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00:23 Megaf Night folks
00:37 Mr_Pardison gn everyone.
00:38 Mr_Pardison cya tomorrow (I hope)
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08:51 jas_ holy cow! https://twitch.tv/jastvn
09:13 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/​viewtopic.php?&amp;t=18862
09:15 * sofar goes to bed
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10:29 tenplus1 hi folks
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10:54 tenplus1 hi fixer
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10:59 tenplus1 wb Megaf
11:01 VanessaE hi
11:01 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
11:02 Megaf Thanks tenplus1
11:02 Megaf Hi folks
11:02 tenplus1 due to big demand I've added Hot Dogs to Xanadu... lololol
11:02 Megaf hah
11:03 Megaf tenplus1, on Megaf Server I did the opposite. I removed the subgame
11:03 Megaf now the server has nothing, not even player model
11:03 tenplus1 wow, minimalistic :P
11:04 Megaf servers boots up in half secodn now
11:05 tenplus1 blazin' :)  if only you could play a ghost and float around server not doing anything :P
11:06 Megaf I will be making a new subgame, that will be a nice mix of Xanadu and Minetest Game
11:06 Megaf but I will try to make it small
11:07 tenplus1 strangely xanadu is tiny in comparison to most servers
11:55 tenplus1 hrm, seems I'm having .net issues
12:07 Fixer oh, more ISP "innovation" is coming to USA, R.I.P.
12:08 tenplus1 innovation ? is this about removing the internets free status
12:09 Fixer yeah
12:09 tenplus1 and before we know it you'll be paying for connection to certain things
12:09 tenplus1 pah!
12:09 Fixer yep
12:10 Fixer but but this is modern and innovation and you are dinosaur
12:10 tenplus1 lol
12:10 tenplus1 the internet should remain free to all
12:11 tenplus1 greedy corporations just want their cut
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12:33 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic
12:34 Aerozoic wazup tenplus1
12:34 tenplus1 enjoying coffee and watching "Justice League"
12:34 Aerozoic welp, xubuntu 17.10 failed
12:34 tenplus1 what happened ?
12:34 Aerozoic everything, glitches and garbage everywhere
12:35 Aerozoic 16.04 works good though.
12:35 tenplus1 graphical issue ?
12:35 Aerozoic no graphics issues though, lol
12:35 tenplus1 glad it works, wonder what happened to 1704 tho...
12:47 tenplus1 you have intel gfx dont you ?
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12:48 tenplus1 hi raven
12:48 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
13:06 Aerozoic Yep
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13:10 tenplus1 hi astorian
13:11 atorian37 hi all
13:11 atorian37 sorry had to identify first..
13:12 tenplus1 :P
13:20 benrob0329 tenplus1: I dont really want the government in charge of the internet, just saying
13:20 benrob0329 In other news, I fixed up the texture
13:21 * benrob0329 uploaded an image: screenshot.png (584KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/iduJGEcJigOEOsVhjTgHtxjl>
13:21 tenplus1 yeah, government should stay out of this
13:22 tenplus1 saw forum page, nice :)
13:23 benrob0329 NetNeut means the government shoves their hands into private companies' business, but unlike with telephones they arent paying for it
13:23 behalebabo The government already has control of the internet to some extent, net neutrality ensures that ISPs don't *also* become monopolic governments controlling the internet. That's theoretically safer because the government is supposed to be controlled by the people
13:24 tenplus1 exactly
13:24 benrob0329 Supposed to be, but have you seen some political extremism lately?
13:25 Raven262 benrob0329, I like the new texture better than the old one, though you could add some more detail to it.
13:25 tenplus1 too many asshats in control
13:25 benrob0329 I'm more scared for the next election
13:25 tenplus1 looks good as it raven :D
13:25 benrob0329 Raven262: problem is I'm trying to keep it at 16px
13:26 Raven262 You don't need to raise the res
13:27 Raven262 Just add some more wood-like texture over/under it
13:27 Raven262 Hmm
13:27 Raven262 Gotta try that.
13:27 benrob0329 The trick would be to not crowd it
13:31 benrob0329 Was I not clear in my lore issue when I said implied by things around the world?
13:32 benrob0329 Because I would have thought that said "never actually say it, have things that hint at it"
13:32 tenplus1 little clues all around
13:33 benrob0329 Exactly
13:33 benrob0329 Sometimes I wonder if people read or skim....
13:33 * benrob0329 sighs
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13:44 tenplus1 hi lisac
13:44 lisac hey tenplus1
13:46 Raven262 benrob0329, I have managed to break the mapping somehow. But here is the result: https://i.imgur.com/0X2vTwj.png
13:47 Raven262 Added some wood scheme under it.
13:47 tenplus1 noice
13:47 Raven262 (But the thing doesn't work)
13:48 Raven262 I have no idea why, but the text doesn't appear on the model, neither does the light on top of it.
13:50 tenplus1 hrm
14:01 benrob0329 Raven262: is it possible that your editor removed the alpha channel?
14:01 Raven262 I might have had.
14:01 tenplus1 do you use GIMP ?
14:01 Raven262 Multiple times actually
14:01 Raven262 Yes
14:01 benrob0329 That shouldnt have done it, but it might have
14:04 benrob0329 Basically delete the white and black pixels
14:15 Raven262 I don't get it.
14:16 benrob0329 Wait, the lamp was white and black...oops
14:17 tenplus1 brb
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14:43 tenplus1 I ish back
14:45 tenplus1 did you get the texture working ok raven ?
14:47 Megaf Hi again
14:47 tenplus1 o/
14:47 Megaf welcome back tenplus1
14:48 tenplus1 did I miss anything ? :P
14:48 Megaf I dont know, we joined together
14:48 tenplus1 ehehe
14:48 Megaf You joined just a minute after myself
14:48 Megaf and before the electricity breaker disarmed so I had no internet
14:48 Megaf I'm in college now
14:49 tenplus1 ooh, work time :) enjoy
14:49 Megaf[College] 10 minutes to start the class
14:49 Megaf[College] classroom still pretty empty...
14:49 tenplus1 they shoudl offer free donuts, am sure class would be packed then
14:49 Megaf[College] And I just got another bottle of wine by the way
14:50 Megaf[College] tenplus1, +1 for that
14:50 Megaf[College] I wonder why Windows 7 installer takes so long to load
14:51 tenplus1 cause windows sucks
14:51 Megaf[College] hm, there's no activity in the cdrom, maybe the thing just froze
14:51 Megaf[College] imagine that, windows freezing
14:51 Megaf[College] have you ever heard of such thing?
14:51 tenplus1 it can happen when a driver doesnt load properly
14:52 tenplus1 you could also disable UEFI in bios which may help
14:52 Megaf[College] it is disabled
14:53 Megaf[College] will enabled it to see if it works
14:53 tenplus1 also unplug any non-essential components like usb card readers etc.
14:54 tenplus1 IDE mode usually works better than AHCI mode also in bios
15:00 Megaf[College] tenplus1, eh, virtualbox :)
15:01 Megaf[College] do you really think I'd install windows on my machine? :P
15:01 tenplus1 ooh, vbox.. gotcha
15:04 Megaf[College] And this is Windows 7 Enterprise Edition
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15:05 Megaf[College] Lets see if creators edition installer works
15:06 Megaf[College] Nope,
15:06 Wayward_One any forum mods, this needs immediate removal: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=18863
15:06 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf[College]
15:06 tenplus1 hi thomas
15:06 Megaf[College] ah, I think it is working
15:06 tenplus1 hi wayward
15:06 ThomasMonroe hey tenplus1
15:06 Megaf[College] CPU use is quite high at least
15:06 Wayward_One hello :)
15:06 Megaf[College] Hi ThomasMonroe
15:07 tenplus1 wth is that... are ppl using mt forums for dating ?
15:07 Megaf[College] I'm sorry for these people
15:07 Megaf[College] that's very sad
15:08 Megaf[College] IRC is so much better for that
15:08 Megaf[College] xP
15:08 ThomasMonroe lol
15:10 rubenwardy Wayward_One, on it
15:10 tenplus1 hi ruben
15:10 Wayward_One cool, thanks
15:10 rubenwardy hey
15:10 rubenwardy done
15:11 Wayward_One random ads are one thing, but that..
15:11 rubenwardy I'm at work, so didn't click on the image links
15:11 rubenwardy I don't imagine it was SFW
15:11 tenplus1 why do ppl do this. in a game forum of all things
15:12 rubenwardy bot
15:13 tenplus1 when posting to forums is it possible to add the "not a robot" button or tick?
15:13 Megaf[College] I'm sure there is a mod for that
15:14 tenplus1 https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/701437
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15:16 tenplus1 hi caleb
15:17 CalebDavis hi ten
15:17 Megaf[College] so, Windows 7 installer still hasnt come up. And there's one core been using to 100% by the installer boot...
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15:18 tenplus1 hi Jordach
15:18 tenplus1 how much memory did you assign vm ?
15:19 Jordach uwot
15:20 tenplus1 sorry, that was for megaf :P
15:20 Shara Hello all
15:20 tenplus1 hey Shara
15:20 ThomasMonroe hey Shara
15:23 CalebDavis hi Shara
15:24 Megaf[College] Hi Jordach
15:24 Megaf[College] Hi celeron55
15:24 Megaf[College] tenplus1, 2G
15:26 Megaf[College] that's a computer I'd have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chas​sis-plans-mp3x17-fnt-obl-open-1280.jpg
15:26 tenplus1 2g is enough... hrm, did you set the network adaptor to "bridged" ?
15:26 Megaf[College] tenplus1, I left the cable unplugged
15:27 ThomasMonroe that would be really cool Megaf[College]
15:27 Calinou hi
15:27 Megaf[College] but I don't think that would prevent the installer from coming up
15:27 tenplus1 hi Cal
15:27 ThomasMonroe hey Calinou, I broke 1100 in Classical today
15:27 Megaf[College] This one is quite cool too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ch​assis-plans-mp1x20a_fnt_obl-1280.jpg
15:27 Calinou in which way? :P
15:27 ThomasMonroe lol upwards
15:27 tenplus1 ooh, nice
15:28 ThomasMonroe I got 18th in the U1500 classical
15:28 Megaf[College] (I'm reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_computer) (<- Related to our class right now)
15:28 Calinou Minetest on PDAs when?
15:29 ThomasMonroe Megaf[College], I'm on a Panasonic CF-29 ToughBook right now :)
15:29 Megaf[College] oh boy
15:29 Megaf[College] that's a nice one
15:30 ThomasMonroe yeah, only 1.5gb of ram, but I make it work
15:31 Megaf[College] I will just wait it out. This installer
15:31 tenplus1 is the dvd you are isntalling from ok ?
15:34 Megaf[College] I hope so
15:34 Megaf[College] I got it with axel download manager
15:34 Megaf[College] it ususally works well
15:34 Megaf[College] This site https://www.microsoft.com/en-​ca/software-download/windows7 is not accepting my keys...
15:35 Megaf[College] (I have original keys)
15:38 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JUSPIKoxO0 <-- mese music
15:42 jas_ https://gist.github.com/jastevenson3​03/ab9e1054d1616e6414fe3b5f2d137b6f
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15:52 tenplus1 who is in control of CSM part of minetest just now ???
15:52 tenplus1 nb nrz
15:52 tenplus1 *wb
15:53 benrob0329 jas_: the Orkkis have found you, there is no place to hide :P
15:54 * Shara suspects it's simply out of control
16:04 benrob0329 Hi Shara
16:05 Shara Hi benrob0329
16:05 Raven262 Hi Shara
16:05 Shara Hello Raven
16:07 benrob0329 That could be a cool mechanic though
16:07 benrob0329 Orkkis only come after you if you have Mese (or punch it)
16:08 benrob0329 Otherwise they hide in the shadows
16:08 Shara Maybe focus should be getting mobs into MTG first? :P
16:09 Raven262 Nha, we can do this without them.
16:09 Raven262 *mah
16:09 Raven262 *nah
16:09 Raven262 Well
16:09 benrob0329 Shara: but we need to make those mobs interesting :D
16:09 Raven262 Isn't that sad.
16:09 Shara Raven262: :D
16:10 benrob0329 If they do decide to come after you, run, split, leave
16:10 benrob0329 Do not turn back
16:10 Shara Let's change it to: The mystery of why there are no more orkkis
16:10 Raven262 We do need to add some sort of lore.
16:10 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6662
16:10 Raven262 But I don't know if there is any successful open source game that has lore.
16:12 Shara Lore done poorly is bad
16:12 Shara And I'm honestly scared this would be done terribly
16:12 Shara But I dont really expect anyone to agree with me
16:13 Raven262 Yea, a team needs to be formed for this. Its quite important.
16:13 Raven262 If we have ~12 people working on it, it could be done pretty nicely in a few meetings.
16:16 benrob0329 Shara: I would like to avoid overdone, or underdone lore
16:17 * shivajiva wonders if CSM stands for CheatServersMore
16:17 tenplus1 brb, foody time :D
16:17 tenplus1 ehehe, nice one shiva :P
16:17 Raven262 Cheat System Module.
16:17 Shara Lol shivajiva, it's been that in my head for a while
16:18 benrob0329 Right now I'm just trying to get people onboard with the idea on lore guiding MTG's development
16:18 Shara benrob0329: do you have any experience of implementing lore / worldbuilding into a game?
16:18 benrob0329 Shara: a better question would be, do I have any experience making a game at all
16:19 Raven262 We can assemble a team and vote for ideas.
16:19 Raven262 Takes time, but the result is much better.
16:19 benrob0329 The answer is no, which is why I'm trying to help with an existing project rather than do everything on my own
16:19 Shara Well, good luck
16:20 Shara But until I see actual answers to the things I asked, I'm totally against it
16:20 benrob0329 I have done a fair amount of research into game design, however. But probably not nearly enough
16:20 Shara Not against lore being in games that come with MT; but against it in MTG
16:20 benrob0329 Shara: how can I answer a question to which there is no answer?
16:21 Shara If there is no answer, what you want cant ever happen anyway
16:21 benrob0329 "How do we prevent ___" by not doing that
16:21 Shara No
16:21 Shara I want to know the mechanics this will add, what it will do to gameplay and so on
16:21 Shara How will it appear in game
16:21 Shara What will be used
16:21 Shara If it cant be planned into a full idea, it cant be done
16:22 benrob0329 Shara: half the things I have in mind are already in the long-term plan, this isn't a one-pr idea, this is a change in how mechanics are made
16:22 Raven262 Too many devs might refuse the idea completely.
16:23 Raven262 Because it needs new mechanics and so on.
16:24 benrob0329 I'm trying to get past the "this cant be done in MTG" so that we can get to the "how will this look in-game"
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16:25 tenplus1 hi chainlynx
16:25 benrob0329 I can stab at ideas and concepts, but for what when its still unsure whether or not anything like this will be accepted?
16:25 Shara You need to get the devs talking really
16:25 benrob0329 The biggest question is, will MTG stay completely generic?
16:26 Shara And given how many issues there are (..that thing called CSM to begin with)... I doubt any of them have time for this.
16:26 benrob0329 If not, how can we cement some depth into it, without getting in the wat of it being a sandbox?
16:26 benrob0329 *way
16:26 Shara I'd much rather see mobs get added and see if there is a way to make it so you cant basically skip straight to diamond tools, so progrewssion starts getting built into the mechanics
16:27 Shara progression*
16:27 benrob0329 MTG needs a dedicated team imo
16:27 Shara It has one
16:27 tenplus1 we need iron tools and a progression from iron, copper, steel etc
16:27 Shara They are just basically inactive other than paramat
16:27 Shara And the structure of MT development means only core devs are currently able to be MTG devs
16:28 Shara But even if that changed, who (other than Ten) has submitted enough content to be considered anyway?
16:28 Raven262 So there needs to be another team for MTG development?
16:28 Raven262 That should be considered.
16:28 Shara FOr the devs to decide, not us
16:28 Calinou <Raven262> But I don't know if there is any successful open source game that has lore.
16:28 benrob0329 But how can you plan mobs or progression when nothing has reason. How do you impliment that which has no idea?
16:28 Calinou Sauerbraten does have "You kill stuff. The end."
16:28 Calinou :P
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16:28 Raven262 I know, Calinou, I played it xD
16:29 Calinou also, I knew this lore discussion would turn into a shitstorm :)
16:29 tenplus1 hey Krock
16:29 Shara benrob0329: plenty of games dont really have stories inbuilt
16:29 Calinou I've never seen a discussion about this where people actually get to a consensus
16:29 Krock hi tenplus1
16:29 Raven262 Hi Krock, Calinou
16:29 benrob0329 ("Add mobs" is not an idea)
16:29 Krock hi Raven262, Calinou
16:29 rubenwardy Shara, not true
16:29 benrob0329 Hi Krock, Calinou
16:30 Krock hi benrob0329
16:30 rubenwardy someone can be a MTG dev without being a core dev
16:30 rubenwardy just no one is
16:30 benrob0329 Krock: side note, improved tardis texture
16:31 benrob0329 Big question, will Minetest Game stay generic?
16:31 rubenwardy I hope not
16:31 benrob0329 Once we answer that, we can plan depth and mechanics
16:31 rubenwardy generic means that it satisfies no-one, and scares away new players
16:32 tenplus1 apart from needing progression in the game itself we need something for the player to STRIVE towards
16:32 rubenwardy I'd rather have a good default game which leads to people wanting to mod it
16:32 rubenwardy we need more default games too :D
16:32 Aerozoic Simulators have no progression :)
16:33 benrob0329 But until we answer that, I can't get Shara onboard, because I can't plan this out.
16:33 Shara Itäs true for now
16:33 Shara It's*
16:34 benrob0329 And if I can't plan this out, core devs probably wont like it
16:34 CalebDavis Tre and I were talking a few days ago about my subgame Athermensia Survival and we had a really good idea for a endgame for singleplayer
16:34 benrob0329 MTG needs to be suitable for multiplayer as well :-)
16:34 Aerozoic Kill the dragon? lol jk :P
16:34 CalebDavis after so long an alien from the planet of Mese attacks
16:35 CalebDavis he is known ad the Meseian
16:35 Shara benrob0329: the lucky thing is that you dont need me on board
16:35 CalebDavis and in order to kill him toy have to find his relay post and teleport into his ship
16:35 rubenwardy I think that lore books is hard to do well, so it's better to have mechanics that match the "history" and not have to spell it out
16:36 Shara Just regardless of whether I agree with you, please make sure it is done properly or not at all
16:36 benrob0329 rubenwardy: no lore books, lire books are bad
16:37 rubenwardy good then :D
16:37 Shara I'd be completly for unexplained ruins found on hills and dungeons with more content
16:37 rubenwardy the main person you'd have to persuade is paramat
16:37 Shara My issue is when you try to explain them
16:37 rubenwardy as well as getting the community on board
16:37 CalebDavis ohh and shpiwrecks at the botom of the sea would be cool
16:38 Shara And rubenwardy: if that is the case about MTG, maybe you should get the other MTG devs together to reassess membership of that team then
16:38 tenplus1 lol, you seen the new update to mc... ehehe
16:38 benrob0329 Shara: yes, the explination is to guide what should be in the ruins
16:38 CalebDavis yep :)
16:43 benrob0329 Shara: commented, realling waiting for that to be answered first by MTG devs.
16:44 benrob0329 Then I can put together some concept mechanics.
16:44 Fixer ,_,
16:44 Shara It's quite a silly question, and rubenwardy already answered I think?
16:44 tenplus1 .__.
16:45 Shara also I've known people to disagree about what generic even means
16:45 rubenwardy all the stuff has been rather vague so far, as to what lore actually means for game content
16:45 rubenwardy and what can be done now when we don't have mobs yet
16:45 Shara Yup, that's my issue
16:45 tenplus1 I did like the oerkki and mese lore
16:45 rubenwardy It's also worth noting that I've always been very much on the side of MTG being a full game
16:46 rubenwardy whereas other devs are more conservative
16:46 benrob0329 rubenwardy: what do we have? The environment
16:46 Shara tenplus1: that may as well be a fanfic ont he forums unless it does something for the game itself though
16:46 tenplus1 true, we need a proper game to make lore for...  not just a base game
16:46 benrob0329 What can add? Better ruins, better ore mechanics
16:46 Shara That's why I am going to make a game
16:46 Shara benrob0329: they dont need your lore though
16:48 benrob0329 They dont need anything I make, I'm just trying to help.
16:48 Shara Just shifting mz meaning now
16:48 Shara mz*
16:48 Shara Those mechanics do not need lore in order to be implemented
16:49 benrob0329 No, but a reason helps
16:49 benrob0329 Why do they exist? Idk, they just do.
16:51 Shara Like my first reply in the issue said, lets just have a way to turn it off please
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16:51 CalebDavis i think it would be nice to duplicate the MTG repo as it is and remove the MTG specific things and make that a subgame base so subgame creators dont have to start from scratch and then make MTG into a fully fleshed out game
16:52 Shara subgame makers should start from scratch though
16:52 benrob0329 Shara: and like my reply it should be easy to customize MTG
16:52 benrob0329 Remove this mod, tweak that code, etc
16:52 benrob0329 But by default there should be something
16:52 Shara To the point where updating MTG becomes a really chore, I guess
16:53 Shara So we may as well add proper options for everything to be customised to the wish list
16:53 benrob0329 That isnt a bad idea
16:53 CalebDavis true but some things that MTG does need to be in every "normal" subgame so it would be nice to have those features easily accesible
16:53 Shara Yup, but getting it aded is the issue
16:54 benrob0329 Anyways, I'll be off and on for the rest of the day
16:57 tenplus1 I've said it before and I'll say it again... it would be awesome if we had a GAMES tab to browse through available games and download.install them for play
16:58 Shara Yup
16:59 benrob0329 Shara: but if all else fails, I'll just go back to making the occasional mod and video
17:02 CalebDavis same thing would be good with mods ten ik that there is a mod installer for android but it would be nice in-game
17:03 tenplus1 at one point it WAS in game, but removed
17:04 CalebDavis ik i think that it was removed due to security issues
17:04 Shara why was it removed? was it due to no way to quality check mods?
17:05 rubenwardy nope
17:05 rubenwardy it wasn't security issues
17:05 CalebDavis then why?
17:06 rubenwardy it was because originally the backend was hosted by est31 along with the forum
17:06 rubenwardy then it broke and est31 couldn't be bothered to fix it
17:06 CalebDavis ohh ok
17:06 rubenwardy after a few months celeron55 took over hosting the forums
17:06 rubenwardy and never set it up again as it was broken for months
17:06 rubenwardy doesn't help that the original developer has disappeared
17:07 rubenwardy and the code isn't great
17:07 Shara Easy access to more content would make the game experience much better
17:07 rubenwardy yes
17:07 Shara But I would worry about the quality of what was made available too
17:07 CalebDavis ok so it really needs a complete rewrite
17:07 tenplus1 especially for tablet decives or phones where you cant install mods/games that easily
17:07 rubenwardy it's in my top list of problems Minetest has
17:08 Shara But a list of hundreds of mods of unknown quality wont help anyone
17:08 rubenwardy Categories and download counting
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17:08 tenplus1 hi fussel
17:08 CalebDavis it would be nice to use krocks website as a list since it has ratings
17:09 Shara But how much do they really tell?
17:10 benrob0329 If we only list mods in releases, then they will have been checked by a moderator
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17:10 benrob0329 If they dont work and arent fixed, they get put into old mods
17:10 tenplus1 wb Megaf
17:10 Shara I think they dont really check much beyond whether all the information required is in the post though?
17:10 CalebDavis they tell how many likes/dislikes the mod has so it liking/disliking the mod was in the game then it would work nicely as a rating system
17:11 rubenwardy CalebDavis, mine is better
17:11 IhrFussel Hi guys^^ Anyone got a clue why the sliding doors from this file don't take away 1 from the stack when you place them? https://pastebin.com/iBr6fLcH
17:11 rubenwardy as it validates mods
17:11 CalebDavis ahh ok
17:11 tenplus1 yeah, we do need a mod list with like/dislikes visible and comments
17:11 Shara CalebDavis: last I checked, nont a single one of my mods has any ratings on Krock's list, despite being used on quite a few servers :D
17:11 tenplus1 lol, I havent even seen krocks list yet :D
17:11 rubenwardy but it's still not good
17:12 rubenwardy as there's not enough validation still
17:12 rubenwardy really it needs to be a full system with a fixed database
17:12 Shara I like rubenwardy's system, but yea... I just worry a bit about the client actually providing content that hasnt been reviewed a bit more carefully
17:12 CalebDavis Irh you need to return the itemstack in the on place function
17:12 rubenwardy my app uses my backend anyway, and it works reasonably well
17:13 rubenwardy Web UI is mostly only for debugging minetest-mods.rubenwardy.com
17:13 Megaf Thanks
17:17 IhrFussel CalebDavis, thanks I'll try that...do I need to add itemstack:take_item() return itemstack or just return itemstack?
17:17 Megaf sfan5, I just dont see the point in flooding the terminal/debug with messages that dont have any meaning.
17:18 Megaf If you dont know the modname it doesnt have any value
17:18 Megaf Is it that difficult to just make the message say the modname by default?
17:18 Megaf In the circumstances where the message is showed?
17:19 Megaf Man, I am really unhappy with Minetest right now
17:19 Megaf That's the lowest we got in 6 years
17:20 tenplus1 I had same issue with serialize.h errors and no way to track what mod is causing it or a line number
17:20 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6654
17:22 Megaf You know that drop of water that makes the bucket overflow?
17:23 Shara Don't need a drop when we have CSM :)
17:23 Megaf CSM?
17:23 CalebDavis Ihr you will need to take an item from the Itemstack in order to not return the same ammount that you started with
17:24 rubenwardy Megaf, I believe you'd have to manually parse the backstack on that to find the mod name
17:24 rubenwardy not impossible. Depends on whether there's just one place the deprecation notice is printed
17:24 rubenwardy the --info will be more useful as it prints a back stack showing the file and line number
17:24 Shara Megaf: Check the issue tenplus1 opened
17:25 Shara On a train so would take forever to get a link :D
17:25 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6662
17:36 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/DPNn1RpVQAAahyV.jpg:large
17:36 tenplus1 master photoshop skillz ;P
17:44 Megaf home, be back later
17:44 sfan5 Megaf: it's not difficult
17:44 sfan5 ...
17:53 Calinou Fixer: I saw the top-left montage on @doom_txt on Twitter :P
18:00 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&amp;t=18862&amp;p=300998#p300998 - has code now as well
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18:18 benrob0329 sofar: did you have cinematic on for that video?
18:18 sofar yes, to smooth the mouse movement
18:18 sofar but I used something else too
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18:22 benrob0329 sofar: might need to turn the smoothing up a bit more if your going to turn, it was still a bit jerky :-)
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18:31 sofar benrob0329: that's just me
18:34 Jordach lmao
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19:08 Krock rubenwardy -who-is-currently-marked-as-away, something like this? https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/pull/6665/commits/77fd67e6
19:09 Krock or did you have another sorting in mind?
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19:33 Shara I really hate how f5 info displays in 0.5. Why does it need three lines?
19:34 CWz yes
19:34 Mr_Pardison because someone thought that 3 would be a nice number of lines to show?
19:34 Shara What is the use in param2 displaying and why drop lots of pointless brakcets round things?
19:34 Shara brackets*
19:34 Shara and seed no longer shows... huge problem
19:34 CWz i wouldn't say huge
19:35 Shara actually, seed displaying once upon a time saved me from losing a whole map, but I rather not go into the details of that
19:35 jas_ i made a hud elem for coords, that's how much i dislike having to even press F5, let alone the number of lines it takes up.
19:35 Shara There is no reason at all for it to need three
19:35 jas_ that's okay, at least it doesn't say minetest-version in upper-left anymore lol
19:36 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/eaA2jJz.png
19:36 Shara Seems to show version for me
19:37 Shara I used to find f5 really helpful.. now it is just annoying
19:38 Mr_Pardison reminds me of "Just Want You Gone" from Portal
19:38 Mr_Pardison can't remember if it's 1 or 2.
19:38 Shara No, that's my themesong for CSM
19:39 Mr_Pardison very fitting.
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19:40 Megaf back
19:40 * benrob0329 thinks an actual compas with directions would be useful
19:40 benrob0329 Or an axis
19:40 jas_ yes
19:40 jas_ that's the next phase
19:40 Megaf I decided to go to college and come back from on foot. Because better for health
19:40 Mr_Pardison wb Megaf
19:40 jas_ coords and then a compass image instead of the numbers.  first to make the numbers more accurate
19:40 Mr_Pardison or you can do a whereis on yourself.
19:41 Megaf whereis in Minetest
19:41 Megaf ?
19:41 Mr_Pardison if that would be possible.
19:41 Megaf we have a compass
19:41 Mr_Pardison asking the server where you or a player is at.
19:41 Megaf different types of it
19:42 jas_ i have it so it displays on when wielding the walkie talkie.  next i'll make it show a waypoint for last place of death.
19:42 Megaf on my server we have one that tells your coords and where north, south east and west are
19:42 Mr_Pardison g2g will brb going to library
19:42 Mr_Pardison cya in a bit
19:42 jas_ it's nice to have in-game mechanisms, versus f5 which is better for other stuff
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19:42 jas_ imo
19:43 Megaf man Im tired, will be back later
19:43 Megaf cya
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19:43 Shara Well, the things I used f5 for are now impossible, other than position, which is less readable than before
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19:44 jas_ what i'm interested in is whether one can hide the hotbar and statbars and show only the wieldhand
19:45 Shara Don't know, but now I think I need to find a way to make a mod to add the info I actually want... assuming it can all be captured
19:45 benrob0329 jas_: redefine the HUD?
19:45 jas_ there's hud flags for minimap, wieldhand, crosshair... i'm not sure, i'll experiment, but i think it's all or nothing
19:47 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3632 <-- looks like it's possible
19:48 Shara paramat had agreed with me when I requested seed be left in
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19:59 garywhite I have to agree, the position and node you are looking at are harder to read in the dev build
20:00 Mr_Pardison same.
20:00 Shara Hmm, so seed is there now I restarted.. I dont know if it was linked to some priv now or something, (it doesnt seem to be) but that was weird
20:37 Fixer existentional crysis in chat
20:39 Mr_Pardison IRL crisis: library closes early and have to walk wearing slippers in the cold to a bagel house nearby.
20:40 Mr_Pardison I knew I should have taken a few minutes to put on shoes.
20:40 Mr_Pardison sister offered to drive me over to the library and was kinda rushing me.
20:40 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: how cold?
20:41 benrob0329 Most slippers are pretty warm
20:41 Mr_Pardison these are Scott's brand slippers.
20:41 Mr_Pardison not the warm kind.
20:41 Mr_Pardison 64 degrees.
20:41 Mr_Pardison I haven't checked the wind yet.
20:45 IhrFussel I implemented the coords as command HUD since many users don't have F5/debug menu cause they play on clone apps that remove the button
20:46 Mr_Pardison PC master race.
20:47 IhrFussel I also implemented "server-side fly" because clone apps let users PAY real money to unlock client-side fly
20:48 IhrFussel Unfortunately there's nothing I can do to help them with ads
20:49 Mr_Pardison yell at them to get the official game client?
20:49 Mr_Pardison sad thing is they r 2 lazy to do so.
20:49 IhrFussel And I'm not talking about those banner ads on top/bottom of the screen... I'm talking about unskippable videos that have a duration of 20-30 secs
20:49 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: F or C?
20:49 Mr_Pardison F
20:50 benrob0329 LOL
20:51 benrob0329 64 aint even remotely cold, no offence
20:51 Mr_Pardison windy outside.
20:51 Mr_Pardison and where I live I'm used to hot weather.
20:51 IhrFussel Mr_Pardison, it's not that easy... 1. the official app is a DESASTER like really... the core devs even stated they won't release 0.5.0 before the Android app got improved ... 2. The official app has a very bad rating and is just not as high as the cloen ones for some reason
20:51 Mr_Pardison cold isn't for me.
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20:52 Mr_Pardison that sucks.
20:52 IhrFussel I mean the Android app is playable...but the controls and UI design in general are terribad
20:52 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: I suppose I'm a Michigander, so chilly is below 50
20:52 Mr_Pardison What also sucks about it is that apparently it seems to let you strike from 8 nodes away on a survival server.
20:53 IhrFussel Even further if the server has no anticheat enabled
20:53 Mr_Pardison they are horrible but I got used to them when I had to use my phone for a while since my computer was not available to use.
20:53 paramat ~tell Megaf i got your message, and i appreciate that you apologised =)
20:53 ShadowBot paramat: O.K.
20:54 IhrFussel You can dig nodes that are 300 away from you in Android 3rd-person
20:54 IhrFussel If anticheat is disabled
20:54 Mr_Pardison that really is bad.
20:55 IhrFussel I'm not sure what caused that...in 0.4.15 it was fine I think
20:56 IhrFussel Or nobody noticed
20:58 paramat there's an issue for that
20:58 IhrFussel By the way I also was forced to use the Android version for a long time cause I had no PC ... and I had to manage my server via phone...that was just terrible...imagine no autocomplete for names, always have to type the full name
20:58 Mr_Pardison sounds like a nightmare.
20:59 IhrFussel paramat, I know but it cannot be fixed in 0.4.16 without enabling anticheat (not sure if it will be fixed in 0.4.17 either)
21:00 IhrFussel Not that anticheat is a bad thing to enable...it got better now and barely has any false positives anymore
21:01 IhrFussel I had it disabled in 0.4.15 server though cause it was meh
21:03 IhrFussel Mr_Pardison, since the chat field in Android is just a regular formspec ANY other formspec can overwrite it...imagine typing a long message and then suddenly it's gone cause some other formspec triggered
21:03 Mr_Pardison the horror.
21:05 IhrFussel And controlling with arrow keys is just not good on touchscreens...which is why it desparately needs a virtual joystick instead
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21:05 Mr_Pardison keyboard and mouse if tablet supports that.
21:06 IhrFussel Most devices don't support that AFAIK... and the solution needs to be builtin so a 360 degree touch joystick is the best option... we just need someone who has the ability and time to code it
21:07 Fixer o_O
21:07 Mr_Pardison not me.
21:07 IhrFussel The core devs already "found" someone who said he can work on it in Jan/Feb 2018 ... but what if he suddenly got no time anymore
21:08 Mr_Pardison I'm barely into coding stuff as is and am working on my own mod.
21:08 IhrFussel You need more knowledge than Lua modding for that...You need to know c++ and java
21:09 Mr_Pardison java I'm learning in school.
21:09 Mr_Pardison c++ I might tackle over a break or over the summer if I have time.
21:09 IhrFussel Ok not sure about c++... maybe just java would be enough to draw that joystick but you still need the variables from c++ side
21:10 Mr_Pardison I'm not going for th joystick.
21:10 Mr_Pardison out of my league for now.
21:10 Mr_Pardison Just going to freeze and let my feet get real cold now while I wait for my sis to come pick me up.
21:10 Mr_Pardison I could just walk home but that would take me a while.
21:10 Mr_Pardison I wish I had brought my skate board with me....
21:11 IhrFussel I didn't mean you need to code it^^ I was just escribing what it likely takes for our goal
21:11 IhrFussel describing*
21:11 Mr_Pardison it's fine.
21:12 Mr_Pardison just trying to keep my feet from becoming so cold that thye go numb.
21:12 Mr_Pardison my typing is also suffering from the cold.
21:13 IhrFussel paramat, do you got any plan B in case the guy doesn't manage to work on MT Android early next year?
21:13 Mr_Pardison plan c d and e are also nice to have.
21:13 Fixer shops via signs (used with economy), mc beta 1.7.3 (colourised): https://i.imgur.com/zKYhtwl.png
21:13 Mr_Pardison "it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." -Mr_Pardison
21:14 IhrFussel I think it's wrong to just think "oh i found someone for the work now and he'll take care of it"
21:14 paramat well obviously it can't be fixed in past MT versions =) we intend it to be fixed for 0.5
21:15 IhrFussel But the 0.5.0 breakage won't stop the illegal forks... it will just delay them but they will reappear
21:16 IhrFussel We can just hope that our 0.5.0 app became the most popular one by then
21:16 Mr_Pardison so, a stop-gap instead of a solution.
21:17 benrob0329 \>freeze
21:17 benrob0329 \>64 degree weather
21:17 paramat plan B ... we are always looking for other people to work on android, we won't rely on 1 person
21:17 IhrFussel Of course, since the source code will be public... app devs just need to wait for 0.5.0 Android to be finished and then they can start with their illegal forks again
21:17 Mr_Pardison benrob0329: windy here!
21:17 Fixer :)
21:17 Mr_Pardison and I'm not used to cold.
21:17 Mr_Pardison grrrrrrr
21:17 paramat this is why servers should switch to 0.5 asap
21:18 Mr_Pardison sister FINALLY said that she was on her way.
21:18 paramat so we can move players to the official app
21:18 paramat assuming it's fixed by then
21:19 IhrFussel But the illegal forks will connect to 0.5.0 servers then just like they connect to 0.4.X servers now ... app devs will likely offer a 0.5.0 fork of their app if they realize it's the *hot* new thing
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21:21 IhrFussel The positive thing is they will likely have to start over with that new 0.5.0 app which means 0 downloads, 0 reviews, 0 rating
21:22 Mr_Pardison give it a 5 star rating when it comes out so it is farther up the list
21:22 Mr_Pardison g2g
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21:24 IhrFussel I don't believe you can trick the play store like that...but either way our official app would still have the same downloads, reviews, rating + improved controls + UI ... so it could turn out to be the most popular modern MT app
21:26 paramat yes the bad apps will catch up, but slowly. also, multicraft (>1 million downloads) may not be upgrading to 0.5 ever
21:27 Roger9 Minetest atm is really laggy for me, is there any way to change that?
21:28 Raven262 Calinou, Wanna play TF2?
21:29 IhrFussel Roger9, what's your view range?
21:29 Fixer paramat: depends on greed :)
21:31 IhrFussel Roger9, also what's your FPS (press F5 in game) and does it improve when you press the - key a few times?
21:35 Calinou Raven262: alright :) on matchmaking?
21:35 Calinou (some common gametype)
21:35 Calinou casual matchmaking, that is
21:38 Calinou Raven262: there, you can invite me to a game/lobby
21:38 Roger9 IhrFussel: View range is the minimum, and I'll check my FPS now.
21:39 Roger9 FPS in singleplayer is ~13.
21:39 Roger9 Other than that, I believe the settings are default (haven't changed them besides view range).
21:42 IhrFussel Roger9, 0.4.16?
21:43 Roger9 IhrFussel: Yes.
21:43 Roger9 IhrFussel: I'm using the AppImage, but running the Windows version in Wine is just as slow.
21:43 Roger9 (if not slower)
21:45 IhrFussel First disable ALL shaders if not done yet ... second set leave styles as opaque, disable 3d clouds... next go to advanced settings enable "show technical names" and search for "mapblock" then look for mapblock_limit and set it to 100 or so
21:46 IhrFussel The setting is called client_mapblock_limit
21:53 IhrFussel Roger9, Also list the mods you use if there are any outside of Minetest Game
21:54 Roger9 M'kay.
21:55 Roger9 client_mapblock_limit is 100, all settings set to their minimum (opaque leaves, 2d clouds, all shaders are disabled). Gonna try singleplayer now.
21:55 Roger9 IhrFussel: FPS has risen, but only up to 15~20.
21:57 IhrFussel Roger9, any external mods? Or just MTG?
21:59 Roger9 IhrFussel: Just MTG.
21:59 Raven262 Calinou, Well, that wasn't really a fun round.
21:59 Calinou Raven262: you leaving, or going somewhere e lse?
21:59 Calinou else*
21:59 Calinou yeah
21:59 Calinou I don't like KOTH on Harvest very much
21:59 Calinou I prefer more open maps
21:59 Raven262 Idk, lisac left us
21:59 Raven262 Me too
21:59 Raven262 But we seem to have been stuck on those
21:59 Roger9 With the minimal development test, I can reach a semi-consistent FPS of 18~20.
21:59 Calinou wanna play payload or CTF?
21:59 Calinou I played CTF yesterday, was nice
22:00 Raven262 I do, If lisac does too.
22:00 lisac Sorry Calinou, it was either that or hanging myself.
22:00 IhrFussel Roger9, set active_block_range to 1
22:00 lisac I'm pretty close to hanging raven, though
22:00 lisac Skial/Panda 2fort?
22:00 Calinou Skial/Panda?
22:00 Raven262 YOu need to get a balloonicorn, lisac.
22:00 lisac servers.
22:01 Roger9 IhrFussel: Did that, no increase in FPS.
22:01 paramat client_mapblock_limit 100 is too small and will cause issues, it doesn't affect FPS
22:01 paramat are you in singleplayer?
22:01 Roger9 Yes.
22:02 Roger9 I'm resetting client_mapblock_limit to 5000.
22:02 Roger9 (at least I think that's what it was originally)
22:02 paramat also disable smooth lighting
22:02 Roger9 That's already disabled.
22:03 IhrFussel Roger9, try to enable undersampling
22:03 paramat ok, must be low power computer?
22:03 Roger9 paramat: My FPS was significantly higher until I wiped Windows and installed Linux.
22:04 paramat weird
22:04 IhrFussel Undersampling should help on every computer even if you set it to 2 the FPS should increase
22:05 IhrFussel The game will just look a tiny bit more pixelated
22:05 Calinou "a tiny bit"
22:05 Calinou that's only true on hiDPI displays :)
22:05 Roger9 Setting undersampling to 2.
22:05 Calinou also, non-native fullscreen will be faster than undersampling on such displays
22:05 Calinou (I have tested this, the difference is huge)
22:05 Calinou (30 FPS vs almost 60 FPS)
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22:05 Roger9 My FPS actually increased quite a bit - in fact, it's actually playable now.
22:06 Calinou Raven262: hmm, I don't like community servers, really
22:06 Calinou too much cruft
22:06 Calinou I used to be a fan of a few, but meh
22:06 Roger9 I don't mind the decreased resolution, either. I mean, Minetest is a voxel-based game (engine), so you don't really need that much detail.
22:07 Roger9 FPS is still 15 on CTF, though
22:08 IhrFussel Try undersampling 3 or 4 then
22:09 IhrFussel IMO you can still normally see the elements in the world even with 4
22:09 Roger9 Using undersampling 3, singleplayer gives me an FPS of 25~30.
22:10 Roger9 My FPS on CTF is still around 12.
22:11 Roger9 Undersampling 4 makes singleplayer completely smooth, which is cool.
22:11 Fixer Roger9: news flash, gpu performance is often worse on linux (depends on gpu)
22:11 Roger9 My FPS on CTF is still low, though.
22:12 Roger9 Fixer: I'm using the same laptop from when I had Debian 8 - the only difference is a new hard drive. And on Debian 8, MT runs completely fine.
22:12 Fixer Roger9: it is linux, regressions are fact of life
22:12 Roger9 Fixer: What would even be causing these regressions, though?
22:12 sfan5 my guess is that something about your video driver broke
22:15 IhrFussel If singleplayer is smooth but server isn't then it's the server's content which seems to be too heavy for your machine
22:15 Fixer Roger9: THIS IS SPARTA, i mean linux, everything possible, I had to mail a bugreport to linux dev team to fix kernel panic on screen brightness off (it was fixed pretty fast), thats just an example
22:15 lisac Calinou, join now
22:15 Fixer Roger9: check vsync, disable shaders
22:15 IhrFussel Does CTF use a custom TP?
22:15 lisac I'm on Skial 2fort server
22:15 Roger9 Fixer: Shaders are completely disabled. I'll check vsync.
22:15 Calinou ok
22:16 Calinou Roger9: check CPU and GPU usage
22:16 Fixer Roger9: vsync should be off
22:16 Calinou (what OS are you on?)
22:16 Roger9 V-Sync is disabled. Calinou: I'm on Debian 9.
22:16 Fixer and check if direct rendering is enabled
22:16 Fixer what gpu?
22:16 Calinou checking GPU usage is pretty difficult if you're using anything other than the NVIDIA driver on Linux :(
22:17 Fixer check your privilage with glxgears
22:17 Fixer and glxinfo (iirc)
22:18 Calinou these don't report GPU usage
22:18 Calinou (GPU usage ≠ VRAM usage, by the way)
22:18 Calinou (by "GPU usage", I mean "GPU core usage")
22:18 Fixer why do you need gpu usage, just check if driver is installed and direct rendering
22:19 Fixer so what is the gpu? cpu? resolution?
22:19 Roger9 Uh...
22:21 IhrFussel glxgears constantly reports 59 FPS here on an integrated intel chip from 2009 so I highly doubt his is older/worse
22:21 Calinou Roger9: what's your graphics card?
22:21 Calinou I didn't ask this, but it's the question to ask :)
22:21 Fixer IhrFussel: disable vsync ;)
22:21 Roger9 Calinou: I think it's integrated with my CPU...
22:21 Fixer IhrFussel: i had like 3000 fps in glx 13 years ago
22:21 Roger9 AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (1000MHz)
22:21 Calinou disabling compositing on Linux will greatly improve performance and reduce input lag
22:22 Calinou however, it makes for a less convenient desktop experience
22:22 Calinou and you will likely get tearing when playing videos/etc
22:22 IhrFussel Fixer, how do I disabel vsync though?
22:22 Calinou (so you should probably disable it only when playing a game)
22:22 Roger9 Compositing...?
22:22 IhrFussel disable*
22:22 Calinou IhrFussel: most compositors enforce V-Sync by default
22:22 Calinou Roger9: "desktop effects"
22:22 Fixer IhrFussel: there was some variable, hold on
22:22 Roger9 Calinou: What do you mean?
22:22 Calinou if you are on GNOME 3, too bad, you have to move away from it :)
22:22 Roger9 I use MATE.
22:22 Calinou since GNOME 3 doesn't allow disabling compositing at all
22:22 Calinou not sure if MATE allows disabling it, check for a "desktop effects" setting
22:22 Roger9 Calinou: I don't know what you mean by compositing, though.
22:23 Calinou compositing is a fancy term for "render windows on many layers, attempt to prevent tearing and optionally add some effects in the process"
22:23 Calinou as you can guess, it is the enemy of gaming, especially on Linux thanks to X11
22:23 Roger9 Ah.
22:23 Calinou (on Windows, it's completely fine)
22:23 Calinou (as of Windows 8, that is)
22:23 Calinou (you can't disable it there anymore, anyway)
22:23 Fixer IhrFussel: try this: vblank_mode=0 glxgears
22:24 IhrFussel 6572 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1312.754 FPS
22:25 Fixer Roger9: do "glxinfo | grep direct" and check if it says yes
22:26 Roger9 Fixer: I don't have glxinfo as of now, but I've found a package (mesa-utils) which includes it.
22:26 Fixer o_0
22:26 Roger9 ?
22:28 IhrFussel Off for now see ya
22:29 Calinou 1312 FPS is very low by today's standards
22:29 Calinou last time I tried on my desktop, I had 50,000-60,000 FPS
22:29 Calinou and on my previous desktop, 29,000 FPS with compositing disabled
22:29 Calinou (~20,000 with compositing enabled, IIRC)
22:29 Calinou Roger9: yeah, install the "mesa-utils" package
22:31 Roger9 Direct rendering is on.
22:32 Calinou I would be surprised if it was disabled
22:32 Calinou (the game probably wouldn't even start)
22:33 jas_ no way to get_player_control().zoom?
22:33 jas_ (i wanted to player:hud_set_flags({wielditem=false})
22:34 jas_ )
22:37 Calinou the zoom control isn't sent to the server
22:37 Calinou also, that would disable it server-side, without prediction
22:37 Calinou so there'd be visible lag when you zoom in and out
22:39 Roger9 For something like that, a CSM would probably be better.
22:40 Calinou indeed
22:43 paramat er no not CSM, we plan to remove wield when zooming
22:43 paramat it's obviously needed
22:47 jas_ also perhaps "minimap disable by server" message changed to "minimap requires mapping kit"
22:48 jas_ ha
22:48 Fixer meanwhile https://i.imgur.com/QqeC5AJ.png
22:59 Fixer pipes <3 https://i.imgur.com/jnpc0qc.png
23:00 Calinou that FOV looks tiny, especially since you're on 5:4
23:00 Calinou not good for combat :P
23:31 Fixer fine for me
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23:53 paramat ""minimap disable by server" message changed to "minimap requires mapping kit"" can't do that because the message is from the engine, the mapping kit is game-specific

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