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DS-minetest |
111 people watch now MTG |
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cx384 |
Now they are 112 :D |
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CWz |
A youtube comment pointed out how messed up the concept of barbies is... this would explain the state of society |
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Krock |
aagh.. why does irrlicht strip out control characters when pasting into the chat? >.< |
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| 08:32 |
IhrFussel |
Ok I'm on my new PC now and it runs Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit ... but yesterday it locked up again while downloading something...I'll have to see what exactly causes those lockups |
| 08:34 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, confirmed the weird 5 secs run after shutdown only happens when I shutdown via button...if I shutdown via OS it behaves normally |
| 08:40 |
IhrFussel |
WHAT THE... this new PC handle MT @ 60 FPS compared to my Celeron which only did 20-25 FPS |
| 08:48 |
Krock |
hmm, what CPU have you got now? |
| 08:49 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 |
| 08:51 |
IhrFussel |
This machine is mad fast compared to the old one...I barely see the Xubuntu loading logo on boot up anymore (It appeared for 5 - 10 secs on old one) |
| 08:51 |
Krock |
heh yes. A 2nd core already has a big impact |
| 08:51 |
Krock |
huh.. there's a loading logo? |
| 08:51 |
Krock |
I've seen it during the install process but now it's gone |
| 08:52 |
IhrFussel |
There is a logo with a circle xP guess your PC is much faster than this one |
| 08:52 |
IhrFussel |
Do the 8 GB RAM also increase the speed greatly? Or just a little? |
| 08:55 |
Krock |
the speed increase happens when other computers would hit the memory limit and move everything to swap |
| 08:55 |
IhrFussel |
Ok so out-of-the-box it's simply the 2 cores that makes everything 3-5x faster |
| 08:55 |
Krock |
but more RAM doesn't mean that it's faster. it's just more space to put the data in. but you'll have no profit when only using 1 GB of it |
| 08:56 |
Krock |
2 cores and perhaps now 64-bit (?) |
| 08:56 |
IhrFussel |
OH yes I forgot...that would mean 4x speed bump right? 2 cores vs 1 and 64 bit vs 32 bit |
| 08:58 |
Krock |
up to 4x.. yes, I think so |
| 08:59 |
Krock |
but that's somewhat simplified. clock speeds and the HDD access speed isn't included there |
| 09:01 |
IhrFussel |
Clock is almost same 2.5 GHz vs 2.6 and HDD speed is same (5400 rpm) |
| 09:01 |
nerzhul |
Clock != CPU architecture |
| 09:02 |
nerzhul |
and CPU instruction set is more evolved nowadays |
| 09:02 |
IhrFussel |
The PC is from 2009 (didn't come with 8 GB RAM obviously) |
| 09:04 |
IhrFussel |
But I'm impressed at how much PCs evolved between 2005 and 2009 already |
| 09:05 |
IhrFussel |
I remember someone saying "PS3 was almost the most powerful computer back then" but a few years later the PCs passed consoles |
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| 09:12 |
Krock |
but in order to use newer/better instructions you also need newer software, which is compiled to use them |
| 09:23 |
IhrFussel |
Does Opera Linux only have 32-bit .deb ? |
| 09:30 |
Krock |
repost from /r/programminghumor https://gfycat.com/specificwhoppinghousefly |
| 09:48 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, on my server the FPS go down to 40 xD didn't know I made it that demanding |
| 09:50 |
Krock |
yours is indeed quite heavy |
| 09:50 |
Krock |
compared with others |
| 09:55 |
IhrFussel |
Well as long as it's not as heavy as The Dreambuilder one o.o |
| 10:01 |
IhrFussel |
Changing the undersampling setting requires a client close? Is there a certain reason for that? |
| 10:02 |
IhrFussel |
Or is that a bug? I set it to 2 and played, worked...now I tried to set it back to 0 and played again, but was still enabled...after client close it was disabled |
| 10:23 |
Krock |
caching improves the performance, thus feature |
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| 11:02 |
nerzhul |
note: new chat protocol has been implemented |
| 11:03 |
nerzhul |
if a volunteer want to use the full potential the CSM chat consuming binding should be updated and we should have a core side builtin thing to show chat which could be overrided by mods |
| 11:03 |
nerzhul |
red-001, ^ |
| 11:03 |
nerzhul |
:D |
| 11:04 |
nerzhul |
this will permit end users to customize their chat with colors etc, not depending on server, like in many mmo like SWTOR or WoW :) |
| 11:04 |
nerzhul |
CSM + builtin consuming => good |
| 11:06 |
lisac |
hey comrades, for some reason carts go forward then backwards, lagging, with anticheat enabled |
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| 11:17 |
Krock |
If you have important last minute comments on the CSM restrictions: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5930 before merging it |
| 11:30 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, do you know when you'll merge the compat breaking PRs? I use the daily builds PPA on my PC and it would be nice to know when to stop using it |
| 11:31 |
IhrFussel |
And I hope there will be a way to download the last non-breaking dev somewhere |
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| 11:54 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, no idea |
| 11:54 |
Krock |
there's always |
| 11:54 |
Krock |
https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines |
| 12:14 |
nerzhul |
gitlab.com is a daily updated mirror from github which trigger pipeline & package minetest for various distro automaticly |
| 12:14 |
nerzhul |
it's not perfect packages but it works |
| 12:14 |
nerzhul |
it has windows, ubuntu & debian currently |
| 12:15 |
nerzhul |
Calinou is working on appimage |
| 12:16 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but wouldn't it be the same as the PPA if it's just a mirror? |
| 12:17 |
IhrFussel |
I mean if you will provide a link somewhere (maybe in the forum) that leads to the LAST non-breaking .deb |
| 12:18 |
IhrFussel |
Cause I'd like to keep ALL dev features since stable BUT also be able to play on my 0.4.16 server |
| 12:40 |
Fixer |
r e g r e s s i o n d e t e c t e d |
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| 13:00 |
Shara |
Hello all |
| 13:01 |
IhrFussel |
hi Shara ... has this bug been reported yet? My ENTIRE HAND is gone when I respawn |
| 13:02 |
Shara |
I just got home (holiday over :( ) |
| 13:02 |
Shara |
But never saw or heard of that bug, so don't know |
| 13:02 |
Shara |
when did that start happening? |
| 13:02 |
IhrFussel |
Jut now with the newest daily PPA |
| 13:02 |
IhrFussel |
Just* |
| 13:03 |
IhrFussel |
But not sure if it already happened before..I'll see if it fixes itself |
| 13:04 |
Shara |
Don't see any new issues for it at least |
| 13:04 |
IhrFussel |
It doesn't come back it's gone for good |
| 13:05 |
Shara |
I suggest an issue then |
| 13:05 |
Shara |
THey can always close it if it did get posted already |
| 13:07 |
Fixer |
"just test" world save back then and now is huge difference, right now it is damn silky smooth |
| 13:08 |
IhrFussel |
Screenshot http://i.imgur.com/BtGH6On.png |
| 13:12 |
IhrFussel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6140 |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: there was hand fix just yesterday, do you know exact commit? |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
of your build |
| 13:16 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, I downloaded the PPA version 3 hours ago not sure when the PPA updates |
| 13:16 |
Fixer |
once a day |
| 13:16 |
Fixer |
i believe |
| 13:16 |
IhrFussel |
Yes but the question is WHEN :P |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
The PPA version should contain the commit version too (or is that not possible?) |
| 13:21 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: just wait 1 more day |
| 13:22 |
Fixer |
15-Jul-2017 19:29 21M |
| 13:23 |
IhrFussel |
UTC? |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
no idea |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
it does not specify |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
looks like hand fix was merged AFTER that |
| 13:24 |
Fixer |
so you need to wait for next daily PPA |
| 13:25 |
IhrFussel |
Is there a link to see the line above? |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/daily-builds/ubuntu/pool/main/m/minetest/?C=M;O=D |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
according to github hand fix was merged 19 hours ago |
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| 13:30 |
IhrFussel |
When I break a node it breaks into many smaller parts...is that the "particles" setting? |
| 13:31 |
IhrFussel |
I don't remember this behavior/setting on my old PC (maybe cause it was OpenGL 1.5 vs 2.1 now) |
| 13:40 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: particles |
| 13:41 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, IMO this setting is misleading...it doesn't also disable all server particles right? |
| 13:41 |
IhrFussel |
Like particle spawners and single ones sent to client |
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| 13:45 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: it does not iirc |
| 13:46 |
IhrFussel |
"Client particles" would be a better name then |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
particle spawner is an API feature |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
particles alone just a visual effect |
| 13:47 |
Krock |
client particle spawners are or will be merged soon FYI |
| 13:47 |
Krock |
at least there was a PR for it |
| 13:50 |
IhrFussel |
What does kilbith mean "HEAD"? |
| 13:52 |
IhrFussel |
I hope he doesn't seriously mean that ONLY people with fresh compiled master versions should open issues...cause that's stupid |
| 13:53 |
IhrFussel |
The situation with my issue is a (very rare) race condition...it's not my fault that the PPA didn't update yet + devs cannot skip time |
| 14:04 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, the reason is that there was a fresh commit to fix a similar issue |
| 14:05 |
Krock |
if you can reproduce this with the next build, it'll be a confirmed bug - a regular one |
| 14:06 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, I know that but it is still a race condition that I experienced this issue JUST BEFORE that commit was applied to the PPA...so I think kilbith's reaction is rude |
| 14:06 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, corrected the spelling of the latest comment |
| 14:07 |
Krock |
but I hope you understand why it's yet just a "Unconfirmed bug" |
| 14:10 |
IhrFussel |
Yes I do ... also how can I provide a commit hash from PPA? Is it on the package page? |
| 14:10 |
IhrFussel |
If it was part of --version it would be much easier to append it to an issue IMO |
| 14:12 |
Krock |
hmm.. it's not included in --version? could you please bpastebin the whole --version content? |
| 14:18 |
IhrFussel |
No it's not if you use PPA https://pastebin.com/R7PKBGEy |
| 14:26 |
Krock |
:/ |
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| 14:33 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, do you think it would be possible to include it in future versions? |
| 14:33 |
Krock |
I have no clue how PPA works, thus I can't tell how much work it'll be |
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| 15:57 |
Fixer |
look into (changes file) in https://launchpad.net/%7Eminetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages |
| 15:57 |
Fixer |
you will see exact commit |
| 15:58 |
Fixer |
Version: 201707151841-0~84aa845~ubuntu17.10.1 |
| 15:58 |
Fixer |
84aa845 |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
That is EXTREMELY cumbersome |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
I suggest to add it to the version string for PPAs (if possible) |
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octacian |
Well, I'm going to be away until tomorrow afternoon, Cya'll then :D |
| 17:06 |
IhrFussel |
This hand bug is FRUSTRATING...please let me know when the PPA has been updated |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, how about no? set "arm_inertia = false" in your minetest.conf |
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| 18:39 |
Fixer |
*,..,,,,* |
| 18:41 |
KaadmY |
*8,,*..*8,,*,*<*..<7*88.*,86$@*# |
| 18:41 |
KaadmY |
Do I win a prize or something now? |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
KaadmY, here, take this cookie from the dark side. |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, do you run RedCat creative? |
| 18:44 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: It's my server, yes |
| 18:44 |
Krock |
see #minetest ^ |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
there's a player on #minetest asking for its IRC channel |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
<kuldeep> banned on Red Cat Creative server asking all these questions. :( |
| 18:45 |
Shara |
Yea, he's not really wanted |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:45 |
Shara |
And if he does join the IRC channel, he'll get banned there too |
| 18:45 |
Krock |
that's mean |
| 18:46 |
Shara |
Krock: He had multiple warnings from three different admins |
| 18:49 |
Shara |
Let's say I let him join the IRC channel (which is generally invite only anyway) |
| 18:49 |
Shara |
Then what will he do? Argue about getting banned? |
| 18:49 |
Shara |
Ask more questions? |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
well, at least one legit question: "why was I banned?" |
| 18:52 |
Shara |
Krock: He was asked by three different admins to stop a certain behaviour, and did not confirm he would stop. Then he proceeding to ask questions, which we told him how to solve. He demonstrated no willingness to do as we suggested and just kept on asking. Kind of non-stop. |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
ack. |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
I've never seen him before today, so don't have any reason to think he was other than a first time player there, and he obviously did not fit the server, and didn't want to make an effort to cooperate. He acted like he was entitled. |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
If not wanting to revert the ban one of my team members made makes me mean, then okay, I'm mean :) |
| 18:57 |
Donbatman |
Shara is a meanie |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Hi Don |
| 18:58 |
Donbatman |
Hi Shara |
| 18:58 |
Donbatman |
Hi everyone |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Krock: as a note, I generally go out of my way to help people with questions on any server, mine or other servers. But he really was pretty singleminded and only had one question, which I did answer. He apparently ignored or didn't like my answer though. |
| 18:59 |
Shara |
Then made some claims that we should admit it if we didn't know the answer |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
yes, I believe that you helped that player and with that I also agree with your decision |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
Hopefully he will find somewhere |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
congrats garywhite! |
| 19:08 |
shivajiva |
okay I'll bite, what you congratulating him on? |
| 19:08 |
rubenwardy |
This drawing's lucky EliteBNC Lottery winning number is: 22 - won by: garywhite on Freenode - The next drawing is in 14 days. Make sure to set your new number. Thanks for playing! |
| 19:08 |
shivajiva |
XD |
| 19:11 |
garywhite |
thx |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
<nerzhul> Calinou is working on appimage |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
not yet |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
but I'll do it some day |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
(also, consider deploying binaries to Bintray or something, GitLab really isn't good for user-facing downloads) |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
underscore makes lua so much nicer in places |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
all we need now is compile time static type analysers |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
and type annotations |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
Calinou, rubenwardy; i've got a friend at Team17 |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
he reviewed Minetest's GLSL shaders |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
"how is this thing even working" |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
inb4 "they suck" |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
~g Team17 |
| 19:53 |
ShadowBot |
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| 19:53 |
Calinou |
Worms developers, IIRC |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
published Yooka Laylee* |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach, is he offering? |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, he worked on the PBR engine of Urho 3 |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
D |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
also, yeah, no fixes, no clicks |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
it's not as bad as the CryEngine |
| 19:54 |
Jordach |
CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
Godot :D |
| 19:54 |
Jordach |
it makes Minetest look like a piece of cake |
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| 20:04 |
red-001 |
Jordach, it's in the name |
| 20:04 |
red-001 |
devs cry when they are told they will be using it |
| 20:08 |
garywhite |
~g Minetest |
| 20:08 |
ShadowBot |
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| 20:08 |
red-001 |
~g red-001 |
| 20:08 |
ShadowBot |
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| 20:08 |
red-001 |
well |
| 20:09 |
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| 20:14 |
Fixer |
Jordach: oohh, i was a big fun of Worms 2, played it for very long time back then |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
or it was Worms 1 |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
not the dos one |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
but on win 98 se |
| 20:16 |
Fixer |
long time ago in galaxy far away* |
| 20:16 |
Fixer |
played on legendary overclockable celeron PC |
| 20:25 |
KaadmY |
I'd link to some shitty code in Cryengine, but I can't find it since it's so messy |
| 20:29 |
KaadmY |
Ah here we go https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/Code/CryEngine/CryPhysics/livingentity.cpp#L1300 |
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| 20:55 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 21:04 |
Fixer |
KaadmY: CryEngine |
| 21:06 |
KaadmY |
Fixer: hm? |
| 21:11 |
Fixer |
KaadmY: "<Jordach> CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently" |
| 21:11 |
Fixer |
KaadmY: Cry Engine |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
KaadmY: wanna port minetest to Cry Engine? |
| 21:13 |
KaadmY |
Oh god |
| 21:13 |
KaadmY |
No please |
| 21:13 |
KaadmY |
Minetest + CryEngine = HellTest |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
KaadmY: court ruled: you are sentenced to porting minetest to cryEngine for the next 20 years... |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
Minetest + CryEngine = MineCryEngineTest |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
now this is good |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
/music plays |
| 21:25 |
Calinou |
is it just me, or Minetest development has become a mess since a year ago or so? |
| 21:25 |
Calinou |
I've looked at the recent issues and god, this is so dense… |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
I miss the times where Minetest was pretty actively developed with celeron55 :( |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
it was like, the fastest-moving open source game out there |
| 21:26 |
KaadmY |
Yeah |
| 21:26 |
KaadmY |
Now it's quickly moving |
| 21:26 |
KaadmY |
But in the wrong directions |
| 21:31 |
nerzhul |
yeah minetest has many issues, community growth too |
| 21:31 |
nerzhul |
but yes mientest dev is less active these days |
| 21:35 |
Jordach |
meanwhile two years ago |
| 21:35 |
Jordach |
i called this shit out |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
well, the point of this channel is to steer development, right? |
| 21:37 |
rubenwardy |
also: it's hard to get developers as the work's unpaid |
| 21:37 |
Jordach |
this is where the cool kids hang out, rubenwardy |
| 21:37 |
rubenwardy |
so you rely on volunteer time |
| 21:37 |
rubenwardy |
well, as well as that |
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rubenwardy |
> mod is called currency |
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rubenwardy |
> adds shops |
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rubenwardy |
:( |
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rubenwardy |
also, the shop really needs a better UI |
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Calinou: and MTG is in sleep state |
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garywhite |
in sleep state? |
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KaadmY |
Ie. dead |
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celeron55 |
whoops, the forum certificate is expiring tomorrow, remind me after i wake up |
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KaadmY |
https://youtu.be/npjOSLCR2hE?t=36s |
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garywhite |
It's dead as a bloody doornail! |
