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00:21 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY
00:36 Megaf Folks, I think I will get this KS-3C at https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml
00:36 Megaf What you think?
00:37 Megaf KS-3C Intel  i3-2130 2c/4t 3.4GHz 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz   2TB  100 Mbps /128 $21.99
00:39 sfan5 no gbit?
00:39 sfan5 good for that price though
00:40 rubenwardy that's the one I have!
00:40 rubenwardy very happy with it
00:40 Fixer thats basically my PC
00:40 Fixer ._________________.
00:40 rubenwardy shame that there's no SSD though
00:40 Fixer Megaf: 22$ per year?
00:40 Megaf month...
00:40 Fixer o_o
00:41 Megaf It would be a super upgrade from my current 1 GB ram, one core and 20 GB disk for 10 USD/month
00:41 Fixer test-driving digall mod: https://github.com/tacigar/minetest-digall
00:42 Fixer very useful for builders
00:42 Fixer needs polishing though
00:42 Megaf rubenwardy: you happy with them, really? What did you have before?
00:42 Fixer Megaf: holy crap, those prices are insane
00:42 Fixer Megaf: 1core/1gb/20gb, i feel back to 2001
00:42 Megaf Fixer: and it's dedicated. The whole hardware just for yourself.
00:42 Fixer Megaf: dedicated POS
00:43 Fixer Megaf: i would rather buy god damn PC and use it as server, will be cheaper and faster
00:43 Megaf I have no idea how I will migrate all my infrastructure from Linode to KimSufi though
00:43 rubenwardy Fixer, most people don't have commercial internet connections
00:43 Fixer and host from home
00:43 Megaf will have to adjust a lot of DNS stuff
00:43 rubenwardy also, it's really not a POS
00:43 Megaf POS?
00:43 rubenwardy it's very good, minus having a HHD
00:43 Fixer piece of ----
00:43 Shara Fixer: some of us have to pay more than that just for an internet connection :)
00:44 Fixer unless you have bad upload speed on your home ISP
00:44 Megaf Fixer: unstable internet here alone is 20 EUR/Month
00:44 Megaf plus electricity bills
00:44 Megaf plus hardware price
00:44 Megaf and would have to by an UPS. And make RAID for redundancy
00:45 Megaf I think 22 USD/Month for that hardware is a bargain
00:47 Shara Megaf: Yup. It's what I plan to look at if I ever need more space
00:48 Megaf Shara: the main reason my server is down at the moment is because I ran out of space...
00:49 Shara Space and ever inflating map sizes... My biggest worry.
00:52 Fixer Shara: with minetest you can downsize a lot, like doing 4096x4096x4096 map
00:52 Fixer pregenerated one
00:52 Fixer with weekly archive via unexplore script
00:53 Shara Fixer: I've already limited mapsize
00:53 Megaf Terrible for serious playing ^
00:53 Shara But sitting at 16GB
00:53 Shara And given that most surface area is built on, it's pretty difficult to find safe ways to reduce it
00:54 Fixer Megaf: not really ;) Slice the world into many *dimensions* *cough*
00:54 Fixer say 1000 nodes per dimension vertically
00:55 Fixer with their own different biome parameters/altitudes/heat/etc
00:56 Megaf So you don't have players building gigantic underground structures and extensive network of tunels dug into stone
00:56 Megaf if I use unexplore thing in my server I will wipe out so much stuff
00:57 Fixer Megaf: you can teleport player to continuation of the slice in some way
00:58 Fixer Megaf: iirc you can set "triggers" for unexplore to capture mapblocks, say if they have a torch, or cobble
00:59 Megaf Nope, not safe
00:59 Fixer or other signs of activity
01:02 Shara Fixer: everything I read and looked at for this just tells me it would have to destroy or damage things in order to be useful
01:03 Fixer yep, it may destroy some carved parts
01:03 Shara And since the map is so big and there is so much content, it's not like I can test it then make sure everything is okay
01:03 Fixer say tunnels
01:03 Shara Yup.. and my players spent endless hours created nice tunnel networks.
01:03 Shara Not talking about mines either, since this is creative
01:07 Fixer iirc minecraft classic had 2048x2048 maximum map size
01:08 Shara Not really relevant
01:09 Shara Have a reasonable number of players on a server... run it for years... map simply gets big unless you are happy to lose things
01:10 rubenwardy ideally Minetest would if a chunk has been modified
01:10 rubenwardy and then either not save it if it has
01:10 Shara would...?
01:10 rubenwardy +remember
01:10 Shara :)
01:10 Shara Yea
01:12 rubenwardy there's a lot of sentences that start with "ideally Minetest would" or "Minetest should" though
01:12 Sokomine Megaf: krock used to have a mod on his server that limited the area players could explore. it wasn't a problem ingame but helped reduce map size. perhaps that's something for you as well?
01:13 Megaf well, my ssd is full already, there's not much I can do about it now
01:13 Megaf But I don't really mind about having a huge world
01:13 Megaf I just need a decent server hardware..
01:14 Sokomine Shara: hmm. what i rescued from redcrabs server was (compressed) not much more than 100 mb. and i was pretty sure that i got most. and that server ran for years. still, maps on servers tend to grow huge
01:15 Shara Sokomine: I can't find a safe way to reduce it.
01:15 Sokomine Fixer: but those classic servers had several maps between which players could travel
01:16 Sokomine rubenwardy: oh yes. would love to have something that stores weather anything of intrest (=player did something) ever happened in a mpablock or not
01:16 Sokomine rubenwardy: hmm, i'm afraid you're right with that "ideally...should...if i ever get the time" :/
01:17 Sokomine Megaf: how long has your world been running?
01:17 Megaf 5 years
01:17 Megaf it's 5 GB
01:17 Megaf and several thousands of players
01:17 Sokomine that's almost acceptable for 5 years
01:18 Shara 2 years and 16 GB here...
01:19 Sokomine Shara: need to get your players to stay more in one place :-)
01:19 Shara Impossible.
01:19 Sokomine but there's admittedly been built a lot. and very good things
01:19 Shara They build too much!
01:19 Megaf well, my server has been sleeping for the last 2 years
01:20 Sokomine :-) treat them less well. other servers try that desperately :)
01:20 Megaf almost no activity in the past 2 years and very little in the last 3 years
01:20 Shara Sokomine: Certain people seem to already think I am a terrible admin!
01:20 Sokomine Megaf: that certainly helps reduce map size
01:21 Megaf :P
01:21 Sokomine Shara: :) guess that's a misunderstanding. you two are very similar in what you'd consider acceptable on your servers. it's just a tiny piece of the spectrum you're looking at where views vary slightly
01:21 Fixer truecraft repo archived by its owner. now read only mode. RIP
01:22 Sokomine or maybe things worded differently
01:22 Shara Not sure who else you mean by "you two"
01:22 Sokomine what was/is truecraft?
01:23 Fixer gn
01:24 Calinou Sokomine: TrueCraft is a C# reimplementation of Minecraft Beta 1.7.3
01:33 IhrFussel Do you even consider the power bill when hostiong from home?? My PC isn't even a gaming one and costs ~ $20 per month JUST for power
01:34 IhrFussel And i shut it down 12 hours per day ... so 24/7 would mean $40 per month elictricity
01:35 IhrFussel So my dedi @ $25 per month saves me *lots* of money
01:41 Sokomine Calinou: aah. thank you
01:42 Sokomine Calinou: do you know how well it runs on less good graphics cards? my machine can't handle mc due to it only having an igp. perhaps that truecraft could? i'd really like to take a look at what mc is like. just for comparison
02:02 Megaf Good night all
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02:08 MinetestBot paramat: Dec-09 14:04 UTC <Megaf> Hi paramat, I can remove the thumbs up but I can't remove the code review approvals. Which one should I stop using?
02:08 MinetestBot paramat: Dec-09 14:05 UTC <ThomasMonroe> hey paramat, I finished #6702; got rid of the caps except for the abbreviations
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04:24 sofar hmm, a few more users of the Public Remote Media Server! Good!
04:24 sofar keep em coming! Hasn't cost me anything yet!
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11:20 Megaf Good morning
11:21 Krock o/ Megaf
11:21 Megaf \o
11:22 Megaf I will be in Frankfurt on 17th Dec
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12:24 Megaf https://jalopnik.com/the-mclaren-senna-is-an​-uncompromising-track-car-here-t-1821156628
12:25 Megaf It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna
12:26 Krock "impressive 789 horsepower and 590 lb-ft of torque"
12:26 Krock thanks you imperials
12:30 Megaf it looks like the old NSX
12:30 Megaf https://images.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file​/width/640/media/5830946/Honda%20NSX%20(1).jpg
12:30 Megaf which makes sense if you think about it
12:32 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GOEorrE4mY
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12:46 Calinou sofar: heh, it's a nice idea to have a public remote_media server
12:46 Calinou I never thought of this :P
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12:46 Calinou some Quake-derived games also have public Web servers available for map downloads
12:46 Calinou e.g. http://xonotic.co/
12:46 Fixer urban terror
12:47 Fixer as usual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ
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12:59 Calinou yeah, Urban Terror has a public map server hosted by sebsauvage
12:59 Calinou (zerobin author)
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13:40 lisac <Megaf> It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna
13:40 lisac I was reconsidering my life after I misread that as Santa
13:40 Megaf hah!
13:41 Megaf rubenwardy: creating account at KimSurf right now
13:41 Megaf waiting for confirmation email
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13:48 Megaf s/kimsurf/kimsufi
14:01 * Calinou imagines a surfing Kim Dotcom
14:02 Megaf lmao
14:02 Megaf I have no idea what you talking about, thoug I find if funny
14:02 Megaf Sokomine: So, I'm going from 20 GB SSD to 2 x 1 TB HDD, just ordered my dedicated
14:03 Megaf I guess I will have no issues with disk space anymore
14:03 Krock depends if you want to start a file hosting service or not
14:03 Megaf I will keep my Linode VPS for my personal website and Git server and leave KimSufi for Minetest.
14:03 Megaf Krock: Will make a cloud yes, but just for family
14:04 Megaf Maybe using NextCloud or maybe some Torrent based thing
14:17 Krock Sorry for digging this out again.. but can we try to rescue the rare item (Nyan Cat) idea again? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/issues/1647#issuecomment-288147673
14:18 Krock GNU/Gnu looks very promising - and seems to have a better rating than the PB&J pup
14:19 paramat cyan-cat
14:23 Sokomine Megaf: sounds fine :-) ought to be fast enough
14:23 Megaf Sokomine: I'm not sure is going to be fast. I'm going for an Atom
14:23 Megaf but four core. So mapgen should be fast enough
14:24 Sokomine Megaf: atom..hm. and then you want to run 3 mt servers on it? not sure if that's going to work welll
14:25 Megaf Sokomine: right now it will run only my main and current server ;)
14:25 Krock depends on their single thread performance
14:25 Megaf that's the priority
14:26 Sokomine Fixer: had a look at the videos about tools you mentionned. i'm not sure about how useful those tools would actually be. the first one seems to place 5 blocks in a row (or more for the more expensive ones). i fear a bit that that'd lead to even more ugly cobble boxes. for creative building, worldedit is usually pretty good
14:27 Sokomine Fixer: a tool for setting worldedit positions might perhaps be more helpful. the tool could set pos1 and pos2, and when clicking on pos3, offer a formspec of what can be done with that volume
14:33 Megaf rubenwardy: How do configure SSH/remote access to my kimsufi? :P
14:44 Krock Sokomine, isn't that what worldedit_gui does?
14:48 rubenwardy Megaf: ssh-copy-id username@host
14:48 rubenwardy and then disable passwords
14:48 rubenwardy well
14:48 rubenwardy it tells you your password to login
14:48 rubenwardy you should:
14:48 rubenwardy 1. login with root password and change it
14:48 rubenwardy 2. make a new user account, say "Megaf"
14:49 rubenwardy 3.  usermod -aG sudo megaf
14:49 rubenwardy 4. use ssh-copy-id to send key up to megaf
14:49 rubenwardy 5. as root, disable password authentication in /etc/sshd/sshd.conf
14:49 rubenwardy then to login again, you'd do   ssh megaf@host,  and then sudo su to go into root (with megaf's password)
14:50 rubenwardy alternatively you can just ssh-copy-id on root and log straight into it
14:51 Megaf rubenwardy: I didnt set a root password anywhere
14:51 Megaf that's the problem
14:51 rubenwardy it'll be in the dashboard or an email
14:53 Megaf rubenwardy: oh, it was in my email, thanks
14:53 Megaf :)
14:53 Megaf hm, ssh delay is very good, pretty non existent
14:55 Megaf /dev/sda3       1.8T   33M  1.8T   1% /home
14:55 Megaf oh boy
14:55 Megaf I never had so much space in my whole life
14:55 Megaf :P
14:56 Megaf total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
14:56 Megaf Mem:           3938          86        3395           5         456        3626
14:56 Megaf o/
15:01 Megaf rubenwardy: thanks for the tip, ssh-copy-id, I didn't remember about that
15:01 Megaf And I'm not using sudo ;)
15:01 rubenwardy be careful: they mount   /   on 20GB
15:02 rubenwardy you'll need to symlink    /var/www to a /home dir
15:02 rubenwardy if you're storing big files there
15:02 rubenwardy also  /var/docker
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15:03 Megaf rubenwardy: I made a custom thing. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000069
15:03 Megaf There will be no web server in this machine either
15:03 Megaf it's dedicated for Minetest
15:04 Megaf s/for/to
15:04 Megaf maybe I will run a cloud storage there
15:06 red-001 what country is the website hosted in?
15:06 rubenwardy which website?
15:07 red-001 minetest.net
15:07 rubenwardy ping minetest.net
15:07 rubenwardy PING minetest.net (89.188.9.43) 56(84) bytes of data.
15:07 rubenwardy Netherlands
15:09 Sokomine Krock: does it? well, then that's fine. guess i ought to use that more often then
15:09 Krock well me too, because I'm not sure what features it has :3
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15:21 Sokomine Krock: seems to be an old mod. we itself seems to have a gui onboard now. i don't know if it helps with setting the positions. what i had in mind was mostly a physical tool for setting pos1 and pos2 and then calling the gui
15:22 rubenwardy > Maybe we should just have a totally unofficial version of the game where everything is more or less merged
15:22 rubenwardy #qualitycontrol
15:22 Krock I smell sarcasm, rubenwardy
15:23 rubenwardy are entities responsible for their own movement, such as gravitY?
15:27 Megaf Folks, any tips for interview I'm having tomorrow for Network/Infrastructure Manager position?
15:39 * Jordach still can't get a fucking job with all these qualifications
15:47 Megaf Jordach: same here. I'm still unemployed
15:47 Jordach done more effort than the chavs jacking off on JAS
15:47 Jordach JSA
15:50 rubenwardy no matter how good you are, there'll always a good chance that there will be someone that came across as slightly better
15:50 rubenwardy so you just need to stack in your favour by applying to as many places without bulk applying
15:53 Megaf That actually makes sense
15:58 red-001 the oldcoder forum topic seems counter productive
15:58 rubenwardy yup
15:58 rubenwardy it's good for it to be publicly known so people aren't too confused by the spam PMs
15:58 rubenwardy but the thread itself is counter productive
15:59 red-001 maybe post an offical statement and close the topic
15:59 Shara red-001: trying to get that to happen
15:59 Shara I also think some clear guidelines should be put in the current thread, and posts that don't follow it should be edited
16:00 Shara A real discussion about the trademark issue would be good, but using it as an means to insult is bad... but my requests have been ignored there
16:01 red-001 I mean from what I can see he is willing to twist anything to make it seem like he is the victim, even people just talking about him
16:02 Shara red-001: but at least when people are not dropping insults, the fact that something has been twisted is a lot more obvious, and would actually show him up for doing that
16:02 Shara Insults are handing ammo
16:02 Jordach hang on
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16:07 red-001 dunno, just from looking at just his site he seems to have twisted having a restraining order filled agaist him into his free speach being gagged
16:07 Jordach fun fact;
16:07 Jordach the first amendment doesn't apply to the internet
16:08 red-001 if you want to be pedantic just point out it only applies to the US
16:08 red-001 and then only the goverment
16:08 Jordach EU doesn't guarantee it
16:09 red-001 people seem to use first amendment as short/long hand for free speach
16:09 red-001 I guess it sounds cooler or something
16:09 Jordach from the government yes, but not from peers
16:10 red-001 europe has the ECHR
16:10 nerzhul hey red-001
16:10 red-001 not sure if the EU requires you to sign it before joining
16:11 red-001 hi nerzhul
16:13 rubenwardy they do
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17:11 Megaf I bloody hate mac
17:11 rubenwardy wow, what a controversial opinion for this channel
17:11 rubenwardy ;)
17:18 Megaf Oo
17:47 benrob0329 TARDIS Mod Idea: Integrate with the Quests mod
17:47 benrob0329 You'll gain experience the more you use the tardis
17:48 benrob0329 Eventually, maybe you'll be able to open the TARDIS..with a snap of your fingers ;-)
17:48 Megaf we have Travelnet already
17:48 Megaf is teh best teleporty thingy in my humble opinion
17:49 Megaf No need for anything else
17:49 benrob0329 Megaf: travelnets are unimpressive, efficient, but unimpressive
17:50 benrob0329 And, they're yellow TARDISes :P
17:50 Megaf Megaf's Debians starter pack
17:50 Megaf apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake
17:50 Megaf first command to run after a clean minimal install
17:51 benrob0329 Benrob0329's *nix Starter Pack:
17:52 Megaf man, I can't believe I have my very own dedicated server now
17:52 Megaf Whole IO and CPU all for myself
17:52 benrob0329 sudo apt/dnf/pacman/xbps-install install/-S blender
17:52 Megaf Happy Megaf is Happy
17:53 Megaf I could pay a gym subscription with the money I'm spending in this dedicated, or ulimited cinema
17:53 Megaf But you got to have your priorities right.
17:53 benrob0329 But pushups are free :-P
17:54 Megaf indeed they are
17:54 Megaf And so is The Pirate Bay
17:54 * Megaf hides
17:56 Megaf s/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake subversion curl
17:57 Megaf irrlicht, sqlite and luajit are compiled from source
18:02 Megaf I have this script that builds irrlicht and sqlite and luajit
18:02 Megaf not sure if it would be wise to build all of them in paralel
18:03 Megaf /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/.​./../../x86_64-linux-gnu/Scrt1.o: In function `_start':
18:03 Megaf (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main'
18:03 Megaf collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
18:03 Megaf Makefile:612: recipe for target 'sqlite3' failed
18:03 Megaf make: *** [sqlite3] Error 1
18:03 Megaf weird ^
18:11 Jordach are you running debian
18:11 Jordach if so what version
18:12 Megaf latest stable
18:13 Megaf 9,
18:13 Megaf I'm running make again with a single job so I can see more clearly the error
18:13 Jordach debian fucked me over with C11 and some of nerzhu l's changes
18:13 Jordach so installed ubuntu server
18:13 Megaf I had this before. I think is some cc flag
18:13 Jordach and have had no issues since
18:14 Megaf I will likely just get latest gcc stable source and build it and then use it to build stuff
18:14 Megaf or clang
18:14 Megaf well, make -j 1 built sqlite stuff
18:14 Megaf make -j 4 failed
18:14 Megaf go figure...
18:18 Megaf well, building the server now
18:19 Megaf building stuff => https://imgur.com/a/ksOLi
18:28 Megaf Yep, Atom is slower than Xeon
18:28 Megaf :P
18:30 rubenwardy yeah, Atom is quite slow to start
18:30 rubenwardy I use Nano when doing something small
18:30 Jordach how does facedir work
18:31 Jordach specifically rotation
18:31 rubenwardy Jordach, black magic
18:31 Megaf rubenwardy: at the moment I just saying regarding building time
18:32 rubenwardy I know :D
18:32 Megaf well, server built
18:35 Jordach rubenwardy, i think i've figured it out
18:37 Megaf !server Megaf Server
18:37 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
18:37 Megaf !server Megaf Server Test Server
18:37 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
18:37 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227
18:37 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30000 is up (11ms)
18:37 Megaf Join please? 5.196.88.227
18:38 Megaf I dont have Minetest here...
18:38 Megaf it's a clean vanilla minetest server with default settings
18:38 Megaf join and I will give all privs
18:41 Megaf Thinkerboard looks very tempting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBxi6Q4XlY
18:47 Jordach rubenwardy, facedir isn't black magic!!!
18:47 Jordach IT'S INSANE
18:47 Jordach i realised how it fucking works
18:47 Jordach you know how a tree has six directions it can be on right
18:48 Jordach up, down, north, south, west, east?
18:48 Jordach then there is a rotation flag where it is rotated on it's axis like a spinning top
18:48 Megaf rubenwardy: sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=10000 run --num-threads=4 on the Atom N200 at KimSufi = 33.41 seconds
18:49 Megaf with 1 thread on my Linode = 13,7 seconds
18:49 Megaf Linode is damn fast
18:50 rubenwardy what clock speed is the Atom at?
18:50 rubenwardy and the linod
18:50 rubenwardy my server gives 3.48s
18:51 Megaf 54.9 seconds on my Raspberry Pi 2
18:51 rubenwardy i3 at Kimsufi
18:51 Megaf rubenwardy: the Atom is running at 1.8 GHz
18:51 rubenwardy i3 is 3.4GHz
18:52 Megaf rubenwardy: 10 seconds on my MacBook Pro with Core2Duo at 2,4 GHz
18:54 Jordach why does set_node refuse to add a block under a players feet
18:54 Jordach eg looking down and jumping
18:55 IhrFussel total time:                          3.6479s (AMD Opteron)
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18:57 Megaf more number of threads doesnt seem to affect in a negative way
18:57 Megaf it's just not faster
18:58 Megaf Those ARM boards are way faster than this Atom CPU...
18:59 Megaf the ODroid and ThinkerBoard
18:59 Megaf Atom really sucks
18:59 IhrFussel Megaf, AMD Opteron 3.6 secs with 4 threads
18:59 Megaf thats impressive
18:59 Megaf way lower clock than the i3 and almost same performance
19:00 Megaf https://youtu.be/8qBxi6Q4XlY?t=535
19:00 rubenwardy Megaf, it's only likely to be faster if you have more core than threads
19:00 rubenwardy or hyperthreading
19:01 rubenwardy 3.52s on my laptop
19:03 IhrFussel 1 thread takes 14 secs on my dedi, 2 threads 11 secs, 3 threads 5 secs , 4 threads 3.6 secs, 5 threads 3.7 secs
19:09 Megaf execution time (avg/stddev):   9.9732/0.00
19:09 Megaf 1 thread, in my Linode
19:12 Megaf sysbench --test=memory run --num-threads=1
19:12 Megaf 8261.30 MiB transferred (826.12 MiB/sec) time elapsed:                        10.0001s
19:12 Megaf for the Linode
19:14 Megaf 28246.73 MiB transferred (2823.64 MiB/sec) Core2Duo 2,4 GHz
19:28 IhrFussel That test took 65 secs on my machine 102400.00 MB transferred (1572.08 MB/sec)
19:30 Megaf KimSufi total time:                          134.4062s
19:31 Megaf 102400.00 MB transferred (761.87 MB/sec)
19:37 IhrFussel What's the optimal parameters to test my file IO values?
19:40 Jordach how do i get the buildable_to flag in nodes
19:41 sfan5 (minetest.registered_nodes[node.name] or {}).buildable_to
19:42 Jordach was about to do that
20:01 red-001 can someone just lock the oldcoder topic? It's just going to fuel him and whatever passes for logic in his mind.
20:12 sofar Hi red-001
20:12 sofar we missed you!
20:12 red-001 yeah long time no see
20:18 shivajiva I think we have to deal with it there, locking the topic won't help, who knows what the title of the next one will be. It needs moderating properly though, links and personal remarks can't be allowed to turn it to a circus
20:24 Aerozoic HA, anybody else notice in the craft guide the image for carts is upside down?
20:24 Aerozoic Oops, i meant on mobile version only ^
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20:50 Fixer e x p a n d i n g  m e m o r y
21:00 * benrob0329 contemplates redoing the book texture
21:28 * Jordach laughs
21:30 Jordach i wrote my own facedir placement system that doesn't suck balls like a pachinko machine
22:20 benrob0329 I kinda wish that generated normalmaps were removed, or at least renamed to "Generated Normalmaps"
22:20 benrob0329 They really do look bad on a lot of stuff
22:24 IhrFussel That's weird...I thought you cannot take privs from the admin...or does it work via minetest.set_privs() without /revoke ?
22:34 Calinou benrob0329: generated normalmaps aren't meant to be used seriously, yeah
22:39 Jordach IhrFussel, if name = name in minetest.conf, they have full access and cannot be revoked
22:39 Jordach ever
22:40 IhrFussel Jordach, then I wonder why /revoke name fly takes my priv as admin
22:40 Calinou Jordach: "name" should be renamed to "dictator" to fully reflect this behavior
22:40 * Calinou hides
22:40 Jordach phillips hue
22:40 rubenwardy Jordach, false
22:40 rubenwardy they now have the same access as  singleplayer
22:41 rubenwardy because of the creative privilege bullshit
22:41 * Jordach only has one mode
22:41 Jordach survival
22:43 Fixer yeah, I noticed that creative thing is kinda ~~~~
22:43 Fixer not ~~~~, but somewhat unconsistent
22:45 Fixer https://www.atarimagazines.c​om/compute/issue54/111-1.jpg
22:52 IhrFussel rubenwardy, my server uses 0.4.16 stable and I'm able to revoke my privs...is that really intended?
22:54 IhrFussel Could it be a side effect from sauth??
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22:55 IhrFussel I recebtly started using sauth on my server...maybe that's related
22:55 IhrFussel recently*
22:58 Shara IhrFussel: just tested on a server with and a server without sauth, and it does appear to be sauth related
22:58 Shara shivajiva: ^ bug for you
23:08 IhrFussel Shara, thanks for checking^^ It can only be sauth cause I recall I tried to revoke my privs a few weeks ago (before using sauth) and it never worked ... I noticed it because there is a command on my server that disables certain privs to play fair and it suddenly affected me
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23:20 Megaf Shara: I'm giving a Crash Course on Linux tomorrow :)
23:20 Shara Giving to who?
23:21 Megaf I'm thinking about first defining what Linux actually is, definitions of Kernel, Operating System and User Land
23:21 Megaf Then brief history on the mother distros
23:21 Megaf And showing how to install a Linux distro, during the install I will talk about file systems and root structure
23:22 Megaf Finishing speaking about package management and then maybe some terminal commands
23:22 Megaf Shara: to a lecturer on my college
23:22 Shara Nice
23:22 * Shara would come listen, but probably can't travel that far on short notice :P
23:22 Megaf hah
23:23 Megaf You could totally make in time. It will be around 15:30
23:24 Megaf It will be my first lecture on Linux, I think it's nice it will be one to one for this first one.
23:27 Megaf Shara: but what you think about the strucure for the lecture? As writen above.
23:28 Shara It seems to make sense.
23:30 Megaf I will be using the expert install mode of Debian, so the installer will also give a nice skeleton for topics to talk about
23:30 benrob0329 Megaf: maybe mention UNIX somewhere as the inspiration for it
23:30 Megaf So it will cover for instance, user creation
23:30 benrob0329 Oh, and Linus's original post :P
23:31 Megaf benrob0329: sure will do, will speak briefly about UNIX, Sun OS, BSD and Minix
23:31 benrob0329 👍
23:31 Megaf I think with those I cover teh whole UNIX tree
23:32 benrob0329 Minus OSX, but I wouldn't blame you for leaving that out
23:32 Megaf Actually, macOS is BSD
23:32 benrob0329 Maybe a side note that FreeBSD's userland was forked by Apple
23:33 Megaf So I might make short notes on the things that came from those 4 origins
23:33 benrob0329 Cool
23:33 Megaf from SunOS we have Solaris, OpenSolaris, Open Indiana and Nexenta OS
23:34 Megaf from BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, NeXT Step,
23:34 benrob0329 can't really complain, your being thorough
23:34 Megaf from NeXT Step there's Open Step and then Mac OS X
23:34 benrob0329 DragonFlyBSD, TrueOS
23:34 Megaf but the lecture is on Linux,
23:34 Megaf DragonFly is FreeBSD
23:34 benrob0329 Sort of
23:34 Megaf and TrueOS I'm not sure, FreeBSD too?
23:35 benrob0329 Its a fork
23:35 Megaf yep, but again, it's about Linux
23:35 benrob0329 TrueOS is definitely FreeBSD
23:35 Megaf that's why I'm only mentioning the 4 major origins and some of it's ramifications
23:35 benrob0329 Its literally FreeBSD with extra tools afaik
23:37 benrob0329 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia​/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png
23:37 benrob0329 Megaf: ^^
23:37 Megaf benrob0329: I know that :)
23:37 Megaf will use duckduckgo images to ilustrate some stuff
23:37 benrob0329 Just giving you a slide :P
23:38 Megaf oh, there's AIX too
23:38 Megaf I should mention AIX I think, still quite relevant
23:41 Megaf I did't prepare anything, like slides or anything. I will just have some USB flash and ISO and VMs
23:42 Megaf Though I've been structuring the thing on my had for the past week
23:55 Megaf I didnt make slides because I will be using a whiteboard
23:59 Megaf :+1:
23:59 Megaf hm
23:59 Megaf benrob0329: how did you make the thumbs up?

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