Time Nick Message 00:47 benrob0329 People want to get rid of light leak? noo, I was using it... 00:47 Megaf benrob0329, so comment there... 00:47 benrob0329 I'm going to 00:47 Shara :) 00:48 benrob0329 Do @mentions still work if there is a comma right after it, or do I need a space? 00:51 benrob0329 they work with the comma 00:52 garywhite Does anyone remember a while back I did my MT survey? 00:53 benrob0329 I do not, but I'm not always on 00:55 garywhite Cause I'm doing it again since it's been I think nearly a year, so if anyone would like to participate, let me know, basically I gather basic information such as OS & location (continent), then what changes you think should be made 00:56 benrob0329 garywhite: I would be happy to 00:56 benrob0329 Clearly my opinion is the only one that matters, though :PP 00:57 garywhite I'll just leave the link here https://goo.gl/forms/tTFmug2RUbLvEgfq2 01:01 * Megaf clicks 01:01 * benrob0329 submits 01:01 Megaf I'm quite sure I did the last one 01:02 Megaf done 01:02 garywhite thanks 01:08 benrob0329 Could some server owners comment on https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6111 ? 01:13 Megaf Ok, I have just decided to update my server 01:14 Megaf I wonder if my old mods will still work with a current subgame 01:24 benrob0329 (Offtopic) I don't quite know what to call this meme, but I like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWeOrAimy6k 07:59 srifqi Anybody knows why formspec doesn't show 1.2 but 1.200123blahblahblah ? 08:04 shivajiva hmm because your not truncating the value? 08:09 srifqi But, how do I know the value? I mean, I can't just truncating 1.6999blahblah to 1.6. 12:16 tenplus1 hi folks 12:17 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139 12:18 DI3HARD139 Hello tenplus1 12:19 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated (fixed donut recipe), Mobs Redo API updated (knockback working a-ok) 12:20 tenplus1 also uses 'knockback' group on tools now for custom kb values :D 12:20 tenplus1 same as playerplus' player knockback 12:22 tenplus1 hi thomas 12:22 ThomasMonroe hi ten 12:23 tenplus1 o/ 12:34 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:32:58: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "module" accessed at /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/ltn12.lua:14 12:34 ThomasMonroe what in the world does that mean? 12:34 tenplus1 which mod you using ? 12:35 ThomasMonroe economy 12:35 ThomasMonroe i'll try to disable it 12:36 tenplus1 no line reference for economy mod, hard to track what's causing it 12:38 Raven262 Hi tenplus1 12:38 tenplus1 hi raven 12:39 shivajiva Hi folks, isn't that caused by irc mod? ;) 12:39 tenplus1 hi shiva 12:39 ThomasMonroe tenplus1: 2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]: /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: attempt to index local 'deserialize' (a nil value) 12:39 shivajiva or rather the presence of luasocket 12:40 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]: /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: in main chunk 12:40 tenplus1 if I remember you had this issue before with same mod 12:40 tenplus1 a file not found and no nil check 12:41 Raven262 Hi shivajiva 12:41 ThomasMonroe ooh ok i think i know what to do now 12:41 ThomasMonroe it was a corrupted file 12:41 * Raven262 is here to say hi to people. 12:42 tenplus1 :P 12:43 shivajiva doesn't match orwell96's version when you check the line numbers 12:44 tenplus1 I think thomas uses a custom fork 12:44 shivajiva me too 12:45 tenplus1 line 79 onward is where the error occurs in orwells version 12:46 Shara Hello 12:46 ThomasMonroe hmm Nate may have messed with it, idk 12:46 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! 12:47 tenplus1 economy should be ported to the new player attribute setup, would be easier to handle then separate files 12:47 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: [Main]: Using game specified by --gameid on the command line 12:47 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: NodeDefManager: Ignoring CONTENT_IGNORE redefinition 12:47 Raven262 hi Shara 12:47 ThomasMonroe those are the first three lines 12:47 tenplus1 hi shara 12:47 shivajiva it checks the file so I wonder why it ends up nil 12:48 tenplus1 file not found usually 12:48 shivajiva L74 caters for that possibility 12:48 tenplus1 yeah, but has an else 12:49 tenplus1 that leads to: local deserialize=minetest.deserialize(file:read("*a")) 12:49 tenplus1 where another issue may lie 12:50 shivajiva then we can assume it's unable to deserialise the contents 12:50 shivajiva Hi Shara ;) 12:52 shivajiva think I'd check the type returned to catch that 12:54 shivajiva xban2 makes me laugh, it just kills the file by creating a fresh one and you lose all the data if it can't deserialize the file 12:54 tenplus1 external files *shudder* 12:55 shivajiva it's quite seamless, all of a sudden banned players start arriving 12:55 Shara I've been through that way too many times 12:56 shivajiva not any more though :P 12:57 Shara It seems not :P 12:57 Shara This is probably fixing one of my biggest headaches on the server 12:58 shivajiva I added the record display limit, just needs debugging 13:02 Shara Good :) 13:02 Shara I'll keep thinking about any other potential problems 13:03 shivajiva for those not aware, I've crafted a new ban mod that uses sql for the db and provides a lot more info in a controlled way dependant on the privs you have. Should be released in the next few days, preliminary testing looks good... 13:03 tenplus1 :PPPP 13:05 Jordach call it xban3 13:05 Jordach Kappa 13:05 tenplus1 hi Jordach 13:05 shivajiva no timers, no holding tables in memory, it has potential 13:06 shivajiva seems unfair to xban2 to hijack the name 13:07 tenplus1 Xban Redo ;PP 13:07 shivajiva it would keep the commands the same if I use xban in the name 13:07 Jordach shivajiva, XxBansxX 13:08 shivajiva LOL 13:08 Jordach >doing IT course 13:08 Jordach >MBSA taking three fucking years to do something 13:09 shivajiva I hate players who use that in their names, you'll survive Jordach 13:09 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMtXra3zGA0 13:10 shivajiva is Kaeza still about? 13:10 Jordach i can prod his ass on messenger 13:10 Jordach (not like that) 13:10 shivajiva I'd like to ask him if he has any issues with me calling it xban3 13:11 shivajiva your words xD 13:11 Jordach http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/087/107/d6a.jpg 13:12 Shara shivajiva: If I have to change back to using the x in the commands now my moderators will get too confused 13:12 shivajiva lol okay, the commands stay the same then 13:14 shivajiva importers are included for xban2 and ipban.txt so transitioning isn't difficult 13:14 shivajiva Hi RobbieF o/ 13:15 tenplus1 hi robbie 13:16 Shara It is actually better to have it using /ban than /xban, since it removes any confusion between which ban command to use 13:16 Shara Hi RobbieF 13:17 shivajiva yea 13:18 Fixer shivajiva: nice 13:18 tenplus1 hi fixer 13:19 Fixer hi 13:20 shivajiva heh ty Fixer 13:20 Jordach >disconnects from remote session 13:20 Jordach >systems re-imaged 13:20 Jordach ffffffffffffffff 13:24 RobbieF HEY Shara! 13:25 RobbieF Hey shivajiva & tenplus1! 13:25 RobbieF how are ya'll? 13:25 Shara RobbieF: Where have you been?!! 13:25 Shara It's good to see you :) 13:25 shivajiva lol good thanks 13:25 tenplus1 good robbie, how's things ? 13:27 RobbieF Shara - 10th anniversary at Category5 next week - been unbelievably busy preparing (while still doing my usual busy stuff) 13:27 RobbieF good to see you as well 13:27 RobbieF doing very well thanks ten 13:28 Shara Ohhh, good to hear it's time spent on something big and interesting then :) 13:34 RobbieF :) 13:34 RobbieF oh and add NEMS 1.3 to that list :p 13:34 tenplus1 ooh, nice one :D 13:36 CWz i wonder if linux live cd could be booted on tablet 13:36 RobbieF I'm working with a hardware developer on a NEMS appliance as well. 13:36 RobbieF should have my first sample on Monday 13:36 tenplus1 hi CWz, that would be great.. am sure it could using arm kernel 13:38 CWz The legend of the arm kernel is out hunting arms since he lost his in the war 13:38 tenplus1 lol 13:45 DI3HARD139 @CWz it's possible if the the bootloader is built for arm. 13:45 CWz hmmm 14:18 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1898 14:36 tenplus1 hi Krock 14:36 Krock hi tenplus1 14:36 Krock heh.. almost forgot to check against your name in the userlist ;) 14:36 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1898 14:50 * rdococ shows Krock a concave triangle, and a 4-sided hexagon 14:50 * Krock takes and burns them 14:50 tenplus1 lol 14:52 * rdococ shows Krock an orientable mobius strip and a sphere whose surface has Euclidean geometry, along with an octonion describing a four-dimensional rotation 14:53 tenplus1 hi fussel 14:54 Krock rdococ, impressive stuff. Please draw me a geometrical structure to represent the square root of -25 14:56 * rdococ shows Krock a manifold in Hilbert space 14:56 * tenplus1 draws -5 with a hat on 14:56 IhrFussel Hello tenplus1 & others :D 14:56 * rdococ scribbles out the -5 and writes 5i 14:57 * Krock scribbles out the 5i and writes ±5i 14:57 * tenplus1 scribbles out the ±5i and draws a cat 14:58 Krock cute! 14:58 Krock http://i.imgur.com/qX53yd8.gifv 14:58 * rdococ scribbles out the cat and writes the non-unit quaternion 0 + 5i + 0j + 0k 14:58 tenplus1 lol 14:58 rdococ lol 14:59 * rdococ hugs Krock 15:00 DI3HARD139 Quick question. Anyone else having issues with Homedecor and an the "table expected, got nil" error from 'ipairs'? 15:00 tenplus1 I dont use latest homedecor, only lite edition... sorry 15:01 tenplus1 you got a line for the error ? 15:03 Krock DI3HARD139, git pull and pastebin the error so we can help you 15:04 rdococ try tracing the table back in the code if you want to... 15:04 rdococ it's something I do sometimes 15:05 * tenplus1 makes noms 15:09 * rdococ eats noms 15:09 tenplus1 noms haven't defrosted yet :P 15:09 rdococ yay for frozen noms 15:10 tenplus1 hehe 15:11 tenplus1 wb raven 15:12 tenplus1 am gonna watch "The Man From Planet X (1951)"... sci=-fi binge 15:13 Raven262 thx ten 15:39 rdococ yey 15:39 * rdococ eats the noms now 15:42 Krock how about if you food food in a town called food? 15:42 * rdococ explodes 15:48 tenplus1 food'ception 15:53 DI3HARD139 Sorry. Was afk for a few mins. https://pastebin.com/zatVmykQ 15:53 DI3HARD139 Can use gdb if needed 15:55 tenplus1 are you using latest homedecor modpack ??? 15:56 DI3HARD139 Indeed I am. I also tried the 0.4.16 release 15:57 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 15:57 DI3HARD139 Hello Darcidride 16:00 tenplus1 so homedecor is trying to remove tar block frommoreblocks and use the one from building blocks instead which is causing issue with stairsplus 16:01 tenplus1 tbh I'd comment out the entire 'for _, i in ipairs(stairsplus.shapes_list) do' to the registered alias 7 lines down 16:01 tenplus1 and register the stairs for the already in use moreblocks version of tar 16:05 DI3HARD139 Wonderful! Thanks tenplus1 16:06 tenplus1 16:10 DI3HARD139 Works perfectly 16:11 Darcidride Hi everyone 16:16 tenplus1 o/ 16:16 tenplus1 glad to hear DI3HARD139 :) 16:17 DI3HARD139 Thanks again :) 16:18 tenplus1 hi nrz 16:30 nerzhul hi tenplus1 16:35 xerox123 hello 16:35 tenplus1 hi xerox 16:37 unk hi tenplus1 and thank you...everything seems to be working now 16:37 rdococ xeroaks 16:39 tenplus1 glad to hear :) 16:39 tenplus1 try out the new knockback :) that's working well too... 16:49 rdococ yay for puppies! 16:50 rdococ is anyone interested in a werewolf subgame I was planning? 16:50 rdococ tenplus1 == eleven 16:50 tenplus1 *howls* 16:52 rdococ oh, right, people probably don't know what I mean 16:52 rdococ lol 16:53 rdococ in a game of werewolf (though there are many flavours), there are usually a pack of 'werewolves', and a group of 'villagers', and the villagers, with help from special roles, try to find and vote out the wolves 16:54 Shara I'd be curious to see how you made it work 16:54 rdococ depending, again, on the exact flavour you're playing, someone being voted out (suspected as a werewolf by the majority of the village, basically) could either mean jailing or full-on hanging 16:54 tenplus1 gotta shoot them with silver bullets, if you shoot villager you're out 16:54 rdococ I haven't started yet, though 16:55 rdococ I've actually played two favours of the game online (well, three, but one wasn't to my taste). one is on IRC, and the other is on Roblox. 16:56 rdococ s/fav/flav/ 16:56 rdococ I was thinking of creating a version on minetest 16:57 rdococ oh, and each night, the werewolves vote on someone to hunt 16:57 rdococ though, again, it depends on the version you play 17:00 Shara My worry would be - what happens to the players who are out? Kind of boring for them 17:00 rdococ there may be a lobby with parkour and stuff 17:00 rdococ my idea is that there would be a lobby, which would have things to occupy players who are out 17:02 rdococ then there would be a daytime town area, for voting other players out. night could either be done with buildings inside the town area, or a separate resting place-ish area 17:02 rdococ either way, at night, the players should be teleported, and nametags hidden 17:03 tenplus1 lolol, nice one krock 17:06 tenplus1 tried a wild pepe image, didnt work :D 17:06 Krock it must look as realistic as possible 17:24 tenplus1 wb cwz 17:24 CWz hey 17:28 rdococ woof 17:29 tenplus1 wb robbie 17:33 rdococ yay 18:00 tenplus1 hi ssieb 18:07 ssieb hi 18:13 tenplus1 hi lisac 18:14 lisac Hey tenplus1 18:16 tenplus1 wb raven 18:16 Raven262 thx again ten 18:25 rdococ yay for puppies 18:25 tenplus1 more puppies ? 18:26 * rdococ explodes into a billion puppies 18:27 tenplus1 nooooooo, puppy-geddon!!! 18:28 * tenplus1 is using Gnumeric and it's a LOT faster then LibreOffice when editing ?!?! what gives ?!?! 18:31 sofar it's part of the ergonomics plugin, you need to work slower and take more breaks :) 18:31 tenplus1 heh, hi sofar 18:33 tenplus1 has anyone ever ysed the Calligra (koffice) suite ? 18:46 rdococ puppies 18:50 * rdococ hugs tenplus1 18:56 tenplus1 wb gary 18:58 tenplus1 wb Krock 18:58 garywhite thx 18:59 Krock lolwat garywhite 18:59 garywhite ? 19:00 Krock nvm, seen the logs. Ty tenplus1, although I have no idea why this just happened 19:00 tenplus1 you got kicked ? 19:01 Krock did I? 19:01 tenplus1 nah, just wondering... ppl timing out a lot here 19:02 Krock happened on all connected IRC servers, so I suppose it was just a router thingy 19:16 rdococ router hugs 19:16 * rdococ hugs Krock 19:19 Krock k 19:33 tenplus1 nite folks :)) 19:34 Krock nite... 19:35 CalebDavis hi Aerozoic 19:36 Aerozoic wazup CalebDavis 19:36 rdococ puppies 19:58 KaadmY puppers <3 19:58 KaadmY doggos <3 20:00 Fixer poopers 20:13 Calinou hi 20:23 paramat eh, not enough doom/quake talk :] 20:27 paramat anyway, Calinou and others, please reduce doom/quake chat here or take it to #minetest (chit chat goes to minetest remember) thanks 20:34 Calinou paramat: that's strange? 20:34 Calinou I thought on-topic chat went to #minetest 20:34 Calinou and off-topic to #minetest-hub 20:34 Calinou it seems more logical to me 20:35 Calinou also, when I chat about off-topic things here, I don't do it to impede on-topic conversations here 20:37 paramat see http://hub.minetest.net/info 20:39 paramat it's not an offtopic channel at all. minetest has always been the place for chit chat and offtopic, -dev header used to state "chit chat goes to #minetest" 20:40 paramat it's weird how some think this channel is offtopic, maybe because they see the huge amount of offtopic chat here and assume :] 20:45 rdococ where is -dev anyway? 20:47 paramat but of course, moderate amounts of offtopic, humour and doughnut talk is encouraged here 20:48 * Shara starts paying attention 20:48 Shara paramat, you have doughnuts for us, did you say? 20:48 paramat #minetest-dev is here on freenode 20:49 paramat hehe, erm .. 20:49 rdococ well, duh 21:01 Fixer minetest-hub was renamed to ID-hub 21:09 Fixer *,,,,,,*/ 21:09 Fixer also, fuck dropbox for broken links 21:36 Shara Getting so tired of players telling me they've paid for ad removal on their apps because official Android MT is worse than the apps. 21:36 Shara Why is this??? 21:36 sfan5 nobody wants to work on the android app 21:37 Shara Yet how many devs have worked on some of those apps? 21:38 Shara It's ridiculous. 21:43 Krock it's ridiculous that those who would be interested in working on the app aren't into open-source or contributing 21:43 Shara I simply don't want someone else making money from the server I run and pay for. 21:43 Shara I don't run it for that. 21:45 sofar hmmm 21:47 IhrFussel Minetest will NEVER have an official iOS app, so we will never get those users to use the right app 21:47 Shara It's happening with android players as well, Fussel 21:47 IhrFussel Yes but most of my mobile players use iPhone or iPad 21:48 Shara I just walked an Android player through how to get the official app, and after a bit he said the controls were so bad he'd prefer to switch back and pay 21:48 Shara It's not the first time this has happened. 21:48 Shara Always the same reason - the controls are bad/difficult 21:48 IhrFussel Actually it's just the movement that's stupid in the app...it uses arrows instead of a joystick like most other apps do 21:50 IhrFussel It's extremely difficult to walk left/right cause the arrow buttons are so close by 21:50 Shara Is that the only problem? 21:51 IhrFussel Pretty much...all other buttons are necessary (jump, sneak) ... plus most 3rd party apps don't have the debug menu or noclip/fast 21:52 IhrFussel Maybe you could also improve the way you open the chat/inventory/drop stuff 21:52 Shara I am assuming these are on screen, touch-screen type "buttons"? 21:52 IhrFussel Yes virtual touch butttons...one sec 21:52 Shara I wish I knew more about app development, because if it's just two buttons being too close together, it doesn't sound difficult to fix 21:54 IhrFussel Shara, https://goo.gl/images/zuKfYf 21:55 Shara Thanks Fussel 21:55 Shara I don't even know if I have anything capable of running it to test on 21:56 IhrFussel It's from github, I looked for the latest interface (0.4.16) 21:56 Shara Question is what's bad about this, that isn't bad on apps? 21:56 IhrFussel Older Android versions looked worse but the arrows were always the same 21:57 Shara other apps* 21:57 IhrFussel The problem is that you can not precisely press the direction buttons most of the time...other clone apps replaced the arrows by a virtual joystick that you can simply hold in the direction you want to go 21:58 IhrFussel 360° movement 21:58 Shara And is there any reason, beyond no one feeling like working on it, that the official app can't have such a thing? 21:59 IhrFussel I'm guessing no core dev who's actually interested in working on Android knows how to do that 21:59 IhrFussel And I imagine it to be a lot more complicated compared to 4 simple buttons 21:59 Shara It's kind of sad, given that it's how so many players are using the game 22:00 IhrFussel Core devs could look at Multicraft's code which actually adds that joystick I think 22:01 Shara From a player on my server: "I hope MineTest change joystick because when I want walk is hard" 22:02 Shara So if any devs ever feel up to this, you'd make some players very happy. 22:02 paramat yeah i agree it's a crazy situation, we've been looking for someone to work on the official app 22:02 Aerozoic look sensitivity is also high 22:03 Shara paramat: Looking or wishing someone would turn up? :) 22:03 IhrFussel Shara, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LSv-GAE6DLP51tKCV404IkoZFliuIKdOt3gCavkY1P4skXGVeomOZK9irvl8YTQdABNy=h310 22:03 IhrFussel This is what Multicraft's UI looks like 22:04 paramat i've asked in the forums, had someone sort of interested but they disappeared 22:04 paramat if i was good with android code i'd add the joystick 22:05 Shara I've only done some very basic android apps, nothing even close to this 22:05 IhrFussel You could "copy" the Multicraft code or not? I mean not steal 1:1 just the basic idea of how to implement it 22:05 Shara And I have no easy way to test if I try to do something 22:05 paramat it seems MT core devs don't care about mobile devices, except sapier, maybe we can ask him 22:07 Aerozoic still now mobile MT 4.16 either 22:07 Aerozoic still no* 22:07 Shara paramat: the problem is that the number of mobile players is getting pretty high 22:07 paramat if i coded joystick i would have to cluelessly copy paste from an app, which is not a good way to develop, and maybe would break app licenses? not sure. maybe we could ask MoNTE48 for permission for code? 22:08 sofar monte gave permission for us to use his code 22:08 sofar someone just has to do it 22:09 paramat yes exactly, mobile users affect servers a lot 22:09 paramat ah 22:10 Aerozoic Oh i installed from F-droid which only has 4.15. Looks like google has 4.16 22:11 Shara Looks like F-droid isn't kept up to date 22:12 Shara But I send players to Google anyway 22:12 Aerozoic Yea F-droid has to be manually installed. Not for kids. 22:14 Shara More from the same player: "Arrows on joystick is very small to, and arrow to up is confused" 22:14 Shara Seems to confirm what Fussel explained. 22:14 Aerozoic So that circle in bottom left of multicraft makes you walk wherever you put your thumb? 22:15 IhrFussel Aerozoic, yes, I'm currently looking for the src code that implements the virtual joystick 22:16 paramat Shara maybe you could add an issue saying what you said here, asking for virtual joystick control, then we can tag sapier, and maybe we can copy across multicraft code? 22:16 Aerozoic I came across multicraft's github a few weeks ago, idk how i found it 22:17 Aerozoic Although i think you meant within the code specifically for the joystick, lol. yeah good luck! 22:17 Shara paramat: Hmm, is there no issue about android control problems yet? 22:18 paramat looking 22:18 Shara I'll make one if not, but I'm surprised if there's not one yet 22:18 paramat probably is 22:19 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1750 heh oldest android issue 22:19 paramat 3 years 22:19 paramat typical :] 22:19 Shara Hmm, yes 22:21 paramat android dev interest has been so low since sapier left we have almost considered dropping it, but probably won't 22:21 paramat maybe add comments to 1750? 22:21 Aerozoic Is sapier aka Loic? 22:22 paramat no 22:22 paramat erm 22:22 paramat no not nerzhul 22:24 IhrFussel The Multicraft creator even offered help back then...a shame that nobody motivated him 22:24 Aerozoic oh XD my bad :P 22:24 paramat i can ask him again 22:24 Shara paramat: that would be good, if you can 22:25 paramat i'll email him about it 22:25 Aerozoic multicraft is what's left of the freeminer fork right? 22:25 paramat no 22:26 IhrFussel I think the app is just called "Multicraft - Freeminer" 22:27 paramat there are several 'multicrafts', we mean the main one https://github.com/MultiCraftProject/MultiCraft 22:27 Aerozoic Yeah the name is what made me think that. 22:28 Shara Thanks, paramat 22:31 IhrFussel The app is this one or not? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.MultiCraft 22:31 paramat oh hehe it does say freeminer 22:32 paramat yes that one, links to the github page 22:32 IhrFussel Well it says "Free Miner" 22:32 paramat they really shouldn't use 'freeminer', however freeminer is now shut down 22:33 paramat i guess they mean 'free miner' 22:33 IhrFussel I think they mean "a miner app that's free" 22:40 paramat ok sent email 22:41 Shara :) 22:46 paramat anyone know where the android control code is? 22:46 sfan5 touchscreengui.cpp 22:49 paramat thanks 22:50 paramat duh it was obvious :} 22:51 rdococ_ heh 22:54 paramat hm i'm tempted to just stick multicraft code in there but it won't be that simple, sfan5 is ideal for this job i'll ask 22:55 sfan5 you can't, license conflict 22:55 sfan5 also the assets 22:56 paramat ok, someone said we were allowed to use ther code, let's see what monte says 22:56 IhrFussel I honestly don't see where the virtual joystick is defined 22:56 paramat *their 22:57 IhrFussel Could it be in Java? 22:57 sfan5 no it's not in java 22:57 sfan5 paramat: since he himself changed to license to lgplv3 (with the nice side effect of no code reuse possible) i doubt it 22:58 paramat meh 22:58 sfan5 honestly you just need someone to fix the controls to suck less, it's not that complicated 22:58 IhrFussel But he could tell us how to do it without using his exact code 22:59 IhrFussel The joystick is the biggest problem 22:59 sfan5 >how to do it 22:59 sfan5 joysticks aren't rocket science 22:59 sfan5 a competent dev can implement this in their sleep 22:59 paramat anyway, i feel bad for server owners due to the unofficial forks, this seems to be a critical problem with open source multiplayer games 22:59 paramat not easy for me though, i wouldn't have a clue how to 23:00 paramat ok sfan can you do it in bed tonight? :] 23:01 sfan5 i know you're joking but i can't be bothered no 23:01 paramat but, you're probably busy dreaming 23:03 IhrFussel I found this https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-joystick-android/blob/master/README.md 23:05 paramat yeah i don't blame you sfan 23:09 IhrFussel This is the actual joystick code https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-joystick-android/blob/master/virtualjoystick/src/main/java/io/github/controlwear/virtual/joystick/android/JoystickView.java 23:09 paramat oh besides, i couldn't test, so i can't work on it 23:10 shivajiva I can't tell if sfan5 is saying he's not competent enough to do it, or trying to berate paramat's efforts, when he can't be bothered himself. Funny how this stuff comes across to the onlooker :) 23:11 sfan5 neither 23:11 rubenwardy at least the engine code is useful by pc users too 23:11 rubenwardy i dont want to work on something that would solely be ripped by all the forks 23:11 rubenwardy and monetised 23:13 Shara Problem is servers are basically being monetised because the official is so bad that Android players don't want to use it 23:13 shivajiva ergo parts of minetest development is controlled by the forks ability to monetise the work 23:16 shivajiva shame really 23:19 paramat well, most players will use the fork apps anyway even if the official one is good, just because there are so many of them, and many mobile players are clueless to quality or 'officiality' or don't care 23:19 paramat however the official one should be improved of course 23:19 paramat it should be the best really 23:19 Shara Most (who are not really young) will switch when confronted about it, which is what happens on my server when they complain about ads 23:20 paramat the forks tend to be more sloppy 23:20 paramat good to hear 23:20 paramat i'll PM lordironspatula again in the forum, or whoever it was .. 23:25 paramat oops, it was 'lordfingle' 23:32 paramat PM sent 23:51 rubenwardy however, 0.5 might negate this 23:51 rubenwardy as most Android clients likely won't update 23:53 paramat i hope they won't but expect they will :] 23:53 paramat however multicraft is not adding 0.5 changes so 23:53 rubenwardy I am tempted to make my own ethical clone 23:53 paramat if so, why not work on the official one? 23:55 paramat i guess, more freedom to make it different 23:58 paramat hm and multicraft has had > 1000,000 downloads (!) so since they're not updating to 0.5 that will be significant