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00:47 benrob0329 People want to get rid of light leak? noo, I was using it...
00:47 Megaf benrob0329, so comment there...
00:47 benrob0329 I'm going to
00:47 Shara :)
00:48 benrob0329 Do @mentions still work if there is a comma right after it, or do I need a space?
00:51 benrob0329 they work with the comma
00:52 garywhite Does anyone remember a while back I did my MT survey?
00:53 benrob0329 I do not, but I'm not always on
00:55 garywhite Cause I'm doing it again since it's been I think nearly a year, so if anyone would like to participate, let me know, basically I gather basic information such as OS & location (continent), then what changes you think should be made
00:56 benrob0329 garywhite: I would be happy to
00:56 benrob0329 Clearly my opinion is the only one that matters, though :PP
00:57 garywhite I'll just leave the link here https://goo.gl/forms/tTFmug2RUbLvEgfq2
01:01 * Megaf clicks
01:01 * benrob0329 submits
01:01 Megaf I'm quite sure I did the last one
01:02 Megaf done
01:02 garywhite thanks
01:08 benrob0329 Could some server owners comment on https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6111 ?
01:13 Megaf Ok, I have just decided to update my server
01:14 Megaf I wonder if my old mods will still work with a current subgame
01:24 benrob0329 (Offtopic) I don't quite know what to call this meme, but I like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWeOrAimy6k
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07:59 srifqi Anybody knows why formspec doesn't show 1.2 but 1.200123blahblahblah ?
08:04 shivajiva hmm because your not truncating the value?
08:09 srifqi But, how do I know the value? I mean, I can't just truncating 1.6999blahblah to 1.6.
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12:16 tenplus1 hi folks
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12:17 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
12:18 DI3HARD139 Hello tenplus1
12:19 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated (fixed donut recipe), Mobs Redo API updated (knockback working a-ok)
12:20 tenplus1 also uses 'knockback' group on tools now for custom kb values :D
12:20 tenplus1 same as playerplus' player knockback
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12:22 tenplus1 hi thomas
12:22 ThomasMonroe hi ten
12:23 tenplus1 o/
12:34 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:32:58: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "module" accessed at /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/ltn12.lua:14
12:34 ThomasMonroe what in the world does that mean?
12:34 tenplus1 which mod you using ?
12:35 ThomasMonroe economy
12:35 ThomasMonroe i'll try to disable it
12:36 tenplus1 no line reference for economy mod, hard to track what's causing it
12:38 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
12:38 tenplus1 hi raven
12:39 shivajiva Hi folks, isn't that caused by irc mod? ;)
12:39 tenplus1 hi shiva
12:39 ThomasMonroe tenplus1: 2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]: /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master​_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: attempt to index local 'deserialize' (a nil value)
12:39 shivajiva or rather the presence of luasocket
12:40 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]:       /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master​_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: in main chunk
12:40 tenplus1 if I remember you had this issue before with same mod
12:40 tenplus1 a file not found and no nil check
12:41 Raven262 Hi shivajiva
12:41 ThomasMonroe ooh ok i think i know what to do now
12:41 ThomasMonroe it was a corrupted file
12:41 * Raven262 is here to say hi to people.
12:42 tenplus1 :P
12:43 shivajiva doesn't match orwell96's version when you check the line numbers
12:44 tenplus1 I think thomas uses a custom fork
12:44 shivajiva me too
12:45 tenplus1 line 79 onward is where the error occurs in orwells version
12:46 Shara Hello
12:46 ThomasMonroe hmm Nate may have messed with it, idk
12:46 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory!
12:47 tenplus1 economy should be ported to the new player attribute setup, would be easier to handle then separate files
12:47 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: [Main]: Using game specified by --gameid on the command line
12:47 ThomasMonroe 2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: NodeDefManager: Ignoring CONTENT_IGNORE redefinition
12:47 Raven262 hi Shara
12:47 ThomasMonroe those are the first three lines
12:47 tenplus1 hi shara
12:47 shivajiva it checks the file so I wonder why it ends up nil
12:48 tenplus1 file not found usually
12:48 shivajiva L74 caters for that possibility
12:48 tenplus1 yeah, but has an else
12:49 tenplus1 that leads to: local deserialize=minetest.deserialize(file:read("*a"))
12:49 tenplus1 where another issue may lie
12:50 shivajiva then we can assume it's unable to deserialise the contents
12:50 shivajiva Hi Shara ;)
12:52 shivajiva think I'd check the type returned to catch that
12:54 shivajiva xban2 makes me laugh, it just kills the file by creating a fresh one and you lose all the data if it can't deserialize the file
12:54 tenplus1 external files *shudder*
12:55 shivajiva it's quite seamless, all of a sudden banned players start arriving
12:55 Shara I've been through that way too many times
12:56 shivajiva not any more though :P
12:57 Shara It seems not :P
12:57 Shara This is probably fixing one of my biggest headaches on the server
12:58 shivajiva I added the record display limit, just needs debugging
13:02 Shara Good :)
13:02 Shara I'll keep thinking about any other potential problems
13:03 shivajiva for those not aware, I've crafted a new ban mod that uses sql for the db and provides a lot more info in a controlled way dependant on the privs you have. Should be released in the next few days, preliminary testing looks good...
13:03 tenplus1 :PPPP
13:05 Jordach call it xban3
13:05 Jordach Kappa
13:05 tenplus1 hi Jordach
13:05 shivajiva no timers, no holding tables in memory, it has potential
13:06 shivajiva seems unfair to xban2 to hijack the name
13:07 tenplus1 Xban Redo ;PP
13:07 shivajiva it would keep the commands the same if I use xban in the name
13:07 Jordach shivajiva, XxBansxX
13:08 shivajiva LOL
13:08 Jordach >doing IT course
13:08 Jordach >MBSA taking three fucking years to do something
13:09 shivajiva I hate players who use that in their names, you'll survive Jordach
13:09 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMtXra3zGA0
13:10 shivajiva is Kaeza still about?
13:10 Jordach i can prod his ass on messenger
13:10 Jordach (not like that)
13:10 shivajiva I'd like to ask him if he has any issues with me calling it xban3
13:11 shivajiva your words xD
13:11 Jordach http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima​ges/facebook/001/087/107/d6a.jpg
13:12 Shara shivajiva: If I have to change back to using the x in the commands now my moderators will get too confused
13:12 shivajiva lol okay, the commands stay the same then
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13:14 shivajiva importers are included for xban2 and ipban.txt so transitioning isn't difficult
13:14 shivajiva Hi RobbieF o/
13:15 tenplus1 hi robbie
13:16 Shara It is actually better to have it using /ban than /xban, since it removes any confusion between which ban command to use
13:16 Shara Hi RobbieF
13:17 shivajiva yea
13:18 Fixer shivajiva: nice
13:18 tenplus1 hi fixer
13:19 Fixer hi
13:20 shivajiva heh ty Fixer
13:20 Jordach >disconnects from remote session
13:20 Jordach >systems re-imaged
13:20 Jordach ffffffffffffffff
13:24 RobbieF HEY Shara!
13:25 RobbieF Hey shivajiva & tenplus1!
13:25 RobbieF how are ya'll?
13:25 Shara RobbieF: Where have you been?!!
13:25 Shara It's good to see you :)
13:25 shivajiva lol good thanks
13:25 tenplus1 good robbie, how's things ?
13:27 RobbieF Shara - 10th anniversary at Category5 next week - been unbelievably busy preparing (while still doing my usual busy stuff)
13:27 RobbieF good to see you as well
13:27 RobbieF doing very well thanks ten
13:28 Shara Ohhh, good to hear it's time spent on something big and interesting then :)
13:34 RobbieF :)
13:34 RobbieF oh and add NEMS 1.3 to that list  :p
13:34 tenplus1 ooh, nice one :D
13:36 CWz i wonder if linux live cd could be booted on tablet
13:36 RobbieF I'm working with a hardware developer on a NEMS appliance as well.
13:36 RobbieF should have my first sample on Monday
13:36 tenplus1 hi CWz, that would be great.. am sure it could using arm kernel
13:38 CWz The legend of the arm kernel is out hunting arms since he lost his in the war
13:38 tenplus1 lol
13:45 DI3HARD139 @CWz it's possible if the the bootloader is built for arm.
13:45 CWz hmmm
14:18 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1898
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14:36 tenplus1 hi Krock
14:36 Krock hi tenplus1
14:36 Krock heh.. almost forgot to check against your name in the userlist ;)
14:36 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1898
14:50 * rdococ shows Krock a concave triangle, and a 4-sided hexagon
14:50 * Krock takes and burns them
14:50 tenplus1 lol
14:52 * rdococ shows Krock an orientable mobius strip and a sphere whose surface has Euclidean geometry, along with an octonion describing a four-dimensional rotation
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14:53 tenplus1 hi fussel
14:54 Krock rdococ, impressive stuff. Please draw me a geometrical structure to represent the square root of -25
14:56 * rdococ shows Krock a manifold in Hilbert space
14:56 * tenplus1 draws -5 with a hat on
14:56 IhrFussel Hello tenplus1 & others :D
14:56 * rdococ scribbles out the -5 and writes 5i
14:57 * Krock scribbles out the 5i and writes ±5i
14:57 * tenplus1 scribbles out the ±5i and draws a cat
14:58 Krock cute!
14:58 Krock http://i.imgur.com/qX53yd8.gifv
14:58 * rdococ scribbles out the cat and writes the non-unit quaternion 0 + 5i + 0j + 0k
14:58 tenplus1 lol
14:58 rdococ lol
14:59 * rdococ hugs Krock
15:00 DI3HARD139 Quick question. Anyone else having issues with Homedecor and an the "table expected, got nil" error from 'ipairs'?
15:00 tenplus1 I dont use latest homedecor, only lite edition... sorry
15:01 tenplus1 you got a line for the error ?
15:03 Krock DI3HARD139, git pull and pastebin the error so we can help you
15:04 rdococ try tracing the table back in the code if you want to...
15:04 rdococ it's something I do sometimes
15:05 * tenplus1 makes noms
15:09 * rdococ eats noms
15:09 tenplus1 noms haven't defrosted yet :P
15:09 rdococ yay for frozen noms
15:10 tenplus1 hehe
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15:11 tenplus1 wb raven
15:12 tenplus1 am gonna watch "The Man From Planet X (1951)"...  sci=-fi binge
15:13 Raven262 thx ten
15:39 rdococ yey
15:39 * rdococ eats the noms now
15:42 Krock how about if you food food in a town called food?
15:42 * rdococ explodes
15:48 tenplus1 food'ception
15:53 DI3HARD139 Sorry. Was afk for a few mins. https://pastebin.com/zatVmykQ
15:53 DI3HARD139 Can use gdb if needed
15:55 tenplus1 are you using latest homedecor modpack ???
15:56 DI3HARD139 Indeed I am. I also tried the 0.4.16 release
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15:57 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
15:57 DI3HARD139 Hello Darcidride
16:00 tenplus1 so homedecor is trying to remove tar block frommoreblocks and use the one from building blocks instead which is causing issue with stairsplus
16:01 tenplus1 tbh I'd comment out the entire 'for _, i in ipairs(stairsplus.shapes_list) do' to the registered alias 7 lines down
16:01 tenplus1 and register the stairs for the already in use moreblocks version of tar
16:05 DI3HARD139 Wonderful! Thanks tenplus1
16:06 tenplus1 <fingers crossed>
16:10 DI3HARD139 Works perfectly
16:11 Darcidride Hi everyone
16:16 tenplus1 o/
16:16 tenplus1 glad to hear DI3HARD139 :)
16:17 DI3HARD139 Thanks again :)
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16:18 tenplus1 hi nrz
16:30 nerzhul hi tenplus1
16:35 xerox123 hello
16:35 tenplus1 hi xerox
16:37 unk hi tenplus1 and thank you...everything seems to be working now
16:37 rdococ xeroaks
16:39 tenplus1 glad to hear :)
16:39 tenplus1 try out the new knockback :) that's working well too...
16:49 rdococ yay for puppies!
16:50 rdococ is anyone interested in a werewolf subgame I was planning?
16:50 rdococ tenplus1 == eleven
16:50 tenplus1 *howls*
16:52 rdococ oh, right, people probably don't know what I mean
16:52 rdococ lol
16:53 rdococ in a game of werewolf (though there are many flavours), there are usually a pack of 'werewolves', and a group of 'villagers', and the villagers, with help from special roles, try to find and vote out the wolves
16:54 Shara I'd be curious to see how you made it work
16:54 rdococ depending, again, on the exact flavour you're playing, someone being voted out (suspected as a werewolf by the majority of the village, basically) could either mean jailing or full-on hanging
16:54 tenplus1 gotta shoot them with silver bullets, if you shoot villager you're out
16:54 rdococ I haven't started yet, though
16:55 rdococ I've actually played two favours of the game online (well, three, but one wasn't to my taste). one is on IRC, and the other is on Roblox.
16:56 rdococ s/fav/flav/
16:56 rdococ I was thinking of creating a version on minetest
16:57 rdococ oh, and each night, the werewolves vote on someone to hunt
16:57 rdococ though, again, it depends on the version you play
17:00 Shara My worry would be - what happens to the players who are out? Kind of boring for them
17:00 rdococ there may be a lobby with parkour and stuff
17:00 rdococ my idea is that there would be a lobby, which would have things to occupy players who are out
17:02 rdococ then there would be a daytime town area, for voting other players out. night could either be done with buildings inside the town area, or a separate resting place-ish area
17:02 rdococ either way, at night, the players should be teleported, and nametags hidden
17:03 tenplus1 lolol, nice one krock
17:06 tenplus1 tried a wild pepe image, didnt work :D
17:06 Krock it must look as realistic as possible
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17:24 tenplus1 wb cwz
17:24 CWz hey
17:28 rdococ woof
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17:29 tenplus1 wb robbie
17:33 rdococ yay
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18:00 tenplus1 hi ssieb
18:07 ssieb hi
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18:13 tenplus1 hi lisac
18:14 lisac Hey tenplus1
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18:16 tenplus1 wb raven
18:16 Raven262 thx again ten
18:25 rdococ yay for puppies
18:25 tenplus1 more puppies ?
18:26 * rdococ explodes into a billion puppies
18:27 tenplus1 nooooooo, puppy-geddon!!!
18:28 * tenplus1 is using Gnumeric and it's a LOT faster then LibreOffice when editing ?!?! what gives ?!?!
18:31 sofar it's part of the ergonomics plugin, you need to work slower and take more breaks :)
18:31 tenplus1 heh, hi sofar
18:33 tenplus1 has anyone ever ysed the Calligra (koffice) suite ?
18:46 rdococ puppies
18:50 * rdococ hugs tenplus1
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18:56 tenplus1 wb gary
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18:58 tenplus1 wb Krock
18:58 garywhite thx
18:59 Krock lolwat garywhite
18:59 garywhite ?
19:00 Krock nvm, seen the logs. Ty tenplus1, although I have no idea why this just happened
19:00 tenplus1 you got kicked ?
19:01 Krock did I?
19:01 tenplus1 nah, just wondering... ppl timing out a lot here
19:02 Krock happened on all connected IRC servers, so I suppose it was just a router thingy
19:16 rdococ router hugs
19:16 * rdococ hugs Krock
19:19 Krock k
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19:33 tenplus1 nite folks :))
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19:34 Krock nite...
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19:35 CalebDavis hi Aerozoic
19:36 Aerozoic wazup CalebDavis
19:36 rdococ puppies
19:58 KaadmY puppers <3
19:58 KaadmY doggos <3
20:00 Fixer poopers
20:13 Calinou hi
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20:23 paramat eh, not enough doom/quake talk :]
20:27 paramat anyway, Calinou and others, please reduce doom/quake chat here or take it to #minetest (chit chat goes to minetest remember) thanks
20:34 Calinou paramat: that's strange?
20:34 Calinou I thought on-topic chat went to #minetest
20:34 Calinou and off-topic to #minetest-hub
20:34 Calinou it seems more logical to me
20:35 Calinou also, when I chat about off-topic things here, I don't do it to impede on-topic conversations here
20:37 paramat see http://hub.minetest.net/info
20:39 paramat it's not an offtopic channel at all. minetest has always been the place for chit chat and offtopic, -dev header used to state "chit chat goes to #minetest"
20:40 paramat it's weird how some think this channel is offtopic, maybe because they see the huge amount of offtopic chat here and assume :]
20:45 Topic for #minetest-hub is now Please keep offtopic discussions short | http://hub.minetest.net/info | http://hub.minetest.net/regulars | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/
20:45 rdococ where is -dev anyway?
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20:47 paramat but of course, moderate amounts of offtopic, humour and doughnut talk is encouraged here
20:48 * Shara starts paying attention
20:48 Shara paramat, you have doughnuts for us, did you say?
20:48 paramat #minetest-dev is here on freenode
20:49 paramat hehe, erm ..
20:49 rdococ well, duh
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21:01 Fixer minetest-hub was renamed to ID-hub
21:09 Fixer *,,,,,,*/
21:09 Fixer also, fuck dropbox for broken links
21:36 Shara Getting so tired of players telling me they've paid for ad removal on their apps because official Android MT is worse than the apps.
21:36 Shara Why is this???
21:36 sfan5 nobody wants to work on the android app
21:37 Shara Yet how many devs have worked on some of those apps?
21:38 Shara It's ridiculous.
21:43 Krock it's ridiculous that those who would be interested in working on the app aren't into open-source or contributing
21:43 Shara I simply don't want someone else making money from the server I run and pay for.
21:43 Shara I don't run it for that.
21:45 sofar hmmm
21:47 IhrFussel Minetest will NEVER have an official iOS app, so we will never get those users to use the right app
21:47 Shara It's happening with android players as well, Fussel
21:47 IhrFussel Yes but most of my mobile players use iPhone or iPad
21:48 Shara I just walked an Android player through how to get the official app, and after a bit he said the controls were so bad he'd prefer to switch back and pay
21:48 Shara It's not the first time this has happened.
21:48 Shara Always the same reason - the controls are bad/difficult
21:48 IhrFussel Actually it's just the movement that's stupid in the app...it uses arrows instead of a joystick like most other apps do
21:50 IhrFussel It's extremely difficult to walk left/right cause the arrow buttons are so close by
21:50 Shara Is that the only problem?
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21:51 IhrFussel Pretty much...all other buttons are necessary (jump, sneak) ... plus most 3rd party apps don't have the debug menu or noclip/fast
21:52 IhrFussel Maybe you could also improve the way you open the chat/inventory/drop stuff
21:52 Shara I am assuming these are on screen, touch-screen type "buttons"?
21:52 IhrFussel Yes virtual touch butttons...one sec
21:52 Shara I wish I knew more about app development, because if it's just two buttons being too close together, it doesn't sound difficult to fix
21:54 IhrFussel Shara, https://goo.gl/images/zuKfYf
21:55 Shara Thanks Fussel
21:55 Shara I don't even know if I have anything capable of running it to test on
21:56 IhrFussel It's from github, I looked for the latest interface (0.4.16)
21:56 Shara Question is what's bad about this, that isn't bad on apps?
21:56 IhrFussel Older Android versions looked worse but the arrows were always the same
21:57 Shara other apps*
21:57 IhrFussel The problem is that you can not precisely press the direction buttons most of the time...other clone apps replaced the arrows by a virtual joystick that you can simply hold in the direction you want to go
21:58 IhrFussel 360° movement
21:58 Shara And is there any reason, beyond no one feeling like working on it, that the official app can't have such a thing?
21:59 IhrFussel I'm guessing no core dev who's actually interested in working on Android knows how to do that
21:59 IhrFussel And I imagine it to be a lot more complicated compared to 4 simple buttons
21:59 Shara It's kind of sad, given that it's how so many players are using the game
22:00 IhrFussel Core devs could look at Multicraft's code which actually adds that joystick I think
22:01 Shara From a player on my server: "I hope MineTest change joystick because when I want walk is hard"
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22:02 Shara So if any devs ever feel up to this, you'd make some players very happy.
22:02 paramat yeah i agree it's a crazy situation, we've been looking for someone to work on the official app
22:02 Aerozoic look sensitivity is also high
22:03 Shara paramat: Looking or wishing someone would turn up? :)
22:03 IhrFussel Shara, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LS​v-GAE6DLP51tKCV404IkoZFliuIKdOt3gCav​kY1P4skXGVeomOZK9irvl8YTQdABNy=h310
22:03 IhrFussel This is what Multicraft's UI looks like
22:04 paramat i've asked in the forums, had someone sort of interested but they disappeared
22:04 paramat if i was good with android code i'd add the joystick
22:05 Shara I've only done some very basic android apps, nothing even close to this
22:05 IhrFussel You could "copy" the Multicraft code or not? I mean not steal 1:1 just the basic idea of how to implement it
22:05 Shara And I have no easy way to test if I try to do something
22:05 paramat it seems MT core devs don't care about mobile devices, except sapier, maybe we can ask him
22:07 Aerozoic still now mobile MT 4.16 either
22:07 Aerozoic still no*
22:07 Shara paramat: the problem is that the number of mobile players is getting pretty high
22:07 paramat if i coded joystick i would have to cluelessly copy paste from an app, which is not a good way to develop, and maybe would break app licenses? not sure. maybe we could ask MoNTE48 for permission for code?
22:08 sofar monte gave permission for us to use his code
22:08 sofar someone just has to do it
22:09 paramat yes exactly, mobile users affect servers a lot
22:09 paramat ah
22:10 Aerozoic Oh i installed from F-droid which only has 4.15. Looks like google has 4.16
22:11 Shara Looks like F-droid isn't kept up to date
22:12 Shara But I send players to Google anyway
22:12 Aerozoic Yea F-droid has to be manually installed. Not for kids.
22:14 Shara More from the same player: "Arrows on joystick is very small to,  and arrow to up is confused"
22:14 Shara Seems to confirm what Fussel explained.
22:14 Aerozoic So that circle in bottom left of multicraft makes you walk wherever you put your thumb?
22:15 IhrFussel Aerozoic, yes, I'm currently looking for the src code that implements the virtual joystick
22:16 paramat Shara maybe you could add an issue saying what you said here, asking for virtual joystick control, then we can tag sapier, and maybe we can copy across multicraft code?
22:16 Aerozoic I came across multicraft's github a few weeks ago, idk how i found it
22:17 Aerozoic Although i think you meant within the code specifically for the joystick, lol. yeah good luck!
22:17 Shara paramat: Hmm, is there no issue about android control problems yet?
22:18 paramat looking
22:18 Shara I'll make one if not, but I'm surprised if there's not one yet
22:18 paramat probably is
22:19 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1750 heh oldest android issue
22:19 paramat 3 years
22:19 paramat typical :]
22:19 Shara Hmm, yes
22:21 paramat android dev interest has been so low since sapier left we have almost considered dropping it, but probably won't
22:21 paramat maybe add comments to 1750?
22:21 Aerozoic Is sapier aka Loic?
22:22 paramat no
22:22 paramat erm
22:22 paramat no not nerzhul
22:24 IhrFussel The Multicraft creator even offered help back then...a shame that nobody motivated him
22:24 Aerozoic oh XD my bad :P
22:24 paramat i can ask him again
22:24 Shara paramat: that would be good, if you can
22:25 paramat i'll email him about it
22:25 Aerozoic multicraft is what's left of the freeminer fork right?
22:25 paramat no
22:26 IhrFussel I think the app is just called "Multicraft - Freeminer"
22:27 paramat there are several 'multicrafts', we mean the main one https://github.com/MultiCraftProject/MultiCraft
22:27 Aerozoic Yeah the name is what made me think that.
22:28 Shara Thanks, paramat
22:31 IhrFussel The app is this one or not? https://play.google.com/store/a​pps/details?id=mobi.MultiCraft
22:31 paramat oh hehe it does say freeminer
22:32 paramat yes that one, links to the github page
22:32 IhrFussel Well it says "Free Miner"
22:32 paramat they really shouldn't use 'freeminer', however freeminer is now shut down
22:33 paramat i guess they mean 'free miner'
22:33 IhrFussel I think they mean "a miner app that's free"
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22:40 paramat ok sent email
22:41 Shara :)
22:46 paramat anyone know where the android control code is?
22:46 sfan5 touchscreengui.cpp
22:49 paramat thanks
22:50 paramat duh it was obvious :}
22:51 rdococ_ heh
22:54 paramat hm i'm tempted to just stick multicraft code in there but it won't be that simple, sfan5 is ideal for this job i'll ask
22:55 sfan5 you can't, license conflict
22:55 sfan5 also the assets
22:56 paramat ok, someone said we were allowed to use ther code, let's see what monte says
22:56 IhrFussel I honestly don't see where the virtual joystick is defined
22:56 paramat *their
22:57 IhrFussel Could it be in Java?
22:57 sfan5 no it's not in java
22:57 sfan5 paramat: since he himself changed to license to lgplv3 (with the nice side effect of no code reuse possible) i doubt it
22:58 paramat meh
22:58 sfan5 honestly you just need someone to fix the controls to suck less, it's not that complicated
22:58 IhrFussel But he could tell us how to do it without using his exact code
22:59 IhrFussel The joystick is the biggest problem
22:59 sfan5 >how to do it
22:59 sfan5 joysticks aren't rocket science
22:59 sfan5 a competent dev can implement this in their sleep
22:59 paramat anyway, i feel bad for server owners due to the unofficial forks, this seems to be a critical problem with open source multiplayer games
22:59 paramat not easy for me though, i wouldn't have a clue how to
23:00 paramat ok sfan can you do it in bed tonight? :]
23:01 sfan5 i know you're joking but i can't be bothered no
23:01 paramat but, you're probably busy dreaming
23:03 IhrFussel I found this https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-​joystick-android/blob/master/README.md
23:05 paramat yeah i don't blame you sfan
23:09 IhrFussel This is the actual joystick code https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-jo​ystick-android/blob/master/virtualjoystic​k/src/main/java/io/github/controlwear/vir​tual/joystick/android/JoystickView.java
23:09 paramat oh besides, i couldn't test, so i can't work on it
23:10 shivajiva I can't tell if sfan5 is saying he's not competent enough to do it, or trying to berate paramat's efforts, when he can't be bothered himself. Funny how this stuff comes across to the onlooker :)
23:11 sfan5 neither
23:11 rubenwardy at least the engine code is useful by pc users too
23:11 rubenwardy i dont want to work on something that would solely be ripped by all the forks
23:11 rubenwardy and monetised
23:13 Shara Problem is servers are basically being monetised because the official is so bad that Android players don't want to use it
23:13 shivajiva ergo parts of minetest development is controlled by the forks ability to monetise the work
23:16 shivajiva shame really
23:19 paramat well, most players will use the fork apps anyway even if the official one is good, just because there are so many of them, and many mobile players are clueless to quality or 'officiality' or don't care
23:19 paramat however the official one should be improved of course
23:19 paramat it should be the best really
23:19 Shara Most (who are not really young) will switch when confronted about it, which is what happens on my server when they complain about ads
23:20 paramat the forks tend to be more sloppy
23:20 paramat good to hear
23:20 paramat i'll PM lordironspatula again in the forum, or whoever it was ..
23:25 paramat oops, it was 'lordfingle'
23:32 paramat PM sent
23:51 rubenwardy however, 0.5 might negate this
23:51 rubenwardy as most Android clients likely won't update
23:53 paramat i hope they won't but expect they will :]
23:53 paramat however multicraft is not adding 0.5 changes so
23:53 rubenwardy I am tempted to make my own ethical clone
23:53 paramat if so, why not work on the official one?
23:55 paramat i guess, more freedom to make it different
23:58 paramat hm and multicraft has had > 1000,000 downloads (!) so since they're not updating to 0.5 that will be significant

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