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01:13 Megaf most truthful affirmation ever https://i.imgur.com/4J0IJoX.jpg
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01:16 * Shara is finally home
01:16 Shara Hi everyone
01:16 ThomasMonroe YAY how was your flight?
01:17 Shara This one was good and wonderfully straightforward after the delays/cancellations yesterday
01:21 paramat good
01:28 Shara Thanks paramat, and nice to see you are thinking about adding ferns :)
01:59 paramat doing it now
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03:41 CBugDCoder I just thought of an idea for the inventory. IK that the inventory is now composed of meshes and I think that it would be nice if you can override the generated item-mesh in the item/tool def with item_mesh = "random_mesh_name.obj"
03:45 CBugDCoder same with the wield mesh
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10:18 twoelk merry christmas to you all :-D
10:19 twoelk hope that everybody has arrived where they want to spend the xmasssy days
11:24 Shara twoelk: right back at you :)
11:26 Jordach Shara: meanwhile https://i.imgur.com/DtRoPJz.jpg
11:36 Shara Jordach: Meow :)
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12:02 * twoelk is off to church to see his brother's kids
12:03 twoelk so happy seasonal greetings to everybody and have some cosey days
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12:03 shivajiva something special about kids singing in church :D
12:04 shivajiva Seasons greetings twoelk, have fun :)
12:04 * twoelk gazes at the rain outside and puts on waterproof stuff
12:04 Shara :)
12:04 twoelk sniff, no snow anywhere near
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12:38 Megaf Good morning
12:43 Megaf Anyone willing to help me track down some missing nodes in my server?
12:45 sfan5 missing = ?
12:51 rubenwardy Shara, Jordach, meanwhile https://i.rubenwardy.com/M5WwIo96Ff.jpg
12:54 IhrFussel Okay max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client doesn't seem to change anything about the map load lag and I couldn't even see an increase even though I set it to 15 (I imagined blocks would appear super fast on the client then)
12:56 IhrFussel max_block_send_distance is partially useless since you cannot force the amount the client gets
12:57 IhrFussel So it could only reduce lag on clients with very high view range which is only a very small portion of my userbase
13:01 IhrFussel It *has to* be the map still..it's more than obvious when 4 players are iding and max_lag drops to 0.2 and *as soon as* someone teleports somewhere it spikes back to ~ 1 sec ... will I really have to remove some teleport options?
13:01 IhrFussel idling*
13:07 Jordach rubenwardy: meanwhile https://i.imgur.com/aetq8aX.jpg
13:08 * Shara was just wearing her cat as a scarf
13:16 Megaf Ok, I need help with nether folks, please
13:16 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/nether-pack/issues/4
13:20 * Megaf looks at rubenwardy
13:21 Megaf sfan5: Right now server wont even start properly because nether is crashing it
13:21 Megaf on that note. Thumbs up for Minetest for not corrupting anything even with so many crashes
13:22 Megaf Minetest, at least for me, has been very reliable in its map store thing
13:29 Megaf MinetestBot!
13:29 MinetestBot Megaf!
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13:53 Megaf sfan5: these nodes are missing, I think they are either missing aliases or some incompatibility with moreblocks http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/TOD​O/src/master/Missing%20nodes.md
13:54 sfan5 those doors are of the old types
13:54 sfan5 should have aliases
13:58 Megaf Giant **working** travelnet box my players built https://imgur.com/a/vzliu
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14:09 Megaf https://github.com/minetest-mod​s/homedecor_modpack/issues/401
14:09 Megaf !title
14:09 MinetestBot Megaf: Crash when placing vending machine. gastronomy.lua:227: attempt to index global 'creative' (a nil value) · Issue #401 · minetest-mods/homedecor_modpac[...]
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14:14 IhrFussel Megaf, homedecor depends on creative now, VanessaE added it to depends.txt (unless she only added it to one of the mods inside the modpacks)
14:15 IhrFussel modpack*
14:15 Megaf wait, maybe that was fixed
14:16 IhrFussel depends.txt depend on mt_game 'creative' mod 9 days ago yep
14:17 Megaf yep
14:18 Megaf I'm not happy with that "fix"
14:53 Fixer Jordach: was loading from right to left, and then rotated, creepy
14:53 Jordach eh
14:57 Megaf IhrFussel: can you join my server again? max lag is 0.8 with max lbock send distance to 10 and simultaneous to 32
14:57 Megaf per player
14:58 Megaf and how to we fix the sneak stairs stuff?
14:58 Megaf I want sneak back
15:00 IhrFussel Megaf, address again?
15:00 Megaf eh
15:00 Megaf no idea
15:00 Megaf hold on
15:03 IhrFussel Megaf, got it
15:07 IhrFussel max send distance only affects clients who set their view range to something ver high so it doesn't help with lag at all or only in rare cases ... if the client set the view range to 30 (Android default) it will only send a distance of 2-3
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15:10 IhrFussel And I really want to know how the "simultaneous" block sends are working...I see NO difference at all regarding mapblock loading no matter if I set that to 3, 5, 10 or 15
15:21 Megaf Thomas-S: http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/TOD​O/src/master/Missing%20nodes.md
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15:25 Thomas-S Megaf: The missing streets nodes are actually covered by https://github.com/Thomas--S/streets_com​patibility/blob/master/init.lua#L44-L46
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17:20 Sokomine Megaf: seems your players love teleporting :-)
17:21 Sokomine teleporting causing lag does sound strange. yes, the server's got to do some things, but it ought to be not that much. /home has been around for quite a while. /spawn on servers as well. players teleported between those, died etc.
17:23 IhrFussel Sokomine, my server suffers from the exact same lag as Megaf's though so it's not a hardware fault ... I am running the mod profiler again currently to see if it's really something outside of mods that's causing those spikes
17:23 Sokomine do lbms have an inpact? they may happen after loading a mapblock
17:24 Krock Megaf, what's your server version? (git hash)
17:25 Krock nvm
17:25 Krock at least the one on port 30003 seems to be protocol version < 36
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17:27 IhrFussel Walking into 1 direction without fast -> max_lag 0.3 ... Running into the same direction -> max_lag 0.5 ... Teleporting to an unloaded area -> max_lag 0.7
17:28 IhrFussel And that's with just 1 player
17:29 Sokomine are you trying this in a test world where experiments won't hurt the real map? if so: what happens if you load it with no mods at all? not even mtg and default
17:29 IhrFussel And as you can see no mod caused a higher lag than 28ms so far: total:                                                  |        32 |     27567 |       640 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0
17:30 IhrFussel I created a new world with no mods and moving a bit fast on that map spike the max_lag to 1.X as well
17:31 IhrFussel It has to be the engine if the mod lag is below 30ms right now but max_lag shows 0.7 *right after* teleporting
17:32 IhrFussel I stopped teleporting and max_lag slowly goes down to 0.3 again
17:34 IhrFussel Sokomine, you need to imagine that loading a full 360° range around the player will take about 4 times as long as just loading 1 row (when the player has loaded blocks around him and walks into one direction)
17:36 IhrFussel But the lag that happens after teleporting varies depending on what kind of area needs to be loaded, which is logical
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17:49 Sokomine hm. yes, there are more blocks to send. still...it's just small chunks of data beeing read from a database and sent on to clients. compared to actually parsing and displaying those blocks on the client's side it ought to be almost trivial
17:50 Sokomine at least as long as the range is limited
17:52 Sokomine have you tried running a much older version of mt in order to check how it was back then?
17:57 Shara Hmm, doing a random christmas give away on one of my servers = fun
18:16 Megaf aBack
18:17 Megaf Thomas-S: you said it wasnt very secure to use that yet
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18:27 Megaf VanessaE: yep, I had forgoten about that... Told you my brain doesnt work well either
18:27 Megaf Krock: its a more or less recent build, from this week
18:29 Krock the one on port 30003?
18:29 Krock that appears to be stable 0.4.16 or something similar
18:39 Megaf paramat: server stopped crashing since I added the print line
18:39 Megaf was that expected?
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19:00 Megaf Krock: yep, 30003, it is 0.4.16
19:00 Krock had to reduce the curl parallel limit. apparently it crashes my connection
19:02 Megaf Im sending 32 blocks at the same time
19:03 Megaf done, reduced settings to a more conervative value
19:03 Megaf I just left the server tho
19:03 Megaf max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 2
19:03 Megaf max_block_send_distance = 4
19:09 Megaf paramat: well, it has just crashed
19:10 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-12-24 19:05:11: [Server] Hamza568 [39.46.94.24] joins game.
19:10 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-12-24 19:05:11: [Server] Hamza568 joins game. List of players: Hamza568
19:10 Megaf [nether] generates at: x=[-512; -433]; y=[-19952; -19873]; z=[-352; -273]
19:10 Megaf [nether] nodes set after ca. 0.92s
19:10 Megaf ]Segmentation fault
19:11 paramat yeah the print shouldn't stop a crash, try to find what was printed in terminal by the print line
19:11 paramat paste the whole terminal output in your repo thread
19:12 paramat (well the last lines before the crash)
19:19 Fixer everybody move your body
19:19 VanessaE no.
19:24 Krock + y
19:25 IhrFussel Krock, it's weird, when I select his message I see the y
19:26 Krock oh yes. Weird hexchat
19:27 Megaf nothing usedful before the segfault paramat
19:27 Megaf Fixer: how did you write that, it shows in a smaller font here
19:27 IhrFussel So if I cannot fix my server I will have to implement a "lag check" into my heavy mods that pause when it's too much
19:28 IhrFussel server lag*
19:28 Fixer Megaf: https://lingojam.com/vaporwavetextgenerator
19:28 Megaf paramat: these were the last lines from nether before the segfault
19:28 Megaf nether:dirt_top
19:28 Megaf nether:grass_big
19:28 Megaf nether:dirt_top
19:29 Krock Fixer, they translate "Oh my gosh! Vaporwave" to "I'm going to the station."
19:29 Krock or is that just a random japanese sentence generator?
19:30 Megaf MacBook Pro
19:31 Megaf 𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔦𝔰 𝔉𝔞𝔫𝔠𝔶
19:31 Megaf Oo
19:31 Megaf 😾🐊  ᕼ𝑜ω 𝔻𝐨E𝕤 тH𝓪ⓣ ẸⓥⒺŇ ᗯ𝕠𝓻ᛕ𝓼!?  ♚☆
19:32 VanessaE unicode.
19:32 Megaf ЦPΛ GЯΣΣK ƧƬYPΣ
19:33 Megaf (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ I like potatoes. ♥
19:33 * Megaf stopped
19:33 Megaf ^https://lingojam.com/FancyTextGenerator
19:33 Krock 🎅🎄🎉🎊
19:33 Krock Megaf, http://www.eeemo.net/
19:34 Sokomine wish carts would act less strange...and the player's yaw would rotate according to the cart
19:34 Megaf 01001000 01101001 00100000 01001011 01110010 01101111 01100011 01101011
19:35 paramat hm ok
19:36 Krock Sokomine, the view?
19:36 Krock cinematic currently makes this impossible :/
19:36 paramat maybe look at debug.txt for more information. so now you have no useful backtrace?
19:36 Megaf Set in order ten pins were. The zones merge in the central part of town.
19:37 Krock Sokomine, because the player model is rotated the right way
19:37 Megaf Im afraid my debug doesnt write error messages paramat
19:39 paramat well best remove that print line for now, it was just to try and print out the value of 'nd'
19:39 Megaf Sokomine, i totally concur yond playeth'r position shouldst changeth with the cart. I bethink t is quite doable since boats art able to doth yond. P'rhaps carts couldst b'rrow some code from boats
19:40 Megaf paramat: basically nd is every single nether node
19:40 * Krock gives Megaf a wrench for his keyboard
19:40 Megaf lmao
19:40 Megaf thats old English
19:41 Megaf and the binary code was for you...
19:43 Megaf cya
19:44 Krock "Hi Krock". Hi Megaf.
19:44 paramat Megaf i'm confused, you seem to be working in 2 separate branches, are all fixes added to your master branch?
19:45 paramat for example have you done this in master? https://github.com/Megaf/nether-pack​/commit/175db7fd45730a4236b63bd6457d​11526e3a587f#commitcomment-26414235
19:48 paramat the work you did in your 'vector extras integrating' branch has not been done in your master branch, why?
19:49 paramat all the fixes we have worked through have to be in one branch, please combine them
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19:51 paramat ^ Megaf[m]
19:58 Sokomine Krock: the client might let the player rotate. it'd make me less sick while trying to ride a cart
19:59 * Sokomine looks puzzled at megaf who seems to have fallen back to older english
20:09 Megaf Oo
20:10 * Sokomine takes Megaf and puts him into an rpg world as an npc
20:10 * Megaf runs, fast
20:11 Megaf Sokomine: Will I get cookies?
20:11 Sokomine Megaf: if the players feed you well...but i'm afraid apples will be more likely. or cobble
20:12 * Megaf keeps running, even faster now, Away from RPG world
20:13 Sokomine hope you've good wood for a boat...
20:14 Megaf I have a boat
20:14 Megaf Should have an UFO too
20:14 Megaf Sokomine: and I dont think you have a house on Megaf Server btw.
20:14 Megaf I will make my server public as soon as I fix nether
20:15 IhrFussel Adding dtime of the recent 5 secs and then dividing by the amount should give a fairly well lag report correct?
20:16 IhrFussel I mean a lag indicator for my mods
20:19 IhrFussel All I need to do now it depend my other mods on the lag indicator one and check for its critical state global var
20:19 Sokomine Megaf: i'm sure i did have on an older map
20:20 Megaf IhrFussel: have my server address handy there?
20:20 Megaf IhrFussel: nevermind
20:20 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
20:20 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms)
20:20 Megaf Sokomine: ^
20:20 Megaf !tell paramat https://github.com/Megaf/nether-p​ack/pull/5#issuecomment-353801581
20:20 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when paramat is around
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20:29 paramat that's better =)
20:33 Megaf paramat: I will remove the other branches now
20:33 Megaf I think I merged everything already
20:36 Megaf Little cabin I'm building in Nether https://i.imgur.com/H6pdMUx.png
20:36 Megaf with netehr stuff
20:36 paramat unfortunately for you, hybriddog has been a bit sloppy :)
20:37 Megaf a bit?
20:37 Megaf paramat: I can fix everything and improve. I just need some help, And you have been providing great help. So I believe that slowly we can make this mod a great mod.
20:38 Megaf paramat: though with you mapgen experience you could easily redo the nether mod
20:41 paramat i already did with pilzadam's nether mod
20:43 Megaf heh, slow improvements in nether-pack it is then
20:45 Megaf paramat: I already asked my crashed (an experienced Megaf Server player) to come and crash my server in nether.
20:46 Megaf lets see if our fixes fixed it or not
20:46 Megaf [6:44 PM] Megaf: @John Smith @Jessch8281 I need some server crashing again, I'm in nether
20:46 Megaf [6:45 PM] John Smith: coming
20:46 Megaf best players
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21:06 rubenwardy cool, custom command works
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21:12 Megaf 19:12 [ChanServ] You are not authorized to (de)voice rubenwardy on #minetest-hub.
21:12 Megaf =/
21:13 rubenwardy heh
21:13 * Shara wonders what Megaf expected :P
21:14 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/hUSbXMtnAj.png
21:14 Megaf A hug?
21:14 rubenwardy kinda an abuse of the userlist system
21:14 Krock nice dark theme
21:15 rubenwardy Doesn't work on mods!
21:15 rubenwardy :P
21:15 rubenwardy thanks, ripped it from Hexchat's theme website to match Arc Dark
21:15 Megaf arc!!! I've been trying to remember this theeme name for ages!
21:20 Megaf there, my desktop with Arc-Dark https://imgur.com/a/sHsjq
21:20 Megaf rubenwardy:               ^
21:20 rubenwardy very nice :D
21:21 Megaf GTK theme I keep changing between Arch and Numix
21:21 Megaf and for Icon I keep swaping Numix and Breeze
21:21 Megaf s/Arch/Arc
21:22 Megaf ^ Many years of Arch Linux, got used to writing Arch
21:23 Megaf Calinou: I just figured out I can actually drop the nick list inside the channel list so I have them in tabs
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21:27 Calinou hi :)
21:27 Calinou merry Christmas!
21:27 Megaf merry Christmas Calinou :D
21:27 Calinou I'm at my grandfather's place
21:30 Megaf I'm going to mine in 5 min or so
21:30 Megaf cya
21:38 EvergreenTree o/ merry christmas everyone
21:39 EvergreenTree Speaking of Arc: https://imgur.com/a/3u22V
21:49 ThomasMonroe merry Christmas all
23:09 Jordach christmas hugs for all
23:26 sfan5 for me please
23:28 Calinou /giveme christmas:hug -1
23:56 Megaf Merry Jesus birthday ThomasMonroe :D

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