Time Nick Message 00:23 benrob0329 nerzhul: is it possible to add a git option to the FreeBSD port? 00:24 benrob0329 That could be a cool way of building git without needing a separate package 02:15 ircSparky can an object set its model or texture to a model or texture file from a different mod? 02:17 paramat yes if it depends on that mod 02:17 ircSparky ok 02:18 paramat or, i expect so :] 02:18 ircSparky so there wouldn't be an easy way to change a player's model with //lua from WE? 02:18 ircSparky (turn them into a chicken) 02:22 paramat not sure what // can do in WE 02:23 ircSparky what i tried was 02:23 ircSparky //lua minetest.get_player_by_name("sparky"):set_properties({mesh = "creatures:creatures_chicken.b3d" }) 02:24 ircSparky but it sounds like that would only workif the model was saved in worldedit, or a dependant mod 02:33 benrob0329 ircSparky: you could add a custom mod as an optional dependency of WE 02:33 benrob0329 And have that mod depend on all the others 02:34 ircSparky k, thanks! 03:22 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/IrACoP5Rehg 03:22 benrob0329 Why do I feel like Minetest could be that engine, if we pushed it a little 03:26 sofar because you have unrealistic expectations? 03:26 sofar :P 03:28 benrob0329 sofar: Half Life is from 1996, surely we can at least reach that level of modernness? 03:29 sofar I'm not even sure what you think is bad about minetest. in essence I see nothing that MT couldn't do 03:29 benrob0329 It lacks real physics, proper lighting, shaders of any kind 03:30 sofar that video wasn't exactly rich on shaders either 03:30 benrob0329 Our biggest problem is how much of a pain entities are to work with 03:31 benrob0329 And how laggy particles are 03:31 sofar solution: entity_ai 03:31 sofar solution: csm particles 03:31 benrob0329 Exactly 03:31 sofar plus csm code sending 03:31 benrob0329 Minetest could be used for that kind of mapping 03:32 benrob0329 Solution: actually saving all entities 03:32 benrob0329 Or is that not a problem anymore? 03:33 sofar they're already saved 03:33 sofar the remaining issue is that /clearobjects nukes them 03:33 sofar plus, irregardless, the problem isn't saving entities 03:33 sofar the problem is a proper spawning engine 03:34 sofar something I intend to tackle along with entity_ai 03:34 benrob0329 Also, we don't have a handy way to have look, but don't touch maps 03:34 benrob0329 Or gamemode included maps 03:35 benrob0329 You would have to define all custom nodes 03:36 benrob0329 And then you have to use special tools to edit (as we see with insidethebox) 03:38 sofar huh? 03:39 sofar insidethebox's edit tool was a quick workaroung an engine bug 03:39 sofar one that was fixed in 0.4.16 03:39 sofar so we're phasing the edit tool out atm 03:40 sofar player specific "no touch" maps could be easily implemented already 03:40 sofar just remove the interact priv, for instance 03:40 sofar that's just one solution 03:40 sofar besides, if any, itb demonstrates that all these things are possible and doable 03:50 benrob0329 sofar: no ineract is a little too far, doors still need to be openable, just that the map can't be chopped through 03:51 sofar yeah, which is what itb does 03:51 sofar that's not even challenging tbh 04:02 sofar itb isn't a super complex thing, it just combines some creative solutions to scalability problems that a straight mtg derived approach wouldn't be able to sustain 04:02 sofar for instance how we store/load boxes 04:02 sofar but we don't escape lua at all 04:02 paramat MT is a voxel game engine, it's not meant to look like a realistic half life type FPS game 04:03 sofar well with models it totally could 04:03 sofar who says you need to use nodes 04:03 sofar MT could care less, you can make a game in MT and never program a single node 04:03 sofar (sure, add air and a few things to shut up mapgen ;)) 04:04 sofar heck, you could program a game entirely with particles alone 04:05 paramat yes 04:06 sofar my next project: multiplayer server where you can play tetris 04:06 sofar kek 04:06 sofar heck that would totes be doable 04:06 sofar falling nodes? check 04:18 benrob0329 paramat: half life is far from realistic 04:18 benrob0329 Watch that video, everything has a very low res, even blocky feel to it 04:19 benrob0329 The most complicated thing I can see is the slide out drawers that push the player away 04:22 benrob0329 Well that an lip sync, even if it is 90s lip sync 04:23 paramat yeah, as sofar wrote we could probably get close, but still, MT isn't for that type of game 05:15 benrob0329 I wonder what a high poly tech demo map for minetest would look like... 05:17 benrob0329 Perhaps I should attempt that, just for fun 13:05 rubenwardy CSM particles won't make particles faster 13:05 rubenwardy The problem is that each particle is drawn as an individual scene node 13:28 nerzhul it just permit to prevent latency from serverf, it's a little enhancement but not optimal 13:40 DS-minetest hi 14:20 Fixer *,,,,,,* 14:20 Fixer mt particles are joke 14:21 Fixer until recently you can shutdown any play on server by enabling just 10 water faucets 14:21 Fixer with fps going down to unplayable levels 14:24 Fixer actually you can still nuclear bomb certain place with faucets, it will affect only that area though, you can troll someone but placing secret faucet bomb underground and enable them 14:24 Fixer by* 14:24 Fixer enabling* 14:25 Fixer servers with homedecor is good target 14:27 Fixer hmmhmhmhmhm 14:28 Bobr2 hi 14:46 nerzhul Fixer, kim jong il ? 14:47 Fixer nerzhul: of minetest 14:48 benrob0329 Kim Wat Er 14:58 Fixer nerzhul: in kim's voice "I will bomb your 0.4.15 server, 20 nuclear faucet bomb will destroy you" 15:00 Fixer "patches aimed at fixing a hole in .Net that allowed a bad RTF file" 15:00 Fixer nice, I love smell of uranium at morning 15:00 Fixer but in IT 15:00 Fixer "Critical Bluetooth flaw could put nearly every connected device at risk of cyberattack" 15:01 Fixer could you feel it getting "better"? 15:04 Fixer any OS 15:21 benrob0329 Whats the flaw @Fixer? 15:27 Fixer benrob0329: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/blueborne-bluetooth-security-flaws,news-25836.html 15:29 benrob0329 Oh yeah, maybe getting rid of the headphone Jack wasn't such a good idea 15:46 Fixer hahha 15:47 Fixer that was for profit 15:57 Fixer benrob0329: basically they dump it down to extract more profit, even my cheap halfdecade old shitphone has headphone jack, and buyers of new stuff are loosers now 16:31 benrob0329 Hi tumeninodes, IhrFussel 16:31 IhrFussel Fixer, wouldn't work on my server...I heavily reduced the particles per second that appear...you would probably need 100+ faucets to make FPS drop a lot 16:32 tumeninodes Hi benrob, IhrFussel 16:32 tumeninodes benrob, I've been playing with the tardis... purty cool 16:33 tumeninodes have not had a chance/time to really do anything texture wise yet 16:33 benrob0329 Thanks, if you notice any bugs don't hesitate to make an issue :-) 16:34 tumeninodes well, it did take ame a few seconds to figure out I had to click the invisi-block at the door to get outside haha :P other than this I have seen no issues. May want to alter the selection box sizes though for the switch and the control panel 16:35 tumeninodes hi Krock 16:36 Krock hi tumeninodes 16:38 tumeninodes it was good to learn about the process for textures and the difference between .png and .jpg when using pixel art for a game, thank you. 16:38 Krock Offtopic: http://www.overclockers.com.au/images/newspics/8sep17/6.jpg 16:38 Krock np. 17:01 Fixer IhrFussel: hehe 17:08 IhrFussel And hi back 17:08 Fixer "It amazes me that of the 63 comments on this, other than Linux fan boys saying switch to Linux, the entire discussion is around the grammar of the title of the post. There's no discussion of what the bug is, how it manifests, how to trigger it, or what the possible ramifications are, or whether anyone actually doing AV products is actually relying on this information." 17:08 Fixer ^ internet in 2017 17:13 IhrFussel Do you consider tamable NPCs "slavery"? xP 17:18 Sokomine ihrfussel: it's just incomplete labeling as well :-) you don't "tame" them. you "bribe" them with a "salary" to work for you 17:23 Shara Hello 17:30 IhrFussel Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is =P 17:30 IhrFussel Hi Shara and nerzhul 17:31 Shara Hi Fussel 17:34 tumeninodes Hi Sokomine and Shara 17:35 tumeninodes anyone wanna go over to #minetest and help deltasquared with a question regarding optional depends? 17:35 Sokomine IhrFussel: well, it gets a bit..odd..when you start breeding them. but breeding is odd in mobs_redo anyway. in theory, more food = good time to produce offsprings might still apply, and it does work gameplay-wise. i just don't like how they throw hearts around 17:36 Sokomine currently still busy with hardware coloring and the saw and my colormachine 17:36 nerzhul https://thehackernews.com/2017/09/windows-10-linux-evade-malware.html?m=1 hahaha 17:38 tumeninodes dangit, I originally logged in with a particles question and now forget what it was :P 17:39 CWz i wonder why my linux mint downloads keep failing 17:48 benrob0329 Hey Calinou 17:48 benrob0329 Glad you joined us on the Matrix side :P 17:51 Fixer IhrFussel: no need for NPCs, there are players who actually want to be your slave 17:54 rubenwardy I would try out Matrix 17:54 rubenwardy but then I'd have to deal with the shame of being a Matrix user 17:55 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/Yd6NBm6w91.jpg 17:55 benrob0329 How is it shameful to use a federated,service? 18:04 Krock IRC is the only true communication service 18:06 sofar kind invite for folks to come play on "Inside the box" and give feedback, we have ~35 excellent puzzles at the moment, and builders making more as we speak 18:06 sofar I especially could use code/idea feedback ;) 18:09 sofar It also may be an excellent place where fanatic builders may showcase their skills, we've seen some really pretty builds already 18:14 * Krock tries to find an old 0.4.16-dev binary 18:19 Krock hmm.. "sudo" isn't implemented in the terminal yet 18:19 sofar afk 18:21 benrob0329 Krock: sudo install sudo 18:21 Krock "Syntax Error. Try \"help\" 18:21 Krock " 18:22 benrob0329 sudo pkg install sudo 18:34 Fixer "Equifax Had 'Admin' as Login and Password in Argentina" 18:34 Fixer kekekekekkekeekek 18:35 Fixer ｓｅｃｕｒｉｔｙ 18:38 Calinou_ there I am, I set up a Quassel core on my own PC 18:38 Calinou_ better than using Riot, but no offline backlog 18:39 rubenwardy ZNC, Calinou_ 18:39 rubenwardy it's really easy to set up 18:39 rubenwardy surprisingly so 18:40 Calinou rubenwardy: Quassel core is more or less the same thing 18:40 Calinou the issue is, my VPS has been suspended 18:40 Calinou (for the 2nd time in 1 year…) 18:41 rubenwardy huh 18:41 rubenwardy why? 18:41 rubenwardy I suggest getting a better hoster :) 18:42 Calinou they suspended me for "Phishing", I'm not joking 18:42 Calinou I have no idea why 18:42 Calinou maybe they're making up a reason so I can't appeal (I sent a ticket anyway, we'll see) 18:42 Calinou if they deny it, the data is lost forever, I guess 18:42 Calinou I'm having a terrible day today :( 18:43 Fixer Calinou: hawhahahaaha, (((((((((cloud))))))))) and such 18:43 Calinou I also have to get up at 7AM tomorrow 18:43 Calinou I'm already starting to dislike university, not because of the classes but because I don't get to talk at anyone there :( 18:43 rubenwardy Kimsufi is good 18:43 rubenwardy and french 18:44 rubenwardy dedis though 18:44 Calinou but they don't have RAID? 18:44 Calinou so, if a disk dies, it's all dead? 18:44 Fixer Calinou: you don't meet with people? 18:44 Calinou Fixer: I don't talk to them 18:44 sfan5 >dedis though 18:44 Fixer Calinou: in uni? how? 18:44 sfan5 isn't that an advantage? 18:44 rubenwardy yes 18:45 Calinou rubenwardy: also, they all seem to be HDDs, except for the small Atom ones 18:45 Calinou I'd rather have an SSD 18:45 Fixer Calinou: you don't have lectures or smth? 18:45 Calinou Fixer: I do 18:45 Calinou I had a lecture today 18:45 rubenwardy I use them for their CPU and RAM, not storage 18:45 Fixer Calinou: where people gathering in a big room 18:46 Calinou it was on OOP, we're going to use Java, it was boring since I already knew the basics 18:46 Calinou but I already fear this semester 18:46 Fixer and then you talk with them etc 18:46 Calinou (ending up with noobs for group projects, etc) 18:46 Calinou Fixer: people were talking to each other before the lecture, but I didn't 18:47 Krock Calinou, just make sure they're at least learning, otherwise it'll be really painful to do basically everything alone 18:47 Calinou I didn't even talk to the guy I knew from my former university, since he seems to not want me around him at all 18:47 Calinou Krock: well, if I get an opportunity to do the project alone, I might take it 18:47 Calinou better have no help than bad help 18:50 benrob0329 I like how people complain about Riot's UI, but never have any real suggestions on how to make it better 18:50 Krock a good task distribution usually helps in such cases :) There's always something to draw, research or discuss 18:51 Krock because complaining is easier than providing constructive help 18:52 Shara Calinou: kind of why I'm happy to do distance learning these days instead :P 18:53 sofar Krock: how far did you get? :) 18:53 benrob0329 I think riot looks fine with the dark theme, but I do have plans to make a client if my own eventually 18:54 Jordach >system that respects freedoms 18:55 Jordach >$4k USD 18:55 Krock sofar, tutorial 4, I believe. Couldn't find the 3rd chest 18:55 * Krock silently cries while looking at PR 6413 18:56 Krock s/chest/unlock platform thingy/ 18:56 sofar is that the big dirt pit with the cave? 18:57 Krock yes, it is. 18:57 sofar ahh yes, did you cross the lava? 18:57 Krock oh right! in the beginning I did, but then completely forgot about it 18:58 sofar hmm, if you've crossed the lava then I'm not sure what you have missed 18:58 sofar did you find the axe and put the wooden blocks to climb back up? 18:59 Krock yes, also the sand push mechanism. If there was lava in this level, I completely missed it 19:00 sofar the lava is the part people usually miss 19:00 sofar after you do the sand piston thing and climb down, people climb back up and drop to the center 19:00 Krock the lava I have in mind is from a previous level, that's why I wasn't quite sure :) 19:00 sofar but you can find a cave entrance nearby as well 19:01 Krock then I haven't looked enough there to notice the cave 19:01 sofar just don't drop down and look for a torch as you go up the ladder 19:02 sofar I posted some player progression statistics, it seems that tutorial parts 4 and 5 cause players to give up 19:02 sofar so they never make it to the part where they can create boxes and discover the lobby 19:07 sofar Krock: any comments? :) 19:08 Krock comment to myself: never gonna give these levels up 19:08 sofar rick roll! 19:09 Krock but I must say that you or your helpers spent a lot time in the design 19:09 sofar I built the entire tutorial series myself 19:09 sofar and yes, it was a painful amount of time 19:10 sofar mostly because as I was designing the boxes, I constantly came up with new mechanics that we needed to get to make them interesting 19:10 Krock how about the subgame? It seems to use different nodes/textures and even contains special animations and functions 19:10 sofar it's an entirely new game 19:10 sofar I think all we took from mtg was xpanes and some minor bits 19:10 Calinou Shara: I was homeschooled for 6 years, it helped me get better at computers and play Minecraft a lot :P (since I had lots of free time) 19:10 Krock hehe, nice! 19:10 sofar completely new textures, not a single one from mtg 19:10 Calinou but… it's not a nice thing to do, IMO 19:11 Calinou it made me completely isolated from people of my age 19:11 Krock it's really well done and offers more than I thought at the beginning when I was like "aww man, please not yet some boring mazes!" 19:12 benrob0329 Calinou: thats why homeschool groups exist 19:12 sofar Krock: it slowly gets even better, yes, we add more and more concepts slowly so it's easier for people to work with 19:13 sofar I'm also rejecting new boxes that people have made that are "not very original" 19:13 sofar e.g. 100 chests and 100 pedestals 19:13 sofar I've scared off a few players already I think 19:13 sofar but, better that than terrible mazes 19:15 benrob0329 I saw that one...it was. . . interesting 19:20 Shara Calinou: In my cases I'm choosing to study again really just because I can. I get more than enough contact with people from work, so wouldn't want the hassle of group projects with people I couldn't rely on on top of that. 19:20 Krock rubenwardy, mind having a short look at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6411 (especially the Lua part) whether it needs improvement or not? 19:20 Shara case* 19:21 Shara Only had to do one group project so far for this course, and it was a nightmare... none of them submitted a thing. 19:36 tumeninodes sofar, I love Inside the Box. I got stuck on level 5 tutorial but plan to try again tonight, greendimond gave me a hint. But overall, just excellent I love the mechanics for the floors 19:37 celeron55 i've passed the tutorial myself and then the first player-made puzzle it put me into was too stupid and difficult :P 19:38 tumeninodes show off 19:38 sofar ha! 19:38 sofar we have a hints-allowed policy 19:39 sofar so, if you want, ask for hints 19:39 Calinou I'm joining the Inside the Box server 19:39 sofar we're also on IRC so I can give hints to players while I can't log in to the game 19:39 sofar #insidethebox 19:39 tumeninodes yep, and thankful for that otherwise I would have to call level 5 stupid and difficult haha 19:39 sofar thanks to Kaeza's irc mod 19:40 sofar tumeninodes: there's about 35 levels now that are playable 19:40 sofar there's more to come back to 19:40 tumeninodes I have one really dumb question though, how do I use the terminals :P 19:40 celeron55 the one i ended up in after tutorial was one with a burning cave and a locked door after it below a ladder 19:40 tumeninodes that is a huge number, means lots of good contributions which is awesome 19:42 Calinou haha, on the server, I have 630 FPS if looking straight down 19:42 tumeninodes 0_o 19:43 sofar celeron55: I may have an idea which one that is. If you try again, ping me if you're stuck again :) 19:45 tumeninodes I wonder if I am the only one who physically leans forward IRL when jumping in game.. :P 19:47 tumeninodes I'm jonesing now, gonna go try level 5 again now o/ 19:49 tumeninodes oh wait... duh. I'm on level 8 :P 19:51 sofar last one I think 19:51 sofar technically the tutorial isn't finished 19:51 tumeninodes i love the floors 19:55 Calinou casual framerate: https://lut.im/cAgqu1UeFI/kTkYJucLhYR9vtDf.png 19:56 sofar you shouldn't have any issues on my server, view range recommendation is 150max 19:56 Calinou yeah, I know :) 19:57 Calinou my framerate on a v6 map is 80-400 depending on how many blocks are loaded 19:57 sofar no box is larger than 40 or so nodes atm 19:57 sofar the lobby is 200x200 or so 20:02 Krock Calinou, your eyes need an upgrade to handle the obvious super fast screen refresh rate you've got to display this. 20:03 Calinou it's only 60 Hz :p 20:03 sofar it ain't helping a bit, he's still stuck in part 4 of the tutorial 20:03 * sofar giggles 20:03 Calinou but, higher FPS lowers input lag and makes things smoother, even if not using vsync 20:03 Calinou yeah 20:03 Calinou I died in lava :D 20:04 Calinou I'm lagging on the server, because it's in the US 20:04 Calinou (RTT = 0.231) 20:04 sofar there's no penalty to dying 20:04 Calinou yeah, you just respawn at the beginning of the box 20:04 sofar honestly I'm wondering if I should make an EU server 20:04 sofar and just shadow the content 20:05 Calinou that could work 20:05 sofar I can already easily backup a puzzle and load it from file 20:05 sofar so publishing content back and forth would be simple 20:05 sofar they could even share DBs 20:05 sofar we use sqlite right now for everything, but it could entirely go into a replicated mysql 20:06 benrob0329 If only we had server federation... 20:34 Fixer vsync sucks 20:47 nerzhul sofar, use postgresql with replication 20:48 sofar sure, it's likely a lot better than mariadb's 20:48 sofar not relevant for now anyway, the server isn't seeing a big player load 20:48 nerzhul heh, binary replication is easy, not selective, but PostgreSQL 10.0 will be released in 1 month or 2 months and you will ahve publication streams for replicate object, it's better than both methods (pg binary + mariadb binlog) 20:49 nerzhul db is never the bottleneck, in case of pgsql/mariadb, it's the core engine 20:49 nerzhul permit huge server to scale is difficult due to the main thread 20:54 Calinou sofar: I took some screenshots of the server's spawn area, can I post them here? 20:54 Calinou (asking in case it's a spoiler or something :P) 20:54 sofar absolutely 20:54 Calinou ok :) 20:54 sofar there's screenshots on the forum of common areas already 20:55 sofar I still have to do an official video 20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/8ufGqjGCAB/wgvFlYEd0X01ZBUN.png 20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/2r9CyqBXfS/oH8cyJXBVFNwCSKu.png 20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/sQF8Yhrdi0/Cdjw6iEL8YokizWF.png 20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/hXwc6ecxgo/biPFxA4c8ejcrQJe.png 20:58 Calinou https://lut.im/Pc3MYITXxC/DTM5HdqWGL30zzG4.png 20:59 Jordach Minetest with skybox mods: not a unity game 20:59 Calinou Jordach: it's an UE4 one /D 20:59 Calinou :D* 20:59 Calinou or, soon, a Godot 3.0 one ;) 20:59 Jordach Calinou, kitteh on my desk 21:00 Jordach Calinou, http://jordach.net/files/quzcj.jpg 21:00 Calinou the wall looks like you built something using blocks :P 21:00 Calinou (behind the kitten) 21:00 Jordach plastic tiles 21:01 Jordach Calinou, he loves cuddling my damn keyboard 21:03 Jordach Calinou, secondly, my site is a literal mirror of another in real time 21:03 nerzhul it's possible to change the skybox in MT ? 21:03 nerzhul and water too ? :o 21:03 * Jordach drops a jaw onto the floor and LEAVES it there 21:03 nerzhul those textues sounds nice 21:03 Calinou nerzhul: yeah, since years ago 21:04 nerzhul where does those textures comes from ? 21:04 sofar on my server? 21:04 nerzhul yes, the sky and the water 21:05 sofar essentially it's my skybox mod 21:05 sofar it's why I wrote it in the first place 21:05 sofar I just released it separately as well 21:05 sofar minetest-mods/skybox 21:06 sofar originally: https://93i.de/p/free-skybox-texture-set/ 21:06 Grandolf im getting an error and im not sure how to fix it, heres a pastebin with the error under the code: https://pastebin.com/7MXh16uX 21:10 Amaz Grandolf: I think you need another } and , after line 29 of the paste. 21:15 Grandolf ty amaz 21:16 Amaz np 21:18 sofar Amaz: any feedback on my "inside the box" server? 21:18 sofar I think you played a few times on it, right? 21:20 IhrFussel Guys could you probably implement a way for 0.5.0 that CHECKS if the client has an internet connection before adding/removing HUDs? It can get annoying real fast if the server relies on individual HUDs that appear/disappear and the client has no connection meaning the HUD never disappears until reconnect 21:21 Amaz sofar: It's really good :) 21:22 Amaz It's so great to have a game for Minetest that isn't a digging/building/minecrafty game 21:22 IhrFussel In my case I display teleport requests as text HUDs on screen and a lot of the times players complain about having the text forever on their screen, because they had no connection for a few secs when the server tried to remove it 21:22 sfan5 IhrFussel: that's not how it works 21:23 sfan5 at least now how it should 21:23 sfan5 hud removal should be a reliable packet 21:23 IhrFussel I experienced it myself an hour ago... a HUD text that should disappear after 15 secs never disappeared 21:24 Amaz It can be incredibally frustrating at times, but in a good way :P 21:24 IhrFussel I will provoke the bug now by disconnecting from network for a few secs after adding a HUD 21:24 sofar Amaz: thanks! 21:24 paramat IhrFussel "Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is" don't worry, it's not real life :D 21:25 sofar I'd love constructive criticism, but lavish praise is great! :D 21:25 Amaz sofar: np! 21:25 Fixer ｄｕｂ　ｉｎｔｅｎｓｉｆｉｅｓ 21:25 Amaz I can't think of anything I could critize about it off the top of my head! 21:27 IhrFussel Weird...seems like it indeed disappears as soon as I re-enable my connection ... what else could cause this then hmm 21:28 sfan5 an actual bug 21:29 IhrFussel Can server lag maybe skip the HUD code under some circumstances? 21:33 sfan5 no 21:42 IhrFussel paramat, https://newrepublic.com/article/108500/peta-vs-pokemon-does-the-video-game-teach-animal-cruelty 21:45 sofar ha 21:45 sofar HA 21:45 sofar haaaaaaaa 21:46 IhrFussel “Much like animals in the real world,” read PETA’s statement, “Pokémon are treated as unfeeling objects and used for such things as human entertainment and as subjects in experiments. The way that Pokémon are stuffed into pokéballs is similar to how circuses chain elephants inside railroad cars and let them out only to perform confusing and often painful tricks that were taught using sharp steel-tipp 21:46 IhrFussel ed bullhooks and electric shock prods 21:47 IhrFussel They sound serious xP 21:47 Jordach sofar, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/ 22:01 sofar makes sense, for heating 22:02 sofar I would too (DISCLAIMER: NOT MY EMPLOYERS OPINION) 22:04 sofar Jordach: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=tr1950x-7900x-3os&num=1 22:04 tumeninodes will eventually be called the AMD raisin 22:04 sofar (featuring my project "ClearLinux") 22:05 tumeninodes sofar, any interest in some involvment with Unity Linux, seems some dev has started again 22:06 sofar Unity? why? 22:06 tumeninodes Unity Linux was the project we started after we all left PCLinuxOS some years ago 22:07 tumeninodes it faded off, then one of the devs started working on it again, but it stalled again, now seems he is working on it again 22:07 tumeninodes not Unity DE 22:07 tumeninodes be back in a few 22:08 sofar are you asking me personally or me professionally, as part of a team working on a linux distribution, for Intel Corporation, full time? 22:08 tumeninodes part of a team on a Linux Dist. I know youre busy with a lot, just could even be a here n there type of part 22:09 tumeninodes I can't afford Intel's rates :P 22:09 sofar I've done too many linux distros to know that more than 1 isn't going to work 22:09 sofar so, in either case, I just don't have the time 22:10 sofar besides, they're paying me to work on ClearLinux 22:10 tumeninodes understandable, just thought Id ask.... Ahhhh, that's a very nice and unusual deal 22:12 * rubenwardy looks at the most expensive CPU on pc part picker 22:12 rubenwardy damn... 22:12 sofar xeon parts can go 4000$+ 22:12 rubenwardy yeah 22:12 benrob0329 II have thought of an illustration (the concept) to give people a concept of free sfotware 22:12 sofar hey, you want 48 cores? 22:13 rubenwardy my flatmate has some xeon in his desktop 22:13 rubenwardy his average usage is 10% 22:13 rubenwardy ...whilst playing GTA and running 4/5 vms... 22:15 sofar maxing it out is easy 22:15 benrob0329 Imagine for a moment that you are a school teacher, and you brought in a microscope to show the class. All the students think its the neatest thing, and one of them asks, "How does it work?". You reply, "I don't know." 22:15 benrob0329 "We aren't allowed to know." 22:32 tumeninodes No one ever mentions Oracle's processors (mainly for server anyway and costly) 22:32 rubenwardy Oracle makes processors? 22:33 tumeninodes yessir 22:33 tumeninodes https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/06/30/oracle-takes-xeons-sparc-s7/ 22:34 rubenwardy TIL 22:36 tumeninodes this too https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/05/oracle_sparc_m8/ 22:43 Jordach fuck it 22:43 * Jordach starts development of a prototype block engine in UE4 22:44 benrob0329 ewww ue4 22:44 Jordach at least it's not Unity 22:44 Jordach :^) 22:44 Jordach and i can target linux without a fucking hundred dollar fee 22:45 benrob0329 But you have to compile for a hundred hours just to open the editor on it 22:45 Jordach >prebuilt on windows 22:46 Jordach how out of date are ye benrob0329 22:46 Jordach you should know by know that i run windows 22:46 benrob0329 Windows is horrid, horrid garbage and should go die in a hole 22:46 Jordach at least they're not GOOGLE 22:46 benrob0329 just because we can build software, does not mean we should be forced to 22:46 benrob0329 I know that 22:46 benrob0329 thus my statement :^) 22:47 Jordach benrob0329, chromebook died on update to a new version of chromeOS 22:47 Jordach >no repairs lmao 22:47 benrob0329 yeah thats not good either 22:47 Jordach i might give MS shit for doing stupid shit 22:47 Jordach but at least they admitted they were wrong 22:48 benrob0329 For pushing forced ads and restarts? 22:48 benrob0329 and screwing over Linux every update? 22:48 Jordach >azure now runs linux by default 22:48 Jordach :thinking: 22:48 benrob0329 and for breaking compatibility with the last version of the system, to the point where most apps couldnt even run without major patching 22:49 rubenwardy >azure now runs linux by default 22:49 rubenwardy well, the majority of the internet is Linux 22:49 tumeninodes Some sneak up behind you and bend you over..., others look you in the face and tell you they're gonna 22:50 Jordach rubenwardy, why'd you think MS is taking the "rolling release" option with windows 10 22:50 Jordach i've installed CU and seen 0 issues to date 22:51 rubenwardy no where near as many people would use Azure if it was windows only 22:51 rubenwardy no idea what CU is 22:51 rubenwardy and I've had 10x more issues on Windows 10 then Linux 22:51 rubenwardy and I only used Windows 10 for like 3 months 22:52 Jordach rubenwardy, it's more of a case of deprecating win32 22:52 rubenwardy driver issues, slow context menus 22:52 Jordach or even win16 plaguing things 22:52 tumeninodes windows vista was supposed to be a whole new, from scratch OS, that was a lie... just more patches 22:53 tumeninodes every new release is just more bondo to cover the decaying undercarriage 22:54 Jordach tumeninodes, the result of keeping Win16 around 22:54 tumeninodes they even removed MSPaint, what the hell does that do?? MSPaint was about the only non-bland part of the entire OS 22:54 Jordach Win32 was mostly built onto it, with toothpicks 22:54 tumeninodes more like matchsticks... just waiting to go up... poof :P 22:55 tumeninodes MS will never have anything to fear market wise... they will always remain a "standard" in the industry 22:56 Jordach tumeninodes, and yet, linux doesn't have commercial or paid support other than oracle, (but that's for their own systems) 22:56 Jordach communistic software doesn't make the world go round ;) 22:56 rubenwardy redhat 22:56 rubenwardy centos 22:56 tumeninodes well, some have commercial support 22:56 tumeninodes ^that 22:56 tumeninodes and ^that 22:57 rubenwardy don't ubuntu do it as well? At least canonical 22:57 tumeninodes canonical has their sticky fingers in many things :D 22:57 Jordach like windows ;) 22:57 Jordach Kappa 22:57 tumeninodes Im not sure in regards to paid support though 22:57 tumeninodes touche 22:58 tumeninodes I think opensuse does though 22:58 rubenwardy also, it's probably worth stopping offtopic at some point 22:58 tumeninodes redhat is the big dawg though 22:58 Jordach tumeninodes, rubenwardy the point is, windows is known to be very reliable on lots of x86 hardware with obscure crap 22:58 Jordach like printers 22:59 tumeninodes true... so "on topic"..., does Minetest offer commercial support? :P 22:59 Jordach come back to me when that inkjet or laser has a decent driver that works with most things out of the box without a windows machine to get it rolling 22:59 rubenwardy I'd offer commercial support 22:59 rubenwardy for a small fee of $1 USD 22:59 rubenwardy oops 22:59 rubenwardy $1m USD 22:59 tumeninodes I can't... Ima too stupidz 23:00 tumeninodes give that "m" a smaller fine print and your good t go with a signed contract 23:01 Jordach rubenwardy, fun fact, Epic games are fantastic with UE4 licensing 23:01 Jordach the only silly bit is the asset store, that almost nobody touches 23:01 tumeninodes Jordach, thing is..., most often quite a few drivers can be found for virtually everything under Linux, which can be d/l and patched in minus adware 23:02 Jordach tumeninodes, doesn't take a retard to install things 23:02 Jordach especially if you know how to use your eyes left to right looking at a thing called english 23:02 tumeninodes true, I'm a retard and install many things :D 23:03 tumeninodes I will admit, Windows has Linux beat with language support often 23:03 Jordach tumeninodes, windows does many things right, which it should 23:03 Jordach silent software is the best way to know everythiing is perfect 23:03 tumeninodes well for the price, it really should and then some 23:04 tumeninodes I really wish they would go back to providing a physical install disc though rather than this ghosting crap 23:05 tumeninodes (when one purchases hardware with Windows pre-installed) 23:05 tumeninodes many end users completely neglect or even forget to create that back up DVD and then when there is a problem, it is no fun 23:07 rubenwardy Minetest has so many issues that offering commercial support is completely unviable 23:07 tumeninodes the purchaser has the right to a physical copy of what they purchased (which is to MS the license sticker on the machine, not the software itself) 23:08 tumeninodes hahahaha.... a huge call center team would be needed, which would probably cost more than the incoming from paid support clients 23:09 tumeninodes another reason, (and would never see such support from Minecraft either) imagine the sort of calls that would some in??? SOme 9yo screaming bloody murder for getting banned 23:09 tumeninodes *c 23:12 * Shara gets nightmares just thinking about it 23:12 tumeninodes A side note, I do still have a completely virgin XP install, still works good as day one because it has never seen the web. ; ) 23:13 tumeninodes haha Hi Shara. You know from being on the front lines too long 23:13 rubenwardy a 9 year old wouldn't pay for support 23:13 tumeninodes mommy & daddy would though 23:13 Shara Some of the "grown ups" can be just as bad as the children 23:14 rubenwardy http://minetest.com/2012/04/minetest-has-sounds/ 23:14 rubenwardy Minetest has some amazing features 23:14 tumeninodes I don't doubt that 23:15 * Shara still doesn't ever use sound :P 23:16 tumeninodes rotflmao 23:17 tumeninodes is it me... or was the sound better then? 0_o 23:17 tumeninodes no reverb 23:17 tumeninodes rubenwardy, have you been following thinmatrix?? did you ever check his dev stuff out? 23:17 Shara I just cannot play the game with sound. It's too many kinds of bad. 23:18 rubenwardy wow, that's cool 23:18 rubenwardy Shara, yeah, the sounds suck 23:19 * rubenwardy follows ThinMatrix on twitter 23:19 rubenwardy Should do a kick starter for sounds and textures 23:19 Shara Problem is lack of music 23:20 rubenwardy that too, and ambience 23:20 Shara The foot steps and things just sound waay too loud and out of place without music in the background to blend them into 23:20 rubenwardy those require engine work though 23:20 Shara and yes, decent ambient sound in general 23:20 tumeninodes I have to have sound, for some reason I get messed up if I don't. And... I hit something on accident playing Inside The Box today and killed the music... and can't fix it 23:21 tumeninodes ambience is tough 23:21 Shara It's not even that the specific sounds present are all out bad, just that they have nothing to fit in with to make them natural 23:21 tumeninodes I think focusing more on mood music is key 23:21 Shara tumeninodes: it's odd, because MT is literally the only game I can play without sound 23:22 Shara ANy other game I try, no sound messes me up completely. 23:22 sofar tumeninodes: I checked and your settings say that you have sound disabled 23:22 sofar tumeninodes: when you re-enable it, sound DOES NOT PLAY until you change a box 23:22 sofar of course, sound effects still remain enabled 23:23 tumeninodes but this is probably due to those games having superior mood music which overplay the ambient sounds 23:23 Shara The only time I let sound play is if a server has a weather mod with thunder sounds :) 23:23 sofar the music on my server runs at a 0.2 gain level - much lower than most sound effects 23:23 tumeninodes Ahhhh, ok sofar, thank you 23:23 Shara But then I end up standing still because everything else I hear annoys me, so I stop playing :P 23:24 * Shara still needs a good weather mod for a server 23:24 tumeninodes sofar, that gravel could be padded a bit 23:25 tumeninodes The first time I entered a box on Inside The Box, the doors closed and I heard the "DOOOM!!!" sound, I got nervous, thought I did something wrong/bad and was gonna die haha 23:26 tumeninodes but, with no sound, I can't play at all..., any game 23:55 rubenwardy oh man 23:55 rubenwardy http://c55.me/minetest2/ 23:55 rubenwardy that is amazing 23:55 rubenwardy so much nostalgia