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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-10-16

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00:00 Natechip paramat: i made my own fork with the help of Shara: https://github.com/stolven11/minetest-1
00:00 paramat cool
00:01 Shara Natechip: welcome to the group of, hmm, 800+ people who got that far yet :)
00:01 Natechip hehe
00:01 Fixer Calinou: brutal doom is huuuge win
00:03 Fixer Calinou: this is on par with some bestest Duke Nukem bloodiest battles
00:03 Calinou yep, it's pretty nice
00:03 Calinou also good for deathmatch
00:10 Fixer sooo much fun
00:11 Fixer that soundtrack
00:11 Fixer weapons
00:11 Fixer effects
00:11 Fixer good night
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00:29 shivajiva paramat: how do I get minetest version so I can conditionally support earlier code?
00:29 rubenwardy shivajiva, what for?
00:30 paramat network protocol version?
00:30 rubenwardy version check is a bad idea, you should try using features or the availability of functions
00:30 rubenwardy if it's a server checking client compat, then check the client's protocol version
00:30 rubenwardy minetest.get_client_info or smth
00:30 shivajiva want to add the earlier settings format conditionally dependant on minetest version
00:31 rubenwardy if minetest.settings then  -- new way
00:31 rubenwardy else -- old way
00:31 rubenwardy end
00:32 shivajiva hehe so obvious retrospectively , ty
00:34 ircSparky is cotton supposed to grow when you plant wheat?
00:36 rubenwardy lol
00:36 paramat heh no
00:38 Natechip LOL ircSparky
00:38 ircSparky well, on my server, when players plant wheat, a few of the seeds turn out to be cotton
00:38 Shara Are you sure they're not just planting some cotton ones as well?
00:38 ircSparky maybe its because the engine is new and my default is old
00:39 ircSparky yep
00:39 ircSparky I planted the wheat seeds myself
00:39 shivajiva that's random behaviour, how often does it happen
00:41 ircSparky i have 4 cotton plants in my 9x9 farm
00:48 Shara ircSparky: Have mods running which might change farming?
00:49 ircSparky no
00:50 ircSparky it started after i updated my minetest engine, so im guessing there is a bug with an older version of farming or default
00:51 Natechip guys
00:51 Natechip freenode just got k-lined attacked
00:51 Natechip by bots
00:51 Natechip check #freenode O_o
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02:06 paramat further improvements, i can make stalactites and stalagmites line up vertically, such that they can meet and create columns ^_^
04:19 jas_ overlays for textures now missing?  (protector logo is missing off my protector node.)
04:19 jas_ be back in a bit
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05:40 jas_ it's just the inventory_image.
05:40 jas_ and wield_image(?)
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10:31 red-001 hi Megaf
10:31 Megaf Hi red-001
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10:46 nerzhul hi
10:47 Raven262 Hello everyone.
10:47 red-001 hi IhrFussel
10:48 IhrFussel Hello guys^^ how's it going?
10:51 Megaf IhrFussel, that -> http://www.met.ie/nationalwarnings/default.asp
10:51 Megaf winds at 50 KM/h right now
10:54 IhrFussel Megaf, Berlin had a 115 km/h storm recently ... or I should rather say the majority of Germany East
10:56 IhrFussel Hundreds of trees fell, bus, train, tram, subway had to stop for a few hours ... it was brutal
10:57 Megaf my college is closed
11:19 shivajiva strange looking sky today in the UK, yellow, orange and green today
11:20 Shara Was yellow here when I woke.
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11:41 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-technol​ogy/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-le​aves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/
11:41 Fixer what a great time
11:45 nerzhul Fixer, yeah
11:45 nerzhul just update when patch available
11:45 nerzhul hopefuly i'm on a openbsd it should be fixed asap, or not working
11:52 nerzhul i search the iamge where someone uses many plug convertors (5-8 convertors) to plug a mouse from USB to PS2 to parallel, etc
11:53 nerzhul do you remember this image ?
11:53 Fixer https://www.krackattacks.com/
11:54 Fixer "you should also update the firmware of your router" kekekekekkkekekeekk
11:54 red-001 I think that means flash it with openWRT
11:54 Fixer rip
11:54 red-001 too bad my router doesn't have enough memory for that
11:55 nerzhul i found it: https://www.geek.com/wp-content/up​loads/2010/08/500x_chain-usb1.jpg
11:56 Fixer i need to update clients too? that is fucked up
11:56 Fixer so all of this shit around is vulnerable and can be exploited and will never update, thanks to shiteconomy
12:06 Megaf Oh boy!!! Storm is ariving where I live now!
12:07 Megaf Beginning to rain and extremely windy
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12:30 IhrFussel Seems like there's no callback when entities on the map are unloaded...that's bad
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12:55 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4WURZoR98
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15:01 jas_ re: skin format/cape support.  it's fascinating to me because i actually select skins to use that explicitly don't have a cape, because of the clothing mod and cape craftitem that's used instead.
15:02 jas_ so if stujones11 continues to support capes in clothing mod, dropping/changing skin formatting wouldn't bother me; but yeah there's always been capes in my MT experience
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15:40 IhrFussel Is there an easy way to get the pos between the player and a certain radius? Like I want to make a command that forceloads all blocks in a radius of 20
15:42 rubenwardy playerpos + normaliseddirection * radius
15:42 ThomasMonroe couldnt you loop through a cube checking to see if the pos's are within the radius?
15:42 rubenwardy wait, saw latter bit
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16:10 atorian37 a Player put lava on the surface of my landscape, how can I get it away? it looks very strange, I am not sure but I thought I saw it desappearing and appearing again...whats that?
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16:18 lisac atorian37, did you try placing a node inside it?
16:18 lisac the source, ofc.
16:18 shivajiva if you have wordedit installed us the remove liquid function if you cant determine the source node
16:19 shivajiva +e
16:19 Shara I've seen liquids fading in and out of the ground with no source before. WE is a good fix (and could have even been the cause)
16:22 shivajiva I must have removed 5-6 million nodes of water before they added that feature
16:23 shivajiva replacing both source and flowing with air
16:23 Shara Been there :)
16:24 ThomasMonroe atorian37 the reason it was disappearing and reappearing was due to having the wavy water shader enabled
16:25 shivajiva when stomchaser put the server up, one of the players decided they wanted to be surrounded by water, 2.5 million nodes later and storm found himself in a huge lake, top trolling of a new server :)
16:27 shivajiva funniest bit was he was miffed that I removed it the second it became my server
16:51 atorian37 :) ok... so that what happen was not a bug or a hack but it was made by the player with the possibilitees he has anyway?
16:53 atorian37 thanks, to place a cobblestone helped a bit... but have to investigate if theres more of it because the player was without adult surveiance :(
17:01 atorian37 strange: a player has left his bones and they do not get old bones, are still fresh but he played yesterday?
17:17 jas_ nodetimer stuck?  when is 0.4.17?
17:19 sofar when it's done
17:19 sofar inspector mod can show nodetimer values
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18:29 Calinou evening :)
18:30 Krock hello Calinou  O/
18:30 Raven262 o/ Calinou
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20:05 Fixer viiiiiiiibes
21:17 Natechip ...
21:18 benrob0329 VanessaE: does anyone actually have a new character design idea for MTG?
21:18 Natechip benrob0329 whos M!TG?
21:18 Natechip MTG*
21:19 Wayward_One Minetest Game
21:19 benrob0329 Natechip: Minetest Game
21:19 Natechip duh
21:19 Natechip im just dumb I guess :P
21:20 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1235
21:20 Natechip looking for new character
21:21 VanessaE benrob0329: idk.  doubt it though.
21:22 benrob0329 Some don't want MC compatible skins, and VE is saying that we don't need NIH syndrome. However if we had a new design that needed more detail, then it would make sense
21:22 VanessaE I can guarantee you the vast majority of MT users want MC skin compatibility.
21:23 VanessaE and probably just about all server owners, too
21:23 benrob0329 VanessaE: well, it'd need to take head movement into account (sofar's idea) as well as armour/cloths, and wielded items
21:23 Natechip +1
21:23 benrob0329 And then you have that
21:24 VanessaE head movement is orthogonal to player model format.
21:24 sofar it just really depends on your perspective of things
21:24 sofar I really don't like having 2 layers of clothes in a single texture
21:24 VanessaE I've seen the old 1.0-compatible model move its head before with a mod (hacky, and horrible for net bandwidth, but it worked)
21:24 sofar that stuff should be a different material
21:24 benrob0329 The problem is that MT usually has NIH, or MC copycat syndrome, which is sad
21:24 VanessaE sofar: that much is true, but it's way too late for that now.
21:24 sofar NIH is a bullshit term
21:25 sofar it's a troll stamp to criticize redesigns
21:25 sofar sysvinit was NIH
21:25 sofar debian was NIH
21:25 VanessaE sofar: in this context, it's legit.
21:25 sofar benrob0329 was NIH
21:25 Natechip if they really want a new skin then they can do it their selfs and learn to make one, its easy enough
21:25 benrob0329 No it isnt, its a real term because some dont like not having created something (and even admit to it)
21:25 VanessaE because we already HAVE something useful that doesn't need to be redesigned, and which if redesigned would not be any better.
21:26 sofar MC keeps changing their skin layout too
21:26 VanessaE re-UV-map our existing boxy model to accept a 1.8 skin, and be done with it.
21:26 VanessaE MC has changed it only once to my knowledge?  1.0 and 1.8
21:26 benrob0329 VanessaE: Unless actually made better, in which case it'd be justified
21:26 Calinou they change it once or twice, IIRC
21:27 Calinou which is pretty infrequent, in 8 years :)
21:27 sofar it doesn't matter much anyway, since skin layout is per-server
21:27 sofar every server can change it as badly as they want
21:27 sofar unlike MC
21:27 * VanessaE sighs
21:27 benrob0329 MTG is the default, we need sane defaults
21:27 Calinou I don't know of any server which does this
21:27 Calinou (there's no reason to)
21:27 Natechip are we making this a copy of minecraft?
21:28 VanessaE Natechip: no, we are not.  but we already use MC-format skins and have for years.
21:28 VanessaE there's nothing to be gained by changing to some other format
21:28 VanessaE and a lot to lose.
21:28 Natechip VanessaE: i dont see anything wrong with current ones
21:28 sofar frankly I've lost any interest in mtg at this point, so don't bother listening to my opinion
21:28 VanessaE Natechip: that's the point - there's nothing wrong with current skins, either 1.0 or 1.8.
21:29 benrob0329 Natechip: the entirety of MT is, realistically born from MC
21:29 Natechip ok
21:29 Shara Personally I'd rather not need to change the skins used on my servers. Haven't read enough to be sure, but if a change would break that for me... ugh?
21:29 Natechip sofar: interested in subgames now?
21:29 sofar don't use that swearword, please
21:29 sofar either call them games or modpacks
21:30 sofar :P
21:30 Natechip ill stick to subgames, anyways.
21:30 benrob0329 Shara: converter script once, and not having to do it again
21:31 Shara But benrob0329, effort :(
21:31 benrob0329 Unlike not where we can loose most detail because the bottom is usually just cut off
21:31 benrob0329 *now
21:31 benrob0329 And arms/legs mirrored
21:31 Natechip something I think we should get rid of are these invisiable skins...
21:31 Natechip they are annoying
21:32 Shara Invisible skins?
21:32 Natechip invisible*
21:32 Shara What invisible skins?
21:32 benrob0329 Fully transparent
21:32 Shara SHouldn't that be the choice of the server owner?
21:33 sofar mt servers enforce all skin content, so, irrelevant
21:36 benrob0329 I think the discussion is probably moot anyways since no one who was interested in working on it actually posted their work
21:50 Fixer MTG as in MC beta 1.7.3 clone *cough*
21:54 Fixer sofar: we are all NIH
21:55 Natechip
21:55 Fixer Natechip: ask any questions in public here
21:56 Natechip Fixer: nvm, i already got it
21:58 Fixer Natechip: much faster response in chat, *if someone is not afk, we afk a lot sometimes
21:59 Fixer maybe minecraft skin design is not that bad, at least they have plenty of skins and even online tools to draw you own one
21:59 Fixer minetest should just decide what is best, choices are here
22:07 * benrob0329 sent a long message: benrob0329_2017-10-16_22:07:36.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/kzIDNaytzLZiUJqyRDqJhIPg>
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22:24 rubenwardy <sontrunks> runbendy are you the real admin ? 0-0?
22:24 rubenwardy ._.
22:26 Natechip <meepjeep> i own minetest i will ban u if u dont make me admin Natechip!
22:26 Natechip rubenwardy ^
22:27 rubenwardy lol
22:27 Natechip i get that a lot
22:27 Natechip or use to
22:27 rubenwardy didn't know OldCoder played Minetest!
22:27 Natechip LOL
22:28 Fixer rubenwardy: Bender, it is you!
22:29 rubenwardy ?
22:29 Fixer rubenwardy: runbendy, felt futuramic for a moment
22:29 paramat hehe
22:30 Natechip *cough cough*
22:30 Natechip when only paramat understands ur joke
22:34 red-001 Natechip, well meepjeep said it, it must be true
22:35 Natechip red-001: nah I made that up
22:35 Natechip lol
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23:20 Sokomine what on earth is kelp?
23:20 rubenwardy type of seaweed?
23:20 rubenwardy !g kelp plant
23:20 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Giant kelp, Kelp Forest, Plants & algae, Macrocystis pyrifera ... - This majestic giant of the kelp forest grows faster than tropical bamboo—about three to five inches each day in our exhibit and 10 to 12 inches in the bay. Under ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monte​reybayaquarium.org%2Fanimal%2Dguide%2F​plants%2Dand%2Dalgae%2Fgiant%2Dkelp>, Simply Hydroponics - Benefits of (8 more messages)
23:21 rubenwardy ShadowBot really sucks
23:21 Sokomine rubenwardy: thanks! couldn't guess that from the discussion :-)
23:50 Fixer Sokomine: https://i.imgur.com/p8SGEZT.png

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