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00:02 Fixer rubenwardy: is there player balancing?
00:02 rubenwardy no currently
00:02 rubenwardy on my to do list
00:03 Fixer rubenwardy: it should also work when someone is afk kicked, probably
00:03 rubenwardy not too hard to do, just requires sorting the player list by score before auto allocated
00:03 rubenwardy well
00:03 rubenwardy meh
00:04 rubenwardy what happens if there is a new player that is really good?
00:04 rubenwardy and it's bad to have no randomness
00:05 rubenwardy it's probably better to completely randomly allocate, then swap the a random top X player on the better team with the a random bottom X player on the other team until within a certain % difference or 3 swaps
00:05 rubenwardy that's probably overly complex though, and may not work as well as I hope
00:13 Fixer *,,,,,*
00:39 Fixer good night
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10:27 Calinou hi
10:28 jas_ hi Calinou, do you want to try a jump?
10:28 Calinou a jump?
10:29 jas_ ye, on my server.  i dunno haha lol i thought you might
10:29 Calinou where?
10:30 jas_ dcbl.duckdns.org:30000
10:30 jas_ 0.5.0 client
10:30 jas_ i might have to stop streaming
10:30 jas_ you might just time out lol
10:31 CWz can anyone help me with get_physics_override
10:31 jas_ maybe, it's a table.  has specific entries, i think.
10:31 jas_ like new_move=bool
10:32 Calinou I don't have a 0.5 client at hand, and I need to go soon
10:33 jas_ speed, jump, are some other ones.  i think it's all listed in lua_api.txt
10:33 jas_ okie dokie, nvm then :)
10:33 jas_ there's a simple jump outside spawn
10:33 jas_ two stone pillars
10:33 jas_ easy to hard in a simple structure
10:35 Calinou rubenwardy: on CTF, the blue font is a bit hard to read (it's too saturated)
10:35 Calinou same for the red font (but not as much)
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12:07 rubenwardy you choose the color :D
12:07 rubenwardy also, the CTF server just breached 40 players
12:07 rubenwardy although down now
12:08 rubenwardy *dropped again
12:08 rubenwardy oh, my graph is wrong. Serverlist says 38
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12:30 rubenwardy my graph gets player number every 15 seconds, so is probably more accurate
12:31 IhrFussel Server list only refreshes every 5 minutes so player count is very inaccurate there
12:32 IhrFussel I wonder if 5 minutes is really necessary...servers should send their status more often...I mean it's less than 1 KB
12:52 sfan5 ideally the client would query this on its own
12:52 sfan5 which would also allow determing ping
13:07 Calinou yeah
13:07 Calinou that's what all other games do :P
13:08 Calinou IhrFussel: server heartbeats could be sent faster indeed, ask sfan5 about it
13:08 Calinou (if it's ok to decrease it to 1 minute, for example)
13:08 Calinou this would mean that servers shutting down would disappear sooner, too
13:08 Calinou (like, 3 minutes)
13:15 rubenwardy 700 requests whilst scrolling? No thanks
13:15 rubenwardy 700 requests at start up? even worse
13:15 rubenwardy oops
13:15 rubenwardy wrong way round, 240 is still pretty bad
13:16 rubenwardy plus there's no possibility for HTTP/2
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13:26 rubenwardy am I being an idiot - what's the command for a normal user to set their password in a non-srp way?
13:26 rubenwardy for IRC
13:27 rubenwardy quality nicks: uuuusjjsjsjxjjd
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14:42 sfan5 Calinou: when servers shut down they are supposed to send a "stop" event to the server list anyway
14:42 sfan5 rubenwardy: isn't that /setpassword ?
14:42 rubenwardy requires the password priv, so no :/
14:43 rubenwardy probably should only require the priv if the user is not the caller
14:44 sfan5 hm not really needed, there's a password change gui for a reason
14:47 rubenwardy does that remove SRP though?
14:47 rubenwardy tbh, the irc commands mod should just add SRP support
14:48 sfan5 the pw change gui should have been revised to support srp at the time it was added
14:48 rubenwardy ?>
14:49 sfan5 ?
14:50 rubenwardy do you mean that the pw change GUI does support SRP, or that it doesn't?
14:50 sfan5 i don't know whether it does, i'm saying it should
14:52 rubenwardy I thought it did, I remember there being discussion of mid-game SRP stuff for that
14:54 rubenwardy well, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/​minetest-irc_commands/issues/6
14:54 rubenwardy !title
14:54 ShadowBot Add SRP support · Issue #6 · ShadowNinja/minetest-irc_commands · GitHub
14:55 sfan5 that completely compromises the security of srp though
14:55 rubenwardy well, it's as good as a normal hashed password
14:59 rubenwardy ah, it does support SRP
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14:59 rubenwardy it didn't after it was first iintroduced
14:59 rubenwardy it meaning irc commands
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15:37 Jordach mfw my phone can run brutal doom r20 at QHD+ without stopping
15:38 Jordach also
15:38 Jordach new phone, who dis
15:39 Jordach hint: it's not a crapdrag 835
15:42 rubenwardy oh wow, your phone can run doom
15:42 rubenwardy that narrows it down
16:06 Calinou <rubenwardy> 700 requests whilst scrolling? No thanks
16:06 Calinou you do realize most games do that just fine?
16:06 Calinou it's not a problem, even on slow ADSL or 4G
16:07 rubenwardy I have a 200Mbps connection, and my server is 100Mbps. It took 1:30 to load 100ish assets
16:08 rubenwardy I guess maybe it's biased as that's to one server
16:08 rubenwardy and is routed through a proxy and docker
16:08 Calinou a direct request does not use HTTP
16:08 Calinou HTTP is dog slow :P
16:08 rubenwardy JSON is HTTP, I guess you could UDP though
16:08 Calinou yep
16:08 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/ezquak​e_server_browser_settings.png
16:08 Calinou these are the default ezQuake server browser settings
16:09 Calinou as you can see, 200 pings are sent by seconds (only 1 try, but if you set more tries, you get a more accurate ping value; Xonotic defaults to 3 tries)
16:09 Calinou and 200 info requests (an "info" contains the player list, current map/mode, etc)
16:09 Calinou there's 352 servers in the list right now, too
16:09 Calinou (and a secondary master, which is also enabled, has 300 servers on it)
16:13 Jordach rubenwardy, it's a 2017 6.3" monster
16:13 rubenwardy 6.3"????
16:13 Jordach it also scores at the top of geekbench
16:13 Calinou my S7 edge runs GZDoom fine at QHD
16:13 Calinou but I play in 854×480 because the HUD is larger that way
16:14 rubenwardy I have an S7 edge too
16:15 * Calinou high fives rubenwardy
16:15 Calinou except it's really unfriendly to custom ROMs :(
16:15 Calinou (like, the camera becomes shit)
16:15 * Jordach laughs in Galaxy Note 8
16:15 Calinou so much for "Samsung Open Source"
16:15 Jordach it's always samsung knox
16:16 Jordach *trust me on this*
16:16 Jordach Calinou, https://i.imgur.com/5nmgaSH.jpg
16:17 Jordach my x360 controller works just fine
16:17 Calinou Jordach: which source port does it run?
16:17 rubenwardy > discord
16:17 Jordach https://github.com/nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android/
16:17 Calinou if that was Zandronum, we could play multiplayer
16:17 Calinou :D
16:17 Calinou oh yeah, I use that one too
16:18 Jordach retroarch's PrBoom literally doesn't work on Exynos
16:18 Jordach reeeeeeee
16:18 Calinou yeah, GZDoom is better anyway
16:18 Calinou although the Android port isn't on GZDoom 3 yet
16:18 Calinou (the first GPL release)
16:18 Calinou (yes, it took 16 years for the Doom community to have a GPL-compatible ZDoom-based port)
16:18 Jordach >nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android is licensed under the GNU General Public License v2.0
16:18 Jordach :thinking:
16:19 Calinou the port's code is GPLv2
16:19 Calinou but GZDoom < 3.0.0 is under the Doom Source License as a whole
16:19 Calinou and 3.0.0 and later are GPLv3
16:19 Jordach v2 and v3 are next to each other in GH
16:19 Calinou (this led to the removal of FMOD support, by the way)
16:20 Jordach Calinou, finally found a phone that can drive my frigging AKG Studio Monitors
16:22 Jordach my OTG cable can power the wireless adapter for the x360 controller
16:22 Jordach shame the native android drivers aren't properly mapped correctly
16:25 Jordach Calinou, also, Virgin Media gave me a speed boost
16:25 Jordach http://www.speedtest.net/result/6698369411.png
16:31 Fixer Jordach: Chad Media
16:32 Fixer on the other hand my virgin ISP is fucking piece of shit
16:32 Fixer no speed bumps
16:32 Jordach Fixer, but i'm a chad nao
16:32 Fixer only price bumps
16:32 Jordach i've got a job :^)
16:32 Fixer very noice
16:33 Jordach mfw my Galaxy Note 8 didn't require an upfront cost due to me having an existing contract
16:33 Jordach :^)
16:33 Jordach didn't get stung with paying for ending the contract early
16:33 Fixer nobody cares about those toys
16:34 Jordach Fixer, tfw IT requires me to note practically everything
16:34 rdococ Fixer: my ISP is also shit, only instead of price bumps I get disconnection bumps quite often
16:34 Fixer okay
16:34 rdococ I don't care how virgin is increasing the prices of their broadband, I'd do anything to go back to it
16:35 Jordach ...get a job that isn't starbucks / Macca's?
16:35 Fixer rdococ: when i said virgin, i said in meme meaning
16:35 Fixer i don't have virgin but ISP that was previously gov monopoly (probably still is)
16:36 * Jordach looks at British Telecoms
16:36 Jordach hmmmmm
16:36 rdococ oh
16:37 Jordach >30GB at 15mbps up
16:37 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/t4DB78A.png kill me
16:38 Jordach FLAC files ain't going there, hell no
16:38 sfan5 >upload music to le cloud
16:38 sfan5 unless it's your own then it's fine
16:38 Jordach >has 128GB uSD card dedicated to the hi-res walkman
16:39 Fixer sfan5: but but it iS SCLSODASIDHAS_CLOUD
16:39 Jordach consdering i threw spotify in the trash a while back
16:39 Fixer sfan5: We NEED YOUR DATA_
16:39 Jordach secondly
16:39 Jordach plex is a joke :&)
16:39 Jordach :^)
16:39 Fixer also, WE NEED YOUR MONEY
16:39 Fixer a bit later though
16:40 Fixer with prices of 1TB HDD per year
16:40 Fixer thanks, but no
16:41 Jordach Fixer, not everyone has upload capacity
16:41 Fixer yep
16:41 Jordach considering i can't even hit 2mbps up during the day
16:41 Fixer usually it is some shitty
16:41 Fixer yep
16:41 Jordach it's currently worth it for GPlay
16:41 Fixer even my shitty ISP has more UP than you
16:42 Jordach i mean, £15/mo for GPlay or £25/mo for a dedi server with 250GB
16:42 Fixer noice
16:42 Jordach one of them is technically worth it
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16:42 Jordach i've taken to the mindset of keeping things minimal at this point
16:43 Jordach makes it easier than using hundreds of dollar services
16:47 Jordach makes it a breeze to inventorize active services that i pay for
16:48 Fixer kinda sad, that even street whore has access to our data
16:49 Jordach noticed that all of the pre web 1.0 bubble companies survived are gigantic now?
16:49 Jordach what did they do then? big data
16:49 Jordach what do they do now?
16:49 rdococ big money
16:50 Jordach i have the feeling that government contracts made many hunt for them
16:50 Jordach you know how overblown their costs are for something simple
16:50 * Jordach points to the ACA rollout
16:54 rdococ hm
16:55 rdococ so minetest.register_privilege("frcoin", {description = "Allow a player administrative control over the R-Coin system"}) would not give it to singleplayer, but *only* supplying the description as a string (without the 'table of properties') would?
16:55 rdococ if so, that's interesting
16:57 rubenwardy #minetest-edu
16:57 rubenwardy will probably be dead for the next week as coursework
16:59 Fixer there is minetest-edu?
17:02 rdococ wat
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17:08 Jordach bloody hell it's dark right now
17:08 Fixer "Intel will ship processors with integrated AMD graphics and memory" :D
17:09 Jordach Intel BTFO permanently
17:10 rdococ welcome to the country where bloody is a bloody swear word
17:10 Fixer "Fake WhatsApp App Downloaded 1 Million Times" NOIIIIIIIIICE
17:10 Fixer more devastation
17:11 Fixer we need more
17:11 rubenwardy you know why that is, rdococ?
17:11 rubenwardy because it's always bloody wet
17:11 rdococ lol
17:11 rdococ I like using the word 'bloody' sometimes because it lets me get across intense emotions such as anger without "swearing" in the eyes of Americans
17:12 rdococ of course, I still chuckle as the feeble humans argue over which combinations of sounds should not be emitted despite the lack of actual targeted malicious intent in them
17:22 IhrFussel I let the mod profiler run for 2 days now and try to optimize whatever mods cause large lag spikes... and I noticed switching from files to player attributes in certain mods does wonders
17:29 rdococ I ended up using mod storage in the R-Coin mod because I don't think player attributes are in 0.4.16.
17:29 rubenwardy I swear it is?
17:29 rubenwardy hmm
17:30 rubenwardy I can't use player attributes as the player SQLite database is ssssssllllooooowwww
17:30 rubenwardy rdococ, is is: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/0.4.16/doc/lua_api.txt#L3223
17:30 rubenwardy player attributes are in 0.4.16 :P
17:32 rdococ oh
17:32 rdococ lol
17:32 rdococ eh, too lazy to rewrite it to use player attributes
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17:33 rubenwardy So, you know how losing your items on CTF is very annoying?
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17:33 rubenwardy on the next update, there will be gems
17:34 rubenwardy gems can be used to recover your weapons after a death, or to buy weapons
17:34 Calinou in-app purchases? :D
17:34 Calinou $0.99 per gem
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17:34 rubenwardy you can get 100 gems for £5 from rubenwardy.com/store
17:34 Calinou haha
17:34 Calinou I was right
17:34 Krock 404
17:34 Calinou you're going to be rich :^)
17:34 rubenwardy ikr
17:34 Calinou be prepared to make Minetest CTF Saga
17:34 rdococ ooh
17:34 Calinou and Flappy Sam
17:34 rdococ wait what
17:34 rubenwardy Minetest needs an IAP API for Android
17:35 rdococ I hope that isn't serious, lol
17:35 rubenwardy would make more job easier
17:35 rubenwardy *my
17:35 Calinou thing is, Google Play Services is proprietary
17:35 Calinou so linking it with Minetest is not possible
17:35 Calinou and I'm quite sure IAPs go through the GPS
17:35 rubenwardy people use ads all the time
17:35 rubenwardy rdococ, totally
17:35 rdococ rubenwardy: I wouldn't mind an ingame currency for CTF as long as you can't buy it for real money.
17:35 Calinou it also woudln't work with the F-Droid version, for obvious reasons
17:35 Calinou wouldn't*
17:35 rubenwardy you can also kill one player of your choice per round immediately for 50 gems
17:35 rdococ <strikethrough>I wouldn't mind being able to get real money from that currency, though.</strikethrough>
17:36 rdococ Immediately? but then they'll just respawn
17:36 rubenwardy that's why it's only 50p
17:36 rubenwardy a bargin!
17:36 rdococ ...
17:37 rubenwardy for 20 gems you'll be able to change your skin to any in our large collectioj
17:37 Krock I̵ ̵w̵o̵u̵l̵d̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵m̵i̵n̵d̵ ̵b̵e̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵a̵b̵l̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵g̵e̵t̵ ̵r̵e̵a̵l̵ ̵m̵o̵n̵e̵y̵ ̵f̵r̵o̵m̵ ̵t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵c̵u̵r̵r̵e̵n̵c̵y̵,̵ ̵t̵h̵o̵u̵g̵h̵.̵  FTFY
17:38 rdococ rubenwardy: In all seriousness, an ingame currency wouldn't be too bad (as long as you can't use real money to get it).
17:39 rubenwardy you'll be able to get 50 gems for sharing Minetest CTF™ to your friends on Facebook
17:40 rdococ wot
17:40 rubenwardy make sure to agree to our EULA though   ctf.rubenwardy.com/eula
17:40 rubenwardy don't read it however
17:41 rubenwardy I missed an opportunity by not redirecting /store to rickroll :/
17:42 Krock is the EULA even a valid document for the law? I thought it wasn't
17:43 rubenwardy It's been struck down before, as no one reads them
17:45 Calinou Never Gonna Buy You Gems
17:45 KaadmY Never Gonna Let IAP Down
17:46 rubenwardy back to seriousness, any suggestions appreciated for increasing strategy, fun, and game length
17:46 Krock Never gonna run proprietary apps right here
17:47 Krock *looks on recent words list
17:48 Krock "let you down" "im Stich lassen" are you kidding me, Reality?
17:52 Krock rubenwardy, for the part of (rick)rolling: https://i.redd.it/de2eczrgvbwz.jpg
18:21 lisac hey coredevs and other MT people: what do you think about the prospect of advertisements in minetest?
18:21 lisac server-side ones?
18:21 lisac like, ability for server to have ads.
18:22 lisac which client sees.
18:22 lisac it would help with server funding.
18:22 Calinou it's allowed
18:22 lisac yeah, but is it encouraged?
18:22 Calinou also, who would buy ads on your server?
18:22 rubenwardy ^
18:22 Calinou no, it's not encouraged
18:22 lisac it's more of an idea
18:22 Calinou (we're not TF2)
18:22 Calinou (:P)
18:22 lisac with servers having constant 40 players, ads might become a reality. :P
18:23 Raven262 Wanna play some tf2 Calinou?
18:23 lisac y that too
18:23 rubenwardy CTF if at 52 players currently
18:24 lisac rubenwardy, I'm pretty sure mobile app devs would gladly pay for an ad for their game
18:24 lisac it's the exact audience: young kids on android phones.
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18:25 Calinou Raven262: not right now, I just played some CTF
18:25 Calinou (on TF2, that is)
18:25 Calinou (but also on Minetest)
18:25 Calinou (CTF is love, CTF is life)
18:29 sfan5 rubenwardy: you have no_guests on ctf correct?
18:29 rubenwardy yes
18:29 rubenwardy I often get     Adam123asknasaskb    though
18:31 sfan5 aw
18:31 sfan5 i thought you were protecting the other servers from all the mobile players
18:31 rubenwardy hehe
18:32 rubenwardy I basically am tbh
18:32 rubenwardy also, that's a strange way to spell "cannon fodder"
18:34 Calinou yeah, gotta earn some points
18:34 Calinou and more wooden swords
18:35 rubenwardy you could get a lot of wooden swords
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19:16 Megaf Little fonts are little https://i.imgur.com/6Y9rt13.png
19:17 Megaf Krock, Building mt server with system json and system gmp, lets see if will link or not
19:17 Krock no, your screen is too big, Megaf
19:18 Megaf Krock, that's 1280x800@13"
19:18 Megaf well, not 1280x800, a little lower resolution so save some MB of VRAM
19:20 Krock if you have an LCD you should ensure it's either 1/2 the size or the full resolution. Otherwise some pixels may look a bit blurry. Don't now if that's still a big issue but side-effects will occur
19:20 Megaf I'm using native resolution tho, there's a little black border around my screen
19:20 Krock ah, good.
19:20 Megaf so the smaller resolution is actually centered and not scaled
19:20 Megaf it's 1cm or so border
19:21 Megaf nativve resolution is 1280x800 and Im using 1230x768
19:22 Megaf Could go a bit lower tho
19:22 Krock 640x480
19:23 Megaf Krock, https://i.imgur.com/1vFt14n.png
19:23 Megaf :P
19:25 Krock works.
19:25 Megaf 1280x720 now, looks good
19:25 Megaf just two 2cm wide borders, at top and bottom
19:26 Megaf I wish I could push my LCD at higher refresh rate since resolution is smaller
19:32 Megaf well, no segfaults this time
19:32 Megaf and build with system json finsihed fine
20:19 Jordach >2909 of 5201 songs
20:19 Jordach eeeee
20:47 Calinou Megaf, Jordach: I ordered a 2nd 32" 1440p monitor by the way :P
20:47 Calinou I should have it tomorrow
20:47 Calinou (it's the same as the one I bought last year)
21:29 Megaf Calinou, heh, order another one and send to my address please
21:31 Megaf Megaf Server might be coming back today, hopefully
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22:14 Megaf Thinking about installing 0ad
22:14 Megaf Anyone up for a round?
22:15 Megaf Calinou, Jordach, you guys have 0ad there?
22:15 Calinou yes
22:15 Calinou not the latest, though
22:17 Megaf Installing 0.0.22 here
22:17 Megaf That's the one in Debian Buster repos
22:17 Calinou yes, it's the latest alpha
22:17 Calinou (Debian is up-to-date? PARTY!)
22:17 Calinou (happens once in a blue moon, though)
22:17 Megaf well, it's Buster/Sid
22:17 Calinou oh, right
22:17 Megaf so yeah
22:18 Calinou the Windows installer is 635 MB
22:18 Megaf Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 0ad-data all 0.0.22-1 [640 MB]
22:18 Megaf 25% [1 0ad-data 207 MB/640 MB 32%]
22:18 Calinou takes 7 minutes to download here
22:18 Calinou I remember when, five years ago, it'd take 35 minutes to download here :)
22:18 Calinou I had 250 KB/s download until October 2012
22:18 Calinou then I got 400 KB/s
22:19 Calinou (I don't know why)
22:19 Megaf 2,413 kB/s 2min 36s
22:19 Calinou I had 500 KB/s at most, in my old house
22:19 Calinou in this new house (moved in March 2015), I always had 1.3 MB/s
22:19 Calinou and 0.1 MB/s upload
22:19 Calinou (megabytes, that is)
22:22 Megaf Ok, download finished, installing
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22:39 Calinou Megaf: finished installing here
22:39 Calinou however, I'm going for sleep soon
22:39 Calinou so we'll play later
22:39 Calinou my account works :)
22:39 Calinou (in multiplayer)
22:40 Megaf Calinou, I'm not playing today either
22:40 Megaf For the same reason
23:09 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/pyroge​nesis_2017-11-06_23-42-16.png
23:09 Calinou Megaf: I saw myself in French translation credits of 0 .A.D. :D
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23:58 Megaf LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzeN7AhdJBk
23:59 Megaf Calinou, hah

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