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00:42 Megaf Hey ThomasMonroe
00:42 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf!!
00:42 ThomasMonroe we closed on our home yesterday :)
00:43 Megaf I don't really understand what that means, but if you are happy I'm happy for you
00:43 Megaf :)
00:47 ThomasMonroe we bought the house yesterday
00:47 ThomasMonroe :P
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00:57 benrob0329 ThomasMonroe: Congrats!
00:58 ThomasMonroe thanks ben
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01:13 Megaf ThomasMonroe: that's good news indeed!
01:14 Megaf new city?
01:22 ThomasMonroe yes, and new church :/
01:23 Calinou that's a building project, build it in Minetest
01:23 * Calinou hides
01:27 ThomasMonroe lol
01:27 ThomasMonroe hey Calinou could you re-invite me to the lichess team?
01:28 ThomasMonroe and thanks for introducing me to that awesome community :) I already know the head dev :P
01:28 Calinou yeah, I know him too
01:28 Calinou he's French, yet he doesn't sound French :D
01:30 Calinou ThomasMonroe: request an invite here: https://lichess.org/team/minetest
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01:45 ThomasMonroe Calinou, done thanks
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01:46 Grandolf what is that?
01:46 ThomasMonroe what's what Grandolf?
01:47 Grandolf https://lichess.org/team/minetest
01:47 ThomasMonroe its a team for playing chess on lichess.org
01:48 ThomasMonroe I play there often
01:48 Grandolf hows joining work?
01:48 ThomasMonroe same as anything I would imagine
01:49 Megaf lichess?
01:49 ThomasMonroe yep
01:49 Megaf Ah
01:49 Megaf I don't play chess
01:52 Calinou ThomasMonroe: accepted :)
01:53 Grandolf plz accept me 2  :D
01:53 Calinou I accepted Grandolf actually, didn't see the request from ThomasMonroe
01:53 Calinou I confused you two :P
01:53 Grandolf im an ok player, ik how chess works
01:53 Grandolf ty :D
01:53 sofar 1. e4
01:55 Grandolf minetest forum gven on lichess page is not readable by normal members it seems (i am getting a not authorized message)
02:00 ThomasMonroe lol sofar
02:02 ThomasMonroe 1. c5
02:04 sofar black can't move first
02:05 sofar you don't write the move count again for black's moves
02:05 sofar you'd simply write:
02:05 sofar .. c5
02:10 ThomasMonroe ok 2. c5 then
02:10 ThomasMonroe :P
02:14 sofar white can't move black's pieces
02:15 sofar I've seen "1. .. c5"
02:15 sofar lol
02:15 sofar afk
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03:05 benrob0329 This message is posted from curl, because matrix is that cool :P
03:16 rubenwardy Grandolf, the topic was deleted. I've restored it
03:16 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=17&t=12783
03:17 Grandolf kk
04:02 benrob0329 I feel like Minetest could be marketed as a Lua game engine
04:04 ThomasMonroe lol
04:04 ThomasMonroe C++ head and Lua body
04:04 ThomasMonroe er head and torso
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08:16 sofar so here's a concept I'm thinking of working on:
08:17 sofar 2fa authentication in minetest
08:17 sofar require a valid email
08:17 sofar question for server operators: would you object to also requiring server owners to verify *their* server ownership with the server?
08:18 sofar (it seems self evident to me that trust should go both ways)
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08:30 sofar I guess I'll wait for comments
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09:45 sfan5 what would that achieve?
09:49 Krock git log
09:49 Krock err.. wrong window :)
09:54 Krock I guess that would make it harder for players to register an account and thus, less short-time visitors
09:55 Krock or less visitors in general as they're not happy about having to provide an email unless there are guest logins
11:44 Roger9 err... yay
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13:04 FourFire So I'm running a server now
13:04 FourFire and installing "standard" mods for a PvP, survival server.
13:05 FourFire I'm wondering how I can best contact maikerune, who is among other things the author of mc_mobs
13:05 FourFire I'm going to try to hack the wolf code so that it respawns owned wolves when you log in after they have despawned
13:15 Krock he's quite active on youtube
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13:27 Megaf Greetings
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13:36 IhrFussel I wanted to see how many IPs try to hack my machine when I disable fail2ban for a bit...it's crazy o.o
13:37 Megaf IhrFussel: how are you checking that?
13:37 IhrFussel Megaf, sudo grep *Failed /var/log/auth.log
13:38 Megaf I dont have auth here
13:39 IhrFussel They mostly try to access it as "root" or "admin" so likely automatic scripts, connecting to random ssh servers
13:39 IhrFussel Do you have fail2ban ?
13:39 Megaf nope
13:40 IhrFussel You should probably install it, it automatically bans every IP that entered a wrong password for ssh X times (configurable) for X secs
13:41 Megaf ssh does that
13:41 Megaf my sshd wil ignore after 3 attempts
13:41 sfan5 you shouldn't be using password authentication anyway
13:41 Megaf and its also set to allow x attempts every x time
13:41 Megaf sfan5: certificate auth is overated
13:42 Megaf I have a long and random password.
13:42 sfan5 did i say you should be using cert auth?
13:42 IhrFussel Well fail2ban is still better I think...it bans (in my case) every IP that entered 5 times a wrong password within 10 minutes ... the ban lasts for 1 hour
13:42 Megaf aha
13:42 Megaf sfan5: What I'm going to do in the near future is use two factor auth
13:42 Megaf using Google Authenticator
13:43 Megaf IhrFussel: so, sshd here waits 30 seconds max for the password to be entered, and it will allow only 4 failed attempts. Also, it allows only a single connection per IP
13:44 Megaf And I don't use defualt ssh port
13:44 Megaf other thing that helps is forcing it to only accept ssh 2 clients, nto ssh 1
13:45 Fixer teleporting to 2011 in 3...2...1
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13:48 Megaf Fixer: I'm always open for sugestions on how to improve things. But I will not accept a (you are wrong, the way you are doing its outdated, the way you are doing is not secure.)
13:48 Megaf Fixer: so if you have a solution you think is best, just saying. Otherwise, please stay quiet.
13:49 Fixer Megaf: was not reply to you in any way, just started mc beta 1.7.3 multiplayer session ._.
13:49 Megaf Fixer: In that case, lol
13:49 IhrFussel fail2ban + disallow root login should be enough for most cases
13:50 Megaf IhrFussel: it depends to whom you ask and how much a person wants to get into your server
13:50 Megaf IMHO
13:55 Megaf IhrFussel: I'm reading my ssh log here. Basically no failed attempts, couldnt find a single one so far
13:56 Megaf IhrFussel: I have some incorrect protocol login attempts
13:56 IhrFussel Megaf, that seems impossible...is it your MT server? I'm guessing your log doesn't report correctly, there should be at least a few access attempts per day
13:56 Megaf that sshd blocked because I made protocol 2 strict
13:56 Megaf again, I dont use standard ssh port
13:57 Megaf these scripts will just try port 22 or other well used ports
13:57 IhrFussel Okay well that reduces the attempts of course...
14:02 * Megaf listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOSJUHOnRWc ( Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb [Extended Studio Version] )
14:05 * Jordach turns up the gopnik hardbass
14:06 Calinou hi :)
14:07 Calinou Megaf: you can change the SSH port to fend off most bot attacks
14:07 Calinou (like, 80% of them)
14:07 Calinou but yes, consider disabling password authentication
14:07 Megaf Hey Calinou
14:07 Calinou generate a public/private key pair, and keep the private key safe
14:07 Calinou (on your PC + external storage or something)
14:07 Megaf that doesnt work for me
14:07 Jordach i kept my server on port 22 to endlessly frustrate bots
14:07 Calinou hmm, why not?
14:08 Megaf I reinstall the OS and change devices all the time
14:08 Calinou that's why I said you can put it on an USB drive
14:08 Megaf and change the OS often too
14:09 Megaf Jordach: the bass is so boosted in that video even my bassless earphone is pumping some bass to my ears
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14:11 Shara sofar: verify in what way?
14:12 Shara Also would lose a whole bunch of players if you demand an email address.
14:13 Megaf I have no idea how but I just entered  "∫" in a terminal
14:14 Shara To be honest, requiring an email address to join a server has always felt like a broken idea to me, because those who are going to be abusive of the server can easily create a throw away email address, and it's only genuine players who, for whatever reason can't or don't want to give an email,  get caught out
14:17 Calinou yeah
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14:25 IhrFussel Does anyone in here use "books" on their server? And if so are already written default books compatible with them?
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14:34 Megaf Well, I had root login enabled here. Just created a non admin user and disabled root login
14:34 Megaf still using password though
15:06 Megaf !ping
15:07 Megaf MinetestBot: you really should have a !ping
15:08 CWz pong
15:08 Megaf Thanks CWz
15:08 Megaf How are you?
15:09 Krock Megaf, there is.. kinda.
15:09 Krock <3 MinetestBot
15:09 MinetestBot <3 Krock
15:09 sfan5 also
15:09 sfan5 MinetestBot!
15:09 MinetestBot sfan5!
15:09 Megaf That one will do
15:09 Megaf MinetestBot!
15:09 MinetestBot Megaf!
15:09 Megaf I like that
15:09 Megaf Thanks Krock sfan5
15:10 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
15:11 sfan5 uh
15:11 * MinetestBot purrs
15:15 * Jordach turns up the eurobeat
15:19 * Megaf searching for free Raspberry Pi colocation
15:28 * Shara approves of purring bots.
15:31 Megaf Thankfully I'm still the only roaring one
15:40 * Shara takes note that Megaf is a bot
15:40 Megaf Oh no
15:41 Megaf There's enough people thinking I 'm a bot already
15:41 Megaf no need for more people to think the same
15:41 Krock can someone please turn off CleverBot for Megaf? That bot talks too much IMO
15:42 Megaf lol
15:45 Megaf This would run minetestserver quite nicely https://order.servermania.com/products​/b1ffbebb-69aa-486b-46b4-2aea4bd497be
15:47 Krock A decimal place less in the price would be more attractive
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15:51 Krock can't get it over $14k monthly using the most expensive "Dual Intel Xeon E5-2650v4, 24x2.2 Ghz"
15:53 Krock found some more expensive extensions. $15k/month now
15:53 Krock ^ Megaf interested? 32 TB SSD and 1 TiB RAM
15:54 * Jordach has a server running on x64 Intel Atom
15:54 Jordach 8 cores, 2.4Ghz, 32GB RAM
15:55 Shara Something tells me the cost per month of all currently running public MT servers won't come to that :)
15:55 Krock Shara, definitely not :)
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15:57 Jordach i don't even pay for the server at jordach.net anymore
15:57 Jordach my friend pays for the server, and i just maintain it
15:57 Jordach (ensuring it works just fine)
15:58 Shara I pay for hosting RC, but not for DL.
16:04 Jordach Shara, the previous server install was debian
16:04 Jordach got literally broken by installing nginx with node over a LAMP stack that operated fine
16:04 rubenwardy anyone finding that Minetest no longer has usernames as case insensitive?
16:04 rubenwardy hmmm
16:04 rubenwardy maybe that's a sauth issue
16:04 Krock update squth
16:04 Shara I recall shivajiva mentioning doing something to account for it a while back
16:05 rubenwardy ah ok
16:05 rubenwardy I just did
16:05 rubenwardy so hopefully will be fixed now
16:06 Shara Jordach: how did that break it?
16:06 Krock duplicate names are something that the auth handler has to care bout
16:06 Jordach Shara, LAMP has active sites running, and nginx borked it all
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16:06 Jordach any attempt at installing nginx results in cron uninstalling it
16:06 Megaf lol
16:06 Shara Hmmm... used nginx before, without problem... but that was long long ago.
16:06 Megaf apache/lighttpd for the win
16:06 Jordach nginx doesn't do virtual sites properly
16:07 rubenwardy it does
16:07 sfan5 debian just fucked up probably
16:07 rubenwardy I think you tried to get Apache and Nginx both listening on 80
16:07 rubenwardy heh
16:07 Shara :D
16:07 rubenwardy <3 Nginx
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16:07 Jordach i try and do the following: automation > uptime > speed
16:08 rubenwardy I have about 20 virtual sites on my nginx server
16:08 rubenwardy no idea how
16:08 rubenwardy (not including http->https redirects)
16:10 Jordach rubenwardy, i made a super simple auto restart script for my server, and tries for server uptime over constant restarts
16:10 rubenwardy huh
16:10 rubenwardy I use systemd for that
16:10 Jordach rubenwardy, mine makes use of request_shutdown
16:10 rubenwardy wait, do you mean Minetest server?
16:10 Jordach yes
16:10 rubenwardy ah
16:10 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/bl​ob/master/mods/auto_maintainence/init.lua
16:10 rubenwardy why is that a part of your subgame? :D
16:11 Jordach because it's one of those extras that might be useful
16:11 Jordach considering my dev server runs 24/77
16:11 Jordach -7
16:11 Jordach i never have to ssh into it and update ever again
16:11 rubenwardy "This incident WILL be reported."  --> nothing to report the incident in code
16:11 Jordach it's the classic sudo reference
16:12 Jordach https://xkcd.com/838/
16:21 Jordach http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/online_communities.png holy shit it's like four continents now
16:23 rubenwardy there's a follow up to that, iirc
16:25 Krock next to the sea of memes
16:27 benrob0329 Krock: Pretty sure its an ocean now
16:27 Krock and on its deep, deep ground there are the dank cliffs
16:28 benrob0329 Vast and expansive, nobody knows whats in the deep depths of it.
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16:59 Jordach :thinking:
17:15 Megaf Krock: not sure if it's a good idea getting users here
17:15 Megaf because they can't talk...
17:15 Megaf Krock: unless you can do /msg chanserv voice #Minetest-Hub username
17:16 Megaf or #channel voice, not sure about the order
17:16 Megaf That would be the correct command. /msg chanserv voice #Minetest-Hub UserNick
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17:19 IhrFussel If I DC again today I'll call my ISP and tell them to fix it
17:19 Megaf define DC
17:20 IhrFussel WAN disconnected
17:21 benrob0329 IhrFussel: did you reset your modem?
17:22 IhrFussel Nah it's pretty new, I could try a cold boot though before I call them
17:24 * Jordach un-hardcoded mover's logic and into user definable tables as part of the global
17:24 Jordach no overrides required
17:24 Jordach https://gist.github.com/Jordach/​7d38cc43d28e2511de7f615a9ac7f737
17:29 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY
17:45 Fixer "The only thing I think is good in Bedrock is insanely quick performance. I like playing it just to experience the 64 chunk render distance and seeing solid 60 FPS"
17:45 Fixer thats vrange 1024
17:50 Megaf I think Im in love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXzcIoq2ing
17:50 Megaf shes amazing
17:51 Fixer hmm, minetest mentioned in https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/​comments/7g484o/java_edition_wont_b​e_part_of_better_together/dqhmeqj/
17:53 Fixer dwarf fortress new update ;)
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18:18 Krock Megaf, in love with her or the piece of cheese?
18:19 Megaf Her
18:19 Megaf The cheese is nice too
18:19 rubenwardy <Krock> Megaf, in love with her or the piece of cheese?
18:19 rubenwardy what
18:19 rubenwardy r/nocontext
18:19 Megaf ruben, actually it is
18:19 Megaf if you watch the video
18:19 Krock rubenwardy, post it there if you want
18:19 rubenwardy ah, just read the logs
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18:45 benrob0329 I lost my will to make a reddit account when they stopped being Open Source
18:45 benrob0329 They're no longer the little guys at this point, yet they try to play things off as if they are.
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19:01 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://www.over-yonder.net/​~fullermd/rants/winstupid/1
19:09 Megaf amazing website
19:09 Fixer WHAT IS CHEEEEEEESE
19:09 Megaf Fixer: a car
19:09 Megaf cheese lousie the first name
19:09 Megaf s/first/full
19:09 Fixer tea time
19:09 Megaf benrob0329: is his content open source?
19:09 Fixer Megaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUMVq4pY94
19:10 Megaf I mean, can I public it on my block?
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20:04 benrob0329 Megaf: ask him
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20:22 tenplus1 hi folks
20:26 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1
20:26 tenplus1 hi thomas :P
20:33 Megaf Hi tenplus1 ThomasMonroe
20:34 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf
20:34 tenplus1 hi Mega
20:34 tenplus1 fffff :P
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20:45 tenplus1 hi nerzhul
20:45 nerzhul hi tenplus1
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20:51 tenplus1 hi compunerd
20:51 compunerd Hi tenplus1
20:51 tenplus1 :P
21:01 tenplus1 ooh, laters folks :)))
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21:20 Megaf Calinou: Quassel dev seems to be quite slow now a days
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21:51 Fixer eh, rip eyes after setting up DF
21:51 Fixer Megaf: now DDC support in 2017, ofc it is slow
21:52 benrob0329 \>DCC
21:53 benrob0329 We have HTTP uploads ;-)
21:55 Calinou Megaf: it is :(
21:55 Calinou to be fair, it's quite mature now, but lacks many things in its latest stable release
21:55 Calinou (support for touch events, better hiDPI)
21:55 Calinou <benrob0329> They're no longer the little guys at this point, yet they try to play things off as if they are.
21:55 Calinou Reddit devs are a funny crowd indeed…
21:56 Calinou so much for being "4chan's smarter brother" :^)
21:56 rubenwardy fuck u/spez
21:56 Calinou what did they do?
21:56 Fixer what is " u/spez"?
21:57 Megaf Calinou: no SASL either
22:02 rubenwardy https://i.imgur.com/yZprES0.jpg
22:02 rubenwardy Fixer ^
22:02 rubenwardy TL;DR: spez is the CEO of reddit, and everyone hates him
22:02 Calinou Megaf: it does have SASL, I'm logged in via SASL right now :)
22:03 Fixer rubenwardy: oh
22:03 Megaf Calinou: hm, let me see
22:04 Fixer rubenwardy: reddit is no more open source too
22:04 benrob0329 I just have no reason to make an account anymore
22:05 benrob0329 Between Matrix and Mastodon there is plenty of discussion
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22:07 Megaf Calinou: Im using SASL now too :P
22:07 Calinou one of us! one of us!
22:08 Calinou Fixer: yeah, same for the mobile apps. I use RedReader, which is on F-Droid, for mobile
22:08 Fixer "now DDC support in 2017", correction: "no DDC support in 2017", even chatzilla has DDC
22:08 Calinou pretty decent client
22:08 Fixer Calinou: btw new f-droid client interface, horrible
22:09 Calinou yeah, it's weird
22:09 Calinou their attempt at making it app store-like was poor
22:09 Fixer i've shitted my pants when I seen that, had to furiously revert it back
22:09 Fixer it was unusable
22:10 * rubenwardy uses Sync
22:19 benrob0329 What..making Fdroid more like an actual app store is worse? Just..what?
22:19 Fixer benrob0329: UI was crippled as ----, and also confusing
22:19 benrob0329 I mean, syncing repos doesnt take a year now
22:20 sofar shivajiva: would you mind taking patches or working with me on an external api to sban? I really would like to have some sort of in-game gui for it that could directly use some of the internal methods
22:20 benrob0329 I see nothing confusing about it
22:21 Calinou some new parts of the app are pretty decent, but the discoverability isn't quite good IMO
22:21 Calinou not that a lot of new FOSS apps are released nowadays anyway :(
22:21 Fixer also, i can't find categories on their website anymore, which is a bu(a)mmer
22:22 rubenwardy ha!
22:22 rubenwardy https://f-droid.org/packag​es/net.minetest.minetest/
22:22 rubenwardy it says Minetest is CC-BY-SA 3.0
22:22 rubenwardy nope
22:23 benrob0329 Who manages the Fdroid app?
22:23 rubenwardy it's automatic
22:25 rubenwardy https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fd​roiddata/merge_requests/2705
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22:35 nerzhul https://www.geeksaresexy.net/2017/12/03/un​ico-smartbrush-brush-teeth-just-3-seconds/
22:35 nerzhul this is a revolution
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22:37 Jordach nerzhul, you mean someone made a jaw protector that actually cleans teeth>
22:38 Jordach we've had the tech to do this very thing for years and until now someone thinks of it
22:43 Fixer look at this rendering distance, just holy ---- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZBgDg9rmE
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22:45 Fixer seems like vrange 960
22:45 Fixer on their new engine
22:50 IhrFussel Wait item wear is ASC not DESC? That sounds stupid... a wear of 0 should indicate no wear left and not full wear
22:51 IhrFussel Or wait...wear makes sense there I guess...I was looking for a duration parameter
22:51 benrob0329 Fixer: I no longer trust product kickstarters
22:52 IhrFussel So does wear 65536 always mean item is gone?
22:52 benrob0329 Too many good videos made millions of dollars, while actual inventions died
22:55 shivajiva sofar: what do you think needs exposing? I omitted the formspec for perceived security reasons, partly driven by your comments on how loose it was.
22:57 Fixer benrob0329: what do you mean?
22:57 Jordach IhrFussel, think of it as item exp rather than say item wear
22:57 Jordach i actually use the wear system to level up mese picks
22:58 Jordach s/picks/toolsg
22:58 IhrFussel Jordach, I want to inform the player in the chat about armor that's about to break... is 65000 a reasonable amount for it?
22:58 Jordach IhrFussel, 65535/uses
22:59 Jordach then you can calculate the remaining uses from that
22:59 Jordach eg, get_wear() / uses
22:59 Jordach get_wear() / (65535 / uses)
22:59 benrob0329 Fixer: solar roads :^)
22:59 Jordach ^^^
23:00 Jordach *inserts Dave Jones EEVblog screeching*
23:00 Jordach fun fact
23:00 Jordach i might be half aussie
23:00 sofar shivajiva: formspec handling can be secured, and yes, it'll have to be
23:00 sofar shivajiva: mainly querying and adding new bans, essentially
23:01 sofar although I want to do something more intelligent than xban_gui, I found it useless most of the time
23:01 Jordach or just let me write it and it'll be reasonably good half the time
23:02 Jordach i've found most MTG related standards lacking
23:15 shivajiva it wasn't a nice implementation, preferred the commands myself
23:18 Fixer benrob0329: what solar roads?
23:19 benrob0329 Fixer: check PM
23:19 benrob0329 I dont want to do too much offtopic
23:19 shivajiva sofar: hope you are tracking the changes to sban
23:20 sofar *cough* sure
23:24 Shara I'm curious why a gui is needed.
23:25 sofar mostly because I'm incapable of remembering every damn command
23:25 rubenwardy I'd rather have features like being able to list all names a user has signed in
23:25 rubenwardy there's literally 3 though
23:25 rubenwardy ban, tempban and ban_record
23:25 sofar but also because I want simple things like being able of seeing the last actions of users and stuff liek that
23:26 rubenwardy it's good for when you're in game, not so helpful for over IRC
23:26 sofar yes but is it tempban <user> <time> <reason> or <time> <user> <reason> ?
23:26 sofar I don't do the irc thing
23:26 rubenwardy I've never had an issue remembering that \o/
23:26 benrob0329 sofar: /help tempban
23:27 sofar also, commands are ok, but if you want to ban someone for e.g. swearing, do you first go and check they have been tempbanned before?
23:27 benrob0329 :-)
23:27 Shara It's extremely easy to remember
23:27 sofar guys, relax
23:27 sofar I have a day job
23:27 sofar I know what manual pages are
23:27 Shara And if you have issues recalling the arguments, it would be easy to just have the rror message list the order (if it doesn't yet)
23:27 Shara error*
23:27 sofar more comfortable ways of maintaining bans should be possible
23:28 sofar it's not just that, as I said
23:28 shivajiva sban let's you know the player is already banned, you need to unban them to change a temp ban duration
23:28 sofar not that
23:28 Shara ban_record gives all the previous ban info
23:28 sofar I want to be able to see that they were previously tempbanned (and those have expired)
23:28 sofar ...
23:28 benrob0329 banhistory <usr> ?
23:28 Shara ban_record tells you
23:28 sofar ffs
23:28 sofar seriously
23:28 sofar I don't want to type 4 commands to get all the data
23:28 benrob0329 *chuckles*
23:28 sofar I'm not shell programming
23:29 Shara It's one command :D
23:29 sofar I have a day job
23:29 sofar no, it's /banhistory
23:29 sofar then /tempban
23:29 sofar then /tempban again cuz I made a typo
23:29 Shara lol
23:29 sofar so, 3 commands minimum
23:29 sofar oh, and then /unban becuase I banned the user '3d'
23:29 Shara We now need auto correct for Minetest
23:30 shivajiva sofar: rofl
23:30 sofar 1. gui, click user, see previous data, click "tempban 3d" button
23:30 sofar done
23:30 sofar that's what I want
23:30 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/5ovnvJg.png
23:31 shivajiva sofar: tied to what priv?
23:31 sofar server, obviously
23:32 shivajiva you don't give ban to moderators?
23:33 shivajiva seems it would need tiered access as before
23:33 sofar I don't have any on my server, but sure
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23:45 shivajiva sofar: pls open an issue, I'd think it should be an internal option so it's still shrink wrapped
23:51 Calinou https://camo.githubusercontent.com/d486f10​bb482de64645cc93df565ba18fe5e848d/68747470​733a2f2f6c75742e696d2f685771364d4a524e5468​2f6f4e4e4d4c5a48767251335430426e562e6a7067
23:51 Calinou https://github.com/Calinou/modern
23:51 Calinou I remember working on this texture pack last year :D
23:51 Calinou I don't have time to continue it :(
23:52 Fixer Calinou: pixelation
23:55 Fixer Calinou: seems a bit sharp in some places

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