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14:01 IhrFussel Does minetest.set_node() call the on_place callback of the node?
14:01 jas_ everything, i think.
14:01 sfan5 you mean on_construct
14:02 IhrFussel I mean will set_node/swap_node call minetest.register_on_placenode(function(pos, newnode, placer) ?
14:02 jas_ and/or maybe after_place_node
14:02 jas_ that's for players, methinks.
14:03 jas_ (or whatever objectref 'placer' is?)
14:04 IhrFussel jas_, that's what I hope since I want a certain node remove as soon as a player tries to place it but still allow it via WE
14:04 jas_ using that method is discouraged in lua_api.txt
14:05 jas_ i might try on_construct or after_place_node
14:05 jas_ probably not after_place_node
14:05 sfan5 IhrFussel: even if it does you can just check placer:is_player()
14:07 IhrFussel I don't see why it's discouraged...what if I just want to remove certain nodes inside certain positions? I will definitely not add a on_construct callbacl to each of them
14:08 jas_ this method is more for protection mods i guess
14:08 jas_ there are multiple ways to skin a cat
14:08 jas_ but if it's between only these two - there might be more - and your way works them who am i to say?
14:08 jas_ i still have to figure out how to do mod profiling
14:09 sfan5 register_on_placenode is not just for protection mods
14:09 IhrFussel sfan5, I'll do that in case set_node really runs that callback
14:09 sfan5 is_protected however is
14:09 sfan5 IhrFussel: set_node might, but WE's //set uses vmanips anyway which are definitely don't
14:10 jas_ that's how i imagined it, as a more general, or global method that specialized mods would utilize, and per the doc i tried to use node def callbacks
14:10 jas_ is there a reason why the use of that method is discouraged?  i better look, it's been a bit
14:10 IhrFussel sfan5, lua api says "**Not recommended**; use `on_construct` or `after_place_node` in node definition" though ... but that's a cumbersome work if you just want to disallow a various nodes in certain areas
14:11 sfan5 oh right
14:11 jas_ lua_api.txt: **Not recommended**; use `on_construct` or `after_place_node` in node definition whenever possible
14:11 jas_ oh shoot sorry
14:11 sfan5 you have no other choice though
14:11 sfan5 on_place_node can't be used to prevent placement
14:13 IhrFussel This is easier than adding a callback to each node https://pastebin.com/Ppb0USSR
14:14 sfan5 you forgot to give the player his item back
14:14 sfan5 and what if previous on_placenode callbacks had side-effects?
14:14 jas_ yeah that's the only reason i can think -- the order of things between mods
14:14 IhrFussel That was an example code, my actual code is a bit longer
14:17 IhrFussel In my case it is a walkable, unbreakable light node above the player's head that's never supposed to be placed...some players seem to have found a way to drop those with falling nodes
14:18 Krock what if you define `on_place` in the node definition?
14:18 IhrFussel I mean 1 of the cases is that...another case is that I don't want my lucky block arena spammed with all kinds of blocks so I only allow a few nodes inside the area
14:18 Krock then you could abuse is_protected, which definitely will work
14:19 Krock work, as in placement prevention for all nodes. but if you want to allow certain nodes, then that's a suboptimal suggestion
14:20 IhrFussel With ~ 1,900 nodes I will definitely not go into each definition an add a callback for a certain radius ... in such cases the register_on_placenode() callback is perfect
14:22 Krock overwriting minetest.item_place is a possibility too. return the itemstack if it shall not be allowed - ensures that no node is ever placed or replaced
14:23 Krock ^ IMO better than on_placenode with a remove_node() call
14:27 shivajiva I agree Krock
14:28 Krock o/
14:28 shivajiva o/
14:29 IhrFussel Krock, is it basically just a register_on_* function?
14:30 Krock IhrFussel, no, it's is_protected with the itemstack and pointed_thing given
14:30 Krock https://github.com/Bremaweb/landru​sh/blob/master/protection.lua#L155 as an example
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16:33 Megaf Anyone playing Terasology?
16:33 Megaf I'm joining the official unstable server right now
16:38 Megaf Ok, Official Unstable is not working, stable seems fine
16:39 Megaf I running the game directly with Java. /path/to/bin/java -jar /path/to/game.jar
16:45 Megaf Nevermind, lets just play Mientest, its much betta
16:46 rubenwardy yay
17:06 IhrFussel Minetest is what you make it... I am turning my server into a MMO-esque survival server
17:07 benrob0329 And I'm planning a steampunk series with a few other people
17:07 rubenwardy I'd love to see that
17:09 benrob0329 Customized gamemode is the plan
17:10 benrob0329 Anyone who knows of a good steampunk texture pack...
17:11 Megaf "Don't Worry, We All Forget Things
17:11 Megaf I forgot my keys yesterday. Enter your email and we'll send you a reset link
17:11 Megaf "
17:11 Megaf Nice recover password message
17:41 IhrFussel Found a nice 404 page https://www.kualo.co.uk/404
17:53 lisac YAY ITS WEEKEND
17:54 lisac Megaf, I find terasology to be extremely bad performance-wise.
18:02 Calinou it is, but it is pretty bloated overall
18:02 Calinou I rarely complain about software bloat, but some softwares just take it to an extreme :P
18:03 sfan5 e l e c t r o n
18:07 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMe​mes/comments/793tqf/you_have_decla​red_independence_but_do_not_grant/
18:07 lisac sfan5, I noticed Atom is getting slower and slower.
18:07 sfan5 that's why i use gedit
18:08 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/politicalprequelmemes/co​mments/793wtt/spanish_senate_invokes_article_155/
18:08 lisac I should switch to vim
18:08 lisac probably after I finish linking latest SW memes.
18:10 Calinou VSCode is much faster than Atom
18:10 Calinou Atom got better performance lately, but is still slower
18:10 lisac VSCode? Is that... legal?
18:10 lisac *linux native
18:10 lisac I had to add a prequel reference, though
18:10 lisac I've done nothing but browse r/prequelmemes for the whole day
18:11 lisac oh, VSCode is visual studio
18:11 lisac it's actually a full IDE
18:11 lisac how can it be faster then atom?
18:12 lisac oh VSCode is linux native.
18:13 lisac Calinou, what text editor do you use for Lua?
18:13 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/79​3s64/everyone_in_the_spanish_government_now_that/
18:13 * lisac stops posting prequelmemes.
18:19 Calinou lisac: VSCode
18:19 lisac hmm
18:19 Calinou it's just an edtior, not an IDE (like Atom)
18:19 lisac atom just got an ide packet
18:19 Calinou it can still do a lot of things
18:19 lisac atom-ide
18:19 lisac I'd rather learn vim
18:19 lisac I heard it's nice.
18:20 benrob0329 lisac: vim is bae
18:20 benrob0329 hjkl ALL the things!
18:20 lisac hmm https://www.urbandictionar​y.com/define.php?term=Bae
18:21 lisac I played a lot of nethack
18:21 lisac should help.
18:21 Calinou DEFEND THE BAE
18:21 Calinou AND GET THE FLAG
18:22 lisac and the new contract update, Calinou: https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments​/7921kj/literally_every_map_contract/
18:22 Megaf lisac, It's shaders are quite awesome and impressive
18:22 Megaf yet practically useless
18:23 lisac Megaf, vims?
18:23 lisac oh, terasology
18:23 lisac I was confused for a moment there
18:23 lisac and it's also in java.
18:23 benrob0329 Vim with shaders, i'd pay to see that
18:25 lisac I'm sure there is an emacs command for it
18:25 lisac https://xkcd.com/378/
18:25 lisac oh well https://www.reddit.com/r/dontdeadopeninside/comm​ents/78z6sf/john_f_kennedy_killed_by_wikipedia/
18:26 benrob0329 lisac: there is actually an M-x butterfly command
18:26 benrob0329 Its a joke, but still
18:27 Megaf Hah! that xkcd
18:27 lisac http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/​emacs.git/tree/lisp/misc.el#n110
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19:05 Megaf Oh boy, I miss the good old Opera Browser, with built in Web Server, IRC, EMail Client, RSS reader, Torrent Downloader, full customization, Widgets, all that being 1/10 of the size of a now a days web browser and much faster
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19:37 lisac Megaf, maybe you should come to Serbia
19:37 lisac 90% of computers use outdated opera browser here
19:37 Raven262 They do?
19:37 Raven262 I thought IE was still in use here.
19:38 Raven262 At least on WinXp computers.
19:38 benrob0329 IE is still in ues everywhere
19:38 benrob0329 unfortunately
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19:45 Megaf lisac, give me a decent job with decent salary and a Visa and I go
19:46 Megaf The thing is, there's still nothing even remotely close to what Opera used to be
19:46 Megaf Maybe SeaMonkey with plenty of addons
19:47 lisac Megaf, I don't think you need a Visa
19:47 lisac as for the job, you could probably invest into the ruling party
19:47 lisac and get a well-paying do-nothing job
19:48 Megaf lisac, I'm Brazilian, I think I do
19:49 lisac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requir​ements_for_Brazilian_citizens#/media/File​:Visa_requirements_for_Brazilian_citizens.png
19:49 lisac nope, visa-free
19:50 lisac we only require visas from Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_o​f_Serbia#/media/File:Visa_policy_of_Serbia.png
19:50 lisac and some asia, alright.
19:52 Megaf lisac, I can stay 90 days in Serbia without visa, not work nor live
19:52 lisac well, I guess you could add 20% more to your ruling party bribe for a visa
19:52 Megaf Brazilian don't need Visa almost everywhere.
19:53 lisac yay I can visit Brazil
19:53 lisac no visas to there
19:53 lisac or russia.
19:53 lisac Guess that works, too
21:21 IhrFussel Did someone report that bug yet? Falling nodes can make unbreakable nodes drop themselves if the falling node's height matches the one of the unbreakable one
21:22 IhrFussel Basically if you have an unbreakable node above your head an you are standing against a wall the unbreakable node will drop when you let several nodes fall so that they stack until they reach the unbreakable one and it drops just like any other item
21:23 IhrFussel It doesn't need to be above your head it can also just float mid-air against a wall
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