IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-08-31

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02:38	CalebDavis	night all
03:16	benrob0329	When you realise you haven't looked at the forums in months
03:19	bigfoot547	yes
03:19	bigfoot547	benrob0329: You mean my life? lol
03:19	bigfoot547	I haven't looked at the forums, or even really github in a long while
03:19	bigfoot547	But I did finally get a ZNC lol
03:38	benrob0329	\>znc
03:38	benrob0329	Kek
04:02	Natechip	benrob0329: no one uses those
04:02	Natechip	hey everyone
04:02	Natechip	answer me this
04:02	Natechip	if apple made a car would it have windows?
04:20	benrob0329	No, it would have screen
04:22	Natechip	ahaha thats true knowing them:P
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04:44	benrob0329	When you say a joke, and your not sure if the other person got it or not...
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07:22	srifqi	hi
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10:46	Calinou	new article from John Romero on Quake's multiplayer maps: http://rome.ro/news/2017/8/30/multiplayer-only-maps
10:46	Calinou	KaadmY: ^
10:48	Jordach	benrob0329, new techmoan
10:51	Raven262	Seriously? I though doom multiplayer maps were known of in those days :P
10:57	Calinou	Raven262: Quake isn't the first game to ship with multiplayer maps, actually
10:57	Calinou	Marathon and Rise of the Triad are the first ones
10:57	Calinou	Doom and Doom 2 didn't feature official multiplayer-only maps
10:57	Calinou	people who wanted to deathmatch on vanilla, had to use the singleplayer maps as deathmatch maps
10:58	Calinou	(this still was a popular concept in Quake; E1M2 is a popular choice for deathmatch)
10:58	Calinou	I heard that Quake 2 didn't even ship with deathmatch maps in the initial release, they were added in an update
10:59	Raven262	Doom and doom engine games have maps that can be played both in singleplayer and multiplayer
10:59	Calinou	yeah
10:59	Calinou	but the official maps are designed for singleplayer
10:59	Calinou	they're mostly linear
10:59	Calinou	a deathmatch map is never linear
10:59	Calinou	but, E1M2 is surprisingly non-linear, which made it popular for deathmatch
11:07	Raven262	True, remember doom2's map01? its deathmatch reconstruction in dwango5 adds a few more corridors, elevators and open areas, interconnecting the original areas and making the map less linear (even though there are a few dead ends still)
11:07	Calinou	yeah
11:08	Calinou	fun fact: there's a custom Quake map, death32c, which is a merge of most of the Quake deathmatch maps
11:08	Calinou	so, it's a huge map
11:08	Calinou	I did a 10v10 mix once :D
11:08	Raven262	lol
11:08	Calinou	was fun
11:08	Raven262	Imagine getting lost in it, while 10 players are chasing you Oo
11:13	Raven262	My fortress in factorio: http://i.imgur.com/1BUupig.png
11:13	Raven262	lisac, ^
11:13	lisac	awesome
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11:20	Megaf	Jordach, techmoan
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11:21	tenplus1	hi folks
11:21	Megaf	Hi tenplus1
11:21	Megaf	Hi Zeno`
11:21	tenplus1	hi Megaf
11:21	Zeno`	hi
11:22	tenplus1	hi zeno
11:23	Megaf	What you guys think about the new youtube design?
11:23	tenplus1	it's alright, but slow to load
11:24	tenplus1	been testing it for a few months now
11:24	Megaf	On this slow laptop I have it is actually much snapier
11:25	Megaf	even video playback is better
11:25	tenplus1	Farming Redo 1.28 released, has new chili peppers, bowl of chili, optimizations, bug fixes and 2 new lucky blocks
11:25	Zeno`	who are the two lucky blokes?
11:26	Zeno`	err sorry... misread
11:26	tenplus1	lol
11:26	Megaf	lmao
11:26	tenplus1	ethereal and bonemeal mods updated to support chili also
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11:26	tenplus1	hi fixer
11:27	Megaf	tenplus1, link for your github acount please
11:27	Raven262	hi tenplus1
11:27	lisac	hey tenplus1
11:27	tenplus1	https://github.com/tenplus1/farming
11:27	tenplus1	hi raven :P
11:27	tenplus1	hi lisac
11:27	Megaf	tenplus1, Will start making the next gen of my subgame that I run on my server, MegafXPlore2
11:27	tenplus1	ooh nice, what you adding ?
11:28	Megaf	to begin with remove minetest_game stardard mods and replacing by yours
11:29	tenplus1	lol
11:30	Megaf	tenplus1, but it will have Nether, Mesecons, Pipeworks, Areas, More Blocks, More Trees
11:30	Megaf	not sure if I add homedecor or use the light version from JP
11:32	tenplus1	xdecor is pretty good for furniture if you want lite
11:35	Fixer	hi
11:35	tenplus1	o/
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11:38	tenplus1	hi caleb
11:38	CalebDavis	hi ten
11:49	* tenplus1	makes scottish salmon primavera
11:51	Jordach	Megaf, [11:48:27] <Jordach> benrob0329, new techmoan
11:51	tenplus1	hi Jordach, what's this one about ?
11:52	Jordach	sanyo's alternative to the compact cassette
11:52	tenplus1	ahh, he does like his cassettes
12:18	nerzhul	hi Zeno`
12:19	tenplus1	hi nrz
12:24	nerzhul	hi tenplus1 :)
12:24	nerzhul	sofar, don't be too rude, your idea is quit enice, now we just need performance and port some of your code parts to core to make them more performant, but as flexible
12:24	tenplus1	Farming Redo updated, we got chili now
12:25	tenplus1	??
12:25	nerzhul	the state switch idea is very nice, i thought about it, the animation declaration too, but this animation declaration should be enhanced, you are too server side for a good usage, it should be sent to client to make him handle them without lag
12:26	tenplus1	what's this idea ???
12:28	nerzhul	my idea is to make client more intelligent, if he knows animation, you just send orders and he runs the animation properly without any network transit
12:28	Jordach	nerzhul, if you want to do that, just rewrite MT
12:28	Jordach	solves the problem entirely :^)
12:28	nerzhul	Jordach, you are not constructive and MT doesnt' need to be rewritten
12:29	Jordach	nerzhul, at this point i've given up trying to get MT to be usable for a true game engine
12:29	tenplus1	so client handles player animation locally but still sends info for entity animation from server side ?
12:29	nerzhul	tenplus1, if you enhance the API more, you can do spell API too
12:29	nerzhul	MT was never a game engine
12:29	nerzhul	tenplus1, it's the idea
12:29	Jordach	that's what the modding engine implies
12:29	nerzhul	if you want a game engine use unity or unreal engine, ti's true game engine
12:30	nerzhul	World of Warcraft has a modding engine, but it's not a game engin eit's a game
12:30	nerzhul	without the Lua part in World of Warcraft you don't have any HUD/GUI element
12:31	tenplus1	it's a specific type of game engine, limited to voxel worlds
12:31	red-001	game engine is a bit too vague to be useful sometimes
12:31	tenplus1	voxel engine :P
12:31	red-001	this is one of those cases
12:32	red-001	both minetest and unity are game engines in some sense of the word but they are very clearly diffrent
12:32	tenplus1	hi red
12:33	red-001	you could call unity a general purpose game engine and minetest a voxel game engine
12:34	Megaf	tenplus1, is your carts still better then minetest_game carts?
12:35	Megaf	and should I use moreores from tenplus1 or from Calinou ?
12:35	tenplus1	my carts are a fork of default carts with krock's boost cart features and a 10 second drop when not in use
12:36	tenplus1	the moreores on my git is a complete rewrite with toolrank support and lucky blocks added
12:36	red-001	huh AngelScript sounds like a good game scripting lang
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12:38	red-001	:( github detects angelscript files as action script
12:38	Megaf	tenplus1, there's some mods that look like yours, but they are not yours
12:39	Megaf	like https://github.com/tenplus1/inventory_plus
12:39	tenplus1	hi Darcidride
12:39	Megaf	and theres no link to the original creators
12:39	Megaf	nowhere it says is a fork
12:39	Megaf	not cool man, not cool at all
12:40	tenplus1	it links to the authors original mod with a line stating it has been EDITED by me
12:40	tenplus1	also BSD-3-Clause, Copyright Â© 2013-2014Â Brett O'Donnell
12:40	tenplus1	I take no credit for his work... only changes for newer versions of minetest to get it working
12:41	red-001	maybe put that closer to the start of the readme
12:41	Megaf	like in the description of the repo...
12:42	Megaf	btw, say hello to your neighbour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpleqACHXzU
12:43	tenplus1	k, git updated
12:43	Darcidride	Hi everyone
12:44	tenplus1	weird video... lol
12:55	Megaf	anyone here building MT for windows?
12:55	Megaf	I will need someone to build my fork for windows, please
12:56	Zeno`	good luck with that Megaf ;)
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12:59	tenplus1	hi fussel
12:59	Megaf	lol
12:59	IhrFussel	Hey there tenplus1 & others...it's extremely hot here
13:00	* tenplus1	passes fussel some ice
13:00	IhrFussel	Ok well maybe not THAT hot but it feels very hot cause the recent days were much colder
13:00	tenplus1	heh
13:01	CalebDavis	XD its getting up to at least 80 here today most likely it will get to 90
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13:01	tenplus1	wb nrz
13:01	CalebDavis	wb nrz
13:01	red-001	wb
13:02	nerzhul	ty
13:02	IhrFussel	It's 26Â°C / 79Â°F here
13:02	nerzhul	corporate network has crashed, ty network team for the core upgrade yesterday
13:03	nerzhul	17Â°C her
13:03	tenplus1	18c here
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13:03	Megaf	14C here
13:04	Megaf	Dublin, raining
13:04	tenplus1	hi thomas
13:07	Megaf	who makes the areas mods again?
13:08	tenplus1	shadowninja
13:08	tenplus1	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239
13:09	Megaf	areas is a mod that should come build in the standard game
13:10	tenplus1	I disagree
13:10	tenplus1	maybe a flag built into engine that allows a specific player to protect that mapblock
13:13	IhrFussel	Megaf, the areas mod has one HUGE flaw (I use it myself): It WILL lag your server horribly when too many players protected something...before I cleaned up the protections the profiler said 3 SECS for /find_areas, 2 SECS for any modification command
13:13	nerzhul	Megaf, yeah, and make the area calculation and storage can be in core (builtin/database), but it's not in the roadmap yes
13:13	tenplus1	that's why I switched to protector redo, it's not as slow
13:13	nerzhul	yet*
13:13	IhrFussel	So whenever a player used /protect, /add_owner, /change_owner, /set_owner or /remove_area the server lagged up to 2 secs
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13:14	tenplus1	hiruben
13:14	rubywarden	You need to enable areastore
13:14	rubywarden	As a compile thing
13:14	rubywarden	Makes the area mod very fast, as it then uses a quad tree
13:14	nerzhul	the problem with areas is the performance, generally iterations are used over all areas and it's slow
13:15	nerzhul	areastore is indexed and more optimized if i remember
13:15	rubywarden	Areas uses areastore
13:15	rubywarden	If that's the SN version
13:16	rubywarden	But unless you compile with a library, it uses a naive spatial partition
13:18	rubywarden	Area protection doesn't need any more help, imo, mods do it well enough
13:18	rubywarden	Except maybe the ability to persist an areastore, not sure if that's possible
13:19	IhrFussel	rubywarden, the areas mod uses a text file (areas.dat) ... are you sure it would improve the load times in Lua?
13:19	rubywarden	Once the game loads, yes
13:20	IhrFussel	But each modification command also rewrites the entire areas file
13:20	rubywarden	It would be good to have an efficient way to store and areastore too, to avoid the need for the mod to do it manually
13:21	rubywarden	Areastore currently solves the querying problem
13:23	IhrFussel	rubywarden, will your suggestion also improve write times? I guess not since that's what causes the high lag
13:24	IhrFussel	doing /protect for example will dump the entire areas table to the file
13:24	tenplus1	exporting/loading any file contaiining 100's of positions and names would lag the game
13:26	red-001	isn't that what databases are suppose to be good at?
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13:26	tenplus1	wb Megaf
13:27	Megaf	thanks
13:27	Megaf	phone ran out of battery
13:27	Megaf	IhrFussel, I have way more than 1000 areas in my server
13:27	Megaf	still runs smoothly
13:27	Megaf	the areas mod that is
13:27	Megaf	the server is super slow
13:27	Megaf	:P
13:30	Megaf	What's lava cooling?
13:30	tenplus1	a registered abm that turns lava into stone/obsidian near water/ice
13:31	Megaf	oh
13:31	Megaf	just the default stuff that now can be disabled then
13:31	tenplus1	I wouldnt disable too many environmental changes...
13:33	Megaf	Im not
13:33	tenplus1	:P
13:33	Shara	lavacooling is good or bad depending on what kind of server you run
13:33	Shara	I also haven't noticed any delays with areas mod commands
13:33	Calinou	my PC runs entirely on lavacooling! watercooling is so 2010
13:34	Calinou	:D
13:34	tenplus1	true... if it's a creative server then it can be disabled... but survival needs that sorta thing to obtain cobble at times
13:34	Shara	:D
13:34	tenplus1	lol
13:34	Megaf	LMAO Calinou
13:34	Shara	Hmmm.. people just dig endless pits to get cobble really, and it's waaay too ugly to build anything nice with :P
13:35	Calinou	Cobble is like COBOL: ugly, but works
13:35	Shara	:D
13:35	IhrFussel	Megaf, The IDs on my server just reached 8,000
13:35	tenplus1	oof
13:35	Shara	IhrFussel: how do you have so many?
13:35	IhrFussel	Because I allow any player to protect?
13:35	Shara	So do I
13:36	Shara	And my server is usually just as, if not busier, than yours
13:36	Shara	I bet you'll find a lot of repeat areas and spammy mistak-because-commands-not-understood areas
13:36	Megaf	IhrFussel, what's your server?
13:36	Shara	mistake*
13:36	IhrFussel	Well my server was once the #1 in the list for a long time with 30+ players
13:36	Megaf	nable_stairs_replace_abm should I enable this in a new server?
13:37	tenplus1	that isnt needed megaf
13:37	tenplus1	its an ooooooold unused abm
13:37	Shara	RC is rarely not in the top servers every day, and has about 4k areas. Difference is probably that we actively moderate to remove pointless spam areas
13:37	Megaf	man, my server doesnt even have a minetest.conf in its subgame,
13:37	Megaf	now, thats old
13:37	IhrFussel	My server is IFS but it lost its popularity in Feb
13:38	IhrFussel	Back in 2016 there was not much rivalry in the list
13:39	Shara	Hmm, there still isn''t much for creative servers
13:39	IhrFussel	Most servers were abandoned
13:39	IhrFussel	But now there are 15+ ACTIVELY DEVELOPMENT servers
13:39	tenplus1	brb
13:39	IhrFussel	DEVELOPED*
13:40	Shara	I think Just Creative, and sometimes Tiny Creative, are RC's only serious competition. Then occasionally VE and TPS creatives shoot up the list.
13:40	Megaf	[14:39:06] <IhrFussel> Most servers were abandoned
13:40	Megaf	include my server there
13:42	IhrFussel	In the recent months a lot of new severs appeared...often there are just too many active servers, the players can't even use them all
13:42	Shara	Rarey ever more than 20 with actual players
13:43	Megaf	where is Minetest installed on Linux?
13:43	Shara	Hmm, I see exactly 20 right now with more than 5 players
13:43	IhrFussel	Shara, in 2016 I only remember MAX 10 servers having 5+ players at all times ... it's different now
13:43	Shara	I don't remember it ever being that low
13:43	Megaf	whoa, 72% of swap used
13:44	IhrFussel	In Oct my DAU was 700!! 700 different accounts joined my server in one day...in Jan it was 400, Feb 200, Mar 150
13:44	Shara	RC hhas been pretty consistent throughout, slowly building players until it hit the present
13:45	IhrFussel	Players left my server because they found new, shiny ones even though I ACTIVELY work on it since May 2016
13:45	Shara	DL has been basically full to capacity since the week I opened it, hitting max players more or less every day
13:46	Shara	(but DL can only hold about 20 players, inlike many larger servers)
13:46	Shara	unlike*
13:47	Shara	But difficult for me to say much, sine I quite like your server
13:47	Shara	since*
13:47	IhrFussel	I'm not even sure what mine is capable of now since I rarely have 15+ people online now
13:48	Shara	I don't know for RC either, and it starts refusing to let players connect long before the cap is hit
13:49	IhrFussel	Happened to me too that's why it's 35 right now instead of 30
13:49	Shara	I've had it happen with as low as 17 players connected
13:49	Shara	I think lower once
13:49	Shara	And cap is 30
13:50	IhrFussel	Someone told me he couldn't connect although the list said 21/30
13:50	Shara	I know the server has handled high 20s before without too much trouble, and I upgraded since then
13:50	IhrFussel	It's possible that someone is using that script from github which blocks all other slots
13:50	Shara	Any idea what to search for in the log?
13:51	IhrFussel	One sec
13:51	Shara	I've looked at the logs a couple of times around when it happened, but saw nothing too odd
13:51	IhrFussel	It#s not in the logs...it happens completely silent
13:52	Shara	Well, that sucks then
13:54	IhrFussel	Shara, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6254
13:56	Shara	If it's invisible as you say, the claim there is no abuse of it is quite likely incorrect
13:56	Shara	I've know a lot of servers that have this issue with refused connections long vbefore cap is reached
13:56	Shara	whether it's due to this or something else... no clue
14:00	IhrFussel	Shara, http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2017-08-16#i_5045146
14:05	IhrFussel	It's been fixed shortly after BUT almost nobody uses 0.5.0-dev
14:05	Shara	Because you're not meant to use it yet :)
14:06	Shara	Glad there is a fix anyway
14:07	IhrFussel	But I think the fix is only client side (not 100% sure)
14:08	red-001	I hope 0.5 doesn't split the community
14:09	IhrFussel	So all players need to use 0.4.17 or 0.5.0 for the fix to work (if I'm right)
14:09	tenplus1	once 0.5.0 is officially released I'm gonna make sure it's the minimum needed to sign onto Xanadu
14:10	IhrFussel	tenplus1, are you serious? That will lock out almost all mobile players (unless you don't care about those)
14:10	tenplus1	I do care about those, which is why I'll be urging anyone on android/windows/linux to update to 0.5.0
14:10	IhrFussel	The clone apps won't update to 0.5.0 that fast
14:11	IhrFussel	Heck some even still use 0.4.13 engine
14:11	tenplus1	I support the official minetest and the mods written for it, not clones
14:11	CalebDavis	that might be a good thing case most of those are broken
14:11	tenplus1	plus if an older version of mt connects to a 0.5 server there's too many glitches
14:12	tenplus1	which is why we need to force an upgrade to a base version
14:12	IhrFussel	tenplus1, AFAIK <=0.4.17 won't be able to connect to a 0.5.0 server...I saw a minimum protocol version bump PR
14:15	IhrFussel	Which only makes sense...otherwise people MIGHT think the server is broken
14:15	tenplus1	the whole reason I'll be urging players to update before the changes take effect
14:16	IhrFussel	I still wonder how the 0.4.17 release will work...any PR that has the "bugfix" label will be merged into 0.4 branch?
14:17	CalebDavis	likely but only if it doesnt have to do with the new features
14:19	IhrFussel	Can you simply "copy" PRs to another branch in github?
14:20	red-001	you can cherrypick commits
14:22	tenplus1	hrm, seems SOME default chests open and refuse to close in game
14:22	IhrFussel	tenplus1, that's a known bug, it happens when the player disconnects while the chest is open
14:23	tenplus1	chcking code for fix
14:23	red-001	is 0.4.13 the oldest currently supported version?
14:24	IhrFussel	0.4.11 I think
14:25	IhrFussel	Is min version in c++ defined as 24? Then 0.4.11
14:25	tenplus1	problem with that is that the older versions cant run newer mods
14:25	tenplus1	too many changes or new functions added
14:28	IhrFussel	Yep 0.4.11
14:28	IhrFussel	minetest/src/network/networkprotocol.h:#define SERVER_PROTOCOL_VERSION_MIN 24
14:28	IhrFussel	minetest/src/network/networkprotocol.h:#define CLIENT_PROTOCOL_VERSION_MIN 25
14:29	IhrFussel	25 is 0.4.12 though so 0.4.11 clients can't connect to a 0.4.11 server but 0.4.11 servers are supported it seems
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14:29	tenplus1	hi unk
14:29	unk	hi tenplus1
14:30	CalebDavis	my mob is playing its punch animation at random times while its walking why?
14:31	tenplus1	any mods active ?
14:31	CalebDavis	i am using mobs redo
14:31	tenplus1	which mob ?
14:31	CalebDavis	i made my own but i coppied the cow code
14:32	tenplus1	if it's a custom one you made, make sure the animation frames are accurate... could be a punch frame ended up in the walk cycle
14:33	CalebDavis	the frames are correct the walck is ending on 65 and punch starts on 70
14:33	CalebDavis	walk^
14:33	tenplus1	testing cow aniamtiomn
14:34	tenplus1	cow works here ok... double check values
14:34	tenplus1	walk starts with 0 and ends with 30 btw
14:35	tenplus1	er... starts with 35 and ends with 65
14:35	tenplus1	stand is 0 to 30
14:36	Shara	IhrFussel: client side fixes for ways to abuse a server are not fixes at all
14:36	red-001	hi unk are you new since I don't remeber seeing you before?
14:37	Shara	I invited unk a while back
14:37	unk	been here a week or so
14:37	red-001	ah cool
14:37	unk	hi Shara
14:37	Shara	He has a pretty nice server :)
14:37	red-001	just wondering was it a new person or a regular that changed thier name
14:38	Shara	red-001: You are in his server channel
14:38	red-001	oh lol
14:38	unk	:)
14:38	tenplus1	lolol
14:38	red-001	I joined a lot of channels
14:38	Shara	:D
14:39	unk	I do as well...big fan of Linux and Minetest
14:39	red-001	so many I would need to pastebin my whois output not to get kicked off the network
14:41	tenplus1	brb
14:44	Megaf	I cant seem to find a sigle tree on v7 latest git master
14:44	Megaf	just bushes
14:44	Megaf	oh, finally!
14:44	Megaf	pine trees
14:47	benrob0329	Megaf: careful, they tend to be a bit sticky ðŸ˜›
14:48	tenplus1	ehe
14:48	tenplus1	hi ben
14:48	benrob0329	Hi ten
14:49	tenplus1	back laters, chores await :PPP o/
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14:49	benrob0329	Im slowly getting people off of Discord ðŸ˜ƒ
14:55	IhrFussel	Shara, I think the fix is to tell clients to send/check another packet ... one sec
14:57	Megaf	That's a good video for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqXzmiAvav0
14:58	Megaf	how do you say "chores"? Like shores or like kores?
14:58	Megaf	cores will do too
14:58	Shara	like none of them :P
14:58	IhrFussel	I don't know if clientiface.cpp is server or client side code
14:59	Megaf	Shara, like what then?
15:00	Shara	like ch- as in chat and -ores as in cores :P
15:00	Megaf	ah!
15:01	Megaf	Thanks Shara
15:02	Megaf	So, since nobody ofered to build my fork for windows here I am downloading 1.7 GB of dependinces over my 3G
15:02	Fixer	protector_redo is nice mod, but... it simply sucks to have them floating around
15:02	Megaf	actually, 208 MB that will turn into 1,7 GB after extracted
15:03	Fixer	protector blocks are ugly when flying in mid air
15:03	Fixer	logos are better in this regard
15:06	red-001	what fork?
15:06	red-001	mt fork?
15:06	* benrob0329	hands red-001 a fork
15:08	Megaf	lmao
15:08	Megaf	thanks for the laugh benrob0329
15:08	* red-001	burns the fork
15:08	Megaf	that must be a heck hot flame
15:08	red-001	Aye
15:09	benrob0329	Hmm...get some glass for the metal vapors :D
15:10	benrob0329	Bah, these waffles are too soggy
15:10	red-001	I'm sure the metal fumes are prefectly safe
15:11	benrob0329	Probably safer than some vapors people breath...
15:11	red-001	Megaf, thats some good compression
15:12	Megaf	where?
15:13	Megaf	oh
15:13	Megaf	the Debian packages
15:14	Megaf	can anyone fix the buildbot64?
15:14	Megaf	-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc
15:14	Megaf	-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc -- works
15:15	Megaf	whats that 32 bit thing there?
15:15	Megaf	-- Detecting C compile features - done
15:15	Megaf	-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++
15:15	Megaf	-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ -- works
15:15	Megaf	and there
15:15	xerox123	do you mean 86_64?
15:16	red-001	I remeber having a fixed buildbot64 script somewhere
15:16	red-001	but it was made for arch linux so I don't know would it work on your system
15:16	Megaf	mingw32
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15:18	CalebDavis	hi RobbieF
15:21	red-001	try https://transfer.sh/35WJD/toolchain_mingw64.cmake
15:21	red-001	it works for me
15:22	red-001	^ Megaf
15:23	RobbieF	Hi there CalebDavis
15:23	Megaf	Jordach, Calinou, celeron55, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9uRckJLqLk
15:24	Megaf	Watch till the end pleas
15:24	Megaf	best part at the end
15:25	* red-001	reads the title and channel name
15:25	* red-001	watches
15:33	rubywarden	Megaf, Minetest light?
15:34	rubywarden	Would be interesting how light you could get it
15:34	Megaf	rubywarden, yep, master branch only for now
15:34	Megaf	rubywarden, right now is heavier
15:34	Megaf	xP
15:34	rubywarden	Make sure you keep it in a way that you can still cherry pick, though. Don't want to get out of date
15:34	Megaf	today I just made the subgame
15:35	red-001	anyway link to the minetest fork?
15:35	red-001	huh so you are using two bnc's now rubywarden?
15:36	Megaf	red-001, https://www.github.com/Megaf/Minetest-Lite
15:36	Megaf	its just the default Minetest engine for now
15:36	rubywarden	I left my password at home
15:36	Megaf	I removed the stupid bitmap fonts tho
15:36	rubywarden	So this is my old BNC, EliteBNC
15:36	rubywarden	My new one is self hosted
15:37	rubywarden	*light
15:37	rubywarden	You should probably rename it to lite though
15:37	red-001	you set the repo to private
15:38	Megaf	me?
15:38	Megaf	I cant even do that
15:38	Megaf	red-001, Light then
15:39	red-001	so anyway how did cross compiling go?
15:39	Megaf	terrible, trying again
15:39	Megaf	1%
15:40	Megaf	Lots and lots of these
15:40	Megaf	using MutexAutoLock = std::unique_lock<std::mutex>;
15:40	Megaf	/dev/shm/MegafXploreGame/minetest/src/util/../threading/mutex_auto_lock.h:29:40: error: â€˜mutexâ€™ is not a member of â€˜stdâ€™
15:41	Megaf	let me paste the whole thing
15:41	rubywarden	You need a C++11 compiler
15:42	Megaf	there http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/src/master/Build%20bolt%20eint%20oouockin
15:42	KaadmY	Calinou: already read that yesterday :P
15:42	Megaf	rubenwardy`, what do you mean?
15:43	rubenwardy`	Your compiler isn't new enough to support the version of C++ we use, C++11
15:43	Megaf	but but but
15:43	Megaf	I have very advanced gcc, problem is mingwin
15:43	red-001	why are you compiling it yourself anyway if you haven't changed the code yet?
15:43	rubenwardy`	Huh
15:43	Megaf	I want my compiler flags
15:44	Megaf	custom
15:44	rubenwardy`	The c compiler version is 6.3.0, I swear that is new enough
15:44	Megaf	I want -Ofast -march=native
15:44	rubenwardy`	Maybe your headers are somehow out of date?
15:45	Megaf	x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ (GCC) 6.3.0 20170516
15:46	Megaf	no idea
15:46	Megaf	I can build the Linux version...
15:46	Megaf	just cant build windows version
15:54	Megaf	ok
15:54	Megaf	so, problem is Ofast
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15:55	red-001	hello Grandolf
15:57	Megaf	whats the march= for generic x64 cpu?
15:57	* red-001	Â¯_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
15:58	Megaf	I want to optimize it for this CPU i5-6200U
16:01	Calinou	Megaf: none?
16:01	Calinou	if you don't specify march, it works on all x64 CPUs (for a 64-bit binary)
16:01	Calinou	march=native is a tad faster, but only works on your exact CPU architecture
16:01	Calinou	also if you want to build for Windows from Windows, use http://www.msys2.org/
16:01	Calinou	this is way better than any other MinGW-w64 implementation
16:02	Calinou	(read: it's the only one where I was actually able to build complex software using it)
16:02	Megaf	[16:57:34] <Megaf> whats the march= for generic x64 cpu?
16:02	Megaf	[16:58:28] <Megaf> I want to optimize it for this CPU i5-6200U
16:03	Megaf	A: -march=skylake
16:03	Megaf	http://ark.intel.com/products/88193/Intel-Core-i5-6200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_80-GHz
16:03	Megaf	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/x86-Options.html
16:03	Calinou	yes, but you said "generic x64 CPU"
16:03	Calinou	"Skylake x64 CPU" is not a generic x64 CPU :)
16:04	Megaf	Calinou, your point is valid
16:05	Megaf	now reading the GCC documentation it makes me want to buy an AMD K6-2 and build Linux for it
16:05	Megaf	perhaps even Minetest
16:07	Megaf	imagine, a K6-2 CPU and this VGA https://www.amazon.com/VisionTek-Radeon-512MB-DVI-I-Graphics/dp/B005DD5BX0/?tag=aboutcom02lifewire-20
16:16	Megaf	meh, I definetly have OCD
16:16	Megaf	my bedsheets were not perfeclty alligned to the floor, that was bothering me so much
16:17	Megaf	and yesterday I went to the kicthen, wanted to take a particular bowl, could find it, so I started to walk from the kitchen to my room and back and forth
16:17	Megaf	thinking, where's the bowl, where's the bowl I like
16:17	Megaf	I want that bowl
16:17	Megaf	so the fourth of fith time I went to the kictechn, I looked better and finally found the bowl, it was immense relief
16:19	Megaf	can anyone relate?
16:24	Megaf	ok, maybe thats not OCD
16:24	Megaf	but anyway
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16:32	benrob0329	Megaf: sounds like either being a perfectionist, or having some symptoms of OCD
16:33	Megaf	what made me think about OCD what the bowl thing
16:33	Fixer	i've learned long ago that perfectionism is bad for you and your health
16:34	Fixer	especially when doing physical work
16:34	Fixer	doing "good enough" will be much faster and less problematic
16:35	benrob0329	Fixer: but its...its not perfect(
16:35	Megaf	just learned that in shell script "#" doesnt comment "\"
16:36	Fixer	benrob0329: fuck it
16:37	benrob0329	Fixer: perfectionism runs in my family, chances are high that my kids will have it
16:39	Megaf	meh, will be trying the script for the last time now
16:39	Megaf	the buildbot
16:40	Megaf	if it doesnt work now, I will say fuck it. And have a shower, then ride my bike
16:40	Megaf	and when I come back, I will overhaul it
16:40	Megaf	or just rewrite it
16:41	Megaf	there's so many things there that can be changed to make it much betta
16:43	Megaf	rubenwardy`, I only get those mutex errors if I chose to not build leveldb and gettext
16:43	Megaf	oh
16:43	Megaf	nevermind
16:43	Megaf	got the errors at 20% now
16:44	Megaf	cya
17:02	Calinou	<Fixer> i've learned long ago that perfectionism is bad for you and your health
17:02	Calinou	<Fixer> especially when doing physical work
17:02	Calinou	<Fixer> doing "good enough" will be much faster and less problematic
17:02	Calinou	this is why I like PHP and JavaScript
17:02	Calinou	</troll>
17:02	Calinou	:D
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17:29	IhrFussel	Seems like you don't get "another player is connected as you" messages anymore when you lose the connection and re-connect in less than 30 secs
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17:52	Calinou	gotta love joining a server, and seeing "Another user is already using that username." or "Invalid password."
17:52	Calinou	:^)
17:52	Calinou	this has happened to me 4-5 times at least
17:52	Calinou	because someone was impersonating me
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18:02	IhrFussel	Someone with an iPad client just said "Why when i hit blocks it say Air you hacker you" on my server
18:02	IhrFussel	"Where it says FPS when i distroy blocks it says Air you hacker you"
18:03	IhrFussel	That phrase actually DOES exist...it#s the description of the air node you usually can't get
18:04	Fixer	All you base are belong to us
18:04	paramat	the client made air pointable?
18:05	paramat	so you see the description in 'pointing at' in debug info
18:05	paramat	hacked client maybe
18:07	Fixer	so they can construct stuff in midair?
18:07	IhrFussel	"No when i dig a block on the top left corner it says that"
18:07	Fixer	tired of that shit
18:08	Fixer	say to him to use fucking official client
18:08	Fixer	or post a bug to original crapfork maker
18:08	Fixer	or whatever
18:09	IhrFussel	He says it only appears when he removes a block/node
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18:09	IhrFussel	Then make one on iOS finally which you will never do
18:10	Fixer	can mobile users #pcmasterrace
18:10	Fixer	ban*
18:10	Calinou	IhrFussel: yeah, it's been the Air description since always
18:10	Calinou	also with the Ignore node
18:11	Fixer	you can also work with air in WE
18:12	IhrFussel	Seems like his client for some reason shows that when the game replaces a block with air
18:13	IhrFussel	I mean the game does replace dug nodes with air correct?
18:14	paramat	correct
18:15	IhrFussel	paramat, if a hacked client actually manages to place air nodes locally...will the server just ignore it?
18:15	paramat	0.5 is a good way to encourage mobile users to use the official MT app, since the forks may be slow at updating
18:16	paramat	so i encourage servers to update to 0.5 as soon as possible, and maybe tell players about the official app
18:16	IhrFussel	You can't reach iOS users
18:17	paramat	not sure about server ignoring air being placed
18:17	IhrFussel	There are FAR MORE iOS users on the server than I first thought because iOS is EXPENSIVE as heck...but seems like parents rather buy their kids an iPad instead of a cheap Android tablet
18:17	paramat	i don't care about non-official app users, so many are trouble
18:19	paramat	but this is open source so it's more difficult to control
18:21	IhrFussel	I personally think any player should be able to play on my server as long as their client is compatible...since iOS users have NO choice because the stupid license forbids releasing MT on the apple store
18:22	IhrFussel	And almost all clone clients on iOS either feature a paywall or limited controls
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18:24	IhrFussel	Some apps even drop the DROP button so players HAVE TO move their stuff to chests in ordner to get rid of them
18:24	IhrFussel	order*
18:26	IhrFussel	I give players fly BUT they can't use it...their app requires them to pay for the usage of a priv the SERVER OWNER gave the player
18:26	IhrFussel	Ridiculous
18:26	paramat	yeah
18:27	IhrFussel	The app devs ABUSE our servers for their income
18:27	IhrFussel	That should be illegal
18:28	bigfoot547	That's stuuuupid lpol
18:28	bigfoot547	lol*
18:28	paramat	i'm amazed at the bravery and tolerance of public server owners, for me it seems open source multiplayer games will tend to force you to have a private whitelisted server
18:29	IhrFussel	Is it maybe possible to simulate fly with physics?
18:30	IhrFussel	I REALLY want the iOS users to have equal rights on my server
18:30	benrob0329	I really want iOS to die
18:30	IhrFussel	That's a bit unrealistic so I choose the next option xP
18:30	paramat	erm, a mod like ufo mod that attaches the player to an invisible vehicle?
18:31	benrob0329	"Oh sorry, interact is for GOLD members only"
18:31	IhrFussel	benrob0329, "THANKFULLY" it's "only" fly that's restircted (AFAIK)
18:32	Krock	<ServerModerator> You must pay $2 to get interact. Please see /buytogetinteract
18:32	benrob0329	IhrFussel: that's a sad sentence
18:32	paramat	personally i don't like to join public servers, i play games to get away from annoying people :D
18:32	bigfoot547	lol
18:32	bigfoot547	paramat, +1
18:33	Krock	with this you implied that public server players are annoying, which I can't agree
18:33	Krock	surely, there are a few mobile players that act just weird - but they seem to have fun :)
18:34	IhrFussel	paramat, so you can make a vehicle invisible? visual_size = {x=0,y=0} ?
18:34	benrob0329	Krock: hop on Hometown
18:34	benrob0329	You'll find that its...infuriatingly full of bad RP
18:34	Krock	IhrFussel, object:remove() works best ;)
18:35	benrob0329	I have nothing against RP, but it needs to be proper RP, not half assed cringy house RP
18:35	bigfoot547	lol
18:36	Krock	they must learn how to RP xD
18:37	benrob0329	We should publish Minetest on LBRY
18:37	IhrFussel	benrob0329, that's why I introduced chat channels on my server...talking about the wrong topic in the wrong channel will be punished...this way dating, roleplay etc is separated from the main channel where players talk things mainly related to the game/server
18:37	Krock	actually roleplaying would have a large potential for mods.
18:38	benrob0329	Game servers are for playing, not compensating for your lack of a love life ;-)
18:39	IhrFussel	Dating is standard in games and I'm generally not against it...but it can get annoying when they spam the chat with "oh i love you so much" "noo i love you more!!"
18:40	IhrFussel	So I created the "love" channel...they can talk as lovey dovey as they want in there
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18:41	IhrFussel	Can I check in a globalstep whether the player is jumping or sneaking?
18:41	sofar	of course
18:42	paramat	nah i didn't imply that, but a public server means you will sometimes suffer due to annoying players, on a private server with trusted people the chance of that is much lower
18:42	IhrFussel	That might be enough for a "fly simulation" already
18:43	paramat	yes vehicles can be invisible
18:45	IhrFussel	I have no clue about vehicles though...I don't understand how you attach a player to one, how to detach, how to move the vehicle
18:46	sofar	steal code from a mod that works
18:46	sofar	it's open source anyway
18:46	sofar	just credit the original code and make sure the licenses were followed
18:47	cx384	the most mods use WTFPL so maybe you don't have to
18:47	sofar	you always have to check
18:48	bigfoot547	I use MIT or LGPL v2.1+ :P
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18:51	tenplus1	hi folks
18:51	shivajiva	Hi ten o/
18:51	unk	ha tenplus1
18:51	cx384	hi tenplus1 o/
18:51	unk	hi
18:51	tenplus1	hi unk, cx384
18:51	cx384	https://iwsmt-content-ok2nbdvvyp8jbrhdp.stackpathdns.com/11820131028127.jpg
18:52	tenplus1	dunno why but am watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRHOqIVa27o
18:52	tenplus1	lol, you mean 255, starts at 0
18:52	tenplus1	:P
18:53	bigfoot547	hey tenplus1
18:54	bigfoot547	I get to say that now lol
18:54	tenplus1	hi bigfoot
18:54	tenplus1	:PP
18:54	bigfoot547	because I have a znc and I on't quit/join again lol
18:54	tenplus1	lol
19:18	nerzhul	0.5 should not be used in production until release
19:18	tenplus1	:P
19:19	benrob0329	nerzhul: you mean I have to wait for the new features?
19:20	benrob0329	I...I just don't think I can do that
19:20	tenplus1	release is in december right ?
19:20	rubenwardy	well, it can be used in production but only those with dev versions can connect
19:20	nerzhul	tenplus1, no real plan, it's just an estimation
19:20	rubenwardy	and you may be stuck on 0.5
19:20	nerzhul	it can bve used in production, but no user can connect to server if they don't use the dev version :p
19:20	nerzhul	yes, stuck due to mapblock format
19:20	rubenwardy	hmmm
19:21	tenplus1	will wait for 0.5.0 to be released before switching everything over
19:21	rubenwardy	it may be worth anticipating a sorter release after 0.5.0
19:21	rubenwardy	as it will have had less testing
19:21	rubenwardy	*shorter
19:28	rdococ	...
19:28	rdococ	hi
19:28	rdococ	again
19:28	tenplus1	wb rdococ
19:28	* rdococ	feels sad
19:28	tenplus1	how come ?
19:29	* rdococ	hugs tenplus1
19:29	tenplus1	had a bad day ?
19:29	rdococ	meh...
19:32	* tenplus1	gives rdococ fresh bowl of chili from farming redo
19:35	* rdococ	eats all of the chilli and then breathes fire
19:35	tenplus1	lol
19:35	rdococ	lol
19:35	tenplus1	I need to draw better textures tho, looks kinda crappy
19:37	rdococ	hm
19:37	rdococ	it'd be nice to be able to find out which biome you're in
19:37	rdococ	some kind of minetest.get_biome(position)
19:37	tenplus1	yeah, we do need that command
19:38	* rdococ	takes a look at lua_api.txt
19:39	rdococ	hm
19:39	rdococ	there seem to be mapgen object
19:39	rdococ	s
19:44	tenplus1	if a player times out does it call minetest.register_on_leaveplayer()
19:44	rubenwardy	if it doesn't, that's a bug
19:44	rubenwardy	the only time leaveplayer isn't called is on shutdown
19:45	tenplus1	am trying to fix the open chest glitch with an on_leavplayer call but it wont run if client crashes/disconnects suddenly
19:48	rubenwardy	is that singleplayer?
19:48	tenplus1	server... it called just then... so it's intermittant
19:51	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1884
19:53	rdococ	lol
19:53	rdococ	http://nonadventures.com/2013/08/03/hakuna-dentata/
19:53	tenplus1	just means if a player leaves while inside a chest then the next player to open.close will fix it :)
19:54	tenplus1	lol rdococ
19:54	rdococ	lol
19:54	rubenwardy	"* has left the game" uses on_leaveplayer
19:55	rubenwardy	so it's probably a mod issue
19:55	tenplus1	working ok now ruben
19:55	tenplus1	also little tweak in code
19:56	rdococ	my status effect mod works, but the list of effects you have is glitchy
19:56	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/misc.lua#L53
19:59	rdococ	yey
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20:00	* rdococ	hugs tenplus1
20:00	rubenwardy	tenplus1, does that close the chest too?
20:00	rubenwardy	looks like it just forgets that it's open
20:00	tenplus1	no, it just fixes it so that others CAN close the chest
20:00	tenplus1	I could add the loop check to the leaveplayer function but that's overkill when a simple click does it already
20:00	rdococ	I opened my chest once, it was painful
20:00	rubenwardy	I see
20:01	rubenwardy	I guess you'd need to iterate through, maybe, to take into account that multiple people using a chest is possible
20:01	tenplus1	also moved a getnode after the loop so it doesnt perform it every time a player exist chest
20:01	rdococ	yey
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20:02	tenplus1	wb fussel
20:02	IhrFussel	What's the default gravity value? Isn't it 9.8?
20:02	tenplus1	9.81
20:02	rubenwardy	the default modifier is 1, IhrFussel
20:02	rubenwardy	it's a multiplier
20:02	rubenwardy	actually, I should probably check that
20:02	IhrFussel	Ohh...makes sense cause I fall like a stone right now xP
20:03	IhrFussel	getp:set_physics_override({gravity = 9.8})
20:03	tenplus1	lol
20:03	rubenwardy	rtfd :)
20:03	rubenwardy	gravity`: multiplier to default gravity value (default: `1`)
20:03	rubenwardy	lua_api sucks though
20:03	rubenwardy	https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/player_physics.html#possible-overrides
20:04	tenplus1	0.5 for lighter gravity and 1.5 for heavier right ?
20:04	rubenwardy	yeah
20:04	rubenwardy	-1 for negative
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20:05	rdococ	gravity = 9.8 sounds very heavy
20:05	IhrFussel	Unfortunately 0 doesn't allow jumping it seems so making "fly behavior" is somewhat complicated
20:06	tenplus1	there's an issue I found as well... if you set the group disable_jump in a water node you can still float upwards...
20:07	tenplus1	I wanted to make quicksand harder to escape in ethereal but it doesnt work :(
20:08	rdococ	I remember creating a wings mod which updated your gravity attribute on the fly to change your velocity
20:08	paramat	get heat / humidity / biome at pos is coming (my job)
20:09	rdococ	oh, yay!
20:09	IhrFussel	rdococ, oh so velocity is what I need? Not gravity? To simulate fly?
20:09	rdococ	IhrFussel: idk, depends how you want the flying to work
20:09	IhrFussel	Well it should resemble the builtin fly as much as possible
20:09	tenplus1	you could attach player to an entity and literally FLY that... that's how I do flying mob riding :D
20:10	rdococ	oh, that's easy
20:10	rdococ	it's called the fly priv
20:10	paramat	the physics override is a multiplier for the default (9.81), so 1 is normal gravity
20:10	IhrFussel	rdococ, for mobile players
20:10	rdococ	IhrFussel: ah
20:11	rdococ	apple sucks, man
20:11	IhrFussel	I already have it working right now...I detect if the player is jumping or sneaking or none and set the physics accordingly...but maybe there is another way (without using an entity)
20:11	paramat	'disable jump' is not 'disable swim' :]
20:11	tenplus1	true, but if I use it on a water node I wanna disable swim
20:11	tenplus1	hint :P
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20:13	red-001	I wonder what linuxdirk's deal is
20:14	tenplus1	wb Megaf
20:15	tenplus1	how do you mean red ?
20:15	rdococ	eh, quicksand is easy
20:15	rdococ	just make it walkthrough :P
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20:15	tenplus1	I could do, but then you fall through it all tothe bottom instead of sinking slowly
20:15	tenplus1	hi behalebabo
20:16	behalebabo	hello
20:16	tenplus1	o/
20:17	red-001	tenplus1, armchair development
20:17	tenplus1	oh
20:17	* tenplus1	wonders what kinda server switchboard and hometown have that they can put player limit up to 99
20:17	red-001	and not of the good type that results in better and cheaper armchairs
20:19	tenplus1	lol
20:21	IhrFussel	tenplus1, I doubt that ANY affordable machine can handle 99 players with ONE CORE
20:21	tenplus1	without major lag ?
20:22	IhrFussel	The CPU usage would be extreme I guess ... so lag and slow server overall
20:22	tenplus1	that's why we set limit to 35... anymore and it would be unplayable
20:23	IhrFussel	I set mine to 35 cause players complained about not being able to join (it was 21/30 at the time)
20:23	tenplus1	hrm, join issues
20:23	Fixer	IhrFussel: you don't need to
20:23	Fixer	IhrFussel: even MC can't handle that much players
20:23	tenplus1	really ?
20:24	IhrFussel	Is MC single core too?
20:24	tenplus1	if we could multicore a server then things would run a LOT smoother
20:24	rubenwardy	I have a friend that is developing a massively parallel server for Minecraft
20:25	tenplus1	ooh
20:25	rdococ	woof
20:25	rubenwardy	he can world edit an area of 1000x1000x1000 in like 0.3 seconds
20:25	rdococ	tell him to develop it for minetest instead
20:25	rubenwardy	no chance
20:26	rdococ	tell him to suck it then :P
20:26	rubenwardy	he got a free mac book from doing Minecraft modding
20:26	Fixer	hip!
20:26	Fixer	ster!
20:26	rdococ	ew, apple
20:26	rubenwardy	rdococ, just under Â£3000
20:26	Calinou	how?
20:26	Calinou	donations?
20:26	rubenwardy	there's a multi million pound company called CubeCraft which he freelanced for
20:29	rubenwardy	https://www.johnlewis.com/2017-apple-macbook-pro-15-touch-bar-intel-core-i7-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-radeon-pro-555/p3001993?sku=236541282&s_kwcid=2dx92700024311620663&tmad=c&tmcampid=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjw557NBRC9ARIsAHJvVVOzBDDBy6vicmhuYK_qXXjgjjfh1FiJsTwxsPEtboTVlraRkX9NkzAaAgUOEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
20:29	rdococ	oh god
20:29	rdococ	the evil apple radiation
20:29	rdococ	it's killing me
20:29	tenplus1	shudder.... so not worth it...
20:29	* rdococ	dies
20:29	rubenwardy	I was tempted to get one
20:29	rubenwardy	when I thought it was < Â£2k
20:29	tenplus1	would rather get a decent oc laptop for 500
20:30	rubenwardy	glad that's over though, decided Mac OS annoys me too much
20:31	tenplus1	ehehe.... nite folks o/
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20:31	Fixer	lel, laptop for 3000
20:31	* rdococ	hugs Fixer
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20:33	Calinou	my Windows laptop works well, I've had it for 7 months now
20:33	Fixer	people here buy craptops for 400 usd
20:33	Calinou	this, http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/yoga/yoga-900-series/Lenovo-Yoga-910-13IKB/p/88YG9000786
20:33	Fixer	not even for 700usd
20:33	Calinou	at this point I'm not really sure why one would go for a MacBook Pro
20:33	Calinou	but that's just me :P
20:33	rubenwardy	iOS
20:34	Fixer	nah
20:34	rubenwardy	then again, I'd only do iOS if I'd thought I could sell something
20:34	IhrFussel	"walking speed" is also the speed mid air right?
20:35	Calinou	hehâ€¦ in the US, the model I bought, but with a 1 TB SSD, is at $1,500
20:35	rdococ	depends on if you have fast priv
20:35	Calinou	in France, I bought mine, with similar specs but only a 512 GB SSD, at â‚¬1,560
20:35	Calinou	:\|
20:35	Calinou	IhrFussel: yes, these are the same speeds
20:35	Calinou	(it isn't possible to set them differently, currently)
20:35	Megaf	Jordach, you gonna love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPA6nIBs5g
20:35	Calinou	you can make the air friction different to the ground one (by default, you have 30% less friction in air)
20:35	rdococ	if you have the fast priv, activating fly activates fast automatically
20:35	Fixer	IhrFussel: very probably yes
20:35	Calinou	rdococ: yeah, if fast mode is enabled
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20:36	IhrFussel	No I want it so players with my fly sim enabled also "fly" faster so I can simply add a speed value to the gravity one?
20:43	IhrFussel	Can I make a player STOP when they press neither jump nor sneak?
20:43	* rdococ	hugs IhrFussel
20:43	rdococ	idk
20:44	IhrFussel	That's pretty much the final thing I need...players stopping mid air when they press no keys
20:44	rdococ	at this point you might as well attach them to an entity
20:45	nerzhul	modders, mod channel PR is nearly finished
20:45	nerzhul	there is now mod channel communication between preview CSM mod and experimental SSM minimal mod :)
20:45	IhrFussel	No I don't want to use an attachment for that
20:46	rdococ	lol
20:49	CalebDavis	cool now we need to make it so that you can enable/disable CSM's via the menu
20:50	CalebDavis	and ik that some servers have banned CSMs so maybe we could make a world setting that prevents all csms from loading
20:51	CalebDavis	or only allows ceartian ones to load
20:52	nerzhul	you can already do this but it's in the advanced menu
20:52	nerzhul	the PR is not merged yet, but needs a review
20:53	CalebDavis	ok
20:53	nerzhul	rubenwardy, if you get time to review #6351
20:53	nerzhul	815L of code :p
20:53	nerzhul	and unittests (partially)
20:56	* rdococ	works on his status effects mod
20:57	rdococ	it lists the effects you have in the order of registration atm
20:57	rdococ	also, I have yet to make the list look cool and stuff.
21:01	Megaf	2017-08-31 21:59:11: ERROR[Main]: mod "mobs_animal" has unsatisfied dependencies: "mobs"
21:01	Megaf	2017-08-31 21:59:11: ERROR[Main]: mod "mobs_npc" has unsatisfied dependencies: "mobs"
21:01	Megaf	help?
21:01	nerzhul	read the message ?
21:02	Megaf	I dont know which mod is that
21:02	Megaf	its not in hos repos
21:03	CalebDavis	mobs redo
21:04	CalebDavis	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9917
21:05	Megaf	but I installed those two mods independently precisely because I dont want mobs redo
21:06	Megaf	ok
21:06	CalebDavis	its the api it has no mods on its own
21:07	Megaf	2017-08-31 22:07:02: WARNING[Main]: technic_armor: Mod loaded but unused.
21:07	Megaf	2017-08-31 22:07:02: WARNING[Main]: hazmat_suit: Mod loaded but unused.
21:07	Megaf	2017-08-31 22:07:02: WARNING[Main]: 3d_armor_ui: Mod loaded but unused.
21:07	Megaf	2017-08-31 22:07:02: WARNING[Main]: 3d_armor_ip: Mod loaded but unused.
21:07	Megaf	and how do I fix that ^?
21:07	IhrFussel	Megaf, you NEED the mobs.api file at least from the mobs mod...it handles all the actions
21:07	IhrFussel	api.lua*
21:07	Megaf	I said ok, it's installed already
21:07	CalebDavis	disable those mods
21:08	CalebDavis	those are part of the 3d armor modpack
21:08	Megaf	see no mobs yet, still looking
21:11	Megaf	sheeeeep!
21:11	benrob0329	Baaah
21:12	benrob0329	That old sheep model though... shudder
21:12	Megaf	OMG a horse!!!
21:12	Megaf	and a pumba!!!!!!!!!
21:13	Megaf	and to I tame a horse?
21:15	Megaf	arrows still not hitting mobs...
21:15	calcul0n	feed it with wheat
21:17	Megaf	hah, finally
21:17	Megaf	look at my horse
21:18	Megaf	my horse is amazing
21:18	Megaf	look at my horse
21:20	Calinou	my little horse, my little horse, oooooohhhhh~
21:22	Megaf	"Your account has been deactivated
21:22	Megaf	To reactivate your account, log in using your old login email and password. You will be able to use the site like you used to.
21:22	Megaf	We hope you come back soon."
21:22	Megaf	cya, so long Facebook
21:22	Megaf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rpmctmC_M
21:23	Megaf	Look at my horse!
21:23	Megaf	look at my horse, I will take you around the universe! ^
21:24	Megaf	Im LMAOing so much here
21:24	Calinou	you made Facebook lose 0,000000049850448654% of its userbase :'(
21:24	rdococ	huggs
21:24	rdococ	Calinou: dammit, we have so far to go :P
21:24	Calinou	https://www.statista.com/statistics/264810/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide/
21:25	Megaf	Calinou, actually I removed 3 acounts from Facebook!
21:25	Calinou	currently, Facebook has a bit over 2 billion accounts
21:25	Megaf	I know right
21:25	Calinou	hmm, apparently it counts only monthly active users
21:25	Megaf	Narwals narwals! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc&index=3&list=RDO3rpmctmC_M
21:26	rdococ	hm
21:27	rdococ	Poll: where do you think the list of status effects should be?
21:52	* rdococ	hugs Megaf
21:52	rdococ	I'm sorry, okay?! I just feel alone.
22:06	rdococ	can I use minetest color escape sequences to colorize parts of text in a text hud element?
22:06	rdococ	it doesn't seem to work
22:07	rubenwardy	number
22:07	rubenwardy	I think
22:09	rdococ	but I want to colorize parts
22:09	rdococ	not all of it
22:10	rubenwardy	ah
22:12	sofar	149 mods in minetest-mods, still growing new mods every month!
22:12	rubenwardy	nice!
22:12	sofar	I'm going to start allowing clones or forks of pilzadam's mods that are widely used
22:13	sofar	since he ded (in a minetest sense)
22:13	rubenwardy	has he been seen at all?
22:13	sofar	don't think so
22:13	sofar	!seen pilzadam
22:13	ShadowBot	sofar: I haven't seen pilzadam in #minetest-hub.
22:13	rubenwardy	ShadowBot sucks
22:14	sofar	over a year ago now
22:14	sofar	on itc
22:14	sofar	irc*
22:15	red-001	-NickServ- Last seen : (about 3 weeks ago)
22:15	red-001	!seen #minetest-dev Pilzadam
22:15	ShadowBot	red-001: I haven't seen Pilzadam in #minetest-dev.
22:15	red-001	!seen #minetest Pilzadam
22:15	ShadowBot	red-001: I haven't seen Pilzadam in #minetest.
22:15	red-001	!seen #minetest pilzadam
22:15	ShadowBot	red-001: I haven't seen pilzadam in #minetest.
22:16	bigfoot547	!seen #minetest-hub pilzadam
22:16	ShadowBot	bigfoot547: I haven't seen pilzadam in #minetest-hub.
22:16	Natechip	meep
22:16	red-001	!seen Minetestbot
22:16	ShadowBot	red-001: I haven't seen Minetestbot in #minetest-hub.
22:16	red-001	!seen #minetest Minetestbot
22:16	sofar	so, he goes on irc but doesn't log into any minetest channels
22:16	ShadowBot	red-001: I haven't seen Minetestbot in #minetest.
22:16	Natechip	anyone know what version of itemframes doesnt let you duplicate with mesecons?
22:17	red-001	I think minetest bot records people saying something not just joining right?
22:17	rdococ	seriously?
22:17	rdococ	color codes don't work in custom hud elements?
22:17	bigfoot547	Nope
22:18	rdococ	that's dumb
22:18	Natechip	wat
22:18	red-001	?
22:18	rdococ	red-001++
22:18	red-001	I must say I don't know much about the hud
22:18	rdococ	red-001-- // :P
22:18	Natechip	Works for me
22:19	red-001	http://brightstar.no-ip.org/unicode.php
22:20	rdococ	î¯˜...whatever that is
22:20	red-001	è³ to you too
22:20	red-001	or î‚š
22:21	red-001	rdá´‘cá´‘c
22:21	red-001	too bad I can't use unicode in nicks
22:22	rubenwardy	nolsen is in #freenode
22:22	rubenwardy	not that uncommon to leave minetest but still go on IRC :D
22:23	rdococ	ew
22:23	rdococ	who'd leave minetest
22:24	sfan5	red-001: minetest records a person as seen as soon as they join
22:24	red-001	ah ok
22:24	red-001	I must have been thinking of shadowbot
22:24	sfan5	could've looked into the code you know
22:25	sofar	hehe
22:26	red-001	well making baseless claims is easier
22:26	red-001	but that's a good point
22:27	sofar	red-001 is satans' child!
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22:40	rdococ	red-001's dad is satan?!
22:43		Fixer joined #minetest-hub
22:45	sofar	who says satan is a man?
22:46	bigfoot547	huh?
22:46	bigfoot547	satan is a spirit
22:47	rdococ	red-001's mother is satan?!
22:47	rdococ	red-001's parents are BOTH satan?!
22:48	benrob0329	ðŸ¤” emerge is taking a while to resolve dependancies
22:48	rubenwardy	emerge?
22:48	benrob0329	granted I did just tell it to upgrade everything and it's brother
22:48	benrob0329	Gentoo package manager
22:48	rubenwardy	ah, cool
22:49	benrob0329	and since Gentoo is a source based distro...yeah
22:49	sofar	pacman -Syu
22:49	sofar	swupd update
22:49	sofar	yum upgrade
22:49	sofar	lunar update
22:49	sofar	zipper ... ehh.. I forgot :)
22:49	benrob0329	emerge --upgrade --deep @world
22:51	rdococ	emerge --from bed \| minetest
22:51	benrob0329	it also uses BSD style package names (category/package) so no naming wierdness ðŸ˜›
22:52	Calinou	I did a Xonotic defrag server record :D
22:53	rdococ	yey
22:53	Calinou	the video isn't uploaded yet, but it's a pretty weird (and impressive) run IMO
22:53	Calinou	you'll see :)
22:53	Calinou	https://lut.im/sDztLFetQL/i2GPufpFAjab5meq.png
22:53	Raven262	Calinou, again?!
22:53	Calinou	I finished the map 4 times, out ofâ€¦ 747 attempts (note that you can remove ~200 which are just suicides because I spawned in the wrong direction)
22:53	Calinou	it took me an entire hour :P
22:53	Calinou	doing nothing but tryharding
22:54	Calinou	I was really sweaty at the end
22:54	Calinou	Raven262: yeah
22:54	Raven262	Some people just can't give up...
22:55	Raven262	I should try xonotic racing, warsow one didn't go quite well for me :P
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23:08	rdococ	wtf
23:08	rdococ	I'm using player:hud_change("effects:effects", "text", list)
23:08	rdococ	list is a string, with newlines
23:09	rdococ	but when I enable damage, it does weird things
23:09	rdococ	rather than setting the text of the effects list, it tries to set the image of the health bar
23:09	rdococ	to list
23:09	rdococ	or, rather, list's value.
23:11	rubenwardy	hud uses ids
23:11	rubenwardy	not strings
23:12	rubenwardy	local id = player:hud_add(...)
23:12	rdococ	ohh
23:12	rubenwardy	player:hud_change(id, ...)
23:12	rubenwardy	see hudkit if you want strings
23:12	rdococ	what is the id, then?
23:12	rubenwardy	rdococ, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=10868
23:12	rdococ	can I serialize the hud id?
23:12	rubenwardy	rdococ, it's an integer that auto-increments, I believe
23:12	rubenwardy	yes
23:12	rubenwardy	but not sure why you would
23:13	rubenwardy	as it is dynamic
23:13	rdococ	dynamic?
23:13	rubenwardy	doesn't save over server restarts
23:13	rubenwardy	ie: the same element could get a different id, as new hud_add call
23:13	rdococ	should I just store it in a table then?
23:13	rdococ	effect_guis[playername]?
23:13	rubenwardy	yeah
23:13	rubenwardy	that's a common idiom
23:14	rdococ	if a player leaves and rejoins, they'd ofc get a new id
23:14	rdococ	well
23:14	rubenwardy	I personally hate the hud API, so I use HudKit
23:14	rubenwardy	it's pretty light
23:18	rubenwardy	rdococ, https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/ctf_events/init.lua#L42-L56
23:35	Calinou	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkeJ9EDZrs
23:35	Calinou	Raven262: here's the video ^
23:36	Calinou	it works very differently in Xonotic, compared to Warsow or Quake 3 defrag
23:36	Calinou	because air stepping is allowed even if you're moving upwards
23:36	Calinou	(in these games, the map is much longer to complete)
23:37	benrob0329	updates kernel
23:37	benrob0329	things seem...different somehow
23:38	Calinou	did they remove Herobrine from the kernel?
23:39	benrob0329	Calinou: don't you mean Tux? There is a reason he's the mascot...

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