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00:00 benrob0329 Megaf: its an emoji
00:00 benrob0329 My phone's keyboard has them, and Riot had them on desktop
00:00 benrob0329 *has
00:00 Megaf Now that touch bar with emojis in the new macbokk pros would come handy
00:01 benrob0329 Its called Unicode, welcome to the future ;-)
00:01 Megaf heh
00:02 rubenwardy ūüĎć
00:02 Megaf hm, cool, the next debian release will have automatic updates for security updates
00:02 Megaf It just asked me if I want to enable it, in hte installer
00:02 benrob0329 Automatic...i'm not sure how I feel about that
00:03 benrob0329 Having root download anything without my consent is worrying
00:03 Megaf It's opional
00:03 Megaf but yeah, man in the middle can cause havoc
00:03 Megaf all that is needed is a simple DNS spoofing
00:04 benrob0329 Yup
00:04 benrob0329 Which is why I dislike it
00:04 Megaf that can be done with a simple hosts.conf change or a dns server in the network
00:04 Megaf so hopefully APT will have a checksum or something to verify the server
00:04 benrob0329 But optional is good, but an optional security risk seems stupid imo
00:05 Megaf It depends on how it's implemented
00:05 Megaf and it's not definitive yet, the debian community still discussingabout it and testing it
00:05 Megaf not sure if it will make to the stable version
00:06 Megaf Riot is a Matrix thing isn't it?
00:07 benrob0329 Yes
00:07 benrob0329 We need better clients :-(
00:07 Megaf Rattle That Lock is a pretty neat album
00:07 benrob0329 Riot does the job, but its a webapp with questionable UX decisions at times
00:08 Megaf Rattle That Lock (Extended Mix)6:25David GilmourRattle That Lock (Deluxe)Rock
00:08 Megaf that's a nice song
00:09 * Megaf has an amazing music taste/taste for music
00:10 * Megaf thinks about hiring c55 as mod for his server
00:10 Megaf mod/op
00:10 Megaf xP
00:14 Fixer rubenwardy: it actually persists after restarts, with shaders on it turns invisible in hotbar
00:15 Megaf gonna go to cook something
00:21 Fixer c o n f i r m e d
00:23 Megaf F  i  x  e  r    -    A Story About Broken Things That Couldn't Be FIxed.
00:23 Megaf On the cinema closest to you
00:23 Fixer bisecting a bug
00:24 Megaf poor bug
00:24 Megaf Hopefuly you killed the bug before doing htat
00:24 Megaf ANd hopefuly it was quick and painless
00:26 Fixer hmm, i need just one compile to confirm like a BOSS
00:28 Fixer always keep your old build archives, boyz
00:28 * Megaf doez dat
00:30 Megaf oh bot, spinning beach ball
00:30 Megaf s/bot/boy
00:30 Megaf I must be running out of RAM
00:31 Fixer install Debian Sarge - should be within 30 mb ram
00:31 Fixer ,_,
00:32 Megaf No need to go that far
00:32 Megaf Squeeze will do
00:32 Fixer i had Sarge when I had 512mb ram
00:35 Fixer when I started playing minetest in 2011, i boosted my ram from 512 to 1536mb, since damn firefox was taking too much RAM (dangerously much)
00:37 Megaf in 2011 I was using Mandriva 2010.2
00:37 Megaf with KDE 3
00:38 Fixer found regression PR, my work here is done
00:38 Megaf on 512 MB of RAM, running on an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ at 2083MH
00:38 Megaf MHz*
00:38 Megaf and an ATI Radeon 9200 SE with 128 MB of RAM DDR 1, 64 bit memory, AGP 8X
00:39 Megaf On an ASUS motherboard :P
00:39 Megaf A7V8-X, I think that's the model
00:39 Megaf :D
00:39 Megaf crazy how I remember these stuff
00:41 Fixer oh
00:41 Fixer at 9200se sucked
00:41 Fixer i had ati 9600xt with faulty gpu/mem
00:42 Megaf Actually soon after I got this PC I installed Windows 98 SE on it
00:42 Fixer now I'm on videocard from 2005 that is actually faster than what I had in 2011
00:42 shivajiva any thoughts on handling owner privs, the options seem to be prevent the account from losing any privs or retain server & grant so that the account can be used for testing
00:42 Megaf man, I was amazed how well it played NFS Porsche and F-22 Lighting II
00:42 Fixer recently i was thinking about using my old P4 PC as retro one, but forgot it has AGP port... shit
00:42 Megaf shivajiva: edit minetest.conf
00:42 Megaf change name =
00:43 Fixer Megaf: F-22? pfffff I played that on.... on something really ancient before this ati/geforce era
00:43 Fixer Megaf: it should run on calculators
00:43 Megaf F-22 Raptor was a different game, with software render only
00:44 Megaf the Lighting II had some very nice hardware rendering
00:44 Megaf oh, and IL-2 Sturmovik!
00:44 Megaf That game was awesome
00:45 Fixer Megaf: basicly, i've played both Lighting II and IL-2 on Celeron 3XX Mhz PC in ~2000
00:45 Fixer ._.
00:45 Megaf Fixer: yep, my Athlon was from 2002
00:45 Megaf when I was playing these games...
00:45 Megaf before that I was playing F-22 on my K6-2 at 266 MHz with 32 MB of RAM
00:45 Fixer lighting ii on celeron and il2 probably on older p4 1.7ghz with ati radeon 7200
00:46 Megaf but I had a Trident PCI card back then
00:46 Fixer gn
00:46 Megaf that K6-2 was sick, It would run nicely at 333 MHz
00:46 Megaf night..
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01:02 Megaf I can upgrade my macbook pro from 4 GB to 8 GB for 30 Euro or to 16 GB for 80 Euro
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02:09 rubenwardy holy s***
02:09 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/pplsHtAli4.png
02:09 rubenwardy ha
02:10 benrob0329 heh
02:11 rubenwardy this is a pretty interesting article: https://scotthelme.co.uk/revocation-is-broken/
02:11 rubenwardy trying to find out how to enable OSCP stapling for my site
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03:55 jas_ ascii
04:02 ThomasMonroe unicode?
04:02 ThomasMonroe :p
04:02 ThomasMonroe night all
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04:07 jas_ *g*
05:07 jas_ today it's the 50th day i've been playing with right mouse button for jumping and spacebar for placing.  shit.
05:07 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6537
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08:55 tenplus1 hi folks
09:36 shivajiva Hi tenplus
09:36 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's things :0
09:37 shivajiva not bad, nice and frosty this morning but no snow
09:37 tenplus1 same here, heating is on tho :PP
09:37 tenplus1 did you pop by Xanadu to try out new Spleef! arena ?
09:43 shivajiva no, but I should, just caught up on the latest posts
09:43 tenplus1 heh, a lot in the forums today :P
09:44 shivajiva at least no emails from Prudence Dogwood today
09:45 shivajiva well I say that but the day is young, nope
09:45 Amaz Hello all :)
09:46 tenplus1 hi amaz
09:46 shivajiva got the nuts bit right, hiya Amaz :)
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10:12 tenplus1 hi Jordach
10:33 CWz would it be possible to prevent hacked clients from placeing toomany blocks
10:37 Jordach yes
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10:47 tenplus1 hi nerzhul
10:47 nerzhul hi tenplus1
11:03 CWz :)
11:22 Raven262 Hi ten
11:22 Raven262 Hi Amaz
11:39 Megaf Greetings everybody
11:39 Megaf Hi tenplus1
11:40 tenplus1 hi Megaf :)
11:40 Megaf Hi Amaz Jordach
11:40 Megaf and you other people I just don't want to disturb
11:41 Raven262 Hi Megaf
11:41 Megaf So yesterday I installed Snow Leopard in VBox running on High Sierra
11:41 Megaf I think this is nice :P
11:41 Megaf Raven262: tenplus1: I got a dedicated server!!
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11:42 Raven262 Thats nice, Megaf.
11:46 tenplus1 nice one dude :) what ya running ?
11:47 Raven262 Also, are you gonna host a MT server? I would like to check out the mods and to play a while on a new server.
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11:48 Megaf tenplus1: That's a test for now, it 's a 4 threads Atom (I know...) at 1,8 GHz, but! 2 TB for storage and 4 GB of RAM!
11:49 Megaf Raven262: this will be almost entirerly dedicated for Minetest server yes
11:49 tenplus1 not bad ;D
11:49 Raven262 :D
11:49 Megaf Though the priority is getting my server back on line running on this dedicated
11:57 tenplus1 what Os you got ?
11:59 Megaf Debian 9.3 Stretch
12:02 tenplus1 ah so nice n lite :) more resources for mt server
12:10 Megaf yep
12:25 Megaf Now, I'd like to encrypt the whole disk in my dedicated
12:25 Megaf but how will I enter the password there at boot time!?
12:25 tenplus1 wont that slow everything down
12:26 Megaf tenplus1: Some encryption stuff can be done by the CPU
12:26 Megaf at least AMDs do that in hardware
12:26 tenplus1 nice
12:27 Megaf well, don't think the Atom can
12:27 Megaf tenplus1: anyway. The performance inpact is not that great no
12:28 red-001 hey the famous sane person is back with PMs
12:28 tenplus1 hi red :P
12:28 Megaf I wasn't PMed
12:28 Megaf He never remembers me
12:30 red-001 he got his account back it seems
12:30 red-001 since some people seem to think thats all he wanted
12:30 tenplus1 ?
12:30 Megaf back where red-001?
12:30 Megaf Freenode or Forum
12:30 red-001 on freenode
12:31 Megaf [12:31:06] [NickServ] Last seen  : Dec 11 09:27:26 2017 (3h 3m 40s ago)
12:31 Megaf indeed he is back
12:32 Megaf oh boy, I'm almost 12 years old here in Freenode
12:32 Megaf [12:31:33] [NickServ] Registered : Feb 12 16:53:46 2006 (11y 43w 3d ago)
12:33 red-001 huh why is shadow bot banned here?
12:35 tenplus1 it is ?
12:40 Megaf red-001: because it doesn't function properly and it was abandoned by it's creator
12:40 Megaf and since we can't control it we had to ban it
12:40 tenplus1 ohh
12:40 Megaf (My theory)
12:41 Megaf (and it was replaced by MinetestBot)
12:41 Raven262 On the other hand, the bot might have committed a treason or something against the devs.
12:41 Raven262 And nobody was ever told about it.
12:42 red-001 for the people that said he will backdown once he gets his nick back, I'm seeing a whole lot of nothing
12:44 Shara People?
12:45 Shara Only know of one who thought that
12:45 Raven262 Hi Shara
12:45 Shara Hi :)
12:45 red-001 well then we must be thinking of the same person
12:56 Megaf Morning Shara
12:57 Megaf Shara: tenplus1: cold today uh?
12:58 tenplus1 very...  frost has settled and -8c
12:59 Raven262 Any snow there, ten?
12:59 tenplus1 not yet, but you never know :) still time
12:59 Megaf This night was -4C here
12:59 Megaf no snow either
12:59 Megaf it's 3C right now
13:00 Raven262 Snow fell about a week ago here, the temperatures didn't let it melt yet
13:00 Raven262 It really felt nice to see the snow, its been a while here. Last year there was almost no snow at all.
13:01 tenplus1 snow can be nice, yes... it's the aftermath of black snow that's the pain
13:02 Raven262 Black snow?
13:02 Megaf Things we get in Ireland, Wales and Scotland
13:02 tenplus1 yeah, once they grit/salt the roads it melts into black ice/snow and cars go sliding everywhere
13:02 Raven262 Ah
13:03 Raven262 I know what you mean
13:03 Megaf celtic stuff xP
13:03 Megaf Why bother going in a straight line when you can go sideways?
13:04 tenplus1 lol
13:04 Raven262 Or why bother following the road
13:04 Megaf precisely
13:05 Megaf Milk contains both whey and casein and is rich in the amino acid glutamine. Organic milk has about 70% more omega-3 fatty acids than conventional milk.[2]
13:05 Megaf insert " " ^
13:05 Megaf I need to find organic milk
13:06 Megaf 70% more omega 3 than normal milk!?
13:06 Raven262 And organic milk tastes way better.
13:06 Megaf Never tried
13:06 Megaf Though milk in Ireland is pretty good and pure AFAIK
13:08 Raven262 A minetest question: which axis is n/s and which one is w/e?
13:10 Raven262 Hope its x for n/s and z for w/e
13:12 Megaf Raven262: what are the axis we have?
13:12 Megaf Y X and Z?
13:12 Raven262 Yes
13:12 Raven262 X/Z for horizontal and Y for vertical
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13:16 Megaf Makes sense
13:16 Megaf Hi CBugDCoder
13:17 Megaf How are you today? Hows the weather?
13:20 CBugDCoder finally nickserv is having soo much lag it took 4 mins to proscess my pswd XD
13:21 Megaf CBugDCoder: so, I heard there was some snow fall in your place last week
13:21 Megaf [13:21:38] -*- Megaf sending CTCP-PING request to nickserv
13:21 Megaf [13:21:38] * Received CTCP-PING answer from NickServ with 279 milliseconds round trip time
13:21 Megaf Not too bad
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13:22 CBugDCoder hmm i guess it just doesnt like me XD
13:22 Megaf maybe nickserv had to go to toilet or something
13:22 CBugDCoder XD maybe
13:23 Mr_Pardison that or it just crapped out on ya
13:24 Megaf I'm sure nickserv was just busy doing something else and it got back at you as soon as it could.
13:24 Megaf That's 4 minutes
13:26 Megaf Well, I gotta go, cya folks
13:27 Mr_Pardison cya
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13:29 IhrFussel How heavy is a vector.distance() check every 5 secs for all connected players?
13:30 IhrFussel I'm guessing it could just add a few ms
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13:34 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic
13:34 tenplus1 hi fussel
13:35 Aerozoic wazup tenplus1
13:35 Mr_Pardison morning tenplus1
13:35 tenplus1 adding build battle arena to xanadu, figuring it all out >?!>!?!?!
13:38 CBugDCoder hi ten
13:38 tenplus1 hi cb
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13:38 IhrFussel Hello there tenplus1 and the others
13:38 tenplus1 o/
13:38 Mr_Pardison \o IhrFussel
13:38 CBugDCoder hi IhrFussel
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13:44 tenplus1 hi sniper
13:51 IhrFussel vector.distance() is extremely fast it seems... I just copied the math.hypot() and vector.distance() functions into a new lua file and timed it with the time command ... 50 calculations take 5ms, 500 take 15ms
13:51 tenplus1 nice
13:53 IhrFussel So since my server would never have more than 40 concurrent players I can safely say the check every 5 secs takes less than 10ms which is totally fine
14:42 shivajiva IhrFussel: fixed your issue but you might not think the solution works as you wanted
14:45 shivajiva it does allow the admin account a greater scope for testing though
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14:52 tenplus1 hi fixer
15:10 IhrFussel shivajiva, I didn't really see it as something bad to begin with... I was more surprised that I could suddenly lose many privs which didn't work before... I agree that it's good for testing to be able to revoke almost any priv from the server owner
15:12 shivajiva yea it just retains privs priv now so you can grant after testing
15:12 IhrFussel Umm you cannot use drop as flag inside register_node() right? I am looking at a mod which tries to do that and it doesn't seem to work
15:13 Fixer hi
15:14 IhrFussel The modder tried "drop = {    max_items = 1, min_items = 1, items = { {items = {'default:bookshelf'},   rarity = 90,},}," inside register_node()
15:16 Amaz IhrFussel: that should work... https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game‚Äč/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L631
15:16 shivajiva hmm I did something similar with presents
15:18 IhrFussel shivajiva, it is a present node from christmas_craft but I dug a present and nothing happened...maybe I need to open more of them?
15:18 shivajiva but they never worked quite right, same issue you just described, yea break more :)
15:18 shivajiva they do yield
15:19 shivajiva let me check what params I settled with
15:19 tenplus1 what you trying to do shiva ?
15:19 IhrFussel I see now... but I will remove that feature cause I already have lucky blocks and that would be too much
15:20 shivajiva set the drops for a node on register_node to be random from a list
15:21 tenplus1 you gotta add every single item you wanna drop with a high chance
15:21 IhrFussel The chance to get an item seems to be quite low...I had to open 10 presents to even receive something...that's not fun
15:21 tenplus1 and the very last item on the list is rarity = 1 for default
15:21 shivajiva tenplus will know all about this :)
15:21 tenplus1 I tried it all before for lucky blocks... eheh
15:23 IhrFussel tenplus1, rarity 1 means "will always drop"?
15:23 tenplus1 drop = { max_items = 1, items = { {items = {"super_rare_item"}, rarity = 50}, {items = {"med_rare_item"}, rarity = 25}, {items = {"default_item"}} } },
15:23 tenplus1 yes
15:24 IhrFussel Is it the same calculation aschance in ABMs?
15:24 tenplus1 yeah
15:25 tenplus1 so the drop list has super rare items 1st with high change, medium rare with med chance and last is the fallback item that always drops if nothing has before it :)
15:26 tenplus1 only works with static list tho... for random items you can ADD to I had to use an on_destruct function to randomly do stuff
15:27 IhrFussel tenplus1, I don't follow... will MT always look at the first item in the list? And if the chance doesn't match go to 2nd, 3rd etc?
15:27 tenplus1 yup
15:28 tenplus1 it'll go through list for all dropped items until it drops 1
15:28 tenplus1 that's why high chance will go first with low chance at end
15:29 tenplus1 if the max_items wasnt at the beginning it would go through them all and drop whatever it could
15:33 tenplus1 I like the idea of the gift boxes :) and a specific list of items it can drop for players :D
15:34 Mr_Pardison take it a step further and can make creative ones personalize-able.
15:34 Mr_Pardison if u can.
15:34 Mr_Pardison g2g will brb (changing classes)
15:34 tenplus1 :p
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15:39 Raven262 I just had this idea to make the stonebrick dungeon walls less boring. This is what i got: https://i.imgur.com/5UtQn6H.png
15:40 Raven262 That and a few more lines of code, one more if loop and possibly more lag.
15:40 tenplus1 interesting though
15:41 Mr_Pardison looks... interesting.
15:41 Raven262 It looks much better inside the amber root system, but I didn't finish the whole thing yet. These are just the walls.
15:42 Raven262 I also thought the result was very interesting, considering that its made out of 3 node types :P
16:06 Sokomine there are so many sheep and cows of mobs_redo running around on many mt servers. yet they never lie down and re-eat their food as real animals would do. are there any blender experts available who could add such animations to the models? it just seems so very odd if they run around all the time
16:07 tenplus1 +1 for "stand" animations that have them laying down
16:07 jas_ and die animations
16:07 tenplus1 we already have those jas
16:07 jas_ you do?  for the cow and sheep?
16:07 jas_ they poof for me.
16:07 tenplus1 we have die animation in api, it's up to model makers to add the animations :D
16:07 jas_ no yeah see i knew that already
16:07 tenplus1 mc_mobs has die anims in some
16:07 jas_ and so when sokomine said blender model...
16:08 jas_ i added that die animations would be a helpful addition
16:08 jas_ see?
16:08 jas_ (something something cme)
16:08 Sokomine jas_: no, no die animations for those poor animals. they ought to stay alive :-) (unless killed by predators. wolfs may hunt joung sheep)
16:08 tenplus1 if I were any good on blender I could add them, but alas I suck
16:09 jas_ if one added a laying down animation, that would work as well as it does for the player i suspect.
16:09 jas_ in cme the mobs models have die animations, and turn a red color it's pretty sweet.
16:09 jas_ i do too wish the mobs_redo models had those, but i suck at blender too ten
16:09 jas_ : )
16:09 Sokomine jas_: hmm. i'd love to have that laying animation also move the mouth of the animal. those plant eaters need a lot of time to chew their food
16:10 tenplus1 I had red overlay on mobs redo api but depending on the actual texture used this caused lag re-colouring it
16:10 jas_ mm ye good
16:10 tenplus1 many different animations could easily be added if you had the blender skills :D
16:10 * Mr_Pardison has no xp w/ blender and should start working with that if he wants to make any node textures
16:10 Sokomine yes. we need to catch a few people who have those skills :-)
16:10 benrob0329 tenplus1: that probably means its too high of a resolution :P
16:10 tenplus1 exactly ben, also h
16:10 tenplus1 *hi
16:11 benrob0329 Hello
16:11 tenplus1 so I removed the red re-colour for speed
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16:11 benrob0329 I would help, but living things are not my specialty
16:11 benrob0329 Yet, I should probably work on it
16:12 tenplus1 nssm mobs are well animated :)
16:12 tenplus1 d00med did an amazing job with those...  there's another blender genius
16:12 benrob0329 Never played with nssm actually
16:13 benrob0329 Should go do that sometime today
16:13 jas_ i still <3 mobs_redo the most, got the most stuff and still manages to surprise/scare me sometimes in-game.
16:13 jas_ (next i'm gonna attach a sound to the DM fireball muaha)
16:13 tenplus1 if more animations are added to the models then the api can easily be changed to include these when mobs eat, stop, sit, sleep etc
16:13 jas_ because right now you canno thear it coming
16:14 Mr_Pardison oh boy.
16:14 tenplus1 we already have shoot sounds for arrows/fireballs
16:14 Mr_Pardison deadly stuff.
16:14 jas_ i saw you had the death animation in the api, was interested.  also what's cmi?
16:14 jas_ but it's a one-shot, ten
16:14 jas_ i'm going to add a sound that travels in position with the fireball ent
16:14 Mr_Pardison it would be nice to hear them isntead of them just sneaking up on you.
16:14 Mr_Pardison *instead
16:14 jas_ with minetest.sound_play("sound", {object = fireball})
16:14 tenplus1 cmi is a sort of compatibility layer the author was trying to put in ALL mobs mods, so it can be used for 3rd party mods
16:14 tenplus1 sounds = { shoot = "shoot_sound" }
16:15 jas_ i think both can co-exist?
16:15 jas_ i'll experiment and see
16:15 tenplus1 lol
16:15 jas_ i made some modifications to mobs_redo
16:15 jas_ plus i'm testing pathfinder by markubu
16:15 jas_ nice mod, but intensive.
16:15 tenplus1 yeah, pathfinding needs much love...   line_of_sight has been improved in 0.5.0 so it'll help a lot
16:16 jas_ ye saw that, it's good
16:17 jas_ so what do you think about attaching a repeating sound to the fireball entity while it travels?
16:17 Mr_Pardison anybody know if someone is working on a ranged attack mod? one where you can launch an attack on a player that is x amount of nodes from you.
16:17 jas_ i'm just going to add it to that one instance for the DM, but maybe it could go into the arrow registry
16:17 jas_ dunno about anything other than shooter/projectile mods.
16:17 tenplus1 that already exists Mr_Pardison
16:17 jas_ but doing hitscan that way Mr_Pardison sounds good
16:18 Mr_Pardison o rly?
16:18 jas_ just do all calculations in lua and then deal damage
16:18 tenplus1 set view_range and reach to a specific number and have attack set to "shoot"
16:18 tenplus1 it's all in the settings... :) that's why the api.txt exists to show them all
16:18 jas_ player1 selects (places in crosshair and triggers) player2, calculate distance and line of sight and odds
16:18 jas_ wind velocity
16:18 jas_ then deal damage, that's a good idea.  i still wanna take the egg in mobs_redo and turn it into a spear tool item with wear
16:19 jas_ mobs_redo needs a fishing pole
16:19 jas_ (because i need to add one, and it would save me time LOL!)
16:19 jas_ i tried the other fishing mods but i dunno
16:21 tenplus1 lol, ethereal has a simple fishing rod added
16:21 tenplus1 fishing.lua holds all the code
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16:21 tenplus1 hey robbie
16:21 Mr_Pardison ethereal has a wooden and a steel one (regular and pro-fishing rod are the names of the nodes, respectively)
16:22 RobbieF Hi tenplus
16:22 RobbieF how are ya
16:22 jas_ i always thought ethereal was just mapgen
16:22 Shara Mr P, pro rod is frm CRL.
16:22 Shara CRL was designed to work with ethereal
16:22 tenplus1 good thx  you /
16:23 tenplus1 hi shara
16:23 Shara Hi Ten
16:23 Mr_Pardison forgot that.
16:24 tenplus1 RobbieF: added Spleef! and Build-Battle arena to Xanadu... working on latter tho
16:24 RobbieF doing great thanks tenplus1
16:24 RobbieF Oooh nice
16:26 tenplus1 what's new in the Pixel Shadow dude ?
16:27 RobbieF Well, our 4K cameras arrive tomorrow, and our new intro is nearly ready.
16:27 RobbieF new season will be kicking off early new year
16:28 tenplus1 sweet, eager to see
16:28 RobbieF me too  :p
16:28 RobbieF just in the process of upgrading the streaming servers.
16:28 RobbieF preparing for livecasts as well
16:28 tenplus1 busy busy
16:28 RobbieF oh yeah, always.
16:29 Mr_Pardison non-stop seems a more apt description.
16:30 tenplus1 lol
16:32 RobbieF Can't wait for next season... should be fun.
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16:35 jas_ https://twitch.tv/jastvn ten i made the dm explode when it dies, and when it hits players/mobs.
16:35 tenplus1 heh, nice :)
16:35 tenplus1 super lethal :D
16:36 jas_ i hear the sound when it launches
16:36 jas_ i'm going to see if it loops okay, and then attach it to the object
16:36 tenplus1 sound has a range setting so you can only hear it at a certain distance or under
16:37 jas_ ye but he walks around more chance to not fire, i think, so but yeah super lethal
16:37 tenplus1 change attack mode to "shoot" only instead of "dogshoot" which has him walking also during attack
16:38 Mr_Pardison that would have the DM standing still when shooting, right?
16:38 jas_ he stands still while shooting now afact
16:38 tenplus1 yes, if player is in view_range then it'll fire at them...  otherwise it'll walk around
16:38 jas_ a fact. lol ... but that sounds interesting ten
16:39 jas_ didn't know about the mode thx
16:39 tenplus1 "dogshoot" has mixed attacks, melee and shooting
16:39 jas_ well that is what i like anyway.  but i'll likely experiment.  right now gonna play with the sound a bit.
16:39 tenplus1 ooh, how about a fireball mob, dm shoots at player and on HIT_NODE it transforms into mob that has "explode" attack when near player :D
16:40 jas_ https://github.com/jasteven‚Äčson303/mobs_redo/tree/dcbl if you're curious ten, i can make a pr if the fireball sound is good and you like it
16:40 shivajiva ten how do i find the spleef arena?
16:40 tenplus1 thx dude, will check it out
16:40 tenplus1 shiva, at spawn look for red LB logo, behind it is the pad to lucky block arena 2, spleef arena and builb battle arena
16:43 shivajiva ty
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16:43 tenplus1 wb Aerozoic
16:46 benrob0329 tenplus1: decided to give AwesomeWM another go, since I'm getting into Lua more
16:46 benrob0329 (the book should be arriving today :D)
16:46 benrob0329 the config isn't bad once you fix the formatting :P
16:47 tenplus1 heh, looks awesome and very configurable ;) will give it another go someday but for now LXDE is my simple go-to
16:48 benrob0329 writing widgets is kinda fun, you get to design ascii charging animations :P
16:49 benrob0329 or in my case, FontAwesome
16:49 tenplus1 lol
16:49 benrob0329 string:match() is awesome for parsing commands
16:50 benrob0329 question, does minetest restrict io.popen() to trusted mods only?
16:50 benrob0329 because if it doesnt that's a security concern
16:50 shivajiva seems popular tenplus ;)
16:50 tenplus1 I think it does
16:51 shivajiva ^
16:52 CWz hello, everyone.
16:52 tenplus1 hi CWz
16:52 Mr_Pardison hello, CWz
16:52 benrob0329 tenplus1: does mobs_redo need to be named mobs, or will it work with/without _redo?
16:52 shivajiva io itself should require trusted, hiya CWz
16:53 tenplus1 folder can be any name you want/// the .conf names it mobs:
16:53 benrob0329 oh, thats handy
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16:56 tenplus1 hi thomas
16:56 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1
17:04 benrob0329 well, nssm crashed
17:04 benrob0329 and it has a naked mermaid thing, soo yeah
17:08 tenplus1 naked mermaid ? wut
17:08 IhrFussel nssm - Not So Safe for Minors
17:09 tenplus1 d00med must be adding new mobs
17:09 IhrFussel xD
17:09 * Mr_Pardison isn't even going to ask
17:09 tenplus1 what was crash message ?
17:10 IhrFussel Would an adult server even be allowed on the list? With stuff that has 18+ content?
17:10 benrob0329 tenplus1: set_animation failed
17:11 benrob0329 IhrFussel: if you want a LOT of controversy, sure
17:11 benrob0329 MT is used in schools and by little kids
17:11 tenplus1 no way to limit 18+ servers unless you vet players which is hard
17:12 IhrFussel The devs should probably create some ToS for the server list
17:13 IhrFussel I don't think a 18+ server should be accepted/tolerated if there's no way to restrict players connecting
17:13 tenplus1 and if one is created then it should be private (not on list)
17:13 IhrFussel I mean no age verification
17:13 Calinou I'm surprised I haven't seen a server with NSFW paintings at spawn or something
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17:14 IhrFussel I saw quite a few penises on my map already
17:14 red-001 Mr_Pardison, bad connection?
17:14 Calinou meh, built penises rarely have a big shock factor
17:14 tenplus1 hahaha, yeah me too... had to remove those on report
17:14 Calinou NSFW paintings are different because 1) the server admin adds them, 2) players cannot do anything about them
17:14 Mr_Pardison red-001: no. switching classes.
17:14 IhrFussel Someone made a statue of me (don't ask me why) and someone else added a penis
17:15 tenplus1 lolol
17:15 red-001 I think the don't ask why is in the wrong place
17:15 Mr_Pardison shows the level of maturity that someone has.
17:16 IhrFussel red-001, I have no clue why players build statues about the server owner ... is it simply honoring the person? Or do they think they can increase chances to get a higher rank that way?
17:17 tenplus1 ahh, sucking up
17:17 red-001 I think it's just honouring
17:17 Fixer checking out new firefox 57 portable with second profile, it is fast
17:17 red-001 and not having a better idea about what to build
17:17 tenplus1 57 is quite good, yes...   shame the NEW chrome/chromium about to come out uses even more memory now
17:18 IhrFussel I don't really like when people build a statue of me cause to me it looks like some sort of dictatorship... like I told them to build it cause they are my slaves... but I also don't remove those cause they were hard work
17:25 IhrFussel red-001, that reminds me of someone who originally planned to make a large lets play on youtube about my server ... and after building 1 house they cancelled the project cause "no ideas left"
17:25 tenplus1 gaes
17:25 red-001 lol
17:25 tenplus1 *gawd
17:26 IhrFussel The "lets play" got 12 parts ... 5 of them are just looking for resources
17:28 Mr_Pardison that's sad.
17:29 Shara IhrFussel: would be nice if MT had a general code of conduct for what is or isn't acceptable in any official part of the project
17:29 Shara TI wouldn't even need to be anything long or complicated
17:30 Shara Good luck to anyone who wants to try and make it happen
17:30 tenplus1 heh
17:30 *¬†benrob0329 uploaded an image: 1513012964.png (792KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down‚Äčload/matrix.org/vRsImIXPFHJPofimUXVYmUMC>
17:31 benrob0329 tenplus1: ^^
17:31 IhrFussel I believed the person and even actively helped them with finding a quiet place so that nobody could disturb the recording ... I added a few mods the player requested ... it was a waste ... Shara I agree, server owners shouldn't be able to do whatever they want on the server list... there are some topics that aren't suited for the general public
17:31 tenplus1 ooh nice screeny benrob :)
17:31 Shara well it's not just about server owners
17:31 Shara It should cover forums, IRC and things on github
17:31 tenplus1 1326mb in use ? what else you running apart from awesome wm and minetest ?
17:32 IhrFussel The forum already has rules no?
17:32 * Shara could tell some stories about those rules :P
17:32 Sokomine but a 18+ server? in such a blocky world? seems hard to imagine. in theory you can build anything, but...er...well. architecture seldom has such problems
17:32 jas_ i got a good sound, kinda, now just gotta manage the handle.
17:32 jas_ (btw i believe sound_fade doesn't work with sound_stop)
17:33 Shara Sokomine: I have seen them on the list previously, but couldn't be bothered to connect and find out what made them 18+
17:33 IhrFussel Sokomine, I found the phrase "let's have MT sex" a few times in the PMs when I grepped for certain inappropriate words
17:33 Sokomine Shara: maybe a misunderstanding and they thought 18+ meant more than 18 players allowed simultaneously? :)
17:33 Shara No, definitely not.
17:33 Shara Descriptions made it clear
17:34 * Mr_Pardison ignores the chat on here for now
17:34 IhrFussel If kids can imagine sex by just laying down next to each other in beds...then I bet some people have a greater imagination
17:34 Sokomine IhrFussel: oh...er...perhaps they where just hungry (considering how reproduction of mobs is handled by the most popular mobs mod, confusion between reproduction and eating might easily arise...)
17:34 tenplus1 they have a tendency to roleplay bf/gf and more...
17:35 Sokomine well, i guess any form of chat may be subject to that to some degree
17:36 IhrFussel It's alarming that sometimes the very young children talk about that... I read 8/9/10 yr olds asking for xxx
17:37 Shara I'd imagine it was more about what is allowed on the server than what the server shows... but I could be wrong
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17:38 IhrFussel Well I don't forbid dating on my server BUT dating != sex and I think we can all agree here
17:38 tenplus1 exactly... as soon as things get steamy then players get banned
17:39 Mr_Pardison so, no making a steamer basket?
17:39 Mr_Pardison well, there goes the red bean buns.
17:40 IhrFussel The "dating" young kids do is more like a game... it's not serious by any means
17:41 Raven262 hehe, I do so love to ban them for that. ^
17:41 IhrFussel So I wonder how they can already think about dirty stuff before they even learned to love
17:41 tenplus1 the scarey thing is when young players and older players roleplay... that's creepy
17:42 Mr_Pardison teh internets is probably the answer.
17:42 tenplus1 I've already had to report someone to their ISP for sexual behaviour towards kids
17:43 IhrFussel I didn't have such a case yet (luckily)
17:43 shivajiva with the kids it's the media and conditioning, mixed signals
17:44 tenplus1 they are growing up too quickly with the media
17:44 shivajiva ^
17:45 Shara WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map
17:45 Shara Anyone got  aclue what that means?
17:45 tenplus1 they really gotta hide those pathfinding warnings...
17:45 tenplus1 just means it couldnt find a route
17:45 Shara tenplus1: no, whatever it is it's a problem
17:45 Shara DL has been unplayable for the past half hour or so, and the log has been spammed with that message in that time
17:46 Shara So somehow, that message seems to be the problem
17:50 Shara It seems to go away for a little while after a restart, then the server acts up and that warning is spamming the logs again
17:52 tenplus1 is it in a particular area that it starts showing messages ?
17:52 Shara No idea
17:52 Shara I can't in game right now
17:52 tenplus1 hrm, wondering what mods use pathfinding
17:53 shivajiva same
17:53 Shara And when I say spam the logs, I mean every couple of seconds
17:54 shivajiva mobs?
17:54 sofar it's unclear if that is actually the problem or not
17:54 sofar it could be a mob that is stuck
17:54 Shara I don't know what else it could be.
17:54 sofar but the pathfinder is limited
17:54 Shara I've asked players to pay attention to where they are when it happens
17:54 tenplus1 mob pathfinding is limited to view_range only
17:55 tenplus1 at most we're talking 15 blocks away
17:55 tenplus1 cost map issues should be way more than that
17:56 Shara Whatever it is is something I haven't seen before, and no recent mod changes
17:56 Shara I'm starting to think this server is cursed
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17:57 tenplus1 lemmie check mods it runs and see what else it could be
17:57 IhrFussel I have the same problem but it entirely depends on where players are/which mobs are nearby https://pastebin.com/7fB0X2xz
17:57 Shara Yup, exactly what it looks like
17:58 IhrFussel Must be Mobs Redo, I have no other mod that uses path finding..let me re-check
17:58 tenplus1 you could edit the .lua files for dirt_monster, oerkki, sand_monster and stone_monster and comment out the pathfinding lines
17:58 sofar that thing shouldn't actually write an error message
17:59 sofar it's entirely within spec that it can fail to find a path
17:59 tenplus1 it shouldnt, no... it's been happening for a while now...  pathfinding command returns path or nil, that's all you need
17:59 sofar yup
17:59 sofar I thought it was even patched
17:59 sofar we probably should patch the error out
17:59 sofar make it debug, or something
18:00 IhrFussel grep only finds one result .minetest/worlds/oldserver/world‚Äčmods/mobs/api.lua:self.path.way = minetest.find_path(s, p1, 16, 2, 6, "Dijkstra")
18:01 tenplus1 andi t's weird that its has only started appearing when mobs have been active on that server for a whlie now
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18:02 Mr-Pardison uh oh.
18:02 tenplus1 fussel, try going into api.lua for mobs redo and for line 79, make it false...   local enable_pathfinding = false
18:02 tenplus1 see if it helps
18:02 IhrFussel tenplus1, but can that warning actually cause lag?
18:03 tenplus1 displaying the error constantly can cause lag in itself, yes
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18:03 tenplus1 but the error should hav been removed by now... it isnt needed
18:03 tenplus1 wb shara, can you do this:
18:03 tenplus1 try going into api.lua for mobs redo and for line 79, make it false...   local enable_pathfinding = false
18:03 Shara Sorry, had some problems and likely missed anything that was said for a bit
18:03 IhrFussel Wouldn't that also mean the server lags more when too many players place/dig stuff?
18:04 tenplus1 if too many errors appear or text displayed then yes it can cause graphical lag
18:04 IhrFussel Are we talking about debug.txt or ingame errors?
18:05 tenplus1 anything shown on screen or console
18:05 IhrFussel Ok then...will disabling path finding have a major impact on the mobs?
18:05 * Shara reads channel logs
18:06 IhrFussel I mean regarding their behavior
18:06 tenplus1 thankfully no, any mobs that require pathfinding will revert back to following player using old means...
18:06 tenplus1 they will still chase you but are a little bit dumber :P
18:07 IhrFussel Okay I set it to false, will report how it goes after I restart in a bit
18:07 tenplus1 :)
18:08 Shara Fussel, let me know if it helps and if mobs behave okay please
18:08 tenplus1 xanadu has pathfinding enabled all the time and in use constantly and never once have I seen that error /!?! it's weird
18:08 Shara Haven't been hit by issues since last restart so will hold on a moment
18:08 tenplus1 Evil Bonny mob will even solve mazes and build/dig to reach her target
18:08 Shara She is indeed quite scary :)
18:09 tenplus1 ehehe, it's super creepy when a mob can find you no matter where you are, and even break down walls to get at ya
18:10 IhrFussel tenplus1, so with path finding disabled mobs are not able to walk around obstacles anymore?
18:11 tenplus1 they fall back to the dumb way of reaching players and can still give chase
18:11 tenplus1 but at least you'll know if this is causing error :)
18:11 tenplus1 am gonna make an issue to remove the error message tho, it's not needed
18:12 IhrFussel And if it is...could other path finding settings help? Like different search intervals?
18:12 tenplus1 if mob cant reach player within 10 seconds it tried pathfinding every 3 seconds
18:13 tenplus1 I could try changing algorythm
18:13 IhrFussel Seems to match with the warning intervals
18:15 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6771
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18:17 IhrFussel If the lag is really just caused by logging the warning and not the function itself, then the removal could already solve it
18:21 tenplus1 k, mobs redo api has been updated with pathfinding tweaked to new algorythm and changed setting
18:21 tenplus1 sand monster found me no problem in a glass maze with no errors
18:26 Sokomine guess they feel at home in a glass maze. or are angry because you turned so much of their sand into glass
18:26 tenplus1 heh... try killing one with a lava pick, it cooks their drops also :D
18:27 Sokomine i'd be happy if mobs where actually able to follow all these nice paths the pathfinder produces. sadly they get stuck easily. doors are obstacles for npc-like mobs even when opened
18:27 Sokomine poor sandguys :-)
18:27 tenplus1 the dumb follow routines can get inside doors,
18:27 Sokomine i've created the sandcity village type for them. just had no time yet to actually let some ove in
18:28 tenplus1 will check the new pathfinding changes in forum and see if I can incorporate :)  dunno how costly it'll be tho
18:28 Sokomine for me, following the path is a problem as the time when a mob needs to turn for the next part of the path can be quite critical
18:29 Sokomine no need for the sandguys to be too good at pathfinding :-)
18:29 benrob0329 could doors be ignored when calling the pathfinder?
18:29 benrob0329 and then broken down/opened when encountered?
18:29 tenplus1 0.5.0 pathfinding can supposidly ignore airlike and water... but no doors yet... that takes a manual lua check
18:30 tenplus1 but yes, pathfinding level 2 in mobs api can break the doors already
18:30 tenplus1 but only if it's not protected already
18:30 benrob0329 I feel like there should be a flag for breaking protected doors
18:31 tenplus1 normally I'd say yes, but builders would be super pissed if their protected building got destroyed in any way by mobs
18:31 benrob0329 seems like cheating if you can register to make stronger doors :D
18:31 benrob0329 use meta doors?
18:31 tenplus1 steel doors cannot be broken tho
18:32 tenplus1 any block with level 2
18:32 Sokomine benrob0329: i modified burlis pathfinder so that the pathfinder can navigate through doors. it's the actual movement of mobs through those said doors that's not always working as expected. entities can't move from a to b in mt. they accelerate/start moving - and you have to check if they're at their destination already and set them facing the next target
18:32 benrob0329 The problem I have with protection is that it's not based on anything, it takes away from the survival aspect
18:32 benrob0329 but since all nodes can be broken you can't keep yourself safe otherwise
18:32 Shara benrob0329: that's why I use protectors on my survival server even though I don't like them. At least then you need to craft the things
18:33 benrob0329 I feel like locked wood doors cant be broken by hand, and locked metal doors cant be broken by tools
18:33 Sokomine benrob0329: protection is not for survival. it's for protecting your creative work from griefers and misbehaving mobs
18:34 benrob0329 the problem is that we only have protection, we don't have conventional ways of securing a base
18:34 tenplus1 locked doors are of no use if they can break a wall to get in
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18:35 tenplus1 hi Krock
18:35 Krock hi tenplus1
18:35 benrob0329 tenplus1: the doors would have to protect the walls surrounding, or you would have to get creative
18:36 benrob0329 lava lined walls maybe
18:36 benrob0329 but I feel like you shouldnt have to do that even
18:36 tenplus1 ehehehe yeah... I've done that before
18:36 benrob0329 its not easy to get though meter thick steel irl
18:36 benrob0329 or stone
18:37 tenplus1 yeah, levels should be increased for digging those
18:37 benrob0329 wood doors can be kicked in easy enough, but a solid metal one not so much
18:38 benrob0329 maybe closed meta doors can't be mined? similarly to how you can't take a door off its hinges from the outside
18:39 benrob0329 also, what if locked chests could be picked up and taken away, but not opened
18:39 benrob0329 you'd have to hide them still :P
18:40 benrob0329 but I feel like protection has made it boring and lazy to protect stuff, securing your base is now == run some commands
18:41 benrob0329 I could make a house of straw and the big bad wolf would still be brought to its knees
18:41 tenplus1 lol
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18:55 tenplus1 hi ruben
18:55 Sokomine benrob0329: diffrent roles in gameplay. to me, all those mobs are just...decoration. a bit life. granting them the right to destroy the true gameplay (=building something) is a no-go
18:55 rubenwardy Does anyone know any Firefox extensions that are tough on cross site requests?
18:56 rubenwardy For example, I want to block and facebook CDN requests on non-facebook sites
18:56 rubenwardy already have ghosterly
18:56 Sokomine rubenwardy: requestpolicy is quite useful
18:56 Shara requestpolicy it brutal, but does the job :)
18:56 rubenwardy sounds good
18:56 rubenwardy I used noscript for a while
18:57 Sokomine noscript has a diffrent purpose. both are needed for diffrent goals. you might also want to take a look at umatrix (not ublock)
18:58 rubenwardy yeah, noscript was just too inconvenient
18:58 rubenwardy thanks
19:00 Sokomine too inconvenient? it's needed. without it you won't have javascript at all. there might be some valid reasons for enabling it occasionally
19:00 rubenwardy without it you always have javascript :P
19:00 Sokomine er, no. unless you don't care about anything :-)
19:01 * benrob0329 switches to konsole, st was being slow..for some reason
19:02 benrob0329 I dont understand why a terminal starts being slow, but whatever it is I'm not having it
19:03 * tenplus1 limits terminal output to 150 lines
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19:10 Megaf Back from job interview and Linux lecture
19:11 tenplus1 how was it ?
19:12 Megaf So about the job the guy wants to get me hired, tomorrow he is meating with people in the company. We'll see
19:13 Megaf The Linux lecture was nice but a little furstrating, I wanted to talk abot so much stuff but didnt have too much time
19:13 Megaf So a second lecture is coming next year :)
19:14 tenplus1 hope it goes well
19:14 Megaf So do I
19:14 Megaf it's a job for tech support and network infracstrucure management
19:15 * Mr-Pardison doesn't believe in luck
19:15 Mr-Pardison so, I shall wish you good prospects in your future endeavors.
19:15 Megaf I apreciate that
19:16 Megaf Some people believe in God...
19:16 * Megaf raises his hand
19:16 Mr-Pardison yes, Megaf?
19:16 Megaf So I do my best in the interviews, show my tech skills and will for challenges and learn
19:16 benrob0329 I believe in neither luck nor coincidence
19:17 Megaf And also pray so I can have this oportunity
19:17 Megaf benrob0329: today was a day full of nice coincidences
19:17 Mr-Pardison I believe that there is purely skill. and sometimes in a game there is just random chance.
19:18 benrob0329 Nothing is ever truly random ;-)
19:18 Megaf benrob0329: what do you believe in?
19:18 Megaf [19:18:01] <benrob0329> Nothing is ever truly random ;-)
19:18 Megaf That's actually not wrong
19:18 Megaf there is a formula that predicts everything
19:18 Megaf including the movements of electroncs
19:18 Megaf we just didnt find it
19:18 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5RFgd59ao
19:19 Megaf hopefully never will
19:19 Megaf !title
19:19 MinetestBot Megaf: The 'Everything' Formula - Numberphile - YouTube
19:19 Megaf Jordach: precisely
19:20 Krock the formula that can plot itself
19:20 benrob0329 Megaf: something between Judaism and Christianity, but thats a very generalized definition
19:20 Megaf hm
19:20 Megaf I believe in the God that is 3 Gods and one at the same time.
19:20 Megaf The Trinity
19:21 tenplus1 the universe is made up of waves, and if we can plot where all waves come from then we can reveal the past
19:21 Jordach so it's all mexican waves all the way down?
19:21 Megaf tenplus1: waves = energy = matter
19:21 tenplus1 yup
19:21 Megaf matter = possible to predict
19:21 tenplus1 and free tacos at the end
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19:25 tenplus1 wb Mr_Pardison
19:26 Mr_Pardison ty tenplus1
19:40 Megaf I think Imma gonna makah akofee and go to bed
19:40 tenplus1 mmm nice :) enjoy
19:40 Mr_Pardison I would hope that it would be decaf.
19:40 benrob0329 They do nasty things to decaf
19:41 tenplus1 nah, decaf isnt that great :P
19:41 tenplus1 stick with the good stuff
19:41 benrob0329 Or be like me and drink water :P
19:41 Mr_Pardison the good stuff == hot chocolate (Mexican version made with actual chocolate)
19:41 tenplus1 am doing that too ben :P
19:41 Megaf I will make with normal coffee
19:41 Mr_Pardison water is my go-to when I don't have hot cocoa around or it's not winter.
19:41 Megaf brb, gonna brew some coffee
19:42 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: that just homemade
19:42 benrob0329 I make mine from cocoa :D
19:42 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: I'm going to try some of that since I was at the store yesterday and got some to compare it to the powdered stuff.
19:42 tenplus1 ya know, that's a good idea... gonna make hot choccy :)
19:43 tenplus1 brb
19:44 Mr_Pardison seems I started a trend.
19:44 Mr_Pardison interesting.
19:44 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: cocoa, sweetener (honey or sugar), vanilla, and milk (dairy or nondairy)
19:45 Mr_Pardison no sweetener (although honey is good in tea if paired with the right brew). vanilla, maybe. milk, always the best thing to make it with.
19:46 benrob0329 Vanilla makes the cocoa :P
19:46 tenplus1 ? I only use choccy powder and water... nothing else
19:46 Mr_Pardison what I want is for the chocolate flavor to be the main thing and vanilla to be an accent note. dairy to provide the body.
19:47 benrob0329 Hot cocoa mix is..interesting
19:47 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: u know u can make the powdered stuff with milk instead of water, right? It tastes better that way.
19:47 * tenplus1 prefers water :)
19:47 tenplus1 dont want it too sweet
19:48 Mr_Pardison if made in one of those coffee brewer things, then it comes out watery.
19:48 benrob0329 Still doesnt taste that great though
19:48 tenplus1 *sip*  tastes good to me :D ehehehe
19:49 Mr_Pardison I made sugar cookies yesterday in the shape of gingerbread men.
19:49 tenplus1 nice :P not had cookies in a while :D
19:49 Mr_Pardison one batch of 8 got a tan (left 'em in the oven a bit longer so they got a golden color to them)
19:49 Mr_Pardison still need to decorate them.
19:50 Mr_Pardison going to hang them on the Christmas tree.
19:50 tenplus1 do you sugar glaze them to protect it ?
19:50 Mr_Pardison Artificial one (set of 3, one for each of us) but I would have preferred an actual tree.
19:51 Mr_Pardison Well, I was just going to put a border around it then just flood it and let that solidify.
19:51 Mr_Pardison idk if my mom has other plans.
19:51 * tenplus1 steals cookies
19:51 Mr_Pardison If you had asked, I would have gladly shared them.
19:51 benrob0329 Why steal, when you could make then fresh :-P
19:51 tenplus1 eheheheheh
19:51 Mr_Pardison but stealing them is not a wise idea as I hunt those who are thieves.
19:52 * tenplus1 borrows them instead
19:52 tenplus1 :P
19:52 Mr_Pardison I'll let this one slide since I have some extra dough in the freezer.
19:52 tenplus1 :) havent had a proper gingerbread cookie/man in a long time, they dont put as much ginger in them anymore
19:53 Mr_Pardison Make the dough urself.
19:53 Mr_Pardison way better that way.
19:53 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: best be prepared to ship them overseas then :D
19:55 * Mr_Pardison goes back to working on HTML stuff for class
19:55 tenplus1 hrm, I have cinnamon powder on server, shoudl really add ginger for the cookies
19:56 benrob0329 With a slight chance they mutate in the oven
19:56 tenplus1 and turn into cookie monsters to pillage santa town
19:57 Mr_Pardison oh noes!
19:57 Mr_Pardison not the village!
19:57 Mr_Pardison https://santatracker.google.com/village.html
19:57 benrob0329 Oh ūüĎÉ
19:57 * Mr_Pardison whacks his head against the table
19:57 tenplus1 heh
19:59 * Sokomine sees this as a chance to steal some cookies from Mr_Pardison without him noticing
19:59 IhrFussel It's 20:59 here now, last warning entry was 2017-12-11 19:17:04: WARNING[Server]: Pathfinder: failed to update cost map ... so it seems to have fixed it
19:59 Mr_Pardison this about DL's issue or was that fixeD?
19:59 tenplus1 did you disable pathfinding or update to new api I uploaded ?
20:00 benrob0329 Why is it that when we're kids, learning has to be disguised as fun. But when you are an adult, fun has to be disguised as learning?
20:00 IhrFussel I set path finding to false
20:00 tenplus1 ah okie :)
20:00 IhrFussel Will look at the new algorithm now
20:01 benrob0329 tenplus1: I might work on making the TARDIS open one of these days
20:01 benrob0329 Wish we had render to texture
20:01 tenplus1 learning is fun :) depending what it is and how it's presented
20:03 benrob0329 Can you make a light source directional?
20:03 Mr_Pardison a flashlight works for that.
20:03 tenplus1 no, not without lua interversion or blocks cutting out light
20:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSv17iE_4Q
20:04 benrob0329 tenplus1: what do you mean by lua interversion?
20:05 benrob0329 Also, do meshes block light?
20:06 tenplus1 if you place a torch node pointing in a specific direction then you could place airlike light blocks in that direction
20:11 Megaf Nothing like a ping of fresh latte
20:11 Megaf made with freslhy brewed coffee and organic whole milk
20:11 Mr_Pardison oh.
20:11 tenplus1 sounds good :)
20:11 Mr_Pardison ur one of those farm fresh organic yuppies.
20:11 Megaf without sugar or anything )
20:11 Megaf :)
20:12 * tenplus1 has 3 coffee's a day, morning, afternoon, just before bed :D
20:12 Megaf Mr_Pardison: nope, first time trying organic milk
20:12 Megaf It actually tastes better, Im amazed
20:12 Mr_Pardison If I'm going to buy something, I want to find something that is a good value.
20:12 Megaf Mr_Pardison: do you have a server?
20:13 * tenplus1 has hemp milk :) mmmm
20:13 Megaf minetest that is
20:13 Mr_Pardison Megaf: nope.
20:13 Megaf Mr_Pardison: you make mods?
20:13 Mr_Pardison I help out with stuff on RC and DL.
20:14 Megaf cool
20:14 Megaf Shara: congrats on your team
20:14 Mr_Pardison I have one in the works (it's in the initial stages of being planned)
20:14 Megaf nah
20:14 Megaf don't do it
20:14 Megaf just join my server when it's back
20:14 Megaf If you pass the tests...
20:14 Mr_Pardison I took on the challenge of making one because of the limitation of swords.
20:15 Mr_Pardison I had to put it to the side b/c of school.
20:15 * Megaf watching https://youtu.be/h0HvBh25yZ8
20:15 Megaf man, shes gorgeous
20:15 Mr_Pardison and a broken laptop (windows 10, refuses to boot)
20:15 tenplus1 install Xubuntu on it
20:15 * Megaf find inteligent women gorgeous
20:16 Raven262 finds*
20:16 Raven262 ^
20:16 Raven262 Oh and two l's too
20:16 Shara Megaf: I know how to pick good teams ;)
20:16 Shara Mr P is a very good moderator.
20:17 Mr_Pardison I try and be fair and always verify any info that I get.
20:17 Shara Just need to get him into mod writing next
20:17 Mr_Pardison Get school done with first then I can focus on writing that.
20:17 Raven262 So many servers with good admins and mods, and there is me, an admin on a completely abandoned server.
20:17 Shara I have two people working on textures now, just need someone for models, someone for sounds, and then soemone to code... so I can lean back and watch :P
20:18 Mr_Pardison be overwatch and supervise
20:18 tenplus1 lol
20:18 * Shara finally has the shadow_lands textures
20:18 Raven262 Sounds dark.
20:18 Shara Extremely.
20:19 Mr_Pardison And I now have a mine shaft that reaches down to -100 nodes.
20:19 Shara The sun goes out while you're there.
20:19 * tenplus1 hacks things together :D
20:19 Mr_Pardison darker than pitch?
20:19 Shara Mr P, lighting goes down to zero, which is lower than n ight time, so yes
20:19 * Mr_Pardison packs a trolley full of glostones
20:19 Shara I don't actually suspect any servers will use this when I release it, but it's too much fun not to make
20:19 benrob0329 In the land of shadows, there is nothing to cast then
20:20 benrob0329 *them
20:20 benrob0329 A darkness you can't see
20:21 Raven262 Things hidden in the darkness are usually much easier to notice than those hidden in plain sight.
20:21 tenplus1 Yogscast did a series called "to the core" where they hit a certain level underground where the darkness hurt the player :) was pretty kewl... I liek the idea
20:21 benrob0329 Whats that mod
20:21 Shara I did wonder if I could tie this into bewarethedark and add damage to it, but that might be overkill
20:21 benrob0329 Beware the dark?
20:21 Shara bewarethedark is what I use on DL
20:22 benrob0329 I got the name right
20:22 benrob0329 Yay
20:22 Mr_Pardison well, on to harvesting stuff!
20:22 Shara Mr_Pardison: https://github.com/Ezhh/bewarethedark
20:22 Shara That's my fork of it anyway.
20:22 tenplus1 :))
20:22 Shara Should clean it up more
20:23 Shara Ten helped with it :)
20:23 tenplus1 I was gonna add to xanadu at one point...but darklands has it's own theme I dont wanna encroach on
20:23 Shara Hehe
20:23 Shara They do hav e alot inf common
20:23 Shara have  alot in*
20:23 Mr-Pardison speed typing!
20:23 Shara Yuch, I can't type
20:23 Mr-Pardison always fun to see.
20:24 Raven262 That mod would turn my underground town into a graveyard on xanadu.
20:24 Shara I'm surprised how many people build underground in spite of it.
20:24 Mr-Pardison I'm going to make an underground storage cavern since my house is a bit cluttered ATM.
20:25 tenplus1 was thinking of anything below -1000 would hurt player when in darkness...
20:25 tenplus1 am awaiting mapgen layering (looks at paramat)
20:25 Shara tenplus1: stop being mean to Xanadu
20:25 tenplus1 ehehe, that reminds me, gotta add more bad lucky blocks :)
20:25 Shara Yes, you should :P
20:26 tenplus1 have an idea for one... projectile vomiting where all your inventory items spew in teh direction you are looking
20:26 * Megaf wants to take over Xanadu and RC, transform them into paralel dimensions and interconnect them with Megaf Server
20:26 * Megaf is dreaming to high
20:26 Mr-Pardison that would be interesting.
20:26 Raven262 tenplus1, nice one.
20:26 Mr-Pardison but I would say no.
20:26 Shara Hehehe
20:27 tenplus1 I need more bad lucky blocks though, so any ideas are welcome :) we currently have 292 on the list
20:27 Raven262 How about a block that, when placed, teleports the user to a height of 50 nodes above the placement point?
20:27 * Mr-Pardison would just open them on a boat in the event that they are an explosive one
20:27 tenplus1 we have a random teleport block :D
20:27 * Shara was actually just about to suggest a freefall node
20:27 Shara tenplus1: It always seems to put you underground though
20:27 Shara This would make you go splat
20:27 tenplus1 +/- 50 up/down and 100 in all otehr directions :d
20:27 Shara Or give you just enough time to type /home if you are quick
20:28 Raven262 And make it have all the attributes of wooden planks
20:28 benrob0329 A noclip falling bad lucky block
20:28 benrob0329 You fall through the world :D
20:29 Raven262 And a block that depletes user's hunger bar?
20:29 Raven262 Or the one that lowers the hp to 1
20:29 tenplus1 the dry bush attack is always fun and annoys the hell outta players :D
20:29 Raven262 Whats that?
20:29 tenplus1 ooh good idea raven :)
20:29 Raven262 :D
20:29 Raven262 Gotta think of more
20:29 tenplus1 dry bush attack drops ALL of your items and replaces each slot with a single dry bush
20:29 Raven262 Oh i love the idea
20:29 Shara ouch
20:29 Shara That is evil
20:30 Mr-Pardison truly evil.
20:30 tenplus1 muhahahahah
20:30 Mr-Pardison *bwahahahahaha
20:30 Raven262 Btw, are there any blocks that are not completely evil?
20:30 tenplus1 I have schematic traps, instafarms and other neutral things like trees...
20:30 Shara Raven262: there used to be, but he is slowly replacing them
20:30 benrob0329 Better start a burn pit
20:30 Raven262 Oh
20:30 Shara We will soon rename it Unlucky Blocks
20:30 benrob0329 Or practice alchemy
20:30 tenplus1 yeah, many MANY drops for a lot of mods that support lucky blocks :)
20:31 * Shara tries to remember what she was even doing with this mod
20:31 tenplus1 even with all the bad blocks players still wanna play and bug me to regen arena :D
20:32 tenplus1 they know the risks :D
20:32 Shara Yup... would love to get to run such games
20:32 Raven262 Nah, they don't
20:32 Shara But DL needs to be more stable before I add anything else
20:32 tenplus1 any player with 'limit' privs can regen arena on xanadu
20:32 Raven262 They are probably uninformed of all the evil stuff that could happen to them.
20:32 Shara And it probably wouldn't woprk so well on DL
20:32 Shara tenplus1: you never gave me that :P
20:33 Shara I think  I refused it when you offered :P
20:33 Raven262 tenplus1, why not a timer that automatically refreshes it?
20:33 tenplus1 I have blockmens treasure chest mod in dungeons with a quick change to allow chests AND lucky blcoks also :) so you can find them in world
20:33 Shara Raven262: server would be overflowing with rare items
20:33 Raven262 Well, lower the refresh rate :P
20:34 Shara Not as much fun
20:34 Raven262 Yeah probably
20:35 tenplus1 that wouldnt work... players clear it fast and I dont want them winning tons of items and not playing/exploring in the world
20:35 Raven262 How about this one: Lucky block drops a tool that looks exactly like a diamond tool but has stats of a wooden one.
20:35 Raven262 :O
20:35 tenplus1 heh, unlucky axe etc... nice...   we have special item vuiolet screwdriver with 2500 uses
20:35 Mr-Pardison that's evil.
20:35 Mr-Pardison but rather smart.
20:35 Raven262 I am evil. Chaotic evil
20:35 Raven262 Ya know
20:36 Raven262 Wait, wrong game
20:36 tenplus1 ooh, I could add a lucky block for toolranks so that whatever tool you are holding to open the box will automatically switch to level 6 :)
20:37 Raven262 lisac would like this
20:37 Raven262 Right, lisac?
20:37 lisac hmm
20:37 tenplus1 would be nice if many more mods would support lucky blocks, the api isnt that hard to add new blocks :D
20:37 Raven262 Or one that sets level to 7
20:37 Raven262 And that is the only way to get level 7
20:37 Amaz You could also add another lucky block which sets the tool right back to the start of level 1 :P
20:37 tenplus1 ooh :P
20:38 Raven262 Amaz, I didn't know you are that kind of a person.
20:38 tenplus1 good and bad for same mod, I like it... thx amaz
20:38 lisac Amaz: better, just leave the level and wipe the progress
20:38 lisac 1000 digs? level 5?
20:38 lisac why not start over
20:38 Raven262 lisac is somewhere in the middle
20:38 tenplus1 level relies on the digs though
20:38 Amaz :)
20:39 Raven262 And a lucky blocks which allows the player to teleport to a location of their choice and works once?
20:39 tenplus1 the blocks.lua has support for many mods atm, and all of my own mods have there own lucky blocks added :)
20:39 Raven262 For the location, it should be somewhere in 500 nodes near what player has desired.
20:39 tenplus1 hrm, shows a formspec with nuymber fields :D
20:40 Megaf hum, I might have deleted one my my server backups
20:40 Megaf whoops
20:40 Mr-Pardison RIP
20:40 Raven262 Megaf, I deleted my whole system once.
20:40 Raven262 Not on purpose.
20:40 Megaf I dont understand, it should be there, the backup, but it isnt
20:40 Raven262 It wasn'tt oo fun, but I know i won't be ever doing it again.
20:40 Raven262 *too
20:41 Megaf (It's not a big deal, I have two copies in two different storage medias just beside me)
20:41 nerzhul joined #minetest-hub
20:41 tenplus1 hi nerzhul
20:41 Megaf I have 4 copies of my server in total
20:41 nerzhul hi tenplus1
20:41 Megaf yeah, the copy I have in the Netherlands is gone
20:41 Jordach herro
20:41 tenplus1 oops
20:41 tenplus1 hi Jordach
20:42 Megaf just have 2 copies in Ireland and one in London
20:42 Shara Hi Jordach
20:43 * Jordach gets to work on the next avtomat machine
20:44 Jordach an automated tree logger
20:44 Jordach but consumes 1 charcoal / coal per tree
20:44 tenplus1 ooh nice...
20:44 Jordach it doesn't plant saplings, that's what the block placer is for
20:44 tenplus1 coal powered machines like compactor, grinder etc would be nice
20:46 Megaf man, the first thing I'm buyign for myself when I get a that job is a ThinkPad
20:46 Jordach ThonkPad
20:46 Megaf Can't stand this MacBook Pro anymore
20:46 Jordach Megaf, gib MBP
20:46 tenplus1 *shudder*...  macbooks sucketh
20:46 Jordach Megaf, what year?
20:46 lisac Megaf: can't you install a different OS to a MacBook?
20:47 Megaf Jordach: of what?
20:47 Jordach the MBP
20:47 Megaf lisac: I can, but doesnt run well
20:47 Jordach what year of manufacture
20:47 Megaf Jordach: 2010
20:47 Jordach not bad
20:47 Megaf the laptop is fantastic
20:47 Jordach i've always loved the MBP desogns
20:47 Megaf I can't stand macOS anymore
20:47 Jordach until dongles
20:47 Megaf doesnt even read all my XFS, JFS and Ext4 USB sticks
20:47 lisac restarting IRC
20:47 Jordach Megaf, just install windows :)
20:48 lisac joined #minetest-hub
20:48 * Megaf throws a box of Windows Me CDs at Jordach
20:48 IhrFussel tenplus1, the warnings happen again since I enabled path finding...the algorithm doesn't seem to matter much
20:48 * lisac is now playing Winter's Gate, Pt. 6 (Winter's Gate) by Insomnium [2:36/5:12] [Playing] [played 14 times] [Melodic Death Metal]
20:48 lisac No way
20:48 lisac it actually works
20:48 Megaf lisac: what did you do
20:49 Jordach Megaf, windows ME ran perfectly on my Pentium 2
20:49 Jordach using 98 SE drivers on ME is a death sentence
20:49 Jordach same reason for vista
20:49 Jordach lazy manufacturers
20:49 lisac Megaf: recompiled hexchat
20:49 lisac with newer lua
20:49 Megaf I actually liked Windows Me as well
20:50 Jordach i liked vista
20:50 Jordach it's security is actually stronger than windows 10
20:50 Megaf Vista has some of the best Windows desisgns
20:50 Megaf it is actually quite good looking
20:50 Jordach 7 was just XP with the aero bodykit slapped onto it
20:51 Megaf Windows Vista, Mac OS X Tiger, macOS High Sierra. All good looking OSes
20:51 Megaf Jordach: actually they have very different kernels
20:51 Jordach i think what windows 10 is the change from x64 to a universal computing architecture
20:52 Megaf Windows XP was Windows 2000 with Windows ME closthes and software
20:52 Megaf Windows 2000 was Windows NT 4 with Windows 98 SE clothes
20:52 Megaf Windows NT 4 was OS/2 Warp 4 with windows 95 clothes
20:53 Megaf Windows 95 was Windows 3.11 for workgroups with fancy clothes
20:53 Megaf Windows 3.x was DOS with fancy clothes
20:53 Megaf DOS was CP/2 with fancy name.
20:53 Megaf CP/M 2 was a college assignment of some student
20:54 Megaf there you have it
20:54 CWz a PC is just a fancy calculator
20:54 Jordach Megaf, and windows 10 is the merging of universal computing
20:54 Megaf Windows 10 is just a college homework
20:54 Jordach and traditional x64
20:54 Raven262 A calculator is just a fancy piece of plastic and metals.
20:54 Megaf fancy paper and pen
20:55 Megaf Not sure where OS/2 comes from tho
20:55 Mr-Pardison Windows 10 not working is a feature.
20:55 Mr-Pardison not a bug.
20:55 Megaf It has some insipiration on UNIX
20:55 tenplus1 lolol
20:55 Jordach it's worked everyday for me since i installed it
20:55 Megaf but I don't know where the code comes from
20:55 tenplus1 I wouldnt trust win10 as far as I could throw it
20:55 rubenwardy yay, os flamewar
20:55 tenplus1 :PP
20:56 Raven262 Win10 has worked perfectly here, the applications ran inside of it have failed a few times.
20:56 Megaf rubenwardy: not yet, Trying to get there
20:56 Jordach philips hue_
20:56 tenplus1 I got fed up disabling all the spyware crap for clients that I ended up giving them Xubuntu instaed... no complaints yet
20:56 Megaf not sure we can have flamewar here. We like each other too much
20:56 Jordach ^
20:56 Raven262 Kubuntu here, looks epic but is a bit slow :P
20:56 tenplus1 too much eye candy :D
20:57 Jordach i install manjaro with KDE ona  5200 spinner
20:57 Megaf Aha, don't get me started on Ubuntu, that piece of crap!
20:57 Jordach holy shit that was slow
20:57 Jordach i like ubuntu
20:57 tenplus1 lol, ubuntu hasnt failed me yet :) lubuntu on desktop, xubuntu on laptop
20:57 tenplus1 and I get such a graphical gain using it than winblows
20:57 Jordach ubuntu for all it's faults
20:57 Raven262 tenplus1, https://i.imgur.com/54bhz7m.png like that.
20:57 Megaf Debian everywhere!
20:57 Jordach has a more positive result on linux as it's actually tested
20:58 tenplus1 ooh nice screenty
20:58 Megaf Now, speaking seriously. I don't see the point on Ubuntu
20:58 Megaf juse use Debian Testing or Debian Unstable
20:58 Megaf same thing, but better
20:58 Jordach Megaf, and those are for nerds
20:58 Megaf and without spy stuff
20:58 Jordach Ubuntu is for normies
20:58 Jordach and it's been tested on plenty of hardware
20:58 Raven262 And arch?
20:58 Raven262 I never tried that one.
20:58 tenplus1 debian is great, but ubuntu is debian with pre-set desktops and settings that works that little bit better for noobs
20:58 Jordach gentoo if you often order from bad dragon :^)
20:58 Amaz <3 Void with xfce :)
21:00 Megaf Arch had point in a time when we had 686 CPUs, as in Pentium II and K6-2 and beyong CPUS and the most optimized OS was 586, like Mandriva, eveything else was optimzed for 386 CPUs. Arch was the only one built exclusively to make good use of then modern CPUs
21:00 Megaf but now, everything is AMD64
21:00 tenplus1 they are pushing for 64-bit and trying to deprecate 32-bit kernel eventually
21:00 Jordach i don't blame them
21:00 Megaf So, if you have a Pentium II or III, go for Arch
21:00 tenplus1 wait until 128bit is a thing :P hah
21:00 Jordach every game dev i've spoke to wants to get rid of x86
21:01 Raven262 Every linux native game i got has both 64 and 86 Oo
21:01 Megaf You didnt speak to me about it
21:01 Jordach but that's linux
21:01 Jordach someone always complains if it's not tailored to them :^)
21:02 IhrFussel Is A*_noprefetch a custom path finding algorithm? I can't find anything about it outside of MT
21:02 Megaf by the way, here I am setting up a Linux virtual machine on macOS just so I can read my Linux USB sticks...
21:02 tenplus1 it's the standard one for pathfinding, djovak is an alternative
21:03 IhrFussel Yes but I wanted to look at the differences...I only find A* without "noprefetch"
21:03 Jordach Megaf, https://jordach.net/images/brfufknedvkovllz.gif
21:03 Mr-Pardison g2g
21:03 Mr-Pardison cya in a bit.
21:03 Megaf cya Mr-Pardison
21:03 tenplus1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinding
21:04 Megaf Jordach: that's creepy
21:04 Megaf Jordach: you made it yourself, didn't ya!?
21:04 Jordach lolno
21:04 Megaf hah
21:05 Megaf you could...
21:05 Megaf but it'd be creepier
21:05 IhrFussel tenplus1,  * `algorithm`: One of `"A*_noprefetch"` (default), `"A*"`, `"Dijkstra"`
21:05 rubenwardy does anyone here have a x86 only computer
21:05 IhrFussel I find nothing about "_noprefetch" of A* only A* itself
21:06 tenplus1 I have an old laptop that's x86... but both my desktop and newer lappy us amd64
21:07 tenplus1 single core no less :D
21:07 benrob0329 Amaz: void fam
21:07 benrob0329 Void is da best :DD
21:07 Fixer FF57 is indeed much more faster and smoother compared to 52ESR I'm using, but absense of some valuable addons is sad, like flashgot, add2bookmark, scrapbook, etc
21:07 tenplus1 it's a good update Fixer, I only ever use ublock lite tho...
21:08 IhrFussel rubenwardy, is Intel Dualcore x86 only?
21:08 benrob0329 Fixer: who needs flashgot when you have youtube-dl?
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21:08 Amaz benrob0329: Yup :D
21:08 Fixer benrob0329: who needs youtube-dl when you can vdyoutube
21:08 Megaf [21:05:44] <rubenwardy> does anyone here have a x86 only computer
21:08 tenplus1 lol
21:08 Megaf I will have access to some in one week, why?
21:09 sofar x86 only? wut
21:09 Fixer https://www.vdyoutube.com/
21:09 Megaf I have a K6-2 266Mhz, Duron 830 MHz, Athlon XP 2800+
21:09 Megaf those are my x86_32 desktops
21:09 sofar does he mean 386? 32bit only?
21:09 Megaf and I have a Pentium II laptop too
21:09 tenplus1 yeh
21:09 Fixer benrob0329: using flashgot for file mass downloading, very poweful stuff
21:10 tenplus1 ooh, I had an Athlon 2400XP once :) great cpi
21:10 sofar just emulate one in qemu
21:10 Megaf I actually like real hardware for development
21:10 benrob0329 Fixer: define mass downloading
21:10 Fixer benrob0329: aka, say i wanted do DL those MOD files, few clicks - done (no need to click endlessly 100 files to download)
21:11 benrob0329 fair enough
21:11 Megaf indeed
21:12 Megaf I wish Quassel could show the song I'm listening to
21:12 tenplus1 no plugin for that ?
21:14 Megaf Quassel doesnt have support for plugins
21:14 Megaf Calinou: does it? ^
21:14 tenplus1 buuuuu, easier to type "Listening to Song name"
21:14 tenplus1 nite folks :PPP
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21:17 Megaf That moment you have 24 GB available and you need 31 GB
21:18 Megaf 21.91 GB free now
21:18 Megaf cya iTune library. 34 GB free now
21:19 Megaf "Choose a different volume with at least 31.72 GB of space available."
21:19 Megaf man!!!
21:19 Megaf I hate macOS!
21:19 Mr_Pardison and that is yet another reason why I will never buy an apple device.
21:19 Megaf I have 34.19 GB!
21:20 Megaf As far as I know I can put 31 GB inside 24 GBs!
21:20 Megaf 34*
21:21 Megaf Ok, had to close disk utility and open it again... It's working now. macOS everyday gets closer to Windows...
21:21 Megaf Mr_Pardison: Apple hardware is great
21:21 Megaf the closet thing we have to Apple hardware are the ThinkPads
21:21 Megaf in my opinion
21:21 Mr_Pardison yup
21:21 Mr_Pardison afk
21:25 Megaf Mr_Pardison: benrob0329: My dream machine. https://www3.lenovo.com/ie/en/laptops/thin‚Äčkpad/p-series/ThinkpPad-P51/p/22TP2WPWP51
21:25 Megaf That thing is built for work, to work.
21:25 Megaf to be serviced and to be powerful
21:25 Megaf top quality
21:26 Megaf This is what all MacBook Pros want to be but never will
21:26 Megaf It's what MacBook Pros once were
21:26 Megaf XEON CPU!!
21:27 IhrFussel Path finding seems to be a bit buggy though...sometimes the mob is able to get me inside a simple maze, other times it doesn't even try to and just jumps at the same spot
21:27 Megaf isnt there an issue open on pathfiding?
21:28 shivajiva https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5479
21:29 Megaf there we go ^
21:30 IhrFussel But how can it be that random for the EXACT same maze?? It's like MT decides on mood
21:30 Megaf tiny cosmic partciles flipping bits in your RAM chips
21:31 Mr_Pardison Megaf: using a thinkpad x131e right now.
21:31 Megaf yay
21:31 Mr_Pardison can be put into developer mode and run linux native.
21:32 Mr_Pardison haven't done that with this one yet since I haven't gotten around to it.
21:32 Megaf you have no idea how much I want a ThinkPad man
21:32 Megaf I'd be very happy if I could run Debian on my MacBook Pro just as well as it will run on a ThinkPad
21:33 Mr_Pardison Megaf: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/lap‚Äčtops/thinkpad/x-series/x131e-amd/
21:33 Mr_Pardison and this one: https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-th‚Äčinkpad-x131e-3372-11-6-e2-1800-windows-‚Äč8-pro-64-bit-windows-7-pro-64-bit-downg‚Äčrade-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd-series/specs/
21:33 Mr_Pardison ^ the specs of it according to CNET
21:34 Megaf Mr_Pardison: it's beautiful
21:35 Megaf Mr_Pardison: shame the CPU it's an E series
21:35 Megaf those CPUs are to AMD what Atom is for Intel
21:37 Megaf I mean, not saying they are bad
21:37 Megaf they are just not meant for merformance, they are meant to use little energy
21:37 Mr_Pardison It's pretty good for Tanki Online in terms of FPS.
21:37 Mr_Pardison I get 60 from that.
21:38 Megaf THe GPU built in that think is ok
21:38 Megaf I have a Satellite with an AMD E1 at 1,3 GHz
21:38 Mr_Pardison only thing is that I can't really have my spotify web player going at the same time if there are a lot of other ppl on the network or else it becomes laggy.
21:39 IhrFussel Wait...you actually HAVE TO define pathfinding = true in the mob file of Mobs Redo
21:41 Megaf I might just buy this thing https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptop‚Äčs/thinkpad/thinkpad-13-series/ThinkP‚Äčad-13-Windows-2nd-Gen/p/22TP2TX133E
21:41 benrob0329 Megaf: if I ever have $2k to spend, I know what laptop I could get
21:42 Mr_Pardison I have over $4k in the bank (4,093 to be exact) but that's for college.
21:42 Megaf 13.3" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare <- with that screen
21:42 Megaf Mr_Pardison: I have 43 Cents in my bank acount and around 30 Euro in my wallet
21:43 benrob0329 Anti glare as in..matte finish?
21:43 Megaf I could do with the job I went for the chat/interview today
21:43 Megaf benrob0329: I think so, yes
21:43 benrob0329 My desktop monitor is a matte finish and it works great
21:43 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/zyqnqrtmrbwkmvehbh.png
21:44 benrob0329 More difficult to clean though
21:44 Megaf macs are very reflexive...
21:44 Megaf whats that Jordach
21:44 Jordach what does a chainsaw specifically do
21:44 benrob0329 Jordach: your automating a piece of rebar?
21:44 Mr_Pardison in technic?
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21:44 Mr_Pardison well, it is used to cut down trees.
21:44 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: not technic :-)
21:45 Mr_Pardison I made my own custom addition to it so that it could be used to cut down ethereal plant life as well.
21:45 benrob0329 Jordach: I take it thats an auto chopper
21:45 Jordach benrob0329, certain machines need fuel :)
21:47 benrob0329 Jordach: so what, you plant trees around it and it will chop them down for fuel?
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21:47 Jordach benrob0329, on it's own, it needs the movers to empty the inventory
21:49 Megaf brb, will install Debian back on my mac, will come back when I'm ready. cya soon
21:49 Mr_Pardison k
21:49 Mr_Pardison cya Megaf. have fun and don't take any L's.
21:54 benrob0329 My Lua book is "Out For Delivery"
21:54 benrob0329 Unfortunately I'm one of the last houses on the rout it seems most days
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21:56 IhrFussel drop = "" in register_node() is a simple way to "steal" the node from the player when dug ... didn't know that
21:56 Mr_Pardison well, departing now.
21:56 Mr_Pardison cya tomorrow.
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22:06 Megaf will have to perform a hard disk transplant first...
22:06 Megaf welcome back Mr_Pardison
22:06 Raven262 Who knows, maybe it won't be that hard after all.
22:07 Mr_Pardison back until the bus leaves.
22:07 Megaf I installed the wrong hard disk in my mac
22:08 Megaf put my backup disk instead of the disk for OS
22:08 Mr_Pardison .....
22:10 Megaf why do they put so many scews in laptops?
22:11 Jordach to screw people
22:11 Mr_Pardison screw us over.
22:16 Mr_Pardison l8r peeps.
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22:16 Megaf will have to take my mac apart again
22:16 benrob0329 its a bit screwy when you think about it
22:16 Megaf lol
22:17 benrob0329 Bye Mr_Pardison
22:18 Megaf Toshiba is back in one piece
22:18 Megaf waiting for dd to finish here
22:18 Megaf I think nobody reinstall OSes more often than me
22:19 benrob0329 Megaf: there's probably someone
22:20 benrob0329 I usually end up reinstalling every 6 months
22:20 Fixer https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues heh
22:20 benrob0329 I like to change up my setup once in a while
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22:27 Fixer https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/397
22:31 Megaf lol Fixer
22:32 Fixer redhat sponsored development, have a nice day
22:32 sofar oh ffs
22:32 Megaf will remove systemd from Debian as soon as I install it here
22:32 sofar it's off topic, complain somewhere else
22:32 Fixer just amusing / notasystemduser
22:32 Fixer just a little bit of offtopic is healthy
22:33 sofar it's annoying
22:33 sofar to me, personally, you know I worked on systemd
22:33 sofar so, you're trolling
22:33 sofar so, take it somewhere else
22:35 Megaf sofar: I actually think is very nice that you worked on systemd, how was it? Did you learn much?
22:35 sofar systemd learned from me, in a way
22:35 Megaf benrob0329: my Toshiba laptop has a Hitachi HD and my Apple has a Toshiba HD...
22:36 sofar it came into existance because of work me and a colleague did
22:36 Fixer sofar: you have not seen 100s of pages of systemd hate, justified or not, it is there, everything poettering related had legendary hate
22:36 Fixer same with pulseaudio
22:36 Megaf sofar: well, we always learn when developing a new project
22:36 sofar if (CHANGE) then { HATE }
22:36 Megaf I learned a lot from Minetest
22:36 sofar sounds xenophobic/racist/conservative
22:36 Fixer possibly, it was amusing to read, I have not suffered from it
22:37 Fixer from systemd itself
22:37 Megaf Fixer: lets just stop that ;)
22:38 Fixer pulseaudio initially had tooons of bugs, systemd fueled that endless bloat vs unixway flamewar
22:38 sofar Megaf: systemd originated because me and a colleage showed everyone that you can boot linux in 5 seconds on crap hardware if you stop being stupid, and by extension you make it more secure and more robust
22:38 sofar upstart failed due to political reasons
22:38 sofar systemd has, and is, a community effort
22:39 sofar always been
22:39 Megaf sofar: the problem is, I have yet to see a good implementation of systemd
22:39 sofar try ClearLinux
22:39 Megaf Debian takes ages to boot with systemd
22:39 sofar of course, everyone complains when they leave sysvinit compat code enabled
22:39 Megaf or just as long as it takes with a normal init
22:39 Megaf aha
22:39 sofar that's the real culprit
22:39 sofar you can not expect systemd to understand how init scripts work
22:40 sofar so, pick a distro that has sysv compat code in systemd disabled
22:40 sofar ergo, ClearLinux
22:40 Fixer classical init was very weird in itself
22:40 benrob0329 sofar: as a conservative I find that to br trolling ;-)
22:40 sofar nobody used classic init correctly
22:40 Fixer remember that SXX and KXX stuff? or hand crafted bash scripts, it miraculously worked
22:40 sofar nobody puts sshd into /etc/inittab
22:40 sofar "miraculously"
22:41 sofar point proven
22:41 Fixer there is and idiom for that, i forgot one
22:41 benrob0329 Classic init was bad, BSD scripts are questionable
22:41 sofar all init scripts are bad, by definition
22:41 sofar spawning thousands of shell processes at boot time
22:41 Fixer init system out of rocks and sticks that was glued together and it kinda even worked for all those years
22:42 benrob0329 Runit is my personal favorite, but Systemd works
22:42 benrob0329 I dont yell at people for using it :-)
22:42 Megaf sofar: everyday you manage to make me more and more curious about clear linux
22:42 Megaf I tried it a couple of times in the very begining of the project
22:43 sofar you can run it for free in AWS for 12 months
22:43 sofar (within certain limits)
22:43 sofar free server!
22:43 Megaf nah, I have my dedicated now
22:43 benrob0329 If nothing else, Systemd sparked the  discussion of what an init system should be
22:44 sofar how much? what do you get for it?
22:44 Megaf sofar: I have it mostly because of 4 GB of RAM and 2 TB for disk space for 14 USD
22:44 sofar per? month?
22:44 Megaf yet
22:45 Megaf and 4 cores
22:45 sofar pretty decent, what hoster?
22:46 Megaf sofar: CPU is an old Atom N200, 1,8 GHz, 2 real cores 2 SMT
22:46 Megaf sofar: it's KimSufi
22:47 Megaf https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml
22:47 Megaf I have the KS-2E
22:50 sofar ah, neat
22:51 Megaf Problem with ClearLinux is that is not really a desktop OS
22:51 sofar I have a slightly beefier hoster, I'd love to get more storage on it somehow, at some point
22:52 sofar yep, it's not meant for that, perhaps in the future we'll get to that
22:52 sofar it's slowly improving, though
22:52 Megaf The thing is, I'm pretty happy with Debian as server OS. for Server it boots very quick
22:52 Megaf and works very well
22:53 sofar nothing boots as fast as clearlinux, by a large margin
22:54 sofar most server os builds boot reasonably fast, though. Most people don't care about a sub-10 second boot
22:54 sofar however, the clearlinux professional customer comes complaining to us if boot time is > 0.5sec
22:54 sofar (in some cases)
22:55 sofar $ systemd-analyze
22:55 sofar Startup finished in 281.3ms (kernel) + 635.1ms (userspace) = 916.4ms
22:55 sofar that's the "ultra cheapo" aws free tier hosting with clearlinux ^
22:56 sofar btw, that's 380ms+ for resizing my filesystem to a new size at last boot
22:56 sofar so, normal boot time is more like 0.6sec
22:57 Megaf That's a fast SSD
22:57 Megaf and lots of cache
22:58 sofar http://minetestmedia.foo-p‚Äčrojects.org/bootchart.svg
22:58 sofar if you don't trust my data - check the bootchart yourself
22:58 Megaf Easy booting fast on fast hardware
22:58 sofar aws free tier has remote storage
22:58 sofar it's "ssd" but on a fabric, and limited in bandwidth
22:59 Megaf init=/usr/bin/initra-aws
22:59 Megaf not a normal OS
22:59 Megaf you are comparing a very optimzed thing for a specific platform
23:00 Megaf again BOOT_IMAGE=org.clearlinux.aws.4.13.12-56
23:00 Megaf a kernel built for that environment
23:00 nerzhul sofar, boot time is useless for a server
23:00 Megaf I can optimize Debian to boot fast on anything
23:00 sofar nerzhul: not for a container/vm OS (you don't want VMs to take 10 seconds to boot if you start millions)
23:00 Megaf And Debian is among the fastest, if not the fastest for web server, database and scitific workloads
23:00 nerzhul my Archlinux boots in 2.3 sec on my PC with many services up (libvirt, docker, gdm, rabbitmq and some more)
23:01 sofar Megaf: don't trust me, read phoronix/openbenchmarking.org
23:01 nerzhul container OS doesn't have to be on VM they should be on baremetal and baremetal boot times are slow due to server BIOS :p
23:01 Megaf sofar: that's where I'm getting my performance data from
23:01 Megaf Debian is not far behind clearlinux
23:01 Megaf I'm not saying ClearLinux is bad, I'm saying Debian can be just as good.
23:02 Megaf It's up to the sysadmin
23:02 sofar nerzhul: clearlinux containers boot in 0.1 seconds on normal hardware (with full UEFI firmware)
23:02 nerzhul which constructor ? it's neither the case on Dell, nor on HP nor on supermicro :p
23:02 nerzhul and they are the 3 most great hardware constructors :p
23:02 Megaf not even Macs load EFI in 0.1 seconds...
23:03 sofar you'd need clearlinux as both the host and the VM to get that, though
23:03 nerzhul Debian boots in 1 sec on all servers if your forgot the vendor hardware checks at boot time
23:03 Fixer https://www.atarimagazines.c‚Äčom/cva/v1n2/pocketgames7.jpg lel
23:03 nerzhul and i don't care about 0.9 sec boot time on a server, i have many more problems than upfront a VM host :p
23:03 sofar you're not my customer
23:03 sofar that's fine
23:04 Megaf Even Ubuntu is almost as fast as ClearLinux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=art‚Äčicle&amp;item=clear-linux-7980xe&amp;num=2
23:04 Megaf apart from one or two tests
23:05 nerzhul except developers which can take care about 1sec (but... developers forgot to shutdown their pc, and then don't care), nobody cares about 0.1 sec boot time, in big infrastructure you will have common rules about kernels, network etc, and the boot time is not intresting as you don't need to scale in the second and either in VM creation or in hardware allocation you have more long time than 1sec
23:05 Megaf but again, that test is totally meaningless
23:05 Megaf nerzhul: most of customers are not big data
23:05 Megaf they are small and medium companies
23:05 nerzhul i don't talk about big data
23:06 Megaf easily impressed about boot time
23:06 nerzhul i talk about medium companies, not gafa
23:06 rubenwardy Megaf, sofar: just wanted to do a quick sample on who here is stuck with x86
23:06 nerzhul and big companies are not gafa
23:06 sofar rubenwardy: ahhh
23:06 Megaf rubenwardy: I answered you already, now you read the backlog and get back to me
23:06 rubenwardy as someone mentioned about games not supporting x86 anymore, only amd64
23:06 nerzhul generally they have same problem as medium companies, just they have 5 or 10 times more servers, but they are very heterogenous
23:07 Megaf nerzhul: but I can see cases where boot time is important
23:07 Megaf specially if you have all your services as isolated containers
23:07 nerzhul useless
23:07 Megaf you want your containers to start fast after the boot
23:07 nerzhul the boot time is not used in containers :p
23:07 Megaf Myself is a user for several containers
23:07 Fixer i have notebook in use - x86-32 one
23:07 nerzhul you just start processus in container, the host os is already running
23:07 Megaf each container has to boot
23:07 Fixer iirc
23:07 nerzhul no
23:07 nerzhul container just launch a process
23:07 sofar haha
23:08 Megaf not mine containers
23:08 Megaf my containers are basically VMs
23:08 Megaf they just share the kernel
23:08 sofar it's a good thing you guys aren't in deciders in my department
23:08 nerzhul if you launch systemd or sysv it's a process :p
23:08 sofar I'd be out of a job fast
23:08 nerzhul but today's container are app containers, not OS containers
23:08 Megaf sofar: it's just different usecases
23:08 nerzhul i have both in my infrastructure
23:08 Fixer expectation: https://www.atarimagazines.c‚Äčom/cva/v1n2/demonattack2.jpg / reality: https://www.atarimagazines.c‚Äčom/cva/v1n2/demonattack3.jpg
23:09 Megaf nerzhul and me in our use cases we just don't care so much about boot time
23:09 nerzhul yeah the boot time usecare is a very very little usecase, runtime is the most important usecase
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23:09 nerzhul but i appreciate the work sofar , it's just useless in 99% world's infrastructures :p
23:09 Megaf nerzhul: I wouldnt say that
23:09 Megaf there are cases and cases
23:09 Mr_Pardison Well, I was wrong.
23:10 Mr_Pardison I'm back now.
23:10 Megaf ClearLinux would be awesome in routers/switches/set top boces
23:10 Megaf boxes*
23:10 Fixer i've opened pandora flamebox :(
23:10 Megaf is there anything more annoying than waiting for your TV to boot up?
23:10 sofar nerzhul: it's ok, I work for the 1% anyway
23:10 Megaf Fixer: no flame here, just a healthy discussion
23:10 nerzhul Megaf, in home routers why not, but rebooting a router is like rebooting a server, it's not the most common case and hardware check are always important
23:11 sofar btw, clearlinux also ships an optimized minetestserver
23:11 sofar :D
23:11 nerzhul sofar, no problem, i have FreeBSD servers and it's also 1% of the global UNIX installations :p
23:11 Fixer of UNIX or Unix?
23:11 sofar wrong side of the binomial distribution, though
23:11 Megaf sofar: now, about minetest server, I doubt it would be faster than my build
23:11 Megaf we have to benchmark that
23:11 sofar agreed XD
23:12 sofar how to test, though?
23:12 Megaf sofar: I just send you my build already compiled
23:12 Megaf and you run it on clearlinux
23:12 Megaf and compare to the build you have
23:13 Megaf I just need to know the CPU you will use to test
23:13 sofar sure, but I'd have to come up with a way to measure something consistently
23:13 Megaf minetestserver has some primitive benchmark thing
23:13 Megaf sofar: I totally agree on that
23:14 Megaf I spent a lot of time studying and researching CPU architecture and compilers. And have no way of properly benchmarking it
23:14 sfan5 are you using funroll-loops, Megaf?
23:15 Megaf sfan5: oftentimes yes
23:15 sofar -fomg-optimize -fwelove-yourmoney
23:15 sfan5 have you actually verified it to help
23:15 Megaf sfan5: as we are discussing here, there's no way to properly benchmark minetestserver
23:15 Megaf so nobody knows
23:16 sofar sfan5: I wrote an article ages ago proving that most optimizations over -O2 only hurt performance... still gets references once in a while, lol
23:16 sofar it would be nice to have a mapgenbench
23:16 sofar maybe we can cook something up
23:17 sofar that in itself would be a reasonable performance benchmark
23:17 Megaf -mfpmath=both <- this can actually bring performance gains
23:17 sfan5 {{cn}}
23:17 * Mr_Pardison hands sofar a frying pan
23:17 Megaf ok, will be back on Debian, going to swap HDs now and install Debian, cya
23:17 sofar trying to find a link, lol, the original blog no longer exists
23:20 sofar we're talking something I wrote in 2002 or so, yikes
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23:29 Megaf Back
23:29 Megaf on Debian now
23:29 Megaf :D
23:30 Megaf 10 minutes, oh boy, I can do that faster
23:30 * Mr-Pardison hands Megaf a timer
23:31 * Megaf hands Mr-Pardison an atomic clock
23:32 sofar careful, by moving it you make it inaccurate
23:32 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media‚Äč/DQy0iY1W0AAQeIm.jpg:large
23:32 Megaf sofar: really?
23:32 Megaf lol fixer
23:32 Fixer just now on my money machine in beta: https://i.imgur.com/V4VXNK1.png
23:32 Megaf lol2
23:32 sofar yes, absolutely, a clock that is moving goes slower than a clock that stands still
23:33 Megaf ah, that moving
23:33 sofar general relativity
23:33 Megaf I thought you mean like, just touching it
23:33 sofar Fixer: "this is fine"
23:34 Megaf sofar: have you ever heard about OpenVZ?
23:34 sofar obviously
23:34 sofar I have an OpenVZ host, even
23:34 Megaf sofar: so, that's the container technology I use
23:34 sofar well, technically my wife has
23:34 Megaf CentOS as host and several Debian containers
23:34 Megaf OpenVZ 6
23:35 Megaf with the Red Hat kernel...
23:35 Megaf no ClearLinux there... https://openvz.org/Download/template/precreated
23:37 sofar one of our images may work, but, tbh, I doubt it
23:37 sofar we don't support openvz atm
23:39 Megaf well, never will, OpenVZ 6 is going to be disconinued
23:42 Megaf unless someone fork it and keep developing it
23:42 Megaf I'd love to see a newer kernel on it...
23:54 Mr-Pardison Sokomine! If you want those items, I would highly suggest you get to the spawn on DL.
23:57 Megaf Finally got spell to work on Quassel, although it's only working for American English so far
23:58 Megaf Aha! I got it working of real English now.
23:58 Mr-Pardison English is English.
23:59 Mr-Pardison slight variations in pronunciation, spelling of words, and meaning.

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