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00:00 Calinou https://lut.im/YBOCnGnuVU/YfS9qXCvOqfqPa8t.png
00:00 Calinou yay, got my Xbox One V3 controller working in Bluetooth mode on Linux by following the advice in https://bbs.archlinux.org/view​topic.php?pid=1670662#p1670662
00:01 rubenwardy nice
00:02 rubenwardy I have an Xbox 360 controller, so needed an adapter
00:02 rubenwardy fancy fixing Minetest's controller support?
00:02 rubenwardy ;)
00:02 Calinou heh, no
00:02 rubenwardy lol
00:02 rubenwardy same
00:02 Calinou first-person games are best played with a mouse anyway
00:03 Calinou the only usecase is playing from a couch, when plugging your PC to a TV
00:03 rubenwardy anything close to game.cpp is hella messy
00:03 Calinou but that's a niche usecase for open source games
00:03 rubenwardy and input is partially in game.cpp
00:03 Calinou (your IRL friends probably don't like them :D)
00:03 tumeninodes sofar, oh right. But, if the skybox mod is installed, the media pack could certainly add new images for it?
00:03 rubenwardy Yeah, like steam link
00:03 rubenwardy my plan is to do that as soon as I save up for a TV
00:03 rubenwardy oh, and a laptop that can power 4k
00:03 rubenwardy s/laptop/computer/g
00:04 tumeninodes I simply cannot play games like MC or MTG with a game controller, I am far to used to using mouse/keyboard
00:06 Calinou high-quality software support right here: https://lut.im/lXNfwLwRal/q8ntb4tIsyBfHeqI.png
00:07 Calinou this feels like a website telling you "Unsupported web browser" with a big box even though you're using Firefox 57
00:08 tumeninodes On a down note ha. I just bought my kid Windows 10, because I got him this for Christmas and it does not operate fully on Linux https://www.amazon.com/Huion-GT-190​-Graphics-Wide-Angle/dp/B01NA09FKM
00:11 Jordach tumeninodes: you could've bought a decent condition surface pro 2/3 for that kind of money
00:11 * tumeninodes has been unsuccessful in converting the kid to Linux
00:12 tumeninodes Jordach, we were looking at those but, he had his mind set on this device and it is really awesome. Maybe next year for a surface pro
00:12 Jordach tumeninodes: they're great for getting shit done
00:12 Jordach their i5 3xxx in the Pro 1 is perfect for my usage
00:13 Jordach krita does lag just a little with the Pro 1 Wacom pen
00:13 Jordach but that is the OpenGL canvas being the crap part
00:13 Jordach turning it off makes it smooth as butter
00:13 tumeninodes well, when my kid starts getting shit done, he can have one :P
00:14 tumeninodes he won;t give krita a chance he is a fire-alpaca fan atm :/
00:16 tumeninodes how well does inksacape work on it? inkscape introduces just a bit more lag with each update since around 2009 (on Linux anyway) not sure for Windows
00:17 Jordach windows generally has better APIs for everything
00:17 tumeninodes actually, I have been using inkscape to completely revamp one of my TPs I have been working on
00:17 tumeninodes well, it had better because.... money
00:19 Calinou -*- tumeninodes has been unsuccessful in converting the kid to Linux
00:19 Calinou I converted myself to Linux when I was a kid
00:19 Calinou :-)
00:19 tumeninodes But, I find I get better results using a proper vector software then a photo/raster tool such as gimp, for producing a truly clean TP
00:20 tumeninodes I think he dislikes Linux as part of the rebellious stage :D This is his first Windows OS, we'll see how long before support is called ha
00:21 tumeninodes and I told him "HE" will have to deal with MS support xP
00:22 tumeninodes Linux will rule the world... (once we can get stallman out of the way) j/k... kinda
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00:23 tumeninodes Windows is still just so "blah" and bland though, out of the box. They just distract people from that with retro now
00:24 tumeninodes and they sure do love to ehem "borrow" from Linux ui here n there
00:26 tumeninodes Calinou, you have to agree, Linux is still mostly appealing to younger people with an interest in programing. It still has that stigma attached to it, even in now 2018
00:29 tumeninodes I'm hogging up irc... so what can come from this whole "media-pack" idea earlier on this page? Is it a reasonable possibility? Maybe for 0.5.XXXX?
00:33 Fixer crap
00:33 red-001 Jordach, if windows is the one with the good apis, then I don't want to see linux apis
00:33 Jordach red-001: they're generally better for graphical work
00:34 Fixer can't pass doom 2 map17 due to obscurity
00:35 tumeninodes hmmm, I wonder if MAC still holds the torch for graphical software? (it's been so long since OSX 10.2)
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00:44 Jordach https://xkcd.com/1357/
00:48 tumeninodes hehe, I still have it... https://imgur.com/a/3OJHr
00:49 tumeninodes oops, I made the image to large. My first imgur, yay
00:51 tumeninodes 12 hr left for my North America map conversion... /me is suddenly wondering how large that sqlite file is going to be. Maybe I shoulda cropped it
00:52 sofar took my machine 9 days to convert the entire earth by lentebriesje
00:52 tumeninodes wow ha. what is the full map like, 12gb?
00:52 sofar 3.5 I think
00:53 tumeninodes oh, I have no worries then, whew. I am doing his North America map
00:53 sofar 350mb or so, mine turned out about that large
00:54 tumeninodes yes for Canada... this will be America + Canada so I figure double or a bit less
00:54 tumeninodes That's not bad at all
00:54 Fixer America is continent
00:55 sofar canada was less, probably to the large amount of sea
00:55 Fixer there is no such thing as America + Canada
00:55 Fixer Canada is located in North America
00:55 Fixer you are welcome
00:55 tumeninodes I am still extremely grateful for this conversion tool
00:56 tumeninodes Fixer.. North America = The Americas and Canada
00:56 Fixer you mean USA + Canada
00:57 tumeninodes thpltpltpltplt
00:57 tumeninodes ^that's a raspberry
00:58 red-001 hi celeron55
01:00 tumeninodes he's looking at us here, shaking his head
01:09 TotallyNotRed oh btw a pro-tip if the botnet spammers are hitting you with pms and not just channel mass highlight set user mode +R
01:10 tumeninodes thinking of how to word an issue (feature request) for switching to "mediapacks" and where it belongs MTG or Minetest? Unless someone else wants to or plans to make one
01:10 TotallyNotRed minetest
01:10 tumeninodes thanks red devilcake that will be very useful
01:11 TotallyNotRed ahh
01:11 TotallyNotRed well I guess I should change the nick back...
01:12 TotallyNotRed tumeninodes, that's top secret, no-one can know, for all intents and proposes I'm Blue now
01:12 tumeninodes So, minetest it is then, thanks.
01:13 tumeninodes afk to chase of coyotes in trash... sigh... again
01:13 sofar one day I won't LOL about it
01:13 rubenwardy blue-100: should be blue-00f
01:14 blue-100 you are making a good point
01:14 blue-100 but 100 is the reverse of 001
01:21 rubenwardy created https://rubenwardy.com/donate/ and updated https://www.patreon.com/rubenwardy
01:22 rubenwardy although you should probably use this one over mine: https://www.patreon.com/paramat
01:33 tumeninodes well that was a bit unnerving. fun fact, coyote tend to get food aggressive in extra cold conditions but, they can be tamed to an extent :P
01:34 tumeninodes spoiler alert, they love the Xmas ham
01:36 rubenwardy *** FidgetSpinners joined the game
01:36 rubenwardy oh no
01:36 tumeninodes muahahahahaha
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01:40 tumeninodes I wonder what ever happened with Captain Chaos? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&t=16649
02:23 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/7kpMzVPpu7.png
02:23 rubenwardy \o/
02:23 VanessaE ohhh big commit ;)
02:24 tumeninodes New years resolution.... check
02:24 VanessaE haha
02:24 xerox123_ Heh
02:24 tumeninodes Hi Vanessa
02:24 VanessaE hi
02:25 tumeninodes and..., rubenwardy accomplished that with only 2 pizzas
02:26 VanessaE yeah but how much mountain dew?
02:26 VanessaE ;)
02:26 tumeninodes idk, how much does it take to literally vibrate?
02:26 VanessaE the pizza is just the fuel, you need dew or coffee for the caffeine as a catalyst :)
02:27 tumeninodes oh, perhaps you did not see my consumer tip link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovhbT-Iulc
02:30 tumeninodes I hope it makes you laugh ; )
02:31 tumeninodes potty break. TMI, deal with it
02:33 rubenwardy what did coffee do to hurt him
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02:51 tumeninodes coffee never hurt nobody
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06:02 benrob0329 this PR makes me sad https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/385
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07:17 benrob0329 Ok, why was zoom added instead of a more general fov setter function we've been asking for for years, which would have been used to make better looking binoculars
07:18 benrob0329 And why was a perfectly good visual effect rejected instead of disabled by default
07:18 benrob0329 And why am I getting so fed up with the state of software nowadays
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10:56 * Megaf wishes you all an amazing and brilliant 2018!
10:59 sfan5 I think you might be a day late
11:02 Megaf Negative
11:02 Megaf I'm not wishing a happy new year good. I'm wishing the whole thing to be good
11:02 Megaf ;)
12:09 red-F00 oh I got to 199 forum posts, only 57 to the next big number
12:11 shivajiva https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fn​akedsecurity.sophos.com%2F2013%2F08%2F06%2Fj​ust-when-you-thought-it-was-safe-to-go-back-​in-the-water-closet%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&a​mp;usg=AFQjCNF-plvKiV_ipqRd1GDQxPMWLGIY7A
12:12 red-F00 huh didn't expect that to work
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13:23 red-F00 🕲
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15:00 CWz We need open source TV Shows
15:00 CWz and movies
15:00 CWz and animels that way we can fork one of "god's"/natures lamer creations and make em better
15:01 benrob0329 Changing nature is almost never a good idea...
15:11 Calinou open source cows NOW!
15:29 twoelk sadly a lot of seeds are indeed not <opensource> anymore but have been copyrighted
15:29 Calinou yeah, I've seen a project related to open source seeds a few years agfo
15:29 Calinou ago*
15:31 twoelk a few years ago they wanted to fade out a popular potatoe type because the copyright was going to run out
15:31 twoelk they rather wanted it to go extinct than it being freely available
15:33 Calinou similar things happened in the software/culture world as well
15:33 Calinou (due to things such as software patents)
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15:35 tenplus1 hi folks
15:35 twoelk o/
15:35 tenplus1 hey twoelk
15:35 twoelk \o
15:36 twoelk o/
15:36 tenplus1 ehehe, how's things ?
15:36 Calinou hi :)
15:36 tenplus1 hi Cal
15:36 Calinou my PC has been freezing several times lately :(
15:36 Calinou while playing games
15:36 Calinou (audio still plays, video freezes, can't do anything, have to shutdown)
15:36 tenplus1 fedora build playing what games ?
15:37 Calinou various games, native and WINE
15:37 tenplus1 what gfx you got ?
15:37 Calinou GTX 1080
15:37 tenplus1 nvidia's ownbinary blob ?
15:38 * twoelk is trying to clear a stuck printer queue - without having to shut down several terminals and servers
15:38 tenplus1 you ran printers util and flushed it ?
15:39 twoelk FF has been freezing my older windows a lot lately - maikerumine was mentioning some memory leak in latest win10
15:40 twoelk done everything I could without sending everybody home
15:40 tenplus1 you turned on new backend and hardware accel ?
15:42 twoelk sorry was called away :-)
15:43 twoelk guess I have some work after hours today :-/
15:44 Calinou tenplus1: yeah, binary driver
15:44 tenplus1 in FF's about:config enable 'browser.cache.use_new_backend' = 1
15:44 Calinou (387.34)
15:45 tenplus1 Cal, I had to go back a version for stability :0
15:45 Calinou yeah, that might be why, no idea how I'd rollback the driver
15:45 Calinou (I'm using RPMFusion)
15:45 tenplus1 ohhh, gotcha...  rpm repo's arent same as debs
15:46 tenplus1 the 375.82 works nice with wine and gaming :D
15:51 benrob0329 Pale Moon master race :P
15:51 benrob0329 No Mozilla crap
15:51 tenplus1 hi benrob :)
15:51 tenplus1 havent used palemoon in a while, what's differences ?
15:51 Megaf Hi all
15:51 tenplus1 hi Megaf
15:52 Megaf I will just leave my newly created Diaspora user here. https://diasp.eu/people/3001​3aa0d2000135501a4061862b8e7b
15:52 * Megaf looks at sofar
15:52 benrob0329 tenplus1: its an actual fork, rather than a rebranding of FF
15:53 tenplus1 so uses open-source segments of FF
15:53 Megaf pale moon sucks
15:53 * Megaf runs
15:53 tenplus1 lolol
15:53 benrob0329 And it doesnt come with Mozilla's definitely-for-profit (and spying, it would seen)
15:53 benrob0329 Megaf: you didn't even install a theme!
15:53 Megaf I installed Opera for my grandmother couple of hours ago, je like it
15:54 Megaf she*
15:54 tenplus1 original Opera was better, the new chrome based one sucks
15:54 benrob0329 Eww, proprietary browser
15:54 * rubenwardy has reached 1GB of *compressed* logs on CTF
15:54 tenplus1 am using Chromium with optimizations
15:54 * Megaf deletest his logs afer short while
15:55 benrob0329 I use chromium for WebRTC, thats about it
15:55 rubenwardy cd ..
15:55 benrob0329 Which, to be fair it has the best WebRTC implementation
15:55 rubenwardy <_<
16:02 tenplus1 from what I'm reading pale moon seems to have many issues
16:05 Megaf Indeed it does
16:05 Megaf and so does Minetest
16:05 Megaf so what?
16:05 Megaf :)
16:05 tenplus1 I dont want my daily browser crashing in the middle of something important
16:06 Megaf 102 open issues for Pale Moon
16:06 Megaf Minetest, will not even comment
16:06 tenplus1 lol
16:06 Megaf Tho the ration is quite ok
16:06 rubenwardy it's worth not including feature requests
16:06 rubenwardy and just counting bug reports
16:06 Megaf lets see
16:07 rubenwardy Minetest will pribably still have more
16:07 Megaf 5 bugs open for Pale Moon
16:07 Megaf Minetest, will still not comment
16:08 twoelk there are a lot of rogue sites out there bound to crash your innocent or naive browser
16:08 Megaf Tho Minetest seems to be much larger than Pale Moon community wise
16:09 tenplus1 minetest is more fun :D
16:09 * Megaf likes this https://github.com/minetest/min​etest/pull/6849#issue-284698437
16:09 twoelk hopefully
16:10 twoelk as in hopefully more fun
16:10 Megaf sofar: rubenwardy: did you see that alreay? ^ #6849
16:11 rubenwardy yeah
16:11 rubenwardy busy though
16:11 Megaf LGTM
16:11 tenplus1 +1 - good idea
16:11 tenplus1 saves a ton of bogus player names with disconnects or bots
16:11 Megaf my thought exactely
16:12 Megaf sfan5: you like the code on #6849 ?
16:12 Megaf concept and execution wise I'm quite happy with it
16:12 sfan5 haven't looked yet
16:14 * twoelk notices another printer with a job queue pointing to data nirvana ---- ??
16:14 tenplus1 what kinda printer ?
16:14 twoelk this one a brother, the previous an HP
16:15 tenplus1 ahh, the hplip-gui woulda been handy for job control, dunno about brothe tho
16:15 twoelk hm, was away a week and now this
16:16 benrob0329 tenplus1: Pale Moon has never crashed on me
16:16 twoelk duh - did ms do some update to weed out older printers? or those companies that don't pay them enough?
16:17 tenplus1 probably...
16:17 benrob0329 As for Minetest, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/385
16:17 Jordach twoelk: printer probably used TWAIN
16:17 Jordach TWAIN is deprecated
16:17 Jordach (massively)
16:18 tenplus1 it's 2018, you'd think a printer standard would be a thing now
16:18 benrob0329 I think that's all that needs to be said
16:19 Jordach it's $<current_year> why does $x not work on $linux_distro
16:19 * twoelk hopefully looks at the two remaining printers chugging away
16:19 tenplus1 bash uses $(date +%F) so must be other codes for year etc
16:20 benrob0329 tenplus1: its called CUPS :^)
16:20 twoelk actually only some of our old scanners use TWAIN iirc
16:20 tenplus1 cups for linux, not mac or winblows
16:20 benrob0329 the Common Unix Printing Service
16:20 twoelk oh and the odd old camera
16:20 benrob0329 tenplus1: CUPS was made by Apple :-)
16:21 tenplus1 is it on iOS ?
16:21 benrob0329 Dunno about iOS, but without checking I can assume it's the default stack on MacOS
16:21 twoelk I wish I had sage or what it was called on windows
16:21 benrob0329 Being made and maintained by Apple under the Apache2
16:22 Megaf we had standard for decates already
16:22 Megaf it's called...
16:22 Megaf I forgot
16:22 tenplus1 lol
16:22 Megaf postfix? something like that
16:22 Megaf postscript?
16:22 benrob0329 PostScript
16:22 twoelk hm should we trademark >I-forgot< ?
16:23 benrob0329 But even PostScript isn't always perfectly standard as to printer features
16:23 benrob0329 So you have cups configuration files that tell it what features/wierdness the printer has
16:23 benrob0329 Standard on all *nix systems
16:24 tenplus1 had to use cups for an old dotmatrix 9-pin at one time :) it made a driver that worked perfectly :D was well impressed
16:24 twoelk and PS isn't always tha same, lots of dialects, though not as much as tiff
16:24 * Megaf being eaten alive by mosquitos
16:25 tenplus1 eat them back
16:25 tenplus1 all that protein
16:25 Megaf around my feet 20 at least
16:25 benrob0329 Lol, eww
16:25 twoelk yeah regain youre proteins
16:25 Megaf 10 per foot
16:25 twoelk oh, cheesy blood? nope not gonna try that
16:26 Megaf deep fried
16:26 Megaf why not
16:26 * benrob0329 hates mosquitos
16:26 * tenplus1 had crickets before, not bad
16:26 twoelk lets see, 10 per foot? that's longer than an inch for each
16:26 Megaf quite a lot i'd say
16:27 Megaf and there's ~5 mosquitoes for each hand too
16:27 benrob0329 23 square mosquitoes
16:27 twoelk didn't freeze much in this winter yet - might be in for a buzzy summer
16:27 Megaf Oh boy, will never leave this channel. channel is too good
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16:30 tenplus1 hey Krock
16:30 Krock hi tenplus1
16:30 twoelk o/
16:31 Krock ^^
16:31 Krock o/ twoelk
16:31 rubenwardy Megaf: reviewed #6849 :)
16:31 rubenwardy it's a big improvement, and long awaited feature
16:31 rubenwardy well
16:31 rubenwardy heh
16:31 rubenwardy it's a good improvement for quality of life, and has been requested a lot to improve the menu experience
16:32 Jordach link
16:32 tenplus1 Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/min​etest/pull/6849#issue-284698437
16:33 twoelk has the text been shortened?
16:33 rubenwardy not yet, that needs to be done though
16:34 Megaf I'd review the code and suggest editing tho I was asked to not review code because I'm note core deb
16:34 Megaf dev
16:34 twoelk you could review the wording :-P
16:34 rubenwardy anyone can review code
16:34 * tenplus1 reviews a cup of coffee and a donut
16:35 rubenwardy imo anyone should be able to use the review feature
16:35 rubenwardy and paramat should use the CSS to make it more obvious for him
16:35 rubenwardy however, just giving a tick because you like the feature isn't reviewing
16:35 rubenwardy use the emoji responses instead
16:35 * twoelk is reminded reviews his cup and wanders off to the coffee machine
16:36 twoelk is there a tl;dr button?
16:42 Jordach starting MTG in a jungle
16:42 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/St6Is41.gifv
16:42 tenplus1 hahahaha
17:10 * tenplus1 punches all the wood, and breaks his fingers
17:11 tenplus1 ooh, a proper survival game would be amazing, digging for flint and bones to make tools to cut tree etc :)
17:20 twoelk rl or mt?
17:21 tenplus1 lol, mt :)
17:21 twoelk phew
17:21 tenplus1 already done my scout thing in the woods and jungle survival training...
17:22 twoelk I've done it enough to know to enjoy civilization as much as possible :D
17:22 tenplus1 yeah :)
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17:24 twoelk I have a 9y niece who is pretty desperate to have some big adventure --- guess I'll have to volanteer
17:25 twoelk havn't slept in the open for 6or7 years now
17:25 tenplus1 into the woods in search of the rabbit hole
17:26 twoelk she and her brother love running through the woods - just havn't stayed overnight yet
17:26 tenplus1 a decent tent, camping gear and food they like :)
17:27 twoelk I mean sleeping in the woods with all them strange sounds at night
17:27 tenplus1 why? do you fart in your sleep ?
17:27 twoelk lol
17:27 twoelk best way to scare mosquitos away
17:28 tenplus1 ehehehe
17:29 twoelk the last time I tried to sleep in a car with a bunch of kids on board ended in the legoland hotel in billund - too much noise on the parking lot, they just wouldn't sleep until the park opened
17:30 twoelk although they might have been to excited as well :-P
17:30 tenplus1 hahaha, kids :) same with xmas
17:31 twoelk had a great time though
17:31 tenplus1 that's what counts :P
17:33 Fixer Jordach: i'm starting in the tree, usually #paramat
17:33 Jordach jej
17:40 * twoelk imagines a fixer in a paramat tree
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18:06 tenplus1 hi evergreen
18:07 Fixer FINEST
18:08 IhrFussel Someone on my server says they only see a gray screen after joining...I thought that bug was fixed in 0.4.16? Server is even 0.4.17
18:10 sfan5 that bug is only fixed if moods coorperate
18:10 sfan5 in other words: you need at least 0.4.16 AND updated mods
18:14 Fixer lel https://www.youtube.com/watch?ti​me_continue=4&amp;v=nLSk7PKemu0
18:14 IhrFussel sfan5, what needs to be changed in inventory mods exactly?
18:15 sfan5 dunno, look up it
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18:26 tenplus1 hi nerzhul
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18:28 nerzhul hi tenplus1
18:29 tenplus1 o/
18:32 IhrFussel I cannot find anything about a fix for mods, sfinv either never had that issue or the PR name is something entirely different
18:33 rubenwardy wasn't it something to do with detacted inventories?
18:33 rubenwardy I think you need to make sure any attached inventory which are only for a single player are only sent to that single player
18:33 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2958
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18:38 IhrFussel So for example local trash = minetest.create_detached_inventory("trash", { -- FUNCTION end, player_name }) ?
18:38 tenplus1 yeh
18:39 rubenwardy local trash = minetest.create_detached_inventory("trash", {}, player_name)
18:39 rubenwardy where you put callbacks in {}
18:46 IhrFussel Does trash need it too? I mean it's the same for all players
18:55 IhrFussel Is that bug caused by a race condition or what? Cause I didn't see it in a looong time
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19:15 sfan5 no the trash does not need that
19:19 IhrFussel Okay the only detached inventory missing the player_name parameter was 3d_armor (might be fixed in newer versions, I use an older one cause I modified a lot)
19:22 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=19203&amp;p=306640#p306640
19:22 sofar https://github.com/sofar/fsc
19:23 sofar new mod, aimed at making writing secure formspec code simple
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19:29 tenplus1 hi Darcidride_
19:29 Darcidride_ Hi tenplus1
19:29 tenplus1 o.
19:31 sofar *anyone* who writes mods with minetest.show_formspec() should try and use `fsc` if they can, it really helps to break down formspec abuse vectors
19:35 twoelk a working example might be usefull
19:41 sofar the readme has a 90% working example... it's not that hard to stuff it into something
19:41 sofar either I'll post some mods that are converted
19:41 sofar or I'll add an actual example
19:53 Fixer sofar: you mean so bad actors can use fsc to find weak parts in formspecs? :D
19:53 sofar fsc actually makes it really hard to exploit bad fs callbacks
19:54 sofar like, *really* hard
19:55 sofar plus fsc is ... like 90 lines of code?
19:55 sofar 20 of which are the license?
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19:57 tenplus1 o/ aerozoic
19:57 aerozoic hi tenplus1
20:02 Fixer holy ----, new STK 0.9.3 can now run on my preancient ATI
20:03 Fixer yayayayayay
20:03 tenplus1 :P
20:03 Fixer fps pretty good
20:03 Fixer my ass is saved until that mining craze dies
20:04 Fixer videocard prices are ridiculously high
20:04 tenplus1 you can get a really good gfx card (nvidia) for 28 quid...
20:04 tenplus1 fanless no less
20:04 Fixer how much in usd?
20:04 Fixer and what is quid?
20:04 tenplus1 38 dollars
20:04 Fixer fanless will probably suck
20:05 tenplus1 nope, huge heatsink :) keeps it cool but no noise for gaming rigs
20:05 benrob0329 Its squid without the s
20:05 Fixer tenplus1: i have damn noise anyway, 2 fans, 1 on cpu and 1 on psu
20:05 Fixer it sucks
20:05 tenplus1 another reason to go fanless, reduce it
20:05 benrob0329 I'd never buy another nvidia card, not unless the open source drivers become reasonable
20:06 sfan5 so never
20:06 benrob0329 sfan5: yeah pretty much
20:06 Fixer tenplus1: on the other hand, summers are very hot, and funless will probably suck, i need performance, though, i need SSD, but it is not mature enough
20:06 Fixer HDD is getting on my nerves
20:06 Fixer more like Win7 on HDD
20:06 tenplus1 ssds are cheap too now
20:07 tenplus1 240gb for 68 quid
20:07 tenplus1 but yeah, nvidia really need to work on opensource drivers more, ati is kicking their ass on that side of things
20:07 Fixer tenplus1: the way they die worries me
20:07 benrob0329 CUDA sucks, business practices suck, proprietary driver sucks
20:07 benrob0329 *click*
20:07 benrob0329 *click*
20:07 tenplus1 fixer: hdd;'s or ssd;s dying ?
20:07 Fixer i play on win anyway for now, not linux hater or anything
20:08 Fixer tenplus1: ssd, one day it just stops responding in bios and you kinda go into window
20:08 Fixer i dislike this
20:08 tenplus1 ssd's are far more reliable than mechanical drives, and the SMART utils will warn you well in advance before it dies
20:08 benrob0329 HDDs stop working
20:09 benrob0329 Actually SSDs have no moving parts, so they theoretically last longer than HDDs
20:09 shivajiva VanessaE: who should I harass about this https://github.com/minetest-tec​hnic/unified_inventory/pull/104 ?
20:09 benrob0329 sofar?
20:10 benrob0329 He runs MT-Mods afaik
20:10 rubenwardy technic isn't mt-mods
20:10 rubenwardy you want VanessaE or ShadowNinja iirc
20:10 VanessaE not me
20:10 tenplus1 o/ Vanessa
20:10 Krock shivajiva, ping nore
20:11 Krock waiting for merge too. https://github.com/minetest-tec​hnic/unified_inventory/pull/99
20:11 rubenwardy VanessaE, it's unified inventory in the technic org
20:11 VanessaE I don't work on unified inventor anymore
20:11 nore I thought technic was merged in mt-mods?
20:11 VanessaE +y
20:11 Krock 404, https://github.com/minetest-mods/unified_inventory not found
20:12 VanessaE sofar: ^^^^
20:12 nore aaaah, we only transferred technic and not UI
20:12 shivajiva just thought I'd give it a kick and see what happened :)
20:12 benrob0329 Question, why not use sfinv?
20:12 Fixer benrob0329: it is the way they die, i prefer ssd that at least lets me copy its data in read only mode
20:13 VanessaE *kaff*  shivajiva  you stirred up a bunch of dust :P
20:13 Krock benrob0329, because features
20:13 Fixer really sad technic is not in minetest-mods
20:13 Fixer Sad!
20:13 benrob0329 What features? Button based inventories?
20:13 nore technic is: https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic
20:14 Krock built-in crafting guide and descriptive buttons
20:14 nore the other mods are not
20:14 Krock not to forget the quite large mod support
20:14 shivajiva no offence to ruben but UI has a slickness about it that stands out, even if it's a monolith
20:15 Fixer nore: niiice
20:15 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomejudoSR0
20:15 Fixer ha https://github.com/minetes​t-mods/technic/issues/402
20:15 rubenwardy UI would be a lot better if it had a non bile-inducing background and icon set
20:15 rubenwardy and consistent spacing
20:15 tenplus1 hehe
20:15 tenplus1 ui is too bloaty and slow for me
20:15 twoelk not sure that's UI's fault
20:15 nore ShadowNinja: what do you think about transferring the other mods of minetest-technic to minetest-mods?
20:16 Fixer what i dislike in UI is how slow is item page rotation
20:16 benrob0329 I like simple things, sfinv is simple and fast, like the name :P
20:16 Fixer you can't scroll like in NEI in MC, instantly, here it just sucks
20:16 nore VanessaE: ping as well
20:16 * VanessaE hides
20:17 benrob0329 The craftguide mod in Mt-mods is really good for that
20:17 shivajiva so basically it's become orphaned from technic :/
20:17 twoelk UI could be more modular
20:17 ShadowNinja nore: Sounds goood.
20:17 tenplus1 craftguide should be in default or built into inventory somehow
20:17 ShadowNinja good*
20:17 VanessaE nore, fine by me.
20:17 rubenwardy tenplus1, craftguide does that
20:17 red-F00 #6869 talk about confusingly named
20:17 shivajiva yay
20:17 rubenwardy might need an option though, I forget
20:18 rubenwardy I started working on a mod pack which makes sfinv better for hardcore users
20:18 nore sofar: is that okay with you?
20:18 benrob0329 tenplus1: thats not hard, but I kinda like the idea of a reverse craftguide for in-inventory things
20:18 Shara I wouldn't be happy running my creative server with anything over than UI.
20:18 Shara other*
20:18 benrob0329 Tbh I dislike having too many things in the inventory
20:18 rubenwardy ie: helpful buttons (time, home, spawn), bigger inventory, craft guide
20:18 tenplus1 K.I.S.S>
20:18 twoelk if a craftguide was part of default it would need to be easily adapted to other games optical designs
20:19 Shara tenplus1: RC would have WAY too many pages if I switched to any other inventory
20:19 Shara plus I just like how UI works :P
20:19 benrob0329 How hard would it be to make creative give stacks of 99, rather than 100?
20:19 benrob0329 *rather than 1
20:19 rubenwardy too many pages?
20:19 rubenwardy meaning creative
20:19 rubenwardy *?
20:19 Shara Yes
20:19 red-F00 sofar, was planning to write something similar
20:20 Shara RC has crazy numbers of nodes and things
20:20 tenplus1 xdecors craftguide has +/- button to fit more per page
20:20 Shara That's just for recipes though Ten
20:22 benrob0329 tenplus1: thats the same as the one in Mt-mods
20:23 tenplus1 would be nice to have sfinv creative/craftguide in one
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20:23 tenplus1 hi Sokomine
20:24 benrob0329 What if you put an item into the output slot of the crafting grid to reverse it?
20:24 benrob0329 Aka decraft
20:25 tenplus1 why reverse it ?
20:25 benrob0329 Crafting guide
20:25 benrob0329 You find the item, then learn how to make it
20:26 benrob0329 And maybe you find recipies in dungeons, recipy books
20:26 tenplus1 :P
20:26 benrob0329 * recipe books
20:26 benrob0329 If you can reverse craft though, maybe you could get the materials back out of it
20:27 twoelk for some games it would indeed be more fitting if the crafting guide had a more book-like appearance
20:27 benrob0329 The Hitchhiker's Guide to Minetest :P
20:27 tenplus1 eheheh, nice
20:28 benrob0329 Ohh, The Gamer's Guide to the Galaxy
20:28 tenplus1 Minetest's guide to the galaxy
20:28 benrob0329 New game project
20:28 benrob0329 Maybe
20:28 twoelk yeah, with personal notes :-D
20:29 * twoelk types too slowww
20:35 tenplus1 with a craftable babel fish for chat translations :D
20:42 Sokomine we even have a fish tank in homedecor. though iirc the fish didn't like it much in a fish tank and preferred its more natural resting place
20:45 sofar on my lunch plate
20:46 Sokomine well...if you where too tired and your head including ear with fish fell on the plate.....
20:46 tenplus1 lol
20:46 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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20:46 sofar btw
20:46 sofar if anyone wants to play with `fsc` and consider converting their mods to use it, let me know
20:46 sofar I'll be willing to help you do it - it's not too difficult for most basic cases
20:47 sofar I've already converted a ton of code to use fsc (for itb) and it is well tested (and simple)
20:48 nore sofar: can I transfer the minetest-technic mods (at least the major ones) to minetest-mods?
20:49 sofar I'd always quickly review the licenses, but yes, otherwise
20:50 nore UI is code: LGPL v2.1+, textures: WTFPL
20:50 nore should I change the WTFPL to CC0 before or after transferring it?
20:50 nore (or do you want to do it?)
20:51 nore lol, framedglass doesn't seem to have a license?!?
20:51 nore VanessaE: ShadowNinja: ^
20:52 sofar it's not that it needs to change before transferring
20:52 sofar it's more that I'd like to assess reasonable changes and we can implement them later
20:52 nore ok
20:52 sofar I prefer CC-BY-3.0 or CC-BY-4.0 for media as base license, and not CC0
20:53 sofar so if you relicense, just do CC-BY-4.0
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20:54 VanessaE idc about licensing but CC-By-SA is fine by me.  not like we can ask the author :(
20:54 nore hmmmm, strange, transferring didn't ask for a confirmation on minetest-mods side?
20:54 sofar they can still obtain the content with the old license
20:54 sofar you're an owner, you can transfer by yourself
20:54 nore ah, yes
20:55 ShadowNinja nore: Yeah, that's fine.
20:55 nore should have thought about that
20:55 sofar I wouldn't do -SA in this case
20:55 ShadowNinja Not all of the -technic mods are really what I'd consider production-ready.
20:55 sofar that's an unneeded restriction imho
20:55 nore ShadowNinja: is LGPL v2.1+ okay for framedglass as well?
20:55 nore (that is the only other one I was going to transfer though)
20:55 sofar I've come to like the ISC license, it's even shorter than MIT
20:56 sofar I used it in fsc
20:56 paramat hey Megaf =) i didn't ask you to not review code, i want you to, i only asked to not create the official-looking 'approved' icon as it can cause confusion. you can review by leaving line comments and thread comments, please do
20:56 paramat Megaf[m] ^
20:56 sfan5 paramat: github only shows stuff as "approved" if it was a repo member
20:57 ShadowNinja nore: Yeah, that's fine.  It was originally part of technic IIRC, so it would have whatever license technic has.
20:57 sfan5 and the "inline" style is trivially distiguishable via the green vs gray check mark
20:57 nore seems to be LGPL indeed
20:58 nore sofar: I'll transfer framedglass as well, except if it's not okay with you
20:58 red-F00 yeah it's really obvious if it's a collaborator or just anyone reviewing
21:01 sofar nore: fine if you promise to update the licenses :)
21:01 sofar let me know if any forum links need fixing, I can do that
21:01 paramat sfan i know
21:02 sfan5 sure it's unnecessary, but confusion is not the problem IMO
21:04 nore I guess they probably need fixing
21:04 benrob0329 The perfect license imho: Give credit and keep it free (as in speech)
21:07 paramat i'm not too bothered, it's just that a big 'approved' with a tick in the thread looks official, seems to be for official use, and has already caused confusion. i don't like it but ok i'll tolerate it now
21:07 rubenwardy "seems for official"  -> it's not just for official use
21:08 paramat i know, that's what i mean by 'seems'
21:08 sfan5 review sure, but approval?
21:08 sfan5 i'm not sure who at github thought it was a good idea to let randos "approve" PRs
21:08 rubenwardy it is annoying to just have those ticks though without any messages (ie: "I tested this") or any reviews before hand
21:08 paramat and i don't see the colours because i have to use custom webpage colours (for a black background)
21:09 sfan5 i suggest hiding non-colored ticks then, a CSS rule should do the trick
21:10 paramat yes
21:10 paramat can't be bothered, not a big enough issue =)
21:10 rubenwardy I wrote some CSS for you
21:13 red-F00 rubenwardy, yes the idea behind 6528 was that changes in the client config (e.g. view range) don't get written to the server config
21:13 red-F00 I suppose it might have been a better idea to also make the server config a global
21:13 paramat thanks for the CSS
21:14 rubenwardy > added team doors less than 10 minutes ago
21:14 rubenwardy > already being abused
21:14 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/0p8he4UvDv.png
21:15 sfan5 haha
21:16 paramat rubenwardy see https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/3827#issuecomment-354876525 maybe your +1 needs reconsidering?
21:17 Shara rubenwardy: that might have been my fault :P
21:17 rubenwardy lol!
21:17 Shara I happened to have four doors and nothing else, and noticed no one had built any defence :)
21:17 rubenwardy note that the enemy can dig the doors
21:17 Shara Yea, figured
21:22 Megaf paramat: Ok, understood.
21:22 Megaf notive my understanding problme above ^
21:23 Megaf that's why you (plural you, everyone) have to be very very very clear to when you talk to me
21:23 Megaf And oh boy, is it hot in here
21:27 sofar rubenwardy: just make it impossible to place them side-by-side
21:28 rubenwardy yeah, working on that
21:28 sofar but, I find it hilarious
21:28 Megaf meh, I seem to have been logged out from GitHub in all my browsers
21:29 sofar one day I need to poke at ctf code and spot some exploits :)
21:29 Megaf and I have two factor auth enabled, and my phone just broke
21:30 sofar I think I was smart and copied the recovery codes to my keepassx
21:30 sofar and I spread those around to like 3-4 places, lol
21:31 Fixer Megaf: place sim into other phone?
21:31 Megaf problem is I use an app
21:31 Megaf that generates codes, for a number of auths
21:31 Megaf not only GitHub
21:31 Fixer okay, move along
21:33 Megaf Yay, still logged in on Firefox Nightly
21:35 sofar duo mobile is what I use on my phone
21:35 sofar afk espresso run
21:36 * Megaf doesnt understand
21:36 sofar duo mobile == 2fa app
21:36 sofar it's what I use to get github 2fa tokens
21:37 rubenwardy did you not download back up codes?
21:37 rubenwardy also, duo and google authenticater both implement TOTP 2FA codes
21:37 rubenwardy it's a standard
21:38 * Megaf doesnt get it
21:38 Megaf besides, I have a pulsating type of headache right now
21:38 Megaf not feeling good at all
21:39 * Megaf grabs some paracetamol
21:39 * Megaf grabs a glass of cocoa milk
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21:40 Megaf Hello CBugDCoder
21:40 nore sofar: license for images of UI should be fixed, could you review please?
21:40 CBugDCoder hi Megaf
21:46 Megaf sofar: rubenwardy: How does that helps me?
21:46 Megaf the TOTP 2FA thing
21:47 rubenwardy it doesn't
21:47 rubenwardy if you don't have any backup codes you're fucked
21:47 Megaf I have for some stuff, Not sure if I had for GitHub
21:47 Megaf lemme check
21:47 rubenwardy well, you can try talking to github, but they say that they won't allow you to disable it in their 2FA docs
21:48 Megaf "Bryan Lunduke has started sharing with you!"
21:49 Megaf wow!
21:52 nore sofar: framedglass should be fixed as well
21:52 nore (btw, I hate license-tracing files)
21:54 Megaf well, I didnt find backup codes, though I found backup from some bitcoin wallets I had lost several years ago
21:54 sofar har
21:54 Megaf 05/05/2012 backup date
21:55 Megaf hopefuly I will have some money there
21:55 nore how much has bitcoin increased since then? *100?
21:55 sofar nore: datastorage seems entirely obsolete atm, so yeah, no need to move that I think
21:55 nore sofar: yup, wasn't going to move it anyway
21:55 nore although it is an optional dependency of ui for waypoints
21:56 nore maybe that should be rewritten, possibly with compat code to import from old saves
21:56 sofar maybe move that to mod_storage then
21:56 sofar yes
21:56 sofar player waypoints should go to player attributes maybe
21:57 nore yep
21:57 Megaf welp, I'm screwed. No backup codes backuo
21:57 sofar and you can't get them through your logged in session?
21:57 nore also, the license for the textures of UI are not the ones which were implied
21:57 sofar how badly dead is your phone?
21:58 nore (there's a LGPL image and a GPL one)
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22:06 rubenwardy nore, not quite
22:06 rubenwardy 2700x
22:06 rubenwardy Megaf: how many coins do you have?
22:06 nore ah indeed
22:06 Megaf rubenwardy: no idea
22:07 Megaf All I have are the private keys for my wallet
22:07 Megaf I dont know how to restore it
22:08 Megaf rubenwardy: any idea how do I use these codes?
22:08 rubenwardy not really
22:09 rubenwardy I think you can download a bitcoin wallet, and import the keys, to see the balance
22:09 rubenwardy to get the money out you need to use an exchance
22:09 rubenwardy *exchange
22:14 Megaf yep, was thinking about that
22:15 Megaf $ file Bitcoin\ Wallet\ private\ key\ backup
22:15 Megaf Bitcoin Wallet private key backup: openssl enc'd data with salted password, base64 encoded
22:15 Megaf oh boy
22:16 Megaf it has a password
22:16 Megaf I will never get access to that again
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22:18 tumeninodes so apparently, when I said "12 hrs left to go" on my North American map conversion (more than 12 hrs ago)..., that was just for half the map :P
22:18 sofar haha
22:18 sofar btw
22:18 sofar what map are you converting?
22:18 tumeninodes currently now at 16hrs left and approx 60,000+ chunks to go
22:18 sofar and, using mcimport or something else?
22:19 nore ShadowNinja has a fast map converter in C++, but it has less features than mcimport
22:19 sofar SN's version got a lot better, at some point I should do some work on it to make it "palatable"
22:19 tumeninodes It is the North American map by the same guy, using mcimport
22:19 sofar I have a version with broken trees, sadly
22:20 sofar but, a map without trees isn't so bad for what it was used for
22:20 tumeninodes broken trees? haha high winds
22:20 nore I guess the best course of action would be to merge all features of mcimport in the C++ version and then develop the C++ one instead
22:21 tumeninodes well take into consideration my machine is probably half as beast as sofar's
22:21 sofar nono, the machine I used was a 2011 nehalem
22:22 sofar not a really new cpu with good single-core performance
22:22 sofar it wasn't a bad cpu, but definitely nothing super new
22:22 tumeninodes Well, I'm hefting an AMD A8
22:22 sofar haha, ok
22:22 tumeninodes http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mappi​ng-and-modding-java-edition/maps/1533625-n​orth-america-1-1500-scale-in-minecraft-12k
22:23 sofar yes that's about as bad, if not worse ;)
22:23 tumeninodes :P
22:23 tumeninodes I could have done worse and used my athlon xp :D
22:23 sofar there are several problems with the conversion of his maps
22:23 sofar I've tweaked mcimport to correct for some of the issues
22:24 tumeninodes wait, don't spoil the disappointment for me
22:24 sofar I won't :)
22:24 tumeninodes I want to fall to my death for 22 hrs to compensate
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22:26 tumeninodes I am eager to find out how it does though. I actually started repainting a spare room to divert my attention
22:27 tumeninodes paramat, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/issues/1570#issuecomment-354614034
22:30 Fixer it is sad they renamed minecraft to minecraft java edition, like it is second class
22:31 rubenwardy well it is now
22:31 tumeninodes wait... it's not?
22:32 Fixer mcw10 edition can't even run on older OS, it is dumb
22:32 Fixer not really dumb, but ms pushing w10
22:32 tumeninodes ms wants to erase their past war crimes
22:33 Fixer i did wrong by starting this offtopic
22:34 tumeninodes nah, it's brief
22:34 Fixer java one is very powerful, huge modbase, runs everywhere, a bit slow compared to bedrock engine (not really a problem)
22:35 ShadowNinja tumeninodes: My C++ mapper is about 100x faster.  I think it needs some tweaks to orientations though...
22:35 Fixer anyone tried [WIP] Dynamic Shadows #6839 ?
22:35 paramat yes will test those textures
22:36 rubenwardy Fixer, nothing to try
22:36 ShadowNinja It also supports doors on block boundaries which mcimport doesn't iirc.
22:36 Fixer rubenwardy: ?
22:36 rubenwardy it doesn't work
22:37 Fixer but maybe it does now?
22:37 Fixer you tried latest?
22:37 tumeninodes ShadowNinja, I will wait eagerly to test it
22:37 rubenwardy yep
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23:05 red-F00 ShadowNinja, could you have your bot also do that PR link thing here?
23:07 Fixer http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980​422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
23:08 Fixer pretty serious problem
23:14 * Calinou watches as people panic over it
23:15 red-F00 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/​a89f040fa34ec9cd682aed98b8f04e3c47d998bd#​diff-678874d00bf0df04f6f427f16f1dea36R902
23:21 Fixer Calinou: not really
23:22 red-F00 Calinou, needs a catchy name
23:22 Fixer Calinou: what is bad is perf loss
23:22 red-F00 if it doesn't have a catchy name it didn't happen
23:23 tumeninodes leakgate
23:23 Fixer rumors like 5-60% perf loss on Skylake in certain situations
23:25 ShadowNinja #123 (test)
23:25 Calinou red-F00: CPUbleed
23:25 * Calinou trademarks it
23:25 rubenwardy ShadowNinja, I banned the bot from this channel
23:25 rubenwardy because it was useless and conflicting with MTB
23:26 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Ah, I'll have to override the previx here too.
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23:29 ShadowBot joined #minetest-hub
23:29 ShadowNinja ~config channel #minetest-hub reply.whenaddressedby.chars '~'
23:29 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
23:29 rubenwardy #123
23:29 red-F00 #1
23:30 Megaf Downloading a wallet here, wish me luck
23:30 ShadowNinja #123
23:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/123 -- crashes after about 10 seconds on game start
23:31 rubenwardy lol
23:32 ShadowNinja web#1
23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/​minetest.github.io/issues/1 -- Credits link to ohloh instead of OpenHub
23:32 ShadowNinja Should all work now.
23:32 rubenwardy thanks
23:32 rubenwardy !help
23:32 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
23:32 rubenwardy !rainbow #3
23:32 MinetestBot #​3
23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3 -- Furnace segfault
23:32 rubenwardy lol!
23:32 red-F00 can someone change the title of #6858 to be less misleading all password storage is vulnerable to cracking, maybe like "Change to a more secure password hashing method"
23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6858 -- Passwords storage using SRP vulnerable to offline attack
23:33 rubenwardy !rainbow ~help
23:33 MinetestBot ~help
23:33 red-F00 !rev 100-der nees!
23:33 MinetestBot !seen red-001
23:33 red-F00 !rev 1#
23:33 MinetestBot #1
23:34 Jordach >expecting the bots to not have blacklists of certain nicks
23:34 rubenwardy I guess SB ignores MTB
23:34 red-F00 !rev 100-der nees~
23:34 MinetestBot ~seen red-001
23:34 red-F00 ~seen red-001
23:34 ShadowBot red-F00: I saw red-001 in #minetest-hub 6 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 20 seconds ago saying "Jordach, you got scammed they only gave you 7 "e"'s you need at least 11"
23:34 red-F00 lol
23:35 Jordach reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
23:36 tumeninodes hmmm looks as though Jordach was compensated
23:45 nerzhul !help
23:45 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
23:45 nerzhul ~help
23:45 ShadowBot nerzhul: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
23:46 nerzhul ~help VanessaE make MT great again
23:46 ShadowBot nerzhul: Error: There is no command "vanessae make mt great again".
23:46 nerzhul :(
23:46 nerzhul see you later :p
23:46 Fixer Vanessa is not a plugin
23:46 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=19204
23:47 nerzhul Fixer, are you sure ? :D
23:48 Fixer no more drinks for nerzhul today
23:53 * VanessaE process exited with signal SIGSEGV

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