Time Nick Message 00:00 benrob0329 Megaf: its an emoji 00:00 benrob0329 My phone's keyboard has them, and Riot had them on desktop 00:00 benrob0329 *has 00:00 Megaf Now that touch bar with emojis in the new macbokk pros would come handy 00:01 benrob0329 Its called Unicode, welcome to the future ;-) 00:01 Megaf heh 00:02 rubenwardy 👍 00:02 Megaf hm, cool, the next debian release will have automatic updates for security updates 00:02 Megaf It just asked me if I want to enable it, in hte installer 00:02 benrob0329 Automatic...i'm not sure how I feel about that 00:03 benrob0329 Having root download anything without my consent is worrying 00:03 Megaf It's opional 00:03 Megaf but yeah, man in the middle can cause havoc 00:03 Megaf all that is needed is a simple DNS spoofing 00:04 benrob0329 Yup 00:04 benrob0329 Which is why I dislike it 00:04 Megaf that can be done with a simple hosts.conf change or a dns server in the network 00:04 Megaf so hopefully APT will have a checksum or something to verify the server 00:04 benrob0329 But optional is good, but an optional security risk seems stupid imo 00:05 Megaf It depends on how it's implemented 00:05 Megaf and it's not definitive yet, the debian community still discussingabout it and testing it 00:05 Megaf not sure if it will make to the stable version 00:06 Megaf Riot is a Matrix thing isn't it? 00:07 benrob0329 Yes 00:07 benrob0329 We need better clients :-( 00:07 Megaf Rattle That Lock is a pretty neat album 00:07 benrob0329 Riot does the job, but its a webapp with questionable UX decisions at times 00:08 Megaf Rattle That Lock (Extended Mix) 6:25 David Gilmour Rattle That Lock (Deluxe) Rock 00:08 Megaf that's a nice song 00:09 * Megaf has an amazing music taste/taste for music 00:10 * Megaf thinks about hiring c55 as mod for his server 00:10 Megaf mod/op 00:10 Megaf xP 00:14 Fixer rubenwardy: it actually persists after restarts, with shaders on it turns invisible in hotbar 00:15 Megaf gonna go to cook something 00:21 Fixer c o n f i r m e d 00:23 Megaf F i x e r - A Story About Broken Things That Couldn't Be FIxed. 00:23 Megaf On the cinema closest to you 00:23 Fixer bisecting a bug 00:24 Megaf poor bug 00:24 Megaf Hopefuly you killed the bug before doing htat 00:24 Megaf ANd hopefuly it was quick and painless 00:26 Fixer hmm, i need just one compile to confirm like a BOSS 00:28 Fixer always keep your old build archives, boyz 00:28 * Megaf doez dat 00:30 Megaf oh bot, spinning beach ball 00:30 Megaf s/bot/boy 00:30 Megaf I must be running out of RAM 00:31 Fixer install Debian Sarge - should be within 30 mb ram 00:31 Fixer ,_, 00:32 Megaf No need to go that far 00:32 Megaf Squeeze will do 00:32 Fixer i had Sarge when I had 512mb ram 00:35 Fixer when I started playing minetest in 2011, i boosted my ram from 512 to 1536mb, since damn firefox was taking too much RAM (dangerously much) 00:37 Megaf in 2011 I was using Mandriva 2010.2 00:37 Megaf with KDE 3 00:38 Fixer found regression PR, my work here is done 00:38 Megaf on 512 MB of RAM, running on an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ at 2083MH 00:38 Megaf MHz* 00:38 Megaf and an ATI Radeon 9200 SE with 128 MB of RAM DDR 1, 64 bit memory, AGP 8X 00:39 Megaf On an ASUS motherboard :P 00:39 Megaf A7V8-X, I think that's the model 00:39 Megaf :D 00:39 Megaf crazy how I remember these stuff 00:41 Fixer oh 00:41 Fixer at 9200se sucked 00:41 Fixer i had ati 9600xt with faulty gpu/mem 00:42 Megaf Actually soon after I got this PC I installed Windows 98 SE on it 00:42 Fixer now I'm on videocard from 2005 that is actually faster than what I had in 2011 00:42 shivajiva any thoughts on handling owner privs, the options seem to be prevent the account from losing any privs or retain server & grant so that the account can be used for testing 00:42 Megaf man, I was amazed how well it played NFS Porsche and F-22 Lighting II 00:42 Fixer recently i was thinking about using my old P4 PC as retro one, but forgot it has AGP port... shit 00:42 Megaf shivajiva: edit minetest.conf 00:42 Megaf change name = 00:43 Fixer Megaf: F-22? pfffff I played that on.... on something really ancient before this ati/geforce era 00:43 Fixer Megaf: it should run on calculators 00:43 Megaf F-22 Raptor was a different game, with software render only 00:44 Megaf the Lighting II had some very nice hardware rendering 00:44 Megaf oh, and IL-2 Sturmovik! 00:44 Megaf That game was awesome 00:45 Fixer Megaf: basicly, i've played both Lighting II and IL-2 on Celeron 3XX Mhz PC in ~2000 00:45 Fixer ._. 00:45 Megaf Fixer: yep, my Athlon was from 2002 00:45 Megaf when I was playing these games... 00:45 Megaf before that I was playing F-22 on my K6-2 at 266 MHz with 32 MB of RAM 00:45 Fixer lighting ii on celeron and il2 probably on older p4 1.7ghz with ati radeon 7200 00:46 Megaf but I had a Trident PCI card back then 00:46 Fixer gn 00:46 Megaf that K6-2 was sick, It would run nicely at 333 MHz 00:46 Megaf night.. 01:02 Megaf I can upgrade my macbook pro from 4 GB to 8 GB for 30 Euro or to 16 GB for 80 Euro 02:09 rubenwardy holy s*** 02:09 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/pplsHtAli4.png 02:09 rubenwardy ha 02:10 benrob0329 heh 02:11 rubenwardy this is a pretty interesting article: https://scotthelme.co.uk/revocation-is-broken/ 02:11 rubenwardy trying to find out how to enable OSCP stapling for my site 03:55 jas_ ascii 04:02 ThomasMonroe unicode? 04:02 ThomasMonroe :p 04:02 ThomasMonroe night all 04:07 jas_ *g* 05:07 jas_ today it's the 50th day i've been playing with right mouse button for jumping and spacebar for placing. shit. 05:07 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6537 08:55 tenplus1 hi folks 09:36 shivajiva Hi tenplus 09:36 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's things :0 09:37 shivajiva not bad, nice and frosty this morning but no snow 09:37 tenplus1 same here, heating is on tho :PP 09:37 tenplus1 did you pop by Xanadu to try out new Spleef! arena ? 09:43 shivajiva no, but I should, just caught up on the latest posts 09:43 tenplus1 heh, a lot in the forums today :P 09:44 shivajiva at least no emails from Prudence Dogwood today 09:45 shivajiva well I say that but the day is young, nope 09:45 Amaz Hello all :) 09:46 tenplus1 hi amaz 09:46 shivajiva got the nuts bit right, hiya Amaz :) 10:12 tenplus1 hi Jordach 10:33 CWz would it be possible to prevent hacked clients from placeing toomany blocks 10:37 Jordach yes 10:47 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 10:47 nerzhul hi tenplus1 11:03 CWz :) 11:22 Raven262 Hi ten 11:22 Raven262 Hi Amaz 11:39 Megaf Greetings everybody 11:39 Megaf Hi tenplus1 11:40 tenplus1 hi Megaf :) 11:40 Megaf Hi Amaz Jordach 11:40 Megaf and you other people I just don't want to disturb 11:41 Raven262 Hi Megaf 11:41 Megaf So yesterday I installed Snow Leopard in VBox running on High Sierra 11:41 Megaf I think this is nice :P 11:41 Megaf Raven262: tenplus1: I got a dedicated server!! 11:42 Raven262 Thats nice, Megaf. 11:46 tenplus1 nice one dude :) what ya running ? 11:47 Raven262 Also, are you gonna host a MT server? I would like to check out the mods and to play a while on a new server. 11:48 Megaf tenplus1: That's a test for now, it 's a 4 threads Atom (I know...) at 1,8 GHz, but! 2 TB for storage and 4 GB of RAM! 11:49 Megaf Raven262: this will be almost entirerly dedicated for Minetest server yes 11:49 tenplus1 not bad ;D 11:49 Raven262 :D 11:49 Megaf Though the priority is getting my server back on line running on this dedicated 11:57 tenplus1 what Os you got ? 11:59 Megaf Debian 9.3 Stretch 12:02 tenplus1 ah so nice n lite :) more resources for mt server 12:10 Megaf yep 12:25 Megaf Now, I'd like to encrypt the whole disk in my dedicated 12:25 Megaf but how will I enter the password there at boot time!? 12:25 tenplus1 wont that slow everything down 12:26 Megaf tenplus1: Some encryption stuff can be done by the CPU 12:26 Megaf at least AMDs do that in hardware 12:26 tenplus1 nice 12:27 Megaf well, don't think the Atom can 12:27 Megaf tenplus1: anyway. The performance inpact is not that great no 12:28 red-001 hey the famous sane person is back with PMs 12:28 tenplus1 hi red :P 12:28 Megaf I wasn't PMed 12:28 Megaf He never remembers me 12:30 red-001 he got his account back it seems 12:30 red-001 since some people seem to think thats all he wanted 12:30 tenplus1 ? 12:30 Megaf back where red-001? 12:30 Megaf Freenode or Forum 12:30 red-001 on freenode 12:31 Megaf [12:31:06] [NickServ] Last seen : Dec 11 09:27:26 2017 (3h 3m 40s ago) 12:31 Megaf indeed he is back 12:32 Megaf oh boy, I'm almost 12 years old here in Freenode 12:32 Megaf [12:31:33] [NickServ] Registered : Feb 12 16:53:46 2006 (11y 43w 3d ago) 12:33 red-001 huh why is shadow bot banned here? 12:35 tenplus1 it is ? 12:40 Megaf red-001: because it doesn't function properly and it was abandoned by it's creator 12:40 Megaf and since we can't control it we had to ban it 12:40 tenplus1 ohh 12:40 Megaf (My theory) 12:41 Megaf (and it was replaced by MinetestBot) 12:41 Raven262 On the other hand, the bot might have committed a treason or something against the devs. 12:41 Raven262 And nobody was ever told about it. 12:42 red-001 for the people that said he will backdown once he gets his nick back, I'm seeing a whole lot of nothing 12:44 Shara People? 12:45 Shara Only know of one who thought that 12:45 Raven262 Hi Shara 12:45 Shara Hi :) 12:45 red-001 well then we must be thinking of the same person 12:56 Megaf Morning Shara 12:57 Megaf Shara: tenplus1: cold today uh? 12:58 tenplus1 very... frost has settled and -8c 12:59 Raven262 Any snow there, ten? 12:59 tenplus1 not yet, but you never know :) still time 12:59 Megaf This night was -4C here 12:59 Megaf no snow either 12:59 Megaf it's 3C right now 13:00 Raven262 Snow fell about a week ago here, the temperatures didn't let it melt yet 13:00 Raven262 It really felt nice to see the snow, its been a while here. Last year there was almost no snow at all. 13:01 tenplus1 snow can be nice, yes... it's the aftermath of black snow that's the pain 13:02 Raven262 Black snow? 13:02 Megaf Things we get in Ireland, Wales and Scotland 13:02 tenplus1 yeah, once they grit/salt the roads it melts into black ice/snow and cars go sliding everywhere 13:02 Raven262 Ah 13:03 Raven262 I know what you mean 13:03 Megaf celtic stuff xP 13:03 Megaf Why bother going in a straight line when you can go sideways? 13:04 tenplus1 lol 13:04 Raven262 Or why bother following the road 13:04 Megaf precisely 13:05 Megaf Milk contains both whey and casein and is rich in the amino acid glutamine. Organic milk has about 70% more omega-3 fatty acids than conventional milk.[2] 13:05 Megaf insert " " ^ 13:05 Megaf I need to find organic milk 13:06 Megaf 70% more omega 3 than normal milk!? 13:06 Raven262 And organic milk tastes way better. 13:06 Megaf Never tried 13:06 Megaf Though milk in Ireland is pretty good and pure AFAIK 13:08 Raven262 A minetest question: which axis is n/s and which one is w/e? 13:10 Raven262 Hope its x for n/s and z for w/e 13:12 Megaf Raven262: what are the axis we have? 13:12 Megaf Y X and Z? 13:12 Raven262 Yes 13:12 Raven262 X/Z for horizontal and Y for vertical 13:16 Megaf Makes sense 13:16 Megaf Hi CBugDCoder 13:17 Megaf How are you today? Hows the weather? 13:20 CBugDCoder finally nickserv is having soo much lag it took 4 mins to proscess my pswd XD 13:21 Megaf CBugDCoder: so, I heard there was some snow fall in your place last week 13:21 Megaf [13:21:38] -*- Megaf sending CTCP-PING request to nickserv 13:21 Megaf [13:21:38] * Received CTCP-PING answer from NickServ with 279 milliseconds round trip time 13:21 Megaf Not too bad 13:22 CBugDCoder hmm i guess it just doesnt like me XD 13:22 Megaf maybe nickserv had to go to toilet or something 13:22 CBugDCoder XD maybe 13:23 Mr_Pardison that or it just crapped out on ya 13:24 Megaf I'm sure nickserv was just busy doing something else and it got back at you as soon as it could. 13:24 Megaf That's 4 minutes 13:26 Megaf Well, I gotta go, cya folks 13:27 Mr_Pardison cya 13:29 IhrFussel How heavy is a vector.distance() check every 5 secs for all connected players? 13:30 IhrFussel I'm guessing it could just add a few ms 13:34 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic 13:34 tenplus1 hi fussel 13:35 Aerozoic wazup tenplus1 13:35 Mr_Pardison morning tenplus1 13:35 tenplus1 adding build battle arena to xanadu, figuring it all out >?!>!?!?! 13:38 CBugDCoder hi ten 13:38 tenplus1 hi cb 13:38 IhrFussel Hello there tenplus1 and the others 13:38 tenplus1 o/ 13:38 Mr_Pardison \o IhrFussel 13:38 CBugDCoder hi IhrFussel 13:44 tenplus1 hi sniper 13:51 IhrFussel vector.distance() is extremely fast it seems... I just copied the math.hypot() and vector.distance() functions into a new lua file and timed it with the time command ... 50 calculations take 5ms, 500 take 15ms 13:51 tenplus1 nice 13:53 IhrFussel So since my server would never have more than 40 concurrent players I can safely say the check every 5 secs takes less than 10ms which is totally fine 14:42 shivajiva IhrFussel: fixed your issue but you might not think the solution works as you wanted 14:45 shivajiva it does allow the admin account a greater scope for testing though 14:52 tenplus1 hi fixer 15:10 IhrFussel shivajiva, I didn't really see it as something bad to begin with... I was more surprised that I could suddenly lose many privs which didn't work before... I agree that it's good for testing to be able to revoke almost any priv from the server owner 15:12 shivajiva yea it just retains privs priv now so you can grant after testing 15:12 IhrFussel Umm you cannot use drop as flag inside register_node() right? I am looking at a mod which tries to do that and it doesn't seem to work 15:13 Fixer hi 15:14 IhrFussel The modder tried "drop = { max_items = 1, min_items = 1, items = { {items = {'default:bookshelf'}, rarity = 90,},}," inside register_node() 15:16 Amaz IhrFussel: that should work... https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L631 15:16 shivajiva hmm I did something similar with presents 15:18 IhrFussel shivajiva, it is a present node from christmas_craft but I dug a present and nothing happened...maybe I need to open more of them? 15:18 shivajiva but they never worked quite right, same issue you just described, yea break more :) 15:18 shivajiva they do yield 15:19 shivajiva let me check what params I settled with 15:19 tenplus1 what you trying to do shiva ? 15:19 IhrFussel I see now... but I will remove that feature cause I already have lucky blocks and that would be too much 15:20 shivajiva set the drops for a node on register_node to be random from a list 15:21 tenplus1 you gotta add every single item you wanna drop with a high chance 15:21 IhrFussel The chance to get an item seems to be quite low...I had to open 10 presents to even receive something...that's not fun 15:21 tenplus1 and the very last item on the list is rarity = 1 for default 15:21 shivajiva tenplus will know all about this :) 15:21 tenplus1 I tried it all before for lucky blocks... eheh 15:23 IhrFussel tenplus1, rarity 1 means "will always drop"? 15:23 tenplus1 drop = { max_items = 1, items = { {items = {"super_rare_item"}, rarity = 50}, {items = {"med_rare_item"}, rarity = 25}, {items = {"default_item"}} } }, 15:23 tenplus1 yes 15:24 IhrFussel Is it the same calculation aschance in ABMs? 15:24 tenplus1 yeah 15:25 tenplus1 so the drop list has super rare items 1st with high change, medium rare with med chance and last is the fallback item that always drops if nothing has before it :) 15:26 tenplus1 only works with static list tho... for random items you can ADD to I had to use an on_destruct function to randomly do stuff 15:27 IhrFussel tenplus1, I don't follow... will MT always look at the first item in the list? And if the chance doesn't match go to 2nd, 3rd etc? 15:27 tenplus1 yup 15:28 tenplus1 it'll go through list for all dropped items until it drops 1 15:28 tenplus1 that's why high chance will go first with low chance at end 15:29 tenplus1 if the max_items wasnt at the beginning it would go through them all and drop whatever it could 15:33 tenplus1 I like the idea of the gift boxes :) and a specific list of items it can drop for players :D 15:34 Mr_Pardison take it a step further and can make creative ones personalize-able. 15:34 Mr_Pardison if u can. 15:34 Mr_Pardison g2g will brb (changing classes) 15:34 tenplus1 :p 15:39 Raven262 I just had this idea to make the stonebrick dungeon walls less boring. This is what i got: https://i.imgur.com/5UtQn6H.png 15:40 Raven262 That and a few more lines of code, one more if loop and possibly more lag. 15:40 tenplus1 interesting though 15:41 Mr_Pardison looks... interesting. 15:41 Raven262 It looks much better inside the amber root system, but I didn't finish the whole thing yet. These are just the walls. 15:42 Raven262 I also thought the result was very interesting, considering that its made out of 3 node types :P 16:06 Sokomine there are so many sheep and cows of mobs_redo running around on many mt servers. yet they never lie down and re-eat their food as real animals would do. are there any blender experts available who could add such animations to the models? it just seems so very odd if they run around all the time 16:07 tenplus1 +1 for "stand" animations that have them laying down 16:07 jas_ and die animations 16:07 tenplus1 we already have those jas 16:07 jas_ you do? for the cow and sheep? 16:07 jas_ they poof for me. 16:07 tenplus1 we have die animation in api, it's up to model makers to add the animations :D 16:07 jas_ no yeah see i knew that already 16:07 tenplus1 mc_mobs has die anims in some 16:07 jas_ and so when sokomine said blender model... 16:08 jas_ i added that die animations would be a helpful addition 16:08 jas_ see? 16:08 jas_ (something something cme) 16:08 Sokomine jas_: no, no die animations for those poor animals. they ought to stay alive :-) (unless killed by predators. wolfs may hunt joung sheep) 16:08 tenplus1 if I were any good on blender I could add them, but alas I suck 16:09 jas_ if one added a laying down animation, that would work as well as it does for the player i suspect. 16:09 jas_ in cme the mobs models have die animations, and turn a red color it's pretty sweet. 16:09 jas_ i do too wish the mobs_redo models had those, but i suck at blender too ten 16:09 jas_ : ) 16:09 Sokomine jas_: hmm. i'd love to have that laying animation also move the mouth of the animal. those plant eaters need a lot of time to chew their food 16:10 tenplus1 I had red overlay on mobs redo api but depending on the actual texture used this caused lag re-colouring it 16:10 jas_ mm ye good 16:10 tenplus1 many different animations could easily be added if you had the blender skills :D 16:10 * Mr_Pardison has no xp w/ blender and should start working with that if he wants to make any node textures 16:10 Sokomine yes. we need to catch a few people who have those skills :-) 16:10 benrob0329 tenplus1: that probably means its too high of a resolution :P 16:10 tenplus1 exactly ben, also h 16:10 tenplus1 *hi 16:11 benrob0329 Hello 16:11 tenplus1 so I removed the red re-colour for speed 16:11 benrob0329 I would help, but living things are not my specialty 16:11 benrob0329 Yet, I should probably work on it 16:12 tenplus1 nssm mobs are well animated :) 16:12 tenplus1 d00med did an amazing job with those... there's another blender genius 16:12 benrob0329 Never played with nssm actually 16:13 benrob0329 Should go do that sometime today 16:13 jas_ i still <3 mobs_redo the most, got the most stuff and still manages to surprise/scare me sometimes in-game. 16:13 jas_ (next i'm gonna attach a sound to the DM fireball muaha) 16:13 tenplus1 if more animations are added to the models then the api can easily be changed to include these when mobs eat, stop, sit, sleep etc 16:13 jas_ because right now you canno thear it coming 16:14 Mr_Pardison oh boy. 16:14 tenplus1 we already have shoot sounds for arrows/fireballs 16:14 Mr_Pardison deadly stuff. 16:14 jas_ i saw you had the death animation in the api, was interested. also what's cmi? 16:14 jas_ but it's a one-shot, ten 16:14 jas_ i'm going to add a sound that travels in position with the fireball ent 16:14 Mr_Pardison it would be nice to hear them isntead of them just sneaking up on you. 16:14 Mr_Pardison *instead 16:14 jas_ with minetest.sound_play("sound", {object = fireball}) 16:14 tenplus1 cmi is a sort of compatibility layer the author was trying to put in ALL mobs mods, so it can be used for 3rd party mods 16:14 tenplus1 sounds = { shoot = "shoot_sound" } 16:15 jas_ i think both can co-exist? 16:15 jas_ i'll experiment and see 16:15 tenplus1 lol 16:15 jas_ i made some modifications to mobs_redo 16:15 jas_ plus i'm testing pathfinder by markubu 16:15 jas_ nice mod, but intensive. 16:15 tenplus1 yeah, pathfinding needs much love... line_of_sight has been improved in 0.5.0 so it'll help a lot 16:16 jas_ ye saw that, it's good 16:17 jas_ so what do you think about attaching a repeating sound to the fireball entity while it travels? 16:17 Mr_Pardison anybody know if someone is working on a ranged attack mod? one where you can launch an attack on a player that is x amount of nodes from you. 16:17 jas_ i'm just going to add it to that one instance for the DM, but maybe it could go into the arrow registry 16:17 jas_ dunno about anything other than shooter/projectile mods. 16:17 tenplus1 that already exists Mr_Pardison 16:17 jas_ but doing hitscan that way Mr_Pardison sounds good 16:18 Mr_Pardison o rly? 16:18 jas_ just do all calculations in lua and then deal damage 16:18 tenplus1 set view_range and reach to a specific number and have attack set to "shoot" 16:18 tenplus1 it's all in the settings... :) that's why the api.txt exists to show them all 16:18 jas_ player1 selects (places in crosshair and triggers) player2, calculate distance and line of sight and odds 16:18 jas_ wind velocity 16:18 jas_ then deal damage, that's a good idea. i still wanna take the egg in mobs_redo and turn it into a spear tool item with wear 16:19 jas_ mobs_redo needs a fishing pole 16:19 jas_ (because i need to add one, and it would save me time LOL!) 16:19 jas_ i tried the other fishing mods but i dunno 16:21 tenplus1 lol, ethereal has a simple fishing rod added 16:21 tenplus1 fishing.lua holds all the code 16:21 tenplus1 hey robbie 16:21 Mr_Pardison ethereal has a wooden and a steel one (regular and pro-fishing rod are the names of the nodes, respectively) 16:22 RobbieF Hi tenplus 16:22 RobbieF how are ya 16:22 jas_ i always thought ethereal was just mapgen 16:22 Shara Mr P, pro rod is frm CRL. 16:22 Shara CRL was designed to work with ethereal 16:22 tenplus1 good thx you / 16:23 tenplus1 hi shara 16:23 Shara Hi Ten 16:23 Mr_Pardison forgot that. 16:24 tenplus1 RobbieF: added Spleef! and Build-Battle arena to Xanadu... working on latter tho 16:24 RobbieF doing great thanks tenplus1 16:24 RobbieF Oooh nice 16:26 tenplus1 what's new in the Pixel Shadow dude ? 16:27 RobbieF Well, our 4K cameras arrive tomorrow, and our new intro is nearly ready. 16:27 RobbieF new season will be kicking off early new year 16:28 tenplus1 sweet, eager to see 16:28 RobbieF me too :p 16:28 RobbieF just in the process of upgrading the streaming servers. 16:28 RobbieF preparing for livecasts as well 16:28 tenplus1 busy busy 16:28 RobbieF oh yeah, always. 16:29 Mr_Pardison non-stop seems a more apt description. 16:30 tenplus1 lol 16:32 RobbieF Can't wait for next season... should be fun. 16:35 jas_ https://twitch.tv/jastvn ten i made the dm explode when it dies, and when it hits players/mobs. 16:35 tenplus1 heh, nice :) 16:35 tenplus1 super lethal :D 16:36 jas_ i hear the sound when it launches 16:36 jas_ i'm going to see if it loops okay, and then attach it to the object 16:36 tenplus1 sound has a range setting so you can only hear it at a certain distance or under 16:37 jas_ ye but he walks around more chance to not fire, i think, so but yeah super lethal 16:37 tenplus1 change attack mode to "shoot" only instead of "dogshoot" which has him walking also during attack 16:38 Mr_Pardison that would have the DM standing still when shooting, right? 16:38 jas_ he stands still while shooting now afact 16:38 tenplus1 yes, if player is in view_range then it'll fire at them... otherwise it'll walk around 16:38 jas_ a fact. lol ... but that sounds interesting ten 16:39 jas_ didn't know about the mode thx 16:39 tenplus1 "dogshoot" has mixed attacks, melee and shooting 16:39 jas_ well that is what i like anyway. but i'll likely experiment. right now gonna play with the sound a bit. 16:39 tenplus1 ooh, how about a fireball mob, dm shoots at player and on HIT_NODE it transforms into mob that has "explode" attack when near player :D 16:40 jas_ https://github.com/jastevenson303/mobs_redo/tree/dcbl if you're curious ten, i can make a pr if the fireball sound is good and you like it 16:40 shivajiva ten how do i find the spleef arena? 16:40 tenplus1 thx dude, will check it out 16:40 tenplus1 shiva, at spawn look for red LB logo, behind it is the pad to lucky block arena 2, spleef arena and builb battle arena 16:43 shivajiva ty 16:43 tenplus1 wb Aerozoic 16:46 benrob0329 tenplus1: decided to give AwesomeWM another go, since I'm getting into Lua more 16:46 benrob0329 (the book should be arriving today :D) 16:46 benrob0329 the config isn't bad once you fix the formatting :P 16:47 tenplus1 heh, looks awesome and very configurable ;) will give it another go someday but for now LXDE is my simple go-to 16:48 benrob0329 writing widgets is kinda fun, you get to design ascii charging animations :P 16:49 benrob0329 or in my case, FontAwesome 16:49 tenplus1 lol 16:49 benrob0329 string:match() is awesome for parsing commands 16:50 benrob0329 question, does minetest restrict io.popen() to trusted mods only? 16:50 benrob0329 because if it doesnt that's a security concern 16:50 shivajiva seems popular tenplus ;) 16:50 tenplus1 I think it does 16:51 shivajiva ^ 16:52 CWz hello, everyone. 16:52 tenplus1 hi CWz 16:52 Mr_Pardison hello, CWz 16:52 benrob0329 tenplus1: does mobs_redo need to be named mobs, or will it work with/without _redo? 16:52 shivajiva io itself should require trusted, hiya CWz 16:53 tenplus1 folder can be any name you want/// the .conf names it mobs: 16:53 benrob0329 oh, thats handy 16:56 tenplus1 hi thomas 16:56 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1 17:04 benrob0329 well, nssm crashed 17:04 benrob0329 and it has a naked mermaid thing, soo yeah 17:08 tenplus1 naked mermaid ? wut 17:08 IhrFussel nssm - Not So Safe for Minors 17:09 tenplus1 d00med must be adding new mobs 17:09 IhrFussel xD 17:09 * Mr_Pardison isn't even going to ask 17:09 tenplus1 what was crash message ? 17:10 IhrFussel Would an adult server even be allowed on the list? With stuff that has 18+ content? 17:10 benrob0329 tenplus1: set_animation failed 17:11 benrob0329 IhrFussel: if you want a LOT of controversy, sure 17:11 benrob0329 MT is used in schools and by little kids 17:11 tenplus1 no way to limit 18+ servers unless you vet players which is hard 17:12 IhrFussel The devs should probably create some ToS for the server list 17:13 IhrFussel I don't think a 18+ server should be accepted/tolerated if there's no way to restrict players connecting 17:13 tenplus1 and if one is created then it should be private (not on list) 17:13 IhrFussel I mean no age verification 17:13 Calinou I'm surprised I haven't seen a server with NSFW paintings at spawn or something 17:14 IhrFussel I saw quite a few penises on my map already 17:14 red-001 Mr_Pardison, bad connection? 17:14 Calinou meh, built penises rarely have a big shock factor 17:14 tenplus1 hahaha, yeah me too... had to remove those on report 17:14 Calinou NSFW paintings are different because 1) the server admin adds them, 2) players cannot do anything about them 17:14 Mr_Pardison red-001: no. switching classes. 17:14 IhrFussel Someone made a statue of me (don't ask me why) and someone else added a penis 17:15 tenplus1 lolol 17:15 red-001 I think the don't ask why is in the wrong place 17:15 Mr_Pardison shows the level of maturity that someone has. 17:16 IhrFussel red-001, I have no clue why players build statues about the server owner ... is it simply honoring the person? Or do they think they can increase chances to get a higher rank that way? 17:17 tenplus1 ahh, sucking up 17:17 red-001 I think it's just honouring 17:17 Fixer checking out new firefox 57 portable with second profile, it is fast 17:17 red-001 and not having a better idea about what to build 17:17 tenplus1 57 is quite good, yes... shame the NEW chrome/chromium about to come out uses even more memory now 17:18 IhrFussel I don't really like when people build a statue of me cause to me it looks like some sort of dictatorship... like I told them to build it cause they are my slaves... but I also don't remove those cause they were hard work 17:25 IhrFussel red-001, that reminds me of someone who originally planned to make a large lets play on youtube about my server ... and after building 1 house they cancelled the project cause "no ideas left" 17:25 tenplus1 gaes 17:25 red-001 lol 17:25 tenplus1 *gawd 17:26 IhrFussel The "lets play" got 12 parts ... 5 of them are just looking for resources 17:28 Mr_Pardison that's sad. 17:29 Shara IhrFussel: would be nice if MT had a general code of conduct for what is or isn't acceptable in any official part of the project 17:29 Shara TI wouldn't even need to be anything long or complicated 17:30 Shara Good luck to anyone who wants to try and make it happen 17:30 tenplus1 heh 17:30 * benrob0329 uploaded an image: 1513012964.png (792KB) 17:31 benrob0329 tenplus1: ^^ 17:31 IhrFussel I believed the person and even actively helped them with finding a quiet place so that nobody could disturb the recording ... I added a few mods the player requested ... it was a waste ... Shara I agree, server owners shouldn't be able to do whatever they want on the server list... there are some topics that aren't suited for the general public 17:31 tenplus1 ooh nice screeny benrob :) 17:31 Shara well it's not just about server owners 17:31 Shara It should cover forums, IRC and things on github 17:31 tenplus1 1326mb in use ? what else you running apart from awesome wm and minetest ? 17:32 IhrFussel The forum already has rules no? 17:32 * Shara could tell some stories about those rules :P 17:32 Sokomine but a 18+ server? in such a blocky world? seems hard to imagine. in theory you can build anything, but...er...well. architecture seldom has such problems 17:32 jas_ i got a good sound, kinda, now just gotta manage the handle. 17:32 jas_ (btw i believe sound_fade doesn't work with sound_stop) 17:33 Shara Sokomine: I have seen them on the list previously, but couldn't be bothered to connect and find out what made them 18+ 17:33 IhrFussel Sokomine, I found the phrase "let's have MT sex" a few times in the PMs when I grepped for certain inappropriate words 17:33 Sokomine Shara: maybe a misunderstanding and they thought 18+ meant more than 18 players allowed simultaneously? :) 17:33 Shara No, definitely not. 17:33 Shara Descriptions made it clear 17:34 * Mr_Pardison ignores the chat on here for now 17:34 IhrFussel If kids can imagine sex by just laying down next to each other in beds...then I bet some people have a greater imagination 17:34 Sokomine IhrFussel: oh...er...perhaps they where just hungry (considering how reproduction of mobs is handled by the most popular mobs mod, confusion between reproduction and eating might easily arise...) 17:34 tenplus1 they have a tendency to roleplay bf/gf and more... 17:35 Sokomine well, i guess any form of chat may be subject to that to some degree 17:36 IhrFussel It's alarming that sometimes the very young children talk about that... I read 8/9/10 yr olds asking for xxx 17:37 Shara I'd imagine it was more about what is allowed on the server than what the server shows... but I could be wrong 17:38 IhrFussel Well I don't forbid dating on my server BUT dating != sex and I think we can all agree here 17:38 tenplus1 exactly... as soon as things get steamy then players get banned 17:39 Mr_Pardison so, no making a steamer basket? 17:39 Mr_Pardison well, there goes the red bean buns. 17:40 IhrFussel The "dating" young kids do is more like a game... it's not serious by any means 17:41 Raven262 hehe, I do so love to ban them for that. ^ 17:41 IhrFussel So I wonder how they can already think about dirty stuff before they even learned to love 17:41 tenplus1 the scarey thing is when young players and older players roleplay... that's creepy 17:42 Mr_Pardison teh internets is probably the answer. 17:42 tenplus1 I've already had to report someone to their ISP for sexual behaviour towards kids 17:43 IhrFussel I didn't have such a case yet (luckily) 17:43 shivajiva with the kids it's the media and conditioning, mixed signals 17:44 tenplus1 they are growing up too quickly with the media 17:44 shivajiva ^ 17:45 Shara WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map 17:45 Shara Anyone got aclue what that means? 17:45 tenplus1 they really gotta hide those pathfinding warnings... 17:45 tenplus1 just means it couldnt find a route 17:45 Shara tenplus1: no, whatever it is it's a problem 17:45 Shara DL has been unplayable for the past half hour or so, and the log has been spammed with that message in that time 17:46 Shara So somehow, that message seems to be the problem 17:50 Shara It seems to go away for a little while after a restart, then the server acts up and that warning is spamming the logs again 17:52 tenplus1 is it in a particular area that it starts showing messages ? 17:52 Shara No idea 17:52 Shara I can't in game right now 17:52 tenplus1 hrm, wondering what mods use pathfinding 17:53 shivajiva same 17:53 Shara And when I say spam the logs, I mean every couple of seconds 17:54 shivajiva mobs? 17:54 sofar it's unclear if that is actually the problem or not 17:54 sofar it could be a mob that is stuck 17:54 Shara I don't know what else it could be. 17:54 sofar but the pathfinder is limited 17:54 Shara I've asked players to pay attention to where they are when it happens 17:54 tenplus1 mob pathfinding is limited to view_range only 17:55 tenplus1 at most we're talking 15 blocks away 17:55 tenplus1 cost map issues should be way more than that 17:56 Shara Whatever it is is something I haven't seen before, and no recent mod changes 17:56 Shara I'm starting to think this server is cursed 17:57 tenplus1 lemmie check mods it runs and see what else it could be 17:57 IhrFussel I have the same problem but it entirely depends on where players are/which mobs are nearby https://pastebin.com/7fB0X2xz 17:57 Shara Yup, exactly what it looks like 17:58 IhrFussel Must be Mobs Redo, I have no other mod that uses path finding..let me re-check 17:58 tenplus1 you could edit the .lua files for dirt_monster, oerkki, sand_monster and stone_monster and comment out the pathfinding lines 17:58 sofar that thing shouldn't actually write an error message 17:59 sofar it's entirely within spec that it can fail to find a path 17:59 tenplus1 it shouldnt, no... it's been happening for a while now... pathfinding command returns path or nil, that's all you need 17:59 sofar yup 17:59 sofar I thought it was even patched 17:59 sofar we probably should patch the error out 17:59 sofar make it debug, or something 18:00 IhrFussel grep only finds one result .minetest/worlds/oldserver/worldmods/mobs/api.lua: self.path.way = minetest.find_path(s, p1, 16, 2, 6, "Dijkstra") 18:01 tenplus1 andi t's weird that its has only started appearing when mobs have been active on that server for a whlie now 18:02 Mr-Pardison uh oh. 18:02 tenplus1 fussel, try going into api.lua for mobs redo and for line 79, make it false... local enable_pathfinding = false 18:02 tenplus1 see if it helps 18:02 IhrFussel tenplus1, but can that warning actually cause lag? 18:03 tenplus1 displaying the error constantly can cause lag in itself, yes 18:03 tenplus1 but the error should hav been removed by now... it isnt needed 18:03 tenplus1 wb shara, can you do this: 18:03 tenplus1 try going into api.lua for mobs redo and for line 79, make it false... local enable_pathfinding = false 18:03 Shara Sorry, had some problems and likely missed anything that was said for a bit 18:03 IhrFussel Wouldn't that also mean the server lags more when too many players place/dig stuff? 18:04 tenplus1 if too many errors appear or text displayed then yes it can cause graphical lag 18:04 IhrFussel Are we talking about debug.txt or ingame errors? 18:05 tenplus1 anything shown on screen or console 18:05 IhrFussel Ok then...will disabling path finding have a major impact on the mobs? 18:05 * Shara reads channel logs 18:06 IhrFussel I mean regarding their behavior 18:06 tenplus1 thankfully no, any mobs that require pathfinding will revert back to following player using old means... 18:06 tenplus1 they will still chase you but are a little bit dumber :P 18:07 IhrFussel Okay I set it to false, will report how it goes after I restart in a bit 18:07 tenplus1 :) 18:08 Shara Fussel, let me know if it helps and if mobs behave okay please 18:08 tenplus1 xanadu has pathfinding enabled all the time and in use constantly and never once have I seen that error /!?! it's weird 18:08 Shara Haven't been hit by issues since last restart so will hold on a moment 18:08 tenplus1 Evil Bonny mob will even solve mazes and build/dig to reach her target 18:08 Shara She is indeed quite scary :) 18:09 tenplus1 ehehe, it's super creepy when a mob can find you no matter where you are, and even break down walls to get at ya 18:10 IhrFussel tenplus1, so with path finding disabled mobs are not able to walk around obstacles anymore? 18:11 tenplus1 they fall back to the dumb way of reaching players and can still give chase 18:11 tenplus1 but at least you'll know if this is causing error :) 18:11 tenplus1 am gonna make an issue to remove the error message tho, it's not needed 18:12 IhrFussel And if it is...could other path finding settings help? Like different search intervals? 18:12 tenplus1 if mob cant reach player within 10 seconds it tried pathfinding every 3 seconds 18:13 tenplus1 I could try changing algorythm 18:13 IhrFussel Seems to match with the warning intervals 18:15 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6771 18:17 IhrFussel If the lag is really just caused by logging the warning and not the function itself, then the removal could already solve it 18:21 tenplus1 k, mobs redo api has been updated with pathfinding tweaked to new algorythm and changed setting 18:21 tenplus1 sand monster found me no problem in a glass maze with no errors 18:26 Sokomine guess they feel at home in a glass maze. or are angry because you turned so much of their sand into glass 18:26 tenplus1 heh... try killing one with a lava pick, it cooks their drops also :D 18:27 Sokomine i'd be happy if mobs where actually able to follow all these nice paths the pathfinder produces. sadly they get stuck easily. doors are obstacles for npc-like mobs even when opened 18:27 Sokomine poor sandguys :-) 18:27 tenplus1 the dumb follow routines can get inside doors, 18:27 Sokomine i've created the sandcity village type for them. just had no time yet to actually let some ove in 18:28 tenplus1 will check the new pathfinding changes in forum and see if I can incorporate :) dunno how costly it'll be tho 18:28 Sokomine for me, following the path is a problem as the time when a mob needs to turn for the next part of the path can be quite critical 18:29 Sokomine no need for the sandguys to be too good at pathfinding :-) 18:29 benrob0329 could doors be ignored when calling the pathfinder? 18:29 benrob0329 and then broken down/opened when encountered? 18:29 tenplus1 0.5.0 pathfinding can supposidly ignore airlike and water... but no doors yet... that takes a manual lua check 18:30 tenplus1 but yes, pathfinding level 2 in mobs api can break the doors already 18:30 tenplus1 but only if it's not protected already 18:30 benrob0329 I feel like there should be a flag for breaking protected doors 18:31 tenplus1 normally I'd say yes, but builders would be super pissed if their protected building got destroyed in any way by mobs 18:31 benrob0329 seems like cheating if you can register to make stronger doors :D 18:31 benrob0329 use meta doors? 18:31 tenplus1 steel doors cannot be broken tho 18:32 tenplus1 any block with level 2 18:32 Sokomine benrob0329: i modified burlis pathfinder so that the pathfinder can navigate through doors. it's the actual movement of mobs through those said doors that's not always working as expected. entities can't move from a to b in mt. they accelerate/start moving - and you have to check if they're at their destination already and set them facing the next target 18:32 benrob0329 The problem I have with protection is that it's not based on anything, it takes away from the survival aspect 18:32 benrob0329 but since all nodes can be broken you can't keep yourself safe otherwise 18:32 Shara benrob0329: that's why I use protectors on my survival server even though I don't like them. At least then you need to craft the things 18:33 benrob0329 I feel like locked wood doors cant be broken by hand, and locked metal doors cant be broken by tools 18:33 Sokomine benrob0329: protection is not for survival. it's for protecting your creative work from griefers and misbehaving mobs 18:34 benrob0329 the problem is that we only have protection, we don't have conventional ways of securing a base 18:34 tenplus1 locked doors are of no use if they can break a wall to get in 18:35 tenplus1 hi Krock 18:35 Krock hi tenplus1 18:35 benrob0329 tenplus1: the doors would have to protect the walls surrounding, or you would have to get creative 18:36 benrob0329 lava lined walls maybe 18:36 benrob0329 but I feel like you shouldnt have to do that even 18:36 tenplus1 ehehehe yeah... I've done that before 18:36 benrob0329 its not easy to get though meter thick steel irl 18:36 benrob0329 or stone 18:37 tenplus1 yeah, levels should be increased for digging those 18:37 benrob0329 wood doors can be kicked in easy enough, but a solid metal one not so much 18:38 benrob0329 maybe closed meta doors can't be mined? similarly to how you can't take a door off its hinges from the outside 18:39 benrob0329 also, what if locked chests could be picked up and taken away, but not opened 18:39 benrob0329 you'd have to hide them still :P 18:40 benrob0329 but I feel like protection has made it boring and lazy to protect stuff, securing your base is now == run some commands 18:41 benrob0329 I could make a house of straw and the big bad wolf would still be brought to its knees 18:41 tenplus1 lol 18:55 tenplus1 hi ruben 18:55 Sokomine benrob0329: diffrent roles in gameplay. to me, all those mobs are just...decoration. a bit life. granting them the right to destroy the true gameplay (=building something) is a no-go 18:55 rubenwardy Does anyone know any Firefox extensions that are tough on cross site requests? 18:56 rubenwardy For example, I want to block and facebook CDN requests on non-facebook sites 18:56 rubenwardy already have ghosterly 18:56 Sokomine rubenwardy: requestpolicy is quite useful 18:56 Shara requestpolicy it brutal, but does the job :) 18:56 rubenwardy sounds good 18:56 rubenwardy I used noscript for a while 18:57 Sokomine noscript has a diffrent purpose. both are needed for diffrent goals. you might also want to take a look at umatrix (not ublock) 18:58 rubenwardy yeah, noscript was just too inconvenient 18:58 rubenwardy thanks 19:00 Sokomine too inconvenient? it's needed. without it you won't have javascript at all. there might be some valid reasons for enabling it occasionally 19:00 rubenwardy without it you always have javascript :P 19:00 Sokomine er, no. unless you don't care about anything :-) 19:01 * benrob0329 switches to konsole, st was being slow..for some reason 19:02 benrob0329 I dont understand why a terminal starts being slow, but whatever it is I'm not having it 19:03 * tenplus1 limits terminal output to 150 lines 19:10 Megaf Back from job interview and Linux lecture 19:11 tenplus1 how was it ? 19:12 Megaf So about the job the guy wants to get me hired, tomorrow he is meating with people in the company. We'll see 19:13 Megaf The Linux lecture was nice but a little furstrating, I wanted to talk abot so much stuff but didnt have too much time 19:13 Megaf So a second lecture is coming next year :) 19:14 tenplus1 hope it goes well 19:14 Megaf So do I 19:14 Megaf it's a job for tech support and network infracstrucure management 19:15 * Mr-Pardison doesn't believe in luck 19:15 Mr-Pardison so, I shall wish you good prospects in your future endeavors. 19:15 Megaf I apreciate that 19:16 Megaf Some people believe in God... 19:16 * Megaf raises his hand 19:16 Mr-Pardison yes, Megaf? 19:16 Megaf So I do my best in the interviews, show my tech skills and will for challenges and learn 19:16 benrob0329 I believe in neither luck nor coincidence 19:17 Megaf And also pray so I can have this oportunity 19:17 Megaf benrob0329: today was a day full of nice coincidences 19:17 Mr-Pardison I believe that there is purely skill. and sometimes in a game there is just random chance. 19:18 benrob0329 Nothing is ever truly random ;-) 19:18 Megaf benrob0329: what do you believe in? 19:18 Megaf [19:18:01] Nothing is ever truly random ;-) 19:18 Megaf That's actually not wrong 19:18 Megaf there is a formula that predicts everything 19:18 Megaf including the movements of electroncs 19:18 Megaf we just didnt find it 19:18 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5RFgd59ao 19:19 Megaf hopefully never will 19:19 Megaf !title 19:19 MinetestBot Megaf: The 'Everything' Formula - Numberphile - YouTube 19:19 Megaf Jordach: precisely 19:20 Krock the formula that can plot itself 19:20 benrob0329 Megaf: something between Judaism and Christianity, but thats a very generalized definition 19:20 Megaf hm 19:20 Megaf I believe in the God that is 3 Gods and one at the same time. 19:20 Megaf The Trinity 19:21 tenplus1 the universe is made up of waves, and if we can plot where all waves come from then we can reveal the past 19:21 Jordach so it's all mexican waves all the way down? 19:21 Megaf tenplus1: waves = energy = matter 19:21 tenplus1 yup 19:21 Megaf matter = possible to predict 19:21 tenplus1 and free tacos at the end 19:25 tenplus1 wb Mr_Pardison 19:26 Mr_Pardison ty tenplus1 19:40 Megaf I think Imma gonna makah akofee and go to bed 19:40 tenplus1 mmm nice :) enjoy 19:40 Mr_Pardison I would hope that it would be decaf. 19:40 benrob0329 They do nasty things to decaf 19:41 tenplus1 nah, decaf isnt that great :P 19:41 tenplus1 stick with the good stuff 19:41 benrob0329 Or be like me and drink water :P 19:41 Mr_Pardison the good stuff == hot chocolate (Mexican version made with actual chocolate) 19:41 tenplus1 am doing that too ben :P 19:41 Megaf I will make with normal coffee 19:41 Mr_Pardison water is my go-to when I don't have hot cocoa around or it's not winter. 19:41 Megaf brb, gonna brew some coffee 19:42 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: that just homemade 19:42 benrob0329 I make mine from cocoa :D 19:42 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: I'm going to try some of that since I was at the store yesterday and got some to compare it to the powdered stuff. 19:42 tenplus1 ya know, that's a good idea... gonna make hot choccy :) 19:43 tenplus1 brb 19:44 Mr_Pardison seems I started a trend. 19:44 Mr_Pardison interesting. 19:44 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: cocoa, sweetener (honey or sugar), vanilla, and milk (dairy or nondairy) 19:45 Mr_Pardison no sweetener (although honey is good in tea if paired with the right brew). vanilla, maybe. milk, always the best thing to make it with. 19:46 benrob0329 Vanilla makes the cocoa :P 19:46 tenplus1 ? I only use choccy powder and water... nothing else 19:46 Mr_Pardison what I want is for the chocolate flavor to be the main thing and vanilla to be an accent note. dairy to provide the body. 19:47 benrob0329 Hot cocoa mix is..interesting 19:47 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: u know u can make the powdered stuff with milk instead of water, right? It tastes better that way. 19:47 * tenplus1 prefers water :) 19:47 tenplus1 dont want it too sweet 19:48 Mr_Pardison if made in one of those coffee brewer things, then it comes out watery. 19:48 benrob0329 Still doesnt taste that great though 19:48 tenplus1 *sip* tastes good to me :D ehehehe 19:49 Mr_Pardison I made sugar cookies yesterday in the shape of gingerbread men. 19:49 tenplus1 nice :P not had cookies in a while :D 19:49 Mr_Pardison one batch of 8 got a tan (left 'em in the oven a bit longer so they got a golden color to them) 19:49 Mr_Pardison still need to decorate them. 19:50 Mr_Pardison going to hang them on the Christmas tree. 19:50 tenplus1 do you sugar glaze them to protect it ? 19:50 Mr_Pardison Artificial one (set of 3, one for each of us) but I would have preferred an actual tree. 19:51 Mr_Pardison Well, I was just going to put a border around it then just flood it and let that solidify. 19:51 Mr_Pardison idk if my mom has other plans. 19:51 * tenplus1 steals cookies 19:51 Mr_Pardison If you had asked, I would have gladly shared them. 19:51 benrob0329 Why steal, when you could make then fresh :-P 19:51 tenplus1 eheheheheh 19:51 Mr_Pardison but stealing them is not a wise idea as I hunt those who are thieves. 19:52 * tenplus1 borrows them instead 19:52 tenplus1 :P 19:52 Mr_Pardison I'll let this one slide since I have some extra dough in the freezer. 19:52 tenplus1 :) havent had a proper gingerbread cookie/man in a long time, they dont put as much ginger in them anymore 19:53 Mr_Pardison Make the dough urself. 19:53 Mr_Pardison way better that way. 19:53 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: best be prepared to ship them overseas then :D 19:55 * Mr_Pardison goes back to working on HTML stuff for class 19:55 tenplus1 hrm, I have cinnamon powder on server, shoudl really add ginger for the cookies 19:56 benrob0329 With a slight chance they mutate in the oven 19:56 tenplus1 and turn into cookie monsters to pillage santa town 19:57 Mr_Pardison oh noes! 19:57 Mr_Pardison not the village! 19:57 Mr_Pardison https://santatracker.google.com/village.html 19:57 benrob0329 Oh 👃 19:57 * Mr_Pardison whacks his head against the table 19:57 tenplus1 heh 19:59 * Sokomine sees this as a chance to steal some cookies from Mr_Pardison without him noticing 19:59 IhrFussel It's 20:59 here now, last warning entry was 2017-12-11 19:17:04: WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map ... so it seems to have fixed it 19:59 Mr_Pardison this about DL's issue or was that fixeD? 19:59 tenplus1 did you disable pathfinding or update to new api I uploaded ? 20:00 benrob0329 Why is it that when we're kids, learning has to be disguised as fun. But when you are an adult, fun has to be disguised as learning? 20:00 IhrFussel I set path finding to false 20:00 tenplus1 ah okie :) 20:00 IhrFussel Will look at the new algorithm now 20:01 benrob0329 tenplus1: I might work on making the TARDIS open one of these days 20:01 benrob0329 Wish we had render to texture 20:01 tenplus1 learning is fun :) depending what it is and how it's presented 20:03 benrob0329 Can you make a light source directional? 20:03 Mr_Pardison a flashlight works for that. 20:03 tenplus1 no, not without lua interversion or blocks cutting out light 20:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSv17iE_4Q 20:04 benrob0329 tenplus1: what do you mean by lua interversion? 20:05 benrob0329 Also, do meshes block light? 20:06 tenplus1 if you place a torch node pointing in a specific direction then you could place airlike light blocks in that direction 20:11 Megaf Nothing like a ping of fresh latte 20:11 Megaf made with freslhy brewed coffee and organic whole milk 20:11 Mr_Pardison oh. 20:11 tenplus1 sounds good :) 20:11 Mr_Pardison ur one of those farm fresh organic yuppies. 20:11 Megaf without sugar or anything ) 20:11 Megaf :) 20:12 * tenplus1 has 3 coffee's a day, morning, afternoon, just before bed :D 20:12 Megaf Mr_Pardison: nope, first time trying organic milk 20:12 Megaf It actually tastes better, Im amazed 20:12 Mr_Pardison If I'm going to buy something, I want to find something that is a good value. 20:12 Megaf Mr_Pardison: do you have a server? 20:13 * tenplus1 has hemp milk :) mmmm 20:13 Megaf minetest that is 20:13 Mr_Pardison Megaf: nope. 20:13 Megaf Mr_Pardison: you make mods? 20:13 Mr_Pardison I help out with stuff on RC and DL. 20:14 Megaf cool 20:14 Megaf Shara: congrats on your team 20:14 Mr_Pardison I have one in the works (it's in the initial stages of being planned) 20:14 Megaf nah 20:14 Megaf don't do it 20:14 Megaf just join my server when it's back 20:14 Megaf If you pass the tests... 20:14 Mr_Pardison I took on the challenge of making one because of the limitation of swords. 20:15 Mr_Pardison I had to put it to the side b/c of school. 20:15 * Megaf watching https://youtu.be/h0HvBh25yZ8 20:15 Megaf man, shes gorgeous 20:15 Mr_Pardison and a broken laptop (windows 10, refuses to boot) 20:15 tenplus1 install Xubuntu on it 20:15 * Megaf find inteligent women gorgeous 20:16 Raven262 finds* 20:16 Raven262 ^ 20:16 Raven262 Oh and two l's too 20:16 Shara Megaf: I know how to pick good teams ;) 20:16 Shara Mr P is a very good moderator. 20:17 Mr_Pardison I try and be fair and always verify any info that I get. 20:17 Shara Just need to get him into mod writing next 20:17 Mr_Pardison Get school done with first then I can focus on writing that. 20:17 Raven262 So many servers with good admins and mods, and there is me, an admin on a completely abandoned server. 20:17 Shara I have two people working on textures now, just need someone for models, someone for sounds, and then soemone to code... so I can lean back and watch :P 20:18 Mr_Pardison be overwatch and supervise 20:18 tenplus1 lol 20:18 * Shara finally has the shadow_lands textures 20:18 Raven262 Sounds dark. 20:18 Shara Extremely. 20:19 Mr_Pardison And I now have a mine shaft that reaches down to -100 nodes. 20:19 Shara The sun goes out while you're there. 20:19 * tenplus1 hacks things together :D 20:19 Mr_Pardison darker than pitch? 20:19 Shara Mr P, lighting goes down to zero, which is lower than n ight time, so yes 20:19 * Mr_Pardison packs a trolley full of glostones 20:19 Shara I don't actually suspect any servers will use this when I release it, but it's too much fun not to make 20:19 benrob0329 In the land of shadows, there is nothing to cast then 20:20 benrob0329 *them 20:20 benrob0329 A darkness you can't see 20:21 Raven262 Things hidden in the darkness are usually much easier to notice than those hidden in plain sight. 20:21 tenplus1 Yogscast did a series called "to the core" where they hit a certain level underground where the darkness hurt the player :) was pretty kewl... I liek the idea 20:21 benrob0329 Whats that mod 20:21 Shara I did wonder if I could tie this into bewarethedark and add damage to it, but that might be overkill 20:21 benrob0329 Beware the dark? 20:21 Shara bewarethedark is what I use on DL 20:22 benrob0329 I got the name right 20:22 benrob0329 Yay 20:22 Mr_Pardison well, on to harvesting stuff! 20:22 Shara Mr_Pardison: https://github.com/Ezhh/bewarethedark 20:22 Shara That's my fork of it anyway. 20:22 tenplus1 :)) 20:22 Shara Should clean it up more 20:23 Shara Ten helped with it :) 20:23 tenplus1 I was gonna add to xanadu at one point...but darklands has it's own theme I dont wanna encroach on 20:23 Shara Hehe 20:23 Shara They do hav e alot inf common 20:23 Shara have alot in* 20:23 Mr-Pardison speed typing! 20:23 Shara Yuch, I can't type 20:23 Mr-Pardison always fun to see. 20:24 Raven262 That mod would turn my underground town into a graveyard on xanadu. 20:24 Shara I'm surprised how many people build underground in spite of it. 20:24 Mr-Pardison I'm going to make an underground storage cavern since my house is a bit cluttered ATM. 20:25 tenplus1 was thinking of anything below -1000 would hurt player when in darkness... 20:25 tenplus1 am awaiting mapgen layering (looks at paramat) 20:25 Shara tenplus1: stop being mean to Xanadu 20:25 tenplus1 ehehe, that reminds me, gotta add more bad lucky blocks :) 20:25 Shara Yes, you should :P 20:26 tenplus1 have an idea for one... projectile vomiting where all your inventory items spew in teh direction you are looking 20:26 * Megaf wants to take over Xanadu and RC, transform them into paralel dimensions and interconnect them with Megaf Server 20:26 * Megaf is dreaming to high 20:26 Mr-Pardison that would be interesting. 20:26 Raven262 tenplus1, nice one. 20:26 Mr-Pardison but I would say no. 20:26 Shara Hehehe 20:27 tenplus1 I need more bad lucky blocks though, so any ideas are welcome :) we currently have 292 on the list 20:27 Raven262 How about a block that, when placed, teleports the user to a height of 50 nodes above the placement point? 20:27 * Mr-Pardison would just open them on a boat in the event that they are an explosive one 20:27 tenplus1 we have a random teleport block :D 20:27 * Shara was actually just about to suggest a freefall node 20:27 Shara tenplus1: It always seems to put you underground though 20:27 Shara This would make you go splat 20:27 tenplus1 +/- 50 up/down and 100 in all otehr directions :d 20:27 Shara Or give you just enough time to type /home if you are quick 20:28 Raven262 And make it have all the attributes of wooden planks 20:28 benrob0329 A noclip falling bad lucky block 20:28 benrob0329 You fall through the world :D 20:29 Raven262 And a block that depletes user's hunger bar? 20:29 Raven262 Or the one that lowers the hp to 1 20:29 tenplus1 the dry bush attack is always fun and annoys the hell outta players :D 20:29 Raven262 Whats that? 20:29 tenplus1 ooh good idea raven :) 20:29 Raven262 :D 20:29 Raven262 Gotta think of more 20:29 tenplus1 dry bush attack drops ALL of your items and replaces each slot with a single dry bush 20:29 Raven262 Oh i love the idea 20:29 Shara ouch 20:29 Shara That is evil 20:30 Mr-Pardison truly evil. 20:30 tenplus1 muhahahahah 20:30 Mr-Pardison *bwahahahahaha 20:30 Raven262 Btw, are there any blocks that are not completely evil? 20:30 tenplus1 I have schematic traps, instafarms and other neutral things like trees... 20:30 Shara Raven262: there used to be, but he is slowly replacing them 20:30 benrob0329 Better start a burn pit 20:30 Raven262 Oh 20:30 Shara We will soon rename it Unlucky Blocks 20:30 benrob0329 Or practice alchemy 20:30 tenplus1 yeah, many MANY drops for a lot of mods that support lucky blocks :) 20:31 * Shara tries to remember what she was even doing with this mod 20:31 tenplus1 even with all the bad blocks players still wanna play and bug me to regen arena :D 20:32 tenplus1 they know the risks :D 20:32 Shara Yup... would love to get to run such games 20:32 Raven262 Nah, they don't 20:32 Shara But DL needs to be more stable before I add anything else 20:32 tenplus1 any player with 'limit' privs can regen arena on xanadu 20:32 Raven262 They are probably uninformed of all the evil stuff that could happen to them. 20:32 Shara And it probably wouldn't woprk so well on DL 20:32 Shara tenplus1: you never gave me that :P 20:33 Shara I think I refused it when you offered :P 20:33 Raven262 tenplus1, why not a timer that automatically refreshes it? 20:33 tenplus1 I have blockmens treasure chest mod in dungeons with a quick change to allow chests AND lucky blcoks also :) so you can find them in world 20:33 Shara Raven262: server would be overflowing with rare items 20:33 Raven262 Well, lower the refresh rate :P 20:34 Shara Not as much fun 20:34 Raven262 Yeah probably 20:35 tenplus1 that wouldnt work... players clear it fast and I dont want them winning tons of items and not playing/exploring in the world 20:35 Raven262 How about this one: Lucky block drops a tool that looks exactly like a diamond tool but has stats of a wooden one. 20:35 Raven262 :O 20:35 tenplus1 heh, unlucky axe etc... nice... we have special item vuiolet screwdriver with 2500 uses 20:35 Mr-Pardison that's evil. 20:35 Mr-Pardison but rather smart. 20:35 Raven262 I am evil. Chaotic evil 20:35 Raven262 Ya know 20:36 Raven262 Wait, wrong game 20:36 tenplus1 ooh, I could add a lucky block for toolranks so that whatever tool you are holding to open the box will automatically switch to level 6 :) 20:37 Raven262 lisac would like this 20:37 Raven262 Right, lisac? 20:37 lisac hmm 20:37 tenplus1 would be nice if many more mods would support lucky blocks, the api isnt that hard to add new blocks :D 20:37 Raven262 Or one that sets level to 7 20:37 Raven262 And that is the only way to get level 7 20:37 Amaz You could also add another lucky block which sets the tool right back to the start of level 1 :P 20:37 tenplus1 ooh :P 20:38 Raven262 Amaz, I didn't know you are that kind of a person. 20:38 tenplus1 good and bad for same mod, I like it... thx amaz 20:38 lisac Amaz: better, just leave the level and wipe the progress 20:38 lisac 1000 digs? level 5? 20:38 lisac why not start over 20:38 Raven262 lisac is somewhere in the middle 20:38 tenplus1 level relies on the digs though 20:38 Amaz :) 20:39 Raven262 And a lucky blocks which allows the player to teleport to a location of their choice and works once? 20:39 tenplus1 the blocks.lua has support for many mods atm, and all of my own mods have there own lucky blocks added :) 20:39 Raven262 For the location, it should be somewhere in 500 nodes near what player has desired. 20:39 tenplus1 hrm, shows a formspec with nuymber fields :D 20:40 Megaf hum, I might have deleted one my my server backups 20:40 Megaf whoops 20:40 Mr-Pardison RIP 20:40 Raven262 Megaf, I deleted my whole system once. 20:40 Raven262 Not on purpose. 20:40 Megaf I dont understand, it should be there, the backup, but it isnt 20:40 Raven262 It wasn'tt oo fun, but I know i won't be ever doing it again. 20:40 Raven262 *too 20:41 Megaf (It's not a big deal, I have two copies in two different storage medias just beside me) 20:41 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 20:41 Megaf I have 4 copies of my server in total 20:41 nerzhul hi tenplus1 20:41 Megaf yeah, the copy I have in the Netherlands is gone 20:41 Jordach herro 20:41 tenplus1 oops 20:41 tenplus1 hi Jordach 20:42 Megaf just have 2 copies in Ireland and one in London 20:42 Shara Hi Jordach 20:43 * Jordach gets to work on the next avtomat machine 20:44 Jordach an automated tree logger 20:44 Jordach but consumes 1 charcoal / coal per tree 20:44 tenplus1 ooh nice... 20:44 Jordach it doesn't plant saplings, that's what the block placer is for 20:44 tenplus1 coal powered machines like compactor, grinder etc would be nice 20:46 Megaf man, the first thing I'm buyign for myself when I get a that job is a ThinkPad 20:46 Jordach ThonkPad 20:46 Megaf Can't stand this MacBook Pro anymore 20:46 Jordach Megaf, gib MBP 20:46 tenplus1 *shudder*... macbooks sucketh 20:46 Jordach Megaf, what year? 20:46 lisac Megaf: can't you install a different OS to a MacBook? 20:47 Megaf Jordach: of what? 20:47 Jordach the MBP 20:47 Megaf lisac: I can, but doesnt run well 20:47 Jordach what year of manufacture 20:47 Megaf Jordach: 2010 20:47 Jordach not bad 20:47 Megaf the laptop is fantastic 20:47 Jordach i've always loved the MBP desogns 20:47 Megaf I can't stand macOS anymore 20:47 Jordach until dongles 20:47 Megaf doesnt even read all my XFS, JFS and Ext4 USB sticks 20:47 lisac restarting IRC 20:47 Jordach Megaf, just install windows :) 20:48 * Megaf throws a box of Windows Me CDs at Jordach 20:48 IhrFussel tenplus1, the warnings happen again since I enabled path finding...the algorithm doesn't seem to matter much 20:48 * lisac is now playing Winter's Gate, Pt. 6 (Winter's Gate) by Insomnium [2:36/5:12] [Playing] [played 14 times] [Melodic Death Metal] 20:48 lisac No way 20:48 lisac it actually works 20:48 Megaf lisac: what did you do 20:49 Jordach Megaf, windows ME ran perfectly on my Pentium 2 20:49 Jordach using 98 SE drivers on ME is a death sentence 20:49 Jordach same reason for vista 20:49 Jordach lazy manufacturers 20:49 lisac Megaf: recompiled hexchat 20:49 lisac with newer lua 20:49 Megaf I actually liked Windows Me as well 20:50 Jordach i liked vista 20:50 Jordach it's security is actually stronger than windows 10 20:50 Megaf Vista has some of the best Windows desisgns 20:50 Megaf it is actually quite good looking 20:50 Jordach 7 was just XP with the aero bodykit slapped onto it 20:51 Megaf Windows Vista, Mac OS X Tiger, macOS High Sierra. All good looking OSes 20:51 Megaf Jordach: actually they have very different kernels 20:51 Jordach i think what windows 10 is the change from x64 to a universal computing architecture 20:52 Megaf Windows XP was Windows 2000 with Windows ME closthes and software 20:52 Megaf Windows 2000 was Windows NT 4 with Windows 98 SE clothes 20:52 Megaf Windows NT 4 was OS/2 Warp 4 with windows 95 clothes 20:53 Megaf Windows 95 was Windows 3.11 for workgroups with fancy clothes 20:53 Megaf Windows 3.x was DOS with fancy clothes 20:53 Megaf DOS was CP/2 with fancy name. 20:53 Megaf CP/M 2 was a college assignment of some student 20:54 Megaf there you have it 20:54 CWz a PC is just a fancy calculator 20:54 Jordach Megaf, and windows 10 is the merging of universal computing 20:54 Megaf Windows 10 is just a college homework 20:54 Jordach and traditional x64 20:54 Raven262 A calculator is just a fancy piece of plastic and metals. 20:54 Megaf fancy paper and pen 20:55 Megaf Not sure where OS/2 comes from tho 20:55 Mr-Pardison Windows 10 not working is a feature. 20:55 Mr-Pardison not a bug. 20:55 Megaf It has some insipiration on UNIX 20:55 tenplus1 lolol 20:55 Jordach it's worked everyday for me since i installed it 20:55 Megaf but I don't know where the code comes from 20:55 tenplus1 I wouldnt trust win10 as far as I could throw it 20:55 rubenwardy yay, os flamewar 20:55 tenplus1 :PP 20:56 Raven262 Win10 has worked perfectly here, the applications ran inside of it have failed a few times. 20:56 Megaf rubenwardy: not yet, Trying to get there 20:56 Jordach philips hue_ 20:56 tenplus1 I got fed up disabling all the spyware crap for clients that I ended up giving them Xubuntu instaed... no complaints yet 20:56 Megaf not sure we can have flamewar here. We like each other too much 20:56 Jordach ^ 20:56 Raven262 Kubuntu here, looks epic but is a bit slow :P 20:56 tenplus1 too much eye candy :D 20:57 Jordach i install manjaro with KDE ona 5200 spinner 20:57 Megaf Aha, don't get me started on Ubuntu, that piece of crap! 20:57 Jordach holy shit that was slow 20:57 Jordach i like ubuntu 20:57 tenplus1 lol, ubuntu hasnt failed me yet :) lubuntu on desktop, xubuntu on laptop 20:57 tenplus1 and I get such a graphical gain using it than winblows 20:57 Jordach ubuntu for all it's faults 20:57 Raven262 tenplus1, https://i.imgur.com/54bhz7m.png like that. 20:57 Megaf Debian everywhere! 20:57 Jordach has a more positive result on linux as it's actually tested 20:58 tenplus1 ooh nice screenty 20:58 Megaf Now, speaking seriously. I don't see the point on Ubuntu 20:58 Megaf juse use Debian Testing or Debian Unstable 20:58 Megaf same thing, but better 20:58 Jordach Megaf, and those are for nerds 20:58 Megaf and without spy stuff 20:58 Jordach Ubuntu is for normies 20:58 Jordach and it's been tested on plenty of hardware 20:58 Raven262 And arch? 20:58 Raven262 I never tried that one. 20:58 tenplus1 debian is great, but ubuntu is debian with pre-set desktops and settings that works that little bit better for noobs 20:58 Jordach gentoo if you often order from bad dragon :^) 20:58 Amaz <3 Void with xfce :) 21:00 Megaf Arch had point in a time when we had 686 CPUs, as in Pentium II and K6-2 and beyong CPUS and the most optimized OS was 586, like Mandriva, eveything else was optimzed for 386 CPUs. Arch was the only one built exclusively to make good use of then modern CPUs 21:00 Megaf but now, everything is AMD64 21:00 tenplus1 they are pushing for 64-bit and trying to deprecate 32-bit kernel eventually 21:00 Jordach i don't blame them 21:00 Megaf So, if you have a Pentium II or III, go for Arch 21:00 tenplus1 wait until 128bit is a thing :P hah 21:00 Jordach every game dev i've spoke to wants to get rid of x86 21:01 Raven262 Every linux native game i got has both 64 and 86 Oo 21:01 Megaf You didnt speak to me about it 21:01 Jordach but that's linux 21:01 Jordach someone always complains if it's not tailored to them :^) 21:02 IhrFussel Is A*_noprefetch a custom path finding algorithm? I can't find anything about it outside of MT 21:02 Megaf by the way, here I am setting up a Linux virtual machine on macOS just so I can read my Linux USB sticks... 21:02 tenplus1 it's the standard one for pathfinding, djovak is an alternative 21:03 IhrFussel Yes but I wanted to look at the differences...I only find A* without "noprefetch" 21:03 Jordach Megaf, https://jordach.net/images/brfufknedvkovllz.gif 21:03 Mr-Pardison g2g 21:03 Mr-Pardison cya in a bit. 21:03 Megaf cya Mr-Pardison 21:03 tenplus1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinding 21:04 Megaf Jordach: that's creepy 21:04 Megaf Jordach: you made it yourself, didn't ya!? 21:04 Jordach lolno 21:04 Megaf hah 21:05 Megaf you could... 21:05 Megaf but it'd be creepier 21:05 IhrFussel tenplus1, * `algorithm`: One of `"A*_noprefetch"` (default), `"A*"`, `"Dijkstra"` 21:05 rubenwardy does anyone here have a x86 only computer 21:05 IhrFussel I find nothing about "_noprefetch" of A* only A* itself 21:06 tenplus1 I have an old laptop that's x86... but both my desktop and newer lappy us amd64 21:07 tenplus1 single core no less :D 21:07 benrob0329 Amaz: void fam 21:07 benrob0329 Void is da best :DD 21:07 Fixer FF57 is indeed much more faster and smoother compared to 52ESR I'm using, but absense of some valuable addons is sad, like flashgot, add2bookmark, scrapbook, etc 21:07 tenplus1 it's a good update Fixer, I only ever use ublock lite tho... 21:08 IhrFussel rubenwardy, is Intel Dualcore x86 only? 21:08 benrob0329 Fixer: who needs flashgot when you have youtube-dl? 21:08 Amaz benrob0329: Yup :D 21:08 Fixer benrob0329: who needs youtube-dl when you can vdyoutube 21:08 Megaf [21:05:44] does anyone here have a x86 only computer 21:08 tenplus1 lol 21:08 Megaf I will have access to some in one week, why? 21:09 sofar x86 only? wut 21:09 Fixer https://www.vdyoutube.com/ 21:09 Megaf I have a K6-2 266Mhz, Duron 830 MHz, Athlon XP 2800+ 21:09 Megaf those are my x86_32 desktops 21:09 sofar does he mean 386? 32bit only? 21:09 Megaf and I have a Pentium II laptop too 21:09 tenplus1 yeh 21:09 Fixer benrob0329: using flashgot for file mass downloading, very poweful stuff 21:10 tenplus1 ooh, I had an Athlon 2400XP once :) great cpi 21:10 sofar just emulate one in qemu 21:10 Megaf I actually like real hardware for development 21:10 benrob0329 Fixer: define mass downloading 21:10 Fixer benrob0329: aka, say i wanted do DL those MOD files, few clicks - done (no need to click endlessly 100 files to download) 21:11 benrob0329 fair enough 21:11 Megaf indeed 21:12 Megaf I wish Quassel could show the song I'm listening to 21:12 tenplus1 no plugin for that ? 21:14 Megaf Quassel doesnt have support for plugins 21:14 Megaf Calinou: does it? ^ 21:14 tenplus1 buuuuu, easier to type "Listening to Song name" 21:14 tenplus1 nite folks :PPP 21:17 Megaf That moment you have 24 GB available and you need 31 GB 21:18 Megaf 21.91 GB free now 21:18 Megaf cya iTune library. 34 GB free now 21:19 Megaf "Choose a different volume with at least 31.72 GB of space available." 21:19 Megaf man!!! 21:19 Megaf I hate macOS! 21:19 Mr_Pardison and that is yet another reason why I will never buy an apple device. 21:19 Megaf I have 34.19 GB! 21:20 Megaf As far as I know I can put 31 GB inside 24 GBs! 21:20 Megaf 34* 21:21 Megaf Ok, had to close disk utility and open it again... It's working now. macOS everyday gets closer to Windows... 21:21 Megaf Mr_Pardison: Apple hardware is great 21:21 Megaf the closet thing we have to Apple hardware are the ThinkPads 21:21 Megaf in my opinion 21:21 Mr_Pardison yup 21:21 Mr_Pardison afk 21:25 Megaf Mr_Pardison: benrob0329: My dream machine. https://www3.lenovo.com/ie/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/ThinkpPad-P51/p/22TP2WPWP51 21:25 Megaf That thing is built for work, to work. 21:25 Megaf to be serviced and to be powerful 21:25 Megaf top quality 21:26 Megaf This is what all MacBook Pros want to be but never will 21:26 Megaf It's what MacBook Pros once were 21:26 Megaf XEON CPU!! 21:27 IhrFussel Path finding seems to be a bit buggy though...sometimes the mob is able to get me inside a simple maze, other times it doesn't even try to and just jumps at the same spot 21:27 Megaf isnt there an issue open on pathfiding? 21:28 shivajiva https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5479 21:29 Megaf there we go ^ 21:30 IhrFussel But how can it be that random for the EXACT same maze?? It's like MT decides on mood 21:30 Megaf tiny cosmic partciles flipping bits in your RAM chips 21:31 Mr_Pardison Megaf: using a thinkpad x131e right now. 21:31 Megaf yay 21:31 Mr_Pardison can be put into developer mode and run linux native. 21:32 Mr_Pardison haven't done that with this one yet since I haven't gotten around to it. 21:32 Megaf you have no idea how much I want a ThinkPad man 21:32 Megaf I'd be very happy if I could run Debian on my MacBook Pro just as well as it will run on a ThinkPad 21:33 Mr_Pardison Megaf: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x131e-amd/ 21:33 Mr_Pardison and this one: https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-thinkpad-x131e-3372-11-6-e2-1800-windows-8-pro-64-bit-windows-7-pro-64-bit-downgrade-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd-series/specs/ 21:33 Mr_Pardison ^ the specs of it according to CNET 21:34 Megaf Mr_Pardison: it's beautiful 21:35 Megaf Mr_Pardison: shame the CPU it's an E series 21:35 Megaf those CPUs are to AMD what Atom is for Intel 21:37 Megaf I mean, not saying they are bad 21:37 Megaf they are just not meant for merformance, they are meant to use little energy 21:37 Mr_Pardison It's pretty good for Tanki Online in terms of FPS. 21:37 Mr_Pardison I get 60 from that. 21:38 Megaf THe GPU built in that think is ok 21:38 Megaf I have a Satellite with an AMD E1 at 1,3 GHz 21:38 Mr_Pardison only thing is that I can't really have my spotify web player going at the same time if there are a lot of other ppl on the network or else it becomes laggy. 21:39 IhrFussel Wait...you actually HAVE TO define pathfinding = true in the mob file of Mobs Redo 21:41 Megaf I might just buy this thing https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-13-series/ThinkPad-13-Windows-2nd-Gen/p/22TP2TX133E 21:41 benrob0329 Megaf: if I ever have $2k to spend, I know what laptop I could get 21:42 Mr_Pardison I have over $4k in the bank (4,093 to be exact) but that's for college. 21:42 Megaf 13.3" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare <- with that screen 21:42 Megaf Mr_Pardison: I have 43 Cents in my bank acount and around 30 Euro in my wallet 21:43 benrob0329 Anti glare as in..matte finish? 21:43 Megaf I could do with the job I went for the chat/interview today 21:43 Megaf benrob0329: I think so, yes 21:43 benrob0329 My desktop monitor is a matte finish and it works great 21:43 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/zyqnqrtmrbwkmvehbh.png 21:44 benrob0329 More difficult to clean though 21:44 Megaf macs are very reflexive... 21:44 Megaf whats that Jordach 21:44 Jordach what does a chainsaw specifically do 21:44 benrob0329 Jordach: your automating a piece of rebar? 21:44 Mr_Pardison in technic? 21:44 Mr_Pardison well, it is used to cut down trees. 21:44 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: not technic :-) 21:45 Mr_Pardison I made my own custom addition to it so that it could be used to cut down ethereal plant life as well. 21:45 benrob0329 Jordach: I take it thats an auto chopper 21:45 Jordach benrob0329, certain machines need fuel :) 21:47 benrob0329 Jordach: so what, you plant trees around it and it will chop them down for fuel? 21:47 Jordach benrob0329, on it's own, it needs the movers to empty the inventory 21:49 Megaf brb, will install Debian back on my mac, will come back when I'm ready. cya soon 21:49 Mr_Pardison k 21:49 Mr_Pardison cya Megaf. have fun and don't take any L's. 21:54 benrob0329 My Lua book is "Out For Delivery" 21:54 benrob0329 Unfortunately I'm one of the last houses on the rout it seems most days 21:56 IhrFussel drop = "" in register_node() is a simple way to "steal" the node from the player when dug ... didn't know that 21:56 Mr_Pardison well, departing now. 21:56 Mr_Pardison cya tomorrow. 22:06 Megaf will have to perform a hard disk transplant first... 22:06 Megaf welcome back Mr_Pardison 22:06 Raven262 Who knows, maybe it won't be that hard after all. 22:07 Mr_Pardison back until the bus leaves. 22:07 Megaf I installed the wrong hard disk in my mac 22:08 Megaf put my backup disk instead of the disk for OS 22:08 Mr_Pardison ..... 22:10 Megaf why do they put so many scews in laptops? 22:11 Jordach to screw people 22:11 Mr_Pardison screw us over. 22:16 Mr_Pardison l8r peeps. 22:16 Megaf will have to take my mac apart again 22:16 benrob0329 its a bit screwy when you think about it 22:16 Megaf lol 22:17 benrob0329 Bye Mr_Pardison 22:18 Megaf Toshiba is back in one piece 22:18 Megaf waiting for dd to finish here 22:18 Megaf I think nobody reinstall OSes more often than me 22:19 benrob0329 Megaf: there's probably someone 22:20 benrob0329 I usually end up reinstalling every 6 months 22:20 Fixer https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues heh 22:20 benrob0329 I like to change up my setup once in a while 22:27 Fixer https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/397 22:31 Megaf lol Fixer 22:32 Fixer redhat sponsored development, have a nice day 22:32 sofar oh ffs 22:32 Megaf will remove systemd from Debian as soon as I install it here 22:32 sofar it's off topic, complain somewhere else 22:32 Fixer just amusing / notasystemduser 22:32 Fixer just a little bit of offtopic is healthy 22:33 sofar it's annoying 22:33 sofar to me, personally, you know I worked on systemd 22:33 sofar so, you're trolling 22:33 sofar so, take it somewhere else 22:35 Megaf sofar: I actually think is very nice that you worked on systemd, how was it? Did you learn much? 22:35 sofar systemd learned from me, in a way 22:35 Megaf benrob0329: my Toshiba laptop has a Hitachi HD and my Apple has a Toshiba HD... 22:36 sofar it came into existance because of work me and a colleague did 22:36 Fixer sofar: you have not seen 100s of pages of systemd hate, justified or not, it is there, everything poettering related had legendary hate 22:36 Fixer same with pulseaudio 22:36 Megaf sofar: well, we always learn when developing a new project 22:36 sofar if (CHANGE) then { HATE } 22:36 Megaf I learned a lot from Minetest 22:36 sofar sounds xenophobic/racist/conservative 22:36 Fixer possibly, it was amusing to read, I have not suffered from it 22:37 Fixer from systemd itself 22:37 Megaf Fixer: lets just stop that ;) 22:38 Fixer pulseaudio initially had tooons of bugs, systemd fueled that endless bloat vs unixway flamewar 22:38 sofar Megaf: systemd originated because me and a colleage showed everyone that you can boot linux in 5 seconds on crap hardware if you stop being stupid, and by extension you make it more secure and more robust 22:38 sofar upstart failed due to political reasons 22:38 sofar systemd has, and is, a community effort 22:39 sofar always been 22:39 Megaf sofar: the problem is, I have yet to see a good implementation of systemd 22:39 sofar try ClearLinux 22:39 Megaf Debian takes ages to boot with systemd 22:39 sofar of course, everyone complains when they leave sysvinit compat code enabled 22:39 Megaf or just as long as it takes with a normal init 22:39 Megaf aha 22:39 sofar that's the real culprit 22:39 sofar you can not expect systemd to understand how init scripts work 22:40 sofar so, pick a distro that has sysv compat code in systemd disabled 22:40 sofar ergo, ClearLinux 22:40 Fixer classical init was very weird in itself 22:40 benrob0329 sofar: as a conservative I find that to br trolling ;-) 22:40 sofar nobody used classic init correctly 22:40 Fixer remember that SXX and KXX stuff? or hand crafted bash scripts, it miraculously worked 22:40 sofar nobody puts sshd into /etc/inittab 22:40 sofar "miraculously" 22:41 sofar point proven 22:41 Fixer there is and idiom for that, i forgot one 22:41 benrob0329 Classic init was bad, BSD scripts are questionable 22:41 sofar all init scripts are bad, by definition 22:41 sofar spawning thousands of shell processes at boot time 22:41 Fixer init system out of rocks and sticks that was glued together and it kinda even worked for all those years 22:42 benrob0329 Runit is my personal favorite, but Systemd works 22:42 benrob0329 I dont yell at people for using it :-) 22:42 Megaf sofar: everyday you manage to make me more and more curious about clear linux 22:42 Megaf I tried it a couple of times in the very begining of the project 22:43 sofar you can run it for free in AWS for 12 months 22:43 sofar (within certain limits) 22:43 sofar free server! 22:43 Megaf nah, I have my dedicated now 22:43 benrob0329 If nothing else, Systemd sparked the discussion of what an init system should be 22:44 sofar how much? what do you get for it? 22:44 Megaf sofar: I have it mostly because of 4 GB of RAM and 2 TB for disk space for 14 USD 22:44 sofar per? month? 22:44 Megaf yet 22:45 Megaf and 4 cores 22:45 sofar pretty decent, what hoster? 22:46 Megaf sofar: CPU is an old Atom N200, 1,8 GHz, 2 real cores 2 SMT 22:46 Megaf sofar: it's KimSufi 22:47 Megaf https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml 22:47 Megaf I have the KS-2E 22:50 sofar ah, neat 22:51 Megaf Problem with ClearLinux is that is not really a desktop OS 22:51 sofar I have a slightly beefier hoster, I'd love to get more storage on it somehow, at some point 22:52 sofar yep, it's not meant for that, perhaps in the future we'll get to that 22:52 sofar it's slowly improving, though 22:52 Megaf The thing is, I'm pretty happy with Debian as server OS. for Server it boots very quick 22:52 Megaf and works very well 22:53 sofar nothing boots as fast as clearlinux, by a large margin 22:54 sofar most server os builds boot reasonably fast, though. Most people don't care about a sub-10 second boot 22:54 sofar however, the clearlinux professional customer comes complaining to us if boot time is > 0.5sec 22:54 sofar (in some cases) 22:55 sofar $ systemd-analyze 22:55 sofar Startup finished in 281.3ms (kernel) + 635.1ms (userspace) = 916.4ms 22:55 sofar that's the "ultra cheapo" aws free tier hosting with clearlinux ^ 22:56 sofar btw, that's 380ms+ for resizing my filesystem to a new size at last boot 22:56 sofar so, normal boot time is more like 0.6sec 22:57 Megaf That's a fast SSD 22:57 Megaf and lots of cache 22:58 sofar http://minetestmedia.foo-projects.org/bootchart.svg 22:58 sofar if you don't trust my data - check the bootchart yourself 22:58 Megaf Easy booting fast on fast hardware 22:58 sofar aws free tier has remote storage 22:58 sofar it's "ssd" but on a fabric, and limited in bandwidth 22:59 Megaf init=/usr/bin/initra-aws 22:59 Megaf not a normal OS 22:59 Megaf you are comparing a very optimzed thing for a specific platform 23:00 Megaf again BOOT_IMAGE=org.clearlinux.aws.4.13.12-56 23:00 Megaf a kernel built for that environment 23:00 nerzhul sofar, boot time is useless for a server 23:00 Megaf I can optimize Debian to boot fast on anything 23:00 sofar nerzhul: not for a container/vm OS (you don't want VMs to take 10 seconds to boot if you start millions) 23:00 Megaf And Debian is among the fastest, if not the fastest for web server, database and scitific workloads 23:00 nerzhul my Archlinux boots in 2.3 sec on my PC with many services up (libvirt, docker, gdm, rabbitmq and some more) 23:01 sofar Megaf: don't trust me, read phoronix/openbenchmarking.org 23:01 nerzhul container OS doesn't have to be on VM they should be on baremetal and baremetal boot times are slow due to server BIOS :p 23:01 Megaf sofar: that's where I'm getting my performance data from 23:01 Megaf Debian is not far behind clearlinux 23:01 Megaf I'm not saying ClearLinux is bad, I'm saying Debian can be just as good. 23:02 Megaf It's up to the sysadmin 23:02 sofar nerzhul: clearlinux containers boot in 0.1 seconds on normal hardware (with full UEFI firmware) 23:02 nerzhul which constructor ? it's neither the case on Dell, nor on HP nor on supermicro :p 23:02 nerzhul and they are the 3 most great hardware constructors :p 23:02 Megaf not even Macs load EFI in 0.1 seconds... 23:03 sofar you'd need clearlinux as both the host and the VM to get that, though 23:03 nerzhul Debian boots in 1 sec on all servers if your forgot the vendor hardware checks at boot time 23:03 Fixer https://www.atarimagazines.com/cva/v1n2/pocketgames7.jpg lel 23:03 nerzhul and i don't care about 0.9 sec boot time on a server, i have many more problems than upfront a VM host :p 23:03 sofar you're not my customer 23:03 sofar that's fine 23:04 Megaf Even Ubuntu is almost as fast as ClearLinux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=clear-linux-7980xe&num=2 23:04 Megaf apart from one or two tests 23:05 nerzhul except developers which can take care about 1sec (but... developers forgot to shutdown their pc, and then don't care), nobody cares about 0.1 sec boot time, in big infrastructure you will have common rules about kernels, network etc, and the boot time is not intresting as you don't need to scale in the second and either in VM creation or in hardware allocation you have more long time than 1sec 23:05 Megaf but again, that test is totally meaningless 23:05 Megaf nerzhul: most of customers are not big data 23:05 Megaf they are small and medium companies 23:05 nerzhul i don't talk about big data 23:06 Megaf easily impressed about boot time 23:06 nerzhul i talk about medium companies, not gafa 23:06 rubenwardy Megaf, sofar: just wanted to do a quick sample on who here is stuck with x86 23:06 nerzhul and big companies are not gafa 23:06 sofar rubenwardy: ahhh 23:06 Megaf rubenwardy: I answered you already, now you read the backlog and get back to me 23:06 rubenwardy as someone mentioned about games not supporting x86 anymore, only amd64 23:06 nerzhul generally they have same problem as medium companies, just they have 5 or 10 times more servers, but they are very heterogenous 23:07 Megaf nerzhul: but I can see cases where boot time is important 23:07 Megaf specially if you have all your services as isolated containers 23:07 nerzhul useless 23:07 Megaf you want your containers to start fast after the boot 23:07 nerzhul the boot time is not used in containers :p 23:07 Megaf Myself is a user for several containers 23:07 Fixer i have notebook in use - x86-32 one 23:07 nerzhul you just start processus in container, the host os is already running 23:07 Megaf each container has to boot 23:07 Fixer iirc 23:07 nerzhul no 23:07 nerzhul container just launch a process 23:07 sofar haha 23:08 Megaf not mine containers 23:08 Megaf my containers are basically VMs 23:08 Megaf they just share the kernel 23:08 sofar it's a good thing you guys aren't in deciders in my department 23:08 nerzhul if you launch systemd or sysv it's a process :p 23:08 sofar I'd be out of a job fast 23:08 nerzhul but today's container are app containers, not OS containers 23:08 Megaf sofar: it's just different usecases 23:08 nerzhul i have both in my infrastructure 23:08 Fixer expectation: https://www.atarimagazines.com/cva/v1n2/demonattack2.jpg / reality: https://www.atarimagazines.com/cva/v1n2/demonattack3.jpg 23:09 Megaf nerzhul and me in our use cases we just don't care so much about boot time 23:09 nerzhul yeah the boot time usecare is a very very little usecase, runtime is the most important usecase 23:09 nerzhul but i appreciate the work sofar , it's just useless in 99% world's infrastructures :p 23:09 Megaf nerzhul: I wouldnt say that 23:09 Megaf there are cases and cases 23:09 Mr_Pardison Well, I was wrong. 23:10 Mr_Pardison I'm back now. 23:10 Megaf ClearLinux would be awesome in routers/switches/set top boces 23:10 Megaf boxes* 23:10 Fixer i've opened pandora flamebox :( 23:10 Megaf is there anything more annoying than waiting for your TV to boot up? 23:10 sofar nerzhul: it's ok, I work for the 1% anyway 23:10 Megaf Fixer: no flame here, just a healthy discussion 23:10 nerzhul Megaf, in home routers why not, but rebooting a router is like rebooting a server, it's not the most common case and hardware check are always important 23:11 sofar btw, clearlinux also ships an optimized minetestserver 23:11 sofar :D 23:11 nerzhul sofar, no problem, i have FreeBSD servers and it's also 1% of the global UNIX installations :p 23:11 Fixer of UNIX or Unix? 23:11 sofar wrong side of the binomial distribution, though 23:11 Megaf sofar: now, about minetest server, I doubt it would be faster than my build 23:11 Megaf we have to benchmark that 23:11 sofar agreed XD 23:12 sofar how to test, though? 23:12 Megaf sofar: I just send you my build already compiled 23:12 Megaf and you run it on clearlinux 23:12 Megaf and compare to the build you have 23:13 Megaf I just need to know the CPU you will use to test 23:13 sofar sure, but I'd have to come up with a way to measure something consistently 23:13 Megaf minetestserver has some primitive benchmark thing 23:13 Megaf sofar: I totally agree on that 23:14 Megaf I spent a lot of time studying and researching CPU architecture and compilers. And have no way of properly benchmarking it 23:14 sfan5 are you using funroll-loops, Megaf? 23:15 Megaf sfan5: oftentimes yes 23:15 sofar -fomg-optimize -fwelove-yourmoney 23:15 sfan5 have you actually verified it to help 23:15 Megaf sfan5: as we are discussing here, there's no way to properly benchmark minetestserver 23:15 Megaf so nobody knows 23:16 sofar sfan5: I wrote an article ages ago proving that most optimizations over -O2 only hurt performance... still gets references once in a while, lol 23:16 sofar it would be nice to have a mapgenbench 23:16 sofar maybe we can cook something up 23:17 sofar that in itself would be a reasonable performance benchmark 23:17 Megaf -mfpmath=both <- this can actually bring performance gains 23:17 sfan5 {{cn}} 23:17 * Mr_Pardison hands sofar a frying pan 23:17 Megaf ok, will be back on Debian, going to swap HDs now and install Debian, cya 23:17 sofar trying to find a link, lol, the original blog no longer exists 23:20 sofar we're talking something I wrote in 2002 or so, yikes 23:29 Megaf Back 23:29 Megaf on Debian now 23:29 Megaf :D 23:30 Megaf 10 minutes, oh boy, I can do that faster 23:30 * Mr-Pardison hands Megaf a timer 23:31 * Megaf hands Mr-Pardison an atomic clock 23:32 sofar careful, by moving it you make it inaccurate 23:32 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQy0iY1W0AAQeIm.jpg:large 23:32 Megaf sofar: really? 23:32 Megaf lol fixer 23:32 Fixer just now on my money machine in beta: https://i.imgur.com/V4VXNK1.png 23:32 Megaf lol2 23:32 sofar yes, absolutely, a clock that is moving goes slower than a clock that stands still 23:33 Megaf ah, that moving 23:33 sofar general relativity 23:33 Megaf I thought you mean like, just touching it 23:33 sofar Fixer: "this is fine" 23:34 Megaf sofar: have you ever heard about OpenVZ? 23:34 sofar obviously 23:34 sofar I have an OpenVZ host, even 23:34 Megaf sofar: so, that's the container technology I use 23:34 sofar well, technically my wife has 23:34 Megaf CentOS as host and several Debian containers 23:34 Megaf OpenVZ 6 23:35 Megaf with the Red Hat kernel... 23:35 Megaf no ClearLinux there... https://openvz.org/Download/template/precreated 23:37 sofar one of our images may work, but, tbh, I doubt it 23:37 sofar we don't support openvz atm 23:39 Megaf well, never will, OpenVZ 6 is going to be disconinued 23:42 Megaf unless someone fork it and keep developing it 23:42 Megaf I'd love to see a newer kernel on it... 23:54 Mr-Pardison Sokomine! If you want those items, I would highly suggest you get to the spawn on DL. 23:57 Megaf Finally got spell to work on Quassel, although it's only working for American English so far 23:58 Megaf Aha! I got it working of real English now. 23:58 Mr-Pardison English is English. 23:59 Mr-Pardison slight variations in pronunciation, spelling of words, and meaning.