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| 00:47 |
benrob0329 |
People want to get rid of light leak? noo, I was using it... |
| 00:47 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, so comment there... |
| 00:47 |
benrob0329 |
I'm going to |
| 00:47 |
Shara |
:) |
| 00:48 |
benrob0329 |
Do @mentions still work if there is a comma right after it, or do I need a space? |
| 00:51 |
benrob0329 |
they work with the comma |
| 00:52 |
garywhite |
Does anyone remember a while back I did my MT survey? |
| 00:53 |
benrob0329 |
I do not, but I'm not always on |
| 00:55 |
garywhite |
Cause I'm doing it again since it's been I think nearly a year, so if anyone would like to participate, let me know, basically I gather basic information such as OS & location (continent), then what changes you think should be made |
| 00:56 |
benrob0329 |
garywhite: I would be happy to |
| 00:56 |
benrob0329 |
Clearly my opinion is the only one that matters, though :PP |
| 00:57 |
garywhite |
I'll just leave the link here https://goo.gl/forms/tTFmug2RUbLvEgfq2 |
| 01:01 |
* Megaf |
clicks |
| 01:01 |
* benrob0329 |
submits |
| 01:01 |
Megaf |
I'm quite sure I did the last one |
| 01:02 |
Megaf |
done |
| 01:02 |
garywhite |
thanks |
| 01:08 |
benrob0329 |
Could some server owners comment on https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6111 ? |
| 01:13 |
Megaf |
Ok, I have just decided to update my server |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
I wonder if my old mods will still work with a current subgame |
| 01:24 |
benrob0329 |
(Offtopic) I don't quite know what to call this meme, but I like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWeOrAimy6k |
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srifqi |
Anybody knows why formspec doesn't show 1.2 but 1.200123blahblahblah ? |
| 08:04 |
shivajiva |
hmm because your not truncating the value? |
| 08:09 |
srifqi |
But, how do I know the value? I mean, I can't just truncating 1.6999blahblah to 1.6. |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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| 12:17 |
tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
| 12:18 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 12:19 |
tenplus1 |
Farming Redo updated (fixed donut recipe), Mobs Redo API updated (knockback working a-ok) |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
also uses 'knockback' group on tools now for custom kb values :D |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
same as playerplus' player knockback |
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| 12:22 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 12:22 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi ten |
| 12:23 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 12:34 |
ThomasMonroe |
2017-09-21 12:32:58: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "module" accessed at /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/ltn12.lua:14 |
| 12:34 |
ThomasMonroe |
what in the world does that mean? |
| 12:34 |
tenplus1 |
which mod you using ? |
| 12:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
economy |
| 12:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
i'll try to disable it |
| 12:36 |
tenplus1 |
no line reference for economy mod, hard to track what's causing it |
| 12:38 |
Raven262 |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 12:38 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 12:39 |
shivajiva |
Hi folks, isn't that caused by irc mod? ;) |
| 12:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva |
| 12:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
tenplus1: 2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]: /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: attempt to index local 'deserialize' (a nil value) |
| 12:39 |
shivajiva |
or rather the presence of luasocket |
| 12:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
2017-09-21 12:38:31: ERROR[Main]: /home/MM/.minetest/games/Master_Man/mods/economy/init.lua:107: in main chunk |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
if I remember you had this issue before with same mod |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
a file not found and no nil check |
| 12:41 |
Raven262 |
Hi shivajiva |
| 12:41 |
ThomasMonroe |
ooh ok i think i know what to do now |
| 12:41 |
ThomasMonroe |
it was a corrupted file |
| 12:41 |
* Raven262 |
is here to say hi to people. |
| 12:42 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:43 |
shivajiva |
doesn't match orwell96's version when you check the line numbers |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
I think thomas uses a custom fork |
| 12:44 |
shivajiva |
me too |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
line 79 onward is where the error occurs in orwells version |
| 12:46 |
Shara |
Hello |
| 12:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
hmm Nate may have messed with it, idk |
| 12:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
economy should be ported to the new player attribute setup, would be easier to handle then separate files |
| 12:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
2017-09-21 12:38:28: [Main]: Using game specified by --gameid on the command line |
| 12:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
2017-09-21 12:38:28: WARNING[Main]: NodeDefManager: Ignoring CONTENT_IGNORE redefinition |
| 12:47 |
Raven262 |
hi Shara |
| 12:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
those are the first three lines |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 12:47 |
shivajiva |
it checks the file so I wonder why it ends up nil |
| 12:48 |
tenplus1 |
file not found usually |
| 12:48 |
shivajiva |
L74 caters for that possibility |
| 12:48 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, but has an else |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
that leads to: local deserialize=minetest.deserialize(file:read("*a")) |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
where another issue may lie |
| 12:50 |
shivajiva |
then we can assume it's unable to deserialise the contents |
| 12:50 |
shivajiva |
Hi Shara ;) |
| 12:52 |
shivajiva |
think I'd check the type returned to catch that |
| 12:54 |
shivajiva |
xban2 makes me laugh, it just kills the file by creating a fresh one and you lose all the data if it can't deserialize the file |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
external files *shudder* |
| 12:55 |
shivajiva |
it's quite seamless, all of a sudden banned players start arriving |
| 12:55 |
Shara |
I've been through that way too many times |
| 12:56 |
shivajiva |
not any more though :P |
| 12:57 |
Shara |
It seems not :P |
| 12:57 |
Shara |
This is probably fixing one of my biggest headaches on the server |
| 12:58 |
shivajiva |
I added the record display limit, just needs debugging |
| 13:02 |
Shara |
Good :) |
| 13:02 |
Shara |
I'll keep thinking about any other potential problems |
| 13:03 |
shivajiva |
for those not aware, I've crafted a new ban mod that uses sql for the db and provides a lot more info in a controlled way dependant on the privs you have. Should be released in the next few days, preliminary testing looks good... |
| 13:03 |
tenplus1 |
:PPPP |
| 13:05 |
Jordach |
call it xban3 |
| 13:05 |
Jordach |
Kappa |
| 13:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 13:05 |
shivajiva |
no timers, no holding tables in memory, it has potential |
| 13:06 |
shivajiva |
seems unfair to xban2 to hijack the name |
| 13:07 |
tenplus1 |
Xban Redo ;PP |
| 13:07 |
shivajiva |
it would keep the commands the same if I use xban in the name |
| 13:07 |
Jordach |
shivajiva, XxBansxX |
| 13:08 |
shivajiva |
LOL |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
>doing IT course |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
>MBSA taking three fucking years to do something |
| 13:09 |
shivajiva |
I hate players who use that in their names, you'll survive Jordach |
| 13:09 |
Jordach |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMtXra3zGA0 |
| 13:10 |
shivajiva |
is Kaeza still about? |
| 13:10 |
Jordach |
i can prod his ass on messenger |
| 13:10 |
Jordach |
(not like that) |
| 13:10 |
shivajiva |
I'd like to ask him if he has any issues with me calling it xban3 |
| 13:11 |
shivajiva |
your words xD |
| 13:11 |
Jordach |
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/087/107/d6a.jpg |
| 13:12 |
Shara |
shivajiva: If I have to change back to using the x in the commands now my moderators will get too confused |
| 13:12 |
shivajiva |
lol okay, the commands stay the same then |
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| 13:14 |
shivajiva |
importers are included for xban2 and ipban.txt so transitioning isn't difficult |
| 13:14 |
shivajiva |
Hi RobbieF o/ |
| 13:15 |
tenplus1 |
hi robbie |
| 13:16 |
Shara |
It is actually better to have it using /ban than /xban, since it removes any confusion between which ban command to use |
| 13:16 |
Shara |
Hi RobbieF |
| 13:17 |
shivajiva |
yea |
| 13:18 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: nice |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 13:19 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 13:20 |
shivajiva |
heh ty Fixer |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
>disconnects from remote session |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
>systems re-imaged |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
ffffffffffffffff |
| 13:24 |
RobbieF |
HEY Shara! |
| 13:25 |
RobbieF |
Hey shivajiva & tenplus1! |
| 13:25 |
RobbieF |
how are ya'll? |
| 13:25 |
Shara |
RobbieF: Where have you been?!! |
| 13:25 |
Shara |
It's good to see you :) |
| 13:25 |
shivajiva |
lol good thanks |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
good robbie, how's things ? |
| 13:27 |
RobbieF |
Shara - 10th anniversary at Category5 next week - been unbelievably busy preparing (while still doing my usual busy stuff) |
| 13:27 |
RobbieF |
good to see you as well |
| 13:27 |
RobbieF |
doing very well thanks ten |
| 13:28 |
Shara |
Ohhh, good to hear it's time spent on something big and interesting then :) |
| 13:34 |
RobbieF |
:) |
| 13:34 |
RobbieF |
oh and add NEMS 1.3 to that list :p |
| 13:34 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, nice one :D |
| 13:36 |
CWz |
i wonder if linux live cd could be booted on tablet |
| 13:36 |
RobbieF |
I'm working with a hardware developer on a NEMS appliance as well. |
| 13:36 |
RobbieF |
should have my first sample on Monday |
| 13:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz, that would be great.. am sure it could using arm kernel |
| 13:38 |
CWz |
The legend of the arm kernel is out hunting arms since he lost his in the war |
| 13:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 13:45 |
DI3HARD139 |
@CWz it's possible if the the bootloader is built for arm. |
| 13:45 |
CWz |
hmmm |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1898 |
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| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
heh.. almost forgot to check against your name in the userlist ;) |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1898 |
| 14:50 |
* rdococ |
shows Krock a concave triangle, and a 4-sided hexagon |
| 14:50 |
* Krock |
takes and burns them |
| 14:50 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:52 |
* rdococ |
shows Krock an orientable mobius strip and a sphere whose surface has Euclidean geometry, along with an octonion describing a four-dimensional rotation |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
rdococ, impressive stuff. Please draw me a geometrical structure to represent the square root of -25 |
| 14:56 |
* rdococ |
shows Krock a manifold in Hilbert space |
| 14:56 |
* tenplus1 |
draws -5 with a hat on |
| 14:56 |
IhrFussel |
Hello tenplus1 & others :D |
| 14:56 |
* rdococ |
scribbles out the -5 and writes 5i |
| 14:57 |
* Krock |
scribbles out the 5i and writes ±5i |
| 14:57 |
* tenplus1 |
scribbles out the ±5i and draws a cat |
| 14:58 |
Krock |
cute! |
| 14:58 |
Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/qX53yd8.gifv |
| 14:58 |
* rdococ |
scribbles out the cat and writes the non-unit quaternion 0 + 5i + 0j + 0k |
| 14:58 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:58 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 14:59 |
* rdococ |
hugs Krock |
| 15:00 |
DI3HARD139 |
Quick question. Anyone else having issues with Homedecor and an the "table expected, got nil" error from 'ipairs'? |
| 15:00 |
tenplus1 |
I dont use latest homedecor, only lite edition... sorry |
| 15:01 |
tenplus1 |
you got a line for the error ? |
| 15:03 |
Krock |
DI3HARD139, git pull and pastebin the error so we can help you |
| 15:04 |
rdococ |
try tracing the table back in the code if you want to... |
| 15:04 |
rdococ |
it's something I do sometimes |
| 15:05 |
* tenplus1 |
makes noms |
| 15:09 |
* rdococ |
eats noms |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
noms haven't defrosted yet :P |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
yay for frozen noms |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
hehe |
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| 15:11 |
tenplus1 |
wb raven |
| 15:12 |
tenplus1 |
am gonna watch "The Man From Planet X (1951)"... sci=-fi binge |
| 15:13 |
Raven262 |
thx ten |
| 15:39 |
rdococ |
yey |
| 15:39 |
* rdococ |
eats the noms now |
| 15:42 |
Krock |
how about if you food food in a town called food? |
| 15:42 |
* rdococ |
explodes |
| 15:48 |
tenplus1 |
food'ception |
| 15:53 |
DI3HARD139 |
Sorry. Was afk for a few mins. https://pastebin.com/zatVmykQ |
| 15:53 |
DI3HARD139 |
Can use gdb if needed |
| 15:55 |
tenplus1 |
are you using latest homedecor modpack ??? |
| 15:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
Indeed I am. I also tried the 0.4.16 release |
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tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride |
| 15:57 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello Darcidride |
| 16:00 |
tenplus1 |
so homedecor is trying to remove tar block frommoreblocks and use the one from building blocks instead which is causing issue with stairsplus |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
tbh I'd comment out the entire 'for _, i in ipairs(stairsplus.shapes_list) do' to the registered alias 7 lines down |
| 16:01 |
tenplus1 |
and register the stairs for the already in use moreblocks version of tar |
| 16:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
Wonderful! Thanks tenplus1 |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
<fingers crossed> |
| 16:10 |
DI3HARD139 |
Works perfectly |
| 16:11 |
Darcidride |
Hi everyone |
| 16:16 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 16:16 |
tenplus1 |
glad to hear DI3HARD139 :) |
| 16:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
Thanks again :) |
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tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 16:30 |
nerzhul |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:35 |
xerox123 |
hello |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi xerox |
| 16:37 |
unk |
hi tenplus1 and thank you...everything seems to be working now |
| 16:37 |
rdococ |
xeroaks |
| 16:39 |
tenplus1 |
glad to hear :) |
| 16:39 |
tenplus1 |
try out the new knockback :) that's working well too... |
| 16:49 |
rdococ |
yay for puppies! |
| 16:50 |
rdococ |
is anyone interested in a werewolf subgame I was planning? |
| 16:50 |
rdococ |
tenplus1 == eleven |
| 16:50 |
tenplus1 |
*howls* |
| 16:52 |
rdococ |
oh, right, people probably don't know what I mean |
| 16:52 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
in a game of werewolf (though there are many flavours), there are usually a pack of 'werewolves', and a group of 'villagers', and the villagers, with help from special roles, try to find and vote out the wolves |
| 16:54 |
Shara |
I'd be curious to see how you made it work |
| 16:54 |
rdococ |
depending, again, on the exact flavour you're playing, someone being voted out (suspected as a werewolf by the majority of the village, basically) could either mean jailing or full-on hanging |
| 16:54 |
tenplus1 |
gotta shoot them with silver bullets, if you shoot villager you're out |
| 16:54 |
rdococ |
I haven't started yet, though |
| 16:55 |
rdococ |
I've actually played two favours of the game online (well, three, but one wasn't to my taste). one is on IRC, and the other is on Roblox. |
| 16:56 |
rdococ |
s/fav/flav/ |
| 16:56 |
rdococ |
I was thinking of creating a version on minetest |
| 16:57 |
rdococ |
oh, and each night, the werewolves vote on someone to hunt |
| 16:57 |
rdococ |
though, again, it depends on the version you play |
| 17:00 |
Shara |
My worry would be - what happens to the players who are out? Kind of boring for them |
| 17:00 |
rdococ |
there may be a lobby with parkour and stuff |
| 17:00 |
rdococ |
my idea is that there would be a lobby, which would have things to occupy players who are out |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
then there would be a daytime town area, for voting other players out. night could either be done with buildings inside the town area, or a separate resting place-ish area |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
either way, at night, the players should be teleported, and nametags hidden |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
lolol, nice one krock |
| 17:06 |
tenplus1 |
tried a wild pepe image, didnt work :D |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
it must look as realistic as possible |
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tenplus1 |
wb cwz |
| 17:24 |
CWz |
hey |
| 17:28 |
rdococ |
woof |
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tenplus1 |
wb robbie |
| 17:33 |
rdococ |
yay |
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tenplus1 |
hi ssieb |
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ssieb |
hi |
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tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 18:14 |
lisac |
Hey tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
wb raven |
| 18:16 |
Raven262 |
thx again ten |
| 18:25 |
rdococ |
yay for puppies |
| 18:25 |
tenplus1 |
more puppies ? |
| 18:26 |
* rdococ |
explodes into a billion puppies |
| 18:27 |
tenplus1 |
nooooooo, puppy-geddon!!! |
| 18:28 |
* tenplus1 |
is using Gnumeric and it's a LOT faster then LibreOffice when editing ?!?! what gives ?!?! |
| 18:31 |
sofar |
it's part of the ergonomics plugin, you need to work slower and take more breaks :) |
| 18:31 |
tenplus1 |
heh, hi sofar |
| 18:33 |
tenplus1 |
has anyone ever ysed the Calligra (koffice) suite ? |
| 18:46 |
rdococ |
puppies |
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* rdococ |
hugs tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
wb gary |
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tenplus1 |
wb Krock |
| 18:58 |
garywhite |
thx |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
lolwat garywhite |
| 18:59 |
garywhite |
? |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
nvm, seen the logs. Ty tenplus1, although I have no idea why this just happened |
| 19:00 |
tenplus1 |
you got kicked ? |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
did I? |
| 19:01 |
tenplus1 |
nah, just wondering... ppl timing out a lot here |
| 19:02 |
Krock |
happened on all connected IRC servers, so I suppose it was just a router thingy |
| 19:16 |
rdococ |
router hugs |
| 19:16 |
* rdococ |
hugs Krock |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
k |
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tenplus1 |
nite folks :)) |
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Krock |
nite... |
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CalebDavis |
hi Aerozoic |
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Aerozoic |
wazup CalebDavis |
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rdococ |
puppies |
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KaadmY |
puppers <3 |
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KaadmY |
doggos <3 |
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Fixer |
poopers |
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Calinou |
hi |
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paramat |
eh, not enough doom/quake talk :] |
| 20:27 |
paramat |
anyway, Calinou and others, please reduce doom/quake chat here or take it to #minetest (chit chat goes to minetest remember) thanks |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
paramat: that's strange? |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
I thought on-topic chat went to #minetest |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
and off-topic to #minetest-hub |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
it seems more logical to me |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
also, when I chat about off-topic things here, I don't do it to impede on-topic conversations here |
| 20:37 |
paramat |
see http://hub.minetest.net/info |
| 20:39 |
paramat |
it's not an offtopic channel at all. minetest has always been the place for chit chat and offtopic, -dev header used to state "chit chat goes to #minetest" |
| 20:40 |
paramat |
it's weird how some think this channel is offtopic, maybe because they see the huge amount of offtopic chat here and assume :] |
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| 20:45 |
rdococ |
where is -dev anyway? |
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paramat |
but of course, moderate amounts of offtopic, humour and doughnut talk is encouraged here |
| 20:48 |
* Shara |
starts paying attention |
| 20:48 |
Shara |
paramat, you have doughnuts for us, did you say? |
| 20:48 |
paramat |
#minetest-dev is here on freenode |
| 20:49 |
paramat |
hehe, erm .. |
| 20:49 |
rdococ |
well, duh |
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| 21:01 |
Fixer |
minetest-hub was renamed to ID-hub |
| 21:09 |
Fixer |
*,,,,,,*/ |
| 21:09 |
Fixer |
also, fuck dropbox for broken links |
| 21:36 |
Shara |
Getting so tired of players telling me they've paid for ad removal on their apps because official Android MT is worse than the apps. |
| 21:36 |
Shara |
Why is this??? |
| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
nobody wants to work on the android app |
| 21:37 |
Shara |
Yet how many devs have worked on some of those apps? |
| 21:38 |
Shara |
It's ridiculous. |
| 21:43 |
Krock |
it's ridiculous that those who would be interested in working on the app aren't into open-source or contributing |
| 21:43 |
Shara |
I simply don't want someone else making money from the server I run and pay for. |
| 21:43 |
Shara |
I don't run it for that. |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
hmmm |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
Minetest will NEVER have an official iOS app, so we will never get those users to use the right app |
| 21:47 |
Shara |
It's happening with android players as well, Fussel |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but most of my mobile players use iPhone or iPad |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
I just walked an Android player through how to get the official app, and after a bit he said the controls were so bad he'd prefer to switch back and pay |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
It's not the first time this has happened. |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
Always the same reason - the controls are bad/difficult |
| 21:48 |
IhrFussel |
Actually it's just the movement that's stupid in the app...it uses arrows instead of a joystick like most other apps do |
| 21:50 |
IhrFussel |
It's extremely difficult to walk left/right cause the arrow buttons are so close by |
| 21:50 |
Shara |
Is that the only problem? |
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IhrFussel |
Pretty much...all other buttons are necessary (jump, sneak) ... plus most 3rd party apps don't have the debug menu or noclip/fast |
| 21:52 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe you could also improve the way you open the chat/inventory/drop stuff |
| 21:52 |
Shara |
I am assuming these are on screen, touch-screen type "buttons"? |
| 21:52 |
IhrFussel |
Yes virtual touch butttons...one sec |
| 21:52 |
Shara |
I wish I knew more about app development, because if it's just two buttons being too close together, it doesn't sound difficult to fix |
| 21:54 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, https://goo.gl/images/zuKfYf |
| 21:55 |
Shara |
Thanks Fussel |
| 21:55 |
Shara |
I don't even know if I have anything capable of running it to test on |
| 21:56 |
IhrFussel |
It's from github, I looked for the latest interface (0.4.16) |
| 21:56 |
Shara |
Question is what's bad about this, that isn't bad on apps? |
| 21:56 |
IhrFussel |
Older Android versions looked worse but the arrows were always the same |
| 21:57 |
Shara |
other apps* |
| 21:57 |
IhrFussel |
The problem is that you can not precisely press the direction buttons most of the time...other clone apps replaced the arrows by a virtual joystick that you can simply hold in the direction you want to go |
| 21:58 |
IhrFussel |
360° movement |
| 21:58 |
Shara |
And is there any reason, beyond no one feeling like working on it, that the official app can't have such a thing? |
| 21:59 |
IhrFussel |
I'm guessing no core dev who's actually interested in working on Android knows how to do that |
| 21:59 |
IhrFussel |
And I imagine it to be a lot more complicated compared to 4 simple buttons |
| 21:59 |
Shara |
It's kind of sad, given that it's how so many players are using the game |
| 22:00 |
IhrFussel |
Core devs could look at Multicraft's code which actually adds that joystick I think |
| 22:01 |
Shara |
From a player on my server: "I hope MineTest change joystick because when I want walk is hard" |
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Shara |
So if any devs ever feel up to this, you'd make some players very happy. |
| 22:02 |
paramat |
yeah i agree it's a crazy situation, we've been looking for someone to work on the official app |
| 22:02 |
Aerozoic |
look sensitivity is also high |
| 22:03 |
Shara |
paramat: Looking or wishing someone would turn up? :) |
| 22:03 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LSv-GAE6DLP51tKCV404IkoZFliuIKdOt3gCavkY1P4skXGVeomOZK9irvl8YTQdABNy=h310 |
| 22:03 |
IhrFussel |
This is what Multicraft's UI looks like |
| 22:04 |
paramat |
i've asked in the forums, had someone sort of interested but they disappeared |
| 22:04 |
paramat |
if i was good with android code i'd add the joystick |
| 22:05 |
Shara |
I've only done some very basic android apps, nothing even close to this |
| 22:05 |
IhrFussel |
You could "copy" the Multicraft code or not? I mean not steal 1:1 just the basic idea of how to implement it |
| 22:05 |
Shara |
And I have no easy way to test if I try to do something |
| 22:05 |
paramat |
it seems MT core devs don't care about mobile devices, except sapier, maybe we can ask him |
| 22:07 |
Aerozoic |
still now mobile MT 4.16 either |
| 22:07 |
Aerozoic |
still no* |
| 22:07 |
Shara |
paramat: the problem is that the number of mobile players is getting pretty high |
| 22:07 |
paramat |
if i coded joystick i would have to cluelessly copy paste from an app, which is not a good way to develop, and maybe would break app licenses? not sure. maybe we could ask MoNTE48 for permission for code? |
| 22:08 |
sofar |
monte gave permission for us to use his code |
| 22:08 |
sofar |
someone just has to do it |
| 22:09 |
paramat |
yes exactly, mobile users affect servers a lot |
| 22:09 |
paramat |
ah |
| 22:10 |
Aerozoic |
Oh i installed from F-droid which only has 4.15. Looks like google has 4.16 |
| 22:11 |
Shara |
Looks like F-droid isn't kept up to date |
| 22:12 |
Shara |
But I send players to Google anyway |
| 22:12 |
Aerozoic |
Yea F-droid has to be manually installed. Not for kids. |
| 22:14 |
Shara |
More from the same player: "Arrows on joystick is very small to, and arrow to up is confused" |
| 22:14 |
Shara |
Seems to confirm what Fussel explained. |
| 22:14 |
Aerozoic |
So that circle in bottom left of multicraft makes you walk wherever you put your thumb? |
| 22:15 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, yes, I'm currently looking for the src code that implements the virtual joystick |
| 22:16 |
paramat |
Shara maybe you could add an issue saying what you said here, asking for virtual joystick control, then we can tag sapier, and maybe we can copy across multicraft code? |
| 22:16 |
Aerozoic |
I came across multicraft's github a few weeks ago, idk how i found it |
| 22:17 |
Aerozoic |
Although i think you meant within the code specifically for the joystick, lol. yeah good luck! |
| 22:17 |
Shara |
paramat: Hmm, is there no issue about android control problems yet? |
| 22:18 |
paramat |
looking |
| 22:18 |
Shara |
I'll make one if not, but I'm surprised if there's not one yet |
| 22:18 |
paramat |
probably is |
| 22:19 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1750 heh oldest android issue |
| 22:19 |
paramat |
3 years |
| 22:19 |
paramat |
typical :] |
| 22:19 |
Shara |
Hmm, yes |
| 22:21 |
paramat |
android dev interest has been so low since sapier left we have almost considered dropping it, but probably won't |
| 22:21 |
paramat |
maybe add comments to 1750? |
| 22:21 |
Aerozoic |
Is sapier aka Loic? |
| 22:22 |
paramat |
no |
| 22:22 |
paramat |
erm |
| 22:22 |
paramat |
no not nerzhul |
| 22:24 |
IhrFussel |
The Multicraft creator even offered help back then...a shame that nobody motivated him |
| 22:24 |
Aerozoic |
oh XD my bad :P |
| 22:24 |
paramat |
i can ask him again |
| 22:24 |
Shara |
paramat: that would be good, if you can |
| 22:25 |
paramat |
i'll email him about it |
| 22:25 |
Aerozoic |
multicraft is what's left of the freeminer fork right? |
| 22:25 |
paramat |
no |
| 22:26 |
IhrFussel |
I think the app is just called "Multicraft - Freeminer" |
| 22:27 |
paramat |
there are several 'multicrafts', we mean the main one https://github.com/MultiCraftProject/MultiCraft |
| 22:27 |
Aerozoic |
Yeah the name is what made me think that. |
| 22:28 |
Shara |
Thanks, paramat |
| 22:31 |
IhrFussel |
The app is this one or not? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.MultiCraft |
| 22:31 |
paramat |
oh hehe it does say freeminer |
| 22:32 |
paramat |
yes that one, links to the github page |
| 22:32 |
IhrFussel |
Well it says "Free Miner" |
| 22:32 |
paramat |
they really shouldn't use 'freeminer', however freeminer is now shut down |
| 22:33 |
paramat |
i guess they mean 'free miner' |
| 22:33 |
IhrFussel |
I think they mean "a miner app that's free" |
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| 22:40 |
paramat |
ok sent email |
| 22:41 |
Shara |
:) |
| 22:46 |
paramat |
anyone know where the android control code is? |
| 22:46 |
sfan5 |
touchscreengui.cpp |
| 22:49 |
paramat |
thanks |
| 22:50 |
paramat |
duh it was obvious :} |
| 22:51 |
rdococ_ |
heh |
| 22:54 |
paramat |
hm i'm tempted to just stick multicraft code in there but it won't be that simple, sfan5 is ideal for this job i'll ask |
| 22:55 |
sfan5 |
you can't, license conflict |
| 22:55 |
sfan5 |
also the assets |
| 22:56 |
paramat |
ok, someone said we were allowed to use ther code, let's see what monte says |
| 22:56 |
IhrFussel |
I honestly don't see where the virtual joystick is defined |
| 22:56 |
paramat |
*their |
| 22:57 |
IhrFussel |
Could it be in Java? |
| 22:57 |
sfan5 |
no it's not in java |
| 22:57 |
sfan5 |
paramat: since he himself changed to license to lgplv3 (with the nice side effect of no code reuse possible) i doubt it |
| 22:58 |
paramat |
meh |
| 22:58 |
sfan5 |
honestly you just need someone to fix the controls to suck less, it's not that complicated |
| 22:58 |
IhrFussel |
But he could tell us how to do it without using his exact code |
| 22:59 |
IhrFussel |
The joystick is the biggest problem |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
>how to do it |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
joysticks aren't rocket science |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
a competent dev can implement this in their sleep |
| 22:59 |
paramat |
anyway, i feel bad for server owners due to the unofficial forks, this seems to be a critical problem with open source multiplayer games |
| 22:59 |
paramat |
not easy for me though, i wouldn't have a clue how to |
| 23:00 |
paramat |
ok sfan can you do it in bed tonight? :] |
| 23:01 |
sfan5 |
i know you're joking but i can't be bothered no |
| 23:01 |
paramat |
but, you're probably busy dreaming |
| 23:03 |
IhrFussel |
I found this https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-joystick-android/blob/master/README.md |
| 23:05 |
paramat |
yeah i don't blame you sfan |
| 23:09 |
IhrFussel |
This is the actual joystick code https://github.com/controlwear/virtual-joystick-android/blob/master/virtualjoystick/src/main/java/io/github/controlwear/virtual/joystick/android/JoystickView.java |
| 23:09 |
paramat |
oh besides, i couldn't test, so i can't work on it |
| 23:10 |
shivajiva |
I can't tell if sfan5 is saying he's not competent enough to do it, or trying to berate paramat's efforts, when he can't be bothered himself. Funny how this stuff comes across to the onlooker :) |
| 23:11 |
sfan5 |
neither |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
at least the engine code is useful by pc users too |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
i dont want to work on something that would solely be ripped by all the forks |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
and monetised |
| 23:13 |
Shara |
Problem is servers are basically being monetised because the official is so bad that Android players don't want to use it |
| 23:13 |
shivajiva |
ergo parts of minetest development is controlled by the forks ability to monetise the work |
| 23:16 |
shivajiva |
shame really |
| 23:19 |
paramat |
well, most players will use the fork apps anyway even if the official one is good, just because there are so many of them, and many mobile players are clueless to quality or 'officiality' or don't care |
| 23:19 |
paramat |
however the official one should be improved of course |
| 23:19 |
paramat |
it should be the best really |
| 23:19 |
Shara |
Most (who are not really young) will switch when confronted about it, which is what happens on my server when they complain about ads |
| 23:20 |
paramat |
the forks tend to be more sloppy |
| 23:20 |
paramat |
good to hear |
| 23:20 |
paramat |
i'll PM lordironspatula again in the forum, or whoever it was .. |
| 23:25 |
paramat |
oops, it was 'lordfingle' |
| 23:32 |
paramat |
PM sent |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
however, 0.5 might negate this |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
as most Android clients likely won't update |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
i hope they won't but expect they will :] |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
however multicraft is not adding 0.5 changes so |
| 23:53 |
rubenwardy |
I am tempted to make my own ethical clone |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
if so, why not work on the official one? |
| 23:55 |
paramat |
i guess, more freedom to make it different |
| 23:58 |
paramat |
hm and multicraft has had > 1000,000 downloads (!) so since they're not updating to 0.5 that will be significant |
