Time Nick Message 00:14 sofar rubenwardy: sfinv has been really useful btw 00:14 rubenwardy yay LD 00:15 rubenwardy my inspiration for sfinv was UI's and inventory_plus' APIs 00:15 rubenwardy in that my aim was to do it not like either of those :D 00:16 benrob0329 I like u_i's button based creative inventory though 00:17 rubenwardy benrob0329: sfinv is themable 00:17 rubenwardy no one has written themes yet, however 00:17 rubenwardy also, benrob0329: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16290 00:17 benrob0329 ...that isn't theming 00:18 benrob0329 thats base ux 00:18 rubenwardy oh, button based >creative inventory< 00:18 rubenwardy sounds like a hack 00:18 benrob0329 its really nice 00:18 benrob0329 no dragging 00:18 rubenwardy heh 00:18 benrob0329 just clicking for a stack 00:18 rubenwardy it would be easier to make sfinv do that 00:19 rubenwardy *easy 00:19 benrob0329 a switch to go into stack mode? 00:31 rubenwardy benrob0329, https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1808.patch 00:31 rubenwardy uses buttons instead of an inventory in creative 00:31 rubenwardy also adds a +/- for expanding and contracting 00:31 rubenwardy you could ignore the sfinv changes, and just do the creative ones 00:32 benrob0329 nice 00:32 rubenwardy from https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1808 00:33 benrob0329 too bad it never got merged 🙁 00:34 rubenwardy also, did you know you can shift click to go from creative to main immediately? 00:34 rubenwardy list rings 00:35 benrob0329 i did, its still slower because its 1x1 00:35 rubenwardy creative works on the assumption that you only need one of something, anyway 00:36 rubenwardy which isn't true with mods 00:36 rubenwardy so yeah :/ 01:05 Calinou haha, found a glorious bug 01:05 Calinou set `movement_liquid_fluidity = 0` and `movement_liquid_fluidity_smooth = 0`, jump in water 01:05 Calinou you will be stuck, if you press the "fly" key, you'll be teleported to a (nan, nan, nan) location 01:06 Calinou (you'll see only void) 02:09 Calinou there, I set up a server 02:09 Calinou not much going on so far, there's a default password (123, noted in the server name/description) to keep guests/mobile clients out :) 02:09 Calinou it uses PostgreSQL, and has an hourly map render here: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png 02:17 Calinou server configuration, for those interested: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7 02:20 Calinou my map rendering now is automatically optimized using oxipng, too :P 02:20 Calinou (saves 26% currently) 02:23 Calinou >ACTION[Server]: Server: User Kowalcyk220 at **.**.**.** supplied wrong password (auth mechanism: SRP). 02:23 Calinou my evil plan is working! >:D 02:46 tumeninodes Calinou, oxipng looks interesting... never even heard of it. 02:47 * Sokomine turns calinous evil plan into a friendly plan 02:47 tumeninodes hi Sokomine 02:48 benrob0329 Hi Sokomine, Calinou 03:12 Sokomine hi tumeninodes, benrob0329 03:13 benrob0329 whats up? 03:17 tumeninodes whats down? (hi benrob) 03:17 benrob0329 nothing much 03:18 benrob0329 slowly getting proprietary chat services out of my life 03:18 srifqi like what? 03:18 benrob0329 Discord 03:18 tumeninodes hard to let go of popular formats/platforms 03:19 benrob0329 hopefully Facebook, and Hangouts for the one guy I talk to on there 03:19 benrob0329 I de-Microsoft-ed, and have almost de-Google-ed 03:19 tumeninodes I dropped fakebook a looong time ago (well just recently opened one under tumeninodes but will prob drop that as well) 03:20 benrob0329 I have a small group I talk to on there 03:20 benrob0329 thats about it 03:20 benrob0329 I can get my daily dose of memes elsewhere 😁 03:20 tumeninodes ha 03:21 tumeninodes deep studies on what others had for breakfast 03:21 benrob0329 nothing today 03:21 tumeninodes I had a piece of cold pizza (breakfast of champions) 03:21 benrob0329 I had a couple waffles the other day, and an apple 03:22 benrob0329 most days I eat PB&J 03:22 tumeninodes pb&j pups? 03:22 benrob0329 nah, just normal pb&j 😛 03:23 tumeninodes I tend to forget to eat, often 2-3 days in a row 03:24 bigfoot547 uuuhhh 03:24 bigfoot547 I'm usually reminded bu stomach pains lol 03:24 bigfoot547 s/bu/by* 03:24 benrob0329 if I'm in the middle of a big project I can just not eat 03:24 benrob0329 or pee 03:24 tumeninodes hey bigfoot. idk, I have just never felt "hungry" 03:25 bigfoot547 Hmm 03:25 bigfoot547 like never? 03:25 tumeninodes hahahaha how do you "not pee"?? o_0 03:25 benrob0329 I hate stopping when I'm doing somthing 03:26 benrob0329 and I am very good at holding it, so the combo makes for long bursts of work 03:26 tumeninodes bigfoot, never. When people say "I'm starving" I honestly have no idea what that actually feels like 03:26 bigfoot547 tumeninodes: That's odd... 03:26 tumeninodes I know, I've been told many times 03:27 bigfoot547 Well, I would say you aren't missing a lot, but I don't know what I'd be w/o hunger pains... 03:27 tumeninodes I gusta pee though... 03:27 benrob0329 I don't know what it's like to have perfect vision *cries* 03:27 benrob0329 I might get lazer surgery someday, or at least that's the plan 03:28 tumeninodes I used to have 20/20, but the diebetis fixed that :P 03:28 benrob0329 and finally ditch the glasses, of which put on my avatar 03:28 benrob0329 *I never put 03:29 tumeninodes lazer surgery is a miracle. I had an Uncle in his elderly years get it, he had been legally blind all his life, and was finally able to see a bit at eol 03:29 benrob0329 wow, that was probably awesome 03:30 tumeninodes He was happy :) 03:30 bigfoot547 I have bad eyes... 03:30 benrob0329 I'm happy for him! It's be like being cured of color-blindness and seeing a sunrise, or hearing music after being deaf your whole life 03:30 tumeninodes I think he could just make out shadows of people all his life, after the surgery he could see us as a blur but much better he said and with some color 03:31 tumeninodes I watched a few vids on a new medical breakthrough that is helping deaf people... stopped at the 3rd vid cuz my eyes were too watery :P 03:32 benrob0329 lol, its always nice to see some uplifting videos once in a while 03:32 tumeninodes I currently need over the counter non Rx glasses for many thing now. 03:33 benrob0329 the world is too depressing to always watch sad things, or news 03:33 tumeninodes yeh, I'm a softy ever since my first child was born... it made me... squishy :/ 03:34 tumeninodes I was always odd with emotions all my life till my first born... And I never watch news, never liked it 03:34 benrob0329 heh, its life; what else did you expect? :-) 03:35 tumeninodes actually I rarely watch any tv, when I do it is mostly cbc or bbc..., online 03:35 benrob0329 Doctor Who :^) 03:35 tumeninodes yes 03:35 benrob0329 its pretty much the only modern TV show I like anymore 03:36 benrob0329 I really hope the new writers get it rite 03:36 benrob0329 *right 03:36 benrob0329 Female doctor makes me nervous, but it can be done 03:37 tumeninodes admittedly I have miised quite a few newer seasons..., I mostly watched it in the 80s, tom baker 03:37 tumeninodes I don't see why not. I think with the right actress, it will be really good. The dr is supposed to be able to be anyone 03:38 benrob0329 the actress isn't my worry 03:38 tumeninodes my son LOVES dr who though 03:39 benrob0329 the writers may go full liberal pushing and do a bunch of political things in my favorite scifi show 03:39 benrob0329 which would hurt, a lot 03:39 tumeninodes well, as long as the lib writers don;t ruin it by using the show to push their narratives, should be fine. WOuld be a shame to see such an iconic show (long running) fall apart due to politics and PC 03:39 benrob0329 we already got a lot of reminders about the companion's gender in s10 03:39 benrob0329 like, a LOT 03:40 tumeninodes heavy sigh 03:40 benrob0329 instead of where it made sense 03:40 benrob0329 like when they were in Roman times, and it would have made sense because non-straightness was common 03:40 tumeninodes BS is So over pushed these days..., I'm gonna go back to the 70s, I was happy then 03:41 benrob0329 Patrick had a lot of good episodes, I say we go back to the 60s :P 03:41 tumeninodes idk, 60s were rough too :P 03:41 benrob0329 1st doctor was rough 03:41 tumeninodes nobody knew who they were 03:42 benrob0329 2nd was pretty good 03:42 tumeninodes haha 03:42 benrob0329 3rd was good too 03:42 tumeninodes I love watching old shows. 03:42 benrob0329 6 and 7 were kinda rough 03:42 benrob0329 haven't watched any of 5 yet 03:43 tumeninodes heh, just thinking "it's a good thing this isn't a minetest related irc :D" 03:43 benrob0329 I do really like the 80s theme though, at least part of the extended theme :P 03:43 tumeninodes well the good thing about all the seasons Ive missed is..., longer binge watch session 03:44 benrob0329 we don't have a DW IRC channel unfortunetly 03:44 benrob0329 #doctorwho :PP 03:44 tumeninodes hey, you could start one 03:45 tumeninodes hey Nate.... chip? 03:45 benrob0329 Doesn't look like its availeble 03:45 tumeninodes means is exists 03:45 benrob0329 invite only 03:45 tumeninodes *it 03:45 tumeninodes that's stupid 03:46 benrob0329 some matrix rooms are taken like that too, really annoying 03:46 tumeninodes reserved for "special people" 03:46 benrob0329 like #blender:matrix.org is taken 03:46 benrob0329 but invite only 03:47 benrob0329 so i had to make #blenderunofficial:matrix.org 03:47 tumeninodes hehe 03:47 benrob0329 its not as pretty 03:47 tumeninodes "blender" isn't pretty 03:48 tumeninodes I swear they make it more difficult to use for hobbyists every other release 03:48 benrob0329 also, typing without your index finder is supprisingly difficult (my fingers are sticky) 03:48 benrob0329 I'm a hobbiest ;-) 03:48 benrob0329 blender is really consistent once you learn the basics 03:49 benrob0329 also, themes 03:50 tumeninodes problem for me is, each time I use it, I forgot what I learned the last time 03:50 benrob0329 then you don't use it enough 03:50 benrob0329 :P 03:51 tumeninodes nah, I have a medical issue which has greatly impacted my memory functions 03:51 benrob0329 its like learning Vim, you have to use it to keep the knowledge 03:51 benrob0329 ah 03:51 benrob0329 sorry to hear that 03:51 tumeninodes yeh... sucks. But upside, I forget all the thingsI don;t want to remember :D 03:52 benrob0329 I'd like that sometimes, but then again our experiences is what makes us, us. 03:52 benrob0329 *are 03:52 tumeninodes it's really frustrating and often embarrassing but, I just keep my humor up. 03:53 tumeninodes well, our experiences in life have been impacted by fakebook... They broke time 03:53 benrob0329 nah, just security 03:53 tumeninodes used to be people would come and go throughout your life... they took that part away 03:54 benrob0329 the internet as a whole took that away 03:54 tumeninodes yes 03:54 tumeninodes most of society was not ready to handle the web 03:55 benrob0329 most of society was not ready for computers in general 03:56 benrob0329 i kinda wish that I had been born into the 60s-70s computer market, having to mail in software for real Unix systems 03:56 tumeninodes I had never even touched a pc until, I think some time in maybe around 1999 - 2001 can;t rmember which year 03:58 tumeninodes my first pc was a 350mhz intel pentium with 64 mb ram and a ???mb hdd :P then I started seeing pc at curbs everywhere and just started grabbing them and taught myself what I could 03:59 tumeninodes used win95 first few months, then found solaris, then linux. Although I do also still have all my old Mac stuff with os9 and X10.02 04:00 tumeninodes my powermac G4 and a few G3 iMacs all still run perfectly :) 04:01 tumeninodes I dislike anything Mac newer than those 04:06 benrob0329 tumeninodes: I dislike Mac in general 04:07 tumeninodes hmmm arch has an oxipng build but none for ubuntu, mint, or even debian? (have to recheck debian) 04:07 tumeninodes I dislike their "merger" with MS 04:08 tumeninodes mc os9 is unkillable..., and osx 10.2 was their last decent work 04:10 tumeninodes an oxipng .deb would sure be nice 04:10 benrob0329 So an older person using old technology is a neckbeard, an old person using new technology is hip, a young person using new technology is naive, and a young person using old technology is a hipster. 04:10 benrob0329 I see no way to win. 04:11 tumeninodes hahaha Ima "neckbeard?" wth does that even mean? 04:12 tumeninodes I might even be "hip" but I don't want to be. I was "hip" in the late 70s 04:13 tumeninodes me n my bell bottom corduroys ;) 04:13 benrob0329 Lolol 04:13 tumeninodes they were burgandy 04:15 tumeninodes and NO ONE today would dare wear shirts that were the "yellow" we had then 04:15 tumeninodes we were a scary generation 04:17 tumeninodes a well known fact. If kids today, laugh at what you wore yesterday... you were cool. 8^) 04:19 benrob0329 Heh, kids today are driven by trends and memes 04:19 benrob0329 Not that any other generation wasn't... 04:19 tumeninodes hmmmm, I'm suddenly getting ideas for a 70's texture pack. with corduroy for wool, ohhhh yyyyyehhhhhh 04:20 tumeninodes mine was a memeless generation :( 04:21 benrob0329 Memes are viral trends, the internet was just the perfect cradle for them :-) 04:21 tumeninodes every generation, drives the last generation nuts but, in the late 90's things skipped a few generations and went mental 04:22 tumeninodes I think our memes were our basically impressions we'd do of other people to make kids laugh 04:22 benrob0329 BTW, any time you want to make some Doctor Who textures, I've got that tardis mod that needs a lot of work :P 04:23 benrob0329 I might work on that a little this week 04:24 tumeninodes oh, ok... I'll definitely work on some stuff then. I thought you were one of those "loner" type workers haha 04:24 benrob0329 Well, I am and i'm not 04:24 tumeninodes hahaaaa, same 04:25 benrob0329 I like my projects to be mine, but I wont turn down help 04:26 tumeninodes I am rather "specific" in my tastes but, if I don;t know how to do something, I nag someone 04:26 benrob0329 The whole thing is up on github atm, and it ran last I checked so you shouldnt run into any trouble 04:26 tumeninodes my kid was asking me about it the other day, actually. I'll grab it in the morning 04:27 benrob0329 The entire interior style is getting redone however, as is the spawining of it 04:27 tumeninodes were you able to get the rooms figured out? 04:27 benrob0329 Going to aim for a more Toyota style interior as the main one, and add other options 04:27 benrob0329 Not yet, but I have some ideas 04:27 benrob0329 Mostly just spawning blocks 04:28 tumeninodes ok cool 04:28 benrob0329 The trick is getting everything lined up 04:28 benrob0329 And built 04:29 benrob0329 If corner stairs are a dev only thing, then this may be a 0.5 only mod :P 04:29 benrob0329 The current git isn't, but once the new interiors come out it might be 04:30 benrob0329 I'm actually really happy with how it looks so far 04:30 tumeninodes wait?? oh, yeh nvm I forgot the corner stairs got merged into dev 04:30 benrob0329 New, bigger console and a darker color scheme 04:30 tumeninodes I have to check cuz now I'm getting bummed out (I only use stable) 04:31 tumeninodes though I already have them on my 4.16 anyway :P 04:31 benrob0329 Need a better light color for the time rotor though, possibly a custom node 04:31 tumeninodes are you particular to nodeboxes or mesh? 04:31 benrob0329 Yellow mere lamps just don't do it 04:31 benrob0329 *mese 04:32 benrob0329 Mesh 04:34 benrob0329 Nodeboxes are strange to me, and I can't imagine how texturing them is 04:34 tumeninodes I just grabbed the tardis 04:35 tumeninodes Meh, it depends on how intricate the object it 04:35 tumeninodes texturing is basic, not as flexible as a mesh 04:36 tumeninodes *is 04:36 benrob0329 I should make the time-space throttle an animated node 04:36 benrob0329 Unfortunately animated nodes are hard 04:37 tumeninodes if you want a smooth animation then yes 04:37 tumeninodes if you just want to do positions it should be easy 04:37 benrob0329 And it would make the mode heavier than I would like 04:38 benrob0329 With entities and such 04:39 tumeninodes when you start getting those rooms set up it's gonna get heavy 04:39 benrob0329 Depends, if 20 people try to run around an ungenerated tardis then ot will me heavy 04:40 benrob0329 If they mostly stay in the console room, then it's probably fine 04:40 tumeninodes hahaha yes..., yes it will 04:40 benrob0329 It'll be worth it though :P 04:40 Sokomine just send some forward in time a bit. then there's enough room :-) 04:41 benrob0329 If we had a dungeon api that would help 04:42 tumeninodes wait? isn't there an api for dungeons? I thought paramat had some stuff around 04:42 benrob0329 AFAIK you can define dungeon decorations, but not new dungeons 04:42 tumeninodes dammt 04:42 tumeninodes *i 04:42 tumeninodes :P 04:43 benrob0329 The trick will be getting all the hallways lined up 04:43 tumeninodes omg... I'm trying to focus and my eye keeps wandering off 04:44 tumeninodes maths.. trajectories 04:45 benrob0329 They all need to be built in the same cuboid area 04:45 benrob0329 As do the rooms, then it'll line up fine 04:45 tumeninodes sorry benrob, I'll have to sign off in a few my eye gets wonky when the muscles get tired. 04:46 tumeninodes can you use WE for all that? or some other schematics 04:46 benrob0329 Alright, ttyl 04:47 tumeninodes I'll check this out in the morning ttyl, 04:47 benrob0329 MT schems, its just time 04:48 tumeninodes oh yeh,,, you basically mostly need just coords right? 04:48 tumeninodes ok this is getting too difficult on my reeree eye aha nite ttyl 04:49 benrob0329 Pretty much, and the actual generation code 04:49 benrob0329 Bah, stupid signal drops 08:35 tenplus1 hi folkas 08:37 rdococ humanoids 08:37 tenplus1 hi rdococ 08:37 * tenplus1 performs robotic h andshake 08:37 * rdococ eats the hand 08:37 * rdococ then loses his teeth 08:38 tenplus1 lol, was made out of pizza anyhoo 08:38 rdococ oh :P 08:38 rdococ lol 08:38 tenplus1 is common practise in my culture to eat the hand that feeds you 08:38 tenplus1 literally 08:39 tenplus1 hi lisac 08:40 lisac hey tenplus1 08:40 lisac basic_machines seems very very hard to setup 08:42 tenplus1 it can be fiddly, yes... but once you figure them out you can merge together machines to do almost anything 08:43 Raven262 Hi tenplus1 08:44 tenplus1 o/ raven 08:45 lisac is there no simple basic factory mod 08:45 lisac :( 08:46 Raven262 My new linux works sooooo nice :D 08:46 Raven262 Its good to be back on linux 08:47 tenplus1 w00t! what ya using .? 08:47 Raven262 Kubuntu 08:47 tenplus1 ooh, eye candy central :P 08:47 lisac Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 6.6 GiB Total (4.6 GiB Free) Swap: 7.9 GiB Total (7.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 617.5 GB / 1.1 TB (472.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 14m 2s 08:47 Raven262 file:///media/corvus/194DFE29509922E4/minetest-0.4.16-win64/textures/John Smith for 0.4.16 08:48 Raven262 not that 08:48 Raven262 no 08:48 Raven262 ./+o+- corvus@Corvus-PC 08:48 Raven262 yyyyy- -yyyyyy+ OS: Ubuntu 17.04 zesty 08:48 Raven262 ://+//////-yyyyyyo Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.10.0-33-generic 08:48 Raven262 .++ .:/++++++/-.+sss/` Uptime: 10h 2m 08:48 Raven262 .:++o: /++++++++/:--:/- Packages: 2168 08:48 lisac nooooooo 08:48 Raven262 o:+o+:++.`..```.-/oo+++++/ Shell: bash 4.4.7 08:48 Raven262 .:+o:+o/. `+sssoo+/ Resolution: 1280x1024 08:48 Raven262 .++/+:+oo+o:` /sssooo. DE: KDE5 08:48 Raven262 /+++//+:`oo+o /::--:. WM: KWin 08:48 Raven262 \+/+o+++`o++o ++////. GTK Theme: Breeze [GTK2], Default [GTK3] 08:48 Raven262 .++.o+++oo+:` /dddhhh. Icon Theme: breeze 08:48 Raven262 .+.o+oo:. `oddhhhh+ Font: Noto Sans Regular 08:48 lisac Raven262, wtf 08:48 Raven262 \+.++o+o``-````.:ohdhhhhh+ CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G @ 3.1GHz 08:48 lisac use pastebin 08:48 Raven262 `:o+++ `ohhhhhhhhyo++os: GPU: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.0-33-generic, LLVM 4.0.0) 08:48 Raven262 .o:`.syhhhhhhh/.oo++o` RAM: 810MiB / 5912MiB 08:48 Raven262 /osyyyyyyo++ooo+++/ 08:48 Raven262 ````` +oo+++o\: 08:48 Raven262 `oo++. 08:48 Raven262 there 08:48 Raven262 next time 08:50 tenplus1 Client: Pidgin 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel Atom, 2 Cores HT (1.80GHz) • Memory: Physical: 4.0 GiB • Storage: 120 GB Sandisk Sata2 SSD • VGA: Nvidia Ion.v2 08:51 lisac hey tenplus1 do /CTCP lisac version 08:51 tenplus1 wat's that do ? 08:51 lisac it gives you my client version 08:51 Krock hi tenplus1 08:51 tenplus1 heh 08:51 tenplus1 hi Krock 08:51 lisac hey Krock 08:51 Krock I was faster this time :D 08:51 Krock hi lisac 08:51 Raven262 Hi Krock 08:51 Krock hello Raven262 08:58 tenplus1 I take it that CSM mods can have a dependency set and view server mods' global vars ? 09:11 tenplus1 hi zeno 09:11 Zeno` hi 3 09:11 Zeno` :) 09:12 Zeno` how's things? 09:12 tenplus1 not bad, am tired this morning tho... 09:12 tenplus1 you ? 09:12 Zeno` tenplus1, do you want to fork and maintain the official version of caverealms-lite? 09:12 Zeno` I'm a bit tired as well but ok, thank you 09:12 tenplus1 isnt shara doing that already? 09:13 Zeno` possibly yeah. I noticed some commits from her. I'll ask :) 09:47 shivajiva Hi Zeno o/ 09:47 tenplus1 hi shiva 09:48 shivajiva Hiya tenplus 09:49 Zeno` hi 09:49 Zeno` brb 09:59 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated to 2.3 - localised many of the global functions, tidied code, updated readme 10:03 Zeno` for the record, I never accused him of murder :/ My words were something along the lines of "... may have contributed to ... due to causing undue stress" 10:06 shivajiva the email trail clearly shows no accusation of murder from you Zeno, it's just another dumb manipulation of the facts designed to make him look like a victim when he's actually the perpetrator 10:08 shivajiva it's something children do rather than face up to reality 10:21 tenplus1 hi nrz 10:22 tenplus1 o/ DS-minetest 10:22 DS-minetest o/ tenplus1 10:22 DS-minetest hi all 10:22 cx384 hi 10:22 tenplus1 hi cx384 10:22 cx384 oh hello tenplus1 10:23 nerzhul hi 10:31 tenplus1 brb, making noms 10:37 tenplus1 am having sweet & sour chicken with rice 10:37 tenplus1 soooo much preperation involved (remove label, blitz in microwave for 6 mins) 10:40 shivajiva lol 10:43 lisac I think I've still got some instant noodles here. 10:43 lisac I forgot about them. 10:43 * lisac is away for 5 minutes 10:47 nerzhul i'm a little bit a Lua API noob in mod usage, sometimes, how can we check a player privilege by name ? 10:47 nerzhul i'm working on a callback to bypass user limit defined by mods, i want to move a hardcoded privilege check part from core to lua (as those privileges are purely defined in builtin) 10:47 tenplus1 minetest.check_player_privs(name, {creative = true}) 10:48 nerzhul okay, and the hashmap for privilege is player has all privileges or one ? 10:49 tenplus1 local privs = minetest.get_player_privs(user:get_player_name()) ; if privs["server"] then ---- 10:49 tenplus1 could use that 11:02 nerzhul ty tenplus1 11:03 nerzhul i have the PR for the user limit bypass :) 11:03 tenplus1 limit bypass ? 11:04 nerzhul max_users 11:04 nerzhul with my pr a mod can permits some users to bypass the limit, as wanted 11:04 tenplus1 ahh, so a whitelist 11:05 Shara tenplus1: It's because several servers are having problems with players getting refused before the cap is reached, and it seems to be due to all the app players taking forever to connect but using a slot while they do 11:05 Shara RC often refuses players at around 17/30, which is much too soon 11:06 Shara So we wanted a way to let regular players in while that is going on 11:09 celeron55 meh 11:09 tenplus1 hi celeron 11:10 Shara Hi celeron55 11:10 celeron55 oops, now the other posts remain 11:10 nerzhul yeah 11:10 nerzhul see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6369 11:12 nerzhul for the limit you mention Shara we fixed it in master, it's the session state check, 0.4.X checks created sessions instead of active sessions 11:13 nerzhul with the PR you can have 30/30 and permits with mods some users based on name or IP to connects 11:13 celeron55 i don't like it that can_bypass_userlimit is named completely differently than register_on_userlimit_check 11:14 Shara Ahh, so next release already had a way to handle this? 11:14 celeron55 use the same name so it's easier to find stuff 11:14 celeron55 register_can_bypass_userlimit or something 11:15 celeron55 just like the on_joinplayer/register_on_joinplayer below it 11:20 tenplus1 hi shara 11:21 tenplus1 can anyone think of a better way to show that crops are fully grown ? 11:21 * Shara never had a problem with the current way 11:22 tenplus1 same, but a few players were complaining about harvesting crops and getting nothing... they were digging them up half grown 11:25 Raven262 Make golden sparkles shine all around the fully grown ones :P 11:26 Raven262 That should gather some attention 11:26 tenplus1 particle overflow :P 11:26 Raven262 Tell players to use F5? 11:28 Shara tenplus1: It's a good lesson in paying attention to detail 11:29 tenplus1 so true :) 11:29 tenplus1 was thinking of making them slower to dig when half-fgrown and immediate dig fully grown 11:29 Shara If you add some weird effect to fully grown crops, I'll be forking or dropping the mod, because I don't want that. I like it when crops look like.. well, crops. 11:29 Shara Hmm, that could work 11:30 Shara But if they can't manage to work it out by looking at them, there is no guarantee that will be enough either 11:30 tenplus1 heh 11:36 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:36 Fixer hello 11:45 cx384 tenplus1 you could make a on right click to show that crops are fully grown. maybe send a chat message/show particle or something like this 11:47 cx384 or a crop analyzing tool. 11:49 DS-minetest or a mouth to taste it… 12:04 nerzhul celeron55, okay i fixed that 12:05 nerzhul Shara, yes next release have many fixes, look at the changelog on dev wiki :p 12:05 Shara I'm never sure if changelog is up to date for next release 12:06 nerzhul because i update it 1 times per month im' pretty sure it is as i did it this week :p 12:58 tenplus1 wb lisac 12:58 lisac hey ten :D 12:58 lisac I was on nore's server 12:58 lisac it's nice 12:58 lisac mostly 12:58 lisac but that maze on the map before last... 12:59 lisac made me ragequit after 30 minutes of roaming 12:59 tenplus1 ehehe, did you try the keep left trick ? 13:01 nore heh yeah that maze it a bit complicated :° 13:01 nore "you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike" 13:01 nore (might sound familiar for some people here :p) 13:02 tenplus1 hi nore :P 13:02 nore hey there :) 13:03 tenplus1 omg, am actually using usb floppy drive... 13:12 Zeno` "go east, go south, open window, go west, take lamp, move rug, go up, take sack, take sword, go down, go down, light lamp, go north, go north, kill troll" 13:15 nore lol 13:15 Zeno` and for fun, go into the forest and "count leaves" 13:42 Krock 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12... 13:42 tenplus1 do do do doo doo doo dooooo... twelve! 13:43 Krock forgot to start with zero 13:43 tenplus1 thought you were doing the sesame street pinball tune 13:44 Krock uh no, I wasn't. 13:44 tenplus1 aww 13:45 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOaZbaPzdsk 13:48 tenplus1 wb nrz 13:50 Calinou hi :) 13:51 tenplus1 hi Cal 13:51 Calinou https://lut.im/3k2wIgm2Fo/5IG9usTdLazJdzYX.png 13:51 Calinou I got €0.50 on Liberapay last week :P 13:55 tenplus1 wb cx# 13:56 cx384 o/ tenplus1 13:59 Calinou nice, my cron job for autogenerating the map works: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png 13:59 Calinou it's generated every 6 hours 13:59 Krock congrats Calinou. Now you can buy 1/100th or a metal plate from a real Tesla! 14:00 Krock * 1/1000th 14:00 Calinou :) 14:00 Calinou I made my mapper settings fancier, too 14:00 Calinou dark background/light scale, zoom 2× (easier to see things without using browser zoom) 14:00 Krock mgv7? 14:00 tenplus1 looks like a game map for cannon fodder :P 14:01 Calinou it's mgv6 14:01 tenplus1 yeah I noticed 14:01 Calinou mgv7 is nice, but there's a lot of crazy overhangs (not easy to build in), and the caves are meh 14:01 tenplus1 the dithering around the borders between biomes :D 14:01 Calinou yeah 14:04 Calinou hmm, only had 1 player at most on my server 14:04 Calinou the default password might be too effective :D 14:04 tenplus1 lol 14:04 Calinou it's mentioned both in the server name and description, and it's just "123" (without quotes) 14:05 Calinou looking at the logs, it seems to be efficient in blocking mobile clients whose names aren't blocked 14:05 Calinou (the 3-number ones) 14:06 Calinou the PostgreSQL database used for the world/players is 70 MB already, heh 14:07 tenplus1 not bad, xanadu is sitting at 45gb 14:10 tenplus1 do mapblocks get timestamped on creation ? 14:12 tenplus1 for instance, if mapblocks created had a timestamp would it be possible to remove parts of the map a year or so old ? 14:17 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapblock.cpp#L621 14:18 Krock before the node definition and after node timers/the node metadata 14:18 tenplus1 :PPP 14:19 Krock but sadly, only U32, so it will stop working properly after ~2033 14:19 tenplus1 buuuuuuu 14:19 tenplus1 wait, havent they addressed that issue yet in linux ? 14:20 Krock in operating systems, it was/still is changed actively. but in Minetest.. duh. 14:20 sfan5 Krock: the mapblock timestamp is not unix time 14:21 tenplus1 hi sfan 14:24 Fixer http://www.filfre.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/lm2-6.png okay 14:24 tenplus1 lol 14:30 Fixer In 2030 Minetest will be rewritten to JS++ running on JSLinux 14:30 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic 14:30 tenplus1 js++ ? 14:31 Aerozoic wazup tenplus1 14:31 * tenplus1 is going through floppy disks 14:38 lisac rebooting once again 14:39 Calinou tenplus1: not sure 14:40 Calinou (that could delete areas where people built things, though?) 14:40 tenplus1 I do have a script that unloads map areas that arent protected, but am reluctant to use that 14:40 Calinou is there a script to pregenerate portions of the map? 14:41 Calinou my server runs well, but can get a bit laggy during map generation (I use 2 emerge threads) 14:41 Calinou settings: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7 14:41 Calinou I have an high-end VPS, so I tweaked the settings accordingly 14:41 tenplus1 hrm 14:41 Calinou 15 Hz server tick rate, higher active block range, higher block send/generate distance… 14:41 Calinou trying to make the experience as good as possible, while keeping lag low 14:42 Calinou also disabled the "placing nodes slows down block sending", which is probably nonsensical today 14:42 Fixer Calinou: you can emergeblocks for say 3000x3000 area and it will be fine I guess 14:42 Calinou (we've had block placement prediction since 2012) 14:42 Calinou Fixer: yeah, how do I do that? :P 14:42 Fixer Calinou: easy, in server terminal or ingame, /emergeblocks (x1,y1,z1) (x2,y2,z2) smth like that 14:43 Calinou oh, that's nice 14:43 Fixer Calinou: i did that many times and it worked for me 14:43 Calinou my server is using only 123 MB of RAM right now, heh 14:43 Calinou it can use 1.5 GB if you walk around a lot 14:43 tenplus1 nice n low :D 14:43 Fixer Calinou: it will output some statistics, you will see when generation will end 14:43 Calinou (blocks are kept in RAM for 1 hour, instead of just 30 seconds) 14:43 Calinou my VPS has 15 GB of RAM anyway 14:43 Calinou currently using only 3 GB… 14:43 Calinou so, I don't mind high RAM usage (it's much better than high CPU usage) 14:44 Calinou Fixer: do I put parentheses? 14:45 Fixer Calinou: yes 14:45 Fixer Calinou: or just run /emergeblocks it should give help info 14:46 Calinou yeah 14:46 tenplus1 if it's anything like /deleteblocks it shoudl have the HERE flag... /emergeblocks here 1000 14:47 Fixer Calinou: i even posted a thread about generation speed, let me find it 14:47 Fixer Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15000 14:48 Calinou /emergeblocks (-2048,-128,-2048) (2048,128,2048) 14:48 Calinou who will win? server crash, or map generation? :D 14:48 tenplus1 ehehehehe 14:48 tenplus1 is it possible to limit map height only ? 14:48 Calinou 0.2% done 14:49 Calinou that might be too much… VPS providers don't like if your load average is high for extended periods of time 14:49 Fixer wth... i bought VPS, I expect to use fully 14:49 Calinou considering it uses 2 CPU threads, my VPS is at 25-33% CPU usage 14:49 Calinou and will be for an hour or so 14:49 Calinou Fixer: they all do that, especially the cheaper ones 14:50 Calinou none of them will be happy if you use 100% CPU 24/7 :) 14:50 Fixer pfff 14:50 Fixer thats rip off 14:50 Calinou I got one of them suspended last year 14:50 Fixer same rip off as "unlimited" 14:50 Calinou (I was running a seedbox on it, and that made the load average high, it was automatic) 14:50 Calinou I contacted the support and they restored it, thankfully 14:50 Fixer lol 14:50 Fixer lololol 14:50 Calinou Fixer: you make other people's VPSes slow if you use your CPU fully 14:50 Calinou that's how VPSes work 14:50 Calinou dedicated servers don't have this problem, but are much more expensive 14:50 Fixer so they sell VPS to actually not do any CPU work? WTH 14:50 Calinou you can do intensive CPU work, but not for long periods of time 14:51 Calinou I'd advise < 30 minutes 14:51 Calinou (it's enough most of the time…) 14:51 tenplus1 wb lisac 14:51 Calinou heh, it went from 0.8% to 1.8% 14:51 Calinou 2.4% now 14:52 Fixer i don't mind day of 100% cpu usage and then they asking if smth is broken or smth, but 30 min is just horseshit 14:54 lisac thanks tenplus1 14:54 Calinou 6.2%… 14:54 lisac hey nore can I request a password reset on your server? 14:54 lisac I seem to have typed the wrong one first time 14:55 Calinou fun fact: I forgot to change my Minetest password on my server until today 14:55 lisac I tried with both caps and without caps 14:55 Calinou so, anyone could have logged in using the default password, 123 :D 14:55 Calinou but nobody did it 14:55 Calinou now it's changed :P 14:55 lisac Calinou, you should've told me before you changed it 14:55 lisac can't do much now. 14:55 lisac :P 15:00 Fixer Calinou: btw LazyJ had bad luck with hosting LinuxGaming2 (previously), it was lagging constantly with max_lag 4-7 most of the time, he finally ended contract and switched from that horseshit 15:01 Calinou a dedicated server is always better, but it's too expensive for me 15:02 Fixer Calinou: what price? 15:02 Calinou https://www.soyoustart.com/'s dedis aren't too expensive, but not cheap either 15:04 Fixer Calinou: too costly by East Europe standards 15:04 Calinou yeah 15:05 Calinou consider that I'm not making profit from hosting game servers :P 15:05 Calinou and I'm still a student 15:06 Fixer Calinou: still, it should not be that bad for your country, with wages X000 USD wages, but prohibitive in places with 300USD wage 15:06 Fixer vps is kinda shit, but no alternative... 15:06 Fixer unless you host at home or smth 15:06 Calinou starting from next month, I'll be getting my scholarship again, and it's €70 higher than last year (since my parents earned less money, etc) 15:07 Calinou €321/month, totalling to €3,210/year 15:07 tenplus1 oof 15:07 Calinou I live with my parents, which means that this money is basically pocket change :P 15:07 Calinou but I'd rather not spend it too much 15:07 Fixer Calinou: still running seedbox? har-har 15:08 Calinou yeah 15:08 Fixer it is quite amazing that piracy has big history in USA itself 15:08 Calinou I seed only legal torrents, actually 15:08 Calinou https://lut.im/mI4JF0CsPv/eNGhvA8NLGCiI8rD.png 15:09 Fixer 0ad, still alpha 15:09 Calinou the top torrent (in ratio) has been seeding for almost 5 weeks 15:09 tenplus1 +100 15:09 Fixer alpha feels uneasy for me 15:09 Calinou I seed open source things because I like them :P 15:10 Fixer Calinou: i will just say on my 2mbit I already seeded 791GB of one known stand up comic... 15:10 Fixer and paused it a bit 15:10 Calinou I capped the upload to 1.4 MB/s (download isn't capped, and this server can download really fast, like, 40 MB/s) 15:10 Calinou but in practice, upload rarely goes above 800 KB/s 15:10 Calinou (not enough demand) 15:10 Calinou I'm almost out of SSD space on this VPS 15:11 Calinou 5 GB left… 15:11 tenplus1 how big ? 15:11 Calinou 4.4 GB left actually, out of 60 GB 15:11 Calinou torrent files take up a lot of space 15:11 tenplus1 what torrent sertup you got ? 15:11 Calinou (14 GB right now) 15:11 Calinou rTorrent + ruTorrent (web interface) 15:11 Fixer Calinou: seed flightgear... :trollface: 15:12 Fixer who even uses torrents for downloading LibreOffice... 15:12 Calinou https://gist.github.com/Calinou/6f92c3c1e208a26a3bc13d2ffeed7b54 15:12 rubenwardy I use kimsufi for my dedi, Fixer. £14pm for reasonable specs 15:12 Calinou my configuration ^ 15:12 rubenwardy no SSD though 15:12 Calinou gotta love the "gist" Ruby gem <3 15:12 Calinou makes creating gists very easy 15:14 Fixer Calinou: your torrent list is not impressive at all 15:14 lumidify Calinou: what VPS provider are you using now? (sorry, may have missed it in all that backlog...) 15:15 Calinou this one: https://www.gheberg.com/ - it's a nonprofit French provider (they speak only French) 15:15 Calinou we have many hosts which are actually nonprofits here :) 15:15 Calinou so the prices are really low, but there's no uptime guarantee 15:15 Calinou (in practice, uptime is very good, close to 100%) 15:15 Fixer Calinou: dump Libreoffice, torrent FlightGear and Orbiter 15:15 Calinou they are KVM too (and not OpenVZ) 15:15 Calinou Fixer: hmm, didn't think about FlightGear :) 15:16 Fixer about 1.5gb of space 15:16 Fixer same for Orbiter, or more 15:16 Fixer Orbiter is freeware 15:17 tenplus1 hi Megaf 15:17 lumidify http://ramnode.com/ seems to be pretty good, but I haven't hosted any game server there (although I think quite a few people use it for MC). 15:17 lumidify But they don't have unlimited bandwidth :/ 15:17 Calinou yeah, my bandwidth is unlimited 15:18 Fixer Calinou: where is 0ad for linux? 15:18 Megaf Hi all 15:18 Megaf Fixer, apt get install 0ad 15:18 Calinou lumidify: I get much better specs for the price, here 15:18 Calinou (comparing the KVM VPSes of Ramnode to the ones from Gheberg) 15:18 Megaf Fixer, I mean, apt install 0ad 15:18 Fixer Megaf: aptitude 15:18 Megaf or pacman -S 0ad 15:18 Calinou for €15/month (including VAT), I get 8 threads, 15 GB of RAM (15, not 16, yeah), 60 GB SSD 15:18 Calinou and unlimited bandwdith (usually around 100 Mb/s in upload, 400-500 Mb/s in download) 15:18 Megaf or yum install 0ad, or 15:19 Megaf hm, 15 Euro for 8 threads 15:19 Megaf are those the fast type of thread tho? 15:19 Calinou also, these are really expensive: http://www.ramnode.com/vds.php 15:19 Calinou VPSes with dedicated CPU (not a fully dedicated, but close) 15:19 Calinou $40/month for two cores and 8 GB of RAM… meh 15:19 Calinou they do allow full usage 24/7 15:19 sfan5 ugh ramnode 15:20 sfan5 haven't seen more restrictive tos in a long time 15:20 Calinou the So You Start dedis are cheaper :P 15:20 Calinou and they're full machines 15:20 * Megaf is happy with Linode 15:20 Megaf 10 USD 1 thread, 20 GB and 2 GB 15:20 rubenwardy my kimsufi dedi is 2c and 8 GB ram for £14pm ($18) 15:21 rubenwardy Megaf, I used linode for ages. It's convenient and better than DO 15:21 lumidify Then there's https://www.scaleway.com/, but I've seen some horrible reviews of its reliability. 15:21 rubenwardy but I now need more RAM 15:21 Megaf rubenwardy, they are amazing, but they give little RAM and CPU... 15:21 rubenwardy yeah 15:21 rubenwardy I was limited by both 15:21 lumidify I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P 15:22 rubenwardy Does OpenBSD have any tangable benefits? 15:22 rubenwardy or is it just hipster purism obsession 15:23 lumidify Well, security, and the fact that it has really nice software. Especially OpenSMTPd and OpenHTTPd are really nice. 15:23 tenplus1 the latter 15:24 lumidify The only reason why I keep Linux around is because MT 0.4.16 doesn't seem to work on OpenBSD. 15:24 sfan5 lumidify: your ranking isn't a good idea if you universally apply it to all providers 15:24 sfan5 openvz-only providers support *bsd in 0% of cases 15:25 lumidify sfan5: well, it was partially a joke. I want to run my email server, etc. on OpenBSD, but if I ran a game server, I'd probably just go with the cheapest option, even if it didn't support OpenBSD. 15:25 sfan5 or you could get a single dedi to do both? :D 15:26 rubenwardy more servers the better! 15:26 lumidify I might consider running a server once LOTT is cleaned up a bit... 15:26 rubenwardy I want to have enough traffic to my site to justify load balancing over multiple servers 15:27 lumidify I want multiple server just so I can have their hostnames be the names of my favorite composers - dvorak, shostakovich, tchaikovsky, rachmaninov, prokofiev, etc. :P 15:27 lumidify *servers 15:29 Krock kalashnikov and putin 15:29 Krock latter can, as I heard, ride on bears 15:29 lumidify Well, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture does include a part for actual cannons... 15:30 Megaf [16:21:58] I rank VPS providers based on whether they support OpenBSD or not. If they don't, they're disqualified automatically :P 15:30 Megaf So you can add Linode to your list of good ranked 15:30 lumidify :) 15:30 Megaf You can add absolutely any OS you want 15:31 tenplus1 Amiga OS 4.1 15:31 Megaf You can in fact, set up your server on virtualbox 15:31 Megaf and upload the disk image to your Linode 15:31 Megaf and run it 15:31 Megaf Ok, any x86_32 and x86_64 OS 15:31 lumidify I like ramnode because it allows VNC access. Quite a few others probably do that too, but scaleway just has some buggy web-based console for it. 15:31 Megaf unless you make a tiny OS as middle man to translate x86 to other architecture 15:32 tenplus1 wb Cal 15:33 Megaf hm, 15:33 Megaf lumidify, whats wrong with Minetest on OpenBSD? 15:33 lumidify Megaf: The reason why I chose ramnode for my low-resource email (and some other small things) server was because it does have some really cheap plans. 15:34 lumidify Megaf: Last time I tried, there was something with the threading. The official OpenBSD package/port is 0.4.14, and I managed to compile 0.4.15, but 0.4.16 crashes immediately, and gdb points to some files that seem to do threading stuff. 15:36 rubenwardy http://www.purescript.org/ 15:37 rubenwardy jesus christ 15:37 lumidify Maybe it's just something with my specific system or I'm just making a stupid mistake, but I dunno... 15:37 lumidify Who wants to rewrite MT in this? https://github.com/samshadwell/TrumpScript 15:37 Megaf rubenwardy, whattaactualfeck 15:38 Megaf no, just no 15:38 Megaf I should try to compile minetest to JavaScript tho 15:38 tenplus1 ?????? 15:38 Megaf there are some JavaScript compilers for C++ 15:38 Megaf so you can run actual software on browsers 15:38 Megaf internet archive do that a lot for example 15:39 Megaf you have DOSBox in JavaScript there... 15:39 rubenwardy "In its raw form, TrumpScript is not compatible with Windows, because Trump isn't the type of guy to believe in PC." 15:42 Calinou back, had some VPS issues due to the high CPU load :P 15:42 Calinou but it wasn't suspended 15:43 Calinou my VPS runs Ubuntu Server 16.04, by the way 15:43 Calinou Debian 9 would be a better choice today, since it has newer packages. But once Ubuntu 18.04 is released, their packages will be older :D 15:43 Calinou my Apache doesn't have HTTP/2 :( 15:43 Calinou nginx does, but I stopped using it because it's too cumbersome to set up/maintain with some PHP software 15:43 rubenwardy why not 17.04? 15:43 Calinou 17.04 isn't LTS 15:43 Calinou I could upgrade, but meh 15:43 Calinou it's pretty risky to upgrade a VPS anyway 15:44 Calinou but LTS -> LTS should be ok 15:44 Megaf Calinou, How can I check if my websertver have http/2? 15:44 Calinou Megaf: use your browser's inspector, it should tell you in the Network tab if you click on a request 15:44 rubenwardy Calinou, you could use nginx in front of apache 15:44 rubenwardy or use php_fpm with nginx (I do this when I need PHP things) 15:44 Calinou or use https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test 15:45 Calinou haha 15:45 Calinou https://lut.im/EkQnAV9jbB/kB2Ei0iyaOdURqfN.png 15:45 rubenwardy although I use docker for any PHP things 15:45 rubenwardy don't want PHP on my actual system 15:45 Calinou I don't use Docker here 15:45 Calinou rubenwardy: yeah, nginx + php-fpm is what I used. 15:45 Calinou it's not too hard to set it up for WordPress 15:46 Calinou …for anything more, it's a PITA because people can't be arsed to document things or write them properly (permalinks) 15:46 Calinou eg. Nextcloud can be quite hard 15:46 Calinou so, one of my alternatives using an Apache PPA 15:47 Megaf tell in the network tab, hm 15:47 Megaf I found the network tab 15:52 Megaf Calinou, what browser you use? 15:52 Calinou hmm, apparently my Apache *is* new enough for HTTP/2 15:52 Calinou Chromium 15:52 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIvf5tIW0AAa7lO.jpg:large 15:53 Megaf interesting, Debian has a package called chromium-shell 15:53 Calinou heh, it's not very simple but it's possible: https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-set-up-apache-with-http2-support-on-ubuntu-16-04/ 15:53 Megaf I wonder if thats ChromeOS interface 15:53 Calinou Megaf: Chromium-shell is a stripped-down version of Chromium 15:53 Calinou nothing to do with ChromeOS 15:53 Fixer https://twitter.com/intheInfantry/status/904040173801021440 15:53 Megaf ah 15:53 Megaf I like stripped down version of things 15:54 rubenwardy Fixer is reading r/programmerhumor 15:54 Megaf Calinou, can you check http://wings.megaf.info/ please? 15:54 Megaf I didnt suceed 15:54 Calinou I can open the site 15:55 Calinou https://tools.keycdn.com/http2-test can't, though 15:55 Megaf I know... 15:55 Megaf I tried that too 15:55 Megaf wouldnt be asking otherwise 15:56 Fixer https://twitter.com/evertp/status/901204486777184256 15:57 sfan5 Megaf: you need https for http 2.0 support 15:57 Fixer https://minetest.net not supported 15:57 Fixer FAIL 15:57 Calinou yeah 15:57 Calinou that is mandatory 15:57 Calinou get a certificate from Let's Encrypt :) 15:57 Megaf it's complicated 15:57 Megaf not even the guys at #letsencrypt know how to help me 15:57 Megaf with my setup 15:57 Megaf and asked me to post in the forums 15:57 rubenwardy https://minetest.net doesn't even work 15:57 Megaf I will, eventually 15:58 rubenwardy Megaf, what is your setup? 15:58 Fixer https://twitter.com/xxxdretentacion/status/899076829855830016 15:58 Fixer WHO EVEN BUYS THIS??? 15:58 rubenwardy letsencrypt was easy for me 15:58 rubenwardy hardest bit was adjusting settings to get A+ on ssllabs.com 15:58 Megaf rubenwardy, I use a software called pound to send the requests to domains or subdomains to the right VPS 15:59 rubenwardy does pound support SSL? 15:59 Megaf wings.megaf.info when arrives in the main server, is redirected to x.x.x.xx7 for example 15:59 Megaf git.megaf.info goes to x.x.x.xx6 15:59 Megaf and so on 15:59 sfan5 just use the webroot verification method 15:59 sfan5 personally i use simp_le for this 16:00 Megaf I have several other domains, not only megaf.info subdomains 16:00 rubenwardy if pound doesn't support per-subdomain certs, you'll need to use only one certificate with aliases for each subdomain 16:00 Calinou Fixer: does /emergeblocks regenerate existing areas? 16:00 Calinou if used agaijn 16:00 Calinou again* 16:00 rubenwardy one you get the cert, it shouldn't be that hard 16:00 Calinou looks like it didn't complete: http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png 16:00 Calinou (6.2 MB) 16:00 rubenwardy and see sfan5's message for that 16:00 Fixer Calinou: probably not, no idea 16:03 Fixer this is most horrifying https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRhvNcVoAAuqyf.jpg:large 16:03 Fixer why would they buy and install this? 16:03 Fixer smart faucet? really? 16:03 Fixer with linux on it? 16:03 Fixer why? 16:03 Calinou rubenwardy: just tested my server on SSLLabs, https://lut.im/ESLvcr2UEu/tQ0jIsfEW9Qh9epO.png 16:03 rubenwardy nice 16:03 Calinou that's nice, considered I didn't really tweak anything 16:05 Krock Fixer, they want to make the IOT bigger 16:06 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGtq1FoXgAElk-3.jpg:large 16:07 Calinou https://lut.im/3S3mUABH8b/kyR6Ubuq5wHu47Rn.png 16:07 Calinou :DDD 16:07 Calinou it works :) 16:07 rubenwardy wooo! 16:08 rubenwardy have you changed the image and nav bar on your site recently? 16:08 rubenwardy *nav bar color 16:08 Calinou no, I haven't updated it since ~October 2016 :| 16:08 Calinou I want to redesign it, but it takes time 16:08 Fixer https://twitter.com/Shitty_Future/status/886148202185068545 16:08 Calinou (can't find inspiration to make a good-looking thing) 16:08 rubenwardy ah, I'm just an idiot then 16:08 Calinou this CSS framework looks pretty cool, and I don't really need IE11 support: v 16:08 Calinou http://bulma.io/ 16:09 rubenwardy oh nice 16:09 rubenwardy I've been meaning to ask for CSS frameworks as easy as bootstrap 16:09 rubenwardy but less generic looking 16:09 rubenwardy and ones that encourage 16:09 Fixer you IRL https://twitter.com/Shitty_Future/status/878503078470836224 16:09 rubenwardy HTML semantic tags 16:10 Calinou this one has a lot of nice things: Flexbox-based, uses Sass (like Bootstrap 4), Webpack-friendly 16:10 Calinou (I set up Webpack + Babel already :P) 16:11 Calinou plays well with Font Awesome, too 16:11 Calinou the CSS is still large, but with gzip compression it's small 16:11 Calinou and there's no JavaScript, you implement the JS features you need yourself 16:11 Calinou (jQuery isn't mandatory!) 16:11 Calinou (Bootstrap 4 still requires jQuery…) 16:11 Fixer https://twitter.com/EnglishRussia1/status/862661011882561537 16:12 Fixer m o b i l e a p p s 16:12 rubenwardy that pisses me off 16:13 rubenwardy earn your reviews, god dammit 16:13 rubenwardy ooh 16:14 rubenwardy Minetest Mods has just surpassed 600 active installs! 16:17 tenplus1 nice 16:17 * tenplus1 force grew Hemp in 3 days next to meselamp and a week normally in natural daylight 16:21 Fixer rubenwardy: and active install is? 16:21 Calinou Fixer: no :( /emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks 16:21 Calinou it's a waste of time in my case, I'll need to adjust coordinates by hand 16:21 Calinou can I stop an /emergeblocks task safely? 16:21 Fixer Calinou: no idea %) 16:21 Calinou (my world has nothing important right now, but still) 16:22 rubenwardy Fixer, number of devices my app is installed on 16:22 Fixer rubenwardy: interesting 16:22 rubenwardy only active devices, ones that have connected to google play recently 16:23 Fixer quite amazing we have 600 mobile players that install mods 16:23 Calinou alright, stopped/restarted the server, seems to be ok 16:23 Calinou only 685933 blocks to generate now 8) 16:24 Calinou my world database is 445 MB right now 16:25 Fixer Calinou: public server? 16:26 Calinou Fixer: yes, it's on the list 16:26 Fixer 0.5.0? 16:27 Calinou 0.4.17 (it's actually stable 0.4.16, but the version scheme changed) 16:27 Calinou so, you need a stable client 16:28 Fixer i'm using latest 0.5.0, two compatible servers on list 16:29 * rubenwardy uses 0.5.0-dev 16:29 Fixer 0.5.0-dev,yes 16:30 * rubenwardy realises he's an idiot and never migrated his server to PostreSQL 16:34 Calinou it's quite easy 16:34 Calinou also, you *can* put the world and player informations in the same database 16:34 Calinou rubenwardy: I should write a wiki article dedicated to PostgreSQL setup, I guess 16:34 Calinou from installing the software itself, to migrating a SQLite world 16:34 Calinou (some people may never have used Postgres before) 16:35 rubenwardy good idea 16:40 Fixer Calinou: describe your minetest server 16:41 Calinou Fixer: "A survival, building-oriented server." :D 16:41 Calinou there's not much going on right now, I added a few mods but nothing big 16:41 Calinou no mobs right now, I'm not really satisfied with the current mob mods… :( 16:41 Fixer Calinou: areas or protector, central spawn or chaotic? 16:43 Calinou no central spawn yet 16:43 Calinou areas is installed, with self-protection allowed 16:43 Calinou moreblocks, maptools, sprint, hudbars, spectator_mode, name_restrictions also are installed :) 16:43 * rubenwardy is thinking of starting a server aimed at 1940s / steam punk / early modernism 16:43 rubenwardy so a coastal city with a subway etc 16:43 tenplus1 that sounds pretty good... always loved steampunk 16:44 Calinou people love steampunk, but they also love Steam 16:44 * Calinou hides 16:44 Calinou so… they are Steam punks 16:44 * Calinou hides more 16:45 Fixer rubenwardy: if coastal city... don't forget to protect all the fucking water 16:45 Fixer rubenwardy: or nice "city" will be transformed into boxes on water city 16:46 rubenwardy ha, yeah 16:46 Fixer rubenwardy: same for rivers 16:47 Fixer those nice v7 rivers... just wait for a nice bridg....nevermind 16:48 Fixer another problem is they block the river completely with those flying boxes 16:48 Fixer not acceptable 16:48 Fixer we need a new mod that protects space over all pregenerated water 16:49 Fixer otherwise kiddies ruin it to India like levels 16:52 Fixer i've joined 0.5.0-dev DCBL server... feels like when I went back to 2011, worst builds i've seen and worst griefs, forest fires in many places 16:53 Fixer you give people tons of block varieties - still looks like shit from 2011 16:53 red-001 DCBL? 16:53 Fixer yeah 16:53 Fixer dcbl 16:53 Fixer look up on list 16:54 Fixer i've had some kray.dy.fi anarchy server flasbacks after visiting it, not that server is bad, but people builds are horrifying 16:55 Fixer my OCD broke, had to remove some of fires and pillars 16:55 Calinou >Server: Player with the name "1000000000" tried to connect from **.**.**.** but it was disallowed for the following reason: All-numeric usernames are disallowed on this server. 16:55 Calinou that's a billion-dollar player! 16:55 Fixer guest1000000000 16:56 Calinou oh yeah, kray.dy.fi 16:56 Calinou I played on that one in August 2011 :D 16:56 Calinou I built a castle with quaker66/q66 16:56 Calinou "NyanLand" 16:56 Calinou (back when nyancats were popular) 16:56 Fixer Calinou: on peaceful one or on anarchy one? 16:58 Fixer wth with sprinting that increases my jumping considerebly? 16:59 Fixer those people live in 3017: https://i.imgur.com/BZUXCB4.png 17:02 tenplus1 heh 17:02 tenplus1 prefer sprint with hunger instead of separate spring bar 17:03 Fixer DO NOT MAKE SPAWNS ON WATER. EVER 17:03 * rubenwardy 's server spawn is probably going to be next to a harbour 17:04 Fixer Also, protect pretty big area around spawn, make it pretty light 17:04 rubenwardy agreed 17:04 Fixer every water city-spawns i've seen - FPS shitshow 17:05 Fixer look how bueautiful it is: https://i.imgur.com/k3hs7aw.png 17:06 nerzhul new art 17:06 tenplus1 looks like one of my houses 17:07 tenplus1 http://i60.tinypic.com/1zvsnx0.jpg 17:09 sfan5 small tip: tinypic is absolutely terrible 17:10 tenplus1 ehehe 17:10 Krock offtopic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJq7fG9gDN8 17:19 Calinou sorry, am running into more server issues due to /emergeblocks :P 17:19 Calinou one last step now, generating from Z 1216 to Z 2048 17:19 Calinou Fixer: peaceful, PvP is allowed though (but griefing isn't) 17:19 Calinou Fixer: I tweaked physics on my server: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/683cb0748efe867be6e18f86f206a6b7 17:20 Calinou sprinting is +30% speed, 20.0 units of stamina, but no jump height increase (default is +10%) 17:20 KaadmY Why is the setting called `movement_speed_crouch` but everywhere internally it's called sneaking 17:20 Calinou KaadmY: I have no idea… it's been called this way since at least 2015, heh 17:20 Calinou (checked with a Git blame) 17:21 Calinou walking is 4.5 nodes/s instead of 4 nodes/s (5.85 nodes/s when sprinting), and sneaking is 1.8 nodes/s (default is 1.35 nodes/s, I made it 40% of the walking speed) 17:21 Krock Calinou, you forgot movement_gravity = 3.69 17:22 Krock (as if you were on mars) 17:22 Calinou these physics overall feel better to play with 17:22 Calinou and you're faster, so traveling isn't as annoying 17:23 Calinou (that speed is similar to Minecraft, in fact you're a tiny bit faster) 17:23 tenplus1 hi paramat 17:25 * KaadmY greets * 17:25 Calinou my world database now is 800 MB 17:25 Calinou I should set up automated backups for things on my VPS, uploading to my local NAS automatically or something 17:26 Calinou that should be possible using SFTP/rsync 17:26 Calinou but I need to make my NAS accessible from the Internet first, and haven't succeeded yet 17:26 Calinou port forwarding with this ISP is a mess, you do it on an *online* (ie. non-local) interface, and you need to restart the router at every change… 17:45 Calinou alright, the 4096×256×4096 area around the world origin is generated :) 17:46 Calinou a 8584×8584 map is being generated… 17:46 Calinou (the image) 17:46 Calinou the database is 956 MB 17:50 Fixer in Minecraft they can make a backup on the fly it seems, will be nice if minetest can do that too 17:51 Fixer Calinou: what Y-area you generated? 17:52 Fixer -100 to +156? :} 17:52 Fixer mt can generated at least two map blocks down, rarely three 17:52 Calinou -128 to 128 17:52 Fixer can generate* 17:52 Calinou seems reasonable to me 17:52 Fixer ok 17:52 Fixer yes 17:52 Fixer totally reasonable 17:53 Calinou (the server's block send/generate distance is 14, higher than the default which is 10) 17:53 Calinou the active block range is 4 (instead of 3), too 17:53 Calinou and block send optimization is disabled (ie. its value is set to 15, which is above the send distance) 17:53 Calinou Fixer: I need to check if the world (files + PostgreSQL database) can be backed up at runtime 17:53 Calinou if not, a daily restart is required :P 17:54 Fixer please read personal appeal of blablah: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/27 17:54 Fixer Calinou: daily restart is needed anyway 17:54 Fixer at least once a day or few days 17:54 Fixer for maximum performance 17:54 Calinou I have plenty of RAM 17:54 Fixer Calinou: i will join your server after eating 17:55 Calinou :) there's no builds right now 17:55 Calinou I should build a spawn area 18:00 Calinou full map without any holes, this is beautiful… http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou.png 18:00 Calinou (12 MB, may be slow to load/zoom in) 18:03 rubenwardy nice 18:03 rubenwardy would be cool to be able to generate cartographic style maps 18:04 rubenwardy parts of it wouldn't be that hard 18:04 Calinou so I was looking for driver release notes on NVIDIA's site… http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/385.41/385.41-win10-win8-win7-desktop-release-notes.pdf 18:04 Calinou they make a 45-page PDF for every minor release? 18:05 Calinou rubenwardy: once the map becomes huge, it could be split in 25 parts (for example) 18:05 Calinou or use Leaflet.js 18:05 Calinou also, I removed --zoom 2, this makes it smaller (9.7 MB instead of 12 MB), and much faster to zoom in 18:06 Calinou too bad that Firefox/Chrome's built-in image viewers do not have a way to force nearest-neighbor filtering 18:07 Calinou although… http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-crisp-edges 18:08 Calinou if I make an HTML page containing just the image (and possibly some JavaScript to aid navigation), then Firefox/Chrome/Safari/IE11 can have nearest interpolation 18:08 Calinou Edge can't, though :p 18:08 rubenwardy who cares about edge 18:08 Calinou not a lot of people, I guess 18:09 rubenwardy Chrome + Firefox is all you need 18:09 Calinou what's surprising is that it's supported in IE11 ;) 18:09 Calinou but not in Edge, and that's really weird 18:09 rubenwardy I mean, you should write nice standard CSS etc 18:10 rubenwardy and if it doesn't work in IE/Edge because it's too new then it's not something I care about 18:13 * rubenwardy 's site works in Lynx 18:16 benrob0329 rubenwardy: but does it work in w3m? 18:19 rubenwardy no idea 18:24 Fixer Calinou: ati driver press releases are like 100 lines in total 18:24 rubenwardy "bug fixes and performance improvements" 18:27 Fixer Calinou: looks like cheese 18:27 Fixer as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUMVq4pY94 18:35 nerzhul Calinou, 800 MB in your database ? little boy, my server has 10GB :p 18:35 nerzhul postgresql backup can be done when you want using pg_dump 18:35 nerzhul it's a transctional db 18:43 Fixer Calinou: default password: 123... wth? 18:45 Fixer can't use custom password? 18:46 Fixer Calinou: connected with 0.4.16 client: https://i.imgur.com/YL4MGM2.png 18:47 rubenwardy Fixer, you can change your password 18:48 Fixer okay 18:48 rubenwardy would be good to force clients to do that when a default password is set 18:48 Krock Fixer, set hud_scale to 1 18:48 rubenwardy even better, deprecate default_password and add server passwords instead 18:48 Krock we have an issue for that 18:48 rubenwardy (password to make an account) 18:48 Fixer Krock: ? 18:49 Krock Fixer, the wrong aligned bars. the hud scale setting causes this 18:49 Fixer Krock: i'm using default settings 18:50 Krock o.o 18:53 Fixer Krock: client 0.4.16, server is 0.4.17, where is 0.4.17 client btw? 18:53 tenplus1 it's hiding beneath 0.5.0 18:54 Krock there's no 0.4.17 server 18:54 Krock at least - not yet 18:57 sfan5 Krock: the stable-0.4 branch has a 0.4.17 verchange pushed which confused some people 18:58 tenplus1 hi nate 19:00 Krock sfan5, oh interesting. I assumed there will be a 0.4.17 release similar dated with 0.5.0, just without the compat breaking commits 19:00 sfan5 >without breaking commits 19:00 sfan5 nah 19:01 Krock i.e. bugfixes 19:01 sfan5 it will only have a few fixes afaik 19:01 tenplus1 I still say we urge players to update to 0.5.0 when released 19:01 sfan5 of course 19:01 tenplus1 why 0.4.17 at all 19:03 Krock because logic. 19:03 tenplus1 lol 19:04 Krock players want to play on the old servers, that might need a while to update 19:07 tenplus1 then they stick with 0.4.16 until the mods are updated to 0.5.0 19:07 tenplus1 and all platforms can get the update 19:11 tenplus1 wb 19:15 Sokomine the newer version is receiving less testing due to players sticking to the last working (on servers) release i'm afraid 19:15 Sokomine what updates will mods require, ten? 19:15 tenplus1 hi Sokomine, and yeah... if minetest-next was available to test with stable installed then it would be tested more 19:16 Sokomine there are some breaking changes. it's good that they're done now. just...makes testing more complicated 19:17 tenplus1 any testing will have to wait until final release 19:18 Sokomine i'm currently wondering about how to support hardware coloring in the moreblocks version of the circular saw. hardware coloring for these types of blocks would offer 8 colors per registered block. the original full block may have up to 256 colors. offering 16 diffrent stairlike nodes per full block and shape could be done, but..it is a bit excessive 19:19 tenplus1 indeed 19:19 tenplus1 I havent touched hardware colouring at all 19:19 Sokomine i wonder what a useful compromise might be. 256's far too much for that purpose. 8, 16 or (maybe) even 32 might be more sensible 19:19 Sokomine hardware coloring is a very nice feature 19:19 tenplus1 do we really need 256 colours at all... 32 is more than enough 19:19 Sokomine you don't have to use them. they come at no extra cost 19:20 tenplus1 heh 19:20 Sokomine just don't expect a stair for each shade of the color :-) 19:21 tenplus1 hi thomas 19:21 Sokomine it's also a question about which palette to use. there are many diffrent ways to define colors 19:21 Megaf So I made an 8K 16:9 minimalistic wallpaper. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/MegafsPrismMinimalisticWallpaper/raw/master/Prism-8K.png 19:21 bigfoot547 hey ThomasMonroe 19:21 Megaf I can render it in any resolution and aspect ration if you want a copy 19:21 ThomasMonroe hey bigfoot, and ten 19:22 tenplus1 hibogfoot 19:22 tenplus1 er... hi bigfoot 19:22 Sokomine hi :-) 19:23 bigfoot547 hey 11 19:26 paramat benrob0329 we don't have a dungeon API, if we did it wouldn't help your tardis much because the structures it generates would not be very flexible. schems are fast code so should not be too slow 19:31 Megaf I think nobody liked my wallpaper... 19:31 tenplus1 lol, already got a nice one :D 19:31 * tenplus1 is very particular 19:36 Megaf Made another one, a Christian one, quite proud of it. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wallpapers/src/master/Trindade.png 19:41 paramat Calinou "/emergeblocks regenerates existing blocks" it shouldn't, it only generates non-generated blocks 19:42 paramat but, it might generate in mapchunks at a time, so a safety margin of 80 or 112 may be needed 19:43 paramat but, mapgen only replaces ignore nodes .. 19:50 Sokomine Megaf: hm. can't see your first link. but i'm not much into wallpapers. post it on the forum. the offtopic people will be glad :-) 19:51 paramat maybe i'm wrong 19:51 tenplus1 hi caleb 19:51 Megaf Sokomine, http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Wallpapers 19:51 Megaf there 19:51 CalebDavis hi ten 19:52 paramat description = "Load (or, if nonexistent, generate) map blocks " 19:54 nerzhul emerge block only load block and if not generated, generate 19:54 Megaf I'm making a sunflower wallpaper now 19:58 tenplus1 nite all o/ 20:28 Calinou paramat: well, it wasted its time on existing areas here 20:28 Calinou when I ran it again on the same area 20:28 Calinou (ie. it didn't go any faster) 20:28 Fixer Calinou: probably generated underground areas 20:28 Fixer and air 20:28 Calinou nah, I put the same boundaries 20:29 rubenwardy emerge loads blocks as well as generating 20:29 rubenwardy so it depends on the difference in time between generating vs loading 20:31 Calinou https://hastebin.com/aketonumod.txt :| 20:31 Calinou why is multiarch still broken in 2017 20:31 Calinou compiling for 32-bit Linux on a 64-bit Ubuntu is a nightmare because of thiqs 20:31 Calinou -q 20:32 Calinou (trying to look if it's realistically doable to automate 32-bit Linux builds for Godot, with GitLab CI) 20:32 Calinou (because no matter what you do, people *will* ask for them…) 20:33 Calinou I'll do just 64-bit for now, and copy the 64-bit templates as 32-bit ones (so that Godot doesn't complain) 20:33 Calinou #evilplan 21:09 benrob0329 Megaf: it was nice, both of them. Just not my taste :P 21:10 benrob0329 paramat: alright 21:25 rdococ odd 21:26 rdococ when I use wine to run minetest, it gets opened as a zombie process 21:26 rdococ wait 21:26 rdococ there are two processes named minetest.exe 21:39 rubenwardy > use wine to run minetest 21:39 rubenwardy O_o 21:43 sfan5 it works better than you might expect 21:44 Megaf benrob0329, what's your taste like? 21:44 Megaf I actually used to run a game called IL-2 under wine 21:45 Megaf and another one that I dont remember the name 21:45 Megaf ran better than on windows 21:45 Megaf not because wine was good, not because the GPU driver was good on Linux, but because Windows really sucked 21:45 Megaf Windows came a long way and is much better now 21:46 Megaf while Linux had just regression on top of regression