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Megaf |
Aerozoic, its quite late |
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Megaf |
lots of people here are Europeans, and in Ireland is almost 4 AM already |
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Megaf |
other countries even later |
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Aerozoic |
I've just never noticed a streak like that before. |
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Megaf |
I have, not that rare |
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Aerozoic |
One of these days i'll get flightgear installed! XD |
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IhrFussel |
Hi guys |
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ThomasMonroe |
hi |
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Fixer |
hi |
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Shara |
Hello |
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Jordach |
>forgot about openspades |
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ircSparky |
is there a way to enable the "log" window for minetest 0.4.16? so I dont have to reopen debug.txt over and over? |
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IhrFussel |
ircSparky, on Linux use tail -F path/to/debug |
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Aerozoic |
Anybody know how to disable a channel topic if one has already been set? |
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IhrFussel |
What's the best way to choose a position nearby another position that's on the SURFACE of the map? |
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IhrFussel |
I mean I want the chosen position to be on the surface, the other position may be underground/underwater/in sky |
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Aerozoic |
i found it: /quote topic #channel : |
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sfan5 |
that will empty the topic |
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Aerozoic |
Yep, exactly what i was looking for :) |
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Calinou |
hi |
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Megaf_ |
Hello |
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Calinou |
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microsoft+illumiroom |
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Calinou |
heh, looking up this old things |
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Megaf_ |
I'm on GNUStep |
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Megaf_ |
talk old... |
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Calinou |
90% of the thumbnails feature Red Eclipse on the TV :) |
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Megf |
do a ctcp version on me |
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Megaf |
I need to find a browser for GNUStep |
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benrob0329 |
Megaf: GNUStep? Shall I break out Window Maker while your at it? |
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Calinou |
Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Megaf: TalkSoup.app 1.0alpha - http://talksoup.aeruder.net |
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Calinou |
heh, the homepage 404s |
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rdococ |
Hellooo humans! |
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rdococ |
I have my laptop back today. |
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Megaf |
benrob0329, GNUStep is my DE/Desktop and WindowMaker my Window Manager |
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Megaf |
like how compact and efficient these old interfaces are |
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Megaf |
Calinou, the version I'm using is from 2005, so yeah... |
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Megaf |
closed the wrong window :P |
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rdococ |
Might install a packet tracker, too. |
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benrob0329 |
Megaf: I like my Tiling Window manager, its super comact :P |
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benrob0329 |
*compact |
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Megaf |
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc-opteron&num=3 |
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Megaf |
Reading thios now |
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Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/chrome_2017-09-18_20-01-22.png |
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Calinou |
heh, GitHub now displays color code hints |
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Calinou |
see the white square next to #ffffff |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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rdococ |
Evaluating... |
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rdococ |
Result: 11 |
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tenplus1 |
hi rdococ |
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tenplus1 |
:P |
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Raven262 |
Hi tenplus1 |
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rdococ |
lol |
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tenplus1 |
hi raven o/ |
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rdococ |
\o/ |
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tenplus1 |
hi amaz |
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Amaz |
Hello ten :) |
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tenplus1 |
forgot to mention last night, Mobs Redo API has been updated, knock-back is a lot better |
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unk |
tenplus1, we are having issues with chicks dying after hatching...is there somethng we can change in the settings to prevent this? |
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tenplus1 |
hi unk |
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unk |
sorry hi:) |
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tenplus1 |
how you mean dying ? what's killing them ? |
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unk |
I think they are just disappearing after hatching |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
they are kinda small so can sneak through gaps and such |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
try to watch a few chicks and see what happens to them |
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unk |
will clarify and get back to you |
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tenplus1 |
kewl, than I can figure out what to do with them :P |
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unk |
posting quote: |
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unk |
<Billre> they start dying the instant they are hatched from eggs or bred |
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unk |
<Billre> and are dead in a few seconds |
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tenplus1 |
hrm, lemmie test it jsut now... gonna spawn a few chicks |
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unk |
k...thanks |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
k, this lil guy is walking around quite happy... no dying |
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tenplus1 |
so far :P |
| 19:28 |
unk |
hmmm...just downloaded the latest mod and restarted server...thought that would solve it but still same issue...not sure what to do...but must be something on my server then |
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tenplus1 |
are the chicks walking around something specific ? |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
like a special grass node ? |
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unk |
checking |
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tenplus1 |
mobs have suffocation if inside a solid node, so unless chicks are stuck inside such a node they should be fine wandering around... aven being stuck in a fence wont kill them, must be solid |
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unk |
ok |
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tenplus1 |
if mob suffocation is an issue and it kills too many by accident I will disable it |
| 19:34 |
unk |
quote: |
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unk |
<unkbot> <UCAdmin> I spawned them in the ethereal bamboo biome - on the ground |
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tenplus1 |
k, testing in bamboo biome |
| 19:35 |
unk |
thanks tenplus1 |
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rdococ |
pandas are secretly murderers killing animals with their bamboo :P |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
ah, it's the stepheight entity glitvh... |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
chicks are somehow walking INSIDE the bushes in the bamboo biome and suffocating |
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tenplus1 |
k, I will disable suffocation until that's properly fixed |
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unk |
ah...I see |
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unk |
ok |
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tenplus1 |
unk: you can download/install latest Mobs Redo API, it shoudl work fine with suffocation disabled for now |
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tenplus1 |
wb raven |
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unk |
cool...thanks...will do that now |
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Raven262 |
thx ten |
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Raven262 |
Back on linux (feels like home) |
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tenplus1 |
:P what distro ? |
| 19:43 |
Raven262 |
Kubuntu |
| 19:43 |
Raven262 |
Still |
| 19:43 |
Raven262 |
GIMP has problems on this OS |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
not bad :) nice n flashy that one :D |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
it does ?? |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
what's the issue ? |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
The toolbox and layers tab get under the main window if you don't select "above all" box in the window options of each. |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
Now, you have to do it every time you Alt+Tab |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
:P |
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tenplus1 |
cant you put it into single window mode, would be a lot easier and less layer issues |
| 19:45 |
Raven262 |
How? |
| 19:45 |
Raven262 |
I would love to |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
Window menu, single-window-mode |
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Amaz |
Single window mode makes gimp much more managable! |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, acts more like photoshop that way |
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Raven262 |
This is epic, thanks for the info :D |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
:p |
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Raven262 |
Btw, does minetest change texture's saturnation when rendering? |
| 19:48 |
Raven262 |
I seem to be getting really oversaturated/undersaturated textures in mt |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
could be a setting in one of the dev versions |
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unk |
tenplus1, the fix worked...thank you |
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tenplus1 |
glad to hear :) hope the stepheight glitch is fixed soon for 0.5.0 |
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rdococ |
hi |
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rdococ |
woffles. |
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tenplus1 |
erk, 34 players on Xanadu ~ 1.6sec lag |
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tenplus1 |
hi caleb |
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CalebDavis |
hi ten |
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CalebDavis |
i am working on a mod that makes it so that you burn in a more realistic manner |
| 20:05 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, how so ? tell meeeeeeee |
| 20:06 |
CalebDavis |
when you get in lava or fire it puts you on fire instead of just taking your health |
| 20:06 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, like mc :) nice |
| 20:06 |
CalebDavis |
yep :) |
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tenplus1 |
does it have a timer like poisoning in stamina/hbhunger ? |
| 20:07 |
CalebDavis |
yes |
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tenplus1 |
sweet :) I like it already |
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rdococ |
ooh |
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tenplus1 |
hi megaf |
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Guest30069 |
Ok, now out of GNUStep and back into the 21st century |
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Guest30069 |
GNOME 3 |
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tenplus1 |
any good ? |
| 20:23 |
rdococ |
puppy |
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Guest30069 |
Resintalled all desktop stack here, now from Debian Stable backports |
| 20:23 |
Guest30069 |
was quite tempted to going to Debian Buster, the 10th version. But meh |
| 20:24 |
Guest30069 |
they are even dropping X11 as default and adopting Wayland. |
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Fixer |
*,...,* |
| 20:24 |
rdococ |
£.,53. |
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tenplus1 |
if it works then all is good, you still have xwayland to fall back to |
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tenplus1 |
nite folks o/ |
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Megaf |
meh, never get him |
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Fixer |
*,,,,,* |
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rdococ |
£$$@% "~ |
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Megaf |
I'm on wayland now |
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Megaf |
I think |
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rdococ |
puppy |
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Megaf |
I don't get the puppy thing |
| 20:39 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/cazala/coin-hive |
| 20:40 |
Megaf |
One thing I hate about wayland, it that when your CPU gets busy, it locks your cursor |
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benrob0329 |
Megaf: RIP Wayland |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
I really don't get why make Wayland |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
for full featured things we have Xorg. It used to be great, just make it great again |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
for simple and slim things we have framebuffer |
| 20:50 |
benrob0329 |
Because the Open Source world will reinvent the wheel rather than change a tire |
| 20:50 |
Megaf |
as matter of fact, most Qt apps run on framebuffer without X |
| 20:51 |
benrob0329 |
We've seen it with Alsa, then Pulse, Systemd, X11, C, just to name a few |
| 20:52 |
Megaf |
well, Pulse does make things very easy |
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Megaf |
when it works |
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sofar |
X has a bunch of core architectural problems with it |
| 20:53 |
sofar |
that make it fundamentally insecure |
| 20:53 |
sofar |
(note: wayland wasn't designed to solve them, through, even though it actually does) |
| 20:54 |
benrob0329 |
I can excuse replacing X, but its not the first to have this happen |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
I think the graphical server should be in the kernel |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
close to the hardware |
| 20:54 |
Megaf |
perhaps based on or compatible with Vulkan |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
now we have good tools |
| 20:55 |
benrob0329 |
No, just no |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
yes |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
BeOS, Haiku, Mac, Windows NT, all 100% graphical |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
they all perform way better than Linux |
| 20:55 |
Megaf |
(on mac text mode is emulated) |
| 20:56 |
benrob0329 |
The graphics drivers should be at least a module, but the server should run on top of the framebuffer |
| 20:56 |
benrob0329 |
I dont always want a graphical environment, the fact that you dont need it is one of the best things about *nix |
| 20:57 |
benrob0329 |
Define "perform" |
| 20:57 |
rdococ |
windows is very good at going on stage and doing a stupid dance |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
Because last I checked most people have more graphical performance on Linux (with Minetest at least) |
| 20:58 |
Megaf |
My point is. Replacing X11 is pointless, it could be a great thing |
| 20:58 |
Megaf |
And, the kernel could provide the graphical stack programs need to run |
| 20:58 |
benrob0329 |
Replacing OSS was pointless, just look at FreeBSD |
| 20:59 |
benrob0329 |
But it happened anyways |
| 20:59 |
benrob0329 |
(For that matter, FreeBSD has mouse drivers in the frame buffer) |
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Megaf |
Wayland just crashed... |
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Megaf |
back to X11 |
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celeron55 |
8) |
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benrob0329 |
Wayland has no standard way of recording the screen either |
| 21:02 |
benrob0329 |
Hey c55 |
| 21:02 |
celeron55 |
I like this post by sofar: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=288173#p288173 |
| 21:03 |
benrob0329 |
*sigh* but certain distros will force an immature technology on people, and then it becomes a holy war |
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sofar |
celeron55: 15+ years of (professional) experience... but hey, it's just *my* opinion ;) |
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benrob0329 |
\*sigh\* and then there's Wuzzy |
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sofar |
lol |
| 21:06 |
sofar |
he didn't like my agpl/cc-by-ND project either |
| 21:07 |
benrob0329 |
Its not about what you think, its about respecting others. (Did I say that in that thread? Idr) |
| 21:07 |
sofar |
it's fine. I'm sure he'll complain about the music license later on |
| 21:07 |
benrob0329 |
Probably |
| 21:07 |
sofar |
since it's -NC :D |
| 21:08 |
sofar |
in any case, you can disable music on the server now so making video's shouldn't be restricted |
| 21:09 |
benrob0329 |
-NC is fine for some things, I don't personally like it for most but I respect the decisions of creators |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
I like how Wuzzy renamed the thread to "Admitting Defeat" in the reply |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
you can hide any message in the subject line of a reply, nobody will read it |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
I bumped the thread a bit (like some other people) because of some additional comments |
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Fixer |
*,....,* |
| 21:10 |
sofar |
wait, what thread was that? |
| 21:10 |
Calinou |
the WTFPL one |
| 21:10 |
Fixer |
Megaf: wayland will be ready soon *in 50 years |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
https://xkcd.com/1508/ |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
Calinou: elon mask project... |
| 21:12 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: *claps* |
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benrob0329 |
BSD is missing though |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
yeah, and no Plan 9, TempleOS or PonyOS either |
| 21:13 |
benrob0329 |
(It'd probably be the one that ks always a nich, but survives to rival Hurd) |
| 21:13 |
benrob0329 |
In other words: Its never popular but it survives |
| 21:14 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 21:14 |
Megaf |
where can I donwload macOS legally? It's available in the mac app store anyway |
| 21:14 |
Megaf |
I also want to download Windows 7 |
| 21:15 |
benrob0329 |
It'll also be what most Major OSes are based off of, ironically |
| 21:15 |
benrob0329 |
(Mac OS 10 and the PS3/4, and some other stuff is FreeBSD based already) |
| 21:15 |
Megaf |
PS4 is BSD based |
| 21:16 |
Megaf |
macOS is BSD based |
| 21:16 |
Megaf |
Haiku is a mix of BeOS and BSD |
| 21:17 |
benrob0329 |
BSS will take the market by becoming the market |
| 21:17 |
benrob0329 |
*BSD |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
Windows will be based on Linux in the future, mark my words |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
And by doing so will stinguish most of the Linux distros |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
Perhaps will buy Canonical and Novel |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
It kinda did already |
| 21:18 |
benrob0329 |
Nah, it'll just copy everything |
| 21:18 |
benrob0329 |
DOS was made to not be Unix |
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celeron55 |
as long as companies just keep making proprietary stuff off of BSD, it won't really take off from our perspectiv |
| 21:19 |
celeron55 |
+e |
| 21:19 |
Fixer |
Microsoft had their own UNIX in 80s, so having MS Linux distro is not unusual |
| 21:20 |
celeron55 |
the open source BSDs have to become popular in order to make it matter in projects like MT |
| 21:20 |
* benrob0329 |
plans on running BSD one of these days |
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rdococ |
celery! |
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benrob0329 |
w0t? |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
BSD is... weird |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
it feels like Linux, but it isnt |
| 21:22 |
benrob0329 |
BSD is awesome |
| 21:22 |
benrob0329 |
The commands make sense |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
feels like mac to, but its not mac either |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
I kinda feel a little lost on BSD |
| 21:22 |
benrob0329 |
mixer 50 to set the volume, pkg is the package manager |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
I rather use macOS that looks like macOS and have all BSD commands or use Haiku, that just follows POSIX |
| 21:22 |
benrob0329 |
rsync is no longer the odd one out with the directory slash |
| 21:23 |
benrob0329 |
Anyways, back to decapitating the grass |
| 21:24 |
Megaf |
!server |
| 21:24 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: VAMPIRES WORLD | minetesthosting.com | Port: 30896 | Clients: 1/1 | Version: 0.4.14 | Ping: 113ms |
| 21:24 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 21:24 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>] |
| 21:24 |
Megaf |
!server mt.megaf.info |
| 21:24 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>] |
| 21:24 |
Megaf |
!server mt.megaf.info,30003 |
| 21:24 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>] |
| 21:25 |
Megaf |
I give up |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
"Hi abc1736549752, |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
You're receiving this email because you requested a password reset for your EA Account. If you did not request this change, you can safely ignore this email." |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
first, my ID is not that |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
second, I don't have an EA account |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
maaaaaaaan |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
minimap is sooo taxing on fps |
| 21:31 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6429#issuecomment-330362337 |
| 21:48 |
Fixer |
holy crapppp |
| 21:48 |
Fixer |
that carpathian seed is insanely flat |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
<Fixer> minimap is sooo taxing on fps |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
yeah :( |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
I disable it |
| 21:50 |
Fixer |
even minimap mod for mc beta 1.7.3 runs flawlessly compared to ours |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
yep, Rei's minimap was cool |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
(but proprietary) |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
(just like VoxelMap, even today) |
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| 21:55 |
Fixer |
yeah, reis one |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
"Please do not modifications to enable mob radar on all servers." |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
English wasn't Rei's strength :) |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
(he's Japanese) |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
still amazing |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
fps |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
and enabling it in minetest @ fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
-30% of fps down or more |
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Fixer |
carpathian 2000x2000 area alt map: https://i.imgur.com/XmDxuQ5.jpg |
| 22:03 |
Fixer |
flat seed |
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Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XqrSJ3RMY |
| 22:25 |
CalebDavis |
i am creating a particle spawner that is attached to the player but the particles only show up within (-100, -100) and (100, 100) |
| 22:30 |
CalebDavis |
is there a reason for that? |
| 22:32 |
Fixer |
CalebDavis: yep |
| 22:32 |
Fixer |
CalebDavis: there is restriction of distance for them since not long ago |
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| 22:34 |
CalebDavis |
but i am right next to the spawner |
| 22:34 |
Fixer |
CalebDavis: don't remember if it reactivates though when you come into range |
| 22:37 |
CalebDavis |
yes it does but the range seems to be calculated based on (0,0,0) not on my location |
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| 23:01 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: didn't he leave minetest though? |
| 23:03 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXs0Yy5-0Y BESTEST |
| 23:07 |
benrob0329 |
Oook then |
| 23:07 |
benrob0329 |
Answer: Don't use Windows, for other reasons too |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
Fixer, how about update on time instead of deferring like fuck |
| 23:36 |
Jordach |
i've avoided all the major malware by doing so |
| 23:37 |
Fixer |
Jordach: to be slave of the MS? |
| 23:37 |
Jordach |
Fixer, updates are provided for a reason |
| 23:37 |
Jordach |
just like arch |
| 23:37 |
Fixer |
Jordach: he can update, but after doing his work, there is no need to DEEP THROAT HIM |
| 23:37 |
Jordach |
update or suffer the zero-day |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
Jordach: thats his choice |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
to suffer 0-day or not |
| 23:38 |
Jordach |
Fixer, and that there is the reason for the forced updates |
| 23:38 |
Jordach |
self darwinism :^) |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
nanny MS |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
it should be within reason |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
not this forced shutdown in the middle of your work |
| 23:39 |
Jordach |
if you want control, go Pro |
| 23:39 |
Jordach |
Home was meant for grandparents and technically inept |
| 23:40 |
Jordach |
not prosumers or power users |
| 23:40 |
Fixer |
Jordach: close to nobody cares about 0-day, there are countless XXX millions or billions of PC/devices without updates and it just lives how it lives, someone get hacked, someone data destroyed, they reinstall that WinShit and start it over |
| 23:41 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's the result of people being complacent and not wanting to learn |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
it just MS does updates in really shitty ways |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
they can install updates in background and then apply on next startup, what the fucking problem? |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it already does that in CU1 |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
(mine actually works like that) |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
Jordach: what is CU1? |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
Creators Update 1 |
| 23:42 |
Jordach |
the next one is soom*tm |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
ok |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
ms relearns basics |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
maybe they learn in 10 years not to redo UI every release |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
and not cripple the OS |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
generally |
| 23:45 |
Jordach |
Fixer, google redos their UI every 3 days |
| 23:45 |
Jordach |
where's the complaints for that |
| 23:45 |
Fixer |
Jordach: fuck google, fuck ms |
| 23:45 |
Fixer |
lots of companies do that shit |
| 23:45 |
Fixer |
it annoys a lot of people incl me |
| 23:46 |
Fixer |
next day some moron-hipster decides today UI is not fancy enough and makes it 4D shit with controls via your anus or smth |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
>thinks node.js is better than LAMP |
| 23:47 |
Fixer |
they forgot that this shit... called OS is just a thing for managing hardware and letting user do its job via programs |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
>breaks entire server |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
PHP is so much better than node |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
different tastes of shit |
| 23:48 |
Jordach |
Fixer, at least PHP is stable and doesn't have retarded handling |
| 23:48 |
Fixer |
and js is just cancer |
| 23:52 |
Fixer |
i'm really waiting for smth bigger and smarter than 0 day |
| 23:52 |
Fixer |
like covertly compromising some win 10 update, pushing it to everyone and boom |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
smth that is widely used and relied on |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
but on global scale |
| 23:53 |
Fixer |
maybe in many places at the same time |
