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00:01 Jordach sofar, there's a sky packet?
00:02 Jordach all i want to do is overlay alpha textures onto the dynamic skybox
00:30 Jordach +
00:32 Fixer alpha textures...
00:50 Megaf [16:18:07] <IhrFussel> benrob0329, my server is free but not open-source... many of my mods are unique modifications I don't want to share to prevent copy cats from using what makes my server so unique
00:50 Megaf same
00:50 Megaf I have many unique mods
00:53 rubenwardy congrats
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01:08 Megaf rubenwardy: lol
01:08 Megaf My best mod is one that I didnt create myself but I updated them, more_blocks
01:08 Megaf just amazing mod
01:08 Megaf Thankfully it is with minetest-mods now
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03:13 Megaf good night
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06:04 sofar https://i.imgur.com/KS0VJp9.png <- differently colored sky?
06:15 benrob0329 sofar: looks nice, it makes it feel like a bright sunshiny day
06:16 benrob0329 more cartoony, which can be good or bad
06:17 sofar the green was just a gag, really, but e.g. dark blue and shades of orange may work really well
06:18 sofar as well as various shades of white/gray for dark and moody days
06:18 benrob0329 it could work depending on the feel of the game
06:19 sofar it needs careful use, not hello kitty adventure island style
06:19 benrob0329 I'm scared to know what horrid colors were chosen for that
06:20 sofar pink, obviously
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06:29 tumeninodes mod needed on the forum, new member smith
06:29 sofar already banned
06:29 tumeninodes excellent
06:33 tumeninodes hey... can you work colour blends into the sky, or just single colour?
06:38 sofar the sky code does a bunch of blending already, so best to not interfere with that
06:38 sofar then it'll work nicely in various conditions
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06:57 tumeninodes logical thinking..., I like it
06:58 tumeninodes it's half past old people's bedtime... nite
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10:02 Megaf Good morning folks
10:14 Megaf I think we should have a channel just for server admins :|
10:18 Calinou hi
10:23 Megaf So, Im Brazil now, and still almost speaking in English to people. Brain still working in English
10:33 Raven262 Hi Megaf, Calinou
10:33 Megaf Hi Raven262
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12:17 Megaf What's my servers address again?
12:19 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
12:19 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms)
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13:35 Mr_Pardison morning/afternoon/evening twoelk
13:35 twoelk o/
13:37 * twoelk repoints some channels that moved from inchra to freenode
13:43 twoelk duh, so many dead channels in my old channel list :-(
13:51 VanessaE sorry for such short notice, twoelk
13:51 twoelk no problem
13:52 VanessaE With ShadowNinja just plain gone, I just don't have the time or the mental budget to keep up, so I discontinued my inchra server and moved my minetest instances to freenode #ve-minetest-servers
13:55 twoelk lol - how do I quit a connection that doesn't respond correctly?
13:56 * Mr-Pardison pokes Sokomine and hands them some gingerbread person shaped sugar cookies
13:56 Jordach twoelk, unplug ethernet, disconnect from wifi
13:57 twoelk yeah and then reconnect everything again - I should have added - how do I do it gracefully
13:59 Mr-Pardison maybe sacrifice grace for speed?
13:59 Mr-Pardison but then you make mistakes with speed so.... no.
14:01 twoelk this is stupid, there must be some command to stop failing line buildups ............
14:02 twoelk <- insert some curses
14:02 twoelk argh!!
14:02 Mr-Pardison fudge nuggets.
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14:07 twoelk does anybody else use KVIrc ?
14:08 * Mr-Pardison uses Kiwiirc
14:09 Fixer twoelk: ncurses inserted
15:00 benrob0329 Its a beautiful 40° day here in Michigan
15:01 Mr-Pardison and on the lower half of the states it's 61 degrees F and rainy.
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15:07 twoelk we got the usuall grey, slushy wet and cold but not freezing first part of winter weather (usually it gets somewhat whiter in the second half)
15:07 Mr-Pardison we rarely get snow and if we do it's not much.
15:08 twoelk snow has gotten rarer
15:08 twoelk so has ice
15:08 benrob0329 Oh its wet here too, but its melted enough that the cement is clear
15:09 twoelk I miss the skating on ponds and streems
15:09 benrob0329 twoelk: tell that to the northern states
15:09 benrob0329 We got record breaking snowfall a few years ago iirc
15:10 twoelk it's been quit some years since I last walked on sea ice on the baltic :-(
15:10 Fixer please use Celsius
15:10 benrob0329 At least for anything recent
15:11 benrob0329 Fixer: 4° C
15:11 Fixer ty
15:12 benrob0329 The winter coat was getting a little warm as a matter of fact
15:12 Fixer americanos have very weird cloth style in winter
15:13 Fixer in North
15:13 benrob0329 Fixer: coats, pants, hats
15:13 benrob0329 What's wierd about it?
15:14 Fixer friends that live there noticed its weirdness
15:14 Jordach i'm mostly immune to the cold
15:14 Fixer Jordach: UKs winters are ----
15:14 Jordach Fixer, -2C last night
15:15 Mr-Pardison Jordach: what about the heat of a Texas summer?
15:15 twoelk Jordach: you might feel so but your body would be as vurnerable as any
15:16 Jordach twoelk, there's a reason why i overheat nearly instantly above 24C
15:16 Fixer Jordach: ?
15:16 twoelk fun fact, all british I know don't get allong well with heat
15:16 Jordach recently, instead of breaking down food and drink the normal way, with caloires being the output, they're instead directed into heating
15:17 Jordach i have to almost crash out myself just to stay cool
15:17 twoelk including my kentish born nephew
15:18 Fixer twoelk: it is not like UK has big heat
15:18 twoelk still, britsh freeze to death just as easy as all others or else scott would have survived
15:18 Fixer EU continental summers suck so much, i'm fed up with this heat
15:19 Fixer i'm ok with 30C, but not 40C
15:19 Fixer leave your 40C to Africa
15:19 benrob0329 Then there's Michigan, -20F wind chill to 100F blistering heat
15:19 twoelk I'm always amazed how much the weather differs between the west baltic coast and Berlin for example
15:20 Fixer oceanic vs continental
15:20 Fixer continental is hot summer and cold winter
15:20 twoelk northsea is like 10°c in summer and 10°c in winter :-P
15:21 twoelk while Berlin is allready more continental compared to that
15:21 Mr-Pardison Fixer: forget Africa, Try Texas summer heat.
15:21 twoelk bah, been there, done that
15:22 twoelk lived in saudiland, lived on borneo ; texans stop complainin' :-P
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15:36 Megaf_ MinetestBot!
15:36 MinetestBot Megaf_!
15:38 Megaf_ twoelk: /ns ghost nick and then /ns release nicj
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15:38 twoelk Megaf_: ?
15:42 Megaf_ MinetestBot!
15:42 MinetestBot Megaf_!
15:42 twoelk if it's about stopping the reconnect script for a single failing connection while not disabling it completely and not disconnecting all other live connections - the sollution in KVIrc is shift+leftclick on the  item in the tree view
15:43 twoelk as discussed on #kviirc
15:43 Megaf_ That will make freenode disconnect you
15:44 Megaf_ the ghost command
15:44 twoelk oops kvirc of course
15:44 Megaf_ so it works independent from the IRC client
15:44 Megaf_ And I used to use kvirc, back in 2005
15:44 twoelk you cannot disconnect what never connects
15:44 Megaf_ 2005 was more than 10 years ago :S
15:45 Megaf_ oh boy
15:45 * Megaf_ feeling old
15:45 twoelk hehe, can't be older than me
15:46 OldGaf Sure you are not the eldest in this channel either
15:46 * twoelk wonders where his fidonet node is gone
15:46 benrob0329 Megaf_: new Doctor who is 12 years old, soon to be 13
15:46 twoelk there are only a handfull in my age I know of
15:47 Megaf twoelk: well, you older our younger than 47?
15:47 benrob0329 BTTF is 32 years old
15:47 Megaf What's BTTF?
15:48 benrob0329 Back To The Future :P
15:48 Megaf ah
15:48 Megaf yep
15:49 Megaf well, I've met lots of 30+ and 40+ stupid people and some 8 years old that were quite amazing, with a fantastic English and amazing building skills
15:49 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/e8TZbze72Bc
15:50 Mr-Pardison some young kids do have a bit of skill when it comes to building.
15:50 Megaf benrob0329: don't even try to see how old Star Trek is
15:50 benrob0329 Oh gosh, what was that...1968 or something?
15:50 Megaf Yep
15:51 Megaf Just around the time they landed on the moon
15:51 Mr-Pardison both of them went where no man had gone before.
15:51 Megaf well, not really, the original movie is from 1979
15:51 Megaf the series is from 1966 tho
15:51 benrob0329 1966 for TOS
15:52 benrob0329 Beat me to it :P
15:52 Megaf And I remember watching the then new Next Generation, with the bald guy, and I didnt really like because it was too new and I prefered the old version
15:52 benrob0329 51 years
15:52 benrob0329 Little younger than Doctor Who :PP
15:52 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_duzQzS1I
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16:00 Fixer *,,,,,,,,,*
16:23 Megaf 29C right now
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17:25 MinetestBot Krock: Dec-18 21:37 UTC <Fixer> smallest meme gif i ever seen
17:50 rubenwardy brb
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18:25 Jordach http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima​ges/original/001/224/002/df6.png
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20:04 Megaf something changed in Minetest that now is making lots of mods crash
20:04 Megaf 2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/mine​test-nether/nether/init.lua:778: in function 'grow_tree'
20:04 Megaf 2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/mine​test-nether/nether/init.lua:620: in function <...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/mine​test-nether/nether/init.lua:359>
20:04 Megaf 2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/.​./builtin/game/register.lua:412: in function <...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/.​./builtin/game/register.lua:392>
20:04 Megaf moretress at times crash too
20:05 benrob0329 Megaf: its difficult to debug without the full backlog
20:05 benrob0329 er, error
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20:06 Megaf Just the usual Minetest stuff benrob0329, a mod indexes a nil value and boom, everything explodes
20:06 Megaf I dont have memory left to open a webbrowser and pastebin here, if I do it will freeze my computer, because Minetest client is open
20:07 benrob0329 thats a sad amount of ram
20:07 benrob0329 could you paste into a PM?
20:08 benrob0329 First though, if mods don't check nil that's partially there fault
20:10 Megaf 4 GB...
20:15 Mr-Pardison baq
20:17 benrob0329 was vector.set_data_to_pos changed?
20:17 benrob0329 Megaf: set points to vector.set_data_to_pos, so I assume that function was changed
20:35 benrob0329 semver would help with this you know :P
20:36 benrob0329 because then we would know "hey, this is a breaking change, I'm going to wait until the mod updates to upgrade the engine"
20:36 benrob0329 right now you have to dig through the changelogs to find if anything broke
20:40 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrV4zNrXMnQ very noice
21:26 Megaf [18:17:24] <benrob0329> Megaf: set points to vector.set_data_to_pos, so I assume that function was changed
21:26 Megaf thats what I said...
21:26 Megaf [18:04:15] <Megaf> something changed in Minetest that now is making lots of mods crash
21:26 Megaf its not mods fault
21:26 Megaf its mInetest faults
21:26 Megaf they change stuff all the time without testig
21:26 Megaf and I can blame myself for this too
21:27 Megaf benrob0329: I only have my server because my players are actually paying me to run it
21:27 Megaf honestly I had enough of this. very sad, as I already said various times
21:27 Megaf I put so much time in this and after EVERY update things just break
21:28 Megaf We need someone to be a proper head fort he project
21:28 Megaf someone that will not just disapear
21:28 Megaf some who has been running minetestserver for 5 years at least, who knows the community
21:29 Megaf someone who actually enjoys playing it
21:29 Megaf and who has been somwhat involved in the development
21:29 Megaf And we need proper version numbers
21:29 Megaf major.minor.littlefix
21:29 Megaf and nreaks only happen in major version changes
21:30 Megaf minor changes just bring improvments without changing gameplay
21:30 Megaf and littlefix just fixes stuff like typos, documentation and translations.
21:30 Megaf Having the thing to completely break from 0.4.14 to 0.4.16 is plain ridiculous
21:31 Megaf On Windows you can still run stuff for windows 95 on windows 10. In minetest 3 weeks old stuff is no longer supported
21:31 Megaf Not cool!
21:32 Megaf benrob0329: ^ :S
21:32 Megaf :(
21:32 Megaf (My spell check doesnt work on macOS for some reason)
21:40 rubenwardy Megaf, any breakages are likely unintentional
21:41 Megaf then we get back to the same old problem, lack of testing/quality control
21:41 rubenwardy can't see any set_data_to_pos funtion
21:41 rubenwardy Megaf, yup. https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=19038
21:43 benrob0329 funny, I can't find that function at all in the vector.lua history
21:43 benrob0329 Megaf ^^
21:43 Megaf well, that function not even existing doesnt help much, does it?
21:44 benrob0329 I don't think this is MT's fault, something else changed
21:44 benrob0329 do you have vector-helpers?
21:44 Megaf maybe
21:44 Megaf I dont have my server console open now
21:44 Megaf and will not work anymore on MT today
21:44 benrob0329 https://github.com/HybridDog/vector_extras
21:45 Megaf been working on my server the whole day
21:45 benrob0329 https://github.com/HybridDog/vector_extras.git
21:45 benrob0329 if you want a direct git, to avoid opening a web browser :-)
21:46 rubenwardy git works without the .git
21:46 Megaf man, I hate macOS
21:46 Megaf and windows
21:46 Megaf brb
21:50 Fixer 0.8 kb/sec DL, not bad
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22:14 Megaf Back
22:15 Megaf rubenwardy: I'm a full time student as well
22:15 Megaf I know the feeling, well, you seem to understand my point of view
22:16 Megaf now, let me check this vector thingy
22:17 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/mods$ cd vector_extras/
22:17 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMeg​afServer/mods/vector_extras$ git pull
22:17 Megaf Already up-to-date.
22:17 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMega​fServer/mods/minetest-nether$ git pull
22:17 Megaf Already up-to-date.
22:23 Megaf so, minetest-nether, the old version that I had, it crashes on start up
22:23 Megaf with the minetest changes
22:23 Megaf it worked in .4.14
22:24 Megaf rubenwardy: benrob0329 http://paste.debian.net/plain/1001570
22:24 Megaf and the current version of nether crashes anytime a tree grows
22:24 Megaf suggestions?
22:25 rubenwardy (y)
22:25 rubenwardy read the code, see what's at that line?
22:27 Megaf rubenwardy: by the way, thank you for the well writen post clearly describing our current situation
22:28 rubenwardy local tab = minetest.wrap_text(content, guide_size.fx)
22:28 rubenwardy odd
22:29 Megaf well, that might be in the current snaptshot
22:29 Megaf let me check here
22:30 Megaf local tab = minetest.splittext(content, guide_size.fx)
22:30 Megaf rubenwardy:                              ^
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22:39 Megaf can I juat change that to the warp thing?
22:39 Megaf :P
22:41 rubenwardy wrap
22:41 rubenwardy and yes
22:42 Fixer https://youtu.be/Wxyg1_3Rb68?t=17 love those china slogans
22:46 Megaf lemme try that then
22:47 sofar friendly reminder the FREE Public Remote Media Server is bored and wishes to serve more user content to players!
22:47 sofar If you have no remote media server, just use the PRMS!
22:47 Megaf sofar: you just made something I've been wating to do for 5 years
22:47 Megaf host all the media files in a server and let everybody use
22:48 sofar if you want, I'll add the mods you're using and keep them up to date, nothing you need to do except point your remote_media to the right URL
22:48 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=18951
22:49 Megaf rubenwardy: now this 2017-12-19 22:48:43: ERROR[Main]: ...MegafServer/bin/../mods/minet​est-nether/nether/guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string)
22:49 Megaf 2017-12-19 22:48:43: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
22:49 sofar it already hosts about 300mb+ of media atm
22:49 Megaf lets see the line
22:49 Megaf sofar: with my server you will easily double that
22:49 sofar doubt it
22:49 Megaf for _,str in ipairs(tab) do
22:49 Megaf form = form.."label["..guide_size.cx ..","..guide_size.cy+y..";"..str.."]"
22:49 Megaf y = y+guide_size.fy
22:49 Megaf l = math.max(l, #str)
22:50 sofar just tell me what git trees you're using
22:50 sofar Megaf: it already contains *all* of minetest-mods (including homedecor etc)
22:50 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~$ du -hs MegafServer/mods
22:50 Megaf 151M    MegafServer/mods
22:50 Megaf That's my light version
22:51 Megaf ok, I have around 300 MB in mods in total
22:51 Megaf sofar: some mods have no git anymore
22:51 Megaf some are from me
22:51 Megaf dont know if I should try to fix the old nether or the current nether
22:54 Megaf and now I can't get server to start anymore
22:54 Megaf lol
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23:09 Megaf Shara: ping
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23:14 benrob0329 Crap, can't OP myself from Riot mobile, and ChanServ won't do it (even though I'm logged in via sasl)
23:15 benrob0329 Will grab laptop in a minute
23:15 Megaf benrob0329: you are opped
23:15 Megaf benrob0329: try just /voice #channel nick
23:16 benrob0329 My alt nick isnt
23:17 Megaf battery is almost dead, cya
23:17 Jordach i almost installed hackintosh instead of windows
23:17 Jordach when re-installing my system
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23:36 * benrob0329 gets frustrated as Hexchat refuses to SASL properly
23:37 ThomasMonroe ?
23:37 ThomasMonroe it SASL's for me properly
23:38 Fixer "Microsoft Removes Google's Chrome Installer From the Windows Store"
23:39 Fixer "Windows Store apps that browse the web must use HTML and JavaScript engines provided by Windows 10" ouch, thats anal
23:39 Fixer nevermind
23:40 Fixer new 0.4.17 build
23:45 red-001 when your rendering engine is so bad you have to force people to use it
23:45 red-001 also rip CEF apps
23:49 Fixer red-001: also someone pointed out there is facebook abb with webkit builtin, so MS just does not like chrome as a competitor in store
23:50 red-001 what MS abusing their power to stop fair competition?, they would never do such a thing.
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23:53 twoelk stopping a fart competition? MS might be wiser than I thought :-D
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23:58 benrob0329 what the heck

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