Time Nick Message 00:02 Fixer rubenwardy: is there player balancing? 00:02 rubenwardy no currently 00:02 rubenwardy on my to do list 00:03 Fixer rubenwardy: it should also work when someone is afk kicked, probably 00:03 rubenwardy not too hard to do, just requires sorting the player list by score before auto allocated 00:03 rubenwardy well 00:03 rubenwardy meh 00:04 rubenwardy what happens if there is a new player that is really good? 00:04 rubenwardy and it's bad to have no randomness 00:05 rubenwardy it's probably better to completely randomly allocate, then swap the a random top X player on the better team with the a random bottom X player on the other team until within a certain % difference or 3 swaps 00:05 rubenwardy that's probably overly complex though, and may not work as well as I hope 00:13 Fixer *,,,,,* 00:39 Fixer good night 10:27 Calinou hi 10:28 jas_ hi Calinou, do you want to try a jump? 10:28 Calinou a jump? 10:29 jas_ ye, on my server. i dunno haha lol i thought you might 10:29 Calinou where? 10:30 jas_ dcbl.duckdns.org:30000 10:30 jas_ 0.5.0 client 10:30 jas_ i might have to stop streaming 10:30 jas_ you might just time out lol 10:31 CWz can anyone help me with get_physics_override 10:31 jas_ maybe, it's a table. has specific entries, i think. 10:31 jas_ like new_move=bool 10:32 Calinou I don't have a 0.5 client at hand, and I need to go soon 10:33 jas_ speed, jump, are some other ones. i think it's all listed in lua_api.txt 10:33 jas_ okie dokie, nvm then :) 10:33 jas_ there's a simple jump outside spawn 10:33 jas_ two stone pillars 10:33 jas_ easy to hard in a simple structure 10:35 Calinou rubenwardy: on CTF, the blue font is a bit hard to read (it's too saturated) 10:35 Calinou same for the red font (but not as much) 12:07 rubenwardy you choose the color :D 12:07 rubenwardy also, the CTF server just breached 40 players 12:07 rubenwardy although down now 12:08 rubenwardy *dropped again 12:08 rubenwardy oh, my graph is wrong. Serverlist says 38 12:30 rubenwardy my graph gets player number every 15 seconds, so is probably more accurate 12:31 IhrFussel Server list only refreshes every 5 minutes so player count is very inaccurate there 12:32 IhrFussel I wonder if 5 minutes is really necessary...servers should send their status more often...I mean it's less than 1 KB 12:52 sfan5 ideally the client would query this on its own 12:52 sfan5 which would also allow determing ping 13:07 Calinou yeah 13:07 Calinou that's what all other games do :P 13:08 Calinou IhrFussel: server heartbeats could be sent faster indeed, ask sfan5 about it 13:08 Calinou (if it's ok to decrease it to 1 minute, for example) 13:08 Calinou this would mean that servers shutting down would disappear sooner, too 13:08 Calinou (like, 3 minutes) 13:15 rubenwardy 700 requests whilst scrolling? No thanks 13:15 rubenwardy 700 requests at start up? even worse 13:15 rubenwardy oops 13:15 rubenwardy wrong way round, 240 is still pretty bad 13:16 rubenwardy plus there's no possibility for HTTP/2 13:26 rubenwardy am I being an idiot - what's the command for a normal user to set their password in a non-srp way? 13:26 rubenwardy for IRC 13:27 rubenwardy quality nicks: uuuusjjsjsjxjjd 14:42 sfan5 Calinou: when servers shut down they are supposed to send a "stop" event to the server list anyway 14:42 sfan5 rubenwardy: isn't that /setpassword ? 14:42 rubenwardy requires the password priv, so no :/ 14:43 rubenwardy probably should only require the priv if the user is not the caller 14:44 sfan5 hm not really needed, there's a password change gui for a reason 14:47 rubenwardy does that remove SRP though? 14:47 rubenwardy tbh, the irc commands mod should just add SRP support 14:48 sfan5 the pw change gui should have been revised to support srp at the time it was added 14:48 rubenwardy ?> 14:49 sfan5 ? 14:50 rubenwardy do you mean that the pw change GUI does support SRP, or that it doesn't? 14:50 sfan5 i don't know whether it does, i'm saying it should 14:52 rubenwardy I thought it did, I remember there being discussion of mid-game SRP stuff for that 14:54 rubenwardy well, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-irc_commands/issues/6 14:54 rubenwardy !title 14:54 ShadowBot Add SRP support · Issue #6 · ShadowNinja/minetest-irc_commands · GitHub 14:55 sfan5 that completely compromises the security of srp though 14:55 rubenwardy well, it's as good as a normal hashed password 14:59 rubenwardy ah, it does support SRP 14:59 rubenwardy it didn't after it was first iintroduced 14:59 rubenwardy it meaning irc commands 15:37 Jordach mfw my phone can run brutal doom r20 at QHD+ without stopping 15:38 Jordach also 15:38 Jordach new phone, who dis 15:39 Jordach hint: it's not a crapdrag 835 15:42 rubenwardy oh wow, your phone can run doom 15:42 rubenwardy that narrows it down 16:06 Calinou 700 requests whilst scrolling? No thanks 16:06 Calinou you do realize most games do that just fine? 16:06 Calinou it's not a problem, even on slow ADSL or 4G 16:07 rubenwardy I have a 200Mbps connection, and my server is 100Mbps. It took 1:30 to load 100ish assets 16:08 rubenwardy I guess maybe it's biased as that's to one server 16:08 rubenwardy and is routed through a proxy and docker 16:08 Calinou a direct request does not use HTTP 16:08 Calinou HTTP is dog slow :P 16:08 rubenwardy JSON is HTTP, I guess you could UDP though 16:08 Calinou yep 16:08 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/ezquake_server_browser_settings.png 16:08 Calinou these are the default ezQuake server browser settings 16:09 Calinou as you can see, 200 pings are sent by seconds (only 1 try, but if you set more tries, you get a more accurate ping value; Xonotic defaults to 3 tries) 16:09 Calinou and 200 info requests (an "info" contains the player list, current map/mode, etc) 16:09 Calinou there's 352 servers in the list right now, too 16:09 Calinou (and a secondary master, which is also enabled, has 300 servers on it) 16:13 Jordach rubenwardy, it's a 2017 6.3" monster 16:13 rubenwardy 6.3"???? 16:13 Jordach it also scores at the top of geekbench 16:13 Calinou my S7 edge runs GZDoom fine at QHD 16:13 Calinou but I play in 854×480 because the HUD is larger that way 16:14 rubenwardy I have an S7 edge too 16:15 * Calinou high fives rubenwardy 16:15 Calinou except it's really unfriendly to custom ROMs :( 16:15 Calinou (like, the camera becomes shit) 16:15 * Jordach laughs in Galaxy Note 8 16:15 Calinou so much for "Samsung Open Source" 16:15 Jordach it's always samsung knox 16:16 Jordach *trust me on this* 16:16 Jordach Calinou, https://i.imgur.com/5nmgaSH.jpg 16:17 Jordach my x360 controller works just fine 16:17 Calinou Jordach: which source port does it run? 16:17 rubenwardy > discord 16:17 Jordach https://github.com/nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android/ 16:17 Calinou if that was Zandronum, we could play multiplayer 16:17 Calinou :D 16:17 Calinou oh yeah, I use that one too 16:18 Jordach retroarch's PrBoom literally doesn't work on Exynos 16:18 Jordach reeeeeeee 16:18 Calinou yeah, GZDoom is better anyway 16:18 Calinou although the Android port isn't on GZDoom 3 yet 16:18 Calinou (the first GPL release) 16:18 Calinou (yes, it took 16 years for the Doom community to have a GPL-compatible ZDoom-based port) 16:18 Jordach >nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android is licensed under the GNU General Public License v2.0 16:18 Jordach :thinking: 16:19 Calinou the port's code is GPLv2 16:19 Calinou but GZDoom < 3.0.0 is under the Doom Source License as a whole 16:19 Calinou and 3.0.0 and later are GPLv3 16:19 Jordach v2 and v3 are next to each other in GH 16:19 Calinou (this led to the removal of FMOD support, by the way) 16:20 Jordach Calinou, finally found a phone that can drive my frigging AKG Studio Monitors 16:22 Jordach my OTG cable can power the wireless adapter for the x360 controller 16:22 Jordach shame the native android drivers aren't properly mapped correctly 16:25 Jordach Calinou, also, Virgin Media gave me a speed boost 16:25 Jordach http://www.speedtest.net/result/6698369411.png 16:31 Fixer Jordach: Chad Media 16:32 Fixer on the other hand my virgin ISP is fucking piece of shit 16:32 Fixer no speed bumps 16:32 Jordach Fixer, but i'm a chad nao 16:32 Fixer only price bumps 16:32 Jordach i've got a job :^) 16:32 Fixer very noice 16:33 Jordach mfw my Galaxy Note 8 didn't require an upfront cost due to me having an existing contract 16:33 Jordach :^) 16:33 Jordach didn't get stung with paying for ending the contract early 16:33 Fixer nobody cares about those toys 16:34 Jordach Fixer, tfw IT requires me to note practically everything 16:34 rdococ Fixer: my ISP is also shit, only instead of price bumps I get disconnection bumps quite often 16:34 Fixer okay 16:34 rdococ I don't care how virgin is increasing the prices of their broadband, I'd do anything to go back to it 16:35 Jordach ...get a job that isn't starbucks / Macca's? 16:35 Fixer rdococ: when i said virgin, i said in meme meaning 16:35 Fixer i don't have virgin but ISP that was previously gov monopoly (probably still is) 16:36 * Jordach looks at British Telecoms 16:36 Jordach hmmmmm 16:36 rdococ oh 16:37 Jordach >30GB at 15mbps up 16:37 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/t4DB78A.png kill me 16:38 Jordach FLAC files ain't going there, hell no 16:38 sfan5 >upload music to le cloud 16:38 sfan5 unless it's your own then it's fine 16:38 Jordach >has 128GB uSD card dedicated to the hi-res walkman 16:39 Fixer sfan5: but but it iS SCLSODASIDHAS_CLOUD 16:39 Jordach consdering i threw spotify in the trash a while back 16:39 Fixer sfan5: We NEED YOUR DATA_ 16:39 Jordach secondly 16:39 Jordach plex is a joke :&) 16:39 Jordach :^) 16:39 Fixer also, WE NEED YOUR MONEY 16:39 Fixer a bit later though 16:40 Fixer with prices of 1TB HDD per year 16:40 Fixer thanks, but no 16:41 Jordach Fixer, not everyone has upload capacity 16:41 Fixer yep 16:41 Jordach considering i can't even hit 2mbps up during the day 16:41 Fixer usually it is some shitty 16:41 Fixer yep 16:41 Jordach it's currently worth it for GPlay 16:41 Fixer even my shitty ISP has more UP than you 16:42 Jordach i mean, £15/mo for GPlay or £25/mo for a dedi server with 250GB 16:42 Fixer noice 16:42 Jordach one of them is technically worth it 16:42 Jordach i've taken to the mindset of keeping things minimal at this point 16:43 Jordach makes it easier than using hundreds of dollar services 16:47 Jordach makes it a breeze to inventorize active services that i pay for 16:48 Fixer kinda sad, that even street whore has access to our data 16:49 Jordach noticed that all of the pre web 1.0 bubble companies survived are gigantic now? 16:49 Jordach what did they do then? big data 16:49 Jordach what do they do now? 16:49 rdococ big money 16:50 Jordach i have the feeling that government contracts made many hunt for them 16:50 Jordach you know how overblown their costs are for something simple 16:50 * Jordach points to the ACA rollout 16:54 rdococ hm 16:55 rdococ so minetest.register_privilege("frcoin", {description = "Allow a player administrative control over the R-Coin system"}) would not give it to singleplayer, but *only* supplying the description as a string (without the 'table of properties') would? 16:55 rdococ if so, that's interesting 16:57 rubenwardy #minetest-edu 16:57 rubenwardy will probably be dead for the next week as coursework 16:59 Fixer there is minetest-edu? 17:02 rdococ wat 17:08 Jordach bloody hell it's dark right now 17:08 Fixer "Intel will ship processors with integrated AMD graphics and memory" :D 17:09 Jordach Intel BTFO permanently 17:10 rdococ welcome to the country where bloody is a bloody swear word 17:10 Fixer "Fake WhatsApp App Downloaded 1 Million Times" NOIIIIIIIIICE 17:10 Fixer more devastation 17:11 Fixer we need more 17:11 rubenwardy you know why that is, rdococ? 17:11 rubenwardy because it's always bloody wet 17:11 rdococ lol 17:11 rdococ I like using the word 'bloody' sometimes because it lets me get across intense emotions such as anger without "swearing" in the eyes of Americans 17:12 rdococ of course, I still chuckle as the feeble humans argue over which combinations of sounds should not be emitted despite the lack of actual targeted malicious intent in them 17:22 IhrFussel I let the mod profiler run for 2 days now and try to optimize whatever mods cause large lag spikes... and I noticed switching from files to player attributes in certain mods does wonders 17:29 rdococ I ended up using mod storage in the R-Coin mod because I don't think player attributes are in 0.4.16. 17:29 rubenwardy I swear it is? 17:29 rubenwardy hmm 17:30 rubenwardy I can't use player attributes as the player SQLite database is ssssssllllooooowwww 17:30 rubenwardy rdococ, is is: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/0.4.16/doc/lua_api.txt#L3223 17:30 rubenwardy player attributes are in 0.4.16 :P 17:32 rdococ oh 17:32 rdococ lol 17:32 rdococ eh, too lazy to rewrite it to use player attributes 17:33 rubenwardy So, you know how losing your items on CTF is very annoying? 17:33 rubenwardy on the next update, there will be gems 17:34 rubenwardy gems can be used to recover your weapons after a death, or to buy weapons 17:34 Calinou in-app purchases? :D 17:34 Calinou $0.99 per gem 17:34 rubenwardy you can get 100 gems for £5 from rubenwardy.com/store 17:34 Calinou haha 17:34 Calinou I was right 17:34 Krock 404 17:34 Calinou you're going to be rich :^) 17:34 rubenwardy ikr 17:34 Calinou be prepared to make Minetest CTF Saga 17:34 rdococ ooh 17:34 Calinou and Flappy Sam 17:34 rdococ wait what 17:34 rubenwardy Minetest needs an IAP API for Android 17:35 rdococ I hope that isn't serious, lol 17:35 rubenwardy would make more job easier 17:35 rubenwardy *my 17:35 Calinou thing is, Google Play Services is proprietary 17:35 Calinou so linking it with Minetest is not possible 17:35 Calinou and I'm quite sure IAPs go through the GPS 17:35 rubenwardy people use ads all the time 17:35 rubenwardy rdococ, totally 17:35 rdococ rubenwardy: I wouldn't mind an ingame currency for CTF as long as you can't buy it for real money. 17:35 Calinou it also woudln't work with the F-Droid version, for obvious reasons 17:35 Calinou wouldn't* 17:35 rubenwardy you can also kill one player of your choice per round immediately for 50 gems 17:35 rdococ I wouldn't mind being able to get real money from that currency, though. 17:36 rdococ Immediately? but then they'll just respawn 17:36 rubenwardy that's why it's only 50p 17:36 rubenwardy a bargin! 17:36 rdococ ... 17:37 rubenwardy for 20 gems you'll be able to change your skin to any in our large collectioj 17:37 Krock I̵ ̵w̵o̵u̵l̵d̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵m̵i̵n̵d̵ ̵b̵e̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵a̵b̵l̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵g̵e̵t̵ ̵r̵e̵a̵l̵ ̵m̵o̵n̵e̵y̵ ̵f̵r̵o̵m̵ ̵t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵c̵u̵r̵r̵e̵n̵c̵y̵,̵ ̵t̵h̵o̵u̵g̵h̵.̵ FTFY 17:38 rdococ rubenwardy: In all seriousness, an ingame currency wouldn't be too bad (as long as you can't use real money to get it). 17:39 rubenwardy you'll be able to get 50 gems for sharing Minetest CTF™ to your friends on Facebook 17:40 rdococ wot 17:40 rubenwardy make sure to agree to our EULA though ctf.rubenwardy.com/eula 17:40 rubenwardy don't read it however 17:41 rubenwardy I missed an opportunity by not redirecting /store to rickroll :/ 17:42 Krock is the EULA even a valid document for the law? I thought it wasn't 17:43 rubenwardy It's been struck down before, as no one reads them 17:45 Calinou Never Gonna Buy You Gems 17:45 KaadmY Never Gonna Let IAP Down 17:46 rubenwardy back to seriousness, any suggestions appreciated for increasing strategy, fun, and game length 17:46 Krock Never gonna run proprietary apps right here 17:47 Krock *looks on recent words list 17:48 Krock "let you down" "im Stich lassen" are you kidding me, Reality? 17:52 Krock rubenwardy, for the part of (rick)rolling: https://i.redd.it/de2eczrgvbwz.jpg 18:21 lisac hey coredevs and other MT people: what do you think about the prospect of advertisements in minetest? 18:21 lisac server-side ones? 18:21 lisac like, ability for server to have ads. 18:22 lisac which client sees. 18:22 lisac it would help with server funding. 18:22 Calinou it's allowed 18:22 lisac yeah, but is it encouraged? 18:22 Calinou also, who would buy ads on your server? 18:22 rubenwardy ^ 18:22 Calinou no, it's not encouraged 18:22 lisac it's more of an idea 18:22 Calinou (we're not TF2) 18:22 Calinou (:P) 18:22 lisac with servers having constant 40 players, ads might become a reality. :P 18:23 Raven262 Wanna play some tf2 Calinou? 18:23 lisac y that too 18:23 rubenwardy CTF if at 52 players currently 18:24 lisac rubenwardy, I'm pretty sure mobile app devs would gladly pay for an ad for their game 18:24 lisac it's the exact audience: young kids on android phones. 18:25 Calinou Raven262: not right now, I just played some CTF 18:25 Calinou (on TF2, that is) 18:25 Calinou (but also on Minetest) 18:25 Calinou (CTF is love, CTF is life) 18:29 sfan5 rubenwardy: you have no_guests on ctf correct? 18:29 rubenwardy yes 18:29 rubenwardy I often get Adam123asknasaskb though 18:31 sfan5 aw 18:31 sfan5 i thought you were protecting the other servers from all the mobile players 18:31 rubenwardy hehe 18:32 rubenwardy I basically am tbh 18:32 rubenwardy also, that's a strange way to spell "cannon fodder" 18:34 Calinou yeah, gotta earn some points 18:34 Calinou and more wooden swords 18:35 rubenwardy you could get a lot of wooden swords 19:16 Megaf Little fonts are little https://i.imgur.com/6Y9rt13.png 19:17 Megaf Krock, Building mt server with system json and system gmp, lets see if will link or not 19:17 Krock no, your screen is too big, Megaf 19:18 Megaf Krock, that's 1280x800@13" 19:18 Megaf well, not 1280x800, a little lower resolution so save some MB of VRAM 19:20 Krock if you have an LCD you should ensure it's either 1/2 the size or the full resolution. Otherwise some pixels may look a bit blurry. Don't now if that's still a big issue but side-effects will occur 19:20 Megaf I'm using native resolution tho, there's a little black border around my screen 19:20 Krock ah, good. 19:20 Megaf so the smaller resolution is actually centered and not scaled 19:20 Megaf it's 1cm or so border 19:21 Megaf nativve resolution is 1280x800 and Im using 1230x768 19:22 Megaf Could go a bit lower tho 19:22 Krock 640x480 19:23 Megaf Krock, https://i.imgur.com/1vFt14n.png 19:23 Megaf :P 19:25 Krock works. 19:25 Megaf 1280x720 now, looks good 19:25 Megaf just two 2cm wide borders, at top and bottom 19:26 Megaf I wish I could push my LCD at higher refresh rate since resolution is smaller 19:32 Megaf well, no segfaults this time 19:32 Megaf and build with system json finsihed fine 20:19 Jordach >2909 of 5201 songs 20:19 Jordach eeeee 20:47 Calinou Megaf, Jordach: I ordered a 2nd 32" 1440p monitor by the way :P 20:47 Calinou I should have it tomorrow 20:47 Calinou (it's the same as the one I bought last year) 21:29 Megaf Calinou, heh, order another one and send to my address please 21:31 Megaf Megaf Server might be coming back today, hopefully 22:14 Megaf Thinking about installing 0ad 22:14 Megaf Anyone up for a round? 22:15 Megaf Calinou, Jordach, you guys have 0ad there? 22:15 Calinou yes 22:15 Calinou not the latest, though 22:17 Megaf Installing 0.0.22 here 22:17 Megaf That's the one in Debian Buster repos 22:17 Calinou yes, it's the latest alpha 22:17 Calinou (Debian is up-to-date? PARTY!) 22:17 Calinou (happens once in a blue moon, though) 22:17 Megaf well, it's Buster/Sid 22:17 Calinou oh, right 22:17 Megaf so yeah 22:18 Calinou the Windows installer is 635 MB 22:18 Megaf Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 0ad-data all 0.0.22-1 [640 MB] 22:18 Megaf 25% [1 0ad-data 207 MB/640 MB 32%] 22:18 Calinou takes 7 minutes to download here 22:18 Calinou I remember when, five years ago, it'd take 35 minutes to download here :) 22:18 Calinou I had 250 KB/s download until October 2012 22:18 Calinou then I got 400 KB/s 22:19 Calinou (I don't know why) 22:19 Megaf 2,413 kB/s 2min 36s 22:19 Calinou I had 500 KB/s at most, in my old house 22:19 Calinou in this new house (moved in March 2015), I always had 1.3 MB/s 22:19 Calinou and 0.1 MB/s upload 22:19 Calinou (megabytes, that is) 22:22 Megaf Ok, download finished, installing 22:39 Calinou Megaf: finished installing here 22:39 Calinou however, I'm going for sleep soon 22:39 Calinou so we'll play later 22:39 Calinou my account works :) 22:39 Calinou (in multiplayer) 22:40 Megaf Calinou, I'm not playing today either 22:40 Megaf For the same reason 23:09 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/pyrogenesis_2017-11-06_23-42-16.png 23:09 Calinou Megaf: I saw myself in French translation credits of 0 .A.D. :D 23:58 Megaf LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzeN7AhdJBk 23:59 Megaf Calinou, hah