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01:52 paramat sofar your github avatar (it's a good one too) is here https://github.com/identicons/sofar.png if you feel like resetting it. i actually find your blank white avatar disturbing oddly enough =D
04:15 VanessaE wow, been quiet in here all evening huh
04:55 sofar shhh ;)
05:11 VanessaE sofar: did you see the link I posted?
05:12 sofar lol, nice
05:14 VanessaE :D
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10:04 tenplus1 hi folks
10:07 VanessaE hi
10:08 tenplus1 hi Vanessa, how's things ?
10:10 VanessaE things are okay
10:10 tenplus1 good to hear
10:11 tenplus1 I have 7 crows outside making it look like a stephen king movie
10:11 VanessaE here's something to play around with :)  https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2640546
10:11 tenplus1 aww, das cute...  executive toy exclusive :)
10:11 VanessaE bahahaha
10:12 * tenplus1 builds a pump going from coffee cup to mouth.....   oh so lazy
10:12 VanessaE hah
10:12 tenplus1 *boss walks in*
10:13 tenplus1 I saw the new TubeLib mod, any plans on compatibility ?
10:14 tenplus1 or have you cornered that market already :)
10:14 VanessaE tubelib?  is that the flow/transfer library deltasquared is working on?  (if so, he's doing it with Pipeworks in mind, in fact)
10:15 tenplus1 sweet, glad to hear :)
10:15 tenplus1 am liking how many new machine mods are appearing
10:16 VanessaE in theory technic will eventually use it also, in lieu of its current, buggy power transfer code
10:18 tenplus1 that'd be handy, technic was always a nice mod to have but glitchy as hell
10:19 VanessaE aside from not being buggy :)  this new code he's working on will also be way faster, shouldn't induce any real lag anymore on big networks
10:19 tenplus1 o.O noice!
10:20 VanessaE indeed :)
10:21 tenplus1 ManElevation released a fork of my own Protector Redo with different sized protection area blocks... was all excited until I saw it didn't work at all...
10:22 VanessaE heh
10:22 tenplus1 jsut different coloured protectors and nothing more....   wah!
10:23 VanessaE I've been meaning to expand the protector blocks mod on my servers to offer a few different sizes also
10:23 tenplus1 it's a great idea in theory, but the logistics and programming all seem to lag when done :(
10:24 tenplus1 for multi-sized protected areas, the AREAS mod or Krock's protector mod is good for area-block protection
10:24 tenplus1 for simple static sized areas (configurable in .conf) then prot redo is easy enough :)  but am gonna rewrite soon for 0.50
10:25 VanessaE well the one my servers use (cheapie's mod) rely on areas as the backend anyway
10:25 VanessaE relies*
10:25 tenplus1 Cheapie was original Protector block that Zeg9 took over and then I rewrote into Redo...   my mod should be backwards compatible with all :D
10:26 VanessaE I thought cheapie wrote his from scratch
10:26 tenplus1 he did... he was the originator :)
10:26 VanessaE er...  I don't see how that's possible
10:26 VanessaE maybe you mean glomie?
10:27 VanessaE afaik THAT was the original protector blockl
10:27 tenplus1 ooh, have I got the names mixed up o.O
10:27 VanessaE -l
10:27 tenplus1 my bad
10:27 VanessaE you suck. ;)
10:27 tenplus1 it's the 'ie that threw me
10:27 tenplus1 ahahahahahah
10:27 tenplus1 yeah, is glomie... hahahaha
10:28 VanessaE so, yeah. :)
10:29 tenplus1 lol
10:29 VanessaE this one was from scratch afaik, and is not laggy at all since areas mod does the actual protecting
10:29 VanessaE expanding it to multiple sizes ought to be fairly simple, just haven't gotten around to it
10:29 tenplus1 I like the areas mod but the fact it saves to a file which an be corrupted put me off
10:30 VanessaE how else would you store the protection data?
10:30 VanessaE (short of mod storage?)
10:31 tenplus1 exactly...  anything that relies heavy on file usage kinda puts me off...
10:31 tenplus1 that's why a simple block placement took over :)
10:31 tenplus1 good for noobs, which I have many on server... ahaha
10:32 VanessaE I wouldn't worry about it.  if the protection database could become corrupt, then so could the map file, the players' files, auth.txt, etc etc etc
10:32 VanessaE (well, /etc too :P )
10:32 tenplus1 I wonder if a variant of sauth will be placed in-game to reaplace that file :
10:32 * VanessaE shrugs
10:33 VanessaE but I rather prefer flat files.  you can't gred and sed on a database.
10:33 VanessaE grep*
10:33 tenplus1 very handy when flat :)
10:34 VanessaE yup
10:35 tenplus1 do you have any servers using 0.5.0 yet ?
10:35 VanessaE nope.
10:35 VanessaE and I don't plan to.
10:35 tenplus1 problems ?
10:36 VanessaE I don't want to have to argue with the "breaks stuff" nature that 0.5.x is supposed to bring with it
10:36 tenplus1 the player model is the biggest change... am still using 0.4.16 so I can update and maintain mods
10:36 VanessaE besides, I don't track git anymore, haven't since 0.4.15.  I wait for new releases, unless there's some bad bug that demands me to update.
10:37 tenplus1 yeah... I do check git update code to see if anything handy is making an appearance then shoe-horn it into current game
10:40 tenplus1 once 0.5.0 is a stable release and mods can easily be ported over then I'll update and ask players to maybe do same...
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10:44 tenplus1 hi CWz
10:48 VanessaE hey CWz
10:48 CWz Hey tenplus1, Hey VanessaE
10:48 tenplus1 o/
10:49 VanessaE CWz: <spam> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2640546 </spam>
10:49 tenplus1 ehe
10:50 CWz cool
10:50 CWz tenplus1, make your monster mobs
10:50 CWz i want a dongeon master plushy
10:51 tenplus1 lol, well I can sew... ehehe
10:52 CWz i wonder what cool exiting feature will 0.5 bring
10:52 tenplus1 it has binoculars and map items added, player model changed and many fixes...
10:52 tenplus1 it just breaks current mods in certain ways tho
10:54 CWz what about multiworld and inter-server jumping
10:54 tenplus1 that's the issue... once you have 0.5.0 you can no longer go onto 0.4.16 servers
10:54 tenplus1 doesnt work
10:54 tenplus1 that's why 0.5.0 release has to be stable and compatible so that everyone can update at once and still play on all servers
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11:04 tenplus1 hi megaf
11:13 ImNotHere Hi 11
11:14 tenplus1 :P
11:16 ImNotHere My Megaf nick is now owned my IRCCloud :P
11:16 tenplus1 it has been nicked :P
11:16 ImNotHere I think I just destroyed my Android
11:16 ImNotHere software wise
11:17 tenplus1 what ya do ?
11:17 ImNotHere it's rebooting,
11:17 ImNotHere hopefully it will work
11:17 ImNotHere oh, back to life, thanks God
11:17 ImNotHere tenplus1, just did this http://www.supersu.com/gettingstarted#recovery
11:17 tenplus1 heh...  was gonna add the android 7.0 update files to my sd card and do an upgrade to my lenovo B...
11:18 ImNotHere ok, now moment of truth, lets try adb shell su
11:18 tenplus1 <fingers crossed>
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11:19 ImNotHere shell@smi:/ $ su
11:19 ImNotHere well
11:19 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:19 ImNotHere it just opened a new line
11:19 ImNotHere nothing happening
11:19 tenplus1 aw
11:19 ImNotHere shell@smi:/ $ su
11:19 ImNotHere ^C^C^C
11:19 ImNotHere Before it was command not found, I think it's some progress tho
11:20 tenplus1 getting there slow but sure
11:20 ImNotHere killall su worked
11:20 ImNotHere shell@smi:/ $ su
11:20 ImNotHere root@smi:/ #
11:20 tenplus1 guy on youtube has full linix distro running on his samsung when docked, looks pretty awesome
11:20 ImNotHere we have root!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:20 tenplus1 nice one dude
11:20 ImNotHere I HAVE ANDROID ROOT!!!
11:21 ImNotHere hah
11:21 ImNotHere I got the power!
11:21 tenplus1 ehehehe
11:21 ImNotHere Now I have my very own micro Linux computer
11:21 tenplus1 can disable all the fluff that comes with your phone
11:22 Raven262 Hi ten
11:22 tenplus1 hi raven :P
11:22 ImNotHere that my phones CPU http://paste.debian.net/plain/995657
11:23 tenplus1 your phone is running intel atom ? wow...
11:23 tenplus1 faster than my net-top pc's atom at 1.8
11:23 ImNotHere that's the CPU https://ark.intel.com/products/70097/Intel-At​om-Processor-Z2480-512K-Cache-up-to-2_00-GHz
11:23 ImNotHere no hardware virt tho
11:26 tenplus1 soon it'll get to the point where home pc's will end up being your phone connected to dock for a desktop or a bigger screen for tablet/laptop
11:26 ImNotHere Motorola did that several years ago
11:27 tenplus1 just needs a specific time and it'll take off so that everyone has it
11:29 ImNotHere https://www.amazon.com/Motorol​a-Xyboard-Premium-Docking-Sta
11:29 tenplus1 heh...   would save a fortune on phone repairs having switchable and dockable screens
11:30 ImNotHere https://www.pcworld.com/article/3081377/and​roid/hands-on-the-onecompute-moto-mod-could​-turn-your-android-phone-into-your-pc.html
11:30 ImNotHere Thats the current  version of it
11:30 tenplus1 :P
11:33 ImNotHere this is the first version, back in 2011 https://www.pcmag.com/feature/2​60402/motorola-atrix-4g-at-t/2
11:33 ImNotHere basically turns your phone into a laptop
11:34 tenplus1 yaaaay! I want that
11:36 ImNotHere uname -a
11:36 ImNotHere Linux localhost 3.0.34+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 26 11:18:30 CDT 2014 i686 GNU/Linux
11:36 ImNotHere I wonder if i can put normal Linux kernel there
11:36 tenplus1 wouldnt be surprised... so long as all devices are detected ok
11:39 tenplus1 I wondwer how well it would run the 4.14 kernel
11:48 tenplus1 back in a bit
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12:50 IhrFussel I installed postgresql-10 now on my server, created a user and a database.. does that look right so far? https://pastebin.com/QrwyrvTG ... next I need to compile minetest with psql support (I think the flag is -DENABLE_POSTGRESQL=TRUE)
13:12 IhrFussel Doing a safety backup now then it's time
13:33 IhrFussel Could NOT find PostgreSQL (missing:  PostgreSQL_TYPE_INCLUDE_DIR) (found version "10.1")
13:33 IhrFussel -- PostgreSQL not found!
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14:10 IhrFussel Okay I give up on psql for now...also I found out that iotop goes up to 80% IO when I fly around on the map...not sure if that is normal
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16:11 Fixer for example, recently someone made mod for mining in bulk with a tool, that was already done in MC 1.5.2 (Oct 2013) - veinminer (or probably even earlier)
16:13 Fixer or that analog of drawer controller with awkward interface - that was must have, yet someone made it in 2017 only and it seems not much servers use it
16:13 Shara Fixer: much more helpful to suggest specific things to add to MT though.
16:13 Fixer veinminer analog is added
16:14 Fixer storage interface (mt) is also big step forward
16:15 Fixer storage drawers are already here (which is very noice, but not completely finished)
16:15 Fixer drawers are awesome
16:16 Fixer or that MC beta 1.7.3 server mod: economy with sign shops
16:18 Shara I don't play, or even have, MC, so I have no way to help with attempts at duplicating ideas from it.
16:19 Fixer you click on sign with left click - you buy X items, right click - sell X items, simple, written 6 fuckyears ago
16:19 Shara So if hoping someone will attempt a mod based on any of this, it's just better to explain what you'd like to see.
16:19 Fixer or that towny thing, yeah, it is somewhat too complicated and sucks in some moments, but it has neat ideas and so powerful
16:19 Shara So a kind of general shop that buys sells... everything? Or specific things? Or what?
16:19 Fixer Shara: Jordach knows ;)
16:19 Shara buys/sells*
16:20 Fixer Shara: yeah, you set up simple shop via signs, simple and easy
16:20 Shara Jordach isn't the only mod writer who might make something is a clear idea is given :)
16:20 Shara if a*
16:20 Fixer Shara: he played modded mc a lot
16:20 Fixer iirc
16:20 Fixer and I watched modded lets plays a lot
16:21 Shara And that's fine, but I'm just saying explain it so others could help if they have time as well.
16:21 Fixer you just have not seen that awesomeness :( here we can expect technic/mesecons and well thats it :D
16:22 Shara Shops you describe don't sound so impossible
16:22 Fixer Refined Storage / Applied Energistics are insanely good mods we don't have even simple analogue
16:22 Fixer octacian was about to write something like it
16:22 Fixer iirc
16:23 Fixer alchemy mods
16:23 Fixer massive
16:23 Fixer and windows users are stuck with OOMs anyway
16:23 Shara Just Windows users? What do you mean?
16:24 Fixer linux seems better, i can't even play dreambuilder on windows pretty much
16:24 Jordach i casn run dreambuilder at 512HDX
16:24 Jordach with VRAM to spare
16:25 Shara I only know one mod that can OOM me on singleplayer in windows, and I've seen it bring down Linux based servers too.
16:25 Fixer technic-worldgen :D
16:25 Shara villages actually
16:25 Fixer Jordach: it is not about textures
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16:26 Shara unk had trouble with it on his server, so I did a lot of local testing as well.
16:26 Fixer also, darkage has this world gen OOMs too sometimes
16:27 Shara Red Cat hit an OOM on mesecons a couple of days back, and I still don't know why.
16:27 Fixer this too
16:27 Shara RC runs on Linux though
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17:24 Fixer Krock: huh
17:24 Krock Fixer, most downvoted reddit comment in its history
17:25 Krock sauce: https://www.reddit.com/r/data​isbeautiful/comments/7cujsc/
17:26 Krock rubenwardy, everybody helps where they can ;)
17:29 Fixer adjusted for EA?
17:29 Krock Fixer, they blew the reddit downvote records multiple times
17:30 Krock s/blew/made it on/
17:31 Fixer hmmm
17:31 Fixer checked that comcast swastika is not in top page anymore, SAD!
17:31 Fixer most hated companies of USA
17:32 Fixer comcast probably has even more hate than EA
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17:46 Fixer good times
17:46 Fixer fuck monopolies
17:46 Fixer and oligopolies too
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18:00 sofar just got a new NUC6CAYH at work to test... under 300$ computer that runs MT like a pro
18:00 sofar I even went overboard with an intel ssd in it, you can probably get it down to 200$
18:01 sofar *END SHAMELESS PAID ADVERTISMENT
18:01 Mr_Pardison XD
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18:02 Mr_Pardison looking at Intel's website, newegg has it starting at $129.96 USD
18:03 Mr_Pardison afk lunch
18:06 paramat 0.5.0 breaks very little actually, there seems to be misunderstanding. just player model offset and player attach position to vehicles, both easily fixed
18:07 sofar Mr_Pardison: yes, but that's just the box/cpu without ram/disk
18:14 paramat Fixer i must ask, politely, please stop going on about what MC had years before MT (and using it to complain). it's irrelevant, irritating and excessively negative
18:16 rubenwardy anyone know russian? How would you say "GLEB_R, please stop spamming that chat?"
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18:18 sfan5 rubenwardy: gtranslate should allow you to convey that in an understandable way
18:20 sofar твоя мать была хомяком, а твой отец пахнул койкой
18:20 Calinou sofar: you don't get NUCs for free?
18:20 Calinou :P
18:20 Calinou with i9s and the new GPUs that Intel are making with AMD
18:20 sofar Calinou: to work with, yes
18:21 sofar that particular product I have not seen
18:21 sofar does it exist?
18:21 Calinou that's the joke
18:21 sofar I get NUCs at work all the time
18:22 IhrFussel My bash bot uses translate-shell ... that makes realtime translation very easy and automated
18:22 sfan5 for everyones sanity: please don't implement automatic translation into chat
18:23 sofar hehe
18:24 Calinou for everyone's health: please do not implement automatic translation into chat
18:24 Calinou I tried mass-translating that one, not that good :(
18:24 sofar Calinou: I order about 20-40 NUCs a year at work for various purposes
18:24 Calinou omg, Latin is great for this
18:24 sofar 2 years back we built a 100-NUC cluster
18:24 Calinou everyones sake of health, and there is an automatic translation to implement up to chat
18:24 Calinou only 3 iterations
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18:25 IhrFussel I'm planning to make the translation message opt-in
18:25 Calinou oh, Fedora 27 was released today by the way :)
18:25 sofar clearlinux-19080 was released today
18:25 sofar we'll release clearlinux-19090 this afternoon
18:26 Calinou I was looking up Fedora in class and saw that version 27 was released :P
18:26 Calinou no Docker image yet, apparently
18:27 Calinou (I'm using it with GitLab CI)
18:27 Calinou f26 already has GCC 7.2.0 anyway
18:27 benrob0329 Calinou: and CUDA still only supports 25
18:29 IhrFussel Anyone a clue why cmake couldn't find psql? I had it installed and created a user and database ... but at compile time it said Could NOT find PostgreSQL (missing:  PostgreSQL_TYPE_INCLUDE_DIR) (found version "10.1") -- PostgreSQL not found!
18:29 sfan5 do you have dev headers installed?
18:29 Calinou benrob0329: hmm, why?
18:30 IhrFussel sfan5, I had postgresql-10 and postgresql-server-dev-10 ... then I tried postgresql-server-dev-9.6 but same error
18:31 sfan5 hmm idk then
18:31 IhrFussel But it says it found version 10.1 so it was kinda there?
18:32 IhrFussel And is 80% IO for emerge-0 thread OK?
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18:34 IhrFussel Although I don't get how 400 KB can push IO to 80% if the HDD got a read/write speed of 80+ MB/s
18:35 sofar it's probably io wait
18:35 rubenwardy thanks sofar
18:35 IhrFussel What causes that? It even happens on a new map
18:35 rubenwardy weird though
18:36 sofar thanks, for what?
18:36 rubenwardy he said  cyka then left
18:36 rubenwardy just kidding, I actually checked the translation you put
18:36 rubenwardy amazing
18:36 sofar lmao
18:36 sofar too bad it didn't entirely translate elderberries properly
18:36 sofar vetchez la vache!
18:38 * sofar throws more software on this Apollo Lake NUC
18:39 sofar wonder if I could blender on it...
18:39 Calinou what IGP does it have?
18:40 sofar intel HD
18:40 Calinou how recent?
18:40 sofar 2016Q4
18:40 Calinou Blender currently requires OpenGL 2.1, and soon will require OpenGL 3.3
18:40 Calinou that should be fine (even if slow)
18:40 Calinou Blender doesn't support undersampling IIRC, though
18:40 Calinou so, if you have a large display resolution, it'll be very slow
18:41 sofar minetest says 3.0
18:41 benrob0329 Calinou: CUDA ships a custom compiler based on GCC
18:42 benrob0329 So versions of GCC > 5 arent supported
18:42 benrob0329 (Much to my frustration)
18:42 sofar gcc-7.2 in clearlinux
18:42 sofar 5 is pleistocene
18:42 Calinou Minetest says 3.0 because it doesn't use Core Profile
18:42 Calinou Mesa supports only up to OpenGL 3.0 if not using Core Profile
18:42 Calinou (i.e. if using Compatibility Profile)
18:43 Calinou https://mesamatrix.net/
18:43 sfan5 >use outdated software
18:43 Calinou modern Intel IGPs (Skylake+) can do OpenGL 4.5 on Linux
18:43 Calinou so you're fine :)
18:43 Calinou benrob0329: you could install an old GCC, maybe
18:43 benrob0329 Maybe
18:44 benrob0329 My distro doesnt provide packages for older GCC versions though
18:44 benrob0329 So I'd have to switch distros (again) or build from source
18:44 Calinou On the first day, custom repositories were created. On the second day, Mark invented personal package archives. On the third day, hats came up with Copr.
18:45 Calinou I should start writing a bible for open source
18:45 Calinou building GCC from source shouldn't be too hard, https://github.com/richfelker/musl-cross-make does it for a musl-compatible GCC
18:45 Calinou this one doesn't do glibc GCCs though
18:46 * sofar grabs the flathub blender
18:46 Calinou just get it from blender.org
18:46 Calinou it's the only one they support at #blender :)
18:46 Calinou their binary is ridiculously portable, it bundles everything
18:46 sofar not relevant, I need to test flatpak functionality in my distro
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18:47 sofar otherwise I wouldn't even be doing this during work time
18:47 Calinou :(
18:47 * Calinou still is Flatpak-free here
18:47 Calinou as in, I've never needed one
18:47 benrob0329 Heres the thing, if CUDA needs an old version of GCC, why not bundle a GCC binary?
18:47 Calinou same for Snap
18:47 Calinou benrob0329: who would bundle it?
18:47 benrob0329 Nvidia
18:47 Krock sfan5, duh.. what adds the "g" in front of the git hash? That's stupid
18:47 Calinou considering NVIDIA isn't too big on GPL compliance, I doubt that :)
18:48 benrob0329 They use it, couldn't be that hard for 'em
18:48 sfan5 Krock:  it's easy to get confused about sure, but it's some sort of convention
18:49 benrob0329 But hey, I'll be taking my business elsewhere in the future anyways :-)
18:49 benrob0329 Heck, even Intel is
18:50 * sofar coughs hear hear
18:50 Calinou I wish I could
18:51 * benrob0329 drools over Vega Frontier
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19:12 Jordach benrob0329, *sells RX 480 for mining and gets the profits for the Vega*
19:19 Megaf Happy Megaf is Happy
19:20 Megaf I have just successfully replaced my macbooks pro keyboard.
19:20 Megaf 53 screws holding this keyboard in the chassis
19:22 IhrFussel Writing to map.sqlite seems to cause the most IO (30-90%) ... is there really NOTHING I can do about it? My server isn't very responsive with this issue
19:23 sofar yes, you could migrate to postgres
19:23 sfan5 use redis
19:23 sofar or redis
19:23 IhrFussel Is reis easier to setup than psql?
19:23 IhrFussel redis*
19:24 sfan5 probably
19:28 Fixer selling ATI X800GTO for mining, retro, give me lots of money, just because, crypto
19:29 Fixer sofar: 5 is pleistocene? Now what is GCC 2.X?
19:29 sofar that would be devonian
19:29 Fixer sofar: also, NUC looks interesting but price makes me SAD!
19:30 sofar trump sad or sad panda sad?
19:30 Fixer sofar: i kinda wish for passive cooling small box that can do gaming on medium details at 1080p, now thats "bestest"
19:30 sofar I'm running 1080p at 30fps with 8xFSAA
19:31 sofar could turn of FSAA it just looks pretty
19:31 sofar 250 distance
19:31 Fixer eh
19:31 Fixer sofar: in singleplayer?
19:31 sofar yes
19:32 sofar I have no network to external at work - udp firewallz
19:32 Fixer sofar: i kinda wish intel did something like C64 formfactor bad with passive cooling and "badass graphics", even with some SSD
19:32 sofar minnowboard
19:33 Fixer not sure what "bad" is doing in that sentence but you got the idea
19:33 Fixer intel atom -_-
19:34 sofar many vendors sell all-in-one systems where the PC is the keyboard or in the monitor, even
19:34 Fixer sofar: not good enough
19:34 Fixer sofar: yeah, seen those
19:34 Fixer seen one from HP iirc
19:34 Fixer i forgot how it is called
19:35 Fixer it is like thick monitor with cables
19:35 IhrFussel is the cmake flag -DENABLE_REDIS=1 ?
19:35 Fixer iirc it costs shit tons of money
19:35 Fixer unfortunately
19:36 sofar IhrFussel: cmake -LH . (shows cmake options and their values)
19:37 Fixer nuc cost is insane, i looked in some shops, 500usd for just box and CPU, insane
19:37 Megaf sfan5, any DB will cause use IO, why would Redis/PSQL be any better?
19:38 sfan5 redis because it moves io to predicatable times
19:38 sfan5 since it writes the db (depending on how much changes) at certain intervals
19:38 sofar Fixer: pfff, NUCs go from almost 100$ to high end i7's for 500$, entirely reasonable imho
19:39 sofar I'm not a fan of the skull canyon one myself, though
19:39 Fixer without vat?
19:40 Megaf sfan5, Redis sounds like a good DB for a Raspberry Pi then
19:40 sofar I'm in OR, there is no sales tax here
19:40 IhrFussel I compiled hiredis with sudo make install I hope that's right...
19:40 Fixer still insane, for that money i can upgrade to that new motherboard+corei3-8100(i5 basically)
19:41 Fixer some hunt for refurbished thinkpad
19:41 Fixer good option
19:42 sofar you're trading value for something else
19:42 Fixer sure
19:43 sofar some people pay 1000$ for a graphics card and will never buy a CPU that costs more than 120$
19:43 sofar then it's nonsense
19:43 sofar but i7 nucs are kinda pricey, I wouldn't buy them
19:43 Fixer even i5
19:43 sofar i3/i5 models are usually plenty for my needs
19:43 IhrFussel Is it safe to recompile while minetest runs?
19:44 sofar yes
19:44 sofar i3 7th gen nuc is ~250$
19:44 Fixer for example in local shop they want ~385$ just for i3 :/
19:44 sofar sure it's probably 50$ more than a no-name carboard box
19:44 Fixer and i need to buy ram, hdd, etc
19:45 sofar I don't want a pizza box by Cheng Electronics
19:45 sofar you only ever need ram+hdd with a nuc
19:45 sofar not (etc)
19:45 Fixer i5 near 500usd
19:45 sofar 340$
19:45 Fixer :/
19:46 sofar $213 (older gen, I think)
19:46 sofar wait that's without CPU
19:47 Fixer 213usd without CPU???
19:47 Fixer so it is box + mb + PSU = 213 usd?
19:47 Fixer that is damn pricy
19:48 sofar ultra slim (shuttle)
19:49 IhrFussel -- Redis backend enabled. ... seems to have worked... now I just need to edit world.mt and then run --migrate redis --world path correct?
19:49 sofar start a redis server, right?
19:49 sfan5 ^ this
19:50 IhrFussel Huh? Do I need more than hiredis?
19:50 sofar Fixer: 150$-220$ just for an i5 processor
19:50 sfan5 IhrFussel: redis is a database server
19:51 Fixer desktop core i3 is i5 for now (for same prjce), not sure about smaller form factors
19:51 IhrFussel So install redis-server package?
19:53 IhrFussel Ok seems to run redis    18209     1  0 20:52 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/redis-server 127.0.0.1:6379
19:53 IhrFussel Ready for migration now?
19:56 sofar setup redis credentials/db info?
19:56 sfan5 you should read the wiki page on db backends first
19:56 sofar https://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends#world.mt_settings_for_Redis
19:58 * Shara noticed the Aello
19:58 Shara Hello :)
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20:00 IhrFussel Hi Shara ... sofar sfan5 you mean this? https://pastebin.com/bUWrywy2 ... or do I need to create an account inside redis-server?
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20:00 sfan5 that config suffices already, redis has no concept of accounts
20:01 sofar it's been ages since I've tried, but yeah, I think that's OK?
20:03 IhrFussel In case something is wrong minetest will complain and not corrupt my sqlite DB right?
20:04 sfan5 why would it?
20:04 sfan5 in any case just make a backup
20:07 IhrFussel I made one 10 hours ago...so in case something gets corrupt the loss won't be big...I don't want to make another backup though
20:11 Megaf Maybe this is my next laptop https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad​-T410-Windows-10-Laptop-Webcam-Warranty​-Core-i5-2-4-Ghz-Grade-A/352059174799?h​ash=item51f85caf8f:g:t4cAAOSwWflZ7wgb
20:11 Megaf that model at least
20:11 Megaf to replace my MacBook Pro
20:12 Megaf going from a Core2Duo dual core 2,4 GHz to an i5 quad core 2,4 GHz
20:12 Mr_Pardison big improvement IMO
20:13 Megaf It's an old i5, but still, better than a Core2Duo
20:14 Mr_Pardison I'd like to get a new computer as mine is a Dell Vostro 3400. quad core 2.4GHz intel i5.
20:14 Calinou hi
20:14 Calinou Megaf: the T410 Is old
20:14 Mr_Pardison now it refuses to boot on me so I'm going to install fedora on it.
20:14 Calinou it's an old i5
20:15 Calinou also, I think it's dual-core
20:15 Calinou yep, it is
20:15 Megaf Calinou, Maybe I will buy this thing if I get the money https://www3.lenovo.com/ie/en/laptops/t​hinkpad/x-series/ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-5th​-Gen/p/22TP2TXX15G?IPromoID=LEN761771
20:15 Calinou both the i5-520M and i5-540M are dual cores with HT (2C/4T)
20:15 Calinou Megaf: sarcasm? :D
20:16 Megaf Calinou, eh, not really
20:16 Megaf I want a ThinkPad
20:16 Megaf I am replacing a MacBook Pro with a ThinkPad
20:16 Calinou ThinkPads are infamous for mediocre displays, even at high prices
20:16 Calinou if you don't need lots of connectivity, the Yoga 910 is pretty good
20:16 Calinou (or its successor, I haven't checked it out yet)
20:16 Calinou (source: I have a Yoga 910)
20:17 Megaf ah, that's dual core, forget about it
20:17 Calinou yes, they're all dual cores
20:17 Megaf I will just wait for some Ryzen ThinkPads to show up
20:17 Calinou quad core ultrabooks are currently being released thanks to Kaby Lake Refresh
20:17 Calinou (8th gen)
20:17 Calinou and 6-core laptops, soon
20:17 Calinou Megaf: probably not gonna happen
20:18 Mr_Pardison here in the US, at Costco I have found a couple of decent gaming ones for $800
20:18 Megaf https://www.laptopsdirect.ie/asus-gl702zc-amd-a8-1​6gb-1tb-256gb-ssd-17.3-inch-windows-10-laptop-gl70​2zc-gc104t/version.asp?refsource=LDIEadwords&amp;g​clid=CjwKCAiAxarQBRAmEiwA6YcGKIB7LMdncq_LK7PNNreUm​nIbFc1Q6aRMRgbuzmzVcEFirPwehAG9yBoCEm0QAvD_BwE
20:18 Megaf 16 threads ^
20:19 Megaf same price as the dual core thinkpad
20:19 Megaf fuck intel...
20:19 Megaf and 16 GB of RAM
20:19 Megaf AMD FTW
20:21 Calinou Mr-Pardison: gaming laptops have low battery life, poor finish and low portability
20:21 Calinou avoid them at all costs
20:21 Calinou (it's far better to get a desktop + an ultrabook instead)
20:21 Calinou (it will be more expensive, of course…)
20:21 Mr-Pardison ik.
20:21 Mr-Pardison I'm looking for somethign that is an all-around one.
20:21 Calinou source: I've had an Acer Aspire V Nitro in 2015-2016
20:21 Calinou there is no such laptop :)
20:21 Mr-Pardison ik.
20:21 Calinou either you optimize for portability, or for performance
20:21 Mr-Pardison One can wish.
20:21 Calinou unlike desktops, you have to make many choices
20:22 Calinou regardless of the price you're willing to pay for
20:22 Mr-Pardison I found a decent one that is less than $500.
20:23 Shara I've done okay with gaming laptops before.
20:23 Shara But then I don't object to carrying something heavier than the norm.
20:24 Megaf Well, the thing I care the most is build quality
20:24 Megaf My macbook pro has 57 screws just to hold the keyboard in place...
20:25 Megaf There's where your money go when you buy an Apple
20:25 Mr-Pardison screw that.
20:25 Mr-Pardison I can't stand apple.
20:25 Megaf (I counted, I have just replaced my keyboard)
20:26 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9UWrXF6Uw
20:26 IhrFussel minetestserver: error while loading shared libraries: libhiredis.so.0.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:26 oOChainLynxOo I'd get an old macbook pro just to put another os on it
20:26 oOChainLynxOo swap out the hdd with an ssd and upgrade the ram
20:26 Shara I used to travel too much to rely on a desktop for anything.
20:27 Fixer yeah, I was surprised on Thinkpad screen, they are POS
20:27 Shara So compromised with a laptop and not caring about how much it weighed :)
20:28 oOChainLynxOo went from a laptop to a desktop, and now miss being able to take it to bed and being chained to my desk :P
20:29 Megaf oOChainLynxOo, I have a 2010 MacBook Pro, removed the optical drive, removed the HDD, put a SSD and it runs Debian :D
20:30 Megaf And I will upgrade it to 16 GB of RAM soon
20:30 oOChainLynxOo Megaf: that's exactly what I'm gonna get
20:30 oOChainLynxOo not bad specs for its age
20:30 Fixer oOChainLynxOo: tablet seems more comfortable than notebook in bed
20:30 Megaf well, its CPU and VGA were underpowered when it was new already...
20:31 Megaf Core2Duo 2,4 GHz and nvidia 320M
20:31 Mr-Pardison I'm used to a laptop during my late-night sessions.
20:31 Fixer i've tried to lie in bed with 15" notebook, NOPE_NOPE
20:31 Megaf 13" laptops, that's the sweet spot
20:31 oOChainLynxOo i've tried tablets in bed, idk why but i'm not much of a tablet person
20:31 Fixer on the other hand tablet with good screen and touch interface in bed is good
20:32 Megaf you you try people in bed... I promise it can be better than tablets...
20:32 Fixer not everyone likes android though
20:32 Megaf you shout try*
20:32 Fixer android, windows, ios, macos, linux just grades of shit
20:32 Megaf BeOS for the win!
20:32 Fixer linux just does not report on you much
20:33 oOChainLynxOo really wanna sell my ipad
20:33 oOChainLynxOo won't get much tho since it's older
20:33 oOChainLynxOo used to be an iSheep when I was a teenager
20:33 Mr-Pardison adn it asks you if you want to send a bug report when something crashes which is nice.
20:33 Mr-Pardison iSheep. lol
20:33 Mr-Pardison I don't even have a phone.
20:34 Fixer nice
20:34 Fixer iSheep
20:34 Mr-Pardison #firstworldproblems
20:34 Megaf Well, I do appreciate old Apple hardware, it used to be quite good
20:34 Fixer we need such mod for minetest
20:34 Megaf now days they are all crap
20:34 Fixer Megaf: screens are good
20:34 IhrFussel sfan5, sofar -> minetestserver: error while loading shared libraries: libhiredis.so.0.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:34 Megaf Fixer, yep, but their computers aren't
20:34 oOChainLynxOo i remember wanting one of the old clamshell ibooks with the handle
20:34 Megaf And I'm not talking about performance
20:34 sfan5 so you managed to compile & link mt with hiredis but it's not actually preset at runtime?
20:35 sfan5 something is broken with your environment
20:35 Fixer where else you can find good 16:10 screen on notebook? everything is 16:9 thin crap
20:35 Megaf oOChainLynxOo, those were/are quite neat
20:35 IhrFussel The file DOES exist /usr/local/lib/libhiredis.so.0.13
20:35 Fixer they can't even stop putting that 1366*768 resolution from 1995
20:35 Fixer come on
20:35 Megaf IhrFussel, ldd minetestserver
20:35 Megaf Fixer, indeed
20:36 Megaf I'm a victim of a 15" 16:9 1366x768 laptop
20:36 Megaf from 2014
20:36 Megaf a Toshiba Satellite
20:36 sfan5 IhrFussel: did you install libhiredis manually?
20:36 oOChainLynxOo oh god
20:36 Mr-Pardison RIP.
20:36 sfan5 in either case try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib
20:36 oOChainLynxOo i've had 2 toshiba lappys in my time
20:36 oOChainLynxOo euugh
20:36 Mr-Pardison I still have one of those tiny acer netbooks but it's broken (dropped it and the power button thinks it is continually being tapped)
20:36 IhrFussel sfan5, I downloaded the zip from github, changed to its dir and sent sudo make install
20:37 Megaf IhrFussel, did you make before make install?
20:37 sfan5 and why didn't you install it from the repos?
20:39 Fixer Megaf: lol, RIP your eyes
20:39 Fixer when i see it, i want to throw up
20:39 Megaf Fixer, why do you think I dont even know where I put that laptop
20:39 IhrFussel sfan5, how do I delete the manually compiled version now?
20:39 Fixer half screen white, half screen dark, and pixelated
20:39 sfan5 IhrFussel: you don't, just keep it now
20:39 Megaf I honestly don't know where my Satellite is
20:39 Fixer Megaf: use it as server
20:40 Megaf Fixer, Already have ODroid and Raspberries for that
20:40 Fixer lol
20:40 Fixer you have plenty
20:40 IhrFussel libhiredis0.13  libhiredis-dbg  libhiredis-dev which is it?
20:40 Megaf -dev
20:40 sfan5 you have it installed manually, DO NOT install the package on top of that
20:41 Megaf ^ dat
20:41 Megaf remove what you installed before
20:41 IhrFussel How do I uninstall something I installed via make install...make uninstall?
20:41 Megaf try
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20:50 Megaf Speaking from a tablet now
20:50 IhrFussel I have to delete the files manually
20:51 Megaf So do it
20:51 Megaf find / -lname *hiredis*
20:51 Megaf or find / | grep hiredis
20:52 sfan5 rm -r /usr/local/lib/libhiredis.* /usr/local/include/hiredis* probably works
20:53 Megaf Or that
20:55 benrob0329 \>Toshiba laptop
20:55 benrob0329 Been there, done that. Still sitting dead in the get-rid-of pile
20:56 IhrFussel I used ls -R /usr | grep hiredis and deleted all those... now libhiredis-dev is installed and I ran minetestserver --migrate redis --world path ... it doesn't give any progress?
20:56 sfan5 it should
20:56 IhrFussel It just says 2017-11-14 21:53:33: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory!
20:59 IhrFussel Seems to work though...iotop tells me 99% constantly
21:00 Mr-Pardison well, g2g soon (2 minutes) will brb
21:01 IhrFussel Am I seeing that correctly? Read speed per second is 500 KB?? That will take DAYS with a 19 GB DB
21:03 Megaf IhrFussel: Patience
21:03 Megaf My server have been down for months, been trying to optimze and work around all MT problems
21:03 Megaf while staying with sqlite
21:03 Megaf and my map is @only@ 5 GB
21:03 Megaf "only"
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21:04 IhrFussel Megaf, I cannot have my server own for so long...I thought it could take a few hours maybe...but I will have to cancel it if it really would take days
21:04 IhrFussel down*
21:07 sfan5 shouldn't take that long
21:08 IhrFussel sfan5, I cancelled it... Before I really do it again I want to first check if redis really takes care of the lag spikes caused by IO
21:10 sfan5 make a copy of your server and test it with that
21:14 IhrFussel sfan5, where does redis store the DB?
21:15 sfan5 ask google
21:31 Calinou so I started up Minecraft Infdev today…
21:31 Calinou [nostalgia intensifies]
21:31 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/jav​aw_2017-11-14_22-25-43.png
21:31 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/jav​aw_2017-11-14_22-19-18.png
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21:42 Fixer compressing PDFs LIKE A BOSS
21:43 Fixer Calinou: install beta 1.7.3
21:43 Fixer Calinou: and mod it
21:43 Fixer .___.
21:43 Fixer for maximum effect
21:44 Fixer p-r-m-t will kill us for offtopic
21:46 Fixer Calinou: check gravel texture *cough*
21:48 Calinou this is one inch away from a topic, since it's that other voxel game :P
21:48 Calinou also, this week, I'm celebrating my 7th Minecraft birthday
21:52 Fixer intensifies
21:53 Fixer Calinou: and I celebrated 6 years of minetest
21:53 Fixer Calinou: and somewhat less of Minecraft, I've played it on their website for few days ._.
21:53 Fixer Calinou: but did not install, because 1536mb RAM, and java
21:54 Fixer Calinou: actually videocard performance was a concern, i've tried some post release one, and it was like 40 fps
21:54 Calinou yeah
21:54 Calinou today's computers run Minecraft very easily
21:54 Calinou we've come a long way between 2010 PCs and 2017 ones :P
21:55 Fixer yah
21:55 Calinou I began playing Minecraft on an Core 2 Duo @ 3 GHz, 3 GB of DDR3 and a GeForce 9800 GTX
21:55 Calinou on Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit
21:55 Calinou 50-70 FPS on Far+Fancy in 1920×1080
21:55 Fixer i have torrent of minecraft dated 17.05.2011
21:55 Fixer says it is 1.5
21:55 Fixer probably it is beta 1.5 that i've tried
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21:59 Calinou yep, Beta 1.5 was released on April 30
21:59 Calinou April 19
21:59 Calinou I remember many MC release dates by heart
22:06 Fixer holy fuck, so i've pretty sure tried out beta 1.5
22:10 Fixer ----.cd >400gb torrent o_O
22:12 Calinou I ran a seedbox to seed Linux ISOs and open source releases, but got into trouble again :|
22:12 Calinou so I'm not doing it anymore
22:12 Calinou (2nd time this happens to me)
22:13 Calinou (when I get to 3, I'm sure an helicopter will follow me 24/7)
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22:16 Fixer minecraft.jar only 1.3mb
22:16 Fixer pretty sure it is beta
22:16 Fixer so i can technicly celebrate 6 years too
22:16 Fixer of minecraft
22:16 Fixer i chose minetest
22:16 Fixer what a silly dumb opensource zealot
22:17 Fixer .___.
22:19 ThomasMonroe lol
22:20 Calinou my Minecraft Infdev world is 3.5 MB
22:20 Calinou (a .zip is 3.9 MB, go figure)
22:20 Calinou the game loads it in less than 0.5 seconds
22:20 Calinou (very impressive, compared to today's Minecraft)
22:26 IhrFussel Can I use the map.sqlite that's been used for migration still after I cancel the process? I mean is the sqlite DB 100% functional?
22:27 sfan5 yes
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22:30 Fixer Calinou: i have Etho's lets play series 1 world (beta world)
22:30 Fixer hunted it down on the internetz
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22:31 Calinou heh, I never paid much attention to Minecraft YouTubers
22:31 Calinou but I do remember that name
22:31 Fixer Calinou: remembering reading manual before actually trying that beta 1.5 thing
22:31 Calinou and… Honeydew
22:31 Calinou "DIGGY DIGGY HOLE, I JUST SAID IT, I AM 20% COOLER NOW"
22:31 Calinou :|
22:32 Fixer Calinou: also, i did actually play Infiniminer
22:32 Fixer not sure how many did too
22:32 Calinou I never played it
22:32 Calinou what if Minetest cloned Infiniminer instead of Minecraft? ;)
22:32 Fixer it is voxel engine with some 8bit gamestyle
22:32 Calinou Infinitest
22:32 Fixer lol
22:33 Fixer minecraft beta gravel texture *cough* https://media-elerium.cursecdn.com/a​ttachments/10/932/2014-05-09_15.png
22:33 benrob0329 eww
22:34 Fixer seems familiar, right? :D
22:44 Fixer in a surprising mooove, i will compile new minetest and confirm some fixes and review that light curve
22:44 Calinou yeah, the gravel texture was pretty bad
22:44 Calinou many textures were good, even in the 2010 Minecraft :)
22:45 Fixer Calinou: we had the same freaking gravel texture ;)
22:45 Fixer literally close to same
22:46 Fixer anyone tried new firefox quantum?
22:48 * Calinou attempts building Minetest using MSVC 2017, installing libraries using vcpkg
22:48 Calinou I wish I could use MSYS2, but CMake doesn't like it :(
22:49 Fixer in what way?
22:49 Fixer Calinou: i'm using msys2 without problems
22:53 Calinou it doesn't find the OpenGL libraries
22:54 Calinou I've been struggling with this for months
22:55 Calinou :( CMake doesn't find libogg/libvorbis that I installed using vcpkg
22:55 Calinou anyway, vcpkg doesn't have Irrlicht
22:59 Fixer Calinou: you are using mingw-cmake, right?
22:59 Fixer Calinou: msys2 + slightly modified buildbot64.sh works like a charm
23:00 Calinou I installed CMake in MSYS2, yeah
23:00 Calinou what did you modify?
23:00 Calinou could these modifications be upstreamed, too?
23:02 Fixer Calinou: 1) added sh.exe renamer 2) mingw32-make package -j$(nproc) 3) autoadding stdc libs to zip
23:02 Fixer Calinou: 4) logging into file
23:02 Fixer also checked that toolchain file so it is correct
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23:20 Fixer Calinou: did this in beta if you have not seen https://i.imgur.com/wWRX8Bo.png
23:26 Calinou looks nice
23:26 Calinou I'm a bad builder :(
23:26 Calinou or, at least, I don't even try building fancy things these days
23:26 Calinou (lack of time)
23:37 Fixer it is not made in one day
23:37 Fixer lets say it was finished in month
23:37 Fixer months
23:38 Fixer no time, or no mood, or no concept, or lag, or shitty - rebuild, thinking on interior, thinking on exterior, doing other project, etc-etc
23:38 Fixer i did nether hub in between
23:41 Fixer Calinou: another my project https://i.imgur.com/q4lhgBE.png
23:41 Fixer finished too
23:46 Jordach >tfw you figure out what subnets
23:46 Jordach >tfw it's literally a folder in a folder in a folder
23:47 Jordach it's used to get past IP assignment limits on connected devices

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