Time Nick Message 01:06 red-001 ping 01:06 bigfoot547 pong 01:07 benrob0329 poong 01:08 rubenwardy anyone have any proposals for the dev meeting tomorrow? 01:08 bigfoot547 Ohh 01:08 bigfoot547 Secret pillow-fort meeting? 01:10 benrob0329 Nono, blanket fort 01:10 bigfoot547 Okay 01:10 bigfoot547 I see 01:11 bigfoot547 benrob0329: You areen't a core dev are you? 01:11 benrob0329 heh, no 01:11 bigfoot547 Okay 01:11 benrob0329 just a mod :-) 01:11 bigfoot547 Just thought I was losing my barbles 01:12 benrob0329 Yeah..i kinda suck at coding, so being a core dev would be somewhat difficul 01:12 benrob0329 t 01:22 rubenwardy I apologise for the Github spam 01:22 rubenwardy I'm going up PRs oldest first and trying to salvage them 07:20 tenplus1 hi folks 07:42 tenplus1 hi nrz 07:43 nerzhul hi tenplus1 07:43 tenplus1 o/ 07:46 tenplus1 nrz, is anyone else having issues with entities getting stuck inside solid objects ? 07:54 rdococ sounds painful 07:54 tenplus1 hi rdococ, and yeah it can be 07:55 tenplus1 something to do with stepheight causing entities to float into walls when they shouldnt... it's a glitch I cant seem to escape unless I made node height 2 high 07:56 rdococ O_o 07:58 tenplus1 same with tnt explosions, it pushes dropped items inside solid nodes when collision detection should stop it happening 08:00 nerzhul tenplus1, i come back from holidays, did some work in my house and now i'm going to leave then i don't know ^^ 08:00 tenplus1 sounds like you've been busy nrz :0 08:01 nerzhul ofc 08:05 rdococ I've been busy floating into walls. 08:05 tenplus1 no clip player :PP ehe 08:19 tenplus1 hi paramat 08:25 rdococ hi 08:36 tenplus1 hi Hijiri 08:36 Hijiri hi 08:36 Hijiri is anyone manning the forum abuse reports queue 08:37 tenplus1 couldn't say... what's been happening / 08:37 Hijiri it's in the report 08:51 rdococ Ugh, this is ridiculous. 08:51 rdococ I hate how people moan over specific combinations of letters and sounds. 08:51 rdococ It's literal madness. 08:51 tenplus1 ??? 08:52 rdococ Especially if those letters and sounds do not convey a specific meaning towards a specific person or group of people. 08:52 rdococ tenplus1: I'm talking about "swear" words. 08:53 tenplus1 ahh 08:53 rdococ There are so many words that, in the UK, people overreact to, but in the US are fine. It makes me want to beat the crap out of the English language. 08:53 tenplus1 so many changes in the language depending on location, it's unreal 08:54 rdococ Har har har. 08:55 rdococ Languages can be different in different locations - I'm fine with that. 08:55 tenplus1 I mean subsets of the same language 08:55 rdococ ...that's what I meant, too. -____________- 08:55 tenplus1 lol 08:56 rdococ It only matters when it affects people's lives - for example when a video game contains a ""swear"" that's only considered rude in the UK - now a kid in the UK who really wants that game can't because he's not """""old""""" enough, but a kid in the US can. 08:56 rdococ It's bad enough that we're discriminating against kids, can't we at least do it indiscriminately, as self-contradictory as that sounds? 08:56 tenplus1 I hear 10 year olds using language only an adult should be hearing here in UK 08:57 rdococ I hear adults scolding me for using the word "damn". 08:57 tenplus1 damn! 08:57 tenplus1 :P 09:00 rubenwardy There was a kid on my server that used to "shout" at people for saying damn 09:00 rubenwardy I believe I kicked him once or twice 09:00 tenplus1 hi ruben 09:00 rdococ On RD-C, swearing is allowed as long as it isn't directed towards anybody. 09:00 rubenwardy Coincidentally, this was halt 09:00 rdococ (Even then, under some exceptional circumstances... :P) 09:11 Calinou hi 09:11 tenplus1 hi Cal 09:11 Calinou the Godot Patreon campaign is now up, by the way: https://www.patreon.com/godotengine 09:36 rubenwardy Have they fixed tile set creation yet, calinou? 09:36 rubenwardy Last time I checked I had to manually import and crop individual images from an image sprite set 09:36 rubenwardy Which was an absolute pita 09:38 Calinou rubenwardy: I don't think so, unfortunately 09:38 Calinou TileMaps/GridMaps need a lot of work still (performance, better editing tools, animated tiles…) 09:38 rubenwardy :( 09:39 shivajiva rdococ I'm pretty sure America beat the crap out of the English language to get where they currently are =) 09:39 tenplus1 hi shiva 09:39 shivajiva Hi ten, ruben, Cal o/ 09:39 rubenwardy Well, I could care less about American English 09:39 Calinou hi shivajiva 09:39 * rubenwardy shivers in disgust 09:39 Calinou rubenwardy: I'm still wearing my favourite grey armour! 09:40 rubenwardy Hi shiva 09:40 tenplus1 Calinou: do you know anything about entities glitching into solid nodes ??? 09:41 Calinou nope… I think I've seen it a few times 09:41 Calinou but I don't know why it happens 09:41 Calinou does it happen in singleplayer as well? 09:41 tenplus1 am watching it happen and it's pissing me off no end 09:41 Calinou (or on a server started from a client) 09:42 tenplus1 I have a single sheep inside a pen, it hits fence and all is well, it turns around and somehow it's moved backwards INTO fence when it shouldnt have 09:42 tenplus1 it hasnt walked forwards/backwards, simply turned around and it's inside the node ?!?!?! 09:43 shivajiva hasn't that issue been around forever 09:43 tenplus1 set_velocity in mobs api only makes sheep go in facing direction, never backwards into things 09:47 tenplus1 and it's somehow related to stepheight 09:47 tenplus1 as if it's going to walk UP a node even if it's 2 high 09:48 tenplus1 I wonder if stepheight code checks if entity CAN indeed walk up by doing a collosionbox check 1st (getting highest node) 09:50 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/248a1a8d65c483edcab328d898cc570071d6a182/src/collision.cpp#L468 09:52 tenplus1 seems to check if stepping up would hit a ceiling, but never if it would be inside node 09:52 tenplus1 hi Jordach 09:59 tenplus1 wish I nkew more c++ to figure what this does more accurately 09:59 Calinou everyone wishes they knew more C++ 10:00 Calinou in Soviet Russia, C++ knows YOU! 10:00 tenplus1 lol 10:00 shivajiva ^ LOL 10:01 tenplus1 could anyone who knows proper c++ check that collision.cpp code and see if it really does check if entity is inside node? or just ceilings ? 10:03 rubenwardy tenplus1: learn c++ then :) 10:04 rubenwardy Make a small game 10:04 rubenwardy Or something fun 10:04 rubenwardy Sfml is nice 10:04 tenplus1 I would love to but it's all down to time... I already do lua as a hobby of sorts already 10:04 rubenwardy Although, maybe start with some simple programs like a text adventure game 10:04 rubenwardy To learn memory management 10:05 rubenwardy Minetest isn't the best example of c++ code 10:05 tenplus1 heh, that's why I leave it to the pro devs to handle c++ code 10:05 tenplus1 I just do lua, and pull up the odd bug here and there :D 10:10 shivajiva to my untrained eye it checks for collision box and handles it with stairs and bounce as special cases 10:10 Calinou I'd try to follow https://learnopengl.com/ but no time… 10:10 Calinou I'm learning to drive currently, I have many lessons per week 10:11 Calinou I have paperwork to do for university as well 10:11 tenplus1 good luck dude :) 10:11 Calinou thanks, it's going okay so far 10:11 Jordach Calinou, remember, left side of the road is the good side 10:16 rubenwardy Tenplus1, c++ isn't that hard, but Minetest is 10:16 rubenwardy As it's such a big project 10:16 tenplus1 agree'd 10:17 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/248a1a8d65c483edcab328d898cc570071d6a182/src/collision.cpp#L468 <-- I know what I need to look at is here, just figuring it out properly is the issue 10:17 rubenwardy Separation of concerns is basically not a thing in MT 10:27 tenplus1 ? 10:29 rubenwardy Google it :p 10:29 rubenwardy Also, any suggestions for tomorrow's Dev meeting? 10:29 tenplus1 yeah have donuts 10:30 Calinou Jordach: France here :P 10:30 Calinou rubenwardy: getting a C++ project to compile/link/run on Windows is still often painful 10:31 Calinou and it very often goes into "I have no idea why it doesn't work/why it works" territory 10:31 Calinou it's completely different to Go, Rust, Nim, etc 10:31 Calinou with Rust, I can Git clone any properly written Rust program, type `cargo run --release` and it's done 10:32 Calinou and Rust itself is very easy to keep up-to-date, you can also install nightly Rust (which some programs) require besides the stable version 10:32 Calinou (which some programs require)* 10:32 tenplus1 I thought rust was failing ? 10:32 Calinou no, it's still going very strong 10:32 Calinou it's probably the most trendy systems programming language right now :P 10:33 Calinou on the Stack Overflow survey, it's the "most loved" language 10:33 tenplus1 heh, better than c++ and on all major formats ?? 10:34 rubenwardy Calinou, Windows sucks though 10:34 rubenwardy Lol 10:35 Calinou tenplus1: probably, yes 10:35 rubenwardy Tbh, the main reason I moved to Linux originally was to dev Minetest 10:35 rubenwardy So much easier to compile 10:35 Calinou rubenwardy: good languages are easy to develop in, regardless of the OS you use 10:35 tenplus1 if it compiles the same code on all formats a lot easier then yeah, it's worthwhile D 10:35 Calinou you shouldn't be required to switch to Linux just to develop things 10:35 Calinou if you think this is how you increase Linux market share, you should feel bad :P 10:35 rubenwardy Linux is just better for dependency management 10:36 rubenwardy Even Python is annoying on windows 10:36 rubenwardy At least when I used it 10 years ago 10:36 Calinou Python is okay on Windows, better than PHP on Windows actually 10:36 rubenwardy Wow 10:36 tenplus1 ooh, gotta check Python 3.6 new stuff 10:36 Calinou PHP on Windows is a mess, most people tell you to use a Linux VM 10:36 Calinou (Vagrant or otherwise) 10:36 Calinou it's also much slower (not that it matters too much) 10:38 tenplus1 saw a neat video on Banana Pi (quad 1.6ghz, 2gb etc) board running Ubuntu Server with snaps, looked a great mt server 10:38 Calinou rubenwardy: also, I didn't mean to offend you, I'm just a bit annoyed by some "tactics" Linux advocates seem to use to try to make it gain market share 10:39 rubenwardy You didnt 10:40 rubenwardy It would be better if windows came with a nice dependency manager 10:40 Calinou true; there is vcpkg now but it's limited to usage with MSVC 10:40 Calinou https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg 10:40 Calinou Conan (https://www.conan.io/) is dead now, mostly 10:40 rubenwardy What about chocolatey? 10:40 Calinou but it worked with MSVC and MinGW (IIRC), and was written in Python (despite being targeted at C++) 10:41 Calinou Chocolatey isn't for libraries, it's for end-user software 10:41 rubenwardy Ah 10:42 rubenwardy Would be nice to have a shallowly apt compatible one 10:42 rubenwardy Ie: aliased package names 10:42 rubenwardy So you could copy and paste apt commands and have it work for most simple things 10:42 rubenwardy Obviously not for ppas 10:46 Jordach Calinou, ;) 10:59 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:07 Fixer hello everyone 11:08 tenplus1 o/ 11:08 rubenwardy Hi fixer 11:10 Raven262 Hello tenplus1 11:10 Raven262 Hi Calinou 11:10 tenplus1 hi raven 11:35 tenplus1 lol, split 11:35 ThomasMonroe hi ten 11:35 tenplus1 hi caleb 11:35 tenplus1 hi thomas 11:35 CalebDavis hi ten 11:37 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated, when facing fence/gate mobs will not walk forward 11:37 ThomasMonroe nice 11:42 Raven262 This allfaces drawtype seems to be very bugged. 11:44 tenplus1 whats happening ? 11:44 Raven262 When looking trough the allfaces node, you can see the other allfaces node when it is behind it. 11:44 Raven262 Except 11:44 Raven262 If you are looking northwards and southwards, then you can't 11:45 Raven262 It becomes invisible 11:46 tenplus1 tha is weird... 11:46 Raven262 Oh, and inverted that^ if the node doesn't connect to the first one 11:47 red-001 great discord broke again 11:47 tenplus1 hi red 11:47 red-001 hi tenplus1 11:48 Raven262 Hi red-001 11:49 tenplus1 wb CWz 11:51 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/lHARMXs3Lu.png 11:52 CWz ello tenplus1 11:52 tenplus1 ::P 11:52 rubenwardy 😭 11:52 CWz what dat? 11:52 rubenwardy The forum does not like unicode emojis 11:53 tenplus1 I see it now am using ubuntu fixed font 11:57 Fixer EMOJI ANALYSIS~~ 11:59 tenplus1 wb Krock 11:59 Krock hi tenplus1 12:05 tenplus1 laters all :P 12:14 ThomasMonroe hey DS 12:15 DS-minetest hey :) 14:19 lisac https://i.redd.it/x3rkv4uvdzez.png 14:21 Krock aagh noo 14:21 Krock crying too 14:21 Raven262 𓆣 14:22 Krock u0131A3?? 14:23 Raven262 A scarab 14:23 Raven262 I can't see it myself 14:24 Krock lisac, /r/programmerhumor ? 14:24 lisac Krock, y 14:24 lisac I happen to be subscribed 14:25 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6sxea0/http_error_code_418_im_a_teapot_is_about_to_be/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage 14:25 lisac apparently they want to remove error 418 from Node.js 14:32 Krock lisac, the top comment couldn't be better :D 14:32 Krock "Tfw you have to compile your own tears" 14:35 lisac :P 14:44 rubenwardy What 14:45 Krock what what 14:45 Raven262 What What What 14:46 Dumbeldor what what what what 14:46 lumidify wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat 14:50 Krock lol 14:52 Krock programming languages are genious 15:01 Calinou hi Raven262 15:12 benrob0329 https://godotengine.org/article/we-should-all-use-gltf-20-export-3d-assets-game-engines 15:20 Calinou yeah, don't imply Irrlicht will support this soon :P 15:27 Fixer Calinou: in 20 years will probably support 15:53 benrob0329 Assimp might support it, or some other parser 17:13 tumeninodes wii/benrob0329 17:14 tumeninodes benrob0329, my VidMe video finally processed :P 17:15 benrob0329 tumeninodes: vidme, or the other thing? 17:16 tumeninodes duh haha I was just thinking "wrong one?" yes the other thingy 17:16 benrob0329 link? 17:18 tumeninodes https://www.bitchute.com/video/qzMGIEmrMYlc/ 16 views already heh 17:19 tumeninodes so anyway yeah, open to the public now I guess 17:20 benrob0329 not the highest quality 17:21 * tumeninodes is no producer. Just a quick sample vid I did a bit back 17:23 tumeninodes it was low quality trash going in. But there is no quality diff between the copy on my YT acct so not sure what kind of differences bitchute has vs YT aside from obvious stuff currently 17:24 tumeninodes it's coll though and hope it catches on well, thanks for mentioning it 17:24 tumeninodes *cool 17:25 Shara Hello all 17:25 tumeninodes Hi Shara 17:26 Shara Hi tumeninodes :) 17:31 tumeninodes are you "happy" today? :D 17:31 Shara What happens if I'm not? 17:32 Shara (those quotation marks are scary) 17:32 tumeninodes you get this face -_- 17:33 Raven262 Hi Shara 17:33 Raven262 Hi tumeninodes 17:33 tumeninodes my dr pushed some muscle relaxers on me so I'm "happy". Prob shouldn't be irc-ing while on druuugs haha 17:33 tumeninodes Hi Raven 17:36 Shara I'm sure we'll all try to stop you doing anything "too" silly :) 17:37 Shara And hi Raven262 17:37 tumeninodes muahahahaha :P 17:43 rdococ hi 17:44 tumeninodes Hi rdococ 17:49 tumeninodes wandering afk 18:22 rubenwardy o/ 18:31 Shara hi rubenwardy 18:34 tumeninodes hi rubenwardy 18:34 rubenwardy hi Shara, tumeninodes 18:34 rubenwardy How's it going? 18:35 tumeninodes |o| <---- tie fighter (that's about how it's going) :P 18:35 rubenwardy 18:35 tumeninodes .... Vader.... 18:36 rubenwardy Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? 18:37 tumeninodes no, and I'm thinking there's a joke in there somewhere but I'm too goofy atm to figure it out 18:37 Shara Going okay thanks. 18:38 Shara Server related idiocy overnight seems to have stayed away through the day :) 18:38 tumeninodes nvm just remembered duh 18:40 tumeninodes then you are happy... I knew it 18:41 Shara tumeninodes: Maybe a different kind of happy from you though :) 18:41 tumeninodes yes 18:42 tumeninodes I don't know how people handle running a server... you have a gift of patience & tolerance 18:44 tumeninodes rubenwardy just made me realize, some Sen. Palpatine influence could come in handy with the little jedi pupils that run rampant on servers :D 18:44 Shara Well, the things requiring patience are slowly getting worse and worse. 18:44 tumeninodes you need a Darth Vader mod 18:44 sofar ban faster? 18:45 tumeninodes that too 18:45 sofar I always find it funny when people ban for less than 24h on a first offense 18:46 tumeninodes doesn't even seem like enough time for it to set in on the mind of the player. No time for them to reflect 18:47 tumeninodes most young ones who get banned seem to rage for the first few hours, at least. 18:48 Shara sofar: I rarely ever temp ban. 18:48 tumeninodes you just full out perma ban? 0_o 18:48 Shara Depends on what they did 18:49 tumeninodes sounds a lot like a challenge :P 18:50 Shara Assuming you are a decent player when you're on servers, do you want to see the chat filled with someone spamming racist or sometimes sexual insults, or any other kinds of personal attacks? 18:51 tumeninodes noooo that's my least favorite thing to do 18:51 Shara I don't give second chances for some of the things I've seen. 18:51 Shara And my players shouldn't have to put up with that, 18:51 tumeninodes exact and true 18:52 Shara I don't allow swearing (my server, so my choice, to anyone who thinks it's fine), but I'll usually warn instead of insta-ban for that. 18:52 Shara But again, depends on how it's used 18:52 tumeninodes there is one guy I've seen on YT who literally joins servers to troll kids into a rage... kinda funny and kinda disturbing at the same time 18:53 tumeninodes yeh, I definitely don't want to get into the whole "bad word" thing anymore but, I agree with you on that stance 18:55 Shara I try to keep it fair. 18:55 tumeninodes that's a whole lotta trying haha 18:56 Shara Yes :P 18:56 tumeninodes would be funny though, a Vader mod.... command /killthemall 18:56 tumeninodes just to shake things up a bit once in a while 18:57 Shara I have commands that slow players down, disable their ability to jump, make them unable to leave certain areas or insta-teleport them to a cage while stripping their privs... :P 18:57 sfan5 i think you can summarize that last one as "jail" 18:57 tumeninodes man, I could use one of those for my neighbor's kids IRL :P 18:57 Shara heh 18:58 tumeninodes I think Hometown does jail 18:58 tumeninodes and anyone seen at spawn with a striped skin on is open season 18:58 Shara sfan5: if you say jail, most people think you mean the usual jail mod, but this doesn't work the same way 18:59 Shara But any of those things are usually a good test to see if a player will calm down and might turn into a decent player 18:59 Shara most fail, rage and then get banned anyway of course 18:59 tumeninodes hehe 19:05 tumeninodes gonna go mess up some more code... ttyl and have a good eve 19:39 benrob0329 >puts meme in video 19:39 benrob0329 what have I done 20:11 Calinou permabanning is evil, but that's just me 20:11 Calinou (with rare exceptions, and of course, bots) 20:13 Fixer kek 20:13 Fixer i remember on mc beta 1.7.3 server someone said that minetest even has JAIL!1111 21:15 ThomasMonroe elinor 21:19 elinor Yes? 21:20 ThomasMonroe how much protection do you have on HOWETOWN? 21:20 Shara Can anyone who needs autovoice let me know please? 21:21 elinor I don't know, but at least four hundred protection blocks and logos. 21:21 ThomasMonroe woah 21:22 Wuzzy autovoice? 21:22 ThomasMonroe what are you building? 21:22 Wuzzy =automatic voice on join? 21:22 Shara Yup. 21:22 Wuzzy i guess pretty much everyone?! 21:22 Wuzzy unless they stay online forever 21:23 Shara Problem is most who don't have it don't identify. 21:23 Wuzzy start with me 21:23 Wuzzy why u need voice here anyway? 21:23 Shara To speak. 21:23 ThomasMonroe bcs of the +m flag 21:24 Wuzzy i was asking for the rationale 21:24 Shara It was what everyone agreed on when the channel was made. 21:24 Wuzzy who was that? 21:24 Shara You can check the list yourself to see who showed up when 21:25 Shara I don't really feel like being grilled about it :P 21:25 * Shara pokes twoelk for being a newbie 21:26 * twoelk wonders how that hapened 21:26 Shara Wuzzy: added you 21:28 twoelk wow newbie4? some netsplit? 21:31 Krock no, just a time out 22:32 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/08/embattled-soundcloud-gets-170-million-lifeline-new-ceo/ 22:32 Fixer heh 22:32 Fixer 2 years to reupload stuff to other "service" 23:06 rdococ No, this :P