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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-09-22

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Time Nick Message
00:00 Shara Since when was multicraft not updating?
00:02 paramat the owner tells me that they are not going to keep up with MT after 0.4.16 because 'C++11 changes broke android' or something
00:02 paramat so it may be difficult for them to be compatible with 0.5.0
00:03 paramat or even impossible
00:05 Shara Interesting
00:06 Shara But it really means the official one is just more important
00:07 IhrFussel Off for the night, see ya :)
00:10 paramat yes, to give players a good alternative
00:58 paramat waah mommy! so many whiners in the forum :]
00:58 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=294728#p294728
01:31 paramat we need to stop these people posting mindless spam
01:32 Shara Please do.
01:32 benrob0329 paramat: I have made many suggestions for Offtopic, no one has paid attention to them
01:39 paramat i guess the reasonable offtopic is ok, just need to deal with the mindless stuff
01:40 benrob0329 paramat: Well no one said what offtopic was for, you guys just nuked it and left everyone wondering what happened
01:41 benrob0329 Instead of making the purpose of Offtopic clear, the forum moderators made it more confusing for everyone
01:41 paramat the removal of offtopic was a surprise for most core devs, 'we' didn't do it, i still don't know who did
01:42 paramat it obvious offtopic is for reasonable offtopic, and it's obvious that mindless spam is not welcome
01:42 benrob0329 Well I suppose I assumed you were a forum moderator, to make it more clear the forum mods did
01:42 benrob0329 but nothing suggests that
01:42 sofar lol, I didn't know, but, it doesn't matter imho, as long as bans for excessive offtopic do not happen, it's gonna stay like this
01:43 benrob0329 I don't even know what offtopic is anymore
01:43 benrob0329 and I usually hang out in the offtopic section of forums
01:43 Aerozoic I rarely browse the forum but looking at it now there is clearly an Off topic section but in that section is an "on-topic" subsection. WTF?
01:43 rubenwardy the offtopic forums should be merged into one, and a guideline posted
01:43 paramat most of it is reasonable
01:44 benrob0329 Offtopic should be renamed to something that suggests laid back, but still meaningful discussion
01:44 paramat some topics are just mindless though, and there are certain individuals, MineYoshi, BBmine, azekill etc. who need to be dealt with
01:45 benrob0329 and guidelines posted to be loosely followed
01:45 Aerozoic Looks like crazyness to me. I've never seen a forum without an offtopic. Why should it be so highly regulated?
01:45 benrob0329 It shouldn't be, it shouldn't have to be at least.
01:45 benrob0329 but mindless spam is going to happen if there is no rhyme or reason as to why it is like it is
01:46 paramat https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?p=261518&f=54#p261518
01:46 benrob0329 I have seen some very high quality offtopic sections, they are never named offtopic
01:46 paramat "s***posting (in "Offtopic", or anywhere else for that matter) will be removed without warning, and may result in bans."
01:46 Shara what benrob0329 said really
01:47 benrob0329 so...posting the rules in the "on topic" section of offtopic means everyone is going to see them?
01:47 paramat " the offtopic forums should be merged into one, and a guideline posted" yes
01:47 Shara Agreed
01:47 benrob0329 I don't know what to post, where to post, or how to act in offtopic anymore
01:49 paramat well the 'on topic' title is a joke by c55
01:49 benrob0329 its confusing
01:49 paramat all subforums are under the one master branch 'offtopic' so it's clear
01:50 benrob0329 or maybe, "The Water Cooler" or "The Lounge"
01:50 paramat but yes we need to merge them and remove the joke subforum titles
01:50 benrob0329 something that implies laid back, but not necessarily way off in left field posts
01:53 paramat yeah
01:53 benrob0329 then a Section topic to solidify that
01:56 sofar it's the meta-conversations that are distructive
01:58 paramat VanessaE if you're about, 2 topics to bin https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=56&t=17673 and https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=56&t=18516
02:02 paramat i'd make an excellent moderator :D low tolerance
02:06 Aerozoic tolerance is a good thing
02:06 rubenwardy whilst those topics are blatently awful
02:07 rubenwardy it's better to be somewhat tolerant, to stop stiffling of conversation
02:07 Shara balance is the good thing :)
02:07 rubenwardy exactly
02:11 paramat yeah of course, half joking
02:12 benrob0329 Balance is good, but the spam posts hurt forums
02:13 paramat however anything like those 2 topics i would close
02:13 benrob0329 We need a sub section for games
02:13 benrob0329 One for "The Lounge" and a sub for forum games
02:13 Shara Balance to me is give fair warnings to make sure they are informed, and if the warnings aren't heeded, then act as you have said you will
02:13 paramat yes
02:13 Shara Now meaningful follow up on warnings leads to warnings not meaning anything and getting ignored
02:14 Shara No*
02:15 paramat mindless nonsense is not allowable i feel, they can do that elsewhere
02:15 benrob0329 I would agree
02:16 benrob0329 If it was a post once in a while that was questionable in depth, I think it'd be ok to allow it. But currently its leaking into the rest of the forums
02:21 Aerozoic Am i the only one that thinks this entire conversation is ridiculous?
02:25 benrob0329 Aerozoic: talking about how we can make the offtopic section less off topic? Yes, yes it is
02:25 benrob0329 But its necessary

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