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11:27 * Jordach has an idea
11:27 Jordach instead of manually updating subgames, can't we just use the old mod downloder
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12:36 IhrFussel Is this person serious? Or do I just not get the joke? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&t=18942
12:44 CWz how does one state a local variable without a value?
12:44 Amaz local x
12:44 Amaz Should work
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13:15 CWz how to check if the hitter is a player
13:21 Raven262 IhrFussel, I did see them on ITB, they seemed pretty determined.
13:21 Raven262 So i guess it is kind of a joke?
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13:37 tenplus1 hi folks
13:37 Mr_Pardison morning.
13:37 tenplus1 heyas :) how's things ?
13:38 Mr_Pardison I gave up on mint.
13:38 Mr_Pardison too much like xfce
13:39 tenplus1 cinnamon ?
13:39 rubenwardy <3 xfce
13:39 rubenwardy good with a theme
13:39 rubenwardy not so good without
13:39 ThomasMonroe Mr_Pardison, xfce is just a window manager
13:39 tenplus1 hi ruben, also yeah :) xfce is good, I oprefer LXDE tho
13:39 tenplus1 hi thomas
13:39 Mr_Pardison fine.
13:39 Mr_Pardison just the feel of it wasn't me.
13:39 Mr_Pardison neither cinnamon or mate.
13:39 tenplus1 Mr_Pardison: here's my LXDE desktop: https://imgur.com/a/mnUg1
13:39 Mr_Pardison I'm goign with Fedora.
13:40 tenplus1 *shudder*
13:40 rubenwardy slightly nsfw
13:40 * Mr_Pardison sighs
13:40 rubenwardy one of those anime lovers I see
13:40 * rubenwardy sighs
13:40 tenplus1 o.O
13:40 Mr_Pardison O.o
13:41 rubenwardy O.O
13:41 tenplus1 -.O
13:41 * Mr_Pardison pulls out a great horned owl
13:41 tenplus1 something in mah eye
13:41 Mr_Pardison sadness.
13:41 tenplus1 heh...
13:41 tenplus1 what are you looking for in a desktop ???
13:42 Mr_Pardison something like unity but easy on the hardware.
13:42 tenplus1 unity lite is a thing, you can disable the eye candy and have just the dock
13:42 tenplus1 I think it's in ubuntu 17.10 as a setting
13:43 Mr_Pardison I prefer the LTS.
13:43 rubenwardy anyway, study time
13:43 tenplus1 heh
13:43 Mr_Pardison get back to studying!
13:43 rubenwardy well, essay writing
13:43 rubenwardy study sounds American
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13:44 ThomasMonroe depends
13:44 * Mr_Pardison hates writing essays
13:46 tenplus1 if it's any consolation, ubuntu 17.10 is very stable :)
13:46 tenplus1 and will easily update to 18.04 LTS when it's out in april
13:52 Mr_Pardison question is: will I be able to load my current MT game that ran on windows to here?
13:53 tenplus1 yes, it has Minetest 0.4.16-3 in the repo ready for install and works fine :) am using it
13:53 Mr_Pardison oh good.
13:53 Mr_Pardison then ubuntu it is.
13:54 tenplus1 and like fedora, the desktop uses wayland which is a lot smoother for certain things :) with a fallback to xwayland for antyhing that needs xorg
13:55 Mr_Pardison \
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13:55 tenplus1 hi robbie
13:57 RobbieF tenplus1 ! how are ya
13:57 tenplus1 good ta, added blue agave / tequila to xanadu :)) how's you ?
13:58 RobbieF hehe nice! Party server now!
13:58 RobbieF I on the other hand added brandy and whiskey to my belly.
13:58 tenplus1 we have wine, beer, mead, cider and tequila :P and many junk foods... hah
13:58 RobbieF I'm doing real well man. A LOT going on here and a LOT to think about and plan. It's all good though.
13:58 Mr_Pardison then set up a McDrunkheads
13:59 tenplus1 am sure one of the players already has :P
14:03 ThomasMonroe hey RobbieF how are you?
14:13 Jordach i just have a picture of a kitten for my desktop, RubenBot
14:13 Jordach reeeee
14:14 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/yhgilslmkpjlwevgf.jpg
14:16 Mr_Pardison I see that your cat also seems to clean up after itself.
14:17 * tenplus1 has new recipe for kitty; https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/de/6​8/c0de683086be75787bff8ade0f525848.jpg
14:19 Mr_Pardison that looks good.
14:19 Mr_Pardison I think I have one last red bean bun in the freezer.
14:19 Mr_Pardison but I couldn't bear to eat a kitty.
14:19 tenplus1 ehehe
14:20 Jordach you'd freeze a cat and not give it the warmth of a belly>
14:20 Jordach hoiw mean
14:20 Fixer repeating my question from yesterday
14:20 Fixer What Is This??? https://i.imgur.com/39KNnU9.png
14:20 tenplus1 o/ fixer
14:20 Jordach robot?
14:21 tenplus1 prolly...
14:21 Fixer those bot like players
14:27 RobbieF Doing well thanks ThomasMonroe, how about you?
14:29 ThomasMonroe doing great, improving my chess mostly
14:29 * Mr_Pardison sees ThomasMonroe is a person of culture as well
14:30 tenplus1 normal chess or 3d chess?
14:31 Mr_Pardison If you lose at 3d chess, your opponent can say "it must be humiliating to suck on so many levels"
14:31 tenplus1 ahahaha
14:36 ThomasMonroe normal
14:37 Mr_Pardison IMO, normal chess is more of a level playing field than 3d
14:37 tenplus1 it's a good game that many ppl no longer play, same with scrabble :D
14:38 Mr_Pardison I play scrabble with my mom.
14:38 Mr_Pardison Got close to beating her last game we played.
14:38 ThomasMonroe I play on lichess.org
14:39 ThomasMonroe sometimes there are 27,000+ players on at a time
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14:50 Mr_Pardison anyone want to explain what and how that just happened?
14:50 Shara Freenode has huge netsplit.
14:51 Shara People will be back when it fixes
14:51 Mr_Pardison 24 people affected from here.
14:51 Mr_Pardison good thing I use kiwiirc. :)
14:52 Mr_Pardison servers also split on us.
14:52 * Shara isn't sure how using kiwiirc is ever a good thing
14:53 Mr_Pardison I like it since it's better than freenode webchat (which is a backup in the event that kiwi goes down) and I don't have to pay for nor do I have to install anything.
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14:55 tenplus1 o/
14:55 Mr_Pardison wb everyone.
14:55 Mr_Pardison too many names for me to type out even w/ tab auto-complete
14:55 tenplus1 ehehe, did you get thrown too ?
14:56 Shara About half the room did
14:56 tenplus1 hi shara
14:56 Mr_Pardison I was still here.
14:56 tenplus1 must have been a specific server
14:56 tenplus1 samme here
14:56 Mr_Pardison 24 people did get whacked.
14:56 Shara Mr_Pardison: Everyone is 'still here' from their viewpoint
14:57 Mr_Pardison by still here I meant that I didn't get whacked with a net split
14:57 Shara Lol, from their point of view you did
14:57 Mr_Pardison XD
14:58 Shara Anyone not left on the same piece of the network as you shows as split
14:58 Mr_Pardison huh.
14:58 Shara Google is your friend
14:59 tenplus1 o.O
14:59 Mr_Pardison O.o
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15:30 roben1430 matrix bridge did not like that net-split
15:30 tenplus1 heh
15:31 Mr-Pardison does it ever?
15:31 roben1430 can't blame it too much, those arent supposed to happen anymore
15:32 roben1430 but I'll have to wait until its back online
15:33 roben1430 so..whats up?
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15:33 tenplus1 been quiet apart from net split :)  wb benrob
15:33 benrob0329 Test
15:33 Mr-Pardison I've settled on ubuntu 17.10 for my broken lappy (used to it and the unity DE)
15:34 tenplus1 :0
15:34 Mr-Pardison mint isn't for me.
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15:35 tenplus1 mint is ok but heavy
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15:39 roben1430 bridge is slowly waking up
15:40 Mr-Pardison ask some stone mason to work on it. that should get it fixed faster.
15:41 roben1430 probably would tbh
15:42 roben1430 3 things plague matrix.org, Python, JS, And waay too many people on one server
15:43 jas_ lol now i get to see irrlicht errors in bright yellow!  *need to learn blender a bit.*
15:43 roben1430 jas_: yeess, join the blend side
15:43 Mr-Pardison we also make delicious soups.
15:44 jas_ at least to remove errors and i wonder how to fix this sRGB error in png files.
15:47 roben1430 question, does minetest's http requests support SSL?
15:47 jas_ "iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile" & "Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image"
15:47 jas_ i dunno me
15:49 roben1430 jas_: open the image in Krita or gimp, and re-export it
15:49 jas_ oooh thanks
15:49 roben1430 you may need to convert the color profile to sRGB in krita
15:49 jas_ i don't use that one, just gimp
15:49 jas_ something something debian
15:50 jas_ (dunno if it's in the repos, wasn't last time i checked.)
15:50 roben1430 something something nice art programs :P
15:50 jas_ or there was a name change
15:50 jas_ there's this program called kluppe
15:50 roben1430 not it
15:51 roben1430 gimp will work
15:51 jas_ https://youtu.be/57JnCLLsBPo?t=2m26s
15:51 tenplus1 back laters... foody!!!!!
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15:51 roben1430 or aseprite (I use the GPL fork of it)
15:51 jas_ i tried that once
15:52 jas_ i think csound or libpd in minetest would be AMAZING
15:52 jas_ haha
15:52 roben1430 be back in a bit
15:52 jas_ bbfn
15:52 roben1430 https://github.com/aseprite-gpl/aseprite
15:52 jas_ #dataflow
15:53 roben1430 ^^ aseprite is really easy to compile
15:53 roben1430 see INSTALL.md
15:53 jas_ i tried it before, i like gimp because i'm used to it
15:53 jas_ i might try it again but i have to really love the software to compile
15:54 jas_ not because it's hard, but because it's effort to upgrade
15:54 jas_ i have this compiled obs from... gd6965259... it must be a year old
15:54 jas_ haven't bothered to git pull and recompile, i think the new version doesn't support my video card?
15:54 jas_ (and i'm lazy)
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16:39 Mr-Pardison so, problems with the tablet game client.
16:40 Mr-Pardison player striking another from something like 30 nodes away (according to one I just heard from right now)
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17:01 roben1430 o/ Krock nerzhul twoelk compunerd
17:01 compunerd \o
17:02 Mr-Pardison \o/
17:05 Krock o/ roben1430, compunerd, Mr-Pardison
17:05 Mr-Pardison \o Krock
17:15 sofar woot, we have a first user of the public remote media server :D
17:15 twoelk o/
17:17 sofar 4 players served, 2000 files total
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17:28 roben1430 hello sofar, rubenwardy
17:29 roben1430 ThomasMonroe:
17:29 rubenwardy Hi
17:29 ThomasMonroe hi roben1430?
17:29 ThomasMonroe do I know you?
17:29 rubenwardy care to introduce yourself?
17:30 rubenwardy ah, benrob0329
17:30 ThomasMonroe oh lol
17:30 * Mr-Pardison is Mr-Pardison
17:30 rubenwardy whois was being a pain
17:30 roben1430 heh
17:30 roben1430 the Matrix bridge freaked out after a net split
17:30 roben1430 so I'm using an alt-nick and sasl
17:31 rubenwardy lol
17:31 ThomasMonroe lol
17:31 rubenwardy Matrix is so amazing ;)
17:31 roben1430 the bridge is not
17:31 rubenwardy wondering why they made it so it goes down at once. Surely it would be distributed?
17:31 ThomasMonroe I like the nick, kinda a misspelling for Batman's sidekick
17:32 roben1430 rubenwardy: each homeserver is its own thing, but matrix.org itself is just one server afaik
17:32 roben1430 better hosting is on the plan once they reach their funding goal
17:32 roben1430 I should probably just put up my own homeserver though
17:33 sofar point it at the public remote media server!
17:33 roben1430 heh
17:34 roben1430 Minetest -> Matrix -> IRC -> Media Server
17:34 roben1430 load times: OVER 9000
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17:47 Jordach and a netsplit in the middle
17:47 * Jordach goes back to playing overwatchb
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17:49 * Mr-Pardison is overwatch!
17:49 IhrFussel When was chat text colorization implemented? 0.4.15 or earlier?
17:51 * twoelk wonders wether he should point a letsplayer at sofar's server
17:52 sofar as long as you either disable the music, or credit the music composer and don't monetize the video
17:53 twoelk well, that's a nope then :-D
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17:53 twoelk of course he earns from the ads on his site
17:54 sofar he can disable the music
17:54 twoelk well you said and and not or
17:54 sofar as long as you either (disable the music), or (credit the music composer and don't monetize the video)
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17:54 sofar is that more clear?
17:55 twoelk but I don"t much know how these letsplay things work on the legal side
17:55 sofar but, is it more clear?
17:55 twoelk yep
17:55 sofar if you disable music, no restrictions
17:55 twoelk ok
17:55 sofar log in, disable music, log out, start video, log in & play
17:56 sofar he can also contact the composer and get his own license
17:56 twoelk enjoyed my first working visit by the way
17:56 sofar the guy is very responsive
17:56 twoelk nice
17:57 sofar so, there's 3 options even
18:06 IhrFussel Can someone confirm that this is the commit that actually added the chat colors? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/1d40385d4aacf0cbea4b19ff06940e8c9bebaf47
18:09 IhrFussel That's not minetest:master though...github is damn confusing when you look for a certain PR/commit
18:11 * roben1430 would like to do a cinematic of sofar's server sometime :P
18:11 roben1430 along with a cinematic of how much the freenode bridge needs to be rewritten because it is clearly not ready for prime time yet
18:13 IhrFussel Okay so minetest.colorize was definitely added before Sep 23 2016 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4543
18:21 IhrFussel May 31 2016 was the date colored chat was added...now I found the correct PR
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18:44 rubenwardy is there an issue?
18:50 Krock no, otherwise there would be more talk about it :3
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19:02 Krock I heard we have a topic about bad Minetest performance with a good graphics card: (related) https://i.imgur.com/ikC0exN.jpg
19:03 * Jordach looks at MT
19:03 * Jordach gets 350fps at 1080p
19:03 Jordach view range 370
19:03 Mr-Pardison lucky u.
19:04 Mr-Pardison u got a very nice rig.
19:04 Mr-Pardison All I got is 60fps at 100 view range.
19:05 twoelk oops - suppertime :D
19:05 Jordach my RX 480 can mine crypto and run MT decently at the same time
19:05 twoelk gotta clear the table
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19:08 Fixer Krock: mt is CPU bound, i downgraded from 2011 card to ~2005 card, and still got pretty descent performance (close to 100 fps)
19:09 Krock Fixer, also with all shaders active?
19:10 Fixer Krock: nope, both disabled
19:11 Fixer Krock: mc beta fps tanked like 3x times, yet with minetest i hit my 100 fps cap on videocard from 2005
19:11 benrob0329 Wait, is tge bridge back now
19:11 Mr-Pardison idk
19:11 roben1430 no
19:12 roben1430 I really need to host my own bridge
19:12 roben1430 @benrob0329:totallynotashadyweb.site
19:12 Fixer Krock: have you seen video I shared with that minecraft bedrock engine vrange ~1000 rendering at like 60fps?
19:12 Krock not yet, I guess
19:13 Fixer Krock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZBgDg9rmE
19:14 Krock minetest doesn't even load blocks that far by default o.o
19:15 Krock and now I see where the enchanting table idea comes from
19:15 Jordach Fixer, bedrock only ticks things in less than 64 blocks away
19:15 Jordach it's even more kneecapped than Java
19:15 Fixer Jordach: yeah, but rendering part is impressive
19:15 Jordach Fixer, bullshit
19:16 Fixer Jordach: pfff, even java version + optifine has better fps than in minetest (especially in heavy scenes)
19:16 Jordach that's a Lua issue
19:16 Jordach not a C++ side issue
19:17 Jordach i'm pushing my own code to the limit of optimisation
19:17 Fixer Jordach: lua has nothing to do with rendering, or is it?
19:17 Fixer Krock: especially look at 5:10
19:17 Jordach Fixer, [19:08:32] <Fixer> Krock: mt is CPU bound, i downgraded from 2011 card to ~2005 card, and still got pretty descent performance (close to 100 fps)
19:18 Jordach >CPU boundf
19:18 Jordach what does a shit ton of CPU time?
19:18 Jordach Lua
19:18 Jordach by keeping my crap to a bare minimum and reasonably optimised, i get massive framerates combined with excellent gameplay
19:18 Krock in addition, single-threaded Lua that can block the executing thread for a few hundred microseconds
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19:26 Fixer Jordach: so lua is a source of all fps problems? nah
19:26 rubenwardy Jordach, in terms of rendering, it's the engines fault
19:27 rubenwardy Lua(jit) isn't that slow, and shouldn't effect rendering anyway
19:27 rubenwardy as it's in a different thread in single player
19:27 rubenwardy and on a different computer on multiplayer
19:28 Fixer Krock: yeah, there are still lone freezes up to like 200ms
19:28 Fixer rubenwardy: have you seen that image with bot-like player text?
19:29 rubenwardy heh
19:29 rubenwardy just a spammer
19:30 Fixer rubenwardy: why would he spam? in such random matter with words like vCard
19:31 rubenwardy people are weird
19:32 Fixer rubenwardy: could this be some kind of bot with neural network based "speech"?
19:32 Mr-Pardison ya think?
19:32 Fixer there are jabber bots that can do that thing
19:32 Fixer or maybe even irc bots
19:33 Mr-Pardison the horror.
19:33 Fixer so you can somehow connect them to post on server
19:33 Fixer build up dictionaries and talk
19:33 rubenwardy that would be interesting
19:33 rubenwardy I doubt it though
19:33 Mr-Pardison bridge is still out.
19:34 Fixer i have great fun with such bots, so thats why i suspect it
19:39 Fixer had*
19:52 Megaf Greetings
19:53 sofar what the, lua runs on the server, which doesn't even have FPS
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20:06 Krock they share the same CPU core. if Lua is busy for a longer time, it'll also slow down the other threads
20:06 Krock of course, no such problem when running them separately
20:06 rubenwardy on the server though
20:07 rubenwardy although, now with poorly implemented CSM
20:11 roben1430 question, has anyone done anything with https://github.com/Lua-cURL/Lua-cURLv3
20:11 roben1430 i'm considering it instead of LuaSocket + LuaSec
20:13 Fixer But if I connect to multiplayer server, my FPS is pretty much still ----ty
20:14 Fixer AMD HD6870 1GB card had literally 20-40 fps without shaders in the middle of the Hometown server
20:15 rubenwardy roben1430, do you know of minetest's HTTP API?
20:15 rubenwardy not sure what you're trying to do :P
20:16 roben1430 rubenwardy: a Matrix lua library, which could be used for a minetest mod or client
20:16 rubenwardy just use minetest's API
20:16 roben1430 (I do not believe MT's http api supports SSL)
20:16 rubenwardy it does
20:16 roben1430 it does?
20:16 rubenwardy I'm pretty sure
20:16 Mr-Pardison does it?
20:16 Mr-Pardison :P
20:16 rubenwardy I'd be very surprised if it doesn
20:16 rubenwardy *doesn't
20:17 roben1430 i'll look into it, because that would be handy for a mod
20:17 rubenwardy it uses cURL under the hood
20:18 rubenwardy I haven't used it with HTTPS yet, both times I've used it I didn't want it to leave the computer
20:18 rubenwardy http://github.com/rubenwardy/prometheus
20:18 rubenwardy connects to http://localhost
20:19 roben1430 my main goal is to make a client, but a mod would be a nice side effect
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