Time  Nick         Message
01:02 octacian     red-001: You know, formspecs wouldn't be so bad if all the units were the same
01:04 octacian     Although something using a method system like meta might be nice
02:33 Sokomine     why does autorun no longer work for me?
03:29 paramat      Sokomine it's been renamed, use 'keymap_autoforward = '
03:31 paramat      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5926
03:32 KaadmY       TBH I've never used autorun, don't see a need for it really
09:06 tenplus1     hi folks
09:07 VanessaE     hi
09:07 tenplus1     hi Vanessa
09:22 Krock        hi tenplus1
09:22 tenplus1     hi krock :P
09:26 tenplus1     Q. rather than display text message for mobs api, how about a noentry particle showing you cannot do something ???
09:46 Krock        heh, you could give the player 1 HP and then remove it again to cause a red screen. sadly, only works for damage enabled servers
09:46 tenplus1     lol
10:26 CWz          what is the wya of getting of the horse without killing it
10:26 tenplus1     right click horse to dismount
10:28 tenplus1     same as boats :D
10:29 CWz          horse randomly died
10:29 tenplus1     when riding ? or walking around ?
10:29 CWz          riding
10:30 CWz          funny
10:30 tenplus1     walking on water or lava damages horse... also monsters will attack horse to get to you
10:30 tenplus1     if you are using old api then riding has collision damage enabled... ride too fast and hit something hurts horsey
10:31 CWz          lol
10:33 tenplus1     hi nrz
10:33 tenplus1     CWz: ar you using latest api ?
10:34 CWz          now i am
10:34 tenplus1     kewl :P
10:34 CWz          would have been funny seeing everyone on my server rage at their dead horses
10:36 tenplus1     no good...
10:46 tenplus1     hi sniper
10:47 tenplus1     o.O
11:03 tenplus1     hi Fixer
11:51 tenplus1     wb thomas
11:52 ThomasMonroe thanks
12:23 tenplus1     hi DS, hi Megaf
12:25 DS-minetest  hi
13:04 tenplus1     hi robbie
13:06 RobbieF      tenplus1 - been a while! How you been?
13:06 tenplus1     good thanks, and you ?
13:06 ThomasMonroe hi RobbieF
13:06 RobbieF      Hi ThomasMonroe
13:07 RobbieF      doing very well thanks tenplus1
13:07 tenplus1     glad to hear...
13:07 RobbieF      just back from a long weekend.
13:07 tenplus1     nice, anywhere good ?
13:07 RobbieF      nice to get an extra day off
13:07 RobbieF      neah didn't go anywhere.
13:07 RobbieF      Just a holiday from work
13:07 tenplus1     I hear ya :PP lol
13:07 RobbieF      Even then I was busy...
13:07 RobbieF      but a change in scenery... and slept in!  :D
13:08 tenplus1     mobs api has been updated with some new features if interested :P
13:08 RobbieF      Always interested!
13:08 ThomasMonroe the most i sleep in is an hour
13:08 RobbieF      :D
13:08 RobbieF      stable?
13:08 RobbieF      well, I'm usually up at 5:30
13:08 tenplus1     yea
13:08 RobbieF      so sleeping till 8am was something else  :D
13:08 ThomasMonroe me 6:20
13:08 tenplus1     mostly fixes but some particle effects for rune etc
13:08 ThomasMonroe i get you there
13:08 ThomasMonroe how does the rune work anyways?
13:08 RobbieF      Great thanks tenplus1 I'll give it a pull
13:08 RobbieF      not familiar with rune
13:09 tenplus1     also protection redo updated with new features
13:09 tenplus1     protection rune lets you protect tamed animal so that no-one can kill it inside a protected area
13:09 RobbieF      updated
13:09 RobbieF      :)
13:09 RobbieF      I have a script that updates all mob-related mods
13:09 RobbieF      that way it gets the new versions of mobs at the same time as updates to the API, in case the mobs were also changed
13:10 ThomasMonroe oh RobbieF, i have become an owner of MM-Survival, so if you want to do a video on there just let me know
13:10 RobbieF      oh that's cool tenplus1
13:10 RobbieF      thanks ThomasMonroe. I don't think we'll be doing any server features for a while.
13:10 tenplus1     and in protector redo, the placement tool lets you place above and below now with new checks
13:10 ThomasMonroe ok np
13:10 RobbieF      We will be getting back to TPS-Domes soon.
13:10 ThomasMonroe nice
13:10 tenplus1     sounds like you are super busy of late rob
13:10 ThomasMonroe its kind of annoying trying to start out on that server
13:11 ThomasMonroe but fun though
13:11 ThomasMonroe welp i gtg have a good 4th of July cyall later
13:11 tenplus1     cya thomas
13:12 RobbieF      tenplus1 well, yes. Very busy. We're doing all kinds of things... this week we're at a virtual reality conference in toronto.
13:13 RobbieF      so Henry did the shoot, now I'm doing the editing.
13:13 tenplus1     ooh nice one... did you get to play with the vr particle setup ?
13:13 RobbieF      tenplus1 wait till you see all the crazy stuff Henry got to try!
13:13 RobbieF      fully immersive
13:13 tenplus1     I look forward to it :))) seen many new gadgets and techniques for 3d/vr gaming :PPP
13:14 RobbieF      it's really getting awesome
13:14 RobbieF      and consumer-ready
13:14 tenplus1     one question, did you see the Euclideon setup ????
13:15 RobbieF      Is that something that was at VRTO?
13:15 tenplus1     the 3d atom setup which is far more detailed than current 3d graphics
13:16 RobbieF      I didn't get to go, myself. I am just the editor... the guy who gets up at 5:30am and starts producing video sent to him via dropbox  :D
13:16 RobbieF      no, never seen it.
13:16 tenplus1     aww, hehehe... youtube it sometime unless you see it in the editing ?DD
13:18 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uYkbXlgUCw
13:18 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvCxa9Y9NU
13:21 RobbieF      at work
13:21 RobbieF      wish I could
13:21 tenplus1     ehehe
13:22 RobbieF      I wish Minetest had Equirectangular view
13:22 tenplus1     hi octacian
13:22 RobbieF      if it did, I could really, really promote the heck out of it in the VR space
13:22 tenplus1     ? what's that ?
13:22 octacian     morning tenplus1 :D
13:22 RobbieF      Equirectangular = 360 video on a flat 3840x1920 image
13:22 tenplus1     ooh, I get you
13:23 RobbieF      We would then be able to shoot The Pixel Shadow in 360
13:23 RobbieF      That's my dream
13:23 tenplus1     looks awesome going by the google pics
13:23 RobbieF      Our nature channel is going 360
13:23 RobbieF      you'll be able to look all around
13:23 RobbieF      and a new game show is in the works also shot in 360
13:23 tenplus1     wonder how easy it would be to implement
13:24 tenplus1     or hoe hard :DDD
13:24 tenplus1     *how
13:25 RobbieF      No clue. Can't be "over the top" hard since it's already a 3D rendering... just would need to make it show all sides at once in equirectangular format.
13:25 RobbieF      would be neat to be able to look behind you.
13:26 tenplus1     is that how minecraft vr works ?
13:26 RobbieF      Not exactly, no... that's realtime VR (still only "generates" what you see)
13:27 RobbieF      what this is is generating EVERYTHING all at the same time. So it generates behind you at the same time as in front and to the sides.
13:27 RobbieF      it's video as opposed to realtime
13:27 tenplus1     so doing it the equi way is less stress on gpu and lets you view all sides using sensors on vr headset :)
13:27 RobbieF      It's how 360 video on YouTube works, for example.
13:27 RobbieF      correct.
13:27 RobbieF      and it's pre-recorded
13:27 tenplus1     w00t! we need 'dis :P
13:28 RobbieF      eg., for a video
13:28 RobbieF      you can "play it back" in vr space
13:28 tenplus1     then we coudl watch any youtube vid for minetest and look all over :D
13:28 RobbieF      Exactly.
13:28 RobbieF      if it was recorded in equirectangular.
13:28 RobbieF      Imagine if the pixel shadow could do this.
13:30 RobbieF      tenplus1 check it out: http://category5.tv/shows/technology/episode/471-360/
13:30 RobbieF      drag your mouse on the video
13:31 tenplus1     sweeeeeet...... gal in background nomming :P aha
13:33 RobbieF      :D
13:34 RobbieF      so that is shot in equirectangular
13:34 tenplus1     I like it :D
13:35 RobbieF      loads of potential for something like MT
13:35 tenplus1     I agree... would be nice to see it added in the 3d modes...
13:37 RobbieF      how to make that happen?  :)
13:37 RobbieF      I would be happy to give help from a technical standpoint.
13:38 RobbieF      No idea how to do it from a programming standpoint though
13:38 RobbieF      but could help with the "video" aspects.
13:38 tenplus1     add an issue in minetest git page and from there it will get notices
13:38 RobbieF      NathanS21 is also getting very well versed in 360 video (he was Executive Producer on that Category5 episode).
13:38 tenplus1     *noticed
13:38 RobbieF      hmm, okay.
13:38 RobbieF      Will gather some thoughts first... make it a good writeup.
13:39 tenplus1     a few links of examples in initial text and what it can bring and who knows :) might make it for 0.5.0
13:39 RobbieF      Sure.
13:39 RobbieF      Oooh that'd be something else.
13:43 Calinou      hi
13:43 tenplus1     hi Cal
13:43 tenplus1     hi lisac
13:48 lisac        Hi tenplus1
13:58 tenplus1     wb
13:58 DS-minetest  thx
14:04 RobbieF      tenplus1 issues appear read-only. How do I add the feature request?
14:05 tenplus1     if you have a git account log in, go to github.com/minetest/minetest  click Issues, new issue and go for it :D
14:07 RobbieF      I am logged in
14:07 RobbieF      there is no button for new issue
14:07 RobbieF      just options to sort
14:08 tenplus1     hrm, am logged in and on same page and I see bright green "New Issue" button on right side
14:08 RobbieF      tenplus1: http://imgur.com/a/xgwcK
14:09 tenplus1     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues
14:11 RobbieF      oh I see.
14:11 tenplus1     :P
14:11 RobbieF      I was on the user "minetest" not the program.  :D
14:11 RobbieF      n00b
14:11 RobbieF      lol
14:11 tenplus1     ehehe
14:14 DS-minetest  it's a organization, not a user
14:15 tenplus1     yup :P
14:16 RobbieF      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6099
14:16 RobbieF      LOL semantics. I love it.
14:16 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Fj8SALkbg <-- Vic-20
14:16 RobbieF      it is a Github user from my perspective
14:17 tenplus1     added thumbs up :D
14:17 RobbieF      thanks tenplus1
14:18 RobbieF      is the writeup okay?
14:18 tenplus1     looks good, detailed which devs will like :D
14:18 RobbieF      k thanks
14:22 tenplus1     I dare say yo would need a damn good spec setup to run in vr :P
14:23 RobbieF      indeed. but that's how things are going.
14:23 RobbieF      GPU driven
14:24 tenplus1     that's why I liked the new eclidion 3d atmos, can use cpu and have gfx better than most 3d cards :D
14:24 tenplus1     *atoms
14:27 RobbieF      very neat!
14:27 RobbieF      oh you'll enjoy tomorrow's show
14:29 tenplus1     I look forward to it :D
14:39 tenplus1     Xanadu updated with latest mobs api and protector redo
14:54 CWz          hmm the tool was always an easy griefing/trolling tool as it doesn't check if the guy standing on the protector owns it
14:56 tenplus1     even though it places the new protection outside of the protected area :P where it's fair game... ehehe
15:01 tenplus1     should I have it check for owner ?
15:05 Shara        I thought it did check whether the one using the tool can place one at the new location or not though...
15:06 Shara        outside the protected areas... trolls are going to place them anyway, no matter how.
15:07 Shara        Unless they use it to protect above and abuse that way maybe? I suppose that would be annoying
15:08 tenplus1     hi Shara
15:09 Shara        (and hi as well :P)
15:09 tenplus1     ehe
15:33 * VanessaE   wanders in, yawns loudly, and flops down on the channel sofa
15:33 VanessaE     good morning
15:33 tenplus1     hi Vanessa
15:34 * tenplus1   shares maple & bbq chips with all
15:34 tenplus1     hi talus
15:37 RobbieF      G'day VanessaE
15:37 VanessaE     hi
15:37 RobbieF      Maple BBQ? How very Canadian of you TenPlus1  ;)
15:37 tenplus1     ish tasty *nom*
15:39 Shara        VanessaE: wait, this channel has a sofa now??
15:39 VanessaE     every channel has a sofa and coffee table :)
15:39 Shara        Why did you hide this from me!?
15:39 Shara        Wasn't the business with the eclair enough already!! :(
15:39 VanessaE     where the hell do you think we put the plate of donuts?  on the coffee table of coursre :)
15:39 VanessaE     course*
15:40 * Fuchs      ponders creating sofaserv
15:40 * tenplus1   hides donuts
15:40 Shara        Ahhhh!
15:40 * Shara      glares at 11
15:40 VanessaE     haha
15:44 * tenplus1   stands perfectly still...
15:46 tenplus1     om
15:46 tenplus1     nom
15:46 tenplus1     nom
15:48 * Shara      will not stop glaring!
15:48 * tenplus1   runs
15:48 Shara        Wise :)
15:48 tenplus1     :pPpPpP
15:48 Shara        :P
15:50 * Shara      renames the coffee table to "doughnut table" and will guard it carefully from now on :P
15:50 * VanessaT   goes up to coffee table
15:50 VanessaE     hah!
15:50 Shara        Hah!!
15:50 VanessaT     o.O
15:50 RobbieF      What'd I do wrong here? https://github.com/Cat5TV/mtsa/blob/master/.gitignore  :D  I just did a push, and my local copy of config.sh uploaded.
15:51 VanessaT     abort!!!!
15:51 RobbieF      Do I need to include a path or something?
15:52 TenPlus1     dunno robbie, never actually made a .gitignore file as yet :P
15:53 Shara        me neither
15:53 Shara        maybe someone who has a clue can teach us all at the same time :D
15:55 Krock        uhm.. we have a great .gitignore example in Minetest's repo: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/.gitignore
15:56 Krock        using the exclamation mark you can add exceptions to the already ignored directories
15:56 TenPlus1     ooh, *click*
15:58 RobbieF      thanks
15:58 Krock        !next
15:58 ShadowBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:59 TenPlus1     ehehe
16:02 RobbieF      lol
16:06 TenPlus1     hi Jordach
16:07 lisac        !nexdt
16:07 lisac        !next
16:07 ShadowBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:07 lisac        :(
16:15 TenPlus1     hi cx384
16:15 cx384        Hiya! TenPlus1
16:21 VanessaE     bbl
17:02 Fixer        MAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE A MOOOOOOOOOVE
17:03 TenPlus1     ?
17:05 Krock        OKKKKKKKKKKKKk
17:07 * Krock      corrects his chair position by 4 cm
17:07 TenPlus1     ahh precision
17:15 TenPlus1     hi nrz
17:15 nerzhul      hi
17:27 Krock        o/ nerzhul
17:28 cx384        hi nerzhul
17:29 Raven262     Hello ner'zhul
17:31 TenPlus1     hi raven
17:31 Raven262     Hello TenPlus1
17:33 RobbieF      tenplus1
17:33 TenPlus1     ?
17:33 RobbieF      okay - upgraded to .16
17:33 RobbieF      now: ERROR[Main]: Subgame [] could not be found.
17:33 RobbieF      seen?
17:33 KaadmY       Why is `add_callbacks` a global function?
17:33 TenPlus1     not seen that one
17:33 KaadmY       Is that a Lua or Minetest function?
17:34 KaadmY       Oh nevermind
17:34 RobbieF      Hm, I may have figured it out...
17:34 RobbieF      testing
17:34 TenPlus1     kewl :)
17:36 Krock        RobbieF, perhaps a wrong minetest.conf setting?
17:47 KaadmY       Does an itemstack's `color` meta field transfer to nodes too?
17:48 KaadmY       So for example having color=#ff0000 on stone will place a block of red stone
17:48 TenPlus1     #ff0000 is indeed red :P
17:48 KaadmY       Well yes :P
17:48 Krock        somewhat red, yes
17:48 KaadmY       But will placed items copy their parent itemstack's color?
17:49 KaadmY       Bright red in fact :P
17:49 TenPlus1     hopefully, yes...  I havent studied the new hardware colouring yet
17:49 Krock        real bright red would be pink
17:49 TenPlus1     best option is to check unified dye's and colourd wood for code
17:50 KaadmY       I haven't looked at that mod yet, but it's probably an on_place callback for each tintable node
17:50 Krock        I've seen some PRs for that lying around but myself, I have no clue how to use this whole color-story
17:50 KaadmY       Which seems inefficient
17:50 Krock        yes, u_dyes uses on_place to set the meta afterwards
17:50 KaadmY       :|
17:51 Krock        even the wrench from technic is not like that. However, it preserves the meta
17:51 Krock        or moment *looks up*
17:52 RobbieF      mod_markers is failing  :(
17:52 Krock        well, great. technic is no longer in minetest-technic
17:52 RobbieF      invalid key to 'next'
17:53 Krock        RobbieF, needs an issue on github :P
17:54 TenPlus1     mod markers ?
17:54 KaadmY       So it's a bad idea to typo `undersample = 4` to become `undersample =  54`
17:55 Krock        nah, makes Minetest somewhat retro
17:56 KaadmY       :P
17:56 KaadmY       Like 12x8 res
17:56 Krock        but I'm not getting a performance benefit by doing so - only seems to be a thing for tastes
17:56 Calinou      undersampling can go above 4?
17:56 Calinou      I thought it was 4 at most
17:56 KaadmY       Calinou: nope
17:56 Krock        not limited by code
17:56 KaadmY       It's a resolution divider
17:56 Calinou      also, 1920x1080 performs quite better than 3840x2160 with undersampling = 2 for me
17:56 KaadmY       Yeah
17:57 KaadmY       My GPU is heavily fill rate limited
17:57 Calinou      (even on Windows)
17:57 KaadmY       So undersample = 4 gives me like 20x FPS
17:57 Krock        well... 1280x1024 here. Not much profit
17:58 Calinou      try undersampling = 2000
17:58 Calinou      :D
17:58 Krock        drawtime fixed to 16 ms, no matter how high I set the value
17:59 Krock        *sets to 1000*
17:59 Krock        still 16 ms
17:59 KaadmY       Hm
17:59 KaadmY       I have a pretty shitty GPU too, so..
17:59 KaadmY       Hm I just tried to enable 4x AA
18:00 KaadmY       Like half the framerate but no actual AA
18:00 Krock        profit!
18:00 KaadmY       Oh wait nevermind :P
18:00 KaadmY       I also changed leaf rendering
18:00 Krock        don't forget making them wave
18:00 TenPlus1     lol
18:00 KaadmY       Waving leaves are pretty ugly IMO though :P
18:01 KaadmY       Ditto with waving water
18:01 TenPlus1     I turn all effects off inc. clouds and outlines
18:01 KaadmY       Since they both have tons of mesh intersection issues
18:03 KaadmY       Also is arm inertia in 0.4.16 stable?
18:03 DS-minetest  ><KaadmY> Does an itemstack's `color` meta field transfer to nodes too?
18:03 DS-minetest  no
18:03 KaadmY       DS-minetest: thanks
18:03 Krock        TenPlus1, node outlining too? Isn't it quite hard to see the selected node then?
18:03 TenPlus1     not at all, the tiny crosshair in the middle of the screen tells me where to point at all times :PPP
18:04 KaadmY       Custom crosshairs <3
18:04 DS-minetest  KaadmY: you have to make the paramtype2 to a color one and give the node a palette, the itemstack will have a "palette_index" field
18:04 KaadmY       Yeah, okay
18:08 Krock        well, when trying to dig a node near the range limit, a selection box might be really helpful :P
18:10 Fixer        Calinou: downsample to 320*256px
18:10 Fixer        or whatever it was in doom
18:10 TenPlus1     hah, that'd be crazy n fun :D
18:10 Krock        doom on the apple watch
18:10 TenPlus1     some dude had doom running on the tiny screen on his hp printer :P
18:11 KaadmY       Oh wow I just found out that you can type full words into text lists
18:11 KaadmY       In formspces
18:11 KaadmY       I thought it was only single characters
18:12 Krock        TenPlus1, same for a minecraft player.. was only _slightly_ fake
18:13 TenPlus1     lol
18:15 * KaadmY     yawns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-AnvqiKzjY
18:15 RobbieF      tenplus1 it's a protection mod?
18:16 TenPlus1     oh is that the one sokomine made for areas mod ?
18:18 TenPlus1     you getting an error from the mod ?
18:18 RobbieF      not sure origin (could check if you like) but yes
18:18 TenPlus1     okie
18:18 RobbieF      2017-07-04 14:18:21: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/robbie/.minetest/mods/markers/init.lua:
18:18 RobbieF      2017-07-04 14:18:21: ERROR[Main]: invalid key to 'next'
18:18 RobbieF      2017-07-04 14:18:21: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
18:19 Krock        ...where's the line number in this error?
18:20 Krock        there's also no "next" in init.lua
18:22 TenPlus1     this may sound silly but add    default    to the depends.txt file and see if it work
18:22 RobbieF      k
18:28 KaadmY       ^ same thing I'm getting in Pixture BTW
18:30 KaadmY       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6097
18:30 KaadmY       What function's giving you that error RobbieF ?
18:30 Calinou      Krock: fps_max = 0
18:30 Calinou      to disable FPS cap
18:31 Calinou      (you can do this with /set -n in singleplayer)
18:31 Calinou      ^ we really need a way to set a setting during gameplay other than in singleplayer
18:31 KaadmY       yeah
18:31 TenPlus1     robbie, you got this in minetest.conf:   mod_profiling = false
18:31 KaadmY       Maybe /localset?
18:31 Calinou      it would be a client-side command
18:32 KaadmY       TenPlus1: mod profiling doesn't fix it
18:32 KaadmY       See linked issue
18:32 TenPlus1     for robbie's marker issue
18:32 KaadmY       I'm getting the same issue though
18:33 KaadmY       I can't seem to disable fps_max either
18:33 TenPlus1     in your case it's the 'crafting' mod
18:33 KaadmY       TenPlus1: same issue though
18:34 KaadmY       Same error also through a builtin function
18:34 TenPlus1     it's an error I've never encountered on Xanadu even with all the updating to latest devs
18:37 KaadmY       TenPlus1: are you on Linux?
18:38 TenPlus1     yep
18:38 KaadmY       Hm
18:38 KaadmY       Ditto :|
18:38 KaadmY       Using LuaJIT 5.1
18:38 KaadmY       Don't think I've updated it too recently
18:38 TenPlus1     the server uses Lubuntu 16.04 64-bit using luajit 5.1 and latest mt dev
18:38 KaadmY       Isn't dev kinda unstable right now?
18:38 TenPlus1     nope
18:39 Krock        dev is quite stable right now
18:39 TenPlus1     only issue we get is that damned serialize.h error and that's been happening for over a year now
18:39 KaadmY       dev = git master, I assume?
18:39 TenPlus1     latest in launchpad :)
18:39 TenPlus1     daily builds typically
18:40 TenPlus1     you tried disabling security also: secure.enable_security = false
18:41 KaadmY       Haven't yet
18:42 Krock        dev = git master @ HEAD, yes.
18:44 KaadmY       Same thing with disable mod security
18:44 KaadmY       Isn't it off by default anyway?
18:44 TenPlus1     no idea :P
18:44 TenPlus1     too many things change
18:45 Krock        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/defaultsettings.cpp#L321 on by default
18:45 KaadmY       Hm okay
18:45 KaadmY       What does it do exactly?
18:45 KaadmY       Blacklist specific functions?
18:45 Krock        prevents mods from doing rm -rf /*
18:46 KaadmY       :P
18:46 KaadmY       ^
18:46 TenPlus1     only other settings I tend to change are: send_pre_v25_init = true   and   detailed_profiling = false   but those shouldnt affect thigns that much
18:48 RobbieF      same failure tenplus1
18:49 TenPlus1     if you disable area_markers mod does it come up same error but for a different mod ??
18:49 RobbieF      https://github.com/Sokomine/markers
18:49 RobbieF      will check but can't run it without markers; people's builds will be unprotected?
18:49 Sokomine     without markers as such ought to be no problem. they're just the gui for advanced_areas
18:49 TenPlus1     markers mark an area for areas mod to protect... am sure disabling markers will only disable them alone
18:50 Sokomine     don't deinstall the areas mod (whichever you use). the gui (my markers mod) can be temporally disabled
18:50 RobbieF      hmm okay thanks!
18:50 RobbieF      sokomine have you seen this?
18:50 RobbieF      didn't know you were here-cheers
18:50 Sokomine     er, what?
18:50 Sokomine     just came in and saw my markers mod mentionned
18:50 RobbieF      tenplus1 having disabled markers, the server loads
18:51 RobbieF      sokomine: upgraded to .16. Server won't load if markers is enabled.
18:51 TenPlus1     the error you pasted doesnt say there's anything actually wrong with markers tho
18:51 RobbieF      ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/robbie/.minetest/mods/markers/init.lua:
18:51 RobbieF      ERROR[Main]: invalid key to 'next'
18:51 TenPlus1     just failure to load init.lua
18:51 Sokomine     ah. yes
18:51 Sokomine     upgrade my *replacer* mod
18:51 RobbieF      ?
18:51 TenPlus1     what's the invalid key and 'next' all about
18:51 RobbieF      oh
18:51 RobbieF      there's something not in depends which it depends?
18:52 Sokomine     no idea. ask red. he may know. we ran accross that bug yesterday
18:52 RobbieF      lol
18:52 RobbieF      I don't have replacer
18:52 Sokomine     no, not really. that "invalid key" and "next" is a strage bug or whatever
18:52 Sokomine     hm. then i'll have to check. moment
18:53 RobbieF      thanks
18:54 TenPlus1     http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2013-12-13/text  <-- search for 'next' has explanation of error
18:55 Sokomine     RobbieF: same error, diffrent mod. update markers. it's a small change and ought to run again afterwards
18:55 RobbieF      markers is up to date
18:55 RobbieF      oh
18:55 RobbieF      unless you JUST changed it
18:55 Sokomine     @all: my markers and replacer mod need small updates for newer versions of mt. update if you update your version and get any error messages
18:56 Sokomine     i *just* changed it :-)
18:56 RobbieF      hehe
18:56 RobbieF      k
18:56 RobbieF      thanks - checking
18:56 Sokomine     thanks for reporting
18:56 TenPlus1     you commented out tool capabilities ???
18:56 RobbieF      I didn't even mean to! I was just all "AH, why my server broked?"
18:57 Sokomine     TenPlus1: exactly. those tools (replacer, inspector, land claim register) are not used for digging in any way. they're just tools for rightclick-functionality. somehow newer versions of mt have trouble with that tool capabilities definition
18:57 TenPlus1     ahh, good to know :)
18:58 RobbieF      worked  :D
18:58 Sokomine     when trying to figure out why my replacer didn't work anymore (but other tools did) i subsequently commented out diffrent things. it was obviously the tool_capabilities setting. as that's not needed there i left it commented out. red said something about that issue but i didn't get entirely what he meant by it
18:58 TenPlus1     w00t!
18:58 RobbieF      thanks team awesome.
19:15 TenPlus1     Mobs Redo API updated (on_replace function added)
19:52 TenPlus1     which version was minetest.formspec_escape() added into ?
20:07 TenPlus1     nite folks
20:20 Krock        !tell TenPlus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8966c16a ~0.4.10
20:20 ShadowBot    Krock: O.K.
20:36 Fixer        !tell tenplus1 protredo feat request: protect simple wooden trapdoors from flip
20:36 ShadowBot    Fixer: O.K.
20:41 Krock        protedo frat tequest:
21:38 RobbieF      Thanks again for all your help, awesome peeps. I'm off. Have a great night.
23:07 KaadmY       What's the footer image used for in the menu/ directory?