Time  Nick       Message
00:54 Natechip   rubenwardy nice
14:01 IhrFussel  Does minetest.set_node() call the on_place callback of the node?
14:01 jas_       everything, i think.
14:01 sfan5      you mean on_construct
14:02 IhrFussel  I mean will set_node/swap_node call minetest.register_on_placenode(function(pos, newnode, placer) ?
14:02 jas_       and/or maybe after_place_node
14:02 jas_       that's for players, methinks.
14:03 jas_       (or whatever objectref 'placer' is?)
14:04 IhrFussel  jas_, that's what I hope since I want a certain node remove as soon as a player tries to place it but still allow it via WE
14:04 jas_       using that method is discouraged in lua_api.txt
14:05 jas_       i might try on_construct or after_place_node
14:05 jas_       probably not after_place_node
14:05 sfan5      IhrFussel: even if it does you can just check placer:is_player()
14:07 IhrFussel  I don't see why it's discouraged...what if I just want to remove certain nodes inside certain positions? I will definitely not add a on_construct callbacl to each of them
14:08 jas_       this method is more for protection mods i guess
14:08 jas_       there are multiple ways to skin a cat
14:08 jas_       but if it's between only these two - there might be more - and your way works them who am i to say?
14:08 jas_       i still have to figure out how to do mod profiling
14:09 sfan5      register_on_placenode is not just for protection mods
14:09 IhrFussel  sfan5, I'll do that in case set_node really runs that callback
14:09 sfan5      is_protected however is
14:09 sfan5      IhrFussel: set_node might, but WE's //set uses vmanips anyway which are definitely don't
14:10 jas_       that's how i imagined it, as a more general, or global method that specialized mods would utilize, and per the doc i tried to use node def callbacks
14:10 jas_       is there a reason why the use of that method is discouraged?  i better look, it's been a bit
14:10 IhrFussel  sfan5, lua api says "**Not recommended**; use `on_construct` or `after_place_node` in node definition" though ... but that's a cumbersome work if you just want to disallow a various nodes in certain areas
14:11 sfan5      oh right
14:11 jas_       lua_api.txt: **Not recommended**; use `on_construct` or `after_place_node` in node definition whenever possible
14:11 jas_       oh shoot sorry
14:11 sfan5      you have no other choice though
14:11 sfan5      on_place_node can't be used to prevent placement
14:13 IhrFussel  This is easier than adding a callback to each node https://pastebin.com/Ppb0USSR
14:14 sfan5      you forgot to give the player his item back
14:14 sfan5      and what if previous on_placenode callbacks had side-effects?
14:14 jas_       yeah that's the only reason i can think -- the order of things between mods
14:14 IhrFussel  That was an example code, my actual code is a bit longer
14:17 IhrFussel  In my case it is a walkable, unbreakable light node above the player's head that's never supposed to be placed...some players seem to have found a way to drop those with falling nodes
14:18 Krock      what if you define `on_place` in the node definition?
14:18 IhrFussel  I mean 1 of the cases is that...another case is that I don't want my lucky block arena spammed with all kinds of blocks so I only allow a few nodes inside the area
14:18 Krock      then you could abuse is_protected, which definitely will work
14:19 Krock      work, as in placement prevention for all nodes. but if you want to allow certain nodes, then that's a suboptimal suggestion
14:20 IhrFussel  With ~ 1,900 nodes I will definitely not go into each definition an add a callback for a certain radius ... in such cases the register_on_placenode() callback is perfect
14:22 Krock      overwriting minetest.item_place is a possibility too. return the itemstack if it shall not be allowed - ensures that no node is ever placed or replaced
14:23 Krock      ^ IMO better than on_placenode with a remove_node() call
14:27 shivajiva  I agree Krock
14:28 Krock      o/
14:28 shivajiva  o/
14:29 IhrFussel  Krock, is it basically just a register_on_* function?
14:30 Krock      IhrFussel, no, it's is_protected with the itemstack and pointed_thing given
14:30 Krock      https://github.com/Bremaweb/landrush/blob/master/protection.lua#L155 as an example
16:33 Megaf      Anyone playing Terasology?
16:33 Megaf      I'm joining the official unstable server right now
16:38 Megaf      Ok, Official Unstable is not working, stable seems fine
16:39 Megaf      I running the game directly with Java. /path/to/bin/java -jar /path/to/game.jar
16:45 Megaf      Nevermind, lets just play Mientest, its much betta
16:46 rubenwardy yay
17:06 IhrFussel  Minetest is what you make it... I am turning my server into a MMO-esque survival server
17:07 benrob0329 And I'm planning a steampunk series with a few other people
17:07 rubenwardy I'd love to see that
17:09 benrob0329 Customized gamemode is the plan
17:10 benrob0329 Anyone who knows of a good steampunk texture pack...
17:11 Megaf      "Don't Worry, We All Forget Things
17:11 Megaf      I forgot my keys yesterday. Enter your email and we'll send you a reset link
17:11 Megaf      "
17:11 Megaf      Nice recover password message
17:41 IhrFussel  Found a nice 404 page https://www.kualo.co.uk/404
17:53 lisac      YAY ITS WEEKEND
17:54 lisac      Megaf, I find terasology to be extremely bad performance-wise.
18:02 Calinou    it is, but it is pretty bloated overall
18:02 Calinou    I rarely complain about software bloat, but some softwares just take it to an extreme :P
18:03 sfan5      e l e c t r o n
18:07 lisac      https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/793tqf/you_have_declared_independence_but_do_not_grant/
18:07 lisac      sfan5, I noticed Atom is getting slower and slower.
18:07 sfan5      that's why i use gedit
18:08 lisac      https://www.reddit.com/r/politicalprequelmemes/comments/793wtt/spanish_senate_invokes_article_155/
18:08 lisac      I should switch to vim
18:08 lisac      probably after I finish linking latest SW memes.
18:10 Calinou    VSCode is much faster than Atom
18:10 Calinou    Atom got better performance lately, but is still slower
18:10 lisac      VSCode? Is that... legal?
18:10 lisac      *linux native
18:10 lisac      I had to add a prequel reference, though
18:10 lisac      I've done nothing but browse r/prequelmemes for the whole day
18:11 lisac      oh, VSCode is visual studio
18:11 lisac      it's actually a full IDE
18:11 lisac      how can it be faster then atom?
18:12 lisac      oh VSCode is linux native.
18:13 lisac      Calinou, what text editor do you use for Lua?
18:13 lisac      https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/793s64/everyone_in_the_spanish_government_now_that/
18:13 * lisac    stops posting prequelmemes.
18:19 Calinou    lisac: VSCode
18:19 lisac      hmm
18:19 Calinou    it's just an edtior, not an IDE (like Atom)
18:19 lisac      atom just got an ide packet
18:19 Calinou    it can still do a lot of things
18:19 lisac      atom-ide
18:19 lisac      I'd rather learn vim
18:19 lisac      I heard it's nice.
18:20 benrob0329 lisac: vim is bae
18:20 benrob0329 hjkl ALL the things!
18:20 lisac      hmm https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bae
18:21 lisac      I played a lot of nethack
18:21 lisac      should help.
18:21 Calinou    DEFEND THE BAE
18:21 Calinou    AND GET THE FLAG
18:22 lisac      and the new contract update, Calinou: https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/7921kj/literally_every_map_contract/
18:22 Megaf      lisac, It's shaders are quite awesome and impressive
18:22 Megaf      yet practically useless
18:23 lisac      Megaf, vims?
18:23 lisac      oh, terasology
18:23 lisac      I was confused for a moment there
18:23 lisac      and it's also in java.
18:23 benrob0329 Vim with shaders, i'd pay to see that
18:25 lisac      I'm sure there is an emacs command for it
18:25 lisac      https://xkcd.com/378/
18:25 lisac      oh well https://www.reddit.com/r/dontdeadopeninside/comments/78z6sf/john_f_kennedy_killed_by_wikipedia/
18:26 benrob0329 lisac: there is actually an M-x butterfly command
18:26 benrob0329 Its a joke, but still
18:27 Megaf      Hah! that xkcd
18:27 lisac      http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/misc.el#n110
19:05 Megaf      Oh boy, I miss the good old Opera Browser, with built in Web Server, IRC, EMail Client, RSS reader, Torrent Downloader, full customization, Widgets, all that being 1/10 of the size of a now a days web browser and much faster
19:37 lisac      Megaf, maybe you should come to Serbia
19:37 lisac      90% of computers use outdated opera browser here
19:37 Raven262   They do?
19:37 Raven262   I thought IE was still in use here.
19:38 Raven262   At least on WinXp computers.
19:38 benrob0329 IE is still in ues everywhere
19:38 benrob0329 unfortunately
19:45 Megaf      lisac, give me a decent job with decent salary and a Visa and I go
19:46 Megaf      The thing is, there's still nothing even remotely close to what Opera used to be
19:46 Megaf      Maybe SeaMonkey with plenty of addons
19:47 lisac      Megaf, I don't think you need a Visa
19:47 lisac      as for the job, you could probably invest into the ruling party
19:47 lisac      and get a well-paying do-nothing job
19:48 Megaf      lisac, I'm Brazilian, I think I do
19:49 lisac      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Brazilian_citizens#/media/File:Visa_requirements_for_Brazilian_citizens.png
19:49 lisac      nope, visa-free
19:50 lisac      we only require visas from Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Serbia#/media/File:Visa_policy_of_Serbia.png
19:50 lisac      and some asia, alright.
19:52 Megaf      lisac, I can stay 90 days in Serbia without visa, not work nor live
19:52 lisac      well, I guess you could add 20% more to your ruling party bribe for a visa
19:52 Megaf      Brazilian don't need Visa almost everywhere.
19:53 lisac      yay I can visit Brazil
19:53 lisac      no visas to there
19:53 lisac      or russia.
19:53 lisac      Guess that works, too
21:21 IhrFussel  Did someone report that bug yet? Falling nodes can make unbreakable nodes drop themselves if the falling node's height matches the one of the unbreakable one
21:22 IhrFussel  Basically if you have an unbreakable node above your head an you are standing against a wall the unbreakable node will drop when you let several nodes fall so that they stack until they reach the unbreakable one and it drops just like any other item
21:23 IhrFussel  It doesn't need to be above your head it can also just float mid-air against a wall