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00:00 Shara benrob0329: Yup... and getting highest tier items in half hour is a bit fast, or at least I think so
00:04 benrob0329 Shara: it waaay too fast
00:05 benrob0329 After that it just becomes a loop of grinding materials and building whatever comes to mind
00:06 Shara It's why I say MTG has no progression
00:06 Fixer it has, but it is broken
00:07 Fixer half-ready
00:07 Shara I generaly look for, for example, things that make player mobility easier as you progress
00:07 Fixer half-done*
00:07 benrob0329 If you spend an afternoon strip and cave mining, you could probably build a house made of diamond blocks
00:07 Fixer diamond is not good for building
00:07 Shara Tell that to silly children :)
00:08 benrob0329 Well no, its ugly as a building material
00:08 benrob0329 But it gets really common after a ways down
00:08 Shara There's probably not enough content for real progression anyway
00:09 Shara But easily skipping tool tiers is bad
00:09 benrob0329 Perhaps making stone a bit harder to mine with low tier tools, but make progression have a sort of slope
00:09 Shara Sounds more like it makes it painful than better
00:09 benrob0329 Hmm, what if bronze was a plateau
00:09 Shara In what sense?
00:10 benrob0329 You had to work really hard to get diamond and Mese after that, but once you did everything else becomes way easier
00:10 benrob0329 I cannot English tonight apparently
00:11 Shara work hard in what sense though?
00:11 Shara Slowing digging isn't more difficult, it's just slower(/more boring)
00:11 benrob0329 Wood to mine stone, stone to mine iron, iron to mine copper to make bronze which coexists with steel tools for a while
00:12 Shara MT only has three tool levels currently
00:12 benrob0329 Diamond is further down, you dont get enough to make a pickaxe until you get really far down
00:12 Shara I think wood and stone should be seperate levels for starters
00:13 benrob0329 Perhaps get rid of stone tools
00:13 benrob0329 Make wood a broader tier to start out
00:13 Shara Na
00:13 benrob0329 Slow down the early levels, have a proper first night
00:15 Shara Slow down for what?
00:15 Shara What do you do in that time?
00:15 benrob0329 Build, explore
00:16 Shara They could already do that though
00:16 Shara players won't stay on the surface longer just because we want them to
00:17 benrob0329 True
00:17 benrob0329 An afternoon to become the richest person on the server is silly though
00:34 Fixer see, see, we have a problem (c)
01:57 Wayward_One heh, Spheretest is now on iOS
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04:18 CloudyTiger Hi all
04:18 jas_ greetings
04:23 Megaf I'm very tempted in dropping Linode and migrating to these guys https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml
04:25 benrob0329 Megaf: dedicated servers for $6 a month???
04:25 benrob0329 What..just...what???
04:25 benrob0329 thats cheaper than most VPS providers!!
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04:28 Megaf benrob0329: but they are quite old CPUs
04:29 Megaf and low end, some are Atoms
04:29 Megaf I'm sure my Linode is faster than a lot of those things
04:29 Megaf Im sure my Linode has better connection too
04:29 Megaf but yeah, dedicated at 6 USD is tempting
04:30 Megaf Theres actually someone here using them. Thats how I learned about this company
04:31 benrob0329 Megaf: I use HostHatch for my servers, but dedicated is very tempting
04:32 Megaf Now you know how I feel
04:32 Megaf Imagine having your own machine, full control
04:32 Megaf and nobody to steal your CPU
04:33 Megaf You can install a hypervisor of your choice and have as many VPSes as you wish
04:34 benrob0329 I don't have the funds though :-/
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04:38 Megaf You know what. I will try to setup a server on my Raspberry Pi 2 tomorrow and host it at my home
04:38 Megaf Quite sure it will be faster than the cheapest option there, that is a 7 years old single core dual thread Atom
04:42 benrob0329 Megaf: dew it
04:43 benrob0329 But maybe tell your ISP if you dont have a plan that says "give me extra bandwidth, I host stuff"
04:44 benrob0329 If your going to do a lot
04:48 Megaf Just a Minetest server...
05:04 Megaf Bedtime, 5 AM
05:04 Megaf good night all
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07:13 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/pull/6537#issuecomment-347096829
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08:05 Grandolf hi
08:07 Grandolf on some servers i cant talk with colured chat enabled, i have to disable it to talk only line i change is: load_mod_colour_chat = true into load_mod_colour_chat = false     it doesnt send me an error message, or anything. i can still do things like /me
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08:21 MinetestBot tenplus1: Nov-26 22:42 UTC <Fixer> is it possible to render that info intelligently (no tags if not directly visible), example https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=10&amp;t=10539&amp;start=900#p301594
08:21 tenplus1 hi folks
08:21 Grandolf hi
08:22 Grandolf <Grandolf> on some servers i cant talk with colured chat enabled, i have to disable it to talk only line i change is: load_mod_colour_chat = true into load_mod_colour_chat = false     it doesnt send me an error message, or anything. i can still do things like /me
08:22 tenplus1 hi Grandolf
08:22 Grandolf hi 11 :P
08:23 Grandolf anyways, whats the servers problem, i doubt its my side, since it works fine on some servers
08:24 tenplus1 some servers are using 0.5.0 and restricting csm usage I dare say, others are using versions previous to 0.4.16 so csm wont work properly
08:25 Grandolf kk, ty
09:11 shivajiva morning tenplus
09:11 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's things /
09:11 shivajiva not sure till I awaken fully
09:12 tenplus1 ehehe, coffee time :D
09:26 tenplus1 Simple Skins updated with list fix :) thanks shiva
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09:49 tenplus1 hi nrz
10:26 * tenplus1 passes nrz super strong coffee
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10:44 tenplus1 bbl
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12:49 Jordach so apparently my note 8 can run dreambuilder
13:06 Fixer for 5 minutes?
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13:36 Jordach Fixer, it's got 6GB LDDR4
13:36 Jordach like ass is it going to crash
13:36 Fixer lel
13:36 Fixer Jordach: luajit can use only 1gb iirc
13:36 Jordach it's got 2-4x the RAM of the chink shit phones
13:36 Jordach secondly
13:37 Jordach android builds don't JIT
13:38 * Jordach waits for Wayward_One to drop a phat 0.5-dev android build
13:38 * Jordach thinks
13:39 * Mr_Pardison seeks
13:39 Jordach the iCrap devices won't be able to run 0.5-dev and 0.5.x
13:39 Jordach Crapp store prevents apps running scripting languages that can be changed by the user
13:39 Mr_Pardison which is exactly why I will never get an i device
13:40 Fixer Jordach: oh
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13:58 * benrob0329 makes a mastodon account
13:59 Mr_Pardison sounds rather large.
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14:45 benrob0329 Does anyone else here have a Mastodon account?
14:46 * Mr_Pardison has no clue what that is
14:46 Mr_Pardison so, no.
14:46 Wayward_One lol Jordach
14:46 benrob0329 https://joinmastodon.org/
14:47 benrob0329 Its like Twitter, but open and decentralized
14:52 benrob0329 @benrob0329@mastodon.art
14:53 * Mr_Pardison is busy and ignores the chat for a bit
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15:25 FourFire Okay, I'm hopelessly confused about permanent mod storage. can someone link me a mod where it is used
15:26 FourFire That is, a function where you store a local variable between loads and saves.
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15:37 Jordach https://youtu.be/MzdLLpf9y9o
15:47 shivajiva FourFire: https://github.com/shivajiva10​1/border/blob/master/init.lua
15:47 FourFire shivajiva, thanks, hopefully i can figure it out for my own mod
15:49 shivajiva that's about the simplest method, if you want complexity store a table in the string by serializing/deserializing it just as you would for a file
15:51 shivajiva this is just safe file handling, they do the load/save parts so you only concern yourself with using it
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15:51 IhrFussel Does set_hp() call register_on_punchplayer() ?
15:55 shivajiva not afaik, it's just an ObjectRef method
15:58 sfan5 shivajiva: i hope you are aware that using core.auth_table is not portable and can blow up at any time
15:58 IhrFussel I changed the lucky_block mod code so that it's compatible with my custom HP system...I set obj:set_hp() in the lightning code and when it happens ingame I get "This player has PvP disabled" which is a line in my pvp mod -> playerpunch callback
16:01 IhrFussel I will restart once more
16:04 shivajiva sfan5: yea, it has been noted that's just a hack to stop vpn trolls making new accounts when it gets stupid
16:05 sfan5 it seems there is no function to just get someones auth data
16:05 Mr_Pardison so that would eliminate the use of dynamic ip address users bypassing bans?
16:05 shivajiva minetest.get_auth should be used really in that scenario
16:06 shivajiva yes Mr_P
16:06 sfan5 that function is not documented anywhere
16:06 Mr_Pardison sweet.
16:07 Mr_Pardison has traveling Kitty been notified of this kind of thing as I think that it would help with that problem.
16:07 IhrFussel if objs[n]:is_player() then objs[n]:set_hp(1) end <<< this right here calls my pvp mod and I wonder WHY
16:07 sfan5 you probably want minetest.get_auth_handler().get_auth
16:07 shivajiva I'll change it, I had a word with tenplus about using core.auth_table directly but I think it's the only piece of code around that uses it
16:08 sfan5 the auth stuff is terribly documented
16:08 sfan5 only registering is documented with a note essentially saying "just read the code lol"
16:08 Mr_Pardison that's horrible.
16:08 shivajiva don't worry I know it like the back of my hand now lol
16:09 shivajiva to write an auth handler and you have to know how it works
16:09 shivajiva -and
16:11 Jordach anyone got examples of how mod_storage works
16:13 shivajiva hmm it's in my code, tbh it's stunningly simple
16:13 jas_ https://github.com/jastevenson30​3/terminal/blob/master/init.lua
16:14 jas_ it works the same as itemstack and node meta
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16:17 shivajiva local mod_data = minetest.get_mod_storage then you use mod_data:get_string(<string>) and mod_data:set_string(<string>, value)
16:17 shivajiva really simple
16:18 Mr_Pardison shivajiva: check out what just happened on d/l. Could use your help on that issue.
16:18 nerzhul sfan5, at a point we should lock the auth to core i think it's not safe, and i don't think any custom backend is SRP compatible no ?
16:18 sfan5 nerzhul: the auth handler just stores data, no password hashing involved
16:20 Jordach shivajiva, you mean it works in the same way as friggin player storage?
16:21 Mr_Pardison record shows you ban records for them for some reason. grrrrrr
16:23 shivajiva Jordach: yup, pretty much
16:23 Jordach shivajiva, FUCKING GLORIOUS
16:24 Jordach honhonhon
16:24 sfan5 baguette
16:25 Mr_Pardison tasty.
16:25 Jordach *french wallhacking noises*
16:25 Mr_Pardison I've made those before sourdough variety)
16:25 * Mr_Pardison goes back to being overwatch
16:25 shivajiva that's why I'm making a series of replacement mods that use sqlite for the storage component
16:28 shivajiva allows a small chunk of data for the online players to be cached whilst retaining the full data securely
16:30 shivajiva areas being the obvious exception as it requires all of the data at load but at least the data is safe
16:33 sfan5 hm looking at the code now it seems that the duplicate name prevention does not work on servers with sauth (unless sauth implements this again)
16:33 sfan5 can someone confirm?
16:33 shivajiva even data blobs up to 10k load faster than standard file access but with no way to pipe the blob to the core for image use other than writing the file it's not going to help
16:33 shivajiva sfan5: it duplicates it
16:33 sfan5 i see, thanks
16:36 shivajiva if the core could use blobs directly we could have a skin db fully contained i.e. no external texture storage
16:38 Jordach shivajiva, technically i already do that, minus blob self containment
16:41 shivajiva yes I have the rawdata.txt
16:41 shivajiva I'm making a skin_db mod that uses MT skins DB
16:43 shivajiva uses a management form, the admin chooses which skins to make visible to the players/moderators from the full set
16:45 shivajiva I'm having fun with the formspec but it's coming along nicely
16:58 IhrFussel So set_hp() DOES call punchplayer callback...I just added another check "if punchername ~= playername then" in my pvp mod and lucky blocks damage works!
16:59 IhrFussel For some reason the game thought the player was trying to punch themselves
16:59 Mr_Pardison lol
16:59 shivajiva sounds a bit twisted
16:59 Mr_Pardison why are you punching yourself?
17:01 IhrFussel Actually...it still thinks that I just told my pvp punchplayer callback to ignore the punch if the names match ... stamina uses set_hp() too though and the pvp mod doesn't trigger there...very very weird
17:02 shivajiva wondering if your code links them rather than the core
17:03 IhrFussel I simply use tenplus1's lucky_block and replaced the obj:punch with obj:set_hp() that's it
17:06 shivajiva certainly seems straightforward
17:11 shivajiva it's obvious the hp system is tied to the punch event but you wouldn't expect it to trigger by setting the hp
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17:16 IhrFussel shivajiva, the weird thing is I use set_hp() in other mods and those never triggered the "PvP is disabled" message
17:26 * Jordach dies LAUGHING
17:26 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/misbpjlbdkzyxfudsj.png
17:27 Jordach shivajiva,
17:27 Jordach benrob0329,  ^^^^
17:27 Jordach wardrobe powered hands
17:27 Jordach using mod storage to keep tables loaded even after a server crash
17:28 Mr_Pardison interesting water texture.
17:28 Mr_Pardison looks pretty nice.
17:37 Jordach how do i check if a table is emptyu
17:38 sfan5 next(table) == nil
17:39 sfan5 at least that works for non-array tables
17:39 Jordach crashes minetest
17:39 Jordach 2017-11-27 17:39:32: ERROR[Main]: ...0.4.15\bin\..\games\Solar_Pla​ins\mods\wardrobe/hands.lua:15: bad argument #1 to 'next' (table expected, got nil)
17:40 Jordach hands.lua:15: if next(p_choice) == nil then
17:40 sfan5 well nil is not a table
17:40 sfan5 not p_choice or next(p_choice) == nil
17:41 Jordach does using deserialize return nil on an empty table?
17:41 Jordach (or does mod storage report nil on getting the string)
17:41 sfan5 no idea
17:41 Jordach likely would
17:43 jas_ think so
17:43 jas_ that's how i check anyway
17:43 jas_ i gotta test this preserve node metadata from attached_node group
17:44 jas_ pr... haven't tested it yet.  but have three things that i want to drop
17:44 Jordach here's a good example return {["singleplayer"] = {2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1}}
17:44 jas_ book, intercomm, backpack.  can't use attached_node=1 cuz metadata
17:44 Jordach it just drops "" if there's nothing
17:45 Jordach if wardrobe.hand_textures:get_string("c") == "" then works
17:45 jas_ https://github.com/jastevenson303/dc​bl_default/blob/master/init.lua#L86
17:45 jas_ bad code ^
17:46 Jordach get_string will never return nil
17:46 Jordach it always returns this string
17:46 Jordach ""
17:46 jas_ it's like that with all of 'em tho, i think
17:46 jas_ node, itemstack, or mod store
17:46 jas_ depends if it's a num or string? no, i don't know.
17:47 jas_ it's weird, tho, i think.  but workable?
17:47 Jordach the fallback is
17:47 Jordach if the table fails
17:47 Jordach i get a white coloured hand (eg, new player created!)
17:47 Jordach on second load, i get the regular skin toned hand
17:47 Jordach indicating a successful mod store load
17:48 jas_ i wonder about coupling mod store with player attributes.. that's a db right?
17:49 jas_ very interesting stuff, am still blown away that i can do itemstack meta:set_string("description", "new freakin name.")
17:49 jas_ that's even in 0.4.16 tho ye?  just learned it heh
17:53 sofar wow, minetest running for 312 hours consecutively...!
17:54 sofar more stable than I thought
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17:55 Megaf Greetings
17:55 FourFire Hello all, I am trying to change the ABM variable "neighbours =" to only be true if one of the specified blocks is within minetest.find_nodes_in_area({x = pos.x - 1, y = pos.y - 1, z = pos.z - 1}, {x = pos.x + 1, y = pos.y - 1, z = pos.z + 1} relative to the node
17:55 FourFire how do i do this?
17:56 Mr_Pardison greeting Megaf
17:56 Mr_Pardison *greetings
17:56 FourFire basically the 3x3 square beneath the node in question
17:57 Megaf Where did I put my mouse usb receiver? Oh man, my next mouse will be with a cord
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18:01 Mr_Pardison hiya oOChainLynxOo
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18:41 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/lcrhwuffthgotefgvs.png
18:41 Jordach HON HON HON
18:41 Jordach https://jordach.net/images/rjgfkmgjsnbmjpihj.png
18:41 Jordach one game reload later
18:42 Mr_Pardison why does there seem to be 2 of you?
18:42 Jordach one is the player appearance dummy
18:42 Jordach you edit that then you can apply that to yourself without reloading the server
18:43 Jordach the hand is the only exception
18:43 Mr_Pardison I thought so.
18:43 Jordach as MT doesn't allow dynamic retexturing
18:43 Jordach for items, nodes and tool
18:43 Mr_Pardison Just had to make sure I wasn't having double vision or something.
18:43 Jordach AND THAT UV IS WRONG
18:43 Jordach reeeeeee
18:44 shivajiva :)
18:46 CWz seems that avatar has cheapie syndrome
18:46 CWz as it lacks a mouth
18:46 Krock Jordach, such kawaii pictures you've got there
18:46 Mr_Pardison or it's been duct-taped shut as it can't resist saying things and has gotten too chatty.
18:47 Jordach :eyes:
18:48 CWz :nose:
18:48 Mr_Pardison can you get the minimap on the mobile version of MT and if so, how?
18:49 shivajiva FourFire: check the protector mod to see how it checks the areas
18:52 Shara Hello all :)
18:52 shivajiva Hi Shara o/
18:52 Mr_Pardison Mew studying one.
18:55 Raven262 Hi Shara
18:56 Shara :)
18:56 shivajiva can you check the debug log for DL and see if there are any clues as to why Mr_P was struggling to ban a player pls
18:57 Shara I suspect by now there have been updates I need to make
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18:58 Shara But it worked for me first time with no restart when I got home
18:58 shivajiva :/
18:58 Mr_Pardison perplexing to me.
18:58 Shara DL needs some mod updates, but I don't want to get into it until after assessment deadlines.
18:59 Shara SInce every time I decide to work on that server, it somehow turns into a big thing and eats hours
19:01 shivajiva I don't understand how the insert fails when it's managing to do all other db operations, it makes no sense
19:01 Shara I don't think the logs can help anyway
19:01 shivajiva but it's wrapped to drop any errors to the log so I was hopeful
19:03 Jordach is there an overlay style addition to textures?
19:04 Shara What format should an error give?
19:04 Jordach or configurable brightness
19:04 Shara Searching by "[sban]" isn't helping
19:04 shivajiva Sqlite ERROR:
19:05 shivajiva it's logged as info
19:05 Shara nothing
19:05 ThomasMonroe heya shivajiva
19:05 shivajiva Hi ThomasMonroe
19:06 Shara Mr_Pardison: did you try perma ban or just temp?
19:06 Mr_Pardison both.
19:06 Mr_Pardison first did 2 temp bans then I did a perma ban.
19:07 Mr_Pardison It worked and kicked them out of the game but they were able to re-join.
19:07 Shara I don't see a perma ban attempt
19:08 Mr_Pardison It didn't show in the records when I looked.
19:08 shivajiva as ban is a critical op I'm going to add a selfcheck on the record making it to the db and warn the initiator if it fails
19:08 Mr_Pardison DarkLands: cmd tempban Tobiasson690 1D You have gotten annoying cool your heels for a while. I have warned you multiple times. If you were truly sorry, you wouldn't do it again.
19:08 Mr_Pardison 10:15:35+DarkLands
19:08 Mr_Pardison Banned Tobiasson690 until Tue 28 Nov 2017 04:15:34 PM UTC.
19:08 Mr_Pardison first one.
19:09 Shara I've pasted shivajiva all the log entries I have
19:09 Shara So no need to paste anything here
19:09 Mr_Pardison k
19:10 Shara Problem is, the banned message displays, but it's not writing the ban for you
19:10 Shara Yet worked for me
19:10 rubenwardy I tried banning a playing a few weeks ago, and they joined under a different nick a few seconds later
19:10 FourFire Is there a mod which implements ipbans?
19:10 rubenwardy very weird, maybe they were already connecting?
19:10 rubenwardy FourFire, Minetest does
19:11 Mr_Pardison they did that with this account and I checked to see who they were which is how I found out that they were the same player that I had tried to ban.
19:11 Shara Flitz also had an issue where the server was crashing on /ban_record
19:11 rubenwardy the mods also do name bans, and track linked IPs
19:11 Shara But again, worked fine for me
19:11 Shara So I don't really understand it
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19:13 Mr_Pardison I've got about 6 minutes then I have to switch computers (class change)
19:14 IhrFussel What does get_luaentity() return if it's a player?
19:14 Krock nil
19:14 Krock l_object.cpp L1011
19:15 Krock !next
19:15 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:15 Jordach why is the wielditem so dark when holding meshnodes
19:16 Jordach (head tells me it's the normals of the faces)
19:17 IhrFussel Thanks and what happens if I set hp to something negative? Like set_hp(-5) will the hp_change be 25 when the player has full health?
19:18 IhrFussel I mean -25*
19:19 FourFire shivajiva, which line of https://github.com/shivajiva101​/protector/blob/master/init.lua did you mean I'm looking at 146-158
19:19 Mr_Pardison g2g now will brb
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19:20 Krock IhrFussel, limited to 0. content_sao.cpp L1262 and L651 (for lua entities)
19:21 IhrFussel Ok so there's basically no way in 0.4.16 to cause more than 20 HP damage at a time?
19:21 Krock but the HP change will re reported indeed as -25
19:21 Krock s/re //
19:22 IhrFussel So register_on_hpchange() will report -25? That's good then
19:22 Krock yes. but the HP themselves will be limited to 0, in case you'd do a manual calculation
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19:23 IhrFussel Nope that's why I have my custom HP system in place...Basically I just read the hp_change value and modify the custom HP and tell the engine 0 HP change
19:23 shivajiva FourFire: yea that was what I was meaning for a defined area, you have the pos from the abm and you have the player pos also to work with
19:24 FourFire I can't figure out how to use that code to restrict the "neighbours" field in the ABM, do I need to add another field, if so what?
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19:26 Krock FourFire, neighbours = {"group:wood", "default:mese", "default:torch"}
19:26 Jordach Krock, wield items that use meshes are super dark for no reason
19:27 FourFire Krock, I'm asking about restricting the area within which blocks are checked for that type
19:27 Krock list all neighbour nodes there. if you don't want a specific one from a group, you'll need to get the affected nodes and filter the unwanted ones out before adding them to the AMB
19:27 FourFire I wantto check {x = pos.x - 1, y = pos.y - 1, z = pos.z - 1}, {x = pos.x + 1, y = pos.y - 1, z = pos.z + 1}
19:27 Krock *ABM. And you can't restrict by area. they apply everywhere
19:28 Krock for only one Y-layer, you'll have to handle it as a regular node and check for these nodes again in the "action" callback
19:28 Krock high overhead. consider a better solution like node timers
19:29 Krock Jordach, I'm not a visuals specialist, sorry.
19:29 Jordach fffff
19:29 Krock check whether we already have a similar issue on GitHub.. I thought there was one but can't find it rn
19:29 Jordach they're as dark as the side of a node
19:29 FourFire Krock, Okay, how do I filter out {xyz-1},{xyz+1} - {xyz-1},{x+1y-1z+1} ?
19:29 Krock side of a node? isn't that the regular brightness?
19:30 Jordach it needs to be brighter
19:30 Krock FourFire, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2756
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19:31 Krock specify the two positions and the neighbours again to check whether the conditions are met
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19:45 Jordach sfan5, what DPI do you use MT at
19:45 Jordach i need this information
19:46 Jordach yep
19:46 Jordach screen_dpi has no effect on windows
20:05 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cMHwo3nAU o_0
20:06 Mr_Pardison whatever is being fired is too slow IMO
20:07 Mr_Pardison especially for the lower portion.
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20:30 sfan5 Jordach: my desktop env is set to 96 DPI
20:35 * Megaf uses GNONE 3, it doesn't say your DPI, just just decided call it scaling
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20:38 Jordach sfan5, hrm
20:38 Jordach windows doesn't give irrlicht a specific DPI
20:38 Jordach that pixel scaling issue needs to die for 0.5
20:38 sfan5 i don't think there even is dpi code for win
20:39 Jordach [19:46:52] <Jordach> screen_dpi has no effect on windows
20:52 Calinou there's HUD scaling for the hotbar/inventory at least
20:53 Jordach sfan5, why are player entities brighter than wielditems :thinking:
20:53 Calinou but the rest is utterly broken :(
20:53 Calinou Jordach: meshes other than the wielditem don't use proper shading
20:53 Calinou (directional shading, that is)
20:53 Jordach Calinou, not just that
20:53 Calinou oh well
20:53 Jordach it's far darker than the player entity in the same light source
20:53 Calinou meshnodes do, but not entity meshes
20:53 Jordach pure FFFFFF looks like ass
20:54 Jordach it's more 888888 than FFFFFF
20:54 Jordach the topside of a meshnode is correctly rendered btw
20:54 Jordach (and given the correct colour level)
20:54 Jordach the sides and bottom are darkened by nearly 33%
20:55 Jordach there's a few visual issues i'd love to see irone out
21:07 IhrFussel shivajiva, MT actually logs it really as the player punching themselves: Player IhrFussel punched by player IhrFussel, damage 18 HP
21:08 Calinou "quit punching yourself" —Bart Simpson
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21:09 Jordach kek
21:14 shivajiva so the punch mechanism is actually used to add the hp then?
21:14 Fixer welcome to minetest
21:15 Fixer excitengly story of irrlicht
21:17 shivajiva maybe I'm wrong but 0.4.15 looked visually better colour and lighting wise than recent releases
21:17 Jordach many lighting changes were done to actual world mesh
21:17 Jordach but not entities or wieldmesh
21:18 paramat there was a slight colouring change when overlays was added by juhdanad
21:18 Jordach overlays?
21:18 IhrFussel shivajiva, it seems to be linked to the callback where you call set_hp() from... I think lucky_block calls the damage in on_dig or something like that
21:18 paramat and we changed the light curve for 0.4.16
21:18 paramat .. and changed it twice since
21:19 shivajiva yup red transparent glass looks maroon now
21:19 Jordach paramat, can you fix the side lighting of wielditems and give it a slight brightness boost to bring it in line with entities
21:19 Jordach paramat, this is the offender https://jordach.net/images/rjgfkmgjsnbmjpihj.png
21:19 Jordach wielditems are too dark
21:20 Jordach #FFFFFF is treated as #888888
21:21 paramat well, colour change of translucent textures was a separate thing, Shara knows a lot about that
21:21 Jordach not transparency that's my issue paramat, it;s the overall light level for wieldmeshes
21:22 Shara Please don't remind me.
21:22 paramat that was directed to shiva-jiva
21:22 Jordach ah
21:22 Shara I still have mods that aren't really fixed
21:22 benrob0329 Wieldmeshes arent a thing, just hacks with nodes :^)
21:22 Shara And still have no clue how to fix them
21:22 Shara But I've basically given up
21:23 paramat Jordach player models are fullbright, lhofhansl is working on making them shaded
21:23 Jordach paramat, not really full bright
21:23 paramat the wield is probably correct
21:23 shivajiva I thought hardware colouring was where it started to shift, timeline wise
21:23 Jordach paramat, look at the brightness difference
21:23 Shara Fixing broken liquid nodes is basically impossible
21:24 Shara Can't make them look like they did before
21:24 paramat ugh yes sorry, hardware colouring was where colour shifted
21:25 Jordach paramat, set my colour set to FFFFFF
21:25 Jordach paramat, here's the offender https://jordach.net/images/duggcklzgpllfucve.png
21:26 Jordach it should most definitely be not that grey
21:26 paramat ok i see
21:26 Jordach i tested with image modifier opacity and without any form of color multiplication
21:26 paramat open an issue?
21:26 Jordach same results across the board
21:27 Jordach entities and wieldmeshes should ideally use the same shading algors
21:27 Jordach paramat, this kind of extends to worldmesh
21:28 Jordach the side shading is far too *strong*
21:29 paramat agreed
21:29 paramat Shara didn't we discover that the old appearence of sumpf water was due to a bug that was fixed?
21:30 Jordach paramat, i'd like shading on most things - but not so dark it doesn;t resemble the original enough
21:30 Shara paramat: don't remember. However it now looks terrible no matter what I do to it
21:30 Jordach (and unification of the shading algorithm for all meshes - blocks, wield and entity)
21:30 paramat i'm not great at wield and shading stuff, juhdanad or numberzero may be the experts
21:31 paramat do open an issue if there isn't one
21:32 paramat also you won't need to fix the old hacky sea mod air bubble method as we have plantlike rooted now
21:32 Shara paramat: yes, waiting to be able to update to that for sea plants
21:32 paramat maybe talk with lhofhansl too
21:33 paramat sorry, talking to 2 people unclearly :)
21:33 Shara :P
21:35 Shara But if any texture geniuses ever want to try and restore the old appearance of sumpf water for me, please do :)
21:38 Jordach paramat, i'm asking you first because this is a noticeable issue
21:44 Jordach paramat, #6697
22:00 paramat thanks
22:04 Jordach at least i show server side code relevant to what's going on
22:04 Jordach (and at least how it's performed)
22:10 Mr_Pardison g2g cya
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22:46 Megaf screenshot of my terminal https://i.imgur.com/wYE15Ex.png
22:47 Shara Tiger colours >.>
22:47 Megaf Actually orange is my favourite colour indeed.
22:48 Megaf second df was supposed to be a free -m...
22:48 Megaf And I just noticed I'm running a Russian kernel
22:48 Megaf Linux version 2.6.32-042stab125.5 (root@kbuild-rh6-x64.eng.sw.ru)
22:51 Megaf I wonder how hard or easy would be using two factor auth using Google Authenticator for SSH
22:52 Megaf Of course somebody has done that in the past https://www.howtogeek.com/121650/ho​w-to-secure-ssh-with-google-authent​icators-two-factor-authentication/
22:53 Megaf libpam-google-authenticator/testing 20170702-1 amd64
22:53 Megaf Two-step verification
22:53 Megaf easy enough...
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22:54 Megaf Hi mister Ruben
22:54 Megaf How are we today?
22:55 rubenwardy good thanks
22:57 IhrFussel I need something for my server that's interesting to veteran players...players level 40+ kill the regular mobs too fast, they are no challenge anymore... maybe some kind of dungeon with extra strong mobs inside
22:57 Shara Hi rubenwardy
22:57 IhrFussel Also hi rubenwardy
22:58 Megaf IhrFussel: There's a pyramid mod with mummies (no idea about the spelling) inside
22:59 Megaf you could just make the moomees ultra tough and get them get good stuff
22:59 Megaf Thumbs up for this........^
22:59 Fixer how god damn dosbox can't into pixel perfect scaling in 2017?
23:00 Megaf Fixer: fix it
23:00 * Megaf runs
23:00 Fixer there are fixes and unofficial builds
23:00 IhrFussel Or maybe some kind of room with endless spawning mobs and players can try to beat the highest survival time ... I could look at that mod if I find it one sec
23:00 Fixer but no idea why it is not included in master
23:00 Megaf There must be a good reason. One like if you want it do it yourself, I'm not paid for that
23:01 Megaf Ok, enough of trolling
23:18 Fixer found good way in default dosbox
23:18 Fixer looks good now
23:19 Megaf yay
23:33 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/UPA8j0M.png good enough
23:54 Megaf whats opencp Fixer
23:56 Fixer http://www.cubic.org/player/

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