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00:00 Megaf slight, like, bonet and hood. lift and escalator
00:00 Megaf oops
00:00 Megaf lift and elevator
00:01 Megaf very similar...
00:01 Megaf donuts and doughnuts
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00:02 Megaf Mr-Pardison: learn. https://capaworld.capa.org/2014/01/16/iris​h-english-vs-american-english-never-seems
00:03 Megaf and this http://www.stevenroyedwards.c​om/euroenglishdifferent.html
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00:53 * sofar goes $HOME
00:53 * Mr_Pardison is at home and feels like he might need a drink.
00:53 Mr_Pardison water, ofc.
00:56 Megaf I'm drinking water now
00:56 Megaf while trying to get ClearLinux to work on VirtualBox
00:56 Megaf perhaps I will need to use the installer
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01:00 benrob0329 sofar: do you know if /proc/btime is since kernel or init?
01:12 benrob0329 nvm
01:21 benrob0329 Laptop Boot Time: 3.94 seconds
01:21 Megaf benrob0329: can you create a server benchmark mod?
01:21 benrob0329 Megaf: possibly, what's needed?
01:21 Megaf Something that would measure Lua operations per second and mapgen performance
01:21 Megaf mapgen I mean, the v7 built in mapgen
01:22 benrob0329 that may be difficult, I don't think either of those things are recorded
01:22 Megaf benrob0329: so a Lua mod that calculated a pi number up to 10000 for example
01:22 benrob0329 ohh, like a seperate thing
01:24 Mr-Pardison Sokomine: https://github.com/Ezhh/warp_potions
01:25 Mr-Pardison under the features section in the README
01:42 benrob0329 Megaf: ok, I have a pi calculator
01:42 benrob0329 going to set the iterations to a sane number
01:42 benrob0329 I don't think this was a sane number...
01:43 Megaf benrob0329: common man, I'd do it myself if I knew Lua, it's not difficult
01:43 benrob0329 5000000000 iterations:
01:43 benrob0329 lua benchmark.lua  78.01s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 1:18.72 total
01:43 benrob0329 might be a bit too many lol
01:45 benrob0329 maybe 10 million iterations
01:45 Megaf 10000 is enough
01:45 Megaf or anything that will take 30 seconds in your hardware
01:46 benrob0329 this calculates pi to an increasing accuracy, but not to a decimal place
01:47 benrob0329 https://gist.github.com/benrob0329​/fa720f235833bd498db4784da6d1ba9e
01:47 benrob0329 lua benchmark.lua  15.59s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 15.726 total
01:47 benrob0329 on this i5 laptop
01:48 Megaf benrob0329: but I need a mod for the server
01:48 Megaf to benchmark the server
01:48 Megaf the output of it can go on the console/terminal yes
01:48 benrob0329 so, you want me to turn this into a mod with a chatcommand or something?
01:49 Megaf benrob0329: so basically we need something to benchmark minetestserver
01:49 Megaf so we can compare compiler flags, OSes and stuff
01:49 benrob0329 I'll probably have to use popen so that I can get the output of time
01:49 Megaf so we can compare LuaJIT vs builtin Lua and so on
01:49 benrob0329 since lua doesnt have built in stuff
01:49 Megaf the pi calculation should be done entirely in Lua
01:49 benrob0329 no wait, ok I'll have to figure something out in lua
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01:50 benrob0329 can't call external interpreters
01:50 Megaf https://te4.org/blogs/nate/2013/04​/development-log/benchmarking-lua
02:23 benrob0329 Megaf: https://github.com/benrob0329/benchmark
02:24 Megaf I'm impressed
02:24 Megaf let me build a server now
02:24 Megaf to test it
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02:42 Megaf back
02:42 Megaf I gotta get a DNS for my new dedicated
02:43 rubenwardy nice
02:43 rubenwardy although, why?
02:45 Megaf because I don't remember my IP
02:45 rubenwardy huh
02:45 rubenwardy do you mean domain name? :D
02:45 Megaf also, I have no idea what's my password for the dashboard
02:47 Megaf not terribly worried
02:49 Megaf benrob0329: I'm building a test server here
02:49 Megaf will take a while
03:04 Megaf This new behaviour of Minetest of obligating you to first login in game so you can use commands in the terminal is fucking bloody stupid
03:04 Megaf let me rephrase that
03:05 Megaf It is not very productive having to build the client when all one wants is perform some quick tests in a test server
03:06 Megaf rubenwardy: for some weird reason kimsufi is not accepting my password
03:06 Megaf I thoug I had forgotten it, but I havent
03:16 Megaf thought
03:19 Megaf benrob0329: you there?
03:24 Megaf =/
03:26 Megaf rubenwardy: I had my first problem with kimsufi today
03:26 Megaf for almost one hour it was saying my password was incorrect
03:26 Megaf now it finally logged in
03:26 Megaf it was correct the whole time
03:30 benrob0329 Megaf: yes
03:30 Megaf benrob0329: so the output of /benchmark is 3.1415926533882
03:30 Megaf Done.
03:31 benrob0329 Megaf: output is in chat
03:32 benrob0329 I should probably make the output in both though
03:34 Megaf benrob0329: well, an admin will be most of the time just using the terminal
03:34 Megaf at least that's my case
03:34 benrob0329 Megaf: pushed change, it'll print to console now
03:34 Megaf thanks
03:35 benrob0329 but hey, it calculates Pi properly :D
03:41 Megaf benrob0329: I tested in two servers, here on my Core2Duo and in my dedicated
03:41 Megaf both built from the same source and same build flags
03:42 Megaf server here crashed...
03:42 Megaf well, problem is something else
03:44 Megaf 207.178963
03:45 Megaf ^ my dedicated benrob0329
03:51 Megaf http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_L​uaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/commit/7a4cbcd33​a590ec2c249366e007d25e961ce4da0?style=unified
03:51 benrob0329 Quite a bit slower than my laptop, I'm kind of surprised
03:52 Megaf I'm not, it's an old Atom at 1,86 GHz
03:52 Megaf what's your CPU benrob0329?
03:53 benrob0329 7th Gen i5
03:53 benrob0329 Idr the clock
03:53 Megaf hah
03:54 benrob0329 Little bit newer :D
03:54 Megaf Atom was never meant for performance
03:54 Megaf benrob0329: in around one week I will try to get my old workstation back online
03:55 benrob0329 So I suppose we could make a benchmarking forum topic
03:55 benrob0329 Since we actually have a benchmark now
03:56 Megaf yep, but not yet
03:56 Megaf I want to make the mod even better
03:56 benrob0329 mapgen benchmark?
03:56 Megaf we have to add some messages to the benchmark
03:56 Megaf like, starting benchmark
03:56 Megaf and then, your server took x seconds to do this thing
03:56 benrob0329 Ah
03:57 Megaf also, mapgen bench yes
03:57 Megaf and for that we already have emergeblocks
03:57 Megaf problem is, that wouldnt be safe for production servers
03:57 Megaf benrob0329: other benchmark thing would make an abm and make it do something as quick as possible
03:58 benrob0329 ABM, nor node timer?
03:58 Megaf then count how much things it did
03:58 benrob0329 *or
03:58 Megaf benrob0329: maybe
03:58 Megaf node timer maybe
04:04 benrob0329 Could make a times loop using os.time
04:04 benrob0329 *timed
04:05 benrob0329 To check emerge_area
04:05 Megaf does windows have that?
04:07 benrob0329 Dunno, I would assume so
04:07 benrob0329 Most servers are Linux though
04:07 benrob0329 Test the benchmark mod on a Windows machine if you have one, though
04:19 benrob0329 made a sleep function, yay
04:19 benrob0329 I can now slow down server by doing absolutely nothing :D
04:22 benrob0329 Megaf: should the mapgen benchmark just emerge some area way off in the 30k realm?
05:01 benrob0329 >Minetest %150 cpu
05:01 benrob0329 this was a bad idea
05:02 benrob0329 emerging a 5k block difference was a very bad idea
05:03 benrob0329 emerging 5 million blocks, what could go wrong?
05:04 benrob0329 my laptop is a hand warmer
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09:02 tenplus1 hi folks
09:04 Amaz Morning ten
09:05 tenplus1 hi amaz
09:05 * tenplus1 is testing chromium 63
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11:03 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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11:18 tenplus1 hi fus
11:18 tenplus1 *sel :P
11:19 IhrFussel Hey there tenplus1 =) I was wondering why players barely received any damage from mobs even though I upped the difficulty quite a bit...turns out the problem was that they healed too fast...now I modified the stamina mod so that healing can only happen if the player received no damage for 3 seconds
11:19 tenplus1 armor has a healing chance with it that reduces harm done to them, if you disable that also they WILL feel the pain :D
11:20 tenplus1 e.g.   diamond armor can reduce 12 hit points to 2... it wears the armor but not the player
11:22 tenplus1 that's on top of the reduction in hit points the armor provides just by wearing it also
11:23 tenplus1 try reducing the armor_heal group for each armor piece to 0
11:24 IhrFussel tenplus1, it's very hard to balance the received damage on my server since I use a custom Hp system... players have level*10 HP..highest level is 52 so it ranges between 10 - 520 HP
11:24 tenplus1 good point...
11:25 IhrFussel For now I made it so players level 1-9 are "safe" cause the mobs only do 1 damage ... but at 10 it can get hard to survive when mobs do 5+ damage
11:25 tenplus1 balancing all of that with armor and armor heal points can be difficult
11:27 IhrFussel I'm thinking about removing mithril armor (strongest) ... diamond and rainbow only remain then
11:27 IhrFussel The others below are not really used...players only want the good armor
11:28 tenplus1 true, they always go for the crystal armor on xanadu
11:28 IhrFussel I even offer wooden armor for free...but nobody takes it
11:29 tenplus1 lolol
11:29 tenplus1 in a true survival setting they'd be glad of it :P
11:30 IhrFussel I was thinking about maybe scaling the damage based on player level... like a mob does less damage to a level 20 players vs level 40...but that wouldn't look right
11:30 tenplus1 it's all in the armor healing...
11:30 tenplus1 you wear good armor and any damage done could be reduced to nothing
11:30 IhrFussel I'll check the healing values one sec
11:32 IhrFussel Diamond got heal 2, mithril 7...
11:33 tenplus1 that's per piece
11:33 tenplus1 so you wear 5 pieces of diamond armor then the healing goes up to 10
11:33 tenplus1 or in mithril up to 35
11:34 IhrFussel Not even sure why the modder made mithril that strong by default
11:35 tenplus1 so 12 hit damage gets dropped to only 2
11:35 tenplus1 cause mithril is super rare, and rarity somehow means it has to be given a special advantage :)
11:35 IhrFussel Crystal is even more crazy
11:35 tenplus1 heh yeah
11:35 IhrFussel Heal 12 per piece?
11:35 tenplus1 but crystal spikes are rare to find :D
11:36 tenplus1 but will add crystal arrows soon so players can get kileld eaasily by skellys
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11:36 tenplus1 gotta go for now... hope you can adjust level tho :) will eb fun to test
11:36 tenplus1 hi fixer, bye all o/
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11:36 IhrFussel Does full crystal armor even receive damage anymore?
11:37 IhrFussel !tell tenplus1 Does full crystal armor even receive damage anymore on your server? Sounds like 0 xP
11:37 MinetestBot IhrFussel: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around
11:39 Fixer hi
11:44 Amaz lynx
11:44 Amaz Whoops, wrong terminal :P
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13:59 jas_ #game1974 (re: wood burn times) i think the variety is nice, and the example of adding more details like differing dig times for various trees/woods is a nice goal
14:03 jas_ #6773, re damage system.  i agree that mobs_redo and 3d_armor do not play well together by default (though i use the multiskin branch, not sure how different).
14:05 jas_ (the effect of always damaging armor is achieved by commenting out the if clause on line 368 of 3d_armor/api.lua)
14:08 jas_ game#1969 (i forget syntax there), re beds.  now there's a mod that could use a redo.  always seemed to me to be very finicky, kinda like when you can't sleep at night.
14:09 jas_ and i'm not just talking about how sometimes the formspec doesn't show up.  i recall encountering all sorts of oddities with beds mod
14:12 Mr_Pardison quick question (trying to hep a player with this): how do you enable support for an older server version if you are using 4.16 but the server says it is running 4.13?
14:13 jas_ client 4.16 and server 4.13?
14:13 jas_ 0.4.13 lol
14:13 Raven262 Ah, the old days of 4.13
14:14 Mr_Pardison this is an issue with DL (Irontrool is having this problem).
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14:14 jas_ i meant to type /close.  what happened to #minetest-doc?
14:14 Mr_Pardison I've encountered this issue b4 but I can't access my other laptop that has the game on it right now.
14:15 jas_ nvm i had #minetest-docs in my autojoin
14:15 jas_ i thought 0.4.16 would connect to 0.4.13 ok
14:15 jas_ :P
14:15 jas_ i mean :O
14:15 jas_ wow those two letters are close together
14:15 Mr_Pardison DL is running 4.16
14:15 jas_ DL?
14:15 Mr_Pardison DarkLands.
14:15 jas_ oh the server is 0.4.16 ok
14:15 Mr_Pardison It's been acting up recently.
14:15 jas_ and then the client is 0.4.13?
14:16 jas_ that there may be your problem.
14:16 Mr_Pardison client is running 4.16 but when they try to join it said that the server is running 4.13
14:16 jas_ but you said it was running 0.4.16?
14:16 Mr_Pardison yes.
14:16 jas_ so who's telling the truth, man? haha
14:16 Mr_Pardison I've come across this thing myself and it said that I had to enable support for older servers.
14:16 Shara Mr_Pardison: just take it to sniper338
14:16 jas_ anyway i thought a 0.4.16 could connect to a 0.4.13 but maybe not, i never actually tried
14:17 Shara The server is .16, not .13
14:17 jas_ now see there's an option to disable support for older clients
14:17 jas_ but that's off by default.
14:17 jas_ strict_protocol_version_checking i think
14:17 Mr_Pardison Shara: ik but it is giving them that error. I have come across this thing myself.
14:17 Mr_Pardison I'll tell them to enable support for older versions in the settings.
14:18 jas_ now that's a server setting
14:18 Shara Mr_Pardison: we have server channels for a reason
14:19 Shara Why not take these to the server admins?
14:20 Mr_Pardison I didn't want to bug you in case u were busy with stuff.
14:20 jas_ maybe they tried to connect to the wrong server, there are a few 0.4.13 servers up
14:20 jas_ three on the list
14:20 Shara I'm very busy, but sniper338 is the one you need to take this to. He manages the server
14:21 Mr_Pardison k.
14:21 Shara If you don't know the admin channel for reporting DL issues, send me a PM and I'll give you it
14:23 * Mr_Pardison goes back to working on stuff for english class (lots of things to do like take notes for a test on Thursday and blogs which I really need to get done)
14:23 jas_ \ when it comes to house every weekend \ house every weekend
14:25 Raven262 My dungeon elements have gone 3D :D https://i.imgur.com/20w3YIl.png
14:26 Raven262 Read: Staircase
14:28 IhrFussel This is likely the error with the server version...it happens when you try connect to a server while it is still booting or in shutdown state ... certain mods can extend the shutdown time of a server a LOT (like moretrees) https://pastebin.com/qsPGkpuk
14:28 sniper338 Mr_Pardison: Here I come! :'(
14:28 sniper338 Shara: Did u set path findin 2 false btw? :\
14:28 Shara No, since everyone said the server was fine last night
14:29 sniper338 K der log is gettin massive spam again...
14:29 Shara Can you try setting it to false?
14:29 Shara I don't know why this would cause clients to think the server is an older version though...
14:30 sniper338 Huh well duno bout version but 1 thing 4 sure; dis is causin serious lag :\
14:30 IhrFussel It's a misleading error message anyway and I already suggested a few times to change it ... in most cases that error happens it is NOT caused by an old server version
14:31 sniper338 Shara: Also in der folder, there's ~2.5GB of txt file 4 logs... :/
14:31 IhrFussel Is there even *one* server with protocol version <25?
14:31 Shara There's already an issue, so this 'should' get fixed before next release ... but we obviously need to make the server playable again before then
14:31 IhrFussel was kicked by benrob0329: Kicked by @Benrob0329:matrix.org
14:31 Shara sniper338: I'll clean logs tonight
14:32 Shara This would be easy, if it would log the way RC does
14:32 Shara But DL seems to like being awkward
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14:32 IhrFussel Umm?? What just happened?
14:33 Mr_Pardison IhrFussel: benrob0329 kicked u.
14:33 Shara Uhm, benrob0329, why are you kicking people?
14:33 IhrFussel Are you out of your mind or something?
14:33 benrob0329 ...what?
14:33 Shara "IhrFussel left the room (Kicked by benrob0329 (Kicked by @Benrob0329:matrix.org))."
14:33 benrob0329 O_o
14:34 IhrFussel was kicked by benrob0329: Kicked by @Benrob0329:matrix.org
14:34 sniper338 Shara: Ya I think dat der massive spam writin 2 dat big log file could b causin some kinda trouble duno... Can I set loggin 2 --quiet? :\
14:34 Shara sniper338: I need th elogs.
14:34 Shara the*
14:34 Shara The log file also isn't that big, since I start a new file every so often
14:36 Megaf Shara: benrob0329, shivajiva, and other server admins. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6775
14:37 sniper338 Shara: Would rly like 2 set loggin 2 --quiet bcoz I think only der ERRORS r important; der WARNINGS is causin srs spam... :(
14:37 Shara sniper338: can you please move this to the other channel
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14:38 Shara This isn't really a thing for -hub
14:38 sniper338 Shara: I'm sorry :(
14:43 jas_ Megaf: i agree it slows it down but, there are workarounds
14:45 jas_ so you could do minetestserver --terminal  --user admin_name --password 123
14:45 jas_ (but right now it looks for name= in config and uses that for the admin name, regardless of --user)
14:56 Megaf jas_: I had no idea you could do that
14:56 Megaf it's not in the --help thing http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000405
14:56 jas_ do what?
14:56 jas_ --user is in --help
14:56 Megaf see the pastebin
14:57 jas_ oh i see, minetestserver is different than minetest, here.
14:58 jas_ i always wondered why minetestserver --user name --password 123 never worked lol
14:59 Megaf that happens
15:00 jas_ so minetestserver --user myCoolAdminName --password wutwut --port 30009 --terminal --world d --config no.conf
15:00 jas_ lol (nevermind)
15:01 jas_ i guess we're stuck putting name = myNotCoolName in yes.conf
15:02 jas_ i've had luck with minetest --go --address '' for singleplayer and --address 127.0.0.1 for server instance/environment
15:02 jas_ using --world newworldname to make the dir with world.mt in it
15:03 jas_ minetest --go --address '' --world newinstance --gameid myCoolGame
15:03 Megaf I think the past behaviour was just perfect
15:03 Megaf not even Linux forces you to set admin password
15:03 jas_ i like interacting with the in-game world from --terminal, personally.
15:04 jas_ i use it most always
15:06 Megaf So do I
15:06 jas_ however, `minetest --world newinstance' does not work with --go
15:06 jas_ it appears --go forces there to be a world dir already
15:06 Megaf you are assuming one have minetest built and installed
15:07 Megaf Suppose you are at your work place, and all you want is to test a new configuration option
15:07 Megaf in a fresh server
15:07 jas_ i was assuming you had minetest built and installed, yes, but now i'm not so sure.
15:08 jas_ i would whip out my trust laptop
15:08 jas_ and do it on that, i guess
15:09 jas_ or ssh into home, but i don't do that
15:10 jas_ for the record, `minetest --server --world newinstance' will create a fresh newinstance dir and world.mt, et al
15:10 jas_ (just not with --go)
15:11 jas_ it's weird, because `--world newWorld' works with minetest --server, but not with `minetest --go --address '' --world newWorld' <-- here --address '' means singleplayer afaik
15:13 jas_ (doesn't appear so, actually, i take that back.)
15:14 jas_ basically, i always end up running a `minetest --server --world newWorld' in one terminal, and `minetest --go --address 127.0.0.1' in another
15:14 Megaf jas_: I don't, that's the whole issue. And I don't want to build the whole game because a server bug or dev decision.
15:14 jas_ there are oddities with the arguments and how the server or client are invoked, i'm now more confused than i was before
15:14 jas_ but i don't understand what you mean by not building minetest.
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15:15 jas_ how else would you test minetest other than to build and run it?
15:16 Megaf I'm not testing minetest, I'm testing the server
15:16 jas_ the host machine?
15:16 Megaf for example, testing performance in two different dedicateds or VPSs
15:16 jas_ when i say minetest, i'm referring to minetestserver, as well (or minetest --server).
15:16 Megaf testing gcc vs clang
15:16 Megaf testing different compiler flags
15:16 Megaf and how? Well, we are working on a benchmark mod :)
15:16 IhrFussel jas_, creating a world doesn't work with --worldname unfortunately
15:17 jas_ not --worldname, it's --world
15:17 jas_ i apologize
15:17 IhrFussel No you said --world I meant --worldname exists too but it doesn't work there
15:17 jas_ (i also run 0.5.0-dev almost exclusively, so this may differ)
15:17 Megaf --worldname does create a world yes
15:17 jas_ yes, and --world list works, but not --worldname list
15:17 IhrFussel --world requires a path --worldname only requires the actual name of the world
15:18 jas_ minetest --server --world thisWillCreateANewWorldDir
15:18 jas_ minetest --server --worldname thisWillNot
15:18 IhrFussel Last I checked --worldname doesn't create a new world..one sec
15:18 jas_ `thisWillNot' has to exist for --worldname, but not for --world.
15:18 jas_ right, we're in agreement.
15:19 Megaf IhrFussel: I just confirmed it works... When creating this issue. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6775
15:19 IhrFussel Megaf, World 'blah' not available. Available worlds:
15:19 Megaf Amazing how Minetest is consistent....
15:19 jas_ --worldname needs an already existent world.  --world features `list' argument, as well as ability to create new worlds
15:19 jas_ (and new civilizations.)
15:20 IhrFussel I use 0.4.16 before the breakage on this PC
15:20 Megaf well, I just created world Test with --worldname...
15:21 IhrFussel Megaf, post the exact command options
15:21 Megaf man, it's in the issue I just told ya
15:21 Megaf minetest@Platinum:/dev/shm/MinetestServer$ bin/minetestserver --worldname test --gameid minimal --terminal
15:21 Megaf full command ^
15:21 Megaf ah
15:21 Megaf and
15:22 Megaf 2017-12-12 15:09:34: [Main]: World 'test' not available. Available worlds:
15:22 Megaf 2017-12-12 15:09:34: [Main]:   world          '/dev/shm/MinetestServer/bin/../worlds/world'
15:22 Megaf so when telling it to make world test it created world called world
15:22 Megaf brilliant...
15:22 Megaf so you think you are using a clean world for your tests and you are just destroying your current world
15:22 Megaf Sorry IhrFussel jas_
15:23 IhrFussel If you use --world it will simply take the first existent world
15:23 IhrFussel --wordname*
15:23 IhrFussel worldname**
15:25 IhrFussel In my case it uses the world "new" cause that's the one that actually exists right now
15:37 jas_ maybe deprecate --worldname, since --world too loads pre-existing worlds.
15:56 IhrFussel world requires a path, it's not the same
15:56 rubenwardy Megaf, yep
15:56 rubenwardy that annoys me too
15:56 rubenwardy is there an issue?
15:57 Megaf for the worldname? I dont think so
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16:00 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/E0wQTlh.png
16:00 jas_ ^ in 0.5.0-dev, --world creates new worlds
16:01 jas_ both --worldname and --world require an argument
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16:15 rubenwardy Megaf: try grantme all
16:41 benrob0329 We have a grantme command?
16:41 Raven262 Oh no, don't tell me you didn't know.
16:41 Mr_Pardison yes.....
16:41 * Mr_Pardison gasps in shock
16:42 benrob0329 I dont do much server-admining
16:42 benrob0329 But yeah thats handy
16:42 jas_ and i argued that it shouldn't be, that /grant should assume the invoker is the recipient if there is no given argument! laawl
16:43 benrob0329 Same with /give
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16:46 Raven262 Oh really? Are we now INVOKING commands? Cause that sounds quite cool.
16:47 Raven262 I'm so using this word from now on.
16:47 lisac https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/​dota2_gamepedia/e/e3/Invo_spawn_03.mp3
16:47 jas_ issuer
16:47 Mr_Pardison Krock: quack!
16:47 Krock GLORIOUS
16:48 Raven262 What?
16:48 jas_ the issuer of the command ought to be assumed the recipient if no play named <priv> exists, else issuer must specify recipient.
16:48 Krock the LAME mp3
16:48 lisac I just figured, it's the only time Invoker says 'Invoke ...'
16:48 Krock Mr_Pardison: quack!
16:48 jas_ evoke
16:49 jas_ that is a funny work.  raven i like your screenshots, looks like a good game : )
16:49 jas_ funny word*
16:49 jas_ (g'night #minetest-hub)
16:53 Raven262 jas_, It is still in development, but thanks :)
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17:21 benrob0329 Random thought: Minetest is an engine, and Minetest Game is the tech demo
17:22 benrob0329 MTG is pretty fleshed out gameplay wise when it comes to tech demos, but pretty lacking on the tech demo part (particles? Entities? Meshes?)
17:23 Raven262 Cause those cause lag, and devs don't want people to know that part.
17:23 benrob0329 Well coded entities and meshes don't cause lag
17:24 benrob0329 Particles are fine in small amounts
17:24 Raven262 Probably, I see people say that a lot actually. But meshes and entities are far from smooth.
17:25 benrob0329 Oh meshes are fine
17:25 benrob0329 I use then all the time
17:25 benrob0329 Far more efficient than node boxes polygon wise
17:25 benrob0329 Its the animations that are usually lacking
17:26 Raven262 Really?  I might switch to meshes then.
17:26 Raven262 I thought nodeboxes give better performance.
17:26 benrob0329 I should say, if you dont make them like you make nodeboxes :-)
17:26 Raven262 What do you mean?
17:27 benrob0329 The detailed steam locomotive from the advanced trains mod is an excellent example of what not to do
17:27 benrob0329 Everything is its own object, its literally a bunch of boxes rather than a modeled mesh
17:29 benrob0329 A good model is generally 1 object, with as few hidden faces and extra vertices as possible
17:29 Raven262 I don't have too much of experience with making models, blender is quite complicated.
17:29 Raven262 But i think i know what you mean.
17:29 benrob0329 Aka combining faces when possible, and not making everything a bunch of boxes
17:37 Megaf rubenwardy: it says I dont have permission
17:38 Megaf rubenwardy: chat and consoel were merged not very long ago
17:38 Megaf console*
17:38 rubenwardy this won't be related
17:39 rubenwardy in-game console is not n-curses
17:39 Megaf well, since server terminal is just a chat it doesnt have any real power
17:39 rubenwardy recently admin privileges were bastardised
17:39 Megaf hence requiring you to be admin and with privs
17:39 rubenwardy because instead of fixing the creative priv, the auth handler was changed so that admins don't get all privileges
17:40 rubenwardy which is why I asked to try  /grantme all
17:40 rubenwardy hmmm
17:40 Megaf why wouldnt admin have all privs?
17:40 rubenwardy the creative privilege is broken
17:41 rubenwardy it doesn't give you the right to use creative
17:41 rubenwardy but makes you in creative mode
17:41 Megaf never did
17:41 rubenwardy which you don't want the admin to do
17:41 rubenwardy the creative priv is new in 0.4.16
17:41 Mr-Pardison because sometimes an admin doesn't feel like admining and has another admin take over for them?
17:41 rubenwardy Mr-Pardison: irrelavent
17:41 rubenwardy you can just change the name setting
17:41 rubenwardy or have some fake admin account
17:42 rubenwardy say   name = admin
17:42 rubenwardy which may be shared
17:42 rubenwardy I know multiple servers do that
17:42 Mr-Pardison I'm just bored and my hands are getting cold.
17:42 rubenwardy :D
17:42 rubenwardy I do that on CTF, so I don't play using an account with all privs
17:43 Mr-Pardison that's what $hara does on RC. has whoareyou being admin.
17:44 rubenwardy yeah
17:44 rubenwardy actually no
17:44 rubenwardy there's another account which name points to which isn't whoareyou
17:44 rubenwardy I better not say any more :D
17:46 Mr-Pardison I opened a can of worms then you go and shut it.
17:46 Shara >.>
17:46 Mr-Pardison :/
17:46 Shara Feel free to run the /admin command on RC as many times as you like.
17:46 rubenwardy CTF too
17:47 * Mr-Pardison sighs
17:48 Shara :)
18:01 Megaf jas_: rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6555#issuecomment-351133580
18:02 rubenwardy Megaf: that PR is about listing available worlds with different options
18:03 Megaf Yep, I don't think we need even more changes and things added to world*. It's already too complicated and not working well
18:03 rubenwardy I don't like that PR as it uses "list" as a parameter, which could be a worldname
18:03 rubenwardy yeah
18:04 Megaf the whole --world* should be rewritten instead of adapted
18:04 rubenwardy yes
18:06 rubenwardy I'd prefer it to be more command based
18:06 rubenwardy so
18:06 rubenwardy minetest server --world foobar --name admin --config ~/minetest.conf
18:07 Megaf s/" "/""
18:07 Megaf minetestserver*
18:07 rubenwardy minetest client --address 192.168.0.12 --port 30001 --name user --password bob
18:07 rubenwardy nope
18:08 rubenwardy like git
18:08 Megaf the common thing in games is having too different binaries
18:08 Megaf one for server and one for client, with different names
18:08 rubenwardy also, tonnes of unit tests!
18:09 Megaf and benchmarking, we need benchmarking
18:09 rubenwardy not for the CLI :P
18:09 rubenwardy generally we need unit tests and benchmarking
18:10 rubenwardy but I was talking about the CLI specifically
18:10 Megaf benchmarking for the server
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18:13 Megaf Hey Lukc
18:13 Megaf hm
18:13 Megaf rubenwardy: voice Lukc please
18:14 Megaf Lukc: you are not identified
18:14 Megaf Thanks
18:15 Megaf rubenwardy, Lukc: So, benrob0329 and me we are working on a server benchmarking mod. Well, mostly he is working and I'm saying what I'd like it to have.
18:15 Megaf https://github.com/benrob0329/benchmark
18:15 rubenwardy nice
18:15 rubenwardy also, lol
18:15 rubenwardy so demanding
18:15 Megaf So far we have a Pi benchmark to test lua performance
18:15 rubenwardy :D
18:15 rubenwardy oh right
18:15 Megaf now we can begin to compare Lua vs LuaJIT of example
18:16 Megaf s/of/for
18:16 Megaf But we need so much more
18:16 rubenwardy that's not what I thought you meant by benchmarking
18:16 Megaf benchmarking I mean testing performance
18:16 rubenwardy yes, but for Lua
18:16 Megaf how fast it performs a task
18:16 rubenwardy I thought you meant for Minetest
18:16 Megaf Yep, I do want it for Minetest
18:16 Megaf server that is
18:17 Megaf That's intially for benchmarking minetestserver
18:17 Megaf so we can test how CPUs compare, how different compiler flags affect the server performance and so on
18:18 rubenwardy heh
18:18 rubenwardy you'd need to measure things like packets, queues, and sleep time whilst increasing the number of players, all of which are moving randomly
18:19 rubenwardy damn it
18:19 rubenwardy there's so much I'd like to do, but no time
18:20 Fixer Megaf: http://luajit.org/performance_x86.html
18:20 Megaf Right now all I want are some synthetic tests so I can see how different build flags, sqlite options and luajit vs lua affects the performance.
18:21 Megaf "Please turn on JavaScript and reload this page to see the interactive chart."
18:21 Megaf How about no?
18:21 rubenwardy ha
18:22 Megaf I have cookies and javascript disabled by default for all website
18:37 Mr-Pardison cookies!
18:37 Mr-Pardison nom nom nom.
18:39 Lukc Megaf, looking forward to the published results. :p
18:49 Megaf so the benchmark function is totally single thread and the whole server gets stuck while its running
18:49 Megaf imagine a 128 thread server getting totally frozen because a single missbehaving mod
18:49 Megaf or because a blinky plant decided to act weird
18:50 Megaf very robust :P
18:57 Megaf I'm beginning to getting involved in too many projects
18:57 Megaf Minetest, OSGrid, PureDarwin, ClearLinux, Debian, OpenMandriva, Haiku...
18:57 rubenwardy wow
18:57 Megaf Thankfully I'm no developer in any of those
18:57 rubenwardy I'm involved in two many projects
18:58 rubenwardy just in Minetest
19:06 benrob0329 rubenwardy: Minetest and Lua :P
19:06 rubenwardy well, I've not contributed to Lua
19:07 benrob0329 Megaf: I started working on the mapgen benchmark last night, but it doesnt quite work yet
19:07 benrob0329 I think my sleep function slows things down a little too much (no way to not constantly probe os.time)
19:08 Megaf benrob0329: my problem with magen work is that it can't safely be ran on a production server, just clean server. Which is totally fine by me
19:08 benrob0329 So I'll have to rewrite things using minetest.after
19:08 benrob0329 Megaf: its done at 30000,0,30000
19:08 benrob0329 Should be fine for most servers
19:09 Megaf benrob0329: I don't care. It changes a production map
19:09 Megaf This is not a critic to you, just the idea
19:09 Megaf I don't like changing things in a production map just for benchmarks sake
19:09 Megaf besides, in MegafServer we have things built up to 32K, yes sir.
19:11 benrob0329 Fair enough
19:11 Megaf never underestimate a player
19:12 Megaf I had people dig from the surface down to spawn
19:12 Mr-Pardison ....
19:12 Megaf people walk to the end of the world
19:12 Mr-Pardison I plan on doing that on DL.
19:12 Mr-Pardison westward ho!
19:12 benrob0329 Rock on the keyboard
19:13 Mr-Pardison no.
19:13 benrob0329 Its not too hard to survive off of the environment in most servers
19:13 Mr-Pardison just make sure u have the proper resources and u should be fine.
19:14 Mr-Pardison Once I head west, east is the only other direction that hasn't been completely explored on DL.
19:14 benrob0329 DL == Dark Lands I assume?
19:15 Mr-Pardison yup
19:16 Megaf $ cat ~/.bash_history | grep qemu
19:16 Megaf Binary file (standard input) matches
19:16 Megaf $ grep qemu ../.bash_history
19:16 Megaf Binary file ../.bash_history matches
19:16 Megaf what am I doing wrong?
19:16 benrob0329 I gotta do a cinematic of it one if these days
19:17 benrob0329 Megaf: put qemu in quotes
19:17 Megaf same
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19:17 benrob0329 Is bash_history text,
19:17 benrob0329 Like, can you open it normally?
19:19 Megaf file for some reason is telling that is data
19:19 Megaf benrob0329: by the way, my Raspberry 2 is ## FASTER ## than the Atom in your Lua benchmark!
19:19 Megaf take that all minetest devs that laughed at me and blamed my hardware for poor performance
19:19 benrob0329 Wow
19:20 Megaf Raspberry Pi 2. 201.74693
19:20 Megaf Atom Nsomething 207.17363
19:20 Megaf xP
19:20 Megaf clock my clock is slower tho
19:20 Megaf s/my/byu
19:21 Megaf benrob0329: and in the Raspberry Pi it didnt show pi result, 3.14, just time
19:21 Megaf http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/dail​y-builds/daily/current/amd64/iso-c​d/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
19:21 Megaf ops
19:21 Megaf Issued command: /benchmark
19:21 Megaf 201.74693
19:21 Megaf Done.
19:21 Megaf there &
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19:33 benrob0329 Megaf: I removed the printing of pi
19:33 benrob0329 didn't think it was important for the benchmark
19:33 Megaf ok
19:34 Megaf It should say, Starting "benchmark type"
19:34 benrob0329 It will, I have some changes in local repo
19:35 benrob0329 I can remove the mapgen for now until I finish that, and push thougb
19:39 Fixer https://www.atariarchives.or​g/bcc1/showpage.php?page=61
19:41 Mr_Pardison Fixer: seems interesting.
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19:49 benrob0329 Megaf: pushed
19:49 benrob0329 no mapgen benchmark yet though
19:50 Megaf no worries
19:50 benrob0329 will try to work on that tonight
19:50 Megaf And thank you
19:50 benrob0329 NP, happy to help :-)
19:51 Fixer https://www.atariarchives.​org/bcc1/pages/page120.gif
19:53 Krock meow
19:53 Mr_Pardison Mew
19:54 ThomasMonroe I found something interesting about OC, christfollower.me I went there on Tor, try to be safe everyone
19:54 ThomasMonroe bbl i gtg for a bit
19:56 benrob0329 Anyone want to archive it, I dont want to give my IP away
20:16 rubenwardy yup
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20:39 Megaf Shall we stop using off please?
20:39 Megaf most of the time we are off topic anyway
20:39 Megaf it would be better using [On] when talking about Minetest
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20:43 Megaf Shara: Fixer: comments? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6775
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20:47 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/TejXiAo.png loool
20:52 IhrFussel If you guys want you can give benrob0329 his OP status back now to see if it still happens (whatever that was that kicked me twice)
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20:55 benrob0329 IhrFussel: what happened it that you got banned somehow on the Matrix side of things, which is a softban apparently
20:55 benrob0329 I dont know why, but I've logged out all devices on my account and changed my password just in case
20:55 benrob0329 Along with my Nickserv password
20:57 IhrFussel So my IP was on some blacklist? Or just banned on your account?
20:59 Fixer omg
21:00 Fixer JT2 has genocide pit, with hundreds of bones, rip mobile players
21:02 Fixer all of them had basic starter kit
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21:09 benrob0329 IhrFussel: banned from the Matrix bridge, which acts through my account because it thought I had banned you (which as far as it knows I probably did)
21:10 Fixer 100 bones collected
21:21 Megaf why the heck ln -s vz/ test works and ln -s vz/ /vz doesn't?
21:21 Megaf # ls /vz
21:21 Megaf ls: cannot access '/vz': Too many levels of symbolic links
21:25 sofar what is `pwd -P` when you issue `ln -s vz/ /vz` ?
21:26 sofar location is relevant
21:26 Megaf # pwd -P
21:26 Megaf /media/reglnx/Megaf Server
21:26 Megaf root@Aluminium:/media/reglnx/Megaf Server# ls
21:26 Megaf vz
21:27 Megaf sofar: ^
21:29 sofar does /vz exist?
21:29 Fixer 200bones, gave up
21:29 Megaf sofar: nope
21:30 sofar I just said this in chat somewher:
21:30 sofar <sofar> ado: you seem unaware of social conventions on this planet
21:30 sofar yeah
21:30 sofar that happened...
21:30 Megaf sofar: fixed. ln -s vz/ /
21:30 Megaf that works for some reason
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21:31 sofar ln can be weird like that, if the target is a folder
21:31 sofar and with relative paths
21:31 Megaf sofar: my landlord told me. "You have terrible social skills"
21:31 Megaf sofar: I totally get you
21:32 Megaf ls /vz
21:32 Megaf ls: cannot access '/vz': Too many levels of symbolic links
21:32 Megaf nevermind
21:32 Megaf give up
21:32 Megaf Megaf Server will stay down
21:34 Megaf Not really. but yeah
21:34 Megaf I'd like to know how do create symlinks
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21:55 Megaf sofar: so unfortunately I won't be able to test Clear Linux.
21:56 sofar I've followed it, yes
21:56 sofar heh, you gave it a more than fair shot, lol
22:18 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY
22:19 Fixer pcem v13 released O_O
22:20 Fixer with network support
22:23 rubenwardy ?
22:23 rubenwardy oh nice
22:23 rubenwardy can play really old gam
22:32 Fixer what a great time https://medium.com/4iqdelvedeep/1-4-b​illion-clear-text-credentials-discove​red-in-a-single-database-3131d0a1ae14
22:33 rubenwardy relevant: https://www.troyhunt.com/here​s-how-i-verify-data-breaches/
22:33 rubenwardy from the author of  HaveIBeenPwned.com
22:33 rubenwardy spoiler alert: he doesn't test passwords
22:33 rubenwardy as it's immoral
22:33 rubenwardy and also illegal
22:34 rubenwardy unauthorised access to a computer
22:35 rubenwardy heh, fake news
22:35 rubenwardy one of the top passwords looks like it's "myspace"#
22:38 Fixer i hope nobody reuses passwords, right? (right? (right?))
22:41 * rubenwardy doesn't
22:41 Fixer https://www.reddit.com/r/pwned/comment​s/7hhqfo/combination_of_many_breaches/ o_O
22:42 rubenwardy the only passwords I reuse is due the the uni requiring it
22:42 rubenwardy as you're required to have the same password for their linux, windows, and max
22:42 rubenwardy their web intranet
22:42 rubenwardy and 365
22:47 Megaf rsync -az --progress * --compress-level=9 minetest@ns335210.ip-5-196-88.eu:/home/minetest/
22:47 Megaf so Megaf Server will be coming back
22:48 Megaf Sokomine: ^
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22:55 Megaf MegafServer/worlds/world/map.sqlite
22:55 Megaf 927,236,096  20%    2.51MB/s    0:23:57
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23:57 Fixer holy ----
23:57 Fixer found minetest in password
23:58 Fixer someone used minetest as a password, not good

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