Time Nick Message 02:08 * benrob0329 is happy that things work on his new Void Linux laptop install 02:09 benrob0329 Even OpenGL in the framebuffer :P 05:16 sofar so, I want to make a simple static webpage 05:16 sofar but I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes making it 05:17 sofar and no, I don't want to sign up for an account or install some framework on my PC 05:18 sofar I'm just tempted to , it seems faster than trying to learn another framework again 05:40 benrob0329 sofar: https://github.com/Calinou/beauty.css 05:41 benrob0329 or if you want to go simpler than that, https://github.com/KeenRivals/bestmotherfucking.website 07:45 Raven262 Hi Calinou, yes. 07:45 Raven262 Wait 07:45 Raven262 That was a few hours ago 07:46 Raven262 No matter, I'm here now :P 09:34 Calinou hi Raven262 :P 09:34 Calinou I went to sleep, I wanted to continue Freedoom coop 09:34 Raven262 :P 09:34 Raven262 Ah 09:34 Raven262 I was already asleep then 09:34 Calinou just ping me when you want to continue 09:34 Calinou maybe KaadmY could play too, although his ping will be high (he's in the US) 09:41 Raven262 Calinou, I've been making a map for Hexen this last few weeks. I just started it and got some 1521 sectors from adding lots of details :D 09:41 Calinou Raven262: I tried Hexen II yesterday (using uHexen2) 09:41 Calinou I got stuck in the 2nd level, it's too mazey already :| 09:43 Raven262 Hexen2 will give you hints, and if you are a normal person like me, you won't get them :P 09:44 Raven262 I had to use a guide to get trough the game 09:44 Raven262 Its seriously hard 09:44 Raven262 Not only for the first time, you know 09:44 Raven262 The puzzles change sometimes depending on which corridor you passed first. 09:46 Raven262 I think i used this one https://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/39790-hexen-ii/faqs/47176 10:58 Calinou Raven262: https://media.hugo.pro/Quake4_2017-09-25_12-56-27.png 10:58 Calinou Quake 4 with maxed anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, disabled texture compression, and r_lightScale 4 10:58 Calinou however, I don't know how to remove the FPS cap (I made sure V-Sync is disabled) :P 11:04 Raven262 I haven't been playing Q4, though lisac finished the whole game. 11:04 Raven262 I also didn't know that it has so good graphics when maxed out Oo 11:09 Raven262 btw, Calinou, the start of my map right now https://i.imgur.com/kyvKvyO.jpg 11:09 Calinou yeah, its graphics aren't so bad 11:09 Calinou it was released 12 years ago :P 11:09 Calinou Raven262: this looks pretty nice! 11:10 Calinou I never used GZDoom Builder, I used SLADE a bit 11:10 Raven262 Glad you like it, i did lose a few maps like this one in system reinstalls xD 11:11 Raven262 In my opinion, Slade's map editor is not as good as GZDB 11:11 Raven262 It also doesn't support advanced GZDoom features 11:11 Raven262 Some of them that is 13:16 Jordach Fixer, don't go for nvidia 13:17 Jordach my RX 480 from launch is about ~12% faster than when it launched 13:59 Fixer Jordach: funnily I see shittons of reports about GSOD on RX480 %) 13:59 Fixer Calinou: bad news 14:00 Fixer Calinou: even with limiter, during minecraft beta play I did alt-tab to gpu-z and got black screen, after that it shows cursor only with black screen on startup and hang, kek 14:00 Fixer only safe mode works 14:04 Megaf So I finally got my replacement keyboard fort my macbook pro. Doesn't fit. https://www.laptopmarket.ie/image/cache/data/Keyboard/Macbook/us%20and%20uk%20eu%20layout-800x800.jpg 14:04 sfan5 >mac 14:07 tenplus1 hi folks 14:07 rubenwardy yo 14:07 tenplus1 hi ruben 14:07 Shara Hi all 14:07 tenplus1 hi shara 14:08 Shara Megaf: last time I tried to order a keyboard, they sent me german layout one instead 14:08 Megaf Shara, it was my mistake this time 14:08 tenplus1 hi Megaf 14:08 Megaf I thought apple would be sensible and use the same key wholes, just different keys 14:08 Shara It's happened twice actually, not my mistake either time. Order number and everything else matched to UK one... it's just not what they sent 14:09 Megaf but they decided to change enter key shape and get rid of the right left key in the uk layout 14:09 Megaf from that image we can see UK and Europe have the same frame 14:09 Megaf stupid Americans, why everything have to be different for America? 14:09 Shara Yes, but not same keys :) 14:09 tenplus1 lol 14:10 Megaf and hi tenplus1 14:10 rubenwardy http://ircv3.net/ O_o 14:10 Shara I don't even notice the y/z switch between german and UK keyboard much, but the punctuation changes kill me :) 14:11 CalebDavis hi ten 14:11 tenplus1 hi caleb 14:12 * Megaf does a /join #ircv3 14:13 * tenplus1 tries to rewrite api with no joy :( https://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo/blob/master/api_new.txt 14:17 Megaf by the way, I did want the UK layout 14:17 Megaf because I prefer the UK layout 14:17 Megaf I thought it'd fit 14:18 Jordach Fixer, >mfw RX 480 works for me 14:18 Jordach i get them grey screens on arch with APUs 14:18 Jordach fucking HP 14:18 Jordach trash shittops 14:18 Jordach oh you switched to radeon? GSOD 14:18 Jordach reeeeeee 14:18 tenplus1 lol 14:18 tenplus1 hi Jordach 14:18 Jordach in future i'm buying surface devices only 14:18 Jordach and ONLY surfaces 14:19 Jordach my gen 1 surface works perfectly fine even now 14:19 Fixer Jordach: i've started having GSOD just recently, and display corruption, wonder what is fucked, gpu or psu or both 14:19 Raven262 Hello everyone. 14:19 Fixer Jordach: even shifted screen bug 14:19 Jordach Fixer, i'd post you a GTX 750TI 14:20 Jordach >default libraries in windows 7 (docs photos music and videos)( 14:20 Jordach >technet says the same 14:20 Jordach >answer is wrong 14:20 Jordach :thinking: 14:24 Jordach >a laptop CPU is the same processing power of a desktop 14:24 Jordach >answer requires me to not check "a laptop CPU is not as powerful as a desktop" 14:24 tenplus1 normally yes, but doesnt laptop have slower bus speeds to save power 14:25 tenplus1 not as souped up 14:25 Jordach tenplus1, laptops are generally clocked even slower and may have missing extensions 14:28 tenplus1 hi Grandolf 14:28 Grandolf hi 11 :P 14:33 tenplus1 wb fixer 14:42 tenplus1 https://i.imgur.com/Ca2iE9D.png ahhaa, love the nyan in teh background 14:46 Krock needs more railways 14:50 tenplus1 :P 15:00 benrob0329 Jordach: my laptop runs fine, even openGL in the framebuffer and WiFi with no issues :P 15:00 tenplus1 hi benrob, what laptop you got ? 15:01 benrob0329 rubenwardy: soo..ircv3 is basically Matrix? 15:02 benrob0329 :P 15:02 rubenwardy it's the next version of IRC so will probably work better 15:02 rubenwardy because IRC has no reliability problems at all 15:02 benrob0329 tenplus1: HP something something idr, I'll have to go look 15:03 tenplus1 heh 15:03 benrob0329 rubenwardy: unless you're on a phone 15:04 benrob0329 Matrix.org hasn't gone down in a while, and when it does its to update things 15:04 benrob0329 And you could run you're own homeserver, since its federated 15:04 benrob0329 *your 15:06 benrob0329 Also, HTML based formatting is bae 15:17 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/c9Qbqocmeq4 15:17 benrob0329 Jordach: ^^ 15:20 rdococ hj 15:20 rdococ hm 15:20 tenplus1 hi rdococ 15:20 rdococ is there software I can install to prevent Microsoft from collecting information about computer usage? 15:20 tenplus1 for win10 ? 15:20 rdococ win8.1 15:21 tenplus1 https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/11/blocking-telemetry-in-windows-7-and-8-1/ 15:22 rubenwardy rdococ: yeah, http://tinyurl.com/yan9md2x 15:22 rdococ wait, what the heck just opened that Microsoft tab saying "Microsoft Network Monitor"? 15:23 rdococ rubenwardy, this is my parent's computer, I don't want to mess with it too much (even though she'd probably let me :P) 15:24 tenplus1 if you wanna stop spying completely install Xubuntu 15:24 rdococ anyway, when I get my computer back I plan on immediately installing a linux distribution anyway 15:24 Megaf meh, disabling vsync and fps limiter makes my laptop able to fry an egg 15:24 Megaf I will be selling my cooktop tomorrow, no need for it anymore 15:24 Megaf lol 15:24 rdococ lol 15:25 tenplus1 hi twoelk 15:25 twoelk o/ 15:26 benrob0329 rdococ: don't use Windows, that's how :P 15:26 rdococ rubenwardy, this is my parent's computer, I don't want to mess with it too much (even though she'd probably let me :P) 15:26 rdococ benrob0329* 15:26 rubenwardy O_o 15:26 benrob0329 Lol 15:27 rdococ anyway, I like the idea of metaphorically poking a middle finger at Microsoft by using their crap without being spied on 15:27 benrob0329 While still probably being spied on? 15:27 tenplus1 you can get tools to disable much of the tracking, but... I wouldnt trust them not to re-enable it 15:28 benrob0329 Plus, strange tools 15:28 tenplus1 yup 15:28 * benrob0329 is rather happy with Void Linux, at least atm 15:29 twoelk rdococ head over to www.portableapps.com and built your own stuff on a portable device that can run when plugged into any windows computer leaving as little trace as possible 15:29 benrob0329 I like Runit as my init system, simple and really friggen fast 15:30 tenplus1 looks interesting 15:30 benrob0329 They weren't joking when they put the run in runit 15:30 benrob0329 I'll post a video of my laptop booting 15:32 Fixer Jordach: you say AMD, but... my first ati card also kinda half-died of gpu/mem errors, this one has potential to be a second... 15:32 Fixer I have spare ATI X800GTO card with even old school video out output. 15:32 Fixer hope it works 15:32 Fixer but first i need to try drivers thing 15:33 twoelk I have several dif/me runs mt under a portableapps hood at work 15:33 twoelk ? 15:33 rdococ lol, I have found myself in regedit.exe 15:33 Fixer lololol 15:33 tenplus1 *shudder* 15:33 * twoelk runs mt under a portableapps hood at work 15:34 Fixer someone suggest old method of cooking videocard in oven, thats too hardcore for me 15:34 Fixer too spooky 15:34 Krock twoelk, usually that's not necessary for a RUN_IN_PLACE build 15:35 rdococ HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows, and I'm setting CEIPEnable to 0 15:35 rdococ from its original value of 1 15:35 twoelk Krock, I do take it a little further :-P 15:35 benrob0329 rdococ: /me hides in his config files 15:35 Krock but that only changes a bit of it, rdococ. 15:36 rdococ meh. 15:37 rdococ Krock: the customer experience thing was already off, it seems... idk why it was 1 then 15:37 rdococ unless changing that dword did turn it off (or at least caused the control panel to display it as off) 15:37 * Krock tries wine regedit.exe 15:38 * tenplus1 got "Oddworld: Abes Oddyssey" free from steam, $0.00 :) works well in wine :D 15:39 rdococ Krock, o_O 15:39 Krock rdococ, there's actually a registry from Wine to make programs run properly 15:39 rdococ Krock: I would have guessed so. 15:39 Krock then why o_0 15:40 Krock s/0/O/ 15:41 twoelk one could also try a portable or live version of reactos to bypass ms - providing the target software runs on it 15:41 Krock reactos is the operating system around wine.. kina 15:44 twoelk not quite but they do share common code 15:44 rdococ heh, maybe I should dualboot linux and reactos 15:45 tenplus1 back laters 15:48 rdococ lol, let's tripleboot 15:48 rdococ linux, reactos, and something else 15:49 twoelk freedos? 15:49 Krock BSD? 15:49 twoelk lets raise TOS from the dead 15:49 benrob0329 LibreBSD, they disliked OpenBSD's lack of hardware support and forked 15:50 Krock what? TempleOS is dead? 15:50 rdococ linux, reactos and OpenBSD :P 15:50 twoelk is plan8 or was it 9 still alive? 15:51 * Jordach cracks out the modtracker 15:53 * rdococ gives Jordach an integer between 2 and 3 15:54 benrob0329 Jordach: OOOooo 15:54 * benrob0329 mentions mod music support in Minetest, then hides 15:55 rdococ benrob0329: here comes the ghost! OOOOooooOOOOoooh! 15:57 * Jordach sends commands to re-process the audio data into audacity 15:57 Jordach there, output from modformat 15:57 Jordach and time period correct 11k sampling 16:13 Fixer with driver uninstalled back to normal windows mode 16:13 Fixer will try fresh install of older one 16:50 tenplus1 hi folks 16:52 rdococ evaluating to eleven 16:53 tenplus1 o/ 16:57 Calinou heh, I was playing Unreal 1 on my ultrabook 16:58 Calinou 1920×1080, everything maxed, 4× MSAA, 16× AF, constant 60 FPS 16:58 Krock hi tenplus1 16:58 Calinou (except when particles are spawned right in front of the player) 16:58 tenplus1 hi krock 16:58 tenplus1 so far away particles dont slow things down cal ? 17:03 Calinou tenplus1: no, they don't, it's a fillrate limitation 17:03 Calinou IGPs have low fillrates compared to dedicated GPUs 17:03 tenplus1 ohhh 17:04 shivajiva Hi tenplus 17:05 tenplus1 hi shiva 17:07 rdococ YaY 17:08 rdococ EW EW EW, for rdococ.github.io I used a dejavu font (I think) and it displays here as comic sans 17:08 tenplus1 lolol 17:11 * rdococ tries out random tools on Firefox Nightly 17:11 tenplus1 what's it up to now ? 17:12 rdococ idk if these are new tools, or if they've been there for several versions, but there is a WebIDE 17:13 rdococ I'll be honest, it looks like a web-based application creator 17:13 rdococ which is probably what it is, lol 17:14 Dargod hi all 17:14 tenplus1 hi Dargod 17:14 Dargod mt server 0.5.0 version is not compatible with previous versions of clients (0.4.x)? 17:15 tenplus1 nope... player models dont work properly between them... 17:15 rdococ (or maybe it's just to help test compatibility among devices, idk) 17:16 Dargod ohh, it seems like you have to stay on older versions ( 17:16 rdococ yes 17:17 rdococ 0.5.0 is incompatible with 0.4.x, though I wish they had a compatibility mode which used the old system 17:17 tenplus1 for now... when 0.5.0 is released I'll be updating Xanadu and all my mods to comply to new standard... also urging players to do same 17:17 rdococ yeah 17:19 tenplus1 am hoping 0.5.0 will be the new base everone builds from 17:21 rdococ hm, is there any good software for developing an online GUI? 17:22 tenplus1 http://www.layoutit.com/ 17:22 rdococ haha, layou tit 17:23 tenplus1 :P 17:24 rdococ layoutit seems really cool 17:24 tenplus1 :) so long as it works... ehe 17:26 rdococ yay for betas! 17:27 rdococ I'm working on how to modify the contents of the navbar at the moment, hm 17:30 tenplus1 only web editor I ever used was the old netscape one... :) 17:31 rdococ yeah, but how would I edit the navbar? 17:31 tenplus1 are you just inserting links ? 17:35 twoelk hmmmm, the cat left the office - the mice consider doing some mt server hopping 17:36 rdococ lol 17:36 rdococ tenplus1, no, I'm not doing much of anything atm 17:36 rdococ wait 17:36 rdococ what do you mean? 17:36 tenplus1 navigation bars, I was wondering if you are adding links to click... 17:37 rdococ no, I'm using the navbar component 17:37 tenplus1 oh 17:37 rdococ (in layoutit, that is) 17:37 rdococ editing the contents of links seems to be easy enough, I was talking about the navbar component 17:38 paramat it's a good idea for servers to update to 0.5.0 because it's likely some unofficial mobile apps will not be updating to remain compatible (multicraft won't for example), so it may help reduce unofficial app players 17:38 tenplus1 hi paramat, and yeah, agree'd 17:38 rdococ true 17:39 paramat also of course 0.5.0 allows you to enforce the CSM 'flavour' restrictions 17:40 tenplus1 damn right, that's soooo getting disabled :P 17:40 Shara paramat: the apps issue is a mixed one though. I'm likely to lose some long term quite good players by updating, as well as losing some of the bad ones... 17:41 tenplus1 any android players can install the official mt 0.5.0 release, ios on the other hand will hve to wait for a build to become available 17:41 Shara and the moment it does, we're back to where we started anyway 17:41 rdococ my mother won't let me have a phone, because all she considers is calling 17:42 rdococ hm, what android tablet do you suggest? 17:43 paramat yes for players to be happy to transfer to the official app the controls need improving 17:43 Shara I'm guessing no updates on that? 17:44 paramat so assuming we manage that, updating to 0.5.0 could be a good opportunity to encourage players to switch to the official app 17:44 Shara I'm all for getting them to switch as you know 17:45 rdococ Shara, paramat: I may be getting an android tablet for my birthday, which one should I choose? 17:45 tenplus1 whats the budget ? 17:46 Shara rdococ: I barely use tablets ever, toerh than for reading. 17:46 Shara So I can't really say 17:46 paramat Shara, i added a post in the forum, emailed multicraft's admin, not much yet, will try to find a contributor willing to add joystick 17:46 Shara other* 17:46 Calinou tenplus1: heh, TrackMania Nations Forever runs ok on my laptop 17:46 rdococ £100 would be okay, £500 maybe not... hm 17:46 Calinou but with low shaders and shadows, else it's too slow 17:46 Calinou (1080p, 4× MSAA, 16× AF as usual) 17:46 rdococ tenplus1: between £100 and £250 17:46 tenplus1 amazon fire hd is pretty good and cheaper than 150 for a good spec 17:47 Calinou this makes the grass and water pretty ugly, but it works :) 17:47 Calinou (and doesn't look too jagged) 17:47 paramat i'm clueless about tablets, my mobile phone is 9 years old and has physical buttons :) 17:47 tenplus1 lol, my mobile is 60 quid and works fine :) 17:47 Shara paramat: Yay, I'm not the only one! 17:48 rdococ tenplus1, hm, which size do you suggest? 17:48 tenplus1 as big as you can afford... screen size is important if you wanna cut out eye strain, especially when web browsing and gaming 17:49 rdococ true, although are there any RAM differences? 17:49 rdococ I'd like to maximize on RAM and total clock speed (clock speed per core x number of cores, I would guess). 17:49 rdococ and I wouldn't mind sacrificing a little bit of screen size and disk space for that. 17:49 tenplus1 99quid for 16gb kindle hd 17:49 tenplus1 http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/tablets-and-ereaders/tablets/amazon-fire-hd-8-tablet-with-alexa-2017-32-gb-black-10164192-pdt.html 17:50 tenplus1 99 for 32gb black with alexa 17:50 rdococ yes, but I'm guessing 16gb and 32gb refers to disk space 17:51 tenplus1 yeah... they are mostly 8" in size tho 17:51 rdococ but are there differences in RAM? 17:51 rdococ 2 GB of RAM doesn't seem very much. 17:52 tenplus1 my laptop has 2gb and I can do everything I need :) 17:52 rdococ hm, interesting 17:52 tenplus1 all depends what you run 17:52 rdococ Fire HD 8 only has 1.5 GB of RAM 17:52 rdococ I plan to run the official Android client for Minetest, along with IRC 17:52 rdococ s/IRC/an IRC client/ 17:53 rdococ I've decided I want the fire HD 10, because it has basically more of everything :P 17:54 tenplus1 http://www.ebuyer.com/771097-hannspad-poseidon-11-6-16gb-tablet-pc-sn12tp1b 17:54 rdococ ooh, that's cheaper... 17:54 tenplus1 look around and you'll find many brands with different specs :) 17:54 tenplus1 google reviews to see what buyers think and you might find a gem 17:55 rdococ well, I'm looking to max out on RAM, clock speed and number of cores for a better mobile gaming experience 17:55 rdococ although gaming is probably better left to the PC, lol 17:55 rdococ then again, I bet there's probably a tablet with better specs than these laptops 17:55 tenplus1 true, but you can still get some good games on tablet 17:56 tenplus1 hell my net-top is an atom 1.8 with nvidia mobile gfx, most phones are aleadt better than that :D 17:56 rdococ the HD 10 seems to have specs very similar to my laptop (not my mother's, which is 0.2 GHz faster per core). 17:57 rdococ and while it has a shorter battery life than 8, it has a longer battery life than 7 17:57 rdococ lol, is there a Fire HD 9? 17:57 rdococ but I will keep looking around 17:57 tenplus1 :P 17:58 twoelk might be usefull if you can attach things to the tablet - like an external keyboard for example 17:58 tenplus1 bluetooth keyuboard works fine, same with mouse 17:58 rdococ huh, I've found something with 3 GB of RAM 17:59 twoelk some cheap tablets hardly connect to anything except wifi 17:59 rdococ but I'm not sure it's quadcore 18:00 rdococ hm, how about the Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8.0? 18:00 rdococ it's quadcore with 3 GB of RAM 18:00 tenplus1 not bad 18:00 rdococ it gives multiple clock speeds, though, which is confusing 18:00 rdococ I'm looking at https://www.android.com/intl/en_uk/tablets/pixel-c/ and comparing the tablets 18:01 tenplus1 bottom numberis what it runs normally which should increase under use (when needed) to the higher number 18:01 rdococ ahh 18:01 rdococ 1.3 to 1.9 then 18:01 paramat (eww the idea of touching a screen with fingers, doesn't seem right) 18:01 tenplus1 saves power 18:01 rdococ wow, that's faster than my laptop 18:01 rdococ my laptop, which is currently under repair somewhere, is 1.0 to 1.8 GHz per core out of 4 cores 18:02 rdococ but it does have one more GB of RAM 18:02 rdococ though I think the monitor's 8'' 18:02 Shara I just can't imagine wanting to play MT on a tablet :P 18:03 * tenplus1 prefers an actual laptop to a tablet... 18:03 rdococ eh, true 18:03 rdococ but I still want a tablet nevertheless, and one that's not a crapple tablet 18:03 Calinou :D got ECWolf running on my phone 18:03 tenplus1 Acer Aspire Cloudbook 12 has great battery life, 2gb memory, 30gb ssd, 14" screen and no moving parts 18:03 rdococ ECWolf? 18:03 Calinou constant 60 FPS, but only 640×400 18:03 Calinou rdococ: Wolfenstein 3D source port 18:03 rdococ Calinou, ah 18:03 rdococ tenplus1, don't the majority of tablets use an SSD? 18:04 rdococ after all, I find it odd to think that a tablet could make HDD noises 18:04 rdococ s/that a tablet could/of a tablet that does/ 18:04 tenplus1 tablets tend to have built in slow memory storage... laptops use mmc or m2 18:04 Krock what kind of tablet doesn't use flash memory!? 18:04 rdococ but then again, there's probably at least one 18:04 * twoelk installed the expensive spider-app on the last tablet he had access to :-( 18:04 rdococ spider-app?? 18:05 Krock the windows game? 18:05 twoelk wrecked the screen 18:05 rdococ I can't believe, though, that I've seen the specs for a tablet faster than my laptop. 18:05 rdococ actually, my laptop's quite slow, I can believe that :P 18:06 rdococ also, the battery life is nuts 18:06 rdococ holy nuts it's £400 18:06 rdococ and cheaper on amazon, lol 18:06 rdococ £300 on amazon... hm 18:07 rdococ wait, holy crap, if amazon is to be believed then I'm looking at the page for an octo-core tablet 18:07 rdococ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-Octa-Core-Lollipop-Black/dp/B013C46IB0? 18:08 tenplus1 ooh 18:08 rdococ holy crud on a stick 18:08 rdococ holy banana cheese chicken balls 18:08 tenplus1 > 18:08 rdococ an octa-core tablet 18:08 tenplus1 ? 18:09 tenplus1 isnt it 4-core low speed, 4-core hi speed, 8 core total ? 18:09 rdococ ah 18:09 rdococ well, that's not bad either. 18:10 rdococ I'm guessing here, but seeing as the low speed cores are probably 1.3GHz, and the high speed ones are likely to be 1.9GHz, it's still going to be much faster than my laptop - heck, maybe even my mother's 18:10 tenplus1 sweet 18:13 tenplus1 wb fixer 18:13 Fixer ty 18:14 tenplus1 hi lisac 18:15 lisac hey tenplus1 18:15 rdococ hm, I'm also considering replacing the Android OS with a GNU/Linux distro 18:15 sfan5 good luck with that on a tablet 18:16 rdococ I don't need good luck, usually I stumble my way through ;) 18:16 tenplus1 heh 18:16 sfan5 rdococ: no, it's literally impossible to install gnu/linux on most tablets 18:16 rdococ sfan5: why is that? 18:17 sfan5 because tablets are not computers 18:17 rdococ yes, I understand that tablets have a different architecture 18:17 tenplus1 hi sniper 18:17 rdococ (although I don't get why they do, I mean, don't we have the technology to basically merge them now?) 18:17 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duyjer5SXbk 18:17 Megaf :D 18:18 sofar most commonly because the device vendors add firmware that prevents unauthorized operatings systems from booting 18:18 rdococ it makes no sense to me to carry around a degenerate version of a computer when I could carry around an actual computer 18:18 sfan5 no bios, no standardized bootloader, no standardized hardware interfaces 18:18 sofar and they also don't release their drivers so linux doesn't even run 18:18 tenplus1 agree'd... laptops are always better 18:18 rdococ ah 18:18 rdococ well, at least Android isn't iOS ;) 18:19 rdococ and I believe it's open source 18:19 sniper570 tenplus1: Yo mann! ಠ‿↼ 18:19 tenplus1 http://www.ebuyer.com/744497-asus-transformer-book-t100ha-2-in-1-t100ha-fu011t 18:19 Shara Hi sniper570 :) 18:19 sniper570 Shara! (◠‿◠✿) 18:19 twoelk does any gnu/linux have the required drivers for the exact touchscreen you target? 18:21 rdococ well, it's a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 18:22 sfan5 twoelk: because none of that is defined by a widely-used standard in the ARM world, chances are linux won't even run without patches 18:22 rdococ is there even a non-ARM tablet? 18:23 tenplus1 ubuntu runs on most arm boards, just needs tinkerng 18:23 sfan5 non-ARM tablets exist yes 18:23 twoelk as in: it clutters when you use it? 18:23 sfan5 tenplus1: of course it does, because someone else did the porting work beforehand 18:23 tenplus1 :P 18:23 sfan5 you can't just take some sort of generic ubuntu image and install it on an ARM device 18:24 twoelk you probably can - if you need a brick ;-P 18:25 rdococ lol 18:34 tenplus1 creative leak >>?? 18:35 Krock tenplus1, don't worry. It's patched in a recent MTG/creative version 18:35 tenplus1 *phew* 18:36 Krock CWz, affects servers with a 0.4.16 or older creative mod which origins in MTG 18:36 CWz is 0.4.17 okay? 18:37 tenplus1 wait, is there a 0.4.17 ? 18:37 paramat only in name 18:38 tenplus1 I thought next release was 0.5.0 18:38 CWz question is is the latest minetest game compatible with 0.4.16 18:38 paramat looks like we might release a 0.4 bugfix version soon 18:39 paramat CWz not with 0.4.16 stable engine no 18:39 tenplus1 hi nrz 18:39 paramat due to player vertical offset and maybe more 18:40 paramat you often need to use the exact corresponding version of MTG, the 2 are closely synced 18:41 * CWz wonder why unified inventory hasn't been included as the default inventory 18:41 paramat MT engine has hit 7000 commits 18:41 CWz good 18:41 CWz next we must get 9001 18:42 tenplus1 no way CWz, unified inventory is too heavy 18:42 CWz Really? 18:43 tenplus1 prefer sfinv or even inventory plus 18:43 CWz never had issue with heaviness with UI 18:43 tenplus1 I feel it here... my net-top isnt too powerful... 18:47 Shara I still favour UI over any of the others 18:47 Hijiri I prefer sfinv for the tabs 18:48 tenplus1 hi Hijiri 18:48 Shara Hi Hijiri 18:48 Hijiri hi eleven, shara 18:48 Shara sfinv feels like it could get there but it's just... not yet. At least not last time I tried looking at it 18:49 Shara not enough things per page for servers with lots of items 18:52 tenplus1 would be nice if we could merge a crafting guide in with the creative list 18:52 * twoelk muses if bookmarks, favorites or even creating own categories in an creative inventory or crafting guide would be possable ingame 18:53 Shara Yes, actually having an integrated crafting guide is nice. 18:58 tenplus1 just gotta convert bags and skins mod to use sfinv 18:58 tenplus1 maybe a good homepos button as well 18:59 twoelk switching between bags could be easier 19:01 tenplus1 what sounds better, having a tab in inventory to switch between skins, or having player craft a wardrobe block to do same ? 19:03 Dargod tab better 19:03 tenplus1 :) thx 19:04 Shara Tab any day 19:04 Dargod I have long dreamed of such a tab for simple_skins 19:04 tenplus1 same here... it's trying to make one that still has proper transparency for viewing skin changes... 19:04 tenplus1 that's the issue 19:05 tenplus1 might work on it tomorrow... was trying to redo mobs api.txt file today and messed it up :P ehehehe 19:06 tenplus1 does this read any better: https://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo/blob/master/api_new.txt 19:07 Krock nice 19:08 Fixer installed ATI X800GTO, seems to work 19:09 Fixer my ATI HD6870 very probably dead, needs repair/opening 19:09 tenplus1 drivers working ok ? 19:09 Fixer should, kinda 19:11 Fixer OGL 1.1, fuuuck 19:11 tenplus1 what ? 1.1... how old is the gfx cart ? 19:11 tenplus1 *card 19:12 Krock most likely broken driver or hardware 19:12 Fixer thats ms driver 19:12 tenplus1 what Os you running it on ? 19:12 Fixer it is dx9.0b/opengl2.0 card 19:12 Krock ms driver explains it 19:13 Dargod tenplus1, I think it's better to implement thumbnails of skins instead of transparency 19:13 tenplus1 if you boot from linux flash drive using 4.13 kernel check what ogl you get then 19:13 Fixer tenplus1: dl vista driver for it (on w7) 19:13 tenplus1 nope... the whole reason for simple skins was a list of skins... I didnt like the thumbs for each skin, so wasteful 19:14 Fixer need to check few SATA cables, feels slow as fuck 19:14 Shara Wasteful or not, thumbnails are much much more convenient 19:14 Krock May͟be͜ ̛it̡'s ́slow͝ W͢in͝d̡o͏ws 19:15 tenplus1 more visual yes, but wasteful in files... I like to lighten the load on clients 19:16 Fixer installing 19:16 Shara not just more visual, more convenient outright 19:16 Fixer poster for s.t.a.l.k.e.r 19:16 Fixer feels old 19:16 Dargod tenplus1, maybe use raws of skins? but only front part 19:16 Fixer 2005 redistr... 19:17 tenplus1 that would be a lot of editing and resizing... it annoyed me the 1st time around when I redid zeg's skin mod, that's why simple skins was born 19:17 Shara Ten, it's about not needing to select every single skin on the list to know what they are. I never have the patience for it 19:18 Fixer new ATI HD5970... 19:18 Fixer such new 19:18 tenplus1 once you find one you like it tends to be over and done with... unless you chose a personal skin which is set as custom to player 19:18 paramat such low res preview images will be very small files anyway 19:18 Fixer Krock: it has composite output I believe o_o 19:18 Shara Even doing it once per server is annoying. 19:19 Fixer Krock: i can finally record videos to my VCR 19:19 Fixer probably 19:19 Shara These days I rarely bother unless the admin will just add my custom one 19:19 Shara So I get stuck looking like a man :) 19:19 tenplus1 lol 19:19 Fixer restart 19:19 Shara One that often seems to have a dirty face for some reasons 19:19 tenplus1 is there any way to insert an entity into an inventory ? for preview purposes ? 19:19 * Shara hates the default skin 19:20 benrob0329 Some skin mods (specifically the ones that sync with the skin database) have previews 19:20 benrob0329 We just dont have a nice way of updating those with a media server 19:20 tenplus1 which sucks... 19:20 Shara The one I use on RC has nice previews. I've forgotten which it even was though, and it was horrible in it's default form too 19:21 Shara its* 19:21 Shara Plus I think that only works in UI 19:22 benrob0329 We really need a custom media server which supports live updates 19:22 Krock Fixer, heh, nice :) 19:23 tenplus1 hi thomas 19:24 Shara benrob0329: you mean to let players just add whatever skins they like? 19:25 twoelk ever seen the skin chooser on JT2 ? 19:25 Shara Not sure. It's just I'd worry what certain players would upload... 19:25 ThomasMonroe hey ten 19:25 benrob0329 Shara: no, just one that can sync on-demand 19:26 tenplus1 agree'd, which is why we have a set list of 75 skins and the ability to add custom skins if veto'd by admin 19:26 benrob0329 Without restarting everything 19:26 * twoelk wishes sorcerykid would publish more code 19:26 Shara benrob0329: To be honest, if giving players a decent selection anyway, I don't really see the need 19:27 tenplus1 and most of the time you dont even see the skin you've chosed because of 3d_armor 19:28 benrob0329 Shara: lets say that another player adds a skin (even if it is vetted) do you want to have to restart the server? 19:28 benrob0329 Or would you rather people just have to rejoin to see it, 19:28 Shara benrob0329: I simply don't care to let a player add a skin 19:28 benrob0329 What if you add a skin? 19:28 twoelk hehe, we could use some clothes that go over the armor 19:28 Shara I simply don't care enough about skins or add new ones often enough to worry about whether I need to restart 19:28 benrob0329 What if literally anything in the media changes 19:29 Shara Usually if I am changing media, it means I just changed code as well 19:29 Shara I don't generally change textures unless something actually breaks 19:30 Fixer OpenGL 2.1 19:30 tenplus1 getting better : 19:31 Fixer very good fps in minetest 19:33 tenplus1 kewl 19:35 tenplus1 I do like the idea of player clothing as well as armor, then they can dress to suit themselves... maybe have different heads only since that's what you see most of a player 19:36 Fixer 40 fps in mc beta 1.7.3 19:36 Fixer this is slooow 19:36 tenplus1 :P 19:36 Fixer with hd6870 that will smth like 120+ 19:37 twoelk maybe some sort of heraldic mod might be useful 19:37 benrob0329 But the question is, can Minetest run in the framebuffer? 19:37 twoelk it could add motives to shields, armor, flags whatever 19:37 tenplus1 huh? 19:38 benrob0329 I mean, the FB has OpenGL support, and there is a mouse server you can start 19:39 benrob0329 I think its called gmp 19:39 Fixer release date: 2004 19:39 Fixer r e t r o 19:39 tenplus1 I wonder if mt would run any faster using wayland instead of xorg 19:39 tenplus1 hi caleb 19:39 CalebDavis thx ten 19:41 benrob0329 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPM_(software) 19:41 Shara twoelk: I'm sure I saw a mod that already does that 19:42 Krock benrob0329, gmp is the hashing library we use in Minetest 19:44 Grandolf hi 19:44 tenplus1 o/ 19:44 Shara Hi Grandolf 19:44 Grandolf https://pastebin.com/f3DPhA3d this is the codeblock to a node that should remove the item you punch with and give you an item in return 19:45 Grandolf the issue is, it isnt takeing the item 19:45 Krock free items! isn't that great? 19:46 Grandolf the sound is playing, the chat message is sending, and the item is dropping 19:46 twoelk I think my nephew showed me a mod in minecraft once where he proudly presented the patern he had designed ingame and had applied it to all his flags, armor and placable shields 19:46 Krock apart from that, there's a facedir to dir function 19:47 Krock Grandolf, what if you modify the "main" inventory of the player, with the wielded index? 19:47 Grandolf not sure how to, i copyed this code from homedecor soda machine :P 19:47 tenplus1 Grandolf: check this: https://github.com/tenplus1/mob_horse/blob/master/init.lua#L118 19:48 benrob0329 Krock: its called GPM, General Purpose Mouse 19:48 benrob0329 And its used to provide mouse support in the virtual console 19:49 tenplus1 this is how I take saddles from player when riding horses 19:49 Grandolf ty 19:49 Krock Grandolf, setWieldedItem in C++ should do its job just fine. Now it could be an issue with take_item 19:50 tenplus1 take_item(1) 19:50 Amaz Grandolf: You need to add the line "puncher:set_wielded_item(wielditem)" at line 15 19:51 tenplus1 hi amaz 19:51 Amaz Oh 19:51 Krock tenplus1, it defaults to 1 if no argument is given 19:51 Amaz You do that 19:51 Amaz Hi ten :) 19:51 tenplus1 so long as you return itemstack it should update items taken 20:01 Amaz Grandolf: Don't know if you've figured it out, but this code seems to work: https://pastebin.com/uVxbXmXc 20:02 tenplus1 ehe,w as missing return itemstack :D 20:02 Amaz I don't know why your code didn't work... 20:02 * Jordach screams 20:03 Jordach >uninstalled fucking onedrive months ago 20:03 Amaz ten, but it used clicker:set_wielded_item(), which should, in theory, negate the need for return itemstack... 20:03 Jordach >onedrive is somehow /Documents/ library 20:03 Jordach hello GPM 20:03 tenplus1 you gotta return itemstack for that one item take to take effect 20:03 tenplus1 or update it manually 20:05 Amaz Ahhh 20:05 tenplus1 :) 20:05 Grandolf ty 20:05 Amaz np :) 20:09 tenplus1 wb Jordach 20:13 Jordach >regedits onedrive to OBLIVION 20:13 Jordach including modifying userspace 20:13 tenplus1 ehehe... wouldnt trust microsoft with my files 20:14 benrob0329 I wouldn't trust Microsoft with my hardware either, oh wait I don't 20:14 Jordach it mirrored 15GB of already existing files to make it use 30GB 20:14 Jordach wat 20:14 Jordach wat 20:14 Jordach wat 20:15 tenplus1 ? 20:15 Jordach onedrive instead of symlinking 20:15 Jordach it copied them instead 20:15 Jordach even though mklink /j exists 20:15 Jordach since NT4 20:16 benrob0329 Windows supports symlinking (of some sort) now? 20:16 Jordach has since 2000 20:16 Jordach and by extension ME 20:16 benrob0329 Dang, its finally becoming a modern Operating System 20:16 tenplus1 lol 20:16 Jordach benrob0329, it has been since 2000 lmao 20:16 Jordach it's the 16bit era to blame for the shortfalls 20:17 Jordach since they ended up being standard 20:17 benrob0329 Jordach: We've had workspaces since the 90s, and your just now getting them lmao 20:17 Jordach if only OS/2 became standard 20:17 Jordach IBM pls 20:17 tenplus1 running bbLean on WinXP gave me workspaces to play with... 20:18 tenplus1 hi miner 20:18 benrob0329 If only PISOX became standard..oh wait 20:19 Miner_48er hi 20:20 tenplus1 wb 20:23 Jordach https://youtu.be/z7GlUHzlWrc beep boop beep boop 20:24 Jordach nerzhul, sorry for all the shit i give you :) 20:24 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5293 20:28 Fixer it feels like mc is more GPU dependant and minetest is CPU one 20:28 tenplus1 yeah... if only we could get minetestserver to use gpu for calc 20:39 tenplus1 nite folks... 20:40 benrob0329 Windows: Haha, you can never replace me! 20:40 benrob0329 *nix: You Underestimate My Power 20:44 Jordach benrob0329, but Nix has no high ground in business 20:45 Jordach benrob0329, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13392&p=295207#p295207 20:54 benrob0329 Jordach: yes we do, we're on all your servers 20:54 benrob0329 IoT devices 20:54 Jordach *installs Win CE 20:55 benrob0329 Windows may have the desktop market, but Nix has most everything else 20:55 benrob0329 Phones, Servers, IoT 20:56 benrob0329 With our share on desktop slowly growing 20:58 Jordach >IoT 20:58 Jordach you mean overpriced tat that's a bitcoin miner 20:59 benrob0329 Lol, asking if my old avatar is CC 20:59 Jordach benrob0329, click the image and look at the corner 20:59 benrob0329 Jordach: not as overpriced as Mac though XD 20:59 Jordach benrob0329, but buying a mac is actually sensible 20:59 garywhite Nix? 20:59 nerzhul Jordach, ? 21:00 garywhite Nix = Linux? 21:00 Jordach nerzhul, for all the complaints i give, thank you for your work 21:00 benrob0329 *nix, Unix-Like, Linux BSD etc 21:00 garywhite oh 21:00 nerzhul Jordach, i think i didn't read them, it's fine then :p 21:00 Jordach nerzhul, i complain because i care 21:00 benrob0329 Jordach: Apple can't even get proper OpenGL drivers 21:01 Jordach benrob0329, OpenGL is old shit 21:01 Jordach go write a vulkan driver 21:01 benrob0329 They exist, but not on Mac :^) 21:01 benrob0329 Apple is pushing Metal, and no one cares lol 21:02 garywhite Only reason Nix has a hold on mobile is cause of Android, otherwise Windows & iOS would be dominant 21:02 Jordach benrob0329, and with apple you get fucking privacy 21:02 benrob0329 garywhite: iOS is based on Mac 21:02 benrob0329 Mac is an official Unix 21:03 garywhite ik 21:03 benrob0329 So we still have the mobile market 21:03 benrob0329 Even without Android, which is a silly thing to say because we do have Android 21:04 benrob0329 Jordach: do you though? How can you be sure if you can't know what goes on inside? 21:04 Jordach benrob0329, they've refused the US government 21:04 Jordach google and other android devs drop their trousers 21:05 benrob0329 For a publicity stunt, yes they did 21:05 benrob0329 And it was broken anyways 21:05 benrob0329 Jordach: Google is shite, I wont deny that 21:05 Jordach benrob0329, and there's no other options 21:05 benrob0329 But iOS is locked down beyond reason, and I dont like that either 21:05 Jordach other than Apple 21:06 benrob0329 In reality, I should make my own phone and sell it 21:06 * Jordach looks at Canonical and Mozilla 21:06 benrob0329 Base it off of some custom DE and make a lot of money doing it right 21:07 benrob0329 But I probably won't, because why would I do something smart like that, 21:08 benrob0329 Hell, you don't even need Xorg if its all custom Apps 21:08 benrob0329 Use proper FrameBuffer drivers and you have full OpenGL support 21:11 garywhite Firefox OS FTW 21:11 Jordach >HTMLag 21:12 Jordach my snapdragon phone can't even handle modern bullshit 21:12 benrob0329 Jordach: https://bestmotherfucking.website 21:12 Jordach ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 21:12 benrob0329 This is as modern as it gets 21:14 benrob0329 The web is largely over-engineered imo, a blog or the like shouldnt slow down my phone, which isnt that old, to a crawl 21:15 benrob0329 Heck, github's code preview will do that on large files 21:15 Jordach JS is fucking trash and shouldn't be used 21:16 Jordach PHP is stable as anything now 21:16 benrob0329 PHP is worse than a little JS 21:16 benrob0329 JS may be bad, but PHP has been causing problems for far longer 21:16 Jordach and yet server performance outranks all devices 21:17 benrob0329 Note, a little 21:17 benrob0329 Not a lot, not like most websites 21:17 Jordach not overkill 21:17 Jordach but enough for current functionality 21:17 Jordach FB was made with fucking PHP and it runs smooth af using touch.fb.com 21:17 Calinou the web isn't that overengineered, just look at the complex things that you do in a web browser every day 21:17 benrob0329 Enough for the things static pages can't do 21:18 benrob0329 Look how slow my phone is when trying to read an article 21:18 benrob0329 isn't this so advanced? 21:18 Calinou lots of static pages load really quickly for me 21:18 Calinou mobile is a lost cause 21:18 Calinou slow networks, slow browsers (Firefox) 21:18 benrob0329 Instead of making it easier to use the web for what it was made for, we've made it better for making desktop applications! 21:18 Calinou even on 4G, loading speeds will be acceptable at best 21:19 Jordach benrob0329, microsoft barked up that tree in the 90s 21:19 Jordach active desktop and activex 21:19 Calinou well, thank Qt for being terrible in 2017 21:19 Calinou or pretty bad, at least 21:19 Calinou it can make really nice things (Telegram Desktop) but it's a nightmare to develop 21:19 benrob0329 Modern Web browsers have built in video player, and CSS has freaking animations built in 21:20 benrob0329 You don't need to slow down everything for basic functionality 21:21 benrob0329 I don't need infinite scroll, I need to be able to scroll in the first place 21:24 Calinou fun fact: infinite scroll has been done mostly for commercial reasons :-) 21:24 benrob0329 You know, at the end of the day basic HTML + CSS works the best, everywhere 21:24 Calinou Facebook and the like love infinite scroll, because they make you stay on their site longer 21:24 Calinou so, you view more ads 21:24 Calinou and they help with addiction :P 21:24 Calinou benrob0329: CSS animations are a very good thing if used right 21:24 Calinou lots of sites use them wrong, but lots of sites also use them right 21:25 Calinou also, look at this CSS framework, http://bulma.io/ 21:25 Calinou it looks really nice, but does not require any JavaScript 21:25 benrob0329 The entire MF Website series is fully readable on my phone, and it loads faster than Chrome itself 21:25 Calinou some advanced features require writing your own JavaScript implementation, but jQuery is not required 21:25 Calinou (jQuery is slow!) 21:28 Fixer Calinou: my videocard have died it seems 21:28 Calinou #PrayForVideocard 21:30 Fixer Calinou: installed Ati X800GTO for now 21:30 Fixer it is older than octacian* 21:34 Fixer Calinou: died during testing when switching to gpu-z, black screen, after that boot hangs with black screen and a cursor, safe mode works, removing driver - 2dworks, installing again - hang with black screen. probably RIP 21:35 Fixer tried pluging it into PCI-E 1x, still hang, checked cables, still hang 21:35 Fixer will try to test on other PC but i'm pretty sure it wanted to die 22:31 Fixer ＤＯ　Ｉ　ＮＥＥＤ　ＶＩＤＥＯＣＡＲＤ　ＦＯＲ　ＭＩＮＥＴＥＳＴ　ＡＴ　ＡＬＬ？？？　ＣＰＵ　ＢＯＵＮＤ　ＡＳ　ＨＥＬＬ 22:32 Calinou maybe the Source engine developers made Minetest 22:32 Fixer granted, hd6870 used AF 2x by default iirc, but card from 2004 is totally playable, holy shit 22:32 Fixer fuckign same fps, holy shiyt 22:32 Fixer yet minecraft took huge hit in fps 22:33 Calinou maybe Minetest isn't good at AMD 22:33 Calinou many old games play much better on NVIDIA 22:33 Fixer Calinou: it is still AMD card 22:33 Calinou pretty much every arena FPS player uses NVIDIA 22:33 Calinou especially QuakeWorld 22:33 Calinou (and Intel CPUs) 22:34 Fixer Calinou: also, quite funny CS 1.6 and CSS run with same fps, and CS 1.6 has much worse input lag, wth 22:34 Fixer Source games performance and look is impressive by todays standards 22:34 Fixer it gives nice optimal picture and high fps too 22:34 Calinou depends, the older Source games don't look that good due to low-res lightmaps 22:35 Calinou (like, the lightmap resolution is the same as in classic Quake, more or less) 22:35 Calinou CS:GO fixed this with the real-time directional light 22:35 Fixer Calinou: like CS:Source, looks totally good for me and fps is above 60 22:35 Calinou if you want to try a good-looking, old Source game, try Half-Life 2 Update or Black Mesa 22:35 Calinou the former is a small mod for Half-Life 2, improving shaders and increasing lightmap resolutions 22:35 Fixer i have black mesa, will try 22:35 Calinou the latter is a remake of Half-Life 1 in Source 22:36 Fixer Calinou: nvidia or ati in 2017? 22:36 Fixer smth around 180usd 22:36 Calinou I'm not sure, but if you want to play old games, NVIDIA will be a better choice 22:37 Megaf $ uname -a 22:37 Megaf Linux aluminium 4.13.0-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.2-1~exp1 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux 22:37 Megaf Debian Experimental is quite bleeding edge indeed 22:37 Megaf Hi all 22:37 Calinou hi Megaf :) 22:37 Megaf Calinou, git checkout 0.4.14 doesnt work 22:37 Megaf I'd like to checkout 0.4.14 and 0.4.16 22:37 Megaf those are tags 22:39 Calinou what error message do you get? 22:39 Fixer Calinou: i don't playing anything that comes in 10-20-30gb install file, no disk space and slow internet for DL that 22:39 Fixer play* 22:39 Calinou Fixer: then you probably want NVIDIA 22:39 Calinou old/quirky games will often work better there 22:39 Calinou and be smoother 22:40 Megaf error: pathspec '0.4.14' did not match any file(s) known to git. 22:40 Fixer Calinou: stuff like GTAIII/GTASA/CS1.6/CSS/DukeNukem/QuakeII/UT2004/OPF/BF2/BF1942/MaxPayne1/2 etc, classics in other words 22:40 Calinou then it's not a valid branch, or you do not have it locally (in case you cloned a forked repository) 22:40 Calinou Fixer: yeah… great games 8) 22:41 Fixer and special mention - Ghost Recon (that first release in 2001), bestest graphics for its time and sound, mmm 22:41 Fixer Calinou: Serious Sam 1/2 ofc 22:42 Fixer MT/MC 22:42 Calinou did you try the first Unreal? 22:42 Fixer Arma2 was slow as fuck even on HD6870 22:42 Calinou the graphics are very good for a 1998 game 22:42 Megaf Calinou, That's because I want a t a g not a branch 22:42 Calinou you want this patch: http://www.oldunreal.com/oldunrealpatches.html 22:42 Fixer Calinou: never played it, only Unreal Tournament one 22:42 Calinou it's a singleplayer game, like Quake 2 but better-looking 22:42 Calinou and with alternate fire :P 22:43 Fixer Q2 is just my fav 22:43 Fixer bestest, played it since 1990s 22:43 Fixer also, MOHAA 22:43 Fixer big fav 22:43 Calinou I have a Q2 coop server, by the way 22:44 Fixer i'm at hometown server right now, on my base, amazed at performance 22:44 Fixer of this card 22:44 Fixer minetest appears to be insanely cpu bound 22:47 Fixer Calinou: on 2004 MT has better fps than MC, yet on 2011 HD6870 it has much worse one 22:47 Fixer hmmmmmm 22:47 Megaf So folks, I'd like to clone this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/0.4.14 and this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/0.4.16 22:47 Calinou yeah, Minetest has a big CPU bottleneck 22:47 Megaf no idea how tho 22:48 Calinou Megaf: https://hastebin.com/decoqunalo.txt 22:48 Calinou works for me… 22:48 sofar Megaf: clone, or "get a copy" 22:48 Calinou (I was on the "master" branch when I did this) 22:49 Fixer hitting my 100 fps cap on my base on LibertyLand 22:49 sofar Megaf: git clone $(base) ; cd minetest ; git checkout 0.4.14 22:49 Megaf I think know where the problem is 22:49 Megaf stand by 22:50 Fixer Calinou: ETS2 *cough* 22:51 Fixer fuuuuuuuu, ETS2 fail, wont start, RIP 22:52 Megaf sofar, Calinou, it works now, I was using --depth=1 when cloning, 22:52 Megaf I thouigh it would download the tag on demand when checking out 22:52 Megaf but it wontr 22:52 Megaf wont* 22:52 Fixer only 75fps in CS 1.6 how is that even possible... 22:52 sofar git fetch all 22:52 Calinou --depth=1 does not clone non-default branches, and old commits 22:52 sofar right 22:52 Calinou (but you can "git pull", at least) 22:52 Calinou (this used to not be possible!) 22:57 Fixer Calinou: black mesa is much more hard hitting, getting around 24 fps 22:58 Calinou heh, looked at Steam sales, found this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/6910/Deus_Ex_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/ 22:59 Calinou $1.39, pretty nice 22:59 Calinou you can get this mod, to make it look better: http://store.steampowered.com/app/397550/Deus_Ex_Revision/ 23:07 Fixer CMR2005, solid 60 fps on good settings 23:11 Megaf celeron55, you might find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNW3Xqtgkus 23:11 Megaf tho I know you don't like him 23:11 Megaf eevblog 23:11 Megaf "EEVblog #1027 - Implantable NeuroStimulator Teardown" 23:15 Fixer in BF2 - 35-60+ fps, playabl 23:15 Fixer e 23:16 benrob0329 Megaf: I have changed my stance on having a video stack in the kernel 23:16 Megaf why is that? 23:16 benrob0329 We already have OpenGL drivers and render interfaces for the FrameBuffer, which go largely unused 23:17 Megaf Precisely 23:17 benrob0329 They could be expanded upon, the program spawned can be changed from getty 23:18 benrob0329 (I have a program which acts like a display manager, it replaces Getty as the spawned program when you open a TTY) 23:19 Megaf we already have the whole graphical stack in the kernel 23:19 Megaf its just not used 23:19 benrob0329 I use it, to watch YouTube :P 23:19 benrob0329 I actually have MPV configured to change displays if I have my laptop hooked up to hdmi 23:21 Megaf currently Im using opengl for output and vdpau for decoding 23:21 Megaf with this nvidia GPU and proprietary driver 23:21 Megaf on my ATI laptop vdpau output works best 23:21 benrob0329 Megaf: we even have a mouse daemon 23:22 benrob0329 I use vdpau in Xorg, doesn't work for me in FB :-( 23:22 * DI3HARD139 pokes his head in while waiting for MT to load 23:22 DI3HARD139 What I miss? 23:22 Fixer Calinou: interest-ly NFS Most Wanted from 2005 barely runs at it with just 30 fps 23:22 DI3HARD139 Barely runs at what? 23:22 benrob0329 Us wanting MT to run in the FrameBuffer :P 23:22 DI3HARD139 That would be super helpful tbh 23:23 benrob0329 I mean, OpenGL works in jt 23:23 Megaf if we used Qt it'd run on FB 23:23 benrob0329 *it 23:23 benrob0329 SDL supposedly runs in the FB too 23:24 benrob0329 I mean, Libinput, GPM, DRM (the rendering interface), and OpenGL are all in the stack 23:25 benrob0329 No Xorg required 23:31 Fixer mc beta is daaaamn slow under this card 23:31 Fixer even with optifine 23:33 Fixer lets try 1.12.1 with optifine -_- 23:34 Megaf benrob0329, heck, even DOS could run 3D games... 23:34 DI3HARD139 Quick question. What would be the proper install dir for lsqlite3 when installing/building via luarocks? 23:37 Megaf OS? 23:37 DI3HARD139 Ubuntu Server 16.04.3 LTS x64 23:39 Megaf Why do you want to build using luarocks? 23:39 Megaf I dont know how that works... 23:39 Fixer not bad 23:40 sofar DI3HARD139: mine ends up as /usr/lib/lua/5.1/lsqlite3.so - but you have to make sure to get luarocks for 5.1 23:40 sofar since most distros are at 5.3 23:41 Fixer 1.12.1 on par with beta or even better 23:42 DI3HARD139 hmm..... 23:42 DI3HARD139 Wonder why it can't find sqlite3.h 23:43 sofar fairly sure luarocks want you to have it provided by an sqlite3-dev package 23:46 DI3HARD139 ah. it was libsqlite3-dev not the sqlite3 and sqlite3-dev packages 23:46 Megaf well, it cant find luajit here either 23:46 Megaf but I no longer care 23:46 Megaf for years MT's cmake fails to find stuff on Debian 23:46 DI3HARD139 and Windows* 23:47 Megaf here I had to install 3 different packages for JPEG and 2 for PNG so it could find them 23:52 benrob0329 I still have yet to understand why everyone wants to use Cmake instead of make