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02:28 Topic for #minetest-hub is now http://hub.minetest.net/info | http://hub.minetest.net/regulars | Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/
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02:37 Megaf Aerozoic, its quite late
02:38 Megaf lots of people here are Europeans, and in Ireland is almost 4 AM already
02:38 Megaf other countries even later
02:38 Aerozoic I've just never noticed a streak like that before.
02:39 Megaf I have, not that rare
02:55 Aerozoic One of these days i'll get flightgear installed! XD
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11:38 IhrFussel Hi guys
11:40 ThomasMonroe hi
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11:48 Fixer hi
11:49 Shara Hello
12:03 Jordach >forgot about openspades
12:13 ircSparky is there a way to enable the "log" window for minetest 0.4.16? so I dont have to reopen debug.txt over and over?
12:25 IhrFussel ircSparky, on Linux use tail -F path/to/debug
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13:08 Aerozoic Anybody know how to disable a channel topic if one has already been set?
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13:15 IhrFussel What's the best way to choose a position nearby another position that's on the SURFACE of the map?
13:15 IhrFussel I mean I want the chosen position to be on the surface, the other position may be underground/underwater/in sky
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13:44 Aerozoic i found it:  /quote topic #channel :
13:44 sfan5 that will empty the topic
13:45 Aerozoic Yep, exactly what i was looking for :)
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17:24 Calinou hi
17:24 Megaf_ Hello
17:24 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/results?s​earch_query=microsoft+illumiroom
17:24 Calinou heh, looking up this old things
17:24 Megaf_ I'm on GNUStep
17:24 Megaf_ talk old...
17:24 Calinou 90% of the thumbnails feature Red Eclipse on the TV :)
17:25 Megf do a ctcp version on me
17:25 Megaf I need to find a browser for GNUStep
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17:26 benrob0329 Megaf: GNUStep? Shall I break out Window Maker while your at it?
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17:35 Calinou Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Megaf: TalkSoup.app 1.0alpha - http://talksoup.aeruder.net
17:35 Calinou heh, the homepage 404s
17:37 rdococ Hellooo humans!
17:37 rdococ I have my laptop back today.
17:39 Megaf benrob0329, GNUStep is my DE/Desktop and WindowMaker my Window Manager
17:40 Megaf like how compact and efficient these old interfaces are
17:41 Megaf Calinou, the version I'm using is from 2005, so yeah...
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17:43 Megaf closed the wrong window :P
17:47 rdococ Might install a packet tracker, too.
17:51 benrob0329 Megaf: I like my Tiling Window manager, its super comact :P
17:51 benrob0329 *compact
17:55 Megaf https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ar​ticle&item=amd-epyc-opteron&num=3
17:55 Megaf Reading thios now
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18:03 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/chro​me_2017-09-18_20-01-22.png
18:03 Calinou heh, GitHub now displays color code hints
18:03 Calinou see the white square next to #ffffff
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19:14 tenplus1 hi folks
19:15 rdococ Evaluating...
19:15 rdococ Result: 11
19:15 tenplus1 hi rdococ
19:15 tenplus1 :P
19:15 Raven262 Hi tenplus1
19:15 rdococ lol
19:15 tenplus1 hi raven o/
19:15 rdococ \o/
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19:16 tenplus1 hi amaz
19:16 Amaz Hello ten :)
19:17 tenplus1 forgot to mention last night, Mobs Redo API has been updated, knock-back is a lot better
19:21 unk tenplus1, we are having issues with chicks dying after hatching...is there somethng we can change in the settings to prevent this?
19:21 tenplus1 hi unk
19:22 unk sorry hi:)
19:22 tenplus1 how you mean dying ? what's killing them ?
19:22 unk I think they are just disappearing after hatching
19:23 tenplus1 they are kinda small so can sneak through gaps and such
19:23 tenplus1 try to watch a few chicks and see what happens to them
19:23 unk will clarify and get back to you
19:24 tenplus1 kewl, than I can figure out what to do with them :P
19:26 unk posting quote:
19:26 unk <Billre> they start dying the instant they are hatched from eggs or bred
19:26 unk <Billre> and are dead in a few seconds
19:26 tenplus1 hrm, lemmie test it jsut now... gonna spawn a few chicks
19:26 unk k...thanks
19:27 tenplus1 k, this lil guy is walking around quite happy... no dying
19:27 tenplus1 so far :P
19:28 unk hmmm...just downloaded the latest mod and restarted server...thought that would solve it but still same issue...not sure what to do...but must be something on my server then
19:28 tenplus1 are the chicks walking around something specific ?
19:29 tenplus1 like a special grass node ?
19:29 unk checking
19:30 tenplus1 mobs have suffocation if inside a solid node, so unless chicks are stuck inside such a node they should be fine wandering around... aven being stuck in a fence wont kill them, must be solid
19:30 unk ok
19:32 tenplus1 if mob suffocation is an issue and it kills too many by accident I will disable it
19:34 unk quote:
19:34 unk <unkbot> <UCAdmin> I spawned them in the ethereal bamboo biome - on the ground
19:35 tenplus1 k, testing in bamboo biome
19:35 unk thanks tenplus1
19:36 rdococ pandas are secretly murderers killing animals with their bamboo :P
19:38 tenplus1 ah, it's the stepheight entity glitvh...
19:38 tenplus1 chicks are somehow walking INSIDE the bushes in the bamboo biome and suffocating
19:39 tenplus1 k, I will disable suffocation until that's properly fixed
19:39 unk ah...I see
19:39 unk ok
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19:41 tenplus1 unk: you can download/install latest Mobs Redo API, it shoudl work fine with suffocation disabled for now
19:41 tenplus1 wb raven
19:41 unk cool...thanks...will do that now
19:42 Raven262 thx ten
19:42 Raven262 Back on linux (feels like home)
19:42 tenplus1 :P what distro ?
19:43 Raven262 Kubuntu
19:43 Raven262 Still
19:43 Raven262 GIMP has problems on this OS
19:43 tenplus1 not bad :) nice n flashy that one :D
19:44 tenplus1 it does ??
19:44 tenplus1 what's the issue ?
19:44 Raven262 The toolbox and layers tab get under the main window if you don't select "above all" box in the window options of each.
19:44 Raven262 Now, you have to do it every time you Alt+Tab
19:44 Raven262 :P
19:45 tenplus1 cant you put it into single window mode, would be a lot easier and less layer issues
19:45 Raven262 How?
19:45 Raven262 I would love to
19:45 tenplus1 Window menu, single-window-mode
19:46 Amaz Single window mode makes gimp much more managable!
19:46 tenplus1 yeah, acts more like photoshop that way
19:46 Raven262 This is epic, thanks for the info :D
19:47 tenplus1 :p
19:48 Raven262 Btw, does minetest change texture's saturnation when rendering?
19:48 Raven262 I seem to be getting really oversaturated/undersaturated textures in mt
19:50 tenplus1 could be a setting in one of the dev versions
19:58 unk tenplus1, the fix worked...thank you
19:59 tenplus1 glad to hear :) hope the stepheight glitch is fixed soon for 0.5.0
20:00 rdococ hi
20:00 rdococ woffles.
20:02 tenplus1 erk, 34 players on Xanadu ~ 1.6sec lag
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20:03 tenplus1 hi caleb
20:03 CalebDavis hi ten
20:05 CalebDavis i am working on a mod that makes it so that you burn in a more realistic manner
20:05 tenplus1 ooh, how so ? tell meeeeeeee
20:06 CalebDavis when you get in lava or fire it puts you on fire instead of just taking your health
20:06 tenplus1 ooh, like mc :) nice
20:06 CalebDavis yep :)
20:06 tenplus1 does it have a timer like poisoning in stamina/hbhunger ?
20:07 CalebDavis yes
20:07 tenplus1 sweet :) I like it already
20:08 rdococ ooh
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20:23 tenplus1 hi megaf
20:23 Guest30069 Ok, now out of GNUStep and back into the 21st century
20:23 Guest30069 GNOME 3
20:23 tenplus1 any good ?
20:23 rdococ puppy
20:23 Guest30069 Resintalled all desktop stack here, now from Debian Stable backports
20:23 Guest30069 was quite tempted to going to Debian Buster, the 10th version. But meh
20:24 Guest30069 they are even dropping X11 as default and adopting Wayland.
20:24 Fixer *,...,*
20:24 rdococ £.,53.
20:25 tenplus1 if it works then all is good, you still have xwayland to fall back to
20:26 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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20:27 Megaf meh, never get him
20:29 Fixer *,,,,,*
20:30 rdococ £$$@% "~
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20:32 Megaf I'm on wayland now
20:32 Megaf I think
20:37 rdococ puppy
20:38 Megaf I don't get the puppy thing
20:39 Fixer https://github.com/cazala/coin-hive
20:40 Megaf One thing I hate about wayland, it that when your CPU gets busy, it locks your cursor
20:46 benrob0329 Megaf: RIP Wayland
20:49 Megaf I really don't get why make Wayland
20:49 Megaf for full featured things we have Xorg. It used to be great, just make it great again
20:49 Megaf for simple and slim things we have framebuffer
20:50 benrob0329 Because the Open Source world will reinvent the wheel rather than change a tire
20:50 Megaf as matter of fact, most Qt apps run on framebuffer without X
20:51 benrob0329 We've seen it with Alsa, then Pulse, Systemd, X11, C, just to name a few
20:52 Megaf well, Pulse does make things very easy
20:52 Megaf when it works
20:53 sofar X has a bunch of core architectural problems with it
20:53 sofar that make it fundamentally insecure
20:53 sofar (note: wayland wasn't designed to solve them, through, even though it actually does)
20:54 benrob0329 I can excuse replacing X, but its not the first to have this happen
20:54 Megaf I think the graphical server should be in the kernel
20:54 Megaf close to the hardware
20:54 Megaf perhaps based on or compatible with Vulkan
20:55 Megaf now we have good tools
20:55 benrob0329 No, just no
20:55 Megaf yes
20:55 Megaf BeOS, Haiku, Mac, Windows NT, all 100% graphical
20:55 Megaf they all perform way better than Linux
20:55 Megaf (on mac text mode is emulated)
20:56 benrob0329 The graphics drivers should be at least a module, but the server should run on top of the framebuffer
20:56 benrob0329 I dont always want a graphical environment, the fact that you dont need it is one of the best things about *nix
20:57 benrob0329 Define "perform"
20:57 rdococ windows is very good at going on stage and doing a stupid dance
20:58 benrob0329 Because last I checked most people have more graphical performance on Linux (with Minetest at least)
20:58 Megaf My point is. Replacing X11 is pointless, it could be a great thing
20:58 Megaf And, the kernel could provide the graphical stack programs need to run
20:58 benrob0329 Replacing OSS was pointless, just look at FreeBSD
20:59 benrob0329 But it happened anyways
20:59 benrob0329 (For that matter, FreeBSD has mouse drivers in the frame buffer)
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21:01 Megaf Wayland just crashed...
21:01 Megaf back to X11
21:01 celeron55 8)
21:01 benrob0329 Wayland has no standard way of recording the screen either
21:02 benrob0329 Hey c55
21:02 celeron55 I like this post by sofar: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=288173#p288173
21:03 benrob0329 *sigh* but certain distros will force an immature technology on people, and then it becomes a holy war
21:03 sofar celeron55: 15+ years of (professional) experience... but hey, it's just *my* opinion ;)
21:04 benrob0329 \*sigh\* and then there's Wuzzy
21:05 sofar lol
21:06 sofar he didn't like my agpl/cc-by-ND project either
21:07 benrob0329 Its not about what you think, its about respecting others. (Did I say that in that thread? Idr)
21:07 sofar it's fine. I'm sure he'll complain about the music license later on
21:07 benrob0329 Probably
21:07 sofar since it's -NC :D
21:08 sofar in any case, you can disable music on the server now so making video's shouldn't be restricted
21:09 benrob0329 -NC is fine for some things, I don't personally like it for most but I respect the decisions of creators
21:09 Calinou I like how Wuzzy renamed the thread to "Admitting Defeat" in the reply
21:09 Calinou you can hide any message in the subject line of a reply, nobody will read it
21:09 Calinou I bumped the thread a bit (like some other people) because of some additional comments
21:10 Fixer *,....,*
21:10 sofar wait, what thread was that?
21:10 Calinou the WTFPL one
21:10 Fixer Megaf: wayland will be ready soon *in 50 years
21:11 Calinou https://xkcd.com/1508/
21:12 Fixer Calinou: elon mask project...
21:12 benrob0329 Calinou: *claps*
21:13 benrob0329 BSD is missing though
21:13 Calinou yeah, and no Plan 9, TempleOS or PonyOS either
21:13 benrob0329 (It'd probably be the one that ks always a nich, but survives to rival Hurd)
21:13 benrob0329 In other words: Its never popular but it survives
21:14 Megaf lol
21:14 Megaf where can I donwload macOS legally? It's available in the mac app store anyway
21:14 Megaf I also want to download Windows 7
21:15 benrob0329 It'll also be what most Major OSes are based off of, ironically
21:15 benrob0329 (Mac OS 10 and the PS3/4, and some other stuff is FreeBSD based already)
21:15 Megaf PS4 is BSD based
21:16 Megaf macOS is BSD based
21:16 Megaf Haiku is a mix of BeOS and BSD
21:17 benrob0329 BSS will take the market by becoming the market
21:17 benrob0329 *BSD
21:17 Megaf Windows will be based on Linux in the future, mark my words
21:18 Megaf And by doing so will stinguish most of the Linux distros
21:18 Megaf Perhaps will buy Canonical and Novel
21:18 Megaf It kinda did already
21:18 benrob0329 Nah, it'll just copy everything
21:18 benrob0329 DOS was made to not be Unix
21:19 celeron55 as long as companies just keep making proprietary stuff off of BSD, it won't really take off from our perspectiv
21:19 celeron55 +e
21:19 Fixer Microsoft had their own UNIX in 80s, so having MS Linux distro is not unusual
21:20 celeron55 the open source BSDs have to become popular in order to make it matter in projects like MT
21:20 * benrob0329 plans on running BSD one of these days
21:21 rdococ celery!
21:22 benrob0329 w0t?
21:22 Megaf BSD is... weird
21:22 Megaf it feels like Linux, but it isnt
21:22 benrob0329 BSD is awesome
21:22 benrob0329 The commands make sense
21:22 Megaf feels like mac to, but its not mac either
21:22 Megaf I kinda feel a little lost on BSD
21:22 benrob0329 mixer 50 to set the volume, pkg is the package manager
21:22 Megaf I rather use macOS that looks like macOS and have all BSD commands or use Haiku, that just follows POSIX
21:22 benrob0329 rsync is no longer the odd one out with the directory slash
21:23 benrob0329 Anyways, back to decapitating the grass
21:24 Megaf !server
21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: VAMPIRES WORLD | minetesthosting.com | Port: 30896 | Clients: 1/1 | Version: 0.4.14 | Ping: 113ms
21:24 Megaf !server Megaf
21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
21:24 Megaf !server mt.megaf.info
21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
21:24 Megaf !server mt.megaf.info,30003
21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
21:25 Megaf I give up
21:26 Megaf "Hi abc1736549752,
21:26 Megaf You're receiving this email because you requested a password reset for your EA Account. If you did not request this change, you can safely ignore this email."
21:26 Megaf lol
21:26 Megaf first, my ID is not that
21:26 Megaf second, I don't have an EA account
21:30 Fixer maaaaaaaan
21:30 Fixer minimap is sooo taxing on fps
21:31 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/6429#issuecomment-330362337
21:32 bigfoot547 Fixer: +1
21:48 Fixer holy crapppp
21:48 Fixer that carpathian seed is insanely flat
21:49 Calinou <Fixer> minimap is sooo taxing on fps
21:49 Calinou yeah :(
21:49 Calinou I disable it
21:50 Fixer even minimap mod for mc beta 1.7.3 runs flawlessly compared to ours
21:54 Calinou yep, Rei's minimap was cool
21:54 Calinou (but proprietary)
21:54 Calinou (just like VoxelMap, even today)
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21:55 Fixer yeah, reis one
21:56 Calinou "Please do not modifications to enable mob radar on all servers."
21:56 Calinou English wasn't Rei's strength :)
21:56 Calinou (he's Japanese)
21:57 Fixer still amazing
21:57 Fixer fps
21:57 Fixer and enabling it in minetest @ fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
21:57 Fixer -30% of fps down or more
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22:02 Fixer carpathian 2000x2000 area alt map: https://i.imgur.com/XmDxuQ5.jpg
22:03 Fixer flat seed
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22:20 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XqrSJ3RMY
22:25 CalebDavis i am creating a particle spawner that is attached to the player but the particles only show up within (-100, -100) and (100, 100)
22:30 CalebDavis is there a reason for that?
22:32 Fixer CalebDavis: yep
22:32 Fixer CalebDavis: there is restriction of distance for them since not long ago
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22:34 CalebDavis but i am right next to the spawner
22:34 Fixer CalebDavis: don't remember if it reactivates though when you come into range
22:37 CalebDavis yes it does but the range seems to be calculated based on (0,0,0) not on my location
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23:01 benrob0329 Calinou: didn't he leave minetest though?
23:03 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXs0Yy5-0Y BESTEST
23:07 benrob0329 Oook then
23:07 benrob0329 Answer: Don't use Windows, for other reasons too
23:36 Jordach Fixer, how about update on time instead of deferring like fuck
23:36 Jordach i've avoided all the major malware by doing so
23:37 Fixer Jordach: to be slave of the MS?
23:37 Jordach Fixer, updates are provided for a reason
23:37 Jordach just like arch
23:37 Fixer Jordach: he can update, but after doing his work, there is no need to DEEP THROAT HIM
23:37 Jordach update or suffer the zero-day
23:38 Fixer Jordach: thats his choice
23:38 Fixer to suffer 0-day or not
23:38 Jordach Fixer, and that there is the reason for the forced updates
23:38 Jordach self darwinism :^)
23:38 Fixer nanny MS
23:39 Fixer it should be within reason
23:39 Fixer not this forced shutdown in the middle of your work
23:39 Jordach if you want control, go Pro
23:39 Jordach Home was meant for grandparents and technically inept
23:40 Jordach not prosumers or power users
23:40 Fixer Jordach: close to nobody cares about 0-day, there are countless XXX millions or billions of PC/devices without updates and it just lives how it lives, someone get hacked, someone data destroyed, they reinstall that WinShit and start it over
23:41 Jordach Fixer, it's the result of people being complacent and not wanting to learn
23:41 Fixer it just MS does updates in really shitty ways
23:42 Fixer they can install updates in background and then apply on next startup, what the fucking problem?
23:42 Jordach Fixer, it already does that in CU1
23:42 Jordach (mine actually works like that)
23:42 Fixer Jordach: what is CU1?
23:42 Jordach Creators Update 1
23:42 Jordach the next one is soom*tm
23:43 Fixer ok
23:43 Fixer ms relearns basics
23:44 Fixer maybe they learn in 10 years not to redo UI every release
23:44 Fixer and not cripple the OS
23:44 Fixer generally
23:45 Jordach Fixer, google redos their UI every 3 days
23:45 Jordach where's the complaints for that
23:45 Fixer Jordach: fuck google, fuck ms
23:45 Fixer lots of companies do that shit
23:45 Fixer it annoys a lot of people incl me
23:46 Fixer next day some moron-hipster decides today UI is not fancy enough and makes it 4D shit with controls via your anus or smth
23:47 Jordach >thinks node.js is better than LAMP
23:47 Fixer they forgot that this shit... called OS is just a thing for managing hardware and letting user do its job via programs
23:47 Jordach >breaks entire server
23:48 Jordach PHP is so much better than node
23:48 Fixer different tastes of shit
23:48 Jordach Fixer, at least PHP is stable and doesn't have retarded handling
23:48 Fixer and js is just cancer
23:52 Fixer i'm really waiting for smth bigger and smarter than 0 day
23:52 Fixer like covertly compromising some win 10 update, pushing it to everyone and boom
23:53 Fixer smth that is widely used and relied on
23:53 Fixer but on global scale
23:53 Fixer maybe in many places at the same time

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