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00:00 Aerozoic https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6789
00:00 ThomasMonroe oh XD thought you were talking to me paramat
00:01 Aerozoic oh haha, a few seconds too late
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00:02 paramat i can tell i've been processing issues too much, i'm beginning to remember them
00:05 Jordach paramat, i'd toss you a tenner for crimbo
00:05 Jordach but my wallet at the minute is currently on, survive, adapt
00:06 Fixer evolve
00:06 Jordach lmao
00:07 ThomasMonroe lol
00:08 paramat no prob not dead yet
00:08 Jordach paramat, been buried under my paperwork from NCC
00:09 Jordach DWP is about to get rekt
00:09 paramat hope so =)
00:09 Jordach i do have a packet of mcvities on the desk
00:12 Fixer github is so slow in firefox, damned
00:12 Fixer f a s t e r
00:12 ThomasMonroe l o l
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00:30 Fixer bug flying in my face
00:30 Fixer what is this? summer?
00:31 sofar global warming
00:31 ThomasMonroe erm, don't you mean "climate change"?
00:31 ThomasMonroe :P
00:31 sofar no
00:31 sofar if you said "human induced climate anomaly", then yes
00:32 ThomasMonroe not sure we can prove that, but ok
00:32 sofar fuck you
00:32 ThomasMonroe ?
00:32 Fixer sofar: some time ago, i've read this book about it: "Donald Rapp - Assessing Climate Change - Temperatures, Solar Radiation and Heat Balance", pretty good one
00:33 ThomasMonroe and also the earth went through an ice age, why not blame that on humans too?
00:33 Fixer quite good one
00:34 sofar it's too late to hide behind lies, guys, being complacent in the destruction of the earth is a crime
00:34 Fixer sofar: yesterday i've posted a link to Creative Computing magazine from 70s, it had article "global cooling" mentioned in article and finding potential causes, that was funny in a way
00:35 Fixer nevermind the writing
00:35 Fixer let me search for exact wording
00:36 Fixer CLIMATE BY COMPUTER
00:36 Fixer Computer simulation of complex systems like the atmosphere is a tricky business,
00:36 Fixer but two IBM scientists are trying to use computers to answer at least one
00:36 Fixer pressing question: Is dust pollution contributing to the global cooling trends?
00:36 Fixer Their tentative answer is negative, "initial results indicate that the effect of
00:36 Fixer dust on the earth's [climate] has been overestimated."
00:36 Fixer 1972
00:36 Fixer https://www.atariarchives.or​g/bcc1/showpage.php?page=48
00:37 Fixer sofar: i don't denied it, it is climate change to warmer (and it sucks)
00:38 Fixer don't denie
00:38 Fixer hmm
00:39 sofar https://climate.nasa.gov/news/807/dusts-wa​rming-counters-half-of-its-cooling-effect/
00:39 Fixer i though denied was a word, can't find it my dictionaries
00:40 Fixer in my*
00:40 ThomasMonroe http://blog.drwile.com/a-climate-skeptics-story/
00:40 ThomasMonroe http://blog.drwile.com/sometimes​-its-the-deniers-who-are-right/
00:40 Fixer ThomasMonroe: read that book I posted above, it has tons of data
00:40 ThomasMonroe ok, I'll take a look
00:41 Fixer denial
00:41 Fixer ah
00:41 sofar oh ffs "Proslogion – Thoughts from a scientist who is a Christia"
00:41 Fixer deny
00:41 Fixer found it
00:42 sofar nothing wrong with responsible science
00:42 sofar but that, it is not
00:42 ThomasMonroe what is not?
00:42 sofar responsible science
00:42 ThomasMonroe what is not responsible science?
00:42 ThomasMonroe teaching theory as fact?
00:43 sofar disputing the overwhelming evidence
00:43 sofar that's not science
00:43 sofar that's criminal
00:43 sofar immoral
00:43 sofar unethical
00:43 sofar dangerous
00:43 Fixer sofar: not in usa (/me runs)
00:43 ThomasMonroe ok, there was overwhelming evidence that quasi-periodic crystals did not exist and yet they do
00:44 Fixer sofar: usa is awkward nation, it is kinda quite progressive, but too much religious and a lot of people have crazy beliefs
00:44 sofar so science makes small incremental improvements?
00:44 ThomasMonroe wdym?
00:44 sofar you can't just waive a hundred years of climate science away
00:44 sofar one tiny part, sure, show me the article
00:44 sofar all of it? fuck no
00:45 ThomasMonroe like Galeleio waived the entire geocentric theory goodbye?
00:45 sofar fuck you, you're just trolling to get points
00:45 Fixer climate change is a fact, earth climate has changed through earth history a lot, and todays humans may have contributed to some warming recently, time will show who is right, but for now it is warming every year
00:45 sofar "I know better because I'm critical"
00:45 ThomasMonroe ^
00:45 sofar "sometimes scientists are wrong"
00:45 ThomasMonroe Fixer: thats exactly what I am trying to say
00:46 sofar so that means you can just scream that global warming isn't man-made?
00:46 sofar throw away millions of years of temperature data?
00:46 ThomasMonroe the point is we don't know
00:46 sofar WE
00:46 sofar FUCKING
00:46 sofar DO
00:46 ThomasMonroe millions?
00:46 Fixer humans has contribution in warming
00:46 Fixer have
00:46 sofar millions
00:46 sofar we have millions of years of temperature and climate data
00:47 sofar we know the oxygen level of the atmosphere in the devonian
00:47 Fixer if you read that 800 pages book, it has very detailed review of everything, past climate, co2 increase leading to T increase, etc
00:47 Fixer yeah
00:47 Fixer recent data from ice cores and trees
00:48 ThomasMonroe I gtg eat dinner, sorry if my opinion is different
00:48 Fixer it even looks into that hockey stick controversy
00:48 Fixer even if you take critics into effect - there is still warming
00:48 sofar this attitude is immoral and irresponsible
00:48 sofar it leads to people just driving more hummers
00:49 Fixer sofar: business as usual (tm)
00:49 Fixer oh that book is just 400 pages, not 800
00:49 sofar I can not accept opinions that will destroy the world for my children
00:50 Shara There's rather a lot of them to change though
00:51 Fixer sofar: pep0l/governments want economic growth/prosperity => destroying ecosystem/warming => nah, I will be dead anyway => fuck kids
00:51 sofar I'm putting them on notice
00:51 sofar it's not acceptable
00:51 sofar period
00:51 Fixer and you got a new future punk movie or how it is called
00:51 Shara And even most who agree just won't change because <stuff Fixer said>
00:51 sofar kick me if that isn't acceptable
00:51 sofar I will not stand idly by
00:52 * Shara would probably kick anyone who kicks anyone for caring about such things :)
00:52 Fixer sofar: politicians don't care, but, EU/US is pretty concious, but it is just 1billion of Earth
00:52 sofar heck, you're using a computer, wtf, you're going to use it but not believe in the science that made it possible in the first place?
00:53 Fixer conscious
00:53 Fixer sofar: r e p u b l i c a n s
00:53 Fixer not all of them are bad though
00:54 sofar problem is that one half of them is half-bad on one issue
00:54 sofar the other half is bad on another issue
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00:55 Fixer even in Eeas Europe, I don't see much environmentalism at all (apart from few rare activists)
00:55 Fixer East*
00:55 Fixer there is even no sorting of trash
00:55 sofar how can you want to be conservative, but not conserve the environment?
00:56 sofar hypocrit much?
00:56 Fixer sofar: who?
00:56 Fixer but we do use gas as main heating source, while China burns that coal
00:57 Fixer sofar: you mean Monroe? i was never conservative much, pro science, it is just local population and politicians don't care here
00:57 Fixer not just here
00:57 Fixer it is when it goes to shit, they will start alarm
00:57 Fixer like that smog in China, now they thinking how to reduce air pollution
00:58 Fixer sofar: also, there is 1"golden" billion, but soon will be 9 "poor" billions (mostly africa and asia), now that will be a shitshow
00:59 Fixer sofar: 1) if they remain poor - ok, not much more pollution 2) if they develope - lack of resources/tons of pollution
01:01 Fixer sofar: also, nobody cares about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth , business as usual, future generations are fucked if no action, but i hope it will, more recycling, less coal burning, fusion reactors
01:01 Fixer it will be mitigated*
01:03 shivajiva they just want us to pay to clean up something they allowed to be created in the first place for profit
01:04 Fixer sofar: few generations after us will enjoy a shit show, or maybe a bright revitalised future, or kinda meh, high tech - low life (heck, it is already that way)
01:04 Fixer shivajiva: it is fundamental problem
01:04 shivajiva how can we refuse, it's our kids legacy
01:04 Fixer shivajiva: in short - kill all humans
01:04 shivajiva good plan
01:04 Fixer problem solved
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01:04 shivajiva start with the politicians pls
01:05 Shara ^
01:05 sofar start with the special interests and kill citizens united
01:05 sofar take money out of politics
01:05 Fixer shivajiva: with bullets (:trollface:)
01:06 sofar change the voting system so it's not fricken criminally rigged (US)
01:06 Fixer sofar: it can't be solved much, current world runs on economic growth that is sustained by extracting finite resources and adding pollution in proccess
01:06 sofar etc
01:07 Fixer sofar: to decrease pollution you need to slow economic growth and stop burning fuels, use solars/nuclear/hydro etc, but that needs huge investment, don't forget that car-crap usa can't live without
01:08 shivajiva now we have arrived at at level of tech advancement the issue for the rich is they have too many worker ants to really control the game and enjoy the reward
01:08 shivajiva so they need a solution :)
01:08 Fixer anyway, future looks to me not totally bright, more like high tech - low life thing
01:08 shivajiva it's called war
01:09 Fixer maltus
01:09 Fixer is watching
01:09 Fixer creepy
01:09 Fixer :D
01:09 sofar I'm still fighting the guy who avoids the inconvenient truth
01:10 Fixer sofar: pfff, it is like probably 100-200 mln in USA of those guys
01:10 Fixer sofar: with dinosaur bones placed by god 5000 years ago and such
01:10 shivajiva ahh
01:11 sofar sad part is he's probably a late teenager who is indoctrinated at home, and my attitude is just scaring him away from making his own mind up
01:13 shivajiva you can't beat sense into people
01:13 Fixer sofar: everything is centered about ME, JOBS, GROWTH, MORE WAGE, BUY, CONSUME, it is not su(a)stainable
01:13 Fixer it is part of human nature
01:13 Fixer selfdestructive part
01:13 Fixer self-destructive*
01:13 sofar a small growth isn't bad for sustainability, heck even shrinkage would be fine, obviously
01:14 Fixer sofar: nah, it goes into crysis pretty fast, very evident here in Europe
01:14 Fixer sofar: when you have near 0% gdp growth, economists are not comfy with that, worries, debt problems, money injecting
01:15 sofar what you need is like 0.5-1.0% growth, where you hide that some sectors are no longer counted because obsolete
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01:15 Fixer with jobless crowd moved into North Korea
01:15 sofar humans need to learn how to shrink
01:15 sofar sadly, I am of netherlands genetics, and tall
01:15 Fixer EU already shrinked, it is other parts that are exploding like a bacteria
01:15 sofar isn't there a new matt damon movie about this coming out?
01:16 sofar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Md0XJZlbAk
01:16 Fixer poor africa/asia population is skyrocketing
01:16 shivajiva growth isn't sustainable due to the nature of democracy [veiled dictatorship] and the conspicuous consumption driven by greed
01:16 Fixer they need pop regulation, not EU
01:17 Fixer shivajiva: it is simple to fix, wait 100 years, much less resources - prices going up radically, low-mid class destroyed, rethinking of economy, it will be tough
01:18 Fixer humans will wait until it is really bad and later start acting, when it is late
01:18 Fixer bed*
01:18 Fixer sleep time
01:19 Fixer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Es​say_on_the_Principle_of_Population
01:20 Fixer people who study economy - knows this thing, it was overly alarming for its time, but its effect may be delayed into our future
01:20 Fixer know*
01:20 shivajiva and so we find ourselves on the spiral arm of a galaxy, pretty much as far out as it gets =)
01:22 shivajiva good job really, we can work our way into the middle destroying everything as we go
01:22 sofar birth control was perfected when child diseases were eradicated
01:22 Fixer sofar: EU is shrinking pretty good, even with tall, it is those africa/asia fuckers "literally"
01:23 Fixer in 100 years Africa/Asia can overrun Europe easily
01:23 sofar EU is still growing .25% - europe is probably shrinking though
01:23 Fixer EU projected population is 500-700 mln iirc
01:23 Fixer Africa will be like 3 billions
01:23 sofar all of europe is 743 million (2015)
01:24 Fixer big part of Europe already lost a loooot of population
01:24 sofar 511 in EU (2016)
01:24 Fixer east is affected worst
01:24 * sofar goes to commute
01:24 Fixer anyway, it is not europe problem
01:24 Fixer africa/asia thing
01:25 Fixer gonna build a wall, right?
01:27 shivajiva one thing I do struggle with is the fact the CO2 went up before the industrial revolution to it's present levels, would explain where all the trees went though
01:29 shivajiva :P
01:37 shivajiva NASA stated all the planets in our solar system are heating up, suggesting some sheer force is in play and we know that we wobble up and down on the lateral plane of our galaxy
01:43 paramat oh dear, this 'scientist who is a christian' site is ridiculous, he's a young-earth creationist for a start
01:44 benrob0329 paramat: \*raises eyebrow at instant rejecting of other scientific views\*
01:46 paramat not a scientist, and his is not a scientific view
01:47 benrob0329 the former is true, the latter is very closed minded of you :-)
01:47 benrob0329 there are many other theories aside from the "many billions of years" that is commonly used
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01:49 jas_ how about that minetest?
01:51 benrob0329 jas_: what about what minetest?
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01:52 paramat yes, but they're poor theories that few scientists believe
01:53 shivajiva There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year. So as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!!
01:54 benrob0329 paramat: believe what you will, science is something that has changed drastically over the years, and I refuse to be stuck on any one theory that may or may not be wrong
01:55 paramat anyway, i have a physics degree from the world's top university, so this might explain my views =)
01:56 shivajiva did it teach you matter is degraded antimatter?
01:57 paramat science is not stuck on one theory either, that's what science is about, constantly re-assessing. however you can still have things that are highly probable
01:58 paramat the vedas make much more sense than christianity, as does buddhism
01:58 paramat but, nuff said
01:58 benrob0329 I never said Christianity made sense, it doesnt a lot of times
01:59 ThomasMonroe thats for sure
01:59 benrob0329 which is why I'm not Christian
02:01 ThomasMonroe the word "Christian" gets thrown around alot these days, it could mean anything even related to God(within reason)
02:02 shivajiva you would have to show the lineage ^
02:02 jas_ athiesm is a hell of a religion
02:02 jas_ g'night!
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02:03 shivajiva rofl
02:03 benrob0329 Labels are a hell of a religion
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02:33 tumeninodes Oh, I'm sorry wrong room... I was looking for minetest-hub
02:34 tumeninodes no wait? this is the right room. WTF is going on here? and who got sofar so worked up? :P
02:35 shivajiva check the logs ;)
02:36 tumeninodes ha, the proof is always "in the logs"
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02:36 shivajiva depending on how you read it xD
02:37 tumeninodes I always read them, the way they best suit my needs ;)
02:37 ThomasMonroe sry my internet cut out, did i miss anything?
02:37 shivajiva 1 line
02:38 tumeninodes miss anything? if you mean "here" no... but plenty has happened across the world in those few moments
02:38 ThomasMonroe oh ok thanks
02:38 ThomasMonroe touche
02:38 tumeninodes hey, don't touche me...
02:38 tumeninodes :P
02:38 ThomasMonroe lol
02:39 tumeninodes I could have sworn I had something to talk about when I headed over here... now I forgot
02:39 shivajiva must be mt related :)
02:40 tumeninodes as a matter of fact it was... At least I think it was
02:41 tumeninodes as I know this is no place for any sort of #uckery
02:41 shivajiva though that covers all sorts judging by the content =)
02:41 * tumeninodes is self censored
02:42 shivajiva I actually meant you must of had minetest in mind when you came to chat
02:43 tumeninodes ... exactically
02:44 ThomasMonroe sometimes I wish contreversial issues weren't so..contreversial
02:44 tumeninodes I certainly would not have come with intent to chat about Doom or global warming heh
02:44 shivajiva lol
02:45 tumeninodes everything today is controversial... that's why we have MT/MTG
02:45 ThomasMonroe true, nor did I, i just made a sarcastic commment and then we started talking about it
02:46 tumeninodes sarcasm rules :D I use it very often. Some say, far too often
02:46 tumeninodes it spices things up
02:46 shivajiva politics and religion are a minefield ;)
02:47 ThomasMonroe with waay too many mines XD
02:47 ThomasMonroe sarcasm is awesome, when used correctly
02:47 tumeninodes just always remember... sofar is not open to sarcasm related to global conditions ; )
02:47 ThomasMonroe I will from now on ;)
02:48 tumeninodes hey... this is good... off-topic led to something "mine" related
02:48 tumeninodes minefields... sounds like a decent game idea
02:49 shivajiva hehe thought I'd got away with that one
02:49 tumeninodes an ore, which explodes if struck by a pick or exposed to a torch. makes mining.... interesting
02:49 shivajiva lets call it TNT xD
02:50 ThomasMonroe that would dynamite ;P
02:50 tumeninodes : |
02:50 ThomasMonroe be*
02:50 tumeninodes that's my "really?" face
02:50 ThomasMonroe retry
02:50 ThomasMonroe that would be dynamite ;P
02:50 ThomasMonroe -_-
02:50 ThomasMonroe thats mine
02:50 shivajiva or the sweat from dynamite
02:51 shivajiva nitro
02:51 tumeninodes nitro is fun
02:51 ThomasMonroe nitro(us oxide or glycerin)?
02:51 * shivajiva pops tumeninodes balloon
02:51 tumeninodes : |
02:51 ThomasMonroe :D
02:52 ThomasMonroe https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6788
02:52 ThomasMonroe hmm now why did Travis fail?
02:52 tumeninodes I've never had a balloon... cept for that one
02:53 ThomasMonroe O.O n-n-nev-ver?
02:53 tumeninodes Travis sucks. I never trust anything named... Travis... especially people
02:53 ThomasMonroe lol
02:53 tumeninodes go home travis, no one likes you
02:54 benrob0329 go drunk travis, you're home
02:54 ThomasMonroe oh lol it couldnt install a dep
02:54 ThomasMonroe https://travis-ci.org/minet​est/minetest/jobs/316689969
02:54 tumeninodes muahahahahahaha
02:54 tumeninodes travis has no jab
02:54 shivajiva I'll send you a whole box of party ones, zzz o/ :)
02:55 ThomasMonroe :P
02:57 tumeninodes can they be luft????
02:57 tumeninodes strange that deb could not be pulled
02:57 tumeninodes dep
02:58 tumeninodes derp
02:58 tumeninodes night, don;t forget 99 luft balloons
03:00 tumeninodes benrob, how goes the tardis? I have not been keeping up to date
03:15 benrob0329 tumeninodes: slowly
03:15 benrob0329 but surely
03:24 tumeninodes slowly is fine... it means "done right" and worth the wait. I have fun with it
03:24 tumeninodes I am off to sleepyland... night
03:29 Grandolf benrob, you are doing a tardis?
03:32 benrob0329 Grandolf: yes, have been for a while now
03:33 Grandolf is there a link?
03:33 benrob0329 Still in alpha, going to be some more breaking changes
03:33 benrob0329 Sure *goes to grab it*
03:34 benrob0329 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=18858&amp;p=300949#p300949
03:44 Grandolf awesome, just wish my tardis had a floor XD
03:57 benrob0329 Grandolf: wat
03:59 Grandolf mi tardis had no floor 0_o
04:00 Grandolf like i fell out bc nothing to stand on except controls in center
04:00 Grandolf lol
04:04 benrob0329 That is..odd
04:04 benrob0329 Are you using MTG?
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08:25 Megaf Morning
08:54 CWz what is this error: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan).
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10:16 CWz gonna re-ask this since few have logged in. what does this error mean and what causes it: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -nan).
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10:24 tenplus1 hif olks
10:27 Krock hi tenplus1
10:27 tenplus1 hey Krock, what's new ?
10:28 Krock a few fresh commits on minetest/minetest and the ongoing FCC BS
10:28 tenplus1 *sigh* I heard about the ruling yesterday for net neutrality in the states
10:30 tenplus1 +1'd your attached objects pull...  we need 'dis
10:31 Megaf somehow my map got smaller after several clearobjects and vacuums 4.3G    map.sqlite
10:31 tenplus1 hi Megaf
10:32 Megaf Hi tenplus1
10:32 Megaf CWz: maybe -dev?
10:32 tenplus1 you should try the map clean script, would shrink map to 2% of it's total size :D
10:33 Megaf explain
10:33 Raven262 Hi ten
10:33 tenplus1 hir aven
10:33 Raven262 Hi Megaf
10:33 Raven262 Hi Krock
10:33 Krock hi Raven262
10:33 tenplus1 Megaf: I have a script that works with sql maps and only saves map blocks that have user items like protectors or torches in them, the rest it deletes :)
10:33 CWz seemd to have been caused by the set home mod
10:34 Megaf tenplus1: terrible
10:34 Krock tenplus1, that's an amazing script :)
10:34 Megaf what about all the mines and tunel networks
10:34 Krock but I guess the air above will have to be re-generated over and over again
10:34 tenplus1 I used it once on Xanadu mk.2 and it shrank the map from 28gb right down to 1014mb
10:35 Krock Megaf, thus, torches.
10:35 Krock map limits are also quite helpful btw
10:36 Megaf tenplus1: you could just wipe air nodes
10:36 tenplus1 yeah, kinda wish you could limit the height of a map and not just the width
10:36 Megaf But even that would be bad on my server
10:36 Megaf Since we have cities underwater
10:36 Megaf and wiping the air nodes would flood the cities
10:36 tenplus1 oof
10:38 Megaf Megaf Server is complex man
10:38 Megaf very complex
10:38 tenplus1 I can imagine
10:38 Megaf some structures are just udnerground carvings
10:38 Megaf theres a guy building a gigantic cathedral underground
10:38 Megaf but just d]carc\ving, digging
10:38 Megaf He has been building it for 4 years
10:38 Raven262 Sounds like something i would build.
10:38 tenplus1 sweet :) gotta give players kudos for using the surrounding landscape to build with
10:39 Megaf And my server is survival
10:39 tenplus1 we banned lava buckets on Xanadu due to player griefing and one dude built around the fiery biomes to hav a lava put in his living room :P
10:39 Megaf the buckets on my server is a mod made by me, just a dummy bucket to use in recipes
10:40 Megaf fire is a dummy fire too, that was before we had settings for fire
10:40 tenplus1 :P we're using rube's bucket mod...  lot smaller and works better than default
10:41 tenplus1 also has alternative liquids set for specific buckets
10:41 Raven262 tenplus1, remember that underground town that lisac and I built?
10:42 tenplus1 did ya finish it ?
10:42 Raven262 We had plans that, if we find a lava cave nearby, we are to make a lava tube to lead into the abyss.
10:42 Raven262 Nah
10:42 Raven262 Maybe once :P
10:42 tenplus1 ooh, sounds interesting
10:42 Raven262 Yeah, though i'm not sure that lava would spread around that easily :(
10:43 tenplus1 was gonna add a magma block at one point...  very slow timed abm to cause it to move upwards/sideways until it hits air then turns to lava sourec :D
10:43 Raven262 But it would be practical, for killing the mobs that spawn in the abyss
10:43 Raven262 Nice idea
10:43 tenplus1 had a weird feeling it would devastate the map tho :P
10:43 Raven262 Most likely.
10:44 Raven262 Better focus on those lucky blocks xD
10:44 tenplus1 hah, those already DO devastate maps if placed wrong
10:44 Raven262 They only spawn in the lucky block arena, right?
10:44 tenplus1 one of the new traps was spawning 2x dungeon lords and it blew everything up around them that wasnt protected
10:44 Raven262 Wow.
10:44 Raven262 Nice, guess living near the place has its costs.
10:44 tenplus1 they eventually got killed and dropped diamond blocks tho
10:45 tenplus1 arena no.2 has the spleef arena and build battle arena next door, so no actual ppl yet :D
10:45 Raven262 Oh, good for them :P
10:46 Raven262 Now browsing trough all my minetest screenshots on imgur...
10:47 tenplus1 hope you put the good one's on forum :P
10:47 Raven262 Still waiting for somebody to explain this: https://i.imgur.com/vfJ5CdE.png
10:47 Raven262 Not all of them..
10:50 Calinou hi :)
10:50 tenplus1 hi Cal
10:50 Raven262 Hi Calinou
10:50 Calinou Raven262: that tree is… stoned
10:50 * Calinou hides
10:51 Raven262 Damn.
10:51 Raven262 But seriously, if the dungeon generation is happening after the decorations are placed, why isn't there grass over cobble?
10:52 tenplus1 ?
10:53 Raven262 You know, grass_* is placed on the grassland biome.
10:53 CWz i think could solve this glitch by having home round up the x y z as integers
10:53 Raven262 If the dungeon ceiling is generated on the same height as the dirt_with_grass with a grass_* over it
10:53 tenplus1 I always thought that dungeon generation was done after cavegen and biome layering
10:54 CWz how does one turn floats into integers
10:55 tenplus1 integer = math.floor(float)
10:56 tenplus1 or   integer = math.ceil(floor)
10:56 tenplus1 one for lowest, one for highest
10:58 Raven262 Btw, might be on topic, I noticed that voxelmanip won't round up the coords by itself, but will jump over any float it encounters as coord.
10:58 tenplus1 yeah noticed that too when mob api was freaking out with explosions
10:59 Raven262 lol
10:59 tenplus1 you'd think voxelmanip would work properly with floating point coords...
10:59 Raven262 I've been making some air pyramids, but thats not important right now.
10:59 tenplus1 at least round them in engine and not lua
11:00 Raven262 I also expected this, used a for loop which raises coord value by 0.5 each loop, got nothing in return :P
11:00 Raven262 But math.ceil helped
11:00 tenplus1 :)
11:01 Raven262 And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png
11:02 Raven262 I call it the "Obelisk Square" element.
11:02 tenplus1 lol
11:03 Raven262 There is a complete function for generating obelisks too, so this one might get a more complex version of itself too.
11:03 Raven262 And when i mix all of these up, it'll be worth exploring.
11:03 tenplus1 yeah, the caves need to be more entertaining for exploration
11:04 tenplus1 right now they are kinda dull
11:04 tenplus1 was hoping that paramat's map layering addition would help in adding nether-like biomes deep underground and caverealms also using normal mapgen
11:04 Raven262 I also hope for this.
11:05 Raven262 He did add underground decorations recently.
11:05 tenplus1 +100 for that :) below and above(ceiling) decor... I like
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11:07 tenplus1 o/ Fixer
11:09 Fixer hello
11:23 Krock Raven262, interesting version number
11:38 Megaf !up 2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1 30003
11:38 MinetestBot Megaf: invalid address
11:39 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
11:39 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (13ms)
11:40 Krock !up [2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1] 3000
11:40 MinetestBot Krock: invalid address
11:40 Megaf nice try tho
11:41 Megaf !up "2001:41d0:a:fbe3:0:0:0:1" 30003
11:41 MinetestBot Megaf: invalid address
11:41 Megaf so if internet hangs when getting media, client will freeze
11:47 Megaf ShadowNinja: Heya, you still actively developing areas?
11:48 Megaf shivajiva: ping
11:56 Raven262 Krock, Hexchat or OS version?
11:58 Krock Raven262, Minetest.
11:59 Raven262 Ah
12:00 Raven262 I thought you did ctcp version
12:00 Raven262 Which screenshot though, I have posted some old ones.
12:06 Krock <Raven262> And the result was: https://i.imgur.com/DSpAfTf.png
12:07 Krock apparently a version compiled with the faulty stable-0.4 branch
12:08 red-001 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=19027 lol
12:09 red-001 how do you even write a bot and not realise you can't use html on most forums
12:13 tenplus1 hah... also hi red
12:16 Raven262 Well, yes, i complied it a while ago, Krock.
12:16 Raven262 I also have an old 0.5 client
12:21 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
12:21 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms)
12:22 sfan5 ​!up happens to not support ipv6
12:22 sfan5 because i'm lazy
12:27 Megaf VanessaE: you there?
12:28 VanessaE no.
12:28 VanessaE :P
12:28 Megaf I'm updating my mods now
12:28 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:27:40: [Server] Item "moretrees:apple_blossoms" not defined at position (31,8,9)
12:28 Megaf my as in the mods I have in the server
12:28 VanessaE er
12:28 Megaf and my apple trees lost their apples
12:28 VanessaE never seen that error before.
12:28 Megaf of course not. I'm the best in finding errors
12:29 VanessaE apparently you never got the memo - my coding ability has been temporarily trashed.
12:29 VanessaE so...pull request or bust.,
12:29 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
12:29 * tenplus1 trips on an apple
12:29 VanessaE hey tenplus1
12:32 Megaf hm, I cant find any reference to blossoms in the old moretrees either
12:32 Megaf tho I found this https://github.com/minetest-mods/moretrees/co​mmit/54458de4617888c5f9552ffe1ebf472819613dbf
12:33 VanessaE moretrees cooperates with nature_classic in plantlife modpack
12:34 Megaf do I need this? load_mod_plantlife_i18n = false
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12:35 Megaf for i18n I undertand as internacionalization
12:36 Megaf well, enabled that and blossoms are back
12:36 Megaf problem solved
12:40 Megaf VanessaE: nevermind, I wasnt loading the mod plantlife. It's all good now
12:40 VanessaE fail :P
12:40 Megaf tenplus1: that must be a good apple
12:40 Megaf ThomasMonroe: greetings
12:40 tenplus1 :P
12:42 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf
12:42 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1, VanessaE
12:42 VanessaE hi
12:42 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
12:42 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms)
12:42 Megaf Ok, server 60% done
12:43 Megaf already playable
12:43 Megaf we have areas, homedecor, plantlife, moretrees, moreblocks and stuff
12:44 tenplus1 hi thomas
12:46 Krock Megaf, but why areas
12:46 Megaf Krock: why not?
12:47 Megaf Krock: mind you, when I added that mod, it was basically the only protection mod arround
12:47 Krock ah. thought it was a new server. nevermind then
12:47 Megaf no, I just bringing my server back online, and to an up to date state
12:48 Megaf Back from Septemeber 2014
12:48 ThomasMonroe o/ Krock would background[] work for the main menu?
12:48 Megaf But Minetest changed so much in this time frame, its quite tricky to update it
12:48 ThomasMonroe oh wait nvmd
12:49 tenplus1 yeah, 0.5 has many new features and changes to deal with
12:49 VanessaE I won't touch 0.5.x with a 10m stick
12:49 Megaf I'm bringing it to 0.4 backport for now...
12:49 tenplus1 ehehehe
12:49 tenplus1 the player model changes are too big
12:50 * Krock gives VanessaE a 11m stick
12:53 Krock VanessaE, would you have a few minutes to remove https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=22357 entirely?
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12:54 tenplus1 hi nathan
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12:56 tenplus1 hi Jordach
12:57 Megaf I hate when modders change stuff and forget aliases!
12:57 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25)
13:00 Megaf tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest-streets/street​s/blob/master/streets_signs/init.lua#L140
13:00 Megaf shouldnt streets:sing_mine be defined?
13:00 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25)
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13:00 VanessaE Krock: done.
13:01 tenplus1 hi thmas
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13:02 ThomasMonroe hey tenplus1
13:02 tenplus1 hi fussel
13:03 * Jordach bleps
13:03 Krock thank you, VanessaE.
13:03 Megaf Thomas-S: You there?
13:03 ThomasMonroe XD I nearly replied to that
13:04 IhrFussel Hello tenplus1 and the others ... does the view range of the client affect the block send distance of the server? I mean is it a check per client or will all client receive max_block_send_distance regardless of the view range?
13:04 Megaf ThomasMonroe: hah, you there?
13:04 Megaf Thomas-S: I'm getting this <ERROR> 2017-12-15 12:56:34: [Server] Item "streets:sign_mine" not defined at position (8,10,-25)
13:05 Krock IhrFussel, I believe it takes the minimum of the client and server settings
13:05 ThomasMonroe ??
13:06 Megaf ThomasMonroe: ?? what?
13:06 ThomasMonroe didnt understand your last comment
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13:06 Megaf ThomasMonroe: I was to Thomas-S
13:06 ThomasMonroe [07:04:28] <Megaf> ThomasMonroe: hah, you there?
13:07 ThomasMonroe that one
13:07 Megaf ThomasMonroe: ah, so so you can reply to it...
13:07 Megaf just so*
13:07 ThomasMonroe oh XD
13:08 Thomas-S Megaf: I'm here now.
13:08 Megaf so, missing alias maybe?
13:08 Megaf or maybe I just have the wrong mod...
13:09 Megaf no, is the right mod
13:09 Megaf with missing aliases
13:09 Thomas-S So, you upgraded from Streets 1.x to 2.0 ?
13:10 Megaf Thomas-S: maybe. No idea
13:10 Megaf I was on master from 1 or two years ago
13:10 Megaf and now did a git pull
13:11 Megaf Thomas-S: Should I just revert to branch streets-1?
13:11 Thomas-S Yes, then you did upgrade from 1.x to 2.0. We don't provide full compatiblity between both versions. However, a node called "streets:sign_mine" exists in 2.0, too.
13:12 Megaf Im just sticking to streets-1
13:12 Thomas-S I think that's maybe best for existing worlds.
13:15 Megaf Thomas-S: streets 1 is broken
13:16 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:15:30: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../​mods/streets/streetsmod/libs/smartfs/smartfs.lua: No such file or directory
13:16 Thomas-S Megaf: Is this world public?
13:16 Megaf yep
13:16 Megaf its a 5 years old world
13:16 Megaf I can just keep using the old version of streets I have, I just thought it would be a good idea updating it
13:16 Thomas-S Could you maybe try the new version again, and I then come online to see the error?
13:16 Megaf I see I'm mistaken
13:17 Thomas-S Streets 2.0 has many improvements, but it will very likely cause a few unkown nodes.
13:17 Megaf Thomas-S: the new version will not do. since theres no aliases. We made heavy use of streets in the server
13:17 Thomas-S I could try to add the according aliases as needed.
13:17 Megaf I dont want our strcutures to become unknown nodes
13:19 Megaf cp -r ../mods.bkp/streets ../mods/
13:19 Megaf problem solved
13:19 Thomas-S Good :)
13:23 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafSer​ver/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory
13:23 Megaf castle is broken too
13:24 Megaf ah
13:24 Megaf git recursive for that repo
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13:25 shivajiva Megaf: pong
13:25 Megaf shivajiva: I had no idea what I wanted
13:25 Megaf maybe something about your mods
13:25 shivajiva np :)
13:26 Megaf it was something positive anyway
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13:28 Megaf is chepie alive?
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13:29 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:27:25: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-38,17,-23)
13:29 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:27:32: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-37,17,-21)
13:29 Megaf I dont know how to fix that ^
13:29 Megaf I think its a plastic box that was cut with the circular saw
13:29 Megaf Calinou: ^
13:29 Megaf but now after updates its not working anymore
13:33 Megaf !seen asie
13:33 MinetestBot Megaf: asie was last seen at 2017-10-03 23:44:10 UTC on #minetest
13:43 RobbieF Good morning
13:43 Mr_Pardison Morning RobbieF
13:43 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:01: [Server] Item "farming:tomato_8" not defined at position (23,15,-115)
13:43 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:09: [Server] Item "farming:pumpkin" not defined at position (-6,12,-107)
13:43 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 13:42:11: [Server] Item "farming:jackolantern" not defined at position (-2,16,-113)
13:43 ThomasMonroe Morning RobbieF
13:43 Megaf so much stuff to fix...
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13:44 VanessaE Megaf: cheapie never extended hardware coloring beyond just the basic block.
13:48 Krock !up 5.196.88.227 30003
13:48 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down
13:51 Megaf nice mod https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=17881
13:51 Megaf Krock: down indeed, another wave of mod updates now
13:54 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
13:54 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 seems to be down
13:54 Megaf Krock: ^
13:54 Megaf what?
13:54 Megaf 2017-12-15 13:53:51: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "description3" accessed at ...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/.​./mods/nixie_tubes/init.lua:147
13:54 jas_ no colon
13:54 Megaf lots of mods seem to have that
13:54 jas_ oh nevermind there's not one already my eye
13:54 Krock they already had that before, Megaf. It simply wasn't reported with older verions
13:54 Krock *versions
13:55 Megaf on the contrary, the old version of castle work, the current shows that error
13:55 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
13:55 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms)
13:55 Megaf anyway ^
13:55 Megaf it will take a long while to download all media tho
13:55 Krock "WARNING[Main]:"  " the current shows that error"
13:56 Krock warnings are not errors. you can ignore them
13:56 Mr_Pardison not always.
13:56 Megaf 13:23 <Megaf> 2017-12-15 13:23:23: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafSer​ver/bin/../mods/castle/ropes/init.lua: No such file or directory
13:56 Megaf 13:23 <Megaf> castle is broken too
14:10 benrob0329 Megaf: ERROR[Main]
14:10 Megaf so?
14:11 benrob0329 Its an error, not a warning..or did you mean something else?
14:12 Megaf I never said it was warning
14:12 Megaf I said the mod is broken, castle mod
14:13 benrob0329 Megaf: git submodule --init update
14:13 benrob0329 I think
14:21 * Jordach wishes quassel could organise channels
14:22 Jordach just literally discords fancy interface
14:22 Jordach with an IRC backend
14:22 Megaf nothing like getting your server hacked by a minetest dev using CSM
14:22 Jordach kerk
14:22 Jordach protect your shit
14:22 Jordach i stepped through everything with sofar
14:23 jas_ who's kerk?
14:23 Jordach i meant kek
14:23 jas_ ooh right alright then that makes sense
14:23 Jordach red-001, i didn't realise the channel lmao
14:24 Mr_Pardison kerk is captain kerk of the USSR vessel Communism.
14:24 Jordach usually i'm just on -hub
14:24 Megaf VanessaE: vines, I dislike them
14:24 Megaf very much
14:24 Megaf they look good, but they grow everywhere
14:24 Megaf no stop
14:24 jas_ i type into -dev all the time without looking! (that's why i'm not there haha)
14:24 red-001 #minetest-reverse_furrie
14:24 Jordach uwot
14:25 jas_ you can probably slow them down, megaf
14:26 VanessaE Megaf:  so disable the vines mod or yell at bas080 to curtail their growth
14:26 jas_ maybe by adjusting an abm interval, if they're using those i mean
14:26 red-001 Megaf, what happened?
14:26 Megaf red-001: so many things. why you ask?
14:27 VanessaE bbl
14:27 red-001 you seem to be having issue with a lot of mods, so I though I would ask
14:27 jas_ is it from upgrading, megaf?
14:27 Megaf red-001: two mods didnt want to load init.lua
14:28 Megaf castles and something else
14:28 Megaf but castle it was just a git recursive to fix stuff
14:28 jas_ was it in the folder?  if it's a submodule, i mean, it's possible it wasn't there
14:32 Megaf eh, it was not an important mod
14:32 Megaf I just wanted to try it out
14:33 jas_ maybe download it manually, or git clone the submodule's url.
14:33 Megaf 2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]:       [C]: in function 'error'
14:33 Megaf 2017-12-15 14:33:31: ERROR[Main]:       .../bin/../mods/Minetest-WorldE​dit/worldedit_brush/init.lua:2: in main chunk
14:33 Megaf that even even enabled in world.mt
14:34 Megaf red-001: jas_ ^
14:34 jas_ oh wow
14:34 Megaf Im having lots of mods problems because Im enabling lots of mods
14:34 Megaf updating
14:34 Megaf oh, it is enabled
14:34 jas_ you know it's bad when you can't even get to line 3
14:34 Megaf disabled it now, works
14:34 Mr_Pardison >.>
14:35 Megaf jas_: hah
14:36 Megaf oh yeah, so much better now with darkage re installed
14:36 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
14:36 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms)
14:36 jas_ !server dcbl
14:36 MinetestBot jas_: dcbl | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / dcbl | Ping: 116ms
14:36 Megaf I will leave the server running now for the next couple of hours
14:36 jas_ wow when did that get adde
14:36 Krock !server abcd
14:36 MinetestBot Krock: No results
14:36 Megaf its not public yet
14:36 jas_ no the bot, i thought that was just #minetest, sweet
14:37 jas_ i'm on that server, i guess it takes a minute to show up
14:37 Megaf cya
14:37 jas_ bbfn
14:37 CWz this is all the error gives me: https://pastebin.com/EtXWSVCq anyone experienced this? using 0.4.16
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14:38 jas_ those are some pretty big numbers, eh?
14:38 jas_ (i dunno, is that right?)
14:38 jas_ haven't seen that error before
14:51 Krock CWz, yes. some mod of yours divides 1 by 0
14:54 CWz i wonder which one
14:54 Krock or it performs a arcsin operation on a value like 2 or -1.4
14:55 Krock however, many mathematical functions (even math.sqrt) can return nan
14:55 CWz could it be the sethome mod that comes with 0.4.16
14:56 CWz i have a feeling i will need to set a debug build
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14:59 shivajiva had a few of those errors, resulted in me checking vectors for validity in a couple of mods to stop the crash
14:59 shivajiva areas was one
15:04 CWz hmm
15:04 CWz was this bug patched?
15:08 shivajiva I never made a pr, I think everyone suffering the error just patched it out in the mods that caused crashes. Don't know where it went from there. Seemed core related though as it happened around 0.4.15
15:10 shivajiva I remember adding the vector check to teleport on skyblocks
15:10 shivajiva I think one case had been left unchecked
15:14 benrob0329 I never paid much attention to Aliveai before, but it's actually really cool
15:15 shivajiva I went through all the mods I was using and patched for nil and NaN checks, it left me with the ubiquitous Lua OOM error once in a blue moon
15:15 shivajiva but it was the only error I caouldn't really trace
15:16 shivajiva -a
15:17 shivajiva I mean how does it produce a OOM within a minute of a restart for a couple of cycles and then stop and behave for a month
15:17 shivajiva it just made no sense
15:18 benrob0329 Technology, amiright
15:20 Mr_Pardison you might be right.
15:21 * Mr_Pardison is listening to Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil deGrasse Tyson
15:21 IhrFussel CWz, That error mainly happens in mods that use a position ... easy fix is to check if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end
15:22 IhrFussel I never saw that error again in months after I added that check to all my mods
15:22 CWz what check?
15:22 IhrFussel "if pos.x < -31000 or pos.x > 31000 then return end"
15:23 CWz hmm i wonder why the mod started acting out now
15:24 IhrFussel Look for a variable that gets assigned get_pos() and check for variable.x < -31000/> 31000
15:24 IhrFussel The error is random, happens very rarily but it was enough for me to prevent the crashes
15:38 CWz if it is the areas mod that i suspect foul play on my server.
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15:57 shivajiva better to check all axis, as it does seem to occur on different axis
15:58 shivajiva I've seen it on x and z, not sure about y though
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16:02 shivajiva I added the check to function areas:getAreasAtPos(pos)
16:02 paramat ~tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen
16:02 paramat hm no tell
16:03 shivajiva don't you need ! at the start?
16:07 paramat maybe, i thought they were the same, perhaps not
16:08 Krock they're only the same if there's ShadowBot
16:08 Krock you'll need !  for MTB here
16:08 paramat ok thanks
16:08 paramat !tell Raven262 your screenshot shows a dungeon that has 'overgenerated' over a mapchunk border into a neighbouring already-generated mapchunk, so part of the tree was changed to cooble. in mapgen decorations are indeed placed after dungeongen
16:08 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when Raven262 is around
16:09 ThomasMonroe paramat, does Travis failing affect a PR gettng merged?
16:09 paramat not necessarily
16:10 ThomasMonroe lol ok, because Travis couldn't install a dep during checking my PR
16:11 paramat no problem, we ignore if Travis's fault
16:11 ThomasMonroe kk thanks
16:24 FourFire I'm trying to execute several commands inside minetest.register_on_shutdown()
16:24 FourFire How do i do that?
16:24 Krock minetest.register_on_shutdown(function()  cmd1() cmd2() end)
16:26 Krock if these are chat commands, replace cmd1(), cmd2() with minetest.registered_chatcom​mands["status"].func(name, param)  or any other command name you would like to execute
16:35 Krock !next
16:35 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:35 Mr-Pardison lol
16:43 Megaf back
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16:45 benrob0329 Megaf: wb
16:45 Megaf Thanks
16:45 benrob0329 The concept for this Lets Play has changed like 10 times
16:46 benrob0329 First it was going to be western, but since the people I'm doing it with are doing another series (the other game) in western it was changed to steampunk
16:46 jas_ paramat: yes, i misunderstood all over the place.  thank you lol : )
16:47 benrob0329 But steampunk was going to be way too much work, so it was changed to a subgame, then another, and so on
16:47 benrob0329 Now its the Mars survival mod and aliveai
16:47 paramat no problem =)
16:49 Megaf wheres tenplus1?
16:49 Megaf He is not spending much time with us anymore
16:50 benrob0329 It is close to the holidays
16:51 IhrFussel CWz, The areas mod is exactly one case where I added the check
16:59 Krock IhrFussel, why don't you use a log() call before returning? that would help a lot to find out what mods produce that garbage
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17:19 IhrFussel Krock, get_pos() causes that garbage
17:19 IhrFussel There is nothing the mods do to get_pos() They simply try to fetch the player pos and at random times the pos seems to return the extreme number
17:20 IhrFussel It mostly happened to areas, vehicle mods, nether on my server
17:21 Krock or caused by set_pos() with wrong values
17:22 Krock which doesn't check against nan values
17:22 IhrFussel But mods cannot overwrite set_pos() to be something non-existent...or can they?
17:27 Krock they can feed it with wrong values
17:31 IhrFussel What? That'e the engine's responsibility IMO to validate pos by mods
17:31 IhrFussel That's*
17:31 IhrFussel Or at least builtin should handle it
17:36 Krock builtin can't do much against that. we need 1) Lua backtraces in this case (we have a pending PR for that) and 2) nan checks
17:36 Megaf Thomas-S: I granted you interact...
17:40 RobbieF Hey gang... A little something from our studio to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5M7sFGoDmU
17:40 Thomas-S Thanks!
17:41 paramat *sigh*
17:42 benrob0329 Does anyone else feel like we need one or troops  very configurable mapgens, rather than 5 semi-configurable mapgens?
17:43 Megaf now darkage decided to not work anymore
17:43 Megaf it was working
17:43 Krock RobbieF,
17:43 Megaf then I added unified inventory
17:43 Megaf and now darkage is crashing
17:43 RobbieF Hey Krock
17:43 Krock are you just the cameraman or acting there?
17:43 Krock hello :)
17:43 RobbieF I'm the "hyperactive" one in the middle  :p
17:44 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000890/ <- help?
17:44 RobbieF aka DOME
17:44 Krock oh nice
17:44 RobbieF :D
17:45 Krock oh well, IDE is a very wrong term for the PATA drives
17:45 Krock Megaf, get stairsplus?
17:45 RobbieF :p
17:45 Krock !mod stairsplus
17:45 MinetestBot Krock: circular saw for easier handling of stairsplus-nodes by Sokomine - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4377
17:45 RobbieF I still think it was a good example LOL
17:45 Megaf Krock: why was it working before?
17:46 Krock Megaf, hidden bugs that pop up on runtime execution: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6140
17:49 * benrob0329 is restraining his comments to avoid making the watershed PR a flame war
17:49 Megaf Krock: still crashing with circularsaw installed
17:49 Megaf and inst circular saw included in moreblocks?
17:49 shivajiva yup
17:50 Krock stairsplus can also be found in moreblocks, yes.
17:50 paramat now another physical threat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6778
17:50 Krock or you could try to fix darkage manually as it seems to be not working correctly
17:51 Krock paramat, psychical threat, not physical.
17:51 Krock they won't throw rotten eggs at you :P
17:52 Megaf Krock: tenplus1s farming mod is causing darkage to crash
17:53 benrob0329 Megaf: did you update it?
17:53 benrob0329 (Yet)
17:53 Megaf benrob0329: everything is fresh
17:53 Krock Megaf, how's that possible? sauce please
17:53 Megaf Krock: you are the dev
17:54 Krock Krock, I mean. what darkage mod are you using? there are three of them
17:54 Krock (at least)
17:55 Megaf and tenplusone carts mod is also crashing the server
17:55 Krock s/Krock/Megaf/
17:55 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000892/
17:55 Megaf his mods used to be quite good...
17:55 Megaf or minetest is so bad now that even good mods crash
17:55 Krock typo from old boost_cart code. replace mesecon with mesecons.
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17:56 Krock or remove the detector
17:56 Megaf ok, typo was easy to fix..
17:57 Megaf still crashing
17:57 Krock nvm, wrong advice. Replacing it won't solve the problem.
17:58 Krock Megaf, huh? in 10+1's version that file is never included
17:58 Krock unless you have the mod "mesecons" enabled in your world
17:59 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000894/
17:59 Megaf Krock: mods ^
17:59 Krock ah. there we go. missing optional dependency for "mesecons": https://github.com/tenplus1/c​arts/blob/master/depends.txt
17:59 paramat heh
17:59 Megaf will remove circularsaw
18:00 paramat note pilino1234 is now my new harasser, it's not so obvious to others yet
18:00 Krock minetest.get_modpath returns a non-nil value because the mod is going to be loaded but AFTER carts, as it's not found as a dependency there
18:01 Megaf so?
18:01 Krock Megaf, add mesecons to carts/depends.txt
18:02 Krock paramat, perhaps the map generator needs a bit tweaking. they seem to be disappointed of the current version - nevertheless it's still WIP
18:02 paramat lol
18:02 Mr_Pardison afk lunch
18:03 Megaf the only modder whos mods I have never had ANY problem with is Sokomine
18:03 Megaf And I have lots of mods from her
18:03 Krock Megaf, install boost_cart. It'll (hopefully) work :P
18:04 Megaf Krock: I undid the typos fix and added mesecons to depends, it worked
18:04 Krock now back to the darkage stuff. what version (and from where) did you clone it?
18:06 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:06:07: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "screwdriver" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bi​n/../mods/workbench/init.lua:3
18:06 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:06:08: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "stairsplus" accessed at ...egafServer/BinMegafServer/bi​n/../mods/darkage/stairs.lua:3
18:07 Megaf could this be causing it to crash?
18:07 Megaf I dont have screwdriver
18:07 Krock no. it's not an error. yet.
18:07 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/1000895/
18:08 Megaf that only happens when I enable farming from tenplus1
18:09 Thomas-S I think I had a similiar case once when there was a "circle" of mod dependencies.
18:11 Megaf Krock: which darkage mod should I use?
18:11 Megaf I will just restore the old version I had...
18:12 Megaf minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/mods$ cp -R ../mods.bkp/darkage .
18:12 Krock the most recent I guess.. no clue. Restore if it works.
18:12 Megaf that fixed it ^
18:13 Megaf ok, gotta get nether to work now
18:14 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "nether" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "vector_extras" "glow" "riesenpilz"
18:14 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:12:18: ERROR[Main]: mod "throwing_arrows" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "throwing"
18:14 Megaf Just leaving that here for reference
18:15 Megaf where to I guet the mod vector_extras from?
18:16 Krock !mod vector_extras
18:16 MinetestBot Krock: More vector helpers [vector_extras] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8533
18:16 Krock ^ Megaf, MTB is your friend
18:17 Megaf I was in that forum topic already, totally missed the github link...
18:17 Megaf !mod throwing
18:17 MinetestBot Megaf: Throwing, PilzAdam version [throwing] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2805
18:20 Megaf And how can I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000898
18:20 Megaf just restore my old nether mod too?
18:21 Megaf interesting, my old mod was called  minetest-nether
18:21 Megaf not netherpack
18:21 Megaf !mod minetest-nether
18:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Could not find anything.
18:22 Megaf !mod nether
18:22 MinetestBot Megaf: Nether [nether] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5790
18:22 benrob0329 Megaf: try paramat's nether
18:24 Megaf From https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-nether
18:24 Megaf that is the good one ^
18:25 Megaf but it too crashes in current minetest 0.4
18:26 benrob0329 Megaf: did you enable the whole mudpack?
18:27 benrob0329 *modpack
18:27 jas_ mm muds
18:27 Megaf theres only nether in the pack
18:28 Krock mudpack++
18:28 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: ...MegafServer/bin/../mods/minet​est-nether/nether/guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string)
18:28 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:28:07: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
18:28 Megaf Who is HybridDog on IRC>
18:28 Megaf >
18:28 Megaf ?
18:28 Krock w_laenger
18:28 Megaf !seen w_laenger
18:28 MinetestBot Megaf: w_laenger was last seen at 2017-11-12 09:18:58 UTC on #minetest
18:29 Megaf !tell w_laenger Nether is broken in latest minetest backport-0.4
18:29 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around
18:29 Megaf !tell w_laenger guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string
18:29 MinetestBot Megaf: I'll pass that on when w_laenger is around
18:29 Krock Megaf, change https://github.com/HybridDog/nether-p​ack/blob/master/nether/guide.lua#L318  to local tab = minetest.wrap_text(content, guide_size.fx, true)
18:29 Krock (additional true argument)
18:30 Krock that fixes the issue for you
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18:31 Megaf ok, now next mod to be fixed is throwing
18:31 Krock o/ IhrFussel
18:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: ...rver/BinMegafServer/bin/../m​ods/throwing_arrows/init.lua:1: attempt to index global 'throwing' (a nil value)
18:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:31:35: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
18:33 paramat i don't have a nether mod, the one i worked on is PilzAdam's repo, i recommend that
18:33 Megaf I will just not use the throwing
18:33 Krock throwing_arrows? rename to "throwing", I guess
18:34 Krock can't find any mod called throwing_arrows
18:34 Megaf throwing_arrows depend on throwing
18:34 Megaf Ok, server is up
18:34 Megaf lets join and see whats broken still
18:34 benrob0329 Megaf: are both enabled, and depend done right?
18:35 benrob0329 *deps
18:35 Megaf benrob0329: yep
18:35 Krock Megaf, I guess it requires this throwing version: https://github.com/minetest-mods/throwing
18:36 Megaf Thanks, will try soon, Joining the server now to see if Nether and other stuff sis working
18:36 Megaf s/sis/is
18:36 Megaf ^ <- x)
18:36 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
18:36 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (11ms)
18:36 Krock !next
18:36 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
18:37 Megaf spawn looks good
18:37 IhrFussel Stupid internet not stable today
18:40 Megaf Shara: you still in nether aye?
18:42 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 18:42:39: [Server] Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "coloredwood:fence_white" at (15,3,485) (block (0,0,30))
18:42 Megaf Krock: whats that
18:43 Krock that's a set_node() call with a node name that is unknown
18:43 Thomas-S It seems like all coloredwood fences are unkown nodes on your server
18:46 Megaf ok, will just restore from the old version then
18:46 Megaf firefox eating my memory
18:46 Megaf hm, no, something else
18:49 Megaf I had a billion of qemu threads open by libvirt...
18:50 Megaf dont use libvirt
18:55 Megaf VanessaE: moretrees still crashing my server
18:55 Megaf xP
18:56 Megaf wil pastebin, hold on
18:56 Megaf Thomas-S: crashed
18:56 Thomas-S I noticed :)
18:56 Megaf Krock: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000903
18:56 Megaf VanessaE: ^
18:57 sofar missing dependency/mod incompatibility
18:58 sofar but, that's not the crash
18:58 Krock no, the error is raised for excessive node finding use
18:58 sofar the palm code is just dumb
18:58 sofar yeah
18:59 Megaf Thomas-S: server up with new streets
18:59 sofar Megaf: is that vanilla/stock moretrees?
18:59 Megaf sofar: from minetest-mods, yes
18:59 sofar we should patch minetest-mods/moretrees to resolve that
18:59 Krock I imagine that takes quite a while to execute that function, so optimizing doesn't only eliminate the error, but also makes the execution faster
19:00 sofar will look in a sec
19:00 Krock there should be heightmaps available for most of the mapgens (if not all)
19:00 sofar that's what she said
19:01 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "asphalt" "asphaltstairs" "concretestairs" "constructionarea" "delineator" "emergencyphone" "labels" "manholes" "roadsigns" "roadworks" "steelsupport" "streetlamps" "streetsawards" "streetsconcrete" "streetshotfix" "
19:01 Megaf 2017-12-15 18:58:49: ERROR[Main]: treetsmod" "streetspoles" "trafficlight"
19:01 Megaf Thomas-S:
19:01 Megaf I did git pull from old streets
19:01 Megaf maybe I need a fresh git clone instead
19:02 Thomas-S Please disable all those mods and only enable a mod called "streets"
19:02 Megaf oh boy
19:03 Thomas-S A git clone won't help, world.mt needs to be modified. :)
19:04 Megaf !mod ts_workshop
19:04 MinetestBot Megaf: Could not find anything.
19:04 Megaf Thomas-S: I need that
19:04 Thomas-S https://github.com/minetest-mods/ts_workshop
19:04 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:03:36: ERROR[Main]: mod "castle_gates" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "castle_masonry"
19:04 Megaf and what?
19:05 Megaf is that part of streets?
19:05 sofar I don't like how some of those mods are a virtual maze of dependencies
19:05 Krock just enable the entire modpack.. that solves it
19:05 * Jordach wihistles without the baggage of Minetest Game
19:05 Thomas-S The ts_workshop mod is a library for workshop nodes like they are used in streets mod and ts_doors mod.
19:07 Krock Thomas-S, you could reduce the ts_workshop init.lua file size by 960 bytes by replacing ts_workshop[mod][name] with a local table reference called "ws" or similar
19:08 * sofar smacks Krock with sed
19:08 Krock sofar, won't work entirely as two lines must stay as-is
19:08 Thomas-S Thanks, Krock (and sofar), for your suggestion. I'll do this soon.
19:12 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafS​erver/bin/../mods/streets/init.lua:
19:12 Megaf 2017-12-15 19:11:32: ERROR[Main]: Number of registerable nodes (32768) exceeded (streets:sign_us_merge_newlane_center)
19:12 Megaf Thomas-S: ^
19:12 Krock something important that Minetest hasn't got yet is a mod that gives particular items in a fixed interval, so players can PvP by building towers and fight for their team
19:12 Thomas-S streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true in minetest.conf helps.
19:12 Thomas-S I'll make this the default soon
19:12 Megaf Krock: currency gives money at interval
19:13 Krock Megaf, but then you need an economy to buy items - which is pretty hard for a small team PvP map
19:14 Megaf Thomas-S: streets/minetest.conf? Can I add streets.only_basic_stairsplus=true to mod.conf ?
19:14 Krock or admin shops which have infinite items. not quite handy when it comes to fast reacting
19:14 Megaf I dont want to add stuff to my minetest.conf from mods
19:15 Thomas-S As far as I know, such lines can only be placed in the global minetest.conf. If someone else knows more, please inform us.
19:15 Krock also works in the subgame's minetest.conf
19:16 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 30003
19:16 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms)
19:16 Jordach !up jordach.net
19:16 MinetestBot jordach.net:30000 is up (11ms)
19:16 Jordach jej
19:17 Jordach fun fact, that's in paris
19:17 Megaf my server is in France too
19:17 Megaf maybe Paris
19:18 Megaf My server started its life in Brazil, then in a couple of cities in USA, the longest was Atlanta. Then I moved it to Frankfurt and then London, where it was until last month
19:18 Megaf basically 2 years in Atlanta and 2 in London
19:19 sofar ok, gonna peek at moretrees for a sec
19:20 Krock Megaf, just ensure that you know where it is, to not let this happen: http://bash.org/?5273  :P
19:20 sofar 155 mods in minetest-mods, nice
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19:21 Megaf Krock: that happened to me once
19:22 Megaf 19:22 [NickServ] Information on Erno (account Erno):
19:22 Megaf 19:22 [NickServ] Last seen  : Jan 18 20:34:46 2016 (1y 47w 2d ago)
19:25 Megaf theres one thread in my server that is often at 100%
19:25 Megaf any way I can trace whats causing that?
19:25 sofar mod_profiling?
19:25 sofar but, hard to get working right
19:27 Megaf how I wish we had more threads in MT
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19:29 Megaf where vines come from again?
19:29 Megaf plantlife?
19:30 Krock grep -r "vine"
19:30 Megaf found it
19:30 Megaf it is plantlife
19:30 Megaf I dont remember how to stop them from spawning
19:30 Megaf im sure rm -rf vines will work
19:31 Krock sudo rm -rf /* will do it
19:33 Megaf ok, vines removed, darkage mapgen is disabled, bees ABMs are switched off
19:34 Megaf server should run faster now
19:35 Megaf and I just commented out init.lua in vines
19:37 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:36:47: [Server] Item "nyancat:nyancat_rainbow" not defined at position (302,15,347)
19:37 Megaf we lost the nyancat!!!!!!!!
19:37 Megaf my players loved that
19:38 Thomas-S Megaf: https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu
19:39 Megaf nope,
19:39 Megaf I will readd nyamcat
19:40 Thomas-S I prefer the real nyancats, too, but I was afraid of copyright violations
19:40 Krock well done, Thomas-S. It needs mooore attraction
19:41 Thomas-S Thanks, Krock, but I think that another player had the idea for this mod (maybe tenplus1?), so I decided not to advert it as my mod.
19:41 Mr-Pardison Thomas-S: nicely done with the textures. looks uniform and like it would go nicely in deep caves.
19:41 Thomas-S The textures are by tenplus1 for sure. :)
19:42 Shara Megaf: Probably?
19:42 Krock Thomas-S, already wondered whether I should start writing that moo/GNU mod after I've seen the textures in that issue
19:42 Shara Hi everyone
19:42 Krock hi Shara
19:42 Mr-Pardison Mew shara
19:42 Mr-Pardison what's up?
19:42 Shara Hi Krock and mew Mr P.
19:43 Thomas-S Hello, Shara!
19:43 Shara Hi Thomas :)
19:43 Krock Thomas-S, publish it on the forums :)
19:43 Shara Mr P, not so much. Ambition for tonight is make one MT PR... but we will see.
19:43 Shara It's possible I curl up and sleep instead :)
19:43 Thomas-S Krock: I'll add this to my to-do-list :)
19:43 Mr-Pardison I finally installed fedora yesterday and installed MTG today.
19:44 * Mr-Pardison puts install chrome as the next thing to install on his computer
19:45 Wayward_One hi all :)
19:45 Shara Hi Wayward_One
19:46 ThomasMonroe lol Shara, you pinged me
19:46 Shara You ping on just "Thomas"?
19:47 ThomasMonroe yes
19:47 Shara Sorry, but there are two of you :P
19:47 Krock ThomasMonroe, remove that ping. There's a name conflict
19:47 ThomasMonroe :/ wish I could, but almost everyone on my server calls me Tre or Thomas
19:47 Shara You will probably have to live with it then.
19:48 ThomasMonroe :P I was just making a light-hearted comment
19:48 ThomasMonroe I don't mind being pinged
19:48 Shara So was I :P
19:48 Krock ok Thomas
19:48 Shara And I don't mind if you get pinged :D
19:49 Thomas-S Megaf: There are a few unkown nodes at the space shuttle airport on your server
19:49 Krock Thomas-S, punch them to flood his log files
19:50 Thomas-S I'll punch one of each type, so that he can tell me the itemstrings :P
19:50 Krock doesn't F5 show them?
19:51 Thomas-S Not there. Sometimes it does, but not when needed :)
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20:03 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:50:34: [Server] Item "streets:rw_asphalt_solid" not defined at position (-381,8,48
20:03 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 19:50:36: [Server] Item "streets:rw_sideline" not defined at position (-384,8,488)
20:03 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:02:24: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-550,8,813)
20:04 Megaf Thomas-S: ^
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20:04 Thomas-S Thanks, I'll punch a few more now
20:04 Mr-Pardison \o Fixer
20:04 Megaf by the way, you should be having a better experience with world load
20:05 Thomas-S Yes, performance improved pretty much
20:08 Thomas-S Megaf: Could you please tell me the itemstrings?
20:09 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:48: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_l" not defined at position (-567,4,738)
20:09 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:49: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_side_stair_r" not defined at position (-564,4,738)
20:09 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:07:28: [Server] Item "streets:asphalt_outer_edge" not defined at position (-574,2,706)
20:10 Thomas-S And this one?
20:10 Megaf sideline
20:10 Thomas-S thanks
20:10 Megaf Thank yoyu
20:10 Thomas-S I'll test a little bit on a local world and then start to write a compatiblity mod.
20:11 Megaf Thanks
20:11 Thomas-S You're welcome
20:13 Megaf why kind of doctor should I see for a knee pain?
20:13 Jordach the doctor
20:13 Jordach *TARDIS noises*
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20:13 Megaf lol
20:13 Megaf let me get some coffee and toas with butter, brb
20:16 hoodedice nice to meet you, btw, Shara
20:16 Shara Likewise, good to have you with us :)
20:17 Megaf did you meet in person?
20:17 sofar Krock: Megaf: what do you think of this:
20:17 sofar https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f80​58bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4​530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt
20:17 sofar Megaf: try it if you can
20:18 hoodedice no... Just as an introductory greeting, I guess?
20:18 * Mr-Pardison feels he missed something
20:18 Mr-Pardison *scrolls through chat log*
20:19 hoodedice Wayward_One, if you don't mind, what is the exact issue that you were having with Minetest builds for Android? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=12169
20:20 Megaf sofar: I think I dont like Lua
20:20 Shara Megaf: why do you not like lua?
20:21 Megaf Not a pretty languange
20:21 hoodedice Megaf, that's coming a couple years too late xD
20:21 Wayward_One certain breakages earlier in the 0.5.0 dev cycle
20:21 Wayward_One it's being worked on though, and i have yet to try again
20:21 Megaf sofar: codewise seems fine, not sure about the space checking tho
20:22 Krock sofar, looks good. would be the better if there was a better way than looking up the entire area
20:22 Megaf Shara: opinions? ^
20:22 Shara On?
20:22 hoodedice something not core devs can fix? I want to try getting some experience with compiling for android
20:22 hoodedice *not-core-devs
20:22 Megaf Krock: yep, I don't like the way palm tree checks for space arround
20:22 sofar Krock: this code is a disaster, it would take a rewrite
20:22 sofar Megaf: do you have a sec to test it?
20:22 Krock good enough for a temporary fix
20:22 sofar I wanna make sure it doesn't crashies
20:22 sofar before I push
20:23 Megaf sofar: sure,
20:23 Megaf can you suggest a way to apply the diff?
20:23 sofar cd ...../moretrees
20:23 sofar curl -L https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ahkok/f80​58bb96b4807b4ff76f8ecd62f170a/raw/61a7c59af4​530dd78dd4f80136b6ca8ebae56fc0/gistfile1.txt | patch -p1
20:23 Megaf my old friend patch -p1 :)
20:23 Megaf like good old days patching the Linux kernel
20:24 Wayward_One hoodedice, this should have fixed it if i understand correctly: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628
20:24 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL
20:24 * Wayward_One decides to try it soon
20:24 hoodedice okay, I'll try to see if I can compile it for now
20:24 Krock hoodedice, we're low on android devs, that's why development there is pretty much stalling. See https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628 for the most recent fix
20:24 hoodedice Krock, that's what my intention is
20:25 hoodedice to get on the android development side of things
20:25 Shara We certainly need someone working on it.
20:25 hoodedice it'll be a couple weeks before I can do anything substantial, sure, but if I keep trying I should "get it"
20:25 Shara Good luck then, quite seriously.
20:26 Megaf hoodedice: anyone can work on Minetest, and if your work is good you may be invited to join the core dev team
20:26 Megaf hoodedice: you see? It's been 5 or 6 years already and they never invited me. It means my work was never good enough
20:26 * Megaf giggles
20:27 Shara Megaf: how long since you made a PR? :P
20:27 Megaf Shara: not long, 3 or 4 years?
20:27 hoodedice I liked you back when I was a shitposter Megaf and I like you now :D
20:28 Megaf sofar: date palms still working
20:28 Megaf hoodedice: hah, I like you too :)
20:28 * Fixer will test some translucency codes
20:29 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-12-15 20:28:25: [Server] Item "glow:stone" not defined at position (217,-23,81)
20:29 Megaf hm
20:29 Megaf I have glow mod enabled
20:29 hoodedice dev.minetest.net has certificate errors?
20:32 Megaf 2017-12-15 20:32:19: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): .../mods/homedecor_modpack/homed​ecor/handlers/expansion.lua:107: attempt to index global 'creative' (a nil value)
20:32 sofar Megaf: awesome, thanks for testing
20:32 Megaf How do I sort that out? ^
20:33 Megaf and why is it trying to do creative related stuff?
20:34 Fixer man, internet is slow AF today, and I'm not even in US
20:34 Megaf sofar: thatk's for improving it
20:34 * sofar pushes
20:34 Megaf Fixer: you are not the only one complaining
20:35 Fixer omg
20:36 Fixer first translucency code is indeed slow AF
20:36 Jordach my internet speeds have been fine
20:39 benrob0329 Jordach: so have mine
20:39 Fixer 90+/35(trans1)/90+(trans2, blinks)
20:40 Shara I just tested, and also fine
20:40 Megaf Shara: sofars patch?
20:40 Shara Internet, since that was the last talked about thing
20:40 Megaf lol
20:41 Megaf tested here too
20:41 Megaf 17 mpbs
20:41 Megaf on wifi
20:41 Shara I can't test other patches right now, since I am testing something I've been working on myself
20:41 Megaf that is fine
20:41 Megaf that is fine too
20:42 benrob0329 My internet might actually be faster today
20:42 Mr-Pardison testing net speeds now.
20:42 Mr-Pardison this is when tethered to the wall outlet.
20:43 Mr-Pardison 203.9 Mbps download, 3.03 mbps upload. 10 ms latency.
20:44 Jordach http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194278.png
20:44 Jordach git gud
20:44 Jordach and this is at peak time
20:44 Shara Jordach: I can't be bothered to pay them more than I do
20:44 Mr-Pardison Jordach: try this one. http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883194856.png
20:45 Shara But that ping on mine can't be real.
20:45 Shara It's usually about 16 to that test server
20:45 Shara Now 1?
20:48 benrob0329 Shara: very close server?
20:49 IhrFussel The new 5G internet tries to reduce latency for all connections
20:52 Shara about 50 miles away
20:52 Shara It's the default it gives me for testing
20:53 Shara But like I said, usually around 16
20:53 benrob0329 I want a commertial fibre line, then I can set up dedicated hosting from my house :P
20:54 benrob0329 Unfortunately that would be very expensive
20:54 IhrFussel http://www.huawei.com/minis​ite/5g/en/defining-5g.html ... if all that becomes true 5G will be a wet dream for every internet user
20:57 hoodedice okay, Wayward_One I will ask for help now
20:57 hoodedice If you can guide me on how you last compiled it, I will write documentation for it :)
20:57 benrob0329 IhrFussel: holy..
20:58 benrob0329 I mean, we only got cable in our area a couple years ago, but 10GB/s would be..glorious
20:59 Mr-Pardison got google fiber in our city but hasn't come to our area yet.
20:59 Fixer sofar: i'm on DSL
20:59 benrob0329 RIP
21:00 Mr-Pardison RIP Fixer.
21:00 Fixer at least it is not dialup
21:00 Fixer i even sometimes have 480p youtube problems, not often though
21:01 Fixer on rare days 720p plays ok
21:01 Mr-Pardison g2g cya
21:02 IhrFussel benrob0329, I don't think it's 10 GB/s ... I read somewhere realistic would be 800 MB/s which is still A LOT
21:02 benrob0329 Indeed
21:03 Fixer with damaged wire by shovel
21:03 IhrFussel I wonder why DSL doesn't evolve like mobile connections
21:03 Fixer "Microsoft is quietly forcing some Windows 10 computers to install a password manager that contains a critical vulnerability disclosed 16 months ago that allows websites to steal passwords, a researcher said Friday."
21:04 Fixer IhrFussel: it evolves, but there are limits on connection
21:04 hoodedice _facepalm_ : found the android build directory with a makefile
21:04 benrob0329 This is why I don't use Windows
21:04 Wayward_One hoodedice, i followed the instructions on the dev wiki, but that appears to be down
21:04 Fixer IhrFussel: those wires are older than you and me combined
21:04 hoodedice Fixer, what's the source for that quote?
21:04 Megaf since everybody is sharing internet
21:04 Megaf http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883241019.png
21:04 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-technolo​gy/2017/12/microsoft-is-forcing-users-to-ins​tall-a-critically-flawed-password-manager/
21:05 Wayward_One also, it still fails to compile, but i think there's another pr still waiting
21:05 IhrFussel Fixer, I know that lots of connections still use copper wires, but even the modern ones can't top 1 Gbit/s AFAIK
21:06 IhrFussel At least here in Germany the providers only offer 50,000 or 150,000 max
21:07 IhrFussel But internet in Germany is a joke anyways...luckily the gov recognized that recently and plans to improve it in the next years
21:08 sfan5 the "improvements" they have made so far are mostly a joke too
21:08 Shara Yay, guess who's in Germany next week....
21:08 Shara You are not making me look forward to the visit :P
21:08 garywhite Since everyone is sharing speeds http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6883250450
21:09 IhrFussel sfan5, they said villages will likely not get fast internet anytime soon but larger cities should improve
21:10 sfan5 Shara: expect to find public wifi barely anywhere
21:10 sfan5 likely not an issue anyway since most mobile plans now include EU roaming
21:10 Megaf garywhite: you are super laggy
21:10 Megaf Skype must be bad
21:10 Megaf 9 ms here :)
21:10 Calinou hi
21:10 garywhite 13ms is laggy?
21:10 Shara sfan5: I don't have a smartphone :)
21:10 Megaf Hi Calinou
21:11 Megaf I wonder what my actuall internet speed would be, with a cable
21:11 hoodedice hi Calinou
21:11 Calinou talking about countries, I have to do a semester abroad next year, so I submitted my choices to the university today
21:11 Megaf Im on 802.11a currently
21:11 Calinou (two universities in Belgium)
21:11 Megaf any Irish?
21:11 Shara Hmm, will be the first time I use my laptop in the country it was bought from
21:12 IhrFussel The free Wi-Fi has a reason: The law didn't "allow" open networks without responsibility...the court just recently confirmed that offering a public Wi-Fi doesn't make you liable as owner
21:12 Fixer lol, i have 40ms
21:12 Fixer 9 ms is insanely good ping
21:13 Fixer when I had dial up, it was about 120 ms or so
21:13 garywhite Megaf: 13ms on WiFi
21:13 ThomasMonroe pings are even worse on satellite XD
21:13 Fixer Calinou: do they offer North Korea unis?
21:13 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that many companies/services will announce free Wi-Fi hotspots now that they don't need to fear a fine anymore
21:14 Fixer IhrFussel: very nice
21:15 hoodedice in other FOSS related things
21:15 hoodedice I am beginning to quite dislike android for a variety of reasons
21:16 hoodedice I think I will pick up a Purism phone when it comes out next year
21:16 Fixer news flash
21:16 garywhite name 1 hoodedice
21:16 IhrFussel In Berlin the transport company started offering free Wi-Fi for the subway stations and in a shopping mall I used o2 Wi-Fi ... so as long as you are in a large city in Germany and visit some popular place you will have free internet
21:16 hoodedice overdependence on google services out of the box
21:16 Fixer just buy that nokia 1100 or how it is called and don't bother
21:16 Fixer black one with small screen
21:17 garywhite What about the new 3310
21:17 Calinou Fixer: nope
21:17 Calinou hoodedice: yeah, Google is making it really hard to use a FOSS-friendly Android device
21:17 Calinou most high-end devices are very custom ROM-unfriendly today
21:17 Calinou the AOSP apps were all scrapped for Google apps as of newer Android versions
21:17 hoodedice android 7 makes it harder to set up your own ROM as well, since (IIUC: If I Understood Correctly) the /system partition is set up in such a way that modifications to it make a device unbootable (checksum?)
21:18 Calinou nah, I've run Android 7.0 custom ROMs
21:18 Calinou including on a LG G3, which never supported 7.0 officially :)
21:18 Calinou (only up to 6.0)
21:18 Calinou it worked decently
21:18 Calinou unfortunately, the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge is really bad at custom ROMs ("wow samsung")
21:18 Calinou so I'm running the stock ROM, which isn't great for battery life and everything
21:18 Calinou I have that phone for 11 months now, and its battery isn't quite as good as it used to be
21:19 Calinou (still enough for one day, but not two
21:19 Calinou )
21:19 Megaf Shara: one of the only reasons I have a smartphone is photos with geotagging and tracking my motion, steps, bike rides, and walks
21:19 hoodedice this sony I have is pretty neat
21:19 Calinou talking about bikes/walks… my parents got a new car earlier this week
21:19 hoodedice Xperia X. sd650/3GB RAM for $250
21:19 Calinou as I now have a license, I got to drive it :)
21:19 Calinou it's the first time we have an automatic
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21:20 Shara Megaf: I use the internet enough at home, don't want the temptation with me every single place I go
21:20 Shara When I'm ont he move, I'd rather be looking at the world
21:21 Megaf hah, I barerly use my phone on the internet, despiste be having ulimited 3G
21:21 Megaf mostly youtube and important emails
21:21 Shara well, I have a work phone for work stuff
21:21 hoodedice I guess we all would have similar usages of phones
21:21 Megaf ah, I use my phone for 2 factor auth in everything
21:21 Shara but I'll stick to a computer for everything else
21:21 Megaf I have an app with those codes that change all the time
21:22 hoodedice it's like if we know enough about computers, we appreciate the world a little more :^)
21:23 Fixer mine is used as dumb phone + camera
21:23 benrob0329 I am also planning on buying a purism phone
21:24 benrob0329 The Librem5 is even backed by Matrix and NextCloud :D
21:25 hoodedice in related news, has anyone seen this? https://system76.com/pop
21:26 Krock what's that? unix?
21:26 benrob0329 My WM config is more "out of the way" than that GNOME setup
21:27 hoodedice it is a GNOME thing that promises to be "extremely maker friendly"
21:27 benrob0329 Especially if trying to run on low-tier hardware :P
21:27 Krock looks like xubuntu
21:27 hoodedice I just suck at configuring things, so I am intrigued with the window snapping shortcuts they have out of the box
21:27 hoodedice no
21:27 hoodedice it looks more like vanilla ubuntu to me
21:28 benrob0329 hoodedice: why snap, when you can tile?
21:28 benrob0329 Snapping is the poor man's tiling
21:28 hoodedice because I'm used to it on Windows
21:28 benrob0329 Thats not an argument :p
21:28 hoodedice 10 has some amazingly neat snapping, and with them now having virtual desktops as well
21:29 hoodedice I had some pretty neat workflow thingy going
21:30 benrob0329 Thats literally every *Nix desktop since like, the 90s
21:31 hoodedice if I can get the shortcuts for xubuntu's snapping thing, I would be happy
21:31 hoodedice keyboard shortcuts
21:32 benrob0329 <Win> + arrow
21:32 benrob0329 Or alt, if its set to be alt
21:32 hoodedice no, it needs to be set up
21:32 hoodedice but I found the options so I'm good
21:33 hoodedice "Switch window for same application" -- oh boy this is so nice
21:33 benrob0329 I've got a nice workflow going with Vim and Syntastic, Tiling, and Firefox in one workspace over
21:33 benrob0329 :P
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21:38 hoodedice hi paramat
21:38 Calinou https://lut.im/NntN2YD8Sw/VCrLj9S3VyHObtfV.jpg
21:38 Calinou https://lut.im/6BLHmGzqHw/tyvKY5t82Z3TY9J7.jpg
21:38 Calinou the new car my parents got :)
21:38 Shara Hi paramat
21:38 hoodedice it looks nice
21:38 Calinou I love driving it, it's much better than any other car I've driven
21:39 Megaf folks, how can I use a git command to enter all mod folders and do a git pull in everything?
21:39 hoodedice recursive bash script?
21:39 Megaf with svn I can do just svn update *
21:39 Calinou Megaf: I made a basic script for this: https://gist.github.com/Ca​linou/93938dc92484bc5e89f0
21:39 Calinou for more elaborate use cases, use https://github.com/earwig/git-repo-updater
21:39 Calinou (uses Python)
21:40 Fixer Calinou: parked somewhat funny into the bushes
21:40 Calinou Fixer: :D
21:40 Krock Calinou, just a meter forward to re-shape the bush definitely
21:40 Krock these ninjas...
21:40 Calinou the car is performing gardening
21:41 Megaf Calinou: I like the second option
21:42 sofar btw, using a gaussion blur on text can be reversed, so don't use it to anonymize license plates
21:43 Krock not as good if you export it with low jpeg quality
21:43 Megaf Calinou: beautiful car
21:43 Calinou sofar: probably made it strong enough, no?
21:43 Calinou pure black is fugly
21:43 sofar that's the problem with blur, even at high strength it can be reversed
21:44 Calinou sounds like https://xkcd.com/538/ to me
21:44 sofar there are only 36 inputs to each letter, so
21:44 sofar deblurring has already led to humiliating hacks without physical access
21:44 Calinou I could have used gaussian blur with a very high value (like 1000) but meh
21:44 Calinou I'll do that next time
21:44 sofar a higher blur doesn't matter
21:44 sofar that's the point
21:45 Megaf "If you don't remember the radius, or you truncated the pixel values by working or saving the image as 8 bit (and then used lossy JPEG compression for good measure destroying data further) then standard inverse filtering will fail spectacularly."
21:45 Calinou the whole square would be one colour
21:45 Megaf sofar: ^
21:45 Megaf not so easy to reverse
21:45 Calinou yeah, xkcd 538 as usual
21:45 hoodedice just
21:45 hoodedice paint it over with a standard brush
21:45 sofar exactly
21:45 Calinou put emojis over it!
21:45 * Calinou hides
21:45 sofar area select, fill
21:45 Krock well, that would be a great car: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia​/commons/e/e4/Wienermobile-Bologna.jpg  relevant xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/1698/
21:45 hoodedice computationally faster than blurring too
21:45 Calinou yeah but that's ugly, it looks completely out of place
21:46 Calinou blurring with a huge radius is the same as filling with an average color anyway
21:46 sofar then copy+paste fake license plate
21:46 Calinou (but you don't have to spend time finding out the average color yourself, so you spend less time doing it)
21:46 hoodedice http://media.wheels.ca/vehicles/2498/22995​14/2017-Toyota-Corolla-iM-2299514-1-sm.jpg
21:46 hoodedice this is the car I want to get though
21:47 hoodedice but I won't until I actually get a job
21:47 sofar what are you doing here?
21:47 * sofar shoos hoodedice to get a job
21:47 hoodedice > can't work until February 11
21:47 hoodedice visa restrictions
21:48 sofar I'd still start interviewing :)
21:48 hoodedice and it's december and my resume and github are shit, so I'm working to do things I've wanted to do for a while
21:49 Calinou gotta earn that GitHub money
21:49 hoodedice rofl, nice one Cal
21:50 hoodedice I have money saved up from the years I worked as tech support on campus
21:50 paramat hi. hoodedice see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6731
21:50 Megaf I will have a job and a wife please. And for dessert a house seasoned with a couple of cars.
21:50 Megaf =/
21:51 Fixer wifen
21:51 hoodedice thanks param, starred. I will drop everything else and focus on this stuff first
21:56 paramat seems there is more work needed on android build system, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628
21:58 hoodedice getting an error on irrlicht_download
21:58 Wayward_One same error i got'
21:59 hoodedice found the fix
22:00 hoodedice make a directory in /$android_root/deps called 'irrlicht'
22:00 hoodedice If I look at it further there should be a way to fix the recipe to make this directory if it is missing
22:03 Wayward_One i don't seem to have an android_root, just android/deps with the irrlicht folder already present
22:03 hoodedice yes, that's what it was
22:04 Shara Yay, got there: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6792
22:04 hoodedice I should've specified, sorry. $android_root was minetest/build/android/
22:05 Wayward_One ah, okay
22:05 hoodedice Wayward_One, use stu's branch
22:05 Wayward_One Shara, nice addition :)
22:06 hoodedice https://github.com/stujones11/minetest
22:06 Wayward_One okay, i'll try that
22:06 Shara Now to hope they accept it :)
22:06 Shara I want to work on a subgame, and this has felt needed
22:07 hoodedice Makefile:623: recipe for target 'code/stujones11/minetest/build/andro​id/deps/gmp-6.1.2/usr/lib/libgmp.so' failed
22:07 hoodedice this is my current stopping point
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22:17 hoodedice it was a dependency error: m4
22:17 hoodedice okay, what's this
22:17 hoodedice typedef __int8_t      int8_t;
22:18 hoodedice https://gist.github.com/hoodedice​/0c4fff5d89acc158ad49b7a55215893c
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22:21 hoodedice ../libtool: line 1766: arm-linux-androideabi-gcc: command not found
22:21 hoodedice looks like I'm missing something on my end again
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22:50 Megaf Shara: my last PR... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2664
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22:53 Megaf Welcome back Thomas
22:54 ThomasMonroe thx
22:54 Megaf nerzhul: paramat: sofar: anything wrong with this PR? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6559
22:54 Megaf LGTM
22:59 Shara Megaf: Make some more!
23:07 Megaf 👌
23:09 Megaf That's sfan5 -> 😼
23:09 Shara Can't see it on here
23:10 Megaf 🤷 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:10 Megaf Shara: https://emojipedia.org/cat-face-with-wry-smile/
23:10 Shara Nice
23:10 Megaf Best website of the year ever! ^
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23:14 Megaf Welcome back Mr_Pardison
23:14 Mr_Pardison ty Megaf
23:14 Mr_Pardison Managed to snag the wifi at home and hop on here.
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23:19 Megaf Shara: will begin working on a PR in 5 minutes, though I'm sure it won't be merged.
23:22 Shara What will it do?
23:26 IhrFussel Change MT's name JK xD
23:27 Mr_Pardison >.<
23:29 Shara Do it!
23:29 Megaf Gonna make some coffee first
23:29 Mr_Pardison good idea.
23:31 Megaf I wonder if anyone actually use the tools in the subgame minimal to make mods
23:31 Sokomine idea regarding the protector mod (that mod is annoying me again): add a command that locates all protector blocks owned by the player in a given area, lists them and adds or removes another player to those protectors
23:32 Shara Megaf: I make mods using the subgame I plan to use the mod with
23:32 Sokomine megaf: minimal? is that still around?
23:33 Mr_Pardison Sokomine: yes. I've tried it to see what it is all about and it's still bland.
23:34 Shara That's kind of the point
23:35 Mr_Pardison ik.
23:35 Mr_Pardison needs salt.
23:39 Fixer ---- american date notation
23:39 Fixer i hate this crap
23:47 benrob0329 Fixer: whats wrong with date month year?
23:47 Fixer MM-DD-YY < this crap
23:47 Fixer is getting on my nerves
23:49 * Shara uses YYYYMMDD whenever given a choice
23:49 Megaf lovely
23:49 Megaf 2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/bi​n/../mods/castle/castle_tapestries/init.lua:
23:49 Megaf 2017-12-15 23:48:44: ERROR[Main]: ...egafServer/bin/../mods/castle​/castle_tapestries/init.lua:76: attempt to index global 'unifieddyes' (a nil value)
23:49 Shara Fixer: I'm european but worked as technical writer for a US company for quite some time... went half mad because some of them tried to format dates as we do to be nice to me.
23:49 Megaf it was working just 30 min ago
23:50 Megaf now is crashing
23:50 * benrob0329 sees so many date formats he ends up using a unix timestamp to name his screenshots
23:50 Shara Never knew who was being "nice" and who was being american
23:50 Sokomine Shara: sounds like complete and utter chaos :-)
23:50 Shara Eventually I made a rule that everyone would write months using letters
23:50 Megaf I'm using dd_Month_yyyy for my stuff like backups
23:50 Megaf like, 23_July_1987
23:51 Megaf or just Jul
23:51 Shara I like year-month-day for files because it orders
23:52 Shara Sokomine: It was... A very special kind
23:53 Megaf unifieddyes fixed, wonder what's going to be the next thing to brake
23:53 Shara My technical writing experience ended in: http://gingercat.tk/pics/08.jpg
23:53 Megaf break
23:54 Mr_Pardison Shara: XD
23:54 benrob0329 Shara: let's be honest though, all our grammar is inferior compare to the likes of Shakespeare
23:55 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: Shakespeare basically created the modern english language.
23:55 Shara Not really.
23:55 Shara Influenced, yes.
23:56 Mr_Pardison Key word was basically. didn't make all of it; just provided stuff.
23:59 Fixer Shara: yes, it is very nice for sorting but... there is like DATE field stored in filesystem anyway for that

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