several years |
| 00:01 |
Megaf |
is Roger his name? |
| 00:01 |
Megaf |
lemme check |
| 00:01 |
rubenwardy |
Rogier-5 |
| 00:02 |
Megaf |
ok |
| 00:02 |
Megaf |
red-001 himself have some very interesting PRs that I don't see getting merged soon |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: you have trivial PRs that were not merged yet either |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
we have good coders and good PRs |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
but more times is being put in other stuff |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
#6882 |
| 00:03 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6882 -- Fix naming conventions of noise userdata by rubenwardy |
| 00:03 |
Megaf |
just merge it |
| 00:04 |
paramat |
nooo, when i say 'neglected' i mean we are waiting for author action, and not rebase because we understand that rebasing while no reviews are happening is irritating |
| 00:04 |
Megaf |
#6883 there shouldnt be a need for this PR, |
| 00:04 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6883 -- Convert Lua vectors into a proper Lua class by rubenwardy |
| 00:04 |
paramat |
we are waiting on red for action on many of their PRs |
| 00:04 |
Megaf |
#6825 could be merged too |
| 00:04 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker |
| 00:04 |
Megaf |
and so on |
| 00:04 |
paramat |
6882 is trivial enough +1 |
| 00:05 |
Megaf |
numberZero has been doing a good work too. Just not very good style yet, but he is learning |
| 00:05 |
red-001 |
whats the discussion about? |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
6825 has no review or approval yet, you want quality right? =) |
| 00:06 |
red-001 |
#6825 |
| 00:06 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker |
| 00:06 |
Megaf |
paramat: but then that I dont want good PRs dying |
| 00:07 |
Megaf |
paramat: by the way, thank you so much for all the time you have been puting in Minetest dev lately |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
then complain to the authors to work on them |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
heheh |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
thanks you |
| 00:08 |
Megaf |
I'm not attacking anyone personally, I want to make that very clear. I like all of you. I just think we can make an even better job in Minetest, specially with the growing community we have |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
Megaf; start helping out with PRs/testing then please |
| 00:08 |
paramat |
maybe pay us a wage to review PRs, reviewing is hard and often boring, so we have to balance it against stuff we enjoy |
| 00:08 |
rubenwardy |
we need another Fixer |
| 00:08 |
rubenwardy |
lol, what have I done! |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
Quality will go up if more people step forward to test things |
| 00:08 |
Megaf |
Shara: I was doing that before you even met MT :P |
| 00:08 |
rubenwardy |
we'll need another two now! |
| 00:08 |
Shara |
You lost us our Fixer :( |
| 00:08 |
paramat |
also, it's open source, so number of contributions is always too large for the limited dev time we have |
| 00:09 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: you forgot to block the exit :-) |
| 00:09 |
Shara |
paramat: that sounds like a "need more devs" to me :P |
| 00:09 |
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| 00:09 |
rubenwardy |
if you can compile, test visible changes such as player or API related changes extensively |
| 00:09 |
Megaf |
what happened to Fixer? |
| 00:09 |
sofar |
Connection reset by peer |
| 00:09 |
rubenwardy |
and make sure to say what you tested (like, what you actually did) |
| 00:11 |
Megaf |
I suggest stuff myself, stuff easy to implement. Like this #4564 |
| 00:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4564 -- [Request] Make client timeout if RTT < 0. |
| 00:11 |
Megaf |
and the frustration comes when a feature or bugfix wont happen in 0.4 but only in 0.5 |
| 00:13 |
Shara |
bugfixes are actually getting added to backports branch |
| 00:13 |
Megaf |
that |
| 00:13 |
Megaf |
that's a recent thing |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
Yes, but shows such concerns are listened to |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:16 |
rubenwardy |
wb Fixer |
| 00:16 |
paramat |
if something can only be added in 0.5 there is a good reason, compatibility breakage |
| 00:17 |
Megaf |
how is the migration of players to sqlite going? |
| 00:17 |
sofar |
done? |
| 00:17 |
Megaf |
the tool had a bug, has it been sorted out? |
| 00:17 |
red-001 |
paramat, tbh you do take the whole keep it simple thing a bit far |
| 00:17 |
* Megaf |
appreciates KISS |
| 00:17 |
Megaf |
mostly because ADHD |
| 00:17 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 00:18 |
* Shara |
wants to see more stuff in MTG |
| 00:18 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: max_lag=0.432494 |
| 00:18 |
Megaf |
one player mininig |
| 00:20 |
paramat |
well i just have opinions and see some things as unnecessary, diagreement is inevitable ;) |
| 00:21 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, max_lag 0.28 with 10 players ... but the CPU in this machine is just good |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
ty |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
have you looked into mt performance after meltdown update? |
| 00:22 |
* rubenwardy |
kills CLion |
| 00:22 |
rubenwardy |
relevant: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/news/announcements/132642-epic-services-stability-update |
| 00:23 |
sofar |
could be any reason |
| 00:23 |
sofar |
could be their hoster put more customers on the same node |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
(spot the Intel employee) |
| 00:24 |
sofar |
look |
| 00:24 |
sofar |
they have 3 nodes |
| 00:24 |
sofar |
only one went up |
| 00:24 |
rubenwardy |
maybe only one got the update? |
| 00:24 |
Fixer |
btw |
| 00:24 |
rubenwardy |
that's how I read it |
| 00:24 |
Shara |
How I read it too |
| 00:24 |
Fixer |
on linux forum i've seen reports of nearly doubling workload since meltdown update, redhat server |
| 00:25 |
Megaf |
I should migrate my VPS and dedicated to old Opterons... |
| 00:26 |
sofar |
it's possible |
| 00:26 |
sofar |
it's also possible anecdotal |
| 00:26 |
sofar |
"stability update" -> posts performance data |
| 00:27 |
sofar |
don't get me wrong, the regression is horrendous, if it's really ~30% |
| 00:27 |
Megaf |
#6784 that's already a feature in 0.4, it's just hte tool to migrate exising to database that is broken |
| 00:27 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6784 -- Store auth in sqlite db. |
| 00:27 |
Megaf |
how come it had been pushed to 0.5? |
| 00:27 |
sofar |
but given the public available data, I'm doubtful |
| 00:28 |
Megaf |
I know I'm somehow mistaken. Making confusion about 7684 |
| 00:28 |
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| 00:28 |
Megaf |
we have a lumber j, a lazy j, a mega f. Cool! |
| 00:29 |
Megaf |
lumberJ: you need to be logged to nickserv to talk here |
| 00:29 |
Megaf |
MarisaG: same to you ^ |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
he is |
| 00:29 |
Megaf |
[22:28:04] --> lumberJ (~lumberJui 96-37-222-205.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #minetest-hub |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
you can't join this channel without being logged in |
| 00:29 |
Megaf |
he wasnt when he joined |
| 00:29 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I believe you can |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
that doesn't prove anything |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
* [lumberJ] is logged in as lumberJuice |
| 00:29 |
rubenwardy |
you can't, this channel has +r |
| 00:30 |
rubenwardy |
(this was done last week) |
| 00:30 |
Megaf |
aha |
| 00:30 |
Megaf |
so we need to add him to the voice list |
| 00:30 |
Shara |
People who want voice should poke an op |
| 00:31 |
Megaf |
lumberJ: MarisaG: poke an op here to get voice. |
| 00:31 |
Megaf |
if poking Shara I'd suggest using a long stick |
| 00:31 |
IhrFussel |
Ubuntu didn't release the patches yet by the way and my server uses Ubuntu |
| 00:32 |
* Megaf |
is not afraid of death |
| 00:32 |
IhrFussel |
They say they try to get them out before Jan 09 but can't promise it |
| 00:32 |
Fixer |
zabbix server under xen (whatever that is), loadavg doubled |
| 00:32 |
Megaf |
let me check status in Debian |
| 00:33 |
IhrFussel |
xen is a VM software like KVM AFAIK |
| 00:33 |
Shara |
Megaf: No stick is long enough :) |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886367 |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:34 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: #886367 - intel-microcode: coming updates for meltdown/spectre - Debian Bug report logs |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
Shara: in my server we have stone sticks |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
so, they hurt more |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
if needed for self defence |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
defense |
| 00:35 |
sofar |
Xen = VT |
| 00:35 |
lumberJ |
Megaf now we just need a killerB |
| 00:37 |
rubenwardy |
> stone sticks |
| 00:37 |
rubenwardy |
> STONE sticks |
| 00:38 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: you stonned? |
| 00:38 |
Megaf |
broh |
| 00:38 |
* Megaf |
runs |
| 00:38 |
rubenwardy |
what even is a stone stick supposed to be? |
| 00:39 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: it's just like a normal stick, but made from cobble, isntead of planks |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
so when you are mining, if you run out of wood to make planks to make tools, you can use your cobble |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
Not sure if this mod still active tho |
| 00:41 |
rubenwardy |
so you just take some stone and squash it into a stick? |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10849 |
| 00:41 |
rubenwardy |
sounds impractical |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:41 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Quality Assurance measures - Minetest Forums |
| 00:41 |
rubenwardy |
surely it would fall apart |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: It's not active anymore |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
I agreee |
| 00:41 |
Shara |
Tool with cobble handle... |
| 00:42 |
Shara |
Hit something with tool... |
| 00:42 |
Shara |
Handle breaks? |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9682 |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:42 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Base issues and missing features - Minetest Forums |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
many nice topics |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy is in all of them |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12494 |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 00:44 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Minetest UI en menu look - Minetest Forums |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: you are not htere ^ |
| 00:45 |
rubenwardy |
heh, had nothing to add I guess |
| 00:45 |
rubenwardy |
remember that topic though |
| 00:46 |
rubenwardy |
Kenney is cool, I use his resources for one of my (non-MT) games |
| 00:46 |
rubenwardy |
it is very sad indeed that we couldn't keep him |
| 00:48 |
Calinou |
He was not always a good citizen. But he was an artist! And as all artists, he shall not be forgiven. |
| 00:56 |
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| 01:03 |
celeron55 |
https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5 |
| 01:04 |
celeron55 |
how 'bout some web security |
| 01:07 |
sofar |
node == death |
| 01:08 |
sofar |
(Using this method, I took over Trump’s Twitter account and started sending out all sorts of weird shit. As yet no one has noticed.) |
| 01:08 |
sofar |
LMAO |
| 01:10 |
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| 01:10 |
rubenwardy |
I like report-uri.com, it requires 16+ character passwords |
| 01:10 |
Fixer |
wat? |
| 01:10 |
redblade7 |
hi |
| 01:12 |
red-001 |
sofar, holy shit you weren't kidding, how did anyone not notice you got the presidents account? |
| 01:12 |
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| 01:12 |
sofar |
that was a quote of the linked article |
| 01:12 |
celeron55 |
node.js is actually fine |
| 01:13 |
celeron55 |
it's npm that isn't |
| 01:13 |
red-001 |
oh I thought it was an orginal joke |
| 01:13 |
sofar |
I just avoid any external JS libs |
| 01:13 |
sofar |
for what I need, I can just write the small bits I need |
| 01:14 |
celeron55 |
you also have to avoid any other external libs, be it any language and server or client side, if there's any way they could inject a script in the output |
| 01:14 |
celeron55 |
if you can't trust them |
| 01:14 |
rubenwardy |
the only JS on my site I haven't looked through is jQuery and Bootstrap |
| 01:15 |
celeron55 |
shouldn't really be news to anyone, but... it is |
| 01:15 |
Fixer |
but web monkeys like external libs... |
| 01:15 |
Fixer |
have a nice sleep and a great npm-apocalypsis |
| 01:15 |
sofar |
I don't even have jquery |
| 01:16 |
sofar |
no need |
| 01:16 |
celeron55 |
php's composer is probably prone to this also |
| 01:16 |
celeron55 |
and whatever the other languages use these days |
| 01:16 |
celeron55 |
pip |
| 01:16 |
celeron55 |
gem |
| 01:16 |
sofar |
luarocks |
| 01:20 |
celeron55 |
if the thing allows recursive dependencies, it's kind of unusable |
| 01:21 |
celeron55 |
if it doesn't, then you could specify a hash of the package of the dependency and be fine |
| 01:22 |
celeron55 |
i think you can't enforce that with anything, i think even rust's cargo will happily mess you up if the package you depend on by commit hash happens to depend on something without a hash |
| 01:24 |
celeron55 |
no way to put it other than just don't use them |
| 01:24 |
celeron55 |
and then, the next thing you do will probably be installing something using one of them |
| 01:25 |
celeron55 |
this stuff is so messed up it's unthinkable |
| 01:25 |
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| 01:32 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 01:32 |
rubenwardy |
already getting issues |
| 01:32 |
rubenwardy |
(using report only mode) |
| 01:32 |
rubenwardy |
apparently my home page includes a data:image/png, but I can't see this in my source |
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| 01:50 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: nice malware you've got there |
| 01:50 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 01:51 |
rubenwardy |
probably jquery |
| 01:51 |
rubenwardy |
right??? |
| 01:52 |
celeron55 |
i don't see what's bad in a data:image/png though |
| 01:52 |
celeron55 |
seems like the safest thing to exist on a page |
| 01:52 |
rubenwardy |
you have to explicitly allow it |
| 01:53 |
rubenwardy |
it's just odd |
| 01:54 |
celeron55 |
just an incentive for people to use * |
| 01:54 |
celeron55 |
so jquery can add some malware in the future |
| 01:55 |
rubenwardy |
CSP doesn't work with adsense |
| 01:55 |
rubenwardy |
as it has like 1000s of sites |
| 01:55 |
celeron55 |
:D |
| 01:55 |
celeron55 |
the web never ends |
| 01:56 |
celeron55 |
put your ads in an iframe |
| 01:59 |
celeron55 |
imagine if actual ATM machines were programmed in javascript |
| 01:59 |
celeron55 |
wait, it's 2018; they probably are |
| 01:59 |
celeron55 |
also, java has like 5 package managers |
| 02:00 |
celeron55 |
so there's that for some banking fun |
| 02:02 |
Megaf |
javascript is fine too |
| 02:02 |
Megaf |
you can't blame a language for being insecure... |
| 02:03 |
Megaf |
you can blame the guy who made the lib or people for using npm |
| 02:05 |
celeron55 |
of course, but there are implications |
| 02:05 |
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| 02:06 |
Megaf |
I personally refuse to use anything that is based/needs either node.js or npm. Simply because I always thought they are huge security risk |
| 02:07 |
Megaf |
same reason I don't use PPAs, only official debian repos |
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| 02:08 |
celeron55 |
it will be interesting to see how people cope with this |
| 02:08 |
celeron55 |
my guess is, there's too much convenience to be lost so practically nobody does anything |
| 02:10 |
celeron55 |
it probably isn't impossible to sneak malware into official debian packages either |
| 02:11 |
Megaf |
very difficult to get on the main repo tho, easier on contrib I recon, but very hard in main |
| 02:11 |
Megaf |
stable/main that is |
| 02:12 |
celeron55 |
you'd have to go through their dependency trees, but yeah, possibly |
| 02:12 |
Megaf |
it has to go first to experimental, get tested, then unstable, more testing, then testing, more testing, then stable. Unless they just hack and replace a package with malwhere |
| 02:12 |
Megaf |
though there are checks like md5sums and so on performed every apt-get operation |
| 02:12 |
celeron55 |
testing won't reveal malware |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
code revision will |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
you could always send a closed source malware firmware to the Linux tree tho |
| 02:13 |
Megaf |
then you an get in firmware-linux-nonfree package... |
| 02:14 |
Megaf |
if you have non-free repo enabled |
| 02:14 |
celeron55 |
if there is a complete code review for every update of every package, then yes, it's difficult |
| 02:14 |
celeron55 |
seems like something nobody has resources for, though |
| 02:15 |
rubenwardy |
well, ladies and gentlemen, this is why you don't test on a live server: https://status.rubenwardy.com/ |
| 02:15 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: blank page without JS |
| 02:16 |
rubenwardy |
I don't care |
| 02:16 |
rubenwardy |
it's an external service |
| 02:16 |
rubenwardy |
uptimerobot.com |
| 02:16 |
Megaf |
I noticed |
| 02:16 |
Megaf |
anyway, what happened to you web servers? |
| 02:17 |
Megaf |
your* |
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| 02:19 |
* Megaf |
grabs a bottle of wine |
| 02:19 |
rubenwardy |
...and green |
| 02:19 |
* rubenwardy |
sighs |
| 02:19 |
* Megaf |
pours wine in a medieval bulgarian metal glass |
| 02:20 |
rubenwardy |
muh uptime :'( |
| 02:20 |
Shara |
Why bulgarian? |
| 02:21 |
Megaf |
it was bought there |
| 02:21 |
Shara |
And it's not a glass if it's metal :P |
| 02:21 |
Megaf |
English... |
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| 02:21 |
Shara |
:D |
| 02:21 |
Shara |
Sorry, but I couldn't resist |
| 02:22 |
Megaf |
I did the same joke to myself, mentally |
| 02:22 |
benrob0329 |
*poof* |
| 02:22 |
Megaf |
wb benrob0329 |
| 02:22 |
Shara |
hi benrob0329 |
| 02:22 |
* benrob0329 |
thinks about moving to Gitlab |
| 02:22 |
benrob0329 |
open source for open source ftw |
| 02:23 |
* Megaf |
uses self hosted Git |
| 02:23 |
Megaf |
(open to the public) |
| 02:23 |
Megaf |
git.megaf.info |
| 02:23 |
benrob0329 |
Gitlab even has static page hosting, so my website can move as well |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
for future reference: https://i.rubenwardy.com/Hd6SuRXZYv.png |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/sIPGZxMyj5.png |
| 02:24 |
rubenwardy |
at least the notifications work |
| 02:30 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOl7P6fgZsA |
| 02:30 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 02:30 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Should You Pee On A Jellyfish Sting? Debunked - YouTube |
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* Sokomine |
hands megaf a sunbathing squid so that he has a sea creature to enjoy |
| 02:48 |
* benrob0329 |
moves website to gitlab |
| 02:54 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 02:54 |
Megaf |
I dont know what to make of that Sokomine |
| 02:55 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: gitlab pages supports ssl and you can use CI integration to deploy site generators |
| 02:56 |
rubenwardy |
oh nice |
| 02:56 |
rubenwardy |
issue is I already have a massively complicated nginx config for my site |
| 02:56 |
rubenwardy |
well, a bunch of redirects |
| 02:56 |
rubenwardy |
but good to know |
| 02:58 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: I'm considering writing a small lua script for site generation |
| 02:58 |
rubenwardy |
as in HTML generation? |
| 02:58 |
rubenwardy |
like a static site generator? |
| 02:59 |
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| 03:00 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: yes |
| 03:00 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 03:00 |
benrob0329 |
considering, would need to learn gilab's CI better |
| 03:00 |
tumeninodes |
an honest internet provider. (caution language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucFpDhuF98 |
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tumeninodes |
sofar, North America was a flop, will try again another day. Not sure what went wrong but, a much smaller map worked perfectly as usual |
| 03:18 |
Megaf |
I like his shirt |
| 03:19 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 03:20 |
tumeninodes |
heh.... rant |
| 03:23 |
tumeninodes |
I see about 50 shades of shadiness just in the background :P |
| 03:23 |
benrob0329 |
heh |
| 03:26 |
tumeninodes |
I like afterstep more |
| 03:27 |
rubenwardy |
!g afterstep |
| 03:27 |
rubenwardy |
g afterstep |
| 03:27 |
rubenwardy |
~g afterstep |
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ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: AfterStep - Welcome to the Official AfterStep website - Site dedicated to Development of the AfterStep Window Manager. Includes HTMLized sources, daily activity log, and TODOs. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fafterstep.org%2F>, AfterStep - Wikipedia - AfterStep is a stacking window manager for the X Window System. The goal of AfterStep's development is to provide for flexibility (6 more messages) |
| 03:28 |
tumeninodes |
what the???? |
| 03:30 |
benrob0329 |
tumeninodes: but AwesomeWM uses Lua :PP |
| 03:32 |
Megaf |
is this page working for you? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27/ |
| 03:33 |
rubenwardy |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27 |
| 03:33 |
Megaf |
lol, it works if I remove the last / |
| 03:33 |
Megaf |
lol |
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rubenwardy |
sfan5, would be good to 300/301 ^ |
| 03:33 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
| 03:33 |
rubenwardy |
*301/302 |
| 03:34 |
tumeninodes |
benrop, I actually did not know that |
| 03:34 |
tumeninodes |
rop? *rob |
| 03:35 |
tumeninodes |
I am sure Awesome has been worked on recently as well... which sadly afterstep probably has not |
| 03:36 |
benrob0329 |
tumeninodes: feel free to take a look at my dotfiles if you want, I've fixed the formatting in my rc.lua :PP |
| 03:37 |
benrob0329 |
I'll push the tardis mod onto gitlab for beta, once it's ready |
| 03:38 |
tumeninodes |
nice |
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rubenwardy |
yay, can confirm |
| 03:59 |
rubenwardy |
> not HTTPS |
| 03:59 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 03:59 |
rubenwardy |
not sure why it's so hard for github etc |
| 03:59 |
rubenwardy |
other sites can manage getting letsencrypt certs for sites |
| 04:00 |
rubenwardy |
eg, uptimerobot status.rubenwardy.com |
| 04:00 |
tumeninodes |
poke Linus |
| 04:00 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: I'd need to generate a cert manually |
| 04:01 |
benrob0329 |
don't feel like doing that much work right now :P |
| 04:01 |
rubenwardy |
oh, so it supports it if you provide |
| 04:01 |
rubenwardy |
+it |
| 04:01 |
rubenwardy |
no auto-renew sucks |
| 04:01 |
benrob0329 |
but for free hosting with CI integration over git.. |
| 04:01 |
benrob0329 |
and you might be able to renew with CI |
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benrob0329 |
bbl |
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* benrob0329 |
looks around |
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sofar |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19313 |
| 08:33 |
sofar |
actually |
| 08:33 |
sofar |
https://mt2fa.foo-projects.org/ |
| 08:37 |
nerzhul |
sofar, it's nice but not for a distributed thing like MT, it's good for a centralized game |
| 08:37 |
sofar |
I disagree |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
it'll be great for players to be able to recover their passwords if they forget |
| 08:38 |
nerzhul |
majority of our players are andriod, is the thing optional or mandatory for everyplayer on a server |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
you didn't read |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
shoo |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
go read first |
| 08:38 |
nerzhul |
sofar, it should be embedded in core then :p |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
read first, then think, then discuss |
| 08:38 |
sofar |
you didn't do the first 2 parts |
| 08:39 |
sofar |
you can certainly do stuff like it in core |
| 08:39 |
sofar |
anything is possible, really |
| 08:40 |
sofar |
as I said earlier, nobody stops you from writing a "log in with facebook" button |
| 08:40 |
sofar |
and no, this isn't intended for android players |
| 08:40 |
sofar |
this is something for server owners first |
| 08:41 |
sofar |
anyway, you know how I work - concept - design - implementation - rapid prototype - show & discuss - learn - revise & review -> the future! |
| 08:42 |
sofar |
https://media.nngroup.com/media/editor/2016/07/29/designthinking_illustration_final-01-01.png |
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nerzhul |
sofar, it's a very good idea, i just said i don't know if it correctly applies to MT users |
| 09:05 |
nerzhul |
in which language did you do this ? golang ? |
| 09:05 |
sofar |
yes |
| 09:05 |
sofar |
I'll post code tomorrow (mod/service) |
| 09:05 |
sofar |
it's past my bedtime :) |
| 09:10 |
nerzhul |
i like golang too :) |
| 09:10 |
nerzhul |
i have an IRC/Slack/Command bot in microservice architecture mode with rabbitmq in golang, it's blazing fast to code and maintain |
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* sofar |
teeters out |
| 10:04 |
nore |
hmmmmm, the mods/ page of minetest-mods.github.io is outdated, again |
| 10:05 |
nore |
should we reopen https://github.com/minetest-mods/minetest-mods.github.io/issues/48 ? |
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shivajiva |
hehe I'm amused that without any source rnd thinks sofar may roll his own encryption and leave his own work vulnerable :) |
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| 12:12 |
Fixer |
this whole js thing is waiting for disaster |
| 12:12 |
Fixer |
or even security disaster |
| 12:25 |
red-001 |
> doesn't post source |
| 12:25 |
red-001 |
> untill I see the source |
| 12:34 |
Fixer |
btw, hi |
| 12:37 |
Fixer |
i've noticed some sites have really crappy js, that loads the page but then suddenly says xxxx xxx, erases everything back and demand js enabled, what a pricks |
| 12:37 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: GitHub Pages provides HTTPS, but only if not using a custom domain |
| 12:37 |
Calinou |
if you use a custom domain, you cannot use trusted HTTPS on that domain, not even if you buy a certificatre |
| 12:37 |
Calinou |
certificate* |
| 12:37 |
Calinou |
(or use Let's Encrypt) |
| 12:43 |
Fixer |
awkwardly, we have Christmas right now (it is old calendar thing) |
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red-001 |
https://github.com/alphagov |
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Megaf |
Good morning |
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lisac |
Merry Christmas everyone! |
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Krock |
Merry Christmas, weird calendar |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
oh yeah, it's today |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
Merry Christmas lisac |
| 14:10 |
lisac |
:P |
| 14:10 |
lisac |
thanks Megaf, Krock |
| 14:10 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
| 14:11 |
Calinou |
merry Christmas lisac |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
still funny |
| 14:11 |
lisac |
hey Calinou, thanks :P |
| 14:12 |
Fixer |
13 day diff, celebrating of the same thing |
| 14:14 |
Fixer |
damn, installed avast, boot time increased back to unacceptable :/ |
| 14:16 |
lisac |
Fixer: what would you need an AV for? |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
wincrap |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
just testing some AVs |
| 14:16 |
Raven262 |
Merry Christmas everyone, again. |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
now trying avira |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
you too |
| 14:16 |
lisac |
unless you download stuff from crap sites and have all your ports open, I doubt you really need it |
| 14:16 |
Raven262 |
^ |
| 14:16 |
Raven262 |
Lisac never got a virus this way. |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
i agree |
| 14:16 |
lisac |
Raven, for example, does need it |
| 14:16 |
Raven262 |
Yeah. |
| 14:17 |
lisac |
he's a very trusting person |
| 14:17 |
Raven262 |
And I use Avast, boot time is long, as you noticed on your device :P |
| 14:17 |
lisac |
also, wanna check out my app, raven? http://the-actual-adware/download-now.exe |
| 14:17 |
Raven262 |
I would click that link, I'm on linux. |
| 14:18 |
lisac |
:P |
| 14:18 |
lisac |
and fuck up your wine install |
| 14:18 |
Raven262 |
Was hoping it was real though. |
| 14:18 |
Raven262 |
Nah, too many wine versions and prefixes to destroy them all. |
| 14:18 |
Raven262 |
(at once) |
| 14:20 |
Fixer |
avira.systray.exe - 136 mb, holy crap |
| 14:21 |
Raven262 |
For some reason, I got an impression that Avira is crap overall. But I have been using it a long time ago, on a very weak system. |
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| 15:18 |
Megaf |
https://an-actual-mallware.computer/wine_killer.exe |
| 15:18 |
Megaf |
Don't click it! |
| 15:23 |
red-001 |
1. way to get people to click |
| 15:23 |
red-001 |
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
just don't use windows |
| 15:57 |
Lord_Buckethead |
<Lushnjaa> Hi |
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Lord_Buckethead |
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| 15:58 |
Lord_Buckethead |
I find this strangly annoying |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
<User> Hi |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
<User> ANYONE HERE???????? |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
Oh, "hi" is fine |
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rubenwardy |
* User has quit |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
What I don't like is |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
User: Shara |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
User: Shara |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
Me: What do you want? |
| 16:16 |
Shara |
User: Shara |
| 16:17 |
Shara |
Me: Yes? |
| 16:17 |
Shara |
User: SHARA!!! |
| 16:17 |
Shara |
Then.. they quit |
| 16:17 |
rubenwardy |
BRB, making a bot to automate that |
| 16:17 |
Shara |
:D |
| 16:17 |
Shara |
I get at least one of these every day |
| 16:18 |
rubenwardy |
It would be so easy to SDoS a server |
| 16:18 |
Shara |
Baaad rubenwardy |
| 16:18 |
Shara |
:) |
| 16:18 |
rubenwardy |
spamming is harder as you'd need to implement most of the hand shake protocol |
| 16:20 |
Shara |
I simply suspect all those of us who run servers must be insane. |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
I'm not insane |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
I simply neglect my server |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
no' we're just a little nuts, Shara |
| 16:20 |
Shara |
Ruben, you are a developer here. |
| 16:21 |
Shara |
You are definitely insane |
| 16:21 |
rubenwardy |
ah, true |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 16:21 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Any doughnuts on offer with those nuts? |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
all out |
| 16:21 |
Shara |
:( |
| 16:21 |
Lord_Buckethead |
Shara, just seems a kinda pointless to open a pm window just for that |
| 16:22 |
rubenwardy |
I honestly stresses me a little that doughnuts is doughnuts not doughnoughts |
| 16:22 |
Shara |
Buckethead, since I am not the one who opens them, well, yes? |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: and we spell them "donuts" here :P |
| 16:22 |
* rubenwardy |
cringes |
| 16:23 |
Shara |
:D |
| 16:23 |
Lord_Buckethead |
dunuts |
| 16:24 |
Shara |
Don't know. We don't want rubenwardy to drop dead on us |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
he's already having convulsions |
| 16:26 |
VanessaE |
he must be thinking of all the other Americanized short forms |
| 16:26 |
VanessaE |
see? |
| 16:26 |
Lord_Buckethead |
well I guess we list that as "Operator Error"? |
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| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
rheh |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
like drive-thru :) |
| 16:35 |
IhrFussel |
Does format return a string or INT if I give it an INT as argument? |
| 16:36 |
IhrFussel |
local avglag = ("%.3f"):format(lastval) << |
| 16:39 |
rubenwardy |
string |
| 16:39 |
rubenwardy |
format is always a string |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
that format means that I'll make a string with lastval written as a decimal to 3DP |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
so if lastval is 5, it'll return "5.000" |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
I think |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
for an integer, you can use %d. However, you might as well use string concatenation in that case |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
I just need to use the result in an if statement so I wasn't sure if I should do if avglag == "blah" or just if avglag == blah |
| 16:43 |
IhrFussel |
If it's a string I wonder why print(avglag+1) works ... is lua like Bash and also accepts a string for math functions? |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
probably implicitly casts to a number |
| 16:47 |
IhrFussel |
Makes sense thanks^^ |
| 16:47 |
Lord_Buckethead |
ｔｙï½ï½…　ｃï½ï½…ｒｃｉï½ï½Ž |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: it does, but only if the string is a simple number. if avglag were itself an expression, it'll become 0 I believe. |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
you can't store expressions |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
expressions are evaluated on assignment |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
nono |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
if avglag were a string storing an expression |
| 16:59 |
Sokomine |
Shara: oh yes. i know that strange behaviour from servers as well. wonder why they don't manage to say what they really want. perhaps extremly young? 3-4 years old or so? |
| 16:59 |
Shara |
No idea |
| 17:00 |
Shara |
I've even had it on servers where I don't actively help out and just happen to be in the IRC channel or similar in the past |
| 17:01 |
Shara |
And it's been PMs, or in game private messages, as well as just on server chat |
| 17:02 |
Shara |
Of course, in the future I'm always going to assume it's rubenwardy being silly :) |
| 17:02 |
Sokomine |
Shara: strange. but not uniq at all |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
huh |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
que |
| 17:02 |
Shara |
:D |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
Je ne comprez pa |
| 17:02 |
Sokomine |
perhaps the aliveai npc escaped onto your server |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
*pas |
| 17:03 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: you remind me of something. now that i've added localization to travelnets - some other languages would be good. perhaps french and portugese |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
it would be great to have a rosetta code for server rules |
| 17:04 |
Sokomine |
that, too. most larger servers go by adding signs in diffrent languages |
| 17:04 |
Shara |
RC has a library with books that list rule sin multiple languages, but the signs only have the two official languages |
| 17:04 |
Shara |
rules in* |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, just means that they can do that |
| 17:05 |
Shara |
It's dificult to make something an official server language unless I at least partly speak it |
| 17:05 |
Shara |
And too many signs in one place isnt always good |
| 17:06 |
Sokomine |
probably no point in official server language at all unless the majority of players speak both |
| 17:07 |
Sokomine |
i've wished for such a rosetta stone/library for more languages for some time as well. it might also be used in the server menu where people might choose according to what the rules say. pvp-related rules, griefing rules, language related things (directly and indirectly), youtube recording and the like |
| 17:09 |
Shara |
Well, I've had a lot of german language speakers at various points, though I seem to have lost them for the moment |
| 17:10 |
Shara |
One of my admins more or less learned at least basic/conversational german just to be able to speak to them |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
my top languages are: English, French, Russian, Spanish, Italian |
| 17:11 |
Lord_Buckethead |
Shara, thats some dedication |
| 17:12 |
Shara |
Yes. |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
needs a pay raise |
| 17:13 |
Krock |
needs a praise |
| 17:14 |
benrob0329 |
My top languages are: English, Lua |
| 17:14 |
Lord_Buckethead |
"Minetest moderator gets a pay raise, human rights activists praise the move" |
| 17:14 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 17:15 |
Krock |
HTML is my favourite programming language and England is my city |
| 17:16 |
* Lord_Buckethead |
presses that big red button |
| 17:16 |
benrob0329 |
Lord_Buckethead: but someone would complain that all moderators should get a pay raise, or none should get one |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
reminds me of why we'll never get paid developers |
| 17:26 |
* Sokomine |
hands Lord_Buckethead a mese crystal fragment as pay raise |
| 17:26 |
Sokomine |
(on a creative server) |
| 17:33 |
Sokomine |
sadly there isn't more. you have to build your own reward - no matter on which level :-) |
| 17:37 |
Shara |
And server owners pay instead of get paid :) |
| 17:38 |
IhrFussel |
Someone joins my server and acts like a drama queen "nobody wants to join my server" ... somebody else asked what the server name is "it's not on the server list" ... like really? |
| 17:39 |
Shara |
Heh. |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
What a surprise that nobody wants to type down an IP and port number instead of choosing from the server list (not) |
| 17:41 |
IhrFussel |
Especially when copy+paste is broken (at least on Ubuntu) |
| 17:41 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, maybe it was OC after getting blacklisted |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 17:44 |
benrob0329 |
Someone made a patch for MTG so that ingots are in groups |
| 17:44 |
benrob0329 |
That way you don't have to depend on Default's ingots, but rather whatever equivalent exists |
| 17:45 |
benrob0329 |
sofar, paramat is he was here, would this be wanted? |
| 17:45 |
benrob0329 |
Before I adopt it since she doesnt have a Github account |
| 17:47 |
IhrFussel |
Umm... ~ 1 hour ago I had some random name player say "MINECRAFT" in the chat and just now another random name player said the same... not sure if those are really humans o.o |
| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: are you an MTG dev? I can't remember anymore... |
| 17:48 |
Lord_Buckethead |
IhrFussel, whats with the two servers? |
| 17:49 |
Shara |
benrob0329: just check credits tab in game? :P |
| 17:49 |
Lord_Buckethead |
we don't split the credits between game and non-gamew |
| 17:50 |
Shara |
ahh, missed MTG part sorry |
| 17:50 |
Shara |
but he is |
| 17:50 |
* Lord_Buckethead |
remebers all the controversy about the credits |
| 17:52 |
IhrFussel |
False alarm...it's the same IP, just 2 different apps I guess... The fact that many clone apps just give them random names is so confusing ... Lord_Buckethead, not sure what you mean regarding "servers" |
| 17:52 |
Lord_Buckethead |
two servers are on the server list with your name on them |
| 17:52 |
Lord_Buckethead |
old and 2018 |
| 17:52 |
Shara |
Well, it would be nice if https://www.minetest.net/credits/ matched what the credits tab in game says too |
| 17:53 |
Lord_Buckethead |
well a github commentator said the repo is dead so I guess it can't happen |
| 17:53 |
Shara |
dead? |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
what repo? |
| 17:53 |
IhrFussel |
The (Old) one just tells the players that we moved to a new IP on connect |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
you shouldn't announce the old one |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
if you still are |
| 17:56 |
IhrFussel |
True I could remove it from the list at least |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
also, anyone that has patreon should consider liberapay |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
no fees, and FOSS |
| 17:57 |
Lord_Buckethead |
rubenwardy, I was refering to web#110 |
| 17:57 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/110 -- Does anyone care about this webpage at all? |
| 17:58 |
benrob0329 |
Librepay 👌 |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
everyone that complains about the website obviously doesn't care enough either |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
1474560 bytes (1.5 MB, 1.4 MiB) copied, 125.177 s, 11.8 kB/s |
| 17:59 |
IhrFussel |
Fixed |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
cant believe we all sued floppies and for us it was just normal its speed |
| 18:00 |
rubenwardy |
*sold? |
| 18:02 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, I recently watched an old German ad about internet ... it's about a seller and a customer seller: "get now up to 64,000 bit/s" customer: "how fast is that" seller: "*turns head from left to right and says* wooooosh" customer: "*smiles*" |
| 18:02 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
and now Im loading a whole OS from teh flooppy |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
done, loaded |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
that's why we were okay with them :) |
| 18:05 |
IhrFussel |
Guys was that just a German thing or did they sing WAYYYY more in ads between 1980-1995 ? |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
maybe they were glacial compared to today, but the programs were so small that it didn't matter too much, and if your system was any good, there were shortcuts the software could take to make the load times seem particularly short |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
IhrFussel: they did. |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
jingles, we call 'em here |
| 18:07 |
IhrFussel |
I wonder what caused that to change then... maybe just different generation? |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
hard to say |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
costs most likely |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
I remember installing Windows 3.11 with its all 7 floppys, 9 in total for optional packages |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
IhrFussel: surely it's cheaper to make an ad with instrumental music, maybe even some prepackaged song like some 50's or 60's "oldies" pop song, than it is to pay a professional singer to record a new tune |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
or DOS 4 from its 3 floppies |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
good times |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
things just worked, all you needed was knowing how to set your IRQs |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: or running GEOS directly from two 165k floppies (using two drives) :) |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
hah, that too, though I liked the DOS 4 graphical environment most |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
dont remember the name now |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
it was part of DOS, and you had a mouse |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
dosshell |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
it was graphical interface |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
I think |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
dosshel! Yes!@ |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
When I discovered it I just couldnt see any use for Windows 3 anymore |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
since a lot of the apps I was running, and games, were DOS |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
that on a 386 SX with 4 MB of RAM |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
and 40 MB HDD |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
blah |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
whopping 33 MHz |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
I'm talking older here - 8 bit era, C64 at 1.0227 MHz, no HDD, 64k of RAM, serial-interfaced single-side floppy :) |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
The oldest thing I used was an Apple II clone |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
with a sngle serial interface |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
same era. |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
maybe I could connect a cassete to it |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
but they were too expensive |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
basically equivalent in CPU power anyway |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
so I would just boot it up, write some basic, run it, then all was lost when shutting down |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
amazing times |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 18:16 |
shivajiva |
lol first computer I ever got my hands on was a ZX80 1KB ram, 4KB ROM |
| 18:16 |
shivajiva |
£80 self build |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 18:18 |
shivajiva |
oh and a Commodore Pet in school for CS |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
first ever computer I touched was a MSX type |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
in school :) |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
the 386 was a neighbours comuter |
| 18:18 |
shivajiva |
Konami cartridges....menesis :) |
| 18:18 |
shivajiva |
*nemesis |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
thinking about trying this out http://www.linfo.org/mulinux.html |
| 18:19 |
shivajiva |
Atari ST was a long way forward from those days |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
shivajiva: my first was a Timex-Sinclair 1000, basically a ZX81 with 2k |
| 18:21 |
shivajiva |
heh nice, twice the memory lol |
| 18:21 |
shivajiva |
I kept my zx81 and spectrum for some reason |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
I had the 16k RAM expansion for it :) |
| 18:22 |
shivajiva |
wow and a joystick no doubt :) |
| 18:23 |
shivajiva |
the ram epansion had a pass thru didn't it? |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
nope, and nope |
| 18:23 |
shivajiva |
what am I thinking of with a pass thru? |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
TS1000 didn't support joysticks, at least not in its base state |
| 18:24 |
shivajiva |
maybe it was the Kensington joystick interface |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
could be |
| 18:26 |
shivajiva |
I have to say I preferred the 6502 cpu to the Z80 back in the day |
| 18:27 |
shivajiva |
video memory was weird on the sinclair offerings |
| 18:28 |
shivajiva |
split across 2 pages as I recall |
| 18:28 |
shivajiva |
upper and lower screen...nasty |
| 18:30 |
VanessaE |
I never really learned to code until I got a C64 in 1986 |
| 18:31 |
shivajiva |
you didn't miss much :D |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
any good weather mods? |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
snowdrift seems to be the best around |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Please let me know if you find a better one |
| 18:39 |
IhrFussel |
Did the alpha textures bug always exist? (disappearing layers when you look at them from a certain angle) |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
got that, any more? |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
What are you aiming for? |
| 18:40 |
* Shara |
needs to make a weather mod at some point.... and is scared of this |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.net/customize |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
I have space for one more mod in "environment" |
| 18:41 |
IhrFussel |
!mod weather_pack |
| 18:41 |
MinetestBot |
IhrFussel: weather_pack 0.3 by xeranas - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14539 |
| 18:41 |
Shara |
sofar's lightning mod? |
| 18:41 |
IhrFussel |
I use that one |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
got that |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
will check out weather pack |
| 18:42 |
IhrFussel |
weather_pack is basically an API...you can easily add more weather types |
| 18:42 |
Shara |
It's hard to suggest things without knowing what you have yet :P |
| 18:42 |
Shara |
Fussel, hmm, how easy? |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
will make a PR soon, heh |
| 18:43 |
Shara |
I need a weather mod for a subgame, but I've been thinking of using snowdrift as a base for it so far |
| 18:44 |
Shara |
Why does coloured clay on that page point to the topic of some guy who just randomly forked Ten's mod? |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
err |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
https://rubenwardy.com/minetest.github.io/customize/ |
| 18:45 |
Shara |
He literall yjust changed Ten's recipe, then he gets recommended on the official page instead of Ten's version? :D |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
CSS doesn't work for some reason |
| 18:45 |
IhrFussel |
Well it#s not *that* easy but you could simply copy rain.lua and just replace it with what you want to play/display/happen |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
baked clay is a silly name |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
baked clay is pottery |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
not colored clay |
| 18:46 |
Shara |
It's still totally unfair to recommend a fork of the mod and not the actual mod |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, already changed |
| 18:46 |
Shara |
Thank you |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
also it kind make sense are you harden the clat |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
*clay |
| 18:48 |
Shara |
For mapgen, maybe adding one of the space mods would be good? There are a fair few |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
it's all nicely lines up though |
| 18:48 |
Shara |
Okay, just an idea |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
all the lists have the same number of items |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
| 18:49 |
rubenwardy |
page is supposed to look like this: https://i.rubenwardy.com/DFXvld4NOH.png |
| 18:50 |
Shara |
That looks good |
| 18:50 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, do you know how the PRs are handled in minetest-mods? To me it looks like authors (previous owners of the repo) may merge/push them any time |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 18:50 |
Shara |
Tools and Inventory sections could have more though? |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
the previous owner has full control, and can decide |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, yeah, if you have any ideas |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
alright, thanks. |
| 18:51 |
Shara |
What about tool ranks mod? |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
so they can add people and give them access |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
oh nice |
| 18:51 |
Shara |
Inventory... bags? |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
which one? |
| 18:52 |
Shara |
That could be worth linking since more space is a commonly wanted thing |
| 18:52 |
Shara |
I'd say Ten's one since it's what I use, but I don't know if there is better |
| 18:52 |
Shara |
I can't really judge since I only tried that one |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
ten's isn't showing up in mod search |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
https://github.com/tenplus1/bags |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
That's what I use anyway |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
apparently it was originally cornernote's mod |
| 18:53 |
shivajiva |
https://github.com/bousket/unified_inventory_plus |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
he needs a forum topic |
| 18:54 |
shivajiva |
small addon |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
Could go with this then, but I don't know if it's maintained: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bags |
| 18:55 |
Shara |
But that seems to have been what Ten's mod was based on |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: also you have travelnet twice |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
huh |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
So you need another for transport |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
oh, so I do |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
:P |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
I know just the mod |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
travelnet here travelnet there travelnet everywhere |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
well, it's kinda pointless to have one travelnet |
| 18:57 |
rubenwardy |
you need to have at least 2 for it to work |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
listing it twice makes sense then |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
unified inventory has bags... |
| 18:58 |
rubenwardy |
besides the point |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Other inventories don't. |
| 18:59 |
VanessaE |
there's any other kind? :) |
| 18:59 |
Shara |
:P |
| 18:59 |
Shara |
I was shocked too. |
| 18:59 |
rubenwardy |
sfinv master race! |
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VanessaE |
flabbergasted, I tells ya |
| 19:00 |
rubenwardy |
UI would be considerably better if you used a nice background and icon set, and fixed the margins |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
don't look at me, I don't maintain it |
| 19:00 |
rubenwardy |
and also the lag in the creative inventory, no sure if that's Minetest's fault |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
please not yet another 1024px HD texture :< |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
the lag is minetest's fault |
| 19:00 |
* Shara |
mutters something about slots per page in sfinv creative inventory and then finds a stone to hide under |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
because pre-rendering is no longer possiblr |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
e* |
| 19:01 |
rubenwardy |
it really shouldn't lag |
| 19:01 |
rubenwardy |
like, there's something iffy in minetest there |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
can't be helped, minetest doesn't generate item/inventory images until you try to use one. |
| 19:02 |
Shara |
It's not so much a delay in seeing them that bothers me.. it's the weird flickery effect |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, that |
| 19:02 |
IhrFussel |
VanessaE, that would explain why some clients crash right after they open the inventory |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
remember we had a feature at one time, I forget what it was called, that pre-renders all item/inv images at startup |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
if the icons took a while to appear, that would be fine |
| 19:02 |
Shara |
Like it quickly switches between two pages loads of times |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
but the whole inventory flashes |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
the flickering is also MT's fault |
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VanessaE |
it misuses irrlicht |
| 19:02 |
Shara |
I've noticed inv plus now does it as well sometimes |
| 19:03 |
Sokomine |
Shara: there was a server for a short time that had seasons and extensive weather. i don't remember exactly which mods it used. has been a while now |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
every inventory mod that has large pages will do it. |
| 19:03 |
Shara |
Is there any way to make the images show up a few at a time with short delays between them in order to prevent it? |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
especially if you use a high-rez texture pack |
| 19:04 |
Shara |
Like show half, tiny delay, then other half |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
Shara: engine changes |
| 19:04 |
Shara |
Guuuh MT really |
| 19:04 |
Sokomine |
colored clay in whatever variant ought to use hardware coloring anyway. that works pretty fine so far |
| 19:04 |
Shara |
The larger inv pages are a necccessity on my creative server |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: unified bricks mod |
| 19:05 |
Shara |
But it drives me mad |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
I tend to just use the search |
| 19:06 |
rubenwardy |
so don't need a larger inv |
| 19:06 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: unified_inventory is indeed very nice. took me some time to get accustomed to it on your server, but now i don't want to miss it anywhere |
| 19:06 |
Shara |
To effectively use search you must first know what is likely to be available... and that means looking |
| 19:07 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, Is this the seasons mod you meant? https://github.com/maikerumine/mt_seasons |
| 19:07 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: ui doesn't lag for me. other mods do. in general all that requires sending a new formspec from the server does lag to some degree. short click paths are of high value. ui presents most in the initial formspec |
| 19:08 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: ah yes, that flickering. havn't seen that for a long time. i think that's fixed? |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
not for some people apparently. |
| 19:10 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: hm, does it come with clay as such? afaik it just had those nice brick blocks and clay lumps |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
for me, there is a brief flicker from page to page |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
but not consistently |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
most of the time, I don't see it |
| 19:11 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: i don't remember. it was a server that run for a few days/weeks. took some time for it to change from summer to winter. days, in effect |
| 19:11 |
Shara |
I always wanted to do something with seasons but seems over the top really. |
| 19:12 |
Sokomine |
VanessaE: mostly it's annoying to have to wait a tiny period of time for the new page to appear. it's a small delay but noticeable. perhaps your connection and hardware are faster so that it looks like flickering :-) |
| 19:12 |
Shara |
Going to have enough work pulling off everything I hope for weather by itself. |
| 19:13 |
Sokomine |
Shara: *nod* too many things that can be done. too few time to do all |
| 19:15 |
rubenwardy |
well, I am thankful to UI for existing |
| 19:16 |
rubenwardy |
persuaded me to write an inv mod with a nice API |
| 19:16 |
rubenwardy |
also, https://i.rubenwardy.com/mHEL6Ro91g.png |
| 19:17 |
rubenwardy |
web#111 |
| 19:17 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/111 -- Update customize page by rubenwardy |
| 19:20 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
\o/ |
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Fixer |
i'm back |
| 19:50 |
Fixer |
doing AV tests, kinda sad |
| 19:51 |
Fixer |
boot time increase is ridiculous, up to 1minute |
| 19:55 |
benrob0329 |
Why do ShadowBot's messages always ping me? |
| 19:56 |
benrob0329 |
Like, I get a notification whenever it posts |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
because your client is stupid |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
channels notifications should not ping you |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
-s |
| 19:56 |
benrob0329 |
Most mobile clients are |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't on the ones I use |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
channel notices are to stop bots from interferring which each other |
| 19:57 |
benrob0329 |
There we go, channel notice notifications turned off |
| 19:58 |
benrob0329 |
But before I adopt this patch, any interest in group:steel_ingot? |
| 19:59 |
benrob0329 |
And the like |
| 19:59 |
paramat |
open an issue to discuss? |
| 20:00 |
paramat |
an issue gives us more information |
| 20:01 |
paramat |
more people will see it |
| 20:01 |
Lord_Buckethead |
benrob0329, I can see the use in it |
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benrob0329 |
paramat: will do, creator does not have a Github account |
| 20:36 |
rubenwardy |
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/949718143387107328/pu/vid/640x360/gzeekTWwXTfI9yEk.mp4 |
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Fixer |
hmm, both avira and avast has shitty and confusing UI, both double boot time, avira can't even add rightclick menu item properly, what a cl-ck |
| 20:49 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: Windows comes with antivirus since 8 |
| 20:49 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: it is even worse |
| 20:50 |
benrob0329 |
So you trust MS for your operating system, but not to make it secure? |
| 20:50 |
benrob0329 |
🤔 |
| 20:51 |
benrob0329 |
I think that says more about the state of Windows than I ever could |
| 20:51 |
Fixer |
why on earth Intel wrote this fucking IAStorDataMgrSvc in .NET that loads that bloated .NET during startup raping my HDD in the process? it is fucking one window... |
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paramat |
language :) |
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| 21:28 |
Lord_Buckethead |
sofar, the knowing what server you are login onto issue could be solved by having the server generate a public private key pair and confirming that it has it during login |
| 21:28 |
Lord_Buckethead |
would also be useful for server supplied csm and a password manager |
| 21:30 |
Lord_Buckethead |
paramat, since this is a breaking release do you think it would be possible to switch to a system were the player is identified by an id and not thier login? |
| 21:38 |
paramat |
no idea, i'm no expert on that part of MT |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
that won't be possible |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
we're not breaking mods |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
only networking |
| 21:39 |
Lord_Buckethead |
yeah ok |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
and worlds with a update script |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
well, we're breaking a minimal amount of mods were absolutely necessary |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
ie: to fix bugs |
| 21:39 |
Lord_Buckethead |
would be pretty close to impossible to do that without breaking mods |
| 21:41 |
Lord_Buckethead |
shivajiva, it's rnd what did you expect? |
| 21:42 |
paramat |
Lord_Buckethead were you known here by a different username before now? i'm wondering if i'm already familiar with you :) are you LordFingle? |
| 21:43 |
Lord_Buckethead |
paramat, /whois |
| 21:43 |
paramat |
ok |
| 21:43 |
Lord_Buckethead |
shows you I'm logged in as red-001 |
| 21:43 |
paramat |
lol |
| 21:44 |
paramat |
i see |
| 21:44 |
Lord_Buckethead |
added the nick to my account shortly after the elections because I couldn't believe no-one took it yet |
| 22:46 |
aerozoic |
rubenwardy, which mods? Any big ones? |
| 22:47 |
rubenwardy |
player model related |
| 22:47 |
rubenwardy |
so stuff like 3D armor |
| 22:47 |
rubenwardy |
it's an easy fix though |
| 22:47 |
aerozoic |
ok |
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* benrob0329 |
considers switching to the ISC license |
| 23:36 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: the "provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies." Implies the same thing as give credit, even in the binaries, correct? |
| 23:38 |
sofar |
I interpret it as "the source code or derivatives" |
| 23:49 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: a binary is a source code derivative |
| 23:50 |
benrob0329 |
Converted to machine code, but a derivative none the less |
| 23:50 |
sofar |
don't care |
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