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00:00 Calinou I live in a house where we use wood pellet heating
00:00 Calinou it's brand new, its construction was finished in March 2015
00:00 Calinou and we live in it since March 2015 :P
00:00 Calinou we spend very little money on heating, usually around €140-200/year
00:00 Calinou (more than 10 times less compared to our previous house!)
00:00 Calinou it has an "A" energy diagnostic, which is very rare in France
00:01 Fixer r a r e
00:01 Calinou (if the diagnostic was 1 KWh higher, it'd be "B", though)
00:02 Fixer Calinou: around 500 euro per year in Ukraine / gas (it sucks (money))
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00:28 sofar Calinou: that's unusually low though, sounds like more like the central or south of france :)
00:29 Calinou sofar: nah, North-EAst
00:29 Calinou (around Troyes)
00:32 sofar well, even in .nl I had ~50EUR heating bills at best per month
00:34 Calinou I like how people refer to countries using TLDs
00:34 Calinou :P
00:34 * Jordach doesn't often get cold
00:37 Megaf Man, wonder woman has the same attitude of my ex
00:37 Jordach Calinou, i dangerously overheat to heat stroke levels due to how hot i run
00:37 sofar Megaf: lynches you until you speak the truth?
00:38 sofar my heating bills will be significant in winter, hence the choice for lots of insulation and several heating sources
00:38 sofar plus AC for the 40C summer temps
00:38 sofar global warming is a myth, said nobody who goes outside, ever
00:40 Megaf sofar: hah! That too
00:41 Megaf Calinou: is there better way of refering to counties?
00:41 * Jordach considers moving to the nearest city closes to the arctic circle
00:42 Megaf I'm not to far of that
00:45 Fixer well, in lots of places on our Earth it is already batshitcrazyhotduringsummers
00:46 Fixer even before global warming trend
00:46 Calinou Megaf: full names, or 2-letter codes maybe :p
00:46 Calinou (which are often the same as TLDs)
00:46 Fixer sofar: 50eur in winter?
00:50 Fixer anyway gn and have fun
00:51 Fixer Calinou: you probably have some forests nearby?
01:06 Calinou yes, 10-20 kilometers away
01:12 Jordach got two new blocks, what they do https://jordach.net/images/zazkmehldrvteppu.png
01:12 Jordach (well, not two, more like 5)
02:04 Megaf Ok, film finished
02:04 Megaf it was alright
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04:59 Megaf Kingsman the golden circule, that's a good movie
05:16 Megaf Night folks. And again sorry for when I behave in a non optimal manner. In the reality it's honour being part of this community and I wish all the best for the Minetest project.
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07:30 sofar hmmm so what vulnerability should I poke tonight?
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08:06 VanessaE careful, it might poke back :P
08:09 sofar not enough time tonight
08:09 * sofar vanishes
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11:41 jas_ lol https://github.com/jastevenson303/dcbl/comm​it/dad32ac8b197a9dcce4eeb81d576254a5431de0c probably defeats the far-loading stuff, but i cna't stand such a low fov.  the ability the change client regular fov in-game would be nice, then just that for a zoom lol
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13:19 Jordach ThomasMonroe, i've tried the GC64 LuaJIT with minetest
13:20 Jordach aka 64bit memory addressing in Lua
13:21 Jordach my treegen still on occaision, crashes wiht JIT
13:22 Jordach schematic trees might be the future option
13:22 Jordach (generate the trees using the current vmanip, and then schematic it)
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13:27 Fixer Jordach: thats probably jit crashing itself, it is somewhat buggy, but it worked for me last time pretty well
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13:28 Fixer Jordach: dreambuilder modpack is not usable on windows for me on plain luajit, oom within 5-10 min
13:30 ThomasMonroe ok Jordach?
13:35 Jordach ThomasMonroe, this is very old vmanip code and is terrible
13:35 Jordach i should replace it with something better (this is 2013 era vmanip)
13:41 ThomasMonroe hmm you think that would increase the speed of lua-based mapgen?
13:44 Amaz Jordach: Are you using these optimisations? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&t=16043
13:44 Amaz They seem to make a lot of difference.
13:44 Mr_Pardison morning everyone.
13:48 Jordach Amaz, all things considered, i write plenty of optimised code
13:49 Jordach i only likely have to re-use number 3
13:49 Amaz :)
13:49 Jordach as i use on_gen with decorations for placing trees
13:49 Calinou https://sources.debian.org/src/m​inetest-mod-moreblocks/1.1.0-1/
13:49 Calinou Debian now has a website to browse all packages' sources :)
13:49 Jordach Amaz, i made pipeworks look like unoptimised pieces of shit
13:50 Amaz Nice!
13:50 Jordach they only flow in one-way, but have mechanics attached to them, making them unique
13:50 Jordach and don't require overriding all the things^TM
13:52 Jordach there needs to be a user friendly fork of debian called plebian
13:52 Mr_Pardison >.<
13:52 Mr_Pardison But I agree.
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14:07 Mr_Pardison Well, downloading the Mint w/ cinnamon and mint w/ mate iso files now.
14:07 Mr_Pardison Will try them out later today and see which I like more (key word in there being I)
14:11 ThomasMonroe :O
14:11 ThomasMonroe you might want to try MX-16 too :P
14:11 ThomasMonroe thats the one I use
14:11 Mr-Pardison GAH!
14:11 Mr-Pardison You should have seen the flurry of activity yesterday when we started to chat about this.
14:12 ThomasMonroe lol I could imagine
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14:24 tenplus1 hi folks
14:25 Mr-Pardison hiya fellow human
14:26 tenplus1 lol, hi pardison :D
14:26 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1
14:26 tenplus1 hi thomas
14:27 * tenplus1 noms red thai curry
14:27 Mr-Pardison sounds good as dinner.
14:28 tenplus1 close enough :P  2.28pm here
14:28 Mr-Pardison I might make some pork chops this weekend.
14:28 Mr-Pardison bought the value pack of pork.
14:28 tenplus1 ooh, not had chops in a long while...  gravy or apple sauce ?
14:30 Mr-Pardison Apple sauce.
14:30 tenplus1 :)))))))
14:30 * tenplus1 swings by Mr-Pardison's house this weekend :D
14:30 Mr-Pardison gravy just isn't my thing with this. Gravy is best made and paired with turkey.
14:31 tenplus1 yeah, keep the gravy for the dry meats, not the succulent
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14:37 tenplus1 hi compunerd
14:37 compunerd \o
14:37 tenplus1 o/
14:38 Mr-Pardison \o/
14:38 Mr-Pardison ^^
14:38 tenplus1 o-==  <-- hands you sammich
14:38 Raven262 Hi ten
14:38 tenplus1 hi raven :P
14:38 Mr-Pardison well, lull in conversation and tings are quiet on the game channels so I'm going to be gaming.
14:39 Mr-Pardison ping me if something that legit needs my attention or pertains to something that I'm doing.
14:39 tenplus1 have fun :p
14:39 Mr-Pardison I'll try not to take too many L's
14:39 tenplus1 heh
14:41 compunerd Has anyone seen windhero in a while? Last time I talked to him he was focusing on college pretty hard... He did an awesome job on caverealms... was just wondering if he was still around...
14:41 * tenplus1 wonders how easy iy would be to port minetest to godot ?!?!
14:42 tenplus1 havent hears anything compunerd, shara has taken over caverealms_lite since the lull
14:43 RobbieF hi tenplus1
14:44 compunerd Well ok... that sux... he was a pretty good guy... I liked talking to him in OldCoder's moontest world where we pushed caverealms to it's limits with the mapgen... hehe
14:44 tenplus1 hi robbie, how's tricks ?
14:44 tenplus1 caverealms was pretty amazing but stressful on the server...
14:46 compunerd It was... but we were running it pretty well in a world that had to calculate fluid oxygen/vacuum and everything and even though it lagged the server a little, it never got too bad...
14:46 tenplus1 once devs get the mapgen working on multi-core cpu's it'll be awesome :D
14:47 compunerd Wait... mapgen only uses one core?
14:48 compunerd I did not know that... that sux...
14:48 tenplus1 I think so... there's a .conf setting for emerge_num_cores or something
14:48 tenplus1 lemmie check
14:49 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L2798
14:49 compunerd maybe the backend has more to do with performance than I thought... I'm starting to use postgresql...
14:50 tenplus1 a while back I tried using leveldb on xanadu server but it was glitchy...  I dare say it has some a long way since then and is a lot faster...
14:50 tenplus1 postgresql I've never tried
14:50 compunerd I have it working and mapgen gives very little lag if any with a local connection... so far...
14:51 compunerd haven't tried caverealms on it yet though... hehe
14:52 compunerd I know it's very robust... pretty much eliminates corruption of map data
14:52 tenplus1 that's a good thing, corruption-proof... although how much memory does it use
14:53 lisac tenplus1: did you see the craft mod? :)
14:53 lisac also, hi
14:53 tenplus1 hi lisac :p  WHICH ONE ?
14:53 tenplus1 er... sorry for caps... ehehe
14:53 lisac https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=18933
14:53 tenplus1 checking
14:54 lisac while I'd have to improve it a bit before it's ready for servers, it is completely functional
14:54 lisac I'll move the bar to a CSM
14:54 lisac after mod channels
14:54 lisac and only use after() to reduce lag.
14:55 tenplus1 looks very interesting... will play around with it and see how it functions
14:55 lisac :) thanks
14:55 lisac I'm compiling the kernel right now
14:55 lisac I forgot to check the sound last time
14:55 lisac and the time before that
14:55 tenplus1 xubuntu ?
14:55 lisac Mint.
14:55 lisac switched yesterday
14:55 tenplus1 ahhh
14:56 lisac from Kubuntu
14:56 compunerd idk... I was monitoring the 2 VMs (one running the game it's self, the other running the postgresql server, and they were running pretty much neck and neck on memmory, but with two people flying fast an creating over 100 MB of map data in just a few minutes, it still wasn't near topping the charts... but I do have 12 gigs on the game server and 8 on the postgresql server
14:56 tenplus1 nice spec :D
14:56 tenplus1 I thnk shinji has 8gb on xanadu server
14:57 compunerd Mine is a Dell Poweredge 2950 rackmount with 48 gigs total, running ubuntu server... 8 SAS drives with 300G each in a RAID 6 config...
14:58 tenplus1 oof, sweet
14:58 compunerd Oh, and 2 quad core 3.2GHZ XEONS
14:58 tenplus1 sounds a beast of a server setup :)))  xanadu is a desktop pc running amd
14:58 compunerd I paid $31 for it... lmao
14:58 Calinou compunerd: consider pre-generating map areas close to the spawn
14:59 tenplus1 hi Cal
14:59 Calinou https://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou/
14:59 Calinou my server has a 4096×256×4096 area pre-generated around the spawn
14:59 Calinou as seen above
15:00 compunerd Calinou: What exactly for? I have an idea, just curious why you suggest it...
15:01 Mr-Pardison I took too many L's for my liking so I gave up on the match I was in.
15:01 tenplus1 if it's pre-generated it saves players doing so while playing game and reducing lag
15:02 Calinou compunerd: so that CPU/IO are used in advance for map generation, not when players are busy playing :)
15:02 Calinou which decreases perceived lag by a lot
15:03 Calinou also, use "num_emerge_threads" with a value above 1 (depending on the number of CPU threads you have)
15:03 Calinou use 2 at least, maybe 4
15:03 Calinou this will also make map generation faster
15:03 Calinou and of course, always use PostgreSQL or Redis (fastest, RAM-hungry)
15:03 compunerd Ah, I see... only thing is, I planned on having other mapgen mods added as I go and wasn't really wanting people to have to go that far from spawn to get to those areas...
15:03 tenplus1 some new features in 0.5.0 has cavegen biomes and decorations for ground and ceiling :) this may replace caverealms at one point
15:04 compunerd My VM has 4 cores allocated... I'll set that... but that's in source right? so I'd have to recompile?
15:05 tenplus1 no, minetest.conf file has a line:   num_emerge_threads = 4     that you can add for mapgen to use 4 cores
15:05 Calinou try using 2 or 3, I guess
15:05 Calinou (you want to keep 1 thread available for other tasks, probably)
15:05 compunerd Oh, sweet... lemme do that right quick... lol
15:05 Calinou also, try running the server in bare metal if possible
15:05 Calinou the VM overhead isn't a good thing for games :P
15:06 Calinou my server is a VPS, so I have no control over this
15:06 compunerd What about running the game in bare metal and the postgresql server as a VM
15:06 Calinou that can be done
15:06 Calinou (or both in bare metal)
15:08 Calinou heh, there's a Windows port of an old version of Redis (3.0): https://redis.io/download
15:08 Calinou I've never tried Redis, but I'd need to run a large server to see if performance is better compared to PostgreSQL
15:08 Calinou (it technically *should* be, as it caches everything in RAM)
15:08 Calinou (PostgreSQL also makes use of RAM when needed)
15:13 tenplus1 I wonder how postgresql fairs when using an SSD
15:14 Calinou probably quite well, my server is SSD-based :)
15:15 Calinou you can tune its settings to make it cache more things in RAM, too
15:15 tenplus1 xanadu is ssd based but I wanted to port across to leveldb for stability
15:16 tenplus1 since mk1 and mk2 servers were lost due to map failure :P
15:16 Calinou https://wiki.minetest.net/D​atabase_backends#PostgreSQL
15:16 Calinou >To improve PostgreSQL's performance with Minetest servers, please configure postgresql.conf with a minimum shared_buffer of 512MB, with a maximum of 50% of your server's available RAM.
15:17 Calinou try using PostgreSQL, instead of LevelDB
15:17 Calinou LevelDB is likely slower
15:17 tenplus1 than sql ?
15:17 Calinou SQLite is the slowest
15:19 benrob0329 (Offtopic) tenplus1: https://youtu.be/lNAgfMtRte4
15:19 tenplus1 lol, watched that last night benrob :)   I was on AOL for so many years, even meeting up on Edinburgh for the AOL meets
15:22 tenplus1 seems all the big chat progs are slowly phasing out... yahoo, aol etc
15:25 tenplus1 mind you, IRC has lasted well through the years :D
15:26 benrob0329 It has so far, but it too will die someday
15:26 Mr-Pardison nay!
15:26 Mr-Pardison Well...
15:26 Mr-Pardison if it does, I say that Google Hangouts shall reign supreme.
15:27 tenplus1 google sucks B**ls
15:27 tenplus1 yahoo chat was better for offline messages
15:27 benrob0329 Eww Hangouts
15:27 tenplus1 https://i.pinimg.com/564x/05/3c/d2/053cd26aead​31ad51d7546baf6dcb6d9--online-comics-jokes.jpg
15:27 nerzhul Calinou, i don't know if recent sqlite are slower thant leveldb, there are many interesting optiosatiosn
15:27 tenplus1 whatsapp is easy to use and would be nice if it were available on desktop
15:27 tenplus1 hi nerzhul
15:28 benrob0329 I use it because its not Skype and I cant get my friends to use Matrix
15:28 rubenwardy tenplus1, you can use it in a browser
15:28 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: lol
15:28 rubenwardy it links to your phone
15:28 tenplus1 hi ruben
15:28 tenplus1 ahh, didnt know that... thanks dude
15:28 rubenwardy end-to-end encryption <3
15:28 benrob0329 But eww proprietary chat services
15:28 rubenwardy https://web.whatsapp.com/
15:29 tenplus1 we've had so many open-source chat setups but they kinda sucked... aol was a good o.s. backend
15:29 benrob0329 Matrix is good :P
15:29 benrob0329 IRC is good, though dated
15:29 tenplus1 was a hassle to setup, I prefer irc :D
15:30 tenplus1 and using google chat through pidgin for certain ppl
15:30 Mr-Pardison I use kiwiirc since it's nice and you don't have to pay nor install anything.
15:30 benrob0329 Making an account is more of a pain than nickserv?
15:30 tenplus1 nickserv was easy :D
15:31 Mr-Pardison once you whack it with a frying pan ofc.
15:32 benrob0329 tenplus1: but I can send messages through curl :-P
15:32 tenplus1 eheheh, curl
15:32 Mr-Pardison well, I mist depart here for now. will cya in a bit (changing classes)
15:32 tenplus1 cyao
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15:33 lisac I think checking all the boxes was a terrible idea.
15:33 lisac compiling for 2 hours now
15:33 tenplus1 lol
15:33 benrob0329 Curl is the best im client :D
15:34 lisac benrob0329: you can use curl for IRC?
15:34 benrob0329 lisac: no, Matrix
15:34 benrob0329 And IRC through matrix
15:34 nerzhul hi tenplus1
15:34 benrob0329 So I suppose I can
15:35 benrob0329 Matrix is just json strings over https though, so its pretty simple
15:35 * lisac vanishes at the sight of nerzhul
15:35 rubenwardy pls stop
15:36 * benrob0329 vanishes at the site of a stop request
15:36 tenplus1 lol
15:37 lisac I'm thinking of making a mod based to the Kingkiller Chronicle magic
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15:37 tenplus1 dont think I've heard of that one
15:37 lisac http://kingkiller.wikia.com/wiki/Magic
15:37 lisac those books are great
15:38 tenplus1 interesting
15:41 Calinou nerzhul: indeed
15:54 benrob0329 This is sent from curl :PP
15:55 * tenplus1 feeds curl to pidgin
15:55 benrob0329 Hey, its dark in here!
15:56 tenplus1 *pidgin poops out curl*   do ya seeeeeee the light :P
15:56 * Mr_Pardison hands benrob0329 a torch
15:58 benrob0329 flame + pidgin = boom?
15:58 tenplus1 eehe
15:58 tenplus1 I really like the skins pull for mt
15:59 benrob0329 Yee
15:59 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1967
15:59 benrob0329 Nice and simple
15:59 tenplus1 we really needed this in default game for a while
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15:59 rubenwardy there are things that are more missing
15:59 tenplus1 just need api for F7 to view player 3rd person
15:59 tenplus1 hi Krock
15:59 rubenwardy like MOBS
15:59 Krock hi tenplus1
15:59 rubenwardy :D
15:59 Krock ugh
16:00 tenplus1 mobs can be left to a mod, but we do need things like player:set_player_velocity() and working pathfinding and line_of_sight first
16:00 rubenwardy yeah
16:00 rubenwardy line_of_sight should be fixed in 0.5.0
16:00 benrob0329 ^^
16:00 rubenwardy and in dev later today
16:01 benrob0329 And a better player model, that doesnt look so stiff
16:01 tenplus1 does line_of_sight fix allow to go through airlike nodes and other drawtypes ?
16:02 Krock only airlike and liquids, otherwise it would be line_of_collision or similar to describe it correctly
16:02 tenplus1 ooh nice :) that's useful for mobs api
16:03 Krock ^  that's at least what I think it should do
16:03 tenplus1 cause having an airlike and water check in api slows things down
16:03 benrob0329 Can we all agree that Sam's air humping is a little ridiculous?
16:04 rubenwardy lol yes
16:04 tenplus1 air humping ??? wuuuut
16:04 rubenwardy I don't do models though
16:04 Mr_Pardison having moderator privs is both a blessing and a curse. It's almost like a double edged sword.
16:04 tenplus1 oh,s tanding still and that little flick
16:04 tenplus1 gotcha
16:04 rubenwardy personally think we should go back to 2D players
16:04 rubenwardy XD
16:04 benrob0329 He does one hump/1 and spins his whole body around to see
16:05 tenplus1 lolol, he use to have 2d players in mk2 xanadu server and it was soo funny :) using zegs skin mod
16:05 benrob0329 I mean, you do that and see if its normal :D
16:05 Mr_Pardison question about Xanadu.
16:05 Mr_Pardison New players being admitted or what?
16:05 tenplus1 ?
16:05 tenplus1 if server is closed it prolly crashed at some point due to "serialize.h" error, it auto-closes incase of attack
16:05 tenplus1 u want on ?
16:06 rubenwardy oh man
16:07 rubenwardy I can't find a screenshot of the 2D green player
16:07 tenplus1 we had a hairy tramp looking 2d skin at one point, that one looked so bad
16:07 tenplus1 Mr_Pardison:  join xanadu now if you want on, opened border
16:07 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: I will join when becbec is online (invited me to see what it was all about)
16:07 Mr_Pardison Can't join ATM (in class)
16:07 tenplus1 ah okies :P
16:07 Mr_Pardison could it be in about an hour and 10 minutes?
16:09 Mr_Pardison I will be in study hall then which is essentially free time for me since I don't have much work to do then.
16:11 tenplus1 :P
16:12 rubenwardy aha!
16:12 rubenwardy https://i.imgur.com/4RtpK.jpg
16:12 tenplus1 ehehe
16:12 rubenwardy wow
16:12 rubenwardy animal modpack back in the day: http://i42.tinypic.com/ouqh6p.png
16:13 rubenwardy now called mob framework
16:13 tenplus1 ooh, I remember that...  doesnt it still have the 2d mode included ?
16:13 rubenwardy actually, the other way around
16:15 Fixer rubenwardy:  R A R E
16:15 rubenwardy also, they still had the m_static_exists error in the 0.4 preview
16:15 Fixer also, vrange 15
16:16 rubenwardy I remember vrange being pretty awful, I did have a bad computer
16:16 Fixer rubenwardy: if you open old map in new minetest - you will see those kind of errors, it seems
16:18 Fixer rubenwardy: bad in what sense? what gpu?
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16:29 tenplus1 wb lisac
16:29 lisac not here for long :)
16:29 lisac gotta fix my sound
16:33 lisac IT WORKS
16:33 lisac FINALLY
16:33 tenplus1 ehehe, what was wrong ?
16:54 * Mr_Pardison sees we don't get an answer to that question.... yet.
17:08 Mr-Pardison g2g cya in a bit.
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17:20 Mr_Pardison So, I'm going to try out Mint Cinnamon first.
17:20 Mr_Pardison then I will compare it to Mint w/ mate
17:21 tenplus1 cinnamon is really nice eye candy, but is gpu hungry at times
17:21 * tenplus1 prefers xfce or lxde
17:21 Mr_Pardison crap.
17:21 Mr_Pardison I just realized that I forgot the laptop that I need for it in my locker.
17:22 * Mr_Pardison whacks himself with a frying pan
17:23 Mr_Pardison rig is a dell vostro. has an i5 4-core CPU. idk about the rest of the specs (didn't really look much at those recently)
17:30 Mr_Pardison no comments?
17:30 Mr_Pardison shocking.
17:31 rubenwardy Fixer, Pentium something
17:31 rubenwardy idk
17:32 rubenwardy I'm now on a i5-5200U or something
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17:32 Fixer PIII + GF2MX?
17:34 IhrFussel WAYYYY too many people in the forums who think offering a server is not something big ... What I mean is they just shutdown after a short period of time again thinking no one will be mad, they just remove mods instead of trying to fix their code or at least asking the modder for a solution etc
17:34 Krock because they don't know how to maintain a server well
17:34 Mr_Pardison yup.
17:35 rubenwardy they're just bad server owners. The user can just choose one which is more likely to be supported long term
17:35 rubenwardy well, that's hard for a new comer I guess
17:36 IhrFussel "Medival Server" "sorry the server is hosted on minetesthosting.com and doesn't allow custom mods, so I use a medieval texture pack"
17:36 IhrFussel What is this.....
17:36 rubenwardy lol
17:37 Mr_Pardison stupidity or idiocy would be my words for it.
17:37 sofar nothing wrong with it
17:37 sofar it's just a different level of quality
17:38 sofar the binomial distribution of quality of mt servers is just very wide :)
17:38 tenplus1 o/ fussel n sofar
17:38 * Shara thinks more servers on the upper end are needed
17:39 Mr_Pardison I think that if you graphed the servers by their quality, it would look like a hockey stick not like a bell curve.
17:39 rubenwardy CTF is probably the worse
17:39 Shara Na, you'd never finish.
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17:39 rubenwardy I wipe the map all the time
17:39 sofar either that or we need a way of discerning quality levels
17:39 Shara People would start yelling abotu what defines quality before you were half done
17:39 tenplus1 hi shara, hi Darcidride_
17:39 rubenwardy often every 5 minutes!
17:39 Shara about*
17:40 sofar how about players rating servers? lol
17:40 Shara rubenwardy: Yup, CTF is clearly the worst
17:40 rubenwardy Ha
17:40 sofar in-game rating system, lol
17:40 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1 Shara and all others by the way ... the amount of host begging is terrible
17:40 Shara sofar: Na, I banned too many players
17:40 tenplus1 host begging ?#
17:40 Krock rubenwardy, I thought you were using a dummy backend
17:40 rubenwardy [*              ]  I GOT BANNED FOR NO REASON PLEASE UNBAN ME THEN ILL GIVE 5 STARS THANKS!!!!!111!!!!
17:40 Shara ^
17:40 Mr_Pardison make a set of qualifications (like how well maintained is it, do the admins and/or owners check up on it and make sure things are going right, game play stuff)
17:40 tenplus1 ahhh, yeah... that'll so happen
17:40 * sofar bans rubenwardy on inside the box
17:40 IhrFussel "i need someone to host my server" "please host my server"
17:41 tenplus1 we had players wanting to contribute to server funds only if they could get admin... ahaha
17:41 Mr_Pardison scrubs.
17:41 rubenwardy Krock, not sure of your point :D
17:41 Shara Fussel, they manage such well written sentences when asking you?
17:41 rubenwardy it wipes after every match
17:41 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: I'd contribute w/out need for admin.
17:41 Mr_Pardison I'd be fine as a regular player.
17:41 tenplus1 :P
17:41 * sofar hands out soapboxes
17:41 * Mr_Pardison takes one and finds it's empty.
17:41 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=16304
17:41 sofar it's so you can stand on it
17:42 Mr_Pardison ik what it's for.
17:42 Krock rubenwardy, well, wipe isn't that bad if it was stored volatile anyway
17:42 Shara I got offered donations for DL if I would raise the player cap...
17:42 Shara DL does not need more cray people lagging it!
17:42 rubenwardy It lags well enough already!
17:42 Krock afk kick helps getting some more free slots
17:42 IhrFussel I saw another thread where the user said "if you agree to host my server for free you will be permanent admin"
17:43 rubenwardy It has so much lag, it hosts Just Test!
17:43 Mr_Pardison Had to ban kiki_nana a little while ago (player name and insults)
17:43 tenplus1 have blocked nicks ending in more than 2 numbers, so many clones adding bogus players
17:43 * Shara really wonders about rubenwardy sometimes :P
17:43 * Mr_Pardison wonders if he is still completely sane at times
17:44 * rubenwardy is laughing at his own joke
17:44 Shara None of us are sane.
17:44 Shara We are here.
17:44 IhrFussel People don't seem to know what a bad hoster can do to "their" server/world ... NEVER let someone random host your files
17:44 Mr_Pardison I know for a fact that I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
17:44 tenplus1 lol
17:44 Fixer rubenwardy: at least we don't have that ----ty votecrates and donations for VIP with fly
17:44 sofar bwahahaha
17:44 * tenplus1 adds bottle of tequila to xanadu tonight :D
17:45 sofar good bbt reference
17:45 * Mr_Pardison sees that sofar went to the mythus school of evil laughter
17:45 * Mr_Pardison might need a drink by the time this is all over.
17:45 Shara Someone needs to drag mythus back from wherever he is hiding this time.
17:45 Mr_Pardison ask becbec.
17:46 Shara It's usually her asking me!
17:46 Shara But anyway.
17:46 Mr_Pardison shocking.
17:46 * Shara should be doing work or something
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17:51 tenplus1 *sigh*
17:55 tenplus1 am starting to wonder about all of the nicks joining and leaving server now... it's not normal, am wondering if someone is deliberately trying to inflate auth.txt file
17:55 Raven262 How many?
17:55 Shara tenplus1: yup, have seen this as well
17:55 Shara (generally whenever DL starts to have lag issues)
17:56 rubenwardy tenplus1, it's bots
17:56 rubenwardy obviously
17:56 Shara I'm probably going to start blocking numbered names once I start working on the servers again
17:56 Raven262 ^
17:56 rubenwardy no_guests!
17:56 Raven262 very good idea
17:57 rubenwardy my copy of no_guests doesn't block already registered users
17:57 Shara rubenwardy: got it available for others? :P
17:58 Shara should be easy to make one anyway, but no point if it's up for use already
17:59 tenplus1 ruben, I already use no_guests and changed it to limit anyone with 2 or more numbers at the end of a nick, and added a whielist for current players... but... the bot adapts it seems...
17:59 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=302869#p302869
17:59 rubenwardy players tend to join with   Steve123asjbs   instead though
18:00 Shara Thanks
18:00 Mr_Pardison now if you could block those.
18:00 Fixer at least it is not asdsadsadsa
18:00 rubenwardy relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/810/
18:00 Mr_Pardison also, players have been complaining of lag issues at d/l
18:01 Fixer mc beta server I play has restarts every hour
18:01 Fixer MINETEST IMPROVING
18:01 Shara Mr_Pardison: so report it on server channels, not here?
18:02 Mr_Pardison I've been checking things from what I can see but I think it is mostly due to the amount of players online.
18:02 Mr_Pardison And it's also a client-side problem
18:02 sofar media server?
18:02 Shara It's not the players on line, it the players joining
18:02 Shara it's*
18:03 Shara sofar: would probably help, but I need to stare pleading at a certain poor RobbieF about it sometime most likely :P
18:03 Shara pleadingly*
18:03 Shara And I'd rather fix up a few other issues there first
18:03 tenplus1 gonna have to start making new players punch a button to obtain privs, then delete anyone without privs on logout
18:03 Shara But I have assessment deadlines at the moment for study + project deadlines for work... so no MT work this week
18:04 Shara tenplus1: that's basically how I prune the RC auth file
18:04 Mr_Pardison afk lunch
18:04 Shara nointeract priv = delete
18:04 sofar who runs a server and would pay $1 a year to me to host a joint media server? (less if costs are covered?)
18:04 tenplus1 -.-
18:05 rubenwardy why do you need a joint media server?
18:05 sofar automation, make it easy, host away from your mt server?
18:05 sofar i.e. not taking away bandwidth and cpu time from your mt threads
18:06 rubenwardy I guess
18:06 sofar I'd run a completely open mtmediasrv for anyone who wants
18:07 sofar all that's needed is a domain name and some basic VPS
18:07 Shara I'm still unsure if media would help at all in DL's case. The amount of media it has is pretty low.
18:07 Shara It helps on RC because ridiculous number of files, moreso than size
18:07 sofar I may be able to pull it off in ~25$ a year
18:08 Shara I doubt you'd get 25 server owners interested though
18:08 rubenwardy A proper CDN would be better
18:08 Shara Yup
18:08 sofar cdn's are not free either
18:08 Fixer not fake if on VHS
18:09 rubenwardy I'd be willing to host a node on my server (Canada) providing I don't need to provide shell access, and can audit code
18:09 sofar mtmediasrv is fairly easy to deploy
18:09 sofar all you need is nginx plus it
18:09 sofar and then some scripting to git pull mods/games for assets
18:09 rubenwardy I gave up, and just used sfan5's script + an NGINX hack to treat a POST like a GET
18:09 rubenwardy also: why does Minetest POST?
18:10 sofar because it's smart
18:10 rubenwardy what does it POST?
18:10 sofar the hashes it needs
18:10 sofar sendign a GET for thousands of hashes that the server *has* is dumb
18:10 rubenwardy ?
18:10 sofar you're literally sending stuff the client doesn't need, and flooding it with a huge packet
18:11 rubenwardy Ah, I see
18:11 sofar the GET method and sfan5's script are ok if you have 200 media files
18:11 rubenwardy it needs to POST the required hashes
18:11 sofar if your joint media server has 20000 media files, 20000 media hashes will be sent
18:11 sofar that's *dumb*
18:11 sofar mtmediasrv solves that problem
18:12 sofar I would strongly recommend not using sfan5's script if you open host assets ... you're just making clients do more work at connection time
18:13 jas_ ?
18:13 jas_ the one in the github.com/minetest repo?
18:13 sfan5 sure the script is for hosting remote_media for a single server intance
18:13 sfan5 instance*
18:13 jas_ collectstatic.sh?
18:13 sofar right, for that it's probably fine
18:14 sofar still wasteful in one sense, but you don't need a cgi interface
18:14 sofar it's collectstatic.sh vs. https://github.com/minetest-tools/mtmediasrv/
18:15 sfan5 what does the client send as POST data again?
18:15 sofar hashes of files it needs (doesn't have)
18:15 sofar https://github.com/minetest-tools/​mtmediasrv/blob/master/main.go#L69
18:16 sfan5 oh right
18:16 sofar mtmediasrv would scale really well to large deployments, so I'm happy to run a deployment that would help a ton of server owners
18:16 tenplus1 Shara: does your nointeract priv code remove the player files on exit ?
18:16 sofar but, people would have to *want* it
18:17 sofar if nobody wants it, *shrug*
18:17 sofar I don't say I'd need 25 people, I just want to get an idea of whether people would use it
18:17 sofar heck 25$ isn't something big anyway
18:18 Shara tenplus1: no, not directly. Not sure if that would be possible
18:18 Shara Probably not desirable either
18:19 tenplus1 would help trim down player files and remove bots which would be handy :D
18:20 Shara You would be removing a player even if they relogged while working through the intro area, so wouldn't work for me
18:20 tenplus1 ah
18:20 Shara WOuld need to be a thing running on server restart most likely
18:20 Shara I should probably look at building it in properly at some point.
18:21 tenplus1 was thinking same :PPPP
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18:37 RobbieF Shara hi. What's up?
18:38 tenplus1 wb robbie :P
18:38 RobbieF if you need me PM may be best as it's very challenging to watch for pings in a room :)
18:38 RobbieF hi tenplus1
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18:42 tenplus1 hi chainlynx
18:43 oOChainLynxOo hello tenplus1
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18:56 CWz hello oOChainLynxOo
18:56 tenplus1 hi CWz
18:56 Mr_Pardison we now observe a wild CWz in its natural environment, casually interacting with others.
18:57 Krock hi oOChainLynxOo
18:57 CWz lol #minetest-greetings
18:58 tenplus1 :P
18:59 Mr_Pardison Well, I find that if you can make someone laugh, they will take kindly to you. Even brighten their day a bit.
18:59 tenplus1 agree'd
19:00 Mr_Pardison what do a banjo and an artillery shell have in common?
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19:00 tenplus1 ?
19:00 Mr_Pardison By the time you hear it, it's too late.
19:01 tenplus1 lol
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19:03 Fixer RobbieF: ohi, is that your PR rotting away in engine section, or i'm wrong?
19:04 RobbieF Fixer - I'm not sure. I haven't submitted anything recently.
19:04 Fixer i've noticed one more thing that sucks in minetest it seems
19:05 Fixer admin in mc beta server, repaired grief like instantly by a command (for certain chunk), and here it seems everything is slow
19:05 Fixer RobbieF: no wait, that was Rogier-5, lol
19:06 RobbieF Well, at least the first 2 characters of our names are the same  :p
19:07 * tenplus1 limits username numbers to 1 only ;d
19:08 Mr_Pardison but they seem to be learning how to circumvent that block on names.
19:09 tenplus1 they will eventually move onto fuzzy numbers and print them instead "onetwoseven" etc
19:09 Fixer loooooool
19:09 Mr_Pardison as long as there are usernames, there will always be spam names.
19:11 tenplus1 so true, idiot bots
19:11 Mr_Pardison I've seen so many bot names on RC that I've lost count.
19:12 tenplus1 shara is right though, would need to make a mod to stop bot players being saved at all, only after accomplishing something will they have privs
19:14 Fixer "bot players"
19:15 Mr_Pardison If only we could hit them with an EMP weapon....
19:15 tenplus1 ehehe
19:16 tenplus1 I'd like to know who actually sits back and writes the bots to join/leave the servers and why ???
19:16 Shara Why do you insist they are bots?
19:16 Mr_Pardison who: person who has time on there hands and doesn't want to do anything creative why: just for the halibut.
19:17 tenplus1 shara, after seeing the amount of names ending in 3 numbers each time it cant be normal players
19:17 Shara Ten, there's apps that automatically generate a name for the player
19:17 tenplus1 if it is then the client they are using auto-generates a name for them
19:17 tenplus1 yeh
19:17 Shara They don't choose them, they get given them
19:17 tenplus1 then those clients suck and they need the option of choosing there own names
19:18 Mr_Pardison they don't know how to use the official MT client.
19:18 Shara From what I could find out, in some at least you can change the name... but they don't.
19:18 Mr_Pardison IMO, that's the root cause.
19:18 tenplus1 in which case I would gladly block them
19:19 IhrFussel tenplus1, They have the option to change it...the apps auto-generate a username + random passwore into the fields but users *could* change the name/password if they were smart enough
19:19 Mr_Pardison well, g2g for now will brb.
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19:19 IhrFussel password*
19:20 IhrFussel Most mobile players are little kids who don't even understand the concept of "accounts" probably
19:20 tenplus1 true
19:21 Shara Well, going to block them and start using remote media on DL as a christmas present to myself.
19:21 IhrFussel The app devs likely implemented those auto-generating names to stop the "app doesnt work cant connect to server" reviews that many posted cause they tried to connect with empty names to a server
19:21 Shara Then if that goes well, I'll block them on RC too
19:23 CWz how will that work?
19:25 IhrFussel Theoretically server owners could just block any <=0.4.14 clients connecting... those who use the official app most likely use 0.4.16 and Multicraft uses 0.4.16 too I think..or 0.4.15
19:26 IhrFussel But many apps use 0.4.11 - 0.4.14 still
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19:27 IhrFussel Of course that would also block some legitim people (on PC with older clients) but I don't think there is any solution without false positives
19:28 Shara 0.5 will take care of that anyway
19:28 tenplus1 this is why i was so eager for 0.5.0
19:28 IhrFussel Maybe a combination of different methods would make it more reliable
19:28 Shara But I worry it will take care of it a bit too strongly
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19:29 tenplus1 it sounds harsh but forcing mods to be 0.5.0 compliant and servers to use 0.5.0 would also force mobile users and pc players to use official clients also... it would help a lot
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19:29 IhrFussel 0.5.0 will also have those bad clients sometime in the future ... paramat's hope is that the Android version will have improved before that so Multicraft users feel the official app is usable
19:30 Mr_Pardison or if they would get with the program and use the official game client.
19:30 tenplus1 exactly...  once 0.5.0 stable is out am gonna recommend to all players on server to use official client for playing
19:31 IhrFussel Multicraft won't update to 0.5.0 (at release) ... but as soon as our official repo has a buildable Android version there will be new 3rd-party apps very soon
19:31 Shara I don't want to switch to 0.5 unless the android version is improved first, and I have players confirm they are willing to switch to it
19:32 Mr_Pardison I only use PC and if I do use my phone (when I have it but I don't need it since it's my mom's old deactivated one) I use the official game client from the APK
19:32 IhrFussel App devs just don't offer a 0.5.0 Android version yet because nobody is able to compile it right now...c++11 changes broke a lot of stuff it seems
19:33 IhrFussel But when 0.5.0 Android is fixed, it will just be a "clone repo and add ad code" really
19:34 tenplus1 sadly one of the drawbacks to opensource games
19:35 Mr_Pardison anything that could be put into the code to prevent that without making it closed-source? like it would delete itself if it was being used for the game in an unofficial client.
19:37 tenplus1 it would be ideal if we had a failsafe
19:44 tenplus1 if it were possible to find otu executable name of client and have it checkable on pre-join so server owners could kick those who arent running "minetest"
19:45 rubenwardy lol
19:45 Mr_Pardison it's true and would be helpful if it were possible.
19:45 Mr_Pardison anyone know any state-sponsored Russian hackers?
19:45 Mr_Pardison JK
19:45 tenplus1 lol
19:55 Krock Mr_Pardison, CrazyRussianHacker @youtube
19:55 Krock does "pretty cool life hax"
19:55 tenplus1 lol, been watching his army food videos earlier :D
19:55 Mr_Pardison Chinese state-sponsored ones?
20:13 tenplus1 :)
20:13 benrob0329 :)
20:13 rubenwardy (:
20:13 RobbieF Good night all.
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20:13 tenplus1 ntie dude
20:14 IhrFussel The areas mod doesn't like the ´ char it seems...when someone protects with it it just says <invalid UTF-8 string>
20:14 benrob0329 Gnight RobbieF
20:14 IhrFussel As protection name which makes it impossible to view the ID
20:16 IhrFussel Weird...now ´ worked
20:17 tenplus1 lol
20:20 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=6342&amp;p=302892#p302892
20:21 tenplus1 le click
20:22 Mr_Pardison bait
20:23 tenplus1 was a good mod at the time...
20:25 CWz i wonder if it possible to to make a mapgen that repeats the same schematic across the x z axis
20:26 tenplus1 on generate and a counter would do that prolly
20:27 CWz hmm so no need for a voxelmanip?
20:28 tenplus1 clear all biomes and decoration, use on_generate to instantly place schem file at position... shoudl work
20:28 CWz hmmm interesting
20:28 tenplus1 what kinda schem ?
20:30 CWz basically i was thinking of having the spawn on my server loop over and over again to freak people out next aprilfools
20:32 CWz those two always split on us
20:32 CWz must be banana people
20:32 Mr-Pardison so did amalon and ESP-Creative.
20:39 CWz Libreoffice: [place holder for message]
20:40 CWz dafaq
20:40 tenplus1 ??
20:40 tenplus1 I like libreoffice :D
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20:48 tenplus1 wb
20:56 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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21:01 Mr-Pardison l8r peeps
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21:07 rubenwardy MaTrIx Is AmAzInG
21:09 sofar not you too
21:09 rubenwardy lol
21:09 rubenwardy do I need at /s
21:09 rubenwardy *a
21:09 rubenwardy You know that doesn't work right?
21:09 sofar lol, you still have ops
21:10 sofar I was just messing
21:10 rubenwardy you'd think they'd at least distribute their servers, so all users don't go down at the same time
21:10 rubenwardy or at all
21:10 rubenwardy maybe they're taking devops advice from Reddit
21:11 IhrFussel Will this remove any non-1byte-char at the end of a string? string.gsub(s, "[^\128-\191][\128-\191]*$", "")
21:13 sofar ok folks, I want to run an experiment
21:13 sofar listen up
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21:14 sofar I've just made a new mtmediasrv instance in AWS
21:14 sofar and I'm going to make it public
21:14 sofar what I need is server owners to use it
21:14 sofar for that, you need the address
21:14 sofar and, you need to tell me what mods you have (git trees)
21:16 sofar that way I can keep the media current and refresh it regularly
21:16 Shara So it only works if you don't run customised mods?
21:16 sofar it will work at all times
21:16 sofar even with custom mods
21:16 rubenwardy it's hash based, so you can have multiple versions of the same mod
21:16 sofar yep
21:17 Shara Just as an example though, maybe servers may run mods that are not available anywhere you could checl
21:17 * Jordach looks at solar plains
21:17 Shara check*
21:17 Jordach my textures keep changing
21:17 sofar that's fine
21:17 sofar no issues at all with that
21:18 Shara I guess I am just curious why you need the to know the mods. (Asking for that, especially when a server uses a lot of mods, could be offputting to people who might overwise gain a lot by using it)
21:18 rubenwardy so he can get the media files
21:18 sofar you can omit mods you don't want to disclose
21:18 sfan5 consider checking the toplist of mods used on public servers
21:18 sofar but I need to get the media files :)
21:19 sofar sfan5: yes, but URL's are sometimes hard to come by
21:19 Shara Hmm, maybe everyone else wouldn't be as awkward as me - I have customised textures in almost every mod I use :P
21:20 sofar if you just modified a few, it will still help your server
21:20 sofar plus I can do multiple versions of a mod
21:20 Shara A lot of mods just don't optimise textures well, so I tend to adjust.
21:21 sofar I best start a forum thread
21:21 sofar push those changes upstream. problems solved for everyone.
21:22 Fixer classic shell is rip and open source yet again
21:22 Fixer Jordach: but will it have solar panels?
21:22 Jordach a variation on it, yes
21:30 sofar afk a bit, then I'll post a forum thread
21:38 Fixer meanwhile mod in mc beta from 2011: https://i.imgur.com/bZBbvA3.png
21:40 Fixer pretty much same thing as local_map_saving, but you can on/off it on the fly, and you can start in singleplayer without fuzz (while in minetest you need to provide bunch of files)
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22:04 IhrFussel Bash is much better at detecting multibyte chars
22:04 IhrFussel Well..it's faster
22:05 IhrFussel I mean easier... just requires grep
22:07 Fixer AW YEAHHHH https://mackeepersecurity.com/post/virtual-keyboa​rd-developer-leaked-31-million-of-client-records
22:12 jas_ what is "craftresult" list?  in lua_api.txt, it's called "craftpreview" ... referring to this pr now merged: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4779/f​iles#diff-074850a88796e13dad12dd7ae1a8d9f7R3676 ... i wonder if there's two different lists, there.  i also wonder about this "hand" list. hmmmm
22:24 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=18951
22:25 sofar *please* use it and let me know which mods you'd want hosted
22:26 IhrFussel So nerzhul seems to attempt to add server-sent client mods to the CSM fixes PR ... I didn't think it could be that easy (or is that just an empty goal?)
22:26 sofar also, any questions on it, either post them in the thread or ask me
22:26 sofar it's not too difficult
22:27 IhrFussel I recall a bigger discussion about it from sometime ago ... things like "how to cache it" were mentioned
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22:28 IhrFussel Also Wuzzy's security concerns
22:29 IhrFussel hello Sokomine
22:31 sofar the caching will be done just like images - by hash
22:36 IhrFussel sofar, what about conflicts? User already installed their own xyz CSM and the server tries to send it
22:37 sofar not an issue, those are not in the same path structure at all
22:37 IhrFussel Ok so server-sent mods will get their own directory?
22:37 sofar as for mod conflicts, possible that it happens, always a player issue
22:38 IhrFussel Or will the mods just exist inside the cache folder?
22:38 sofar no, they get a temporary location
22:39 IhrFussel I just hope it will be "impossible" to modify the server sent mods
22:42 sofar it will always be possible to modify it
22:42 sofar vi src/....
22:43 sofar ok so, anyone, remote media server?
22:44 IhrFussel Sorry I meant without editing c++ source code since only very few people know how to do that I'd guess
22:44 sofar should be very difficult
22:44 sofar highly unpractical, even
22:45 sofar the temp folder only will exist for a split moment
22:45 sofar once the client is collected, it is destroyed immediately
22:52 sofar mtmediasrv: Number of media files: 5640
22:52 IhrFussel Ah so the client receives the .lua files, then immediately executes them and deletes them?
22:52 sofar ok, so I have 140+ mods in my public media server already, and it's ready to be used
22:53 sofar anyone?
22:55 sofar rubenwardy: ctf server?
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23:02 Fixer What is this? https://i.imgur.com/39KNnU9.png
23:02 Fixer sofar: dreambuilder modpack?
23:02 Fixer rubenwardy: bot-like players ^^^
23:04 shivajiva sofar: nice idea to have a central media server, pretty sure it will pick up servers over the next few weeks
23:05 sofar druimbuilder? not sure it will fit, lol
23:05 sofar technic for sure
23:05 sofar homedecor is already on there
23:09 IhrFussel Does the auth handler PR meet the backporting requirements?
23:32 Fixer sofar: it is like 20 mb, iirc
23:33 sofar but it essentially duplicates a ton of mods
23:33 sofar most of which are already there
23:33 Fixer sofar: 31 mb (without .git), 62mb with git, yes, duplicates
23:33 Fixer yeah
23:33 Fixer you can pick ones that are absent
23:35 sofar well, I added it. 1500+ additional media files
23:35 sofar mtmediasrv: Number of media files: 6692
23:35 Fixer Calinou: https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DQXb5ISXUAUChVl.jpg:large
23:37 Fixer sofar: advtrains?
23:38 sofar do you run a server?
23:38 sofar lol
23:39 sofar no use asking for it unless you run a server with those mods, and you'll use the public remote media server
23:41 Fixer sofar: nope, but someone was running advtrains
23:42 sofar it's up to them to ask
23:42 sofar I'll add some really common mods, from reliable sources
23:43 Shara sofar: ethereal is probably common enough to be worth including
23:48 sofar nobody has used it yet
23:49 sofar right now it's 100% wasted time :)
23:50 Shara Give them a chance. Most server owners are cautious types and will want to understand it a bit first :)

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