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00:01 paramat so the ABMs can be set to a very short interval if desired
00:01 VanessaE they're set to 10 seconds I believe
00:01 VanessaE though I really should be using node timers for those.
00:12 paramat yes
00:12 paramat er, maybe
00:13 paramat ABMs ensure growth only when a player is near. time after mapgen doesn't ensure that
00:13 VanessaE if I set a random value between say 5 and 10 seconds, that'll get an average of 10 with a spread that's wide enough to avoid lag spikes
00:13 VanessaE hm, good point.
00:13 VanessaE ok screw it.  ABM it is.
00:13 VanessaE (er, meant "between 5 and 15" above)
00:14 paramat hehe
00:32 paramat found a bug in mgv7 i will fix tonight
00:43 VanessaE oh G*d no!  a BUG!
00:43 VanessaE :)_
00:44 paramat hard to believe
00:44 bigfoot547 This guy did it: (⁰◡⁰)
00:46 VanessaE heh
00:47 bigfoot547 He looks ok, but in the land of unicode, he is a dangerous criminal.
00:49 VanessaE "President Business, we're trying to locate the fugitive, but his face is so generic it matches every other face in our database."  "Diabolical."
00:50 bigfoot547 (⁰◡⁰)
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01:04 paramat <- actually this guy did it :]
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02:07 benrob0329 OK... first impressions
02:07 benrob0329 the keys are louder than im used to
02:07 benrob0329 but probably nothing i can't get used to
02:08 benrob0329 ill have to learn to actually "touch" type, rather than bottom out the keys
02:09 benrob0329 having full keys is certainly nice
02:17 benrob0329 gaming is a bit wierd, as it uses the older style of caps lock + ctrl (they are swapped) although i may be able to swap the keys if its too hard to play
02:17 benrob0329 well, maybe not, they are different sizes
02:25 benrob0329 http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/HSM
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08:09 IhrFussel Hey guys =) my server has a level system and now I want to make the player stronger based on their level... is the best method to "add damage power" to simply use on_hpchange() callback?
08:10 IhrFussel Or should I use on_punch_player() ?
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09:18 Shara Good morning
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09:22 cx384 hi
09:23 Shara hi cx384
09:25 Jordach Shara, http://i.imgur.com/zygBidh.png
09:25 Jordach so i uhh put solar plains on my keyboard
09:26 Shara Hehehe.... I likes
09:26 Shara That is pretty :)
09:26 Jordach even the dirt colours are correct
09:30 red-001 for some reason that reminds me of the guy that hacked his keyboards firmware to play snake on it
09:32 red-001 http://spritesmods.com/?art=rapidisnake&amp;page=5
09:34 Calinou it's not a hack if you're not playing Doom on it
09:35 cx384 That's great!
09:36 red-001 dammit you are right Calinou
09:36 * Calinou installed GZDoom on his phone :D
09:36 red-001 he should have gotten doom to run on that harddrive
09:36 Calinou found an Android port
09:37 Calinou https://github.com/nvllsvm/GZDoom-Android
09:37 Calinou it's a bit out of date, it's not 3.1.0 but it works
09:37 red-001 Calinou, http://spritesmods.com/?art=veccart&amp;page=5
09:37 red-001 vertex doom
09:37 Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/itrunsdoom/
09:39 red-001 more like "it displays a render"
09:39 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0rSt​dHowAg&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=436
09:40 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7b9glYuAXw
09:40 red-001 I mean a lot of ATMs run windows
09:41 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhf_SpO6wA
09:44 red-001 as do those checkout machines
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09:46 red-001 huh
09:46 red-001 I wonder is there a CHDK port of doom yet
09:47 Shara Why must players type in all caps? :(
09:47 Shara Ask them not to... They reply "OK"... then carry on.
09:48 red-001 image running doom on a camera
09:48 red-001 you may say it's pointless but that hasn't stop people before
09:48 Calinou Shara: "OK" is all caps :P
09:49 Shara I know!!
09:49 Shara But I wouldn't mind that being all caps. It's that they don't stop there!
09:50 Shara Also my xban.db went boom again
09:51 Shara Once again after I banned a suspiscious player.
11:12 red-001 huh intersting conindicence it happened at the same time as a spike in troll activity
11:12 Shara I'm not the only one it's happened to either
11:13 Shara Number of issues over the last month or so makes me question why I am running servers.
11:14 Shara Answer... I'm too stubborn to stop :)
11:14 Shara And I simply won't punish my players for this by having them lose the maps they play on
11:18 IhrFussel Can someone point me to a free Linux software that allows me to create entity models in a simple way? The models need to be compatible with MT
11:18 nerzhul blender
11:18 IhrFussel Blender doesn't look simple at all >.<
11:19 nerzhul entity models are not simple
11:19 Calinou IhrFussel: Blender is pretty much your only choice
11:21 IhrFussel There are so many options that I'm sure I don't need at all...
11:21 IhrFussel But okay will give it a try
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12:59 Bobr2 wb octacian
12:59 octacian Thx :D
13:00 Bobr2 no problem :D
13:07 Krock o/ Fixer, octacian
13:07 octacian Morning Krock :D
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13:13 Fixer sandstone.... ow yeahy
13:39 rubenwardy IhrFussel, the node box editor allows you to export .obj models, however they won't be optimised. I'd recommend Blender though
13:52 benrob0329 IhrFussel: blender isn't bad once you get used to it
13:52 rubenwardy that too
13:52 benrob0329 Spacebar brings up a search bar, that way you don't have to remember the keyboard shortcuts right away
13:53 rubenwardy although I still can't work out how to UV map a model
13:53 benrob0329 Its...complicated
13:53 rubenwardy this is the book I was using: https://en.wikibooks.org/wi​ki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
13:54 benrob0329 Ive just used random YouTube tutorials over the years
13:55 Jordach rubenwardy, o u t d a t e d  l i k e  w i n d o w s  7
13:55 Bobr2 lol
13:56 Bobr2 off topic windows 7 is still better than windows ten im my opinion
13:56 Jordach Fixer, http://limowave.com/album/wrestling-wave
13:58 Fixer wrestlemania...
14:00 red-001 huh can I use a table as a key in a lua table?
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14:05 benrob0329 red-001: like you would a Python list or dictionary
14:06 benrob0329 table[1] or table["key"]
14:07 red-001 table[{test=""}] = "what am I doing"
14:07 benrob0329 red-001: that's a sub table
14:08 benrob0329 table["test"] = "what am I doing"
14:08 benrob0329 (Offtopic) http://imgur.com/a/pqEQK
14:08 red-001 thats if you are doing something that makes sense
14:09 red-001 I have a feeling I might have a shitty data structure
14:09 benrob0329 red-001: you could also do
14:09 Krock benrob0329, (Offtopic) now play snake on the background LEDs
14:10 benrob0329 table.test[1] = "what am I doing"
14:10 benrob0329 red-001: that's the right way to to sub tables afaik
14:10 red-001 let me just invert the id and type
14:11 benrob0329 Unless you want table[1][3]
14:12 red-001 well
14:12 benrob0329 Then itd be table = { test = { "what am I doing" } }
14:12 red-001 benrob0329, I need to be able to use either a string or a table as the key since I don't know if the data will be a string or a key
14:13 red-001 and the key is meant to be static
14:13 benrob0329 red-001: what are you trying to do?
14:13 red-001 and the value assigned to it isn't
14:14 red-001 benrob0329, sound type table that also stores the sound id for the currently playing sounds
14:14 red-001 this is suppose to be updated fairly often so I need a fast way to access and change the data
14:15 benrob0329 Just use table["key"] then
14:16 benrob0329 The arguments are named, so it'll work fine
14:16 red-001 benrob0329, the sound data is either a table or a string
14:16 calcul0n it looks like you can, but sounds like a bad idea :)
14:16 benrob0329 Then it'll depend on the argument
14:16 calcul0n t={1, 2} t2={[t]="data"}
14:17 benrob0329 What is that formatting?
14:17 red-001 well I might be going a bit premature optimsation on this
14:17 red-001 I could just store the handle and all the data in a table
14:18 calcul0n it sets the table t as a key
14:18 red-001 that would be a lot cleaner
14:18 benrob0329 table["sub"]["string"]
14:19 benrob0329 But afaik changes to the sound spec arent realtime
14:19 benrob0329 Or are they
14:19 benrob0329 red-001: set the parameters to global variables
14:20 benrob0329 Then change those
14:22 benrob0329 Krock: no backlights here, just Buckling Springs :PP
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14:26 Fixer halk hogan as president?
14:26 Fixer seems believable
14:27 Bobr2 who??
14:28 red-001 donald trump has truely shown everyone they shouldn't give up on thier dream of being president
14:28 benrob0329 At least he knows the system
14:28 benrob0329 (No, lets not get into politics)
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14:29 red-001 hulk hogan or trump?
14:29 Bobr2 good idea
14:29 Bobr2 hi CWz
14:40 * Fixer .oO(You like the bass? It is filtered...)
14:41 Fixer minetest occlusion culling algorithm rendering in tunnels is baad
14:43 Fixer i have no idea how MC renders it so well
14:43 Fixer in MT it is constant blinking at the end of tunnel
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15:02 Fixer ------k, nodeboxes above water blinking like crazy when viewed below water
15:27 IhrFussel Why does read() return NIL in Lua if the file is just empty? Every other language I know returns "" in that case
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15:40 benrob0329 IhrFussel: because Lua returns 0 or NIL for a lot of things
15:40 benrob0329 Both eq to false so..
15:45 IhrFussel benrob0329, no it seems to be version dependend...5.3 doesn't return nil I think but 5.2 does
15:46 calcul0n and 0 is true for lua, which is quite frustrating :)
15:47 Jordach IhrFussel, calcul0n http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/0​18/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256_nqlyaa.jpg
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16:22 Fixer anyone having problems attaching stuff to github?
16:44 red-001 halt/notgrandolf/grandolf sure has a bad connection
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18:05 kaeza greetings
18:12 Jordach rubenwardy, goddamn it's too damn hot
18:13 rubenwardy yeah
18:13 Jordach 31C
18:13 rubenwardy been outside all day
18:13 Jordach roasting in this place
18:13 rubenwardy wow really
18:13 Jordach i had my long hair tied back
18:13 Jordach i can now actually cool down
18:25 Jordach rubenwardy, my tower's friggin fan pressure cooling is bretty gud
18:25 Jordach CPU: 40C, GPU: 43C
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18:36 tenplus1 hi folks
18:36 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
18:36 tenplus1 heyas :p
18:37 Raven262 progress (if i didn't show you already): http://i.imgur.com/0cpJpzn.png
18:38 tenplus1 ooh nice :P still looks creepy stone :DDDDD
18:38 Raven262 :D
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18:39 tenplus1 hi paramat
18:40 tenplus1 I dunno who uses it yet, but Mobs REDO has been updated to 1.27 with CMI support
18:40 tenplus1 *cough* 1.37 even
18:41 Shara Hi 11
18:42 tenplus1 hey shara :P
18:42 Raven262 Hello Shara
18:44 Shara Hi Raven262
18:47 tenplus1 what's new peeps ?
18:48 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
18:48 tenplus1 hi benrob
18:48 benrob0329 http://imgur.com/a/pqEQK
18:48 benrob0329 Unicomp Classic :PP
18:48 tenplus1 o.O image not loading
18:49 benrob0329 Its big, might take a sec
18:49 tenplus1 clicky keyboard :PP
18:49 tenplus1 downloaded as zip and viewed faster than the page loaded
18:50 benrob0329 Buckling Springs ftw!
18:51 benrob0329 Even has a Linux branded super key :PP
18:51 tenplus1 ooh nice :D
18:52 benrob0329 You can get classic meta super
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18:52 benrob0329 *hyper super meta
18:52 benrob0329 Key caps
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18:53 * tenplus1 places a penguin sticker over windows key :D
18:53 tenplus1 hi lisac
18:53 benrob0329 Cheater! :P
18:53 tenplus1 and his "Ubuntu Inside" sticker :P
18:54 tenplus1 http://www.cadmiumpctech.co.uk/shop/image/c​ache/data/stickers/ubuntuBadge-600x600.jpg
18:54 benrob0329 I should order some Gentoo branded stuff
18:55 tenplus1 wb
18:55 Raven262 o/
18:56 Raven262 Damn modem can't survive being thrown to the floor
18:56 tenplus1 not built like they were use to
18:56 Raven262 it just disconnected from the lan actually
18:56 Raven262 but enough to cause trouble
18:57 tenplus1 test your modem here to be sure it's working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtIiV-qDDmU
18:57 Raven262 nah
18:57 Raven262 it works
18:57 Raven262 i know
18:57 Raven262 ask lisac
18:59 tenplus1 o.P
19:01 Bobr2 hello tenplus1
19:01 tenplus1 hi bob
19:01 Bobr2 how are you
19:01 tenplus1 good thx, you ?
19:01 * Bobr2 is in a histarical mood in a good way
19:04 tenplus1 lol, dare I ask :D
19:05 Bobr2 yeah a survival server is claiming to be a survival server even though it doesnt have health or hunger XDXDXDX
19:05 tenplus1 ahahahaha
19:05 Bobr2 i think its hallairous
19:07 tenplus1 maybe you have to survive bad building :P
19:08 Raven262 Or cursing
19:08 Bobr2 or getting limited XD -_-
19:08 VanessaE or you have to survive falls, or attacks from monsters...
19:08 Bobr2 nah only joking no grudges held
19:09 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
19:09 VanessaE hi.
19:09 tenplus1 mebbe they forgot to remove "survival" from serverdescriptino :D
19:09 Bobr2 nah its mm survival
19:10 tenplus1 oops
19:11 Bobr2 yup im admin there as well lol untill some one managed to do a change password on my account and lock me out so i had to get Plebs to ban the name Bobr so no one goes around with the server priv or any other one
19:11 tenplus1 erk
19:12 Bobr2 better than a server getting destroyed
19:13 tenplus1 true... so long as players have fun it's not too important if survival or not
19:13 Bobr2 yeah
19:39 kaeza <tenplus1> I dunno who uses it yet, but Mobs REDO has been updated to 1.27 with CMI support
19:39 kaeza CMI?
19:39 kaeza also hi tenplus1
19:39 tenplus1 CMI (common mob interface)... something raymoo did to make all mobs api's work together (sorta)
19:40 kaeza ah. standards :P
19:40 tenplus1 yeah...  it doesnt slow down mobs redo api so I included it :P
19:40 tenplus1 jsut incase something good comes of it :D
19:40 Fixer "common mob interface"
19:40 Fixer why mtg still does not have this?
19:40 tenplus1 hi fixer
19:41 tenplus1 it has an is_protected function that's filled in by mods, could prolly add cmi to do same for mobs :D
19:42 kaeza I think it could be a nice to experiment with a common and flexible mob API and port it to C++ once it's somewhat stable
19:43 kaeza like it was done with a mapgen(?) recently
19:43 kaeza eh, pathfinding, not mapgen
19:45 tenplus1 new pathfinding mod is really good btw :)))))
19:46 kaeza is it better than the previous algos? I honestly haven't taken a look at it yet
19:47 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=9&amp;t=17406&amp;hilit=pathfind
20:16 Bobr2 how would u send a message with lua with world edit
20:19 kaeza http://i.imgur.com/zSyqiv3.jpg
20:19 tenplus1 lol
20:19 kaeza Bobr2, //lua minetest.chat_send_player("foo", "blah") ?
20:36 tenplus1 nite folks :PP
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21:34 Fixer fuc-
21:34 Fixer forgot to compile debug build
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22:41 Fixer VanessaE: seems VE-S spawn was griefed slightly in few places
22:45 VanessaE Fixer: fix it ;)
22:45 VanessaE also, see my latest comment in #6009
22:45 Fixer VanessaE: fixed some, but i don't have much on hands
22:46 Fixer VanessaE: i have not looked into it, had crashes on VE-S, will check it out
22:47 VanessaE well the short version is, the map-stops-loading bug is repeatable within the same session.
22:48 Fixer VanessaE: wait, your -dev server is quite outdated
22:48 VanessaE I forgot to close my client, so it was left staring out into the void at the edge of unloaded space.  I turned around, found myself standing on an island about 2x2x2 mapblocks in size, floating in an infinite void.
22:48 Fixer VanessaE: can you try updating it?
22:48 VanessaE "quite outdated"?
22:48 Fixer 2 weeks old dev
22:48 Fixer there were tons of changes since
22:48 VanessaE it's running a couple of commits past 0.4.16-stable.
22:49 VanessaE I do not intend to update the server again until 0.4.17 goes out.
22:49 Fixer yeah, but you need to check newest to see if bug maybe was fixed already
22:50 Fixer VanessaE: there were almost 50 commits since then, including major C++11 ones
22:50 VanessaE ....which is why I won't update.
22:50 VanessaE my server doesn't have C++11 support by default.  I don't want to risk breaking anything
22:51 Fixer VanessaE: outdated debian
22:51 Fixer :trollface:
22:51 VanessaE Debian 8.8 is "outdated"?
22:51 Fixer VanessaE: 9 was just released
22:51 VanessaE production server.
22:51 VanessaE I'm not about to do a full OS update on it.
22:52 VanessaE and anyway
22:52 VanessaE this is a client issue, surelyt.
22:52 VanessaE I should not need to update my server to make broken clients happy.
22:52 Fixer whats wrong with them?
22:53 VanessaE um, the map-stops-loading bug?
22:53 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6009
22:53 VanessaE and if a client crashes, fix the client
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23:07 * Jordach rubs hands together
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23:20 * Jordach writes a day night cycle for my keyboard in python

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