| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
Folks, I think I will get this KS-3C at https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
What you think? |
| 00:37 |
Megaf |
KS-3C Intel i3-2130 2c/4t 3.4GHz 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz 2TB 100 Mbps /128 $21.99 |
| 00:39 |
sfan5 |
no gbit? |
| 00:39 |
sfan5 |
good for that price though |
| 00:40 |
rubenwardy |
that's the one I have! |
| 00:40 |
rubenwardy |
very happy with it |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
thats basically my PC |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
._________________. |
| 00:40 |
rubenwardy |
shame that there's no SSD though |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
Megaf: 22$ per year? |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
month... |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
o_o |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
It would be a super upgrade from my current 1 GB ram, one core and 20 GB disk for 10 USD/month |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
test-driving digall mod: https://github.com/tacigar/minetest-digall |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
very useful for builders |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
needs polishing though |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: you happy with them, really? What did you have before? |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
Megaf: holy crap, those prices are insane |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
Megaf: 1core/1gb/20gb, i feel back to 2001 |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
Fixer: and it's dedicated. The whole hardware just for yourself. |
| 00:42 |
Fixer |
Megaf: dedicated POS |
| 00:43 |
Fixer |
Megaf: i would rather buy god damn PC and use it as server, will be cheaper and faster |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
I have no idea how I will migrate all my infrastructure from Linode to KimSufi though |
| 00:43 |
rubenwardy |
Fixer, most people don't have commercial internet connections |
| 00:43 |
Fixer |
and host from home |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
will have to adjust a lot of DNS stuff |
| 00:43 |
rubenwardy |
also, it's really not a POS |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
POS? |
| 00:43 |
rubenwardy |
it's very good, minus having a HHD |
| 00:43 |
Fixer |
piece of ---- |
| 00:43 |
Shara |
Fixer: some of us have to pay more than that just for an internet connection :) |
| 00:44 |
Fixer |
unless you have bad upload speed on your home ISP |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
Fixer: unstable internet here alone is 20 EUR/Month |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
plus electricity bills |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
plus hardware price |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
and would have to by an UPS. And make RAID for redundancy |
| 00:45 |
Megaf |
I think 22 USD/Month for that hardware is a bargain |
| 00:47 |
Shara |
Megaf: Yup. It's what I plan to look at if I ever need more space |
| 00:48 |
Megaf |
Shara: the main reason my server is down at the moment is because I ran out of space... |
| 00:49 |
Shara |
Space and ever inflating map sizes... My biggest worry. |
| 00:52 |
Fixer |
Shara: with minetest you can downsize a lot, like doing 4096x4096x4096 map |
| 00:52 |
Fixer |
pregenerated one |
| 00:52 |
Fixer |
with weekly archive via unexplore script |
| 00:53 |
Shara |
Fixer: I've already limited mapsize |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
Terrible for serious playing ^ |
| 00:53 |
Shara |
But sitting at 16GB |
| 00:53 |
Shara |
And given that most surface area is built on, it's pretty difficult to find safe ways to reduce it |
| 00:54 |
Fixer |
Megaf: not really ;) Slice the world into many *dimensions* *cough* |
| 00:54 |
Fixer |
say 1000 nodes per dimension vertically |
| 00:55 |
Fixer |
with their own different biome parameters/altitudes/heat/etc |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
So you don't have players building gigantic underground structures and extensive network of tunels dug into stone |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
if I use unexplore thing in my server I will wipe out so much stuff |
| 00:57 |
Fixer |
Megaf: you can teleport player to continuation of the slice in some way |
| 00:58 |
Fixer |
Megaf: iirc you can set "triggers" for unexplore to capture mapblocks, say if they have a torch, or cobble |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
Nope, not safe |
| 00:59 |
Fixer |
or other signs of activity |
| 01:02 |
Shara |
Fixer: everything I read and looked at for this just tells me it would have to destroy or damage things in order to be useful |
| 01:03 |
Fixer |
yep, it may destroy some carved parts |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
And since the map is so big and there is so much content, it's not like I can test it then make sure everything is okay |
| 01:03 |
Fixer |
say tunnels |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
Yup.. and my players spent endless hours created nice tunnel networks. |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
Not talking about mines either, since this is creative |
| 01:07 |
Fixer |
iirc minecraft classic had 2048x2048 maximum map size |
| 01:08 |
Shara |
Not really relevant |
| 01:09 |
Shara |
Have a reasonable number of players on a server... run it for years... map simply gets big unless you are happy to lose things |
| 01:10 |
rubenwardy |
ideally Minetest would if a chunk has been modified |
| 01:10 |
rubenwardy |
and then either not save it if it has |
| 01:10 |
Shara |
would...? |
| 01:10 |
rubenwardy |
+remember |
| 01:10 |
Shara |
:) |
| 01:10 |
Shara |
Yea |
| 01:12 |
rubenwardy |
there's a lot of sentences that start with "ideally Minetest would" or "Minetest should" though |
| 01:12 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: krock used to have a mod on his server that limited the area players could explore. it wasn't a problem ingame but helped reduce map size. perhaps that's something for you as well? |
| 01:13 |
Megaf |
well, my ssd is full already, there's not much I can do about it now |
| 01:13 |
Megaf |
But I don't really mind about having a huge world |
| 01:13 |
Megaf |
I just need a decent server hardware.. |
| 01:14 |
Sokomine |
Shara: hmm. what i rescued from redcrabs server was (compressed) not much more than 100 mb. and i was pretty sure that i got most. and that server ran for years. still, maps on servers tend to grow huge |
| 01:15 |
Shara |
Sokomine: I can't find a safe way to reduce it. |
| 01:15 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: but those classic servers had several maps between which players could travel |
| 01:16 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: oh yes. would love to have something that stores weather anything of intrest (=player did something) ever happened in a mpablock or not |
| 01:16 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: hmm, i'm afraid you're right with that "ideally...should...if i ever get the time" :/ |
| 01:17 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: how long has your world been running? |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
5 years |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
it's 5 GB |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
and several thousands of players |
| 01:17 |
Sokomine |
that's almost acceptable for 5 years |
| 01:18 |
Shara |
2 years and 16 GB here... |
| 01:19 |
Sokomine |
Shara: need to get your players to stay more in one place :-) |
| 01:19 |
Shara |
Impossible. |
| 01:19 |
Sokomine |
but there's admittedly been built a lot. and very good things |
| 01:19 |
Shara |
They build too much! |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
well, my server has been sleeping for the last 2 years |
| 01:20 |
Sokomine |
:-) treat them less well. other servers try that desperately :) |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
almost no activity in the past 2 years and very little in the last 3 years |
| 01:20 |
Shara |
Sokomine: Certain people seem to already think I am a terrible admin! |
| 01:20 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: that certainly helps reduce map size |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 01:21 |
Sokomine |
Shara: :) guess that's a misunderstanding. you two are very similar in what you'd consider acceptable on your servers. it's just a tiny piece of the spectrum you're looking at where views vary slightly |
| 01:21 |
Fixer |
truecraft repo archived by its owner. now read only mode. RIP |
| 01:22 |
Sokomine |
or maybe things worded differently |
| 01:22 |
Shara |
Not sure who else you mean by "you two" |
| 01:22 |
Sokomine |
what was/is truecraft? |
| 01:23 |
Fixer |
gn |
| 01:24 |
Calinou |
Sokomine: TrueCraft is a C# reimplementation of Minecraft Beta 1.7.3 |
| 01:33 |
IhrFussel |
Do you even consider the power bill when hostiong from home?? My PC isn't even a gaming one and costs ~ $20 per month JUST for power |
| 01:34 |
IhrFussel |
And i shut it down 12 hours per day ... so 24/7 would mean $40 per month elictricity |
| 01:35 |
IhrFussel |
So my dedi @ $25 per month saves me *lots* of money |
| 01:41 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: aah. thank you |
| 01:42 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: do you know how well it runs on less good graphics cards? my machine can't handle mc due to it only having an igp. perhaps that truecraft could? i'd really like to take a look at what mc is like. just for comparison |
| 02:02 |
Megaf |
Good night all |
| 02:08 |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: Dec-09 14:04 UTC <Megaf> Hi paramat, I can remove the thumbs up but I can't remove the code review approvals. Which one should I stop using? |
| 02:08 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: Dec-09 14:05 UTC <ThomasMonroe> hey paramat, I finished #6702; got rid of the caps except for the abbreviations |
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| 04:24 |
sofar |
hmm, a few more users of the Public Remote Media Server! Good! |
| 04:24 |
sofar |
keep em coming! Hasn't cost me anything yet! |
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| 11:20 |
Megaf |
Good morning |
| 11:21 |
Krock |
o/ Megaf |
| 11:21 |
Megaf |
\o |
| 11:22 |
Megaf |
I will be in Frankfurt on 17th Dec |
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| 12:24 |
Megaf |
https://jalopnik.com/the-mclaren-senna-is-an-uncompromising-track-car-here-t-1821156628 |
| 12:25 |
Megaf |
It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna |
| 12:26 |
Krock |
"impressive 789 horsepower and 590 lb-ft of torque" |
| 12:26 |
Krock |
thanks you imperials |
| 12:30 |
Megaf |
it looks like the old NSX |
| 12:30 |
Megaf |
https://images.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/width/640/media/5830946/Honda%20NSX%20(1).jpg |
| 12:30 |
Megaf |
which makes sense if you think about it |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GOEorrE4mY |
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| 12:46 |
Calinou |
sofar: heh, it's a nice idea to have a public remote_media server |
| 12:46 |
Calinou |
I never thought of this :P |
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| 12:46 |
Calinou |
some Quake-derived games also have public Web servers available for map downloads |
| 12:46 |
Calinou |
e.g. http://xonotic.co/ |
| 12:46 |
Fixer |
urban terror |
| 12:47 |
Fixer |
as usual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ |
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| 12:59 |
Calinou |
yeah, Urban Terror has a public map server hosted by sebsauvage |
| 12:59 |
Calinou |
(zerobin author) |
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| 13:40 |
lisac |
<Megaf> It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna |
| 13:40 |
lisac |
I was reconsidering my life after I misread that as Santa |
| 13:40 |
Megaf |
hah! |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: creating account at KimSurf right now |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
waiting for confirmation email |
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Megaf |
s/kimsurf/kimsufi |
| 14:01 |
* Calinou |
imagines a surfing Kim Dotcom |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
lmao |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
I have no idea what you talking about, thoug I find if funny |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: So, I'm going from 20 GB SSD to 2 x 1 TB HDD, just ordered my dedicated |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
I guess I will have no issues with disk space anymore |
| 14:03 |
Krock |
depends if you want to start a file hosting service or not |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
I will keep my Linode VPS for my personal website and Git server and leave KimSufi for Minetest. |
| 14:03 |
Megaf |
Krock: Will make a cloud yes, but just for family |
| 14:04 |
Megaf |
Maybe using NextCloud or maybe some Torrent based thing |
| 14:17 |
Krock |
Sorry for digging this out again.. but can we try to rescue the rare item (Nyan Cat) idea again? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1647#issuecomment-288147673 |
| 14:18 |
Krock |
GNU/Gnu looks very promising - and seems to have a better rating than the PB&J pup |
| 14:19 |
paramat |
cyan-cat |
| 14:23 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: sounds fine :-) ought to be fast enough |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: I'm not sure is going to be fast. I'm going for an Atom |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
but four core. So mapgen should be fast enough |
| 14:24 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: atom..hm. and then you want to run 3 mt servers on it? not sure if that's going to work welll |
| 14:25 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: right now it will run only my main and current server ;) |
| 14:25 |
Krock |
depends on their single thread performance |
| 14:25 |
Megaf |
that's the priority |
| 14:26 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: had a look at the videos about tools you mentionned. i'm not sure about how useful those tools would actually be. the first one seems to place 5 blocks in a row (or more for the more expensive ones). i fear a bit that that'd lead to even more ugly cobble boxes. for creative building, worldedit is usually pretty good |
| 14:27 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: a tool for setting worldedit positions might perhaps be more helpful. the tool could set pos1 and pos2, and when clicking on pos3, offer a formspec of what can be done with that volume |
| 14:33 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: How do configure SSH/remote access to my kimsufi? :P |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
Sokomine, isn't that what worldedit_gui does? |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf: ssh-copy-id username host |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
and then disable passwords |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
it tells you your password to login |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
you should: |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
1. login with root password and change it |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
2. make a new user account, say "Megaf" |
| 14:49 |
rubenwardy |
3. usermod -aG sudo megaf |
| 14:49 |
rubenwardy |
4. use ssh-copy-id to send key up to megaf |
| 14:49 |
rubenwardy |
5. as root, disable password authentication in /etc/sshd/sshd.conf |
| 14:49 |
rubenwardy |
then to login again, you'd do ssh megafhost, and then sudo su to go into root (with megaf's password) |
| 14:50 |
rubenwardy |
alternatively you can just ssh-copy-id on root and log straight into it |
| 14:51 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I didnt set a root password anywhere |
| 14:51 |
Megaf |
that's the problem |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
it'll be in the dashboard or an email |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: oh, it was in my email, thanks |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 14:53 |
Megaf |
hm, ssh delay is very good, pretty non existent |
| 14:55 |
Megaf |
/dev/sda3 1.8T 33M 1.8T 1% /home |
| 14:55 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 14:55 |
Megaf |
I never had so much space in my whole life |
| 14:55 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
total used free shared buff/cache available |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
Mem: 3938 86 3395 5 456 3626 |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
o/ |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: thanks for the tip, ssh-copy-id, I didn't remember about that |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
And I'm not using sudo ;) |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
be careful: they mount / on 20GB |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
you'll need to symlink /var/www to a /home dir |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
if you're storing big files there |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
also /var/docker |
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| 15:03 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I made a custom thing. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000069 |
| 15:03 |
Megaf |
There will be no web server in this machine either |
| 15:03 |
Megaf |
it's dedicated for Minetest |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
s/for/to |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
maybe I will run a cloud storage there |
| 15:06 |
red-001 |
what country is the website hosted in? |
| 15:06 |
rubenwardy |
which website? |
| 15:07 |
red-001 |
minetest.net |
| 15:07 |
rubenwardy |
ping minetest.net |
| 15:07 |
rubenwardy |
PING minetest.net (89.188.9.43) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:07 |
rubenwardy |
Netherlands |
| 15:09 |
Sokomine |
Krock: does it? well, then that's fine. guess i ought to use that more often then |
| 15:09 |
Krock |
well me too, because I'm not sure what features it has :3 |
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| 15:21 |
Sokomine |
Krock: seems to be an old mod. we itself seems to have a gui onboard now. i don't know if it helps with setting the positions. what i had in mind was mostly a physical tool for setting pos1 and pos2 and then calling the gui |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
> Maybe we should just have a totally unofficial version of the game where everything is more or less merged |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
#qualitycontrol |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
I smell sarcasm, rubenwardy |
| 15:23 |
rubenwardy |
are entities responsible for their own movement, such as gravitY? |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
Folks, any tips for interview I'm having tomorrow for Network/Infrastructure Manager position? |
| 15:39 |
* Jordach |
still can't get a fucking job with all these qualifications |
| 15:47 |
Megaf |
Jordach: same here. I'm still unemployed |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
done more effort than the chavs jacking off on JAS |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
JSA |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
no matter how good you are, there'll always a good chance that there will be someone that came across as slightly better |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
so you just need to stack in your favour by applying to as many places without bulk applying |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
That actually makes sense |
| 15:58 |
red-001 |
the oldcoder forum topic seems counter productive |
| 15:58 |
rubenwardy |
yup |
| 15:58 |
rubenwardy |
it's good for it to be publicly known so people aren't too confused by the spam PMs |
| 15:58 |
rubenwardy |
but the thread itself is counter productive |
| 15:59 |
red-001 |
maybe post an offical statement and close the topic |
| 15:59 |
Shara |
red-001: trying to get that to happen |
| 15:59 |
Shara |
I also think some clear guidelines should be put in the current thread, and posts that don't follow it should be edited |
| 16:00 |
Shara |
A real discussion about the trademark issue would be good, but using it as an means to insult is bad... but my requests have been ignored there |
| 16:01 |
red-001 |
I mean from what I can see he is willing to twist anything to make it seem like he is the victim, even people just talking about him |
| 16:02 |
Shara |
red-001: but at least when people are not dropping insults, the fact that something has been twisted is a lot more obvious, and would actually show him up for doing that |
| 16:02 |
Shara |
Insults are handing ammo |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
hang on |
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| 16:07 |
red-001 |
dunno, just from looking at just his site he seems to have twisted having a restraining order filled agaist him into his free speach being gagged |
| 16:07 |
Jordach |
fun fact; |
| 16:07 |
Jordach |
the first amendment doesn't apply to the internet |
| 16:08 |
red-001 |
if you want to be pedantic just point out it only applies to the US |
| 16:08 |
red-001 |
and then only the goverment |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
EU doesn't guarantee it |
| 16:09 |
red-001 |
people seem to use first amendment as short/long hand for free speach |
| 16:09 |
red-001 |
I guess it sounds cooler or something |
| 16:09 |
Jordach |
from the government yes, but not from peers |
| 16:10 |
red-001 |
europe has the ECHR |
| 16:10 |
nerzhul |
hey red-001 |
| 16:10 |
red-001 |
not sure if the EU requires you to sign it before joining |
| 16:11 |
red-001 |
hi nerzhul |
| 16:13 |
rubenwardy |
they do |
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| 17:11 |
Megaf |
I bloody hate mac |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
wow, what a controversial opinion for this channel |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
;) |
| 17:18 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 17:47 |
benrob0329 |
TARDIS Mod Idea: Integrate with the Quests mod |
| 17:47 |
benrob0329 |
You'll gain experience the more you use the tardis |
| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
Eventually, maybe you'll be able to open the TARDIS..with a snap of your fingers ;-) |
| 17:48 |
Megaf |
we have Travelnet already |
| 17:48 |
Megaf |
is teh best teleporty thingy in my humble opinion |
| 17:49 |
Megaf |
No need for anything else |
| 17:49 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: travelnets are unimpressive, efficient, but unimpressive |
| 17:50 |
benrob0329 |
And, they're yellow TARDISes :P |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
Megaf's Debians starter pack |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
first command to run after a clean minimal install |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
Benrob0329's *nix Starter Pack: |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
man, I can't believe I have my very own dedicated server now |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
Whole IO and CPU all for myself |
| 17:52 |
benrob0329 |
sudo apt/dnf/pacman/xbps-install install/-S blender |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
Happy Megaf is Happy |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
I could pay a gym subscription with the money I'm spending in this dedicated, or ulimited cinema |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
But you got to have your priorities right. |
| 17:53 |
benrob0329 |
But pushups are free :-P |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
indeed they are |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
And so is The Pirate Bay |
| 17:54 |
* Megaf |
hides |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
s/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake subversion curl |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
irrlicht, sqlite and luajit are compiled from source |
| 18:02 |
Megaf |
I have this script that builds irrlicht and sqlite and luajit |
| 18:02 |
Megaf |
not sure if it would be wise to build all of them in paralel |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/Scrt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
(.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main' |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
Makefile:612: recipe for target 'sqlite3' failed |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
make: *** [sqlite3] Error 1 |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
weird ^ |
| 18:11 |
Jordach |
are you running debian |
| 18:11 |
Jordach |
if so what version |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
latest stable |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
9, |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
I'm running make again with a single job so I can see more clearly the error |
| 18:13 |
Jordach |
debian fucked me over with C11 and some of nerzhu l's changes |
| 18:13 |
Jordach |
so installed ubuntu server |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
I had this before. I think is some cc flag |
| 18:13 |
Jordach |
and have had no issues since |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
I will likely just get latest gcc stable source and build it and then use it to build stuff |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
or clang |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
well, make -j 1 built sqlite stuff |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
make -j 4 failed |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
go figure... |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
well, building the server now |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
building stuff => https://imgur.com/a/ksOLi |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
Yep, Atom is slower than Xeon |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, Atom is quite slow to start |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
I use Nano when doing something small |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
how does facedir work |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
specifically rotation |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach, black magic |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: at the moment I just saying regarding building time |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
I know :D |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
well, server built |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, i think i've figured it out |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf Server |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf Server Test Server |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
!up 5.196.88.227 |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
5.196.88.227:30000 is up (11ms) |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
Join please? 5.196.88.227 |
| 18:38 |
Megaf |
I dont have Minetest here... |
| 18:38 |
Megaf |
it's a clean vanilla minetest server with default settings |
| 18:38 |
Megaf |
join and I will give all privs |
| 18:41 |
Megaf |
Thinkerboard looks very tempting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBxi6Q4XlY |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, facedir isn't black magic!!! |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
IT'S INSANE |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
i realised how it fucking works |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
you know how a tree has six directions it can be on right |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
up, down, north, south, west, east? |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
then there is a rotation flag where it is rotated on it's axis like a spinning top |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=10000 run --num-threads=4 on the Atom N200 at KimSufi = 33.41 seconds |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
with 1 thread on my Linode = 13,7 seconds |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
Linode is damn fast |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
what clock speed is the Atom at? |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
and the linod |
| 18:50 |
rubenwardy |
my server gives 3.48s |
| 18:51 |
Megaf |
54.9 seconds on my Raspberry Pi 2 |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
i3 at Kimsufi |
| 18:51 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: the Atom is running at 1.8 GHz |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
i3 is 3.4GHz |
| 18:52 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: 10 seconds on my MacBook Pro with Core2Duo at 2,4 GHz |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
why does set_node refuse to add a block under a players feet |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
eg looking down and jumping |
| 18:55 |
IhrFussel |
total time: 3.6479s (AMD Opteron) |
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| 18:57 |
Megaf |
more number of threads doesnt seem to affect in a negative way |
| 18:57 |
Megaf |
it's just not faster |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
Those ARM boards are way faster than this Atom CPU... |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
the ODroid and ThinkerBoard |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
Atom really sucks |
| 18:59 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, AMD Opteron 3.6 secs with 4 threads |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
thats impressive |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
way lower clock than the i3 and almost same performance |
| 19:00 |
Megaf |
https://youtu.be/8qBxi6Q4XlY?t=535 |
| 19:00 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, it's only likely to be faster if you have more core than threads |
| 19:00 |
rubenwardy |
or hyperthreading |
| 19:01 |
rubenwardy |
3.52s on my laptop |
| 19:03 |
IhrFussel |
1 thread takes 14 secs on my dedi, 2 threads 11 secs, 3 threads 5 secs , 4 threads 3.6 secs, 5 threads 3.7 secs |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
execution time (avg/stddev): 9.9732/0.00 |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
1 thread, in my Linode |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
sysbench --test=memory run --num-threads=1 |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
8261.30 MiB transferred (826.12 MiB/sec) time elapsed: 10.0001s |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
for the Linode |
| 19:14 |
Megaf |
28246.73 MiB transferred (2823.64 MiB/sec) Core2Duo 2,4 GHz |
| 19:28 |
IhrFussel |
That test took 65 secs on my machine 102400.00 MB transferred (1572.08 MB/sec) |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
KimSufi total time: 134.4062s |
| 19:31 |
Megaf |
102400.00 MB transferred (761.87 MB/sec) |
| 19:37 |
IhrFussel |
What's the optimal parameters to test my file IO values? |
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
how do i get the buildable_to flag in nodes |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
(minetest.registered_nodes[node.name] or {}).buildable_to |
| 19:42 |
Jordach |
was about to do that |
| 20:01 |
red-001 |
can someone just lock the oldcoder topic? It's just going to fuel him and whatever passes for logic in his mind. |
| 20:12 |
sofar |
Hi red-001 |
| 20:12 |
sofar |
we missed you! |
| 20:12 |
red-001 |
yeah long time no see |
| 20:18 |
shivajiva |
I think we have to deal with it there, locking the topic won't help, who knows what the title of the next one will be. It needs moderating properly though, links and personal remarks can't be allowed to turn it to a circus |
| 20:24 |
Aerozoic |
HA, anybody else notice in the craft guide the image for carts is upside down? |
| 20:24 |
Aerozoic |
Oops, i meant on mobile version only ^ |
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| 20:50 |
Fixer |
e x p a n d i n g m e m o r y |
| 21:00 |
* benrob0329 |
contemplates redoing the book texture |
| 21:28 |
* Jordach |
laughs |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
i wrote my own facedir placement system that doesn't suck balls like a pachinko machine |
| 22:20 |
benrob0329 |
I kinda wish that generated normalmaps were removed, or at least renamed to "Generated Normalmaps" |
| 22:20 |
benrob0329 |
They really do look bad on a lot of stuff |
| 22:24 |
IhrFussel |
That's weird...I thought you cannot take privs from the admin...or does it work via minetest.set_privs() without /revoke ? |
| 22:34 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: generated normalmaps aren't meant to be used seriously, yeah |
| 22:39 |
Jordach |
IhrFussel, if name = name in minetest.conf, they have full access and cannot be revoked |
| 22:39 |
Jordach |
ever |
| 22:40 |
IhrFussel |
Jordach, then I wonder why /revoke name fly takes my priv as admin |
| 22:40 |
Calinou |
Jordach: "name" should be renamed to "dictator" to fully reflect this behavior |
| 22:40 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 22:40 |
Jordach |
phillips hue |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach, false |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
they now have the same access as singleplayer |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
because of the creative privilege bullshit |
| 22:41 |
* Jordach |
only has one mode |
| 22:41 |
Jordach |
survival |
| 22:43 |
Fixer |
yeah, I noticed that creative thing is kinda ~~~~ |
| 22:43 |
Fixer |
not ~~~~, but somewhat unconsistent |
| 22:45 |
Fixer |
https://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue54/111-1.jpg |
| 22:52 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, my server uses 0.4.16 stable and I'm able to revoke my privs...is that really intended? |
| 22:54 |
IhrFussel |
Could it be a side effect from sauth?? |
| 22:55 |
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| 22:55 |
IhrFussel |
I recebtly started using sauth on my server...maybe that's related |
| 22:55 |
IhrFussel |
recently* |
| 22:58 |
Shara |
IhrFussel: just tested on a server with and a server without sauth, and it does appear to be sauth related |
| 22:58 |
Shara |
shivajiva: ^ bug for you |
| 23:08 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, thanks for checking^^ It can only be sauth cause I recall I tried to revoke my privs a few weeks ago (before using sauth) and it never worked ... I noticed it because there is a command on my server that disables certain privs to play fair and it suddenly affected me |
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| 23:20 |
Megaf |
Shara: I'm giving a Crash Course on Linux tomorrow :) |
| 23:20 |
Shara |
Giving to who? |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
I'm thinking about first defining what Linux actually is, definitions of Kernel, Operating System and User Land |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
Then brief history on the mother distros |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
And showing how to install a Linux distro, during the install I will talk about file systems and root structure |
| 23:22 |
Megaf |
Finishing speaking about package management and then maybe some terminal commands |
| 23:22 |
Megaf |
Shara: to a lecturer on my college |
| 23:22 |
Shara |
Nice |
| 23:22 |
* Shara |
would come listen, but probably can't travel that far on short notice :P |
| 23:22 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
You could totally make in time. It will be around 15:30 |
| 23:24 |
Megaf |
It will be my first lecture on Linux, I think it's nice it will be one to one for this first one. |
| 23:27 |
Megaf |
Shara: but what you think about the strucure for the lecture? As writen above. |
| 23:28 |
Shara |
It seems to make sense. |
| 23:30 |
Megaf |
I will be using the expert install mode of Debian, so the installer will also give a nice skeleton for topics to talk about |
| 23:30 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: maybe mention UNIX somewhere as the inspiration for it |
| 23:30 |
Megaf |
So it will cover for instance, user creation |
| 23:30 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, and Linus's original post :P |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: sure will do, will speak briefly about UNIX, Sun OS, BSD and Minix |
| 23:31 |
benrob0329 |
👠|
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
I think with those I cover teh whole UNIX tree |
| 23:32 |
benrob0329 |
Minus OSX, but I wouldn't blame you for leaving that out |
| 23:32 |
Megaf |
Actually, macOS is BSD |
| 23:32 |
benrob0329 |
Maybe a side note that FreeBSD's userland was forked by Apple |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
So I might make short notes on the things that came from those 4 origins |
| 23:33 |
benrob0329 |
Cool |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
from SunOS we have Solaris, OpenSolaris, Open Indiana and Nexenta OS |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
from BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, NeXT Step, |
| 23:34 |
benrob0329 |
can't really complain, your being thorough |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
from NeXT Step there's Open Step and then Mac OS X |
| 23:34 |
benrob0329 |
DragonFlyBSD, TrueOS |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
but the lecture is on Linux, |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
DragonFly is FreeBSD |
| 23:34 |
benrob0329 |
Sort of |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
and TrueOS I'm not sure, FreeBSD too? |
| 23:35 |
benrob0329 |
Its a fork |
| 23:35 |
Megaf |
yep, but again, it's about Linux |
| 23:35 |
benrob0329 |
TrueOS is definitely FreeBSD |
| 23:35 |
Megaf |
that's why I'm only mentioning the 4 major origins and some of it's ramifications |
| 23:35 |
benrob0329 |
Its literally FreeBSD with extra tools afaik |
| 23:37 |
benrob0329 |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png |
| 23:37 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: ^^ |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: I know that :) |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
will use duckduckgo images to ilustrate some stuff |
| 23:37 |
benrob0329 |
Just giving you a slide :P |
| 23:38 |
Megaf |
oh, there's AIX too |
| 23:38 |
Megaf |
I should mention AIX I think, still quite relevant |
| 23:41 |
Megaf |
I did't prepare anything, like slides or anything. I will just have some USB flash and ISO and VMs |
| 23:42 |
Megaf |
Though I've been structuring the thing on my had for the past week |
| 23:55 |
Megaf |
I didnt make slides because I will be using a whiteboard |
| 23:59 |
Megaf |
:+1: |
| 23:59 |
Megaf |
hm |
| 23:59 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: how did you make the thumbs up? |
