Time Nick Message 00:00 Fixer http://www.mdgx.com/upd98me.php 00:00 Fixer http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE 00:01 Fixer http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/118097-day-to-day-running-win-9xme-with-more-than-1-gib-ram/ 00:10 garywhite I want to get you guys' opinion, I want to start a server to hold my school stuff, & I have an option to run either Windows 2000 or Ubuntu. Which is the better choice (I have all Windows PCs & the server would not be connected to the Internet). I also have WinXP Pro, but idk if that'd be the best for a file storage 00:11 bigfoot547 Ubuntu. 00:11 red-001 ubuntu 00:11 red-001 unless you like kinda sort of retro stuff 00:12 garywhite Well, the machine only has an 80GB HDD, so I don't want to try to install anything newer than XP cause of the sheer size of 7/8/10 00:12 red-001 well I suppose it could depend 00:13 red-001 if you need windows spesific stuff use windows 2000 00:15 garywhite what about XP Pro? 00:15 * Jordach just considers installing 2000 00:15 Jordach but i got ME running at 1024x768 with full acceleration without guest addons 00:19 garywhite I think I'll use XP Pro, since that way I can remote desktop in over the network if I want to 00:19 garywhite That with ClamWin & I should be set 00:20 Stone-Talus eww ClamWare 00:21 garywhite Well, I could install Norton from my ISP, but my dad can't get it to work on his XP tower 00:21 Stone-Talus EWWW NORTON 00:21 Stone-Talus EVEN WORSE 00:22 bigfoot547 Zonealarm is better. 00:22 bigfoot547 Has there ever been an antivirus for linux? 00:22 bigfoot547 Excluding mac 00:23 Stone-Talus bigfoot547, linux generally doesnt need it because of the amount of people, changes, and it being open to changes 00:23 red-001 bigfoot547, you forgot to exclude android 00:24 red-001 and mac isn't even linux it's some other unix 00:54 benrob0329 OSX is Unix, with bits of the userland taken from FreeBSD 01:44 Shara Yay. Back to my silly "things need to be written properly" PRs. 01:45 Shara I wonder how many ridiculously trivial things I find :) 01:57 * garywhite finishes installing Windows XP on his system & proceed to install...you guessed it...Office XP 09:37 cx384 hi DS-minetest 09:37 DS-minetest hi 11:05 Fixer garywhite: ubuntu* 12:38 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/A5wG83y.jpg 12:41 * Jordach can hear the duck tales theme played on a kazoo 12:41 Jordach :thinking: 13:00 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL 14:36 Bobr2 hiya all 14:37 shivajiva Hi Bobr 14:37 Bobr2 u ok shiva 14:38 shivajiva mhm 15:04 Bobr2 can any one recomend a good irc bot that is reliable please 15:05 nerzhul mybot 15:05 nerzhul :p 15:05 nerzhul (it's my CPP bot with lua bindings :p) 15:06 nerzhul (it can also connects to slack :p) 15:06 Bobr2 lol never learnt lua 15:06 nerzhul you cannot play minetest without lua :p 15:06 Bobr2 ;p 15:08 Bobr2 reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD 15:19 lisac reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD 15:20 lisac no need to, just figure out basic if/else, while, for loops 15:20 lisac and if you need anything more, you can just google it 15:20 Bobr2 ah ok :) 15:20 * lisac > Opeth - The Moor - [ Still Life #1 ] - [ 02:57 / 11:25 ] 16:23 Bobr2 question what does onlyinfomessages mean 16:27 shivajiva it means it will only log events marked info in the general sense, logging usually has levels like error/debug/action/info 16:29 Bobr2 ah ok there might be a few questions if anything comes up lol 16:29 shivajiva I'm afk for a while shortly 16:29 Bobr2 ok 17:13 Shara Hello all 17:13 Krock ty Bobr2 17:13 Krock hi Shara, everybody else 17:14 Shara Hi Krock :) 17:14 Bobr2 np 17:21 garywhite hello 17:30 Bobr2 hi 17:32 red-001 oh hi paramat 17:32 red-001 is there a reason there isn't a limit on the size of the book or did someone forget to add one/it broke 17:38 paramat don't know :] 17:39 Bobr2 i seem to find /memo serv much easier then a /msg 17:40 red-001 lol 17:40 red-001 how? 17:41 Bobr2 how to memo serv or how it easier 17:41 red-001 how it is easier 17:42 Bobr2 because if they go off line they get informed when they logon 17:46 twoelk books aren't limited? cool, wonder if the bible fits into a minetest book 17:49 benrob0329 Oh hey, you can order a US Linux layout from Unicomp 18:03 Bobr2 red-001 18:04 red-001 yes? 18:04 Bobr2 we talking about xdecor or default books 18:04 red-001 eh default 18:04 Bobr2 okay thanks 18:05 red-001 but anything that stores stuiply large amounts of data in item metadata is at risk 18:06 red-001 and book mods have a bad habbit of doing that 18:06 Bobr2 think that could effect ownerhack:tool since that can change the meta data 18:06 twoelk nooo - lots of data in books can't be a bad habit 18:07 * twoelk looks at his shelves of books 18:07 Bobr2 lol 18:08 twoelk is default books data stored in the map blob? isn't that limited by design? 18:08 sfan5 metadata values are limited to 64k bytes by design 18:10 red-001 I have a feeling someone didn't tell that to whoever was working on dropped items 18:10 Bobr2 i actualy have an idea 18:11 Bobr2 make it so the book cannot be dropped out of the inventory 18:13 twoelk so when I die I keep my books but loose everything else? 18:13 twoelk if the server is set thus 18:13 Raven262 Sounds fun. 18:13 Bobr2 didnt think about that 18:13 rubenwardy nah, I don't like that 18:13 rubenwardy Really it would be good for the book's content to not be stored in the meta - but in a separate database 18:14 rubenwardy with reference counting 18:14 twoelk like the gutenberg mod or the wiki mod? 18:15 rubenwardy it would work exactly the same way to the user 18:15 rubenwardy but it would be more efficient (less copying) and safer (less chance of deleting) 18:15 rubenwardy ie, a moderator could recover a book 18:15 rubenwardy if they chose not to autodelete on reference = 0 18:19 Bobr2 =O = not good 18:20 red-001 you see that would be a good idea 18:20 red-001 there is more slight issue 18:20 red-001 one* 18:20 red-001 someone needs to implement it 18:22 Krock how come the gcc linker is so much faster than MSVC? It took up to three minutes to link all libraries/compiled sources and now on Linux it's like 10s 18:22 * Krock = confused 18:22 Krock hi kaeza 18:22 kaeza hi tenplus1 18:22 kaeza oops 18:22 kaeza :P 18:22 kaeza heyo Krock 18:22 Krock kek 18:23 kaeza how's it going? 18:24 Krock just fine, thanks :) 18:24 Krock how about you? 18:25 Calinou hi 18:25 Krock o/ Calinou 18:25 Calinou I just got an email, I'm accepted into the university I wanted to continue my studies in :) 18:25 Bobr2 o/ 18:25 Bobr2 well done 18:25 Krock wow nice, congrats. 18:25 Calinou now I need to get my degree at this university (ie. pass my internship) 18:25 kaeza Krock, fine I guess 18:26 Krock kaeza, "I guess"?? 18:26 kaeza coding a blog/wiki/whatever in Python 18:26 Krock hssss sshsssss 18:27 kaeza going insane looking at those dangling code blocks with no end markers :( 18:27 Krock sounds interesting. Python alone won't be enough, so there's going to be a HTML page around it? 18:27 kaeza of course :P 18:27 Bobr2 thats one thing i can do HTML XD 18:28 Krock who knows... telnet webblog 18:28 kaeza that would be nice too 18:28 kaeza thanks for the idea :P 18:29 kaeza it's a monolithic Python script (well, monolithic as far as Python goes) 18:29 kaeza around 1000 lines of code 18:30 kaeza I will publish it someday. it is interesting learning what's going on under the hood 18:31 Krock well, if you're reaching 2000 lines you should consider to go away from this monolithic idea 18:31 Krock the overview is quite hard in so large files 18:32 nerzhul use django, and then paf a easy blog :p 18:32 kaeza meh, Django looked like too much cruft for my needs 18:33 Calinou "too much cruft" 18:33 kaeza and I'm more interested in the educational aspect more than "grab some blocks and do it" 18:33 Calinou inb4 ends up writing something as large as Django 18:33 Calinou people making frameworks are *likely* more experienced than you, I think you should trust them :P 18:33 Calinou it's often their job too 18:33 kaeza of course 18:34 nerzhul kaeza, it's interesting to understand a framework, but then you don't have tiem to maintain, there are security problems and you just need jekyll and django for your ruby/python usage 18:34 Bobr2 can any one suggest a good language to start learning coding with 18:35 kaeza nerzhul, I don't intend to submit this to facebook or something for production 18:35 red-001 eh literaly any simple language 18:35 rubenwardy sounds good, kaeza 18:35 Bobr2 such as? 18:35 rubenwardy Flask is awesome 18:35 nerzhul Bobr2, php is the best i think to learn 18:36 red-001 script lanaguages are so similar that learning one should make it easy enough to learn the other ones 18:36 rubenwardy nah 18:36 nerzhul Flask is very nice yes 18:36 rubenwardy don't learn PHP 18:36 kaeza ^ 18:36 kaeza Lua or Python are good 18:36 nerzhul PHP is the most used langage with java, it's the advantage 18:36 red-001 depends on what you want to do 18:36 rubenwardy doesn't mean it's the best to start with, nerzhul 18:36 nerzhul Lua is not good to learn code because it has no object, in PHP you can do procedural and then go to POO 18:36 rubenwardy Bobr2, how old are you? 18:36 rubenwardy nerzhul, tables 18:36 Bobr2 15 18:36 kaeza I myself started with BASIC on a ZX Spectrum :P 18:36 rubenwardy hmmm 18:37 rubenwardy you're on the older end to learn scratch 18:37 rubenwardy I'd go with Python and/or C 18:37 red-001 ^ 18:37 Bobr2 ill learn c 18:37 nerzhul rubenwardy, what, tables ? 18:37 red-001 or if that doesn't work out give javascript a shot 18:37 red-001 node.js is pretty useful 18:37 nerzhul C is not easy to start coding, it just shows you low level machine :p 18:37 nerzhul nodejs is crap for newbies 18:37 nerzhul callback is a specific coding 18:38 Bobr2 then flask? 18:38 rubenwardy nerzhul, it's good as a second language 18:38 red-001 nerzhul, I guess it might be 18:38 red-001 I only abused node.js 18:38 kaeza and it's good to know 18:38 rubenwardy like, it should be a language you learn as a beginner as it teaches you about the machine 18:38 kaeza sooner or later everything boils down to C[++] 18:38 rubenwardy ^ 18:38 nerzhul rubenwardy, oh no, do JS in browser not on servers, nodejs is pure shit and is the worst high performance langage 18:39 rubenwardy *red-001 18:39 nerzhul nodejs servers under high load take too many time to do callback than runthem LOL 18:39 rubenwardy citation 18:39 rubenwardy also, node is clusterisable 18:39 nerzhul rubenwardy, tested myself in production 18:39 nerzhul lol 18:39 rubenwardy with clusters? 18:39 nerzhul every language is clusterisable, define what is a cluster ? 18:40 nerzhul when you bench an app in different languages you should have SAME SYSTEM and SAME ressources and test it on a SINGLE node 18:40 nerzhul nodejs is the most expensive technology in terms of infrastructure 18:40 Bobr2 ill try c++ 18:40 rubenwardy no, Bobr2 18:40 rubenwardy don't do that as a starting language 18:40 kaeza ^ 18:40 rubenwardy do C instead of C++ 18:40 Bobr2 ok will do 18:40 rubenwardy C++ is a clusterf*** 18:40 kaeza C++ is a cluster.. 18:40 kaeza .. 18:41 nerzhul these days in web server in terms of performance if you have very good devs you have: python/ruby < nodejs < PHP 5 < PHP 7 < java < golang 18:41 nerzhul and cluster only means multiple nodes 18:41 Bobr2 and code academy?? good place to learn it 18:41 nerzhul if you make a app server clustered you just do the worst case app :p 18:41 kaeza rubenwardy, ha 18:41 nerzhul app should be stateless if you want to distribute your app 18:42 nerzhul (crew me, at work we have 35 java applications in production across 150 servers) 18:42 nerzhul we have legacy 10 years old monolith, younger two layer apps (front js + front web servce + back webserver) and now microservices 18:43 kaeza http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/ars_longa_vita_brevis.png 18:43 kaeza ^ oblig 18:43 nerzhul https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2jdnsb/nodejs_is_cancer/ 18:43 nerzhul https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12338365 18:44 rubenwardy Controversial: I like JS as a language 18:44 nerzhul https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4495101 18:44 nerzhul JS is a good language for browsers and the worst langauge for servers 18:44 rubenwardy I prefer Python flask for more complicated backends though 18:44 nerzhul for personnal project i agree flask is nice 18:45 nerzhul for high performance without doubt: PHP 7.1, Java8, Golang or C++ 18:45 nerzhul Java8 with a netty app server 18:45 rubenwardy I do PHP at work 18:45 nerzhul which version ? 18:45 rubenwardy it's not good 18:45 rubenwardy mixed 18:45 rubenwardy PHP5 mainly, newer ones are PHP7 18:45 nerzhul it's not good if you do shit and your server admin forget to configure the PHP VM 18:45 nerzhul nice 18:46 nerzhul do you use frameworks like symfony or silex ? 18:46 rubenwardy I mainly do Android though 18:46 rubenwardy Symfony 18:46 nerzhul nice 18:46 nerzhul silex is a very nice webservice thing, like flask 18:46 nerzhul and do you use doctrine and/or ORM ? 18:46 rubenwardy doctrine 18:49 nerzhul is APCu enabled on the web servers ? does PHP has sufficient memory ? is the database server correctly tuned (memory, indices, disks ?) 18:49 nerzhul is PHP running on a UNIX server, Windows ? uses PHP-FPM or apache ? 18:50 nerzhul APCu is a big performance enhancement if your code is tuned correctly, it's PHP bytecode 18:51 rubenwardy it's a centos computer, with apache 18:51 nerzhul it's more difficult to build maximum performance PHP app, as the language is very permissive and you can easily do real shit, unlike java or golang 18:51 rubenwardy s/computer/server/g 18:51 nerzhul okay :) 18:52 rubenwardy production and staging, anyway 18:52 rubenwardy for dev I use php-fpm 18:52 nerzhul yeah FPM is sufficient for dev heh :) 18:52 nerzhul and do you build your SQL queries or do you use doctrine ORM ? 18:52 rubenwardy and I doubt the memory is enough, each page is like 2 seconds to load on the server 18:52 nerzhul database loading is slow ? 18:52 rubenwardy when I say "production" I mean the client's database 18:52 nerzhul or is this disk problem ? 18:53 nerzhul don't forget database needs to be loved 18:53 rubenwardy like, staging is for internal testing, production for client testing 18:53 rubenwardy doctrine ORM as much as possible, but there isn't that much data 18:53 nerzhul then ORM is your problem 18:53 nerzhul like in every language 18:54 nerzhul ORM = OhRapemyMemory 18:54 rubenwardy ORM is unnoticable in Python/Flask and Javascript/Sequelize 18:54 nerzhul it depend on the dataset 18:54 nerzhul ORM caches are the worst case and will load many data you don't need 18:55 rubenwardy nah, the server's just awful 18:55 nerzhul also ORM = you don't know what query is sent to server 18:55 nerzhul => is the query using database indices ? 18:55 nerzhul it's generally why ORM are bad: indices are not easy to track and you can do shit easily, you load more data than you need then memory usage is too huge 18:56 * Fixer .oO(Incorporeal Visions Deluxe - 詩 Desktop) 18:57 Calinou ORMs are fine to me 18:57 Calinou writing SQL by hand sucks 18:57 Calinou face it :P 18:58 rubenwardy for the size of the dataset, indices shouldn't matter 18:58 Calinou (and can end up being insecure) 18:58 rubenwardy like, a linear search would be unnoticable 18:58 Calinou most people aren't making Facebook 18:58 Calinou they're making tiny-scale sites 19:01 ircSparky can I butt in for a sec? 19:02 nerzhul Calinou, yeah i know many devs are like you, but at a moment when you have more than 10 row in your table (i talk about 1 million or more) ORM is just shit 19:02 kaeza ircSparky, no :) 19:02 ircSparky darn :P 19:02 kaeza heyo 19:02 nerzhul their intelligence trigger just high memory usage, server high useless loading times etc 19:02 shivajiva make a space for ircSpark's butt :) 19:02 Bobr2 hey sparky 19:04 nerzhul good dev = dev who care about where he interact, bad dev is dev who only thinks about his code, we had them at work, we fired them, they cost money by making infrastructure more expensive and they cost human money too because ORM problems trigger DBA and ops (i'm ops) time to find what shit they do with their ORM, then they cost too much :) 19:04 Fixer amazing https://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/2017/06/14/hacking-flight-simulator-4-multiple-monitors/ 19:05 shivajiva nerzhul: nicely put 19:05 Calinou I'm wary of "anti-something" cliques in programming in general 19:05 Calinou it always hides something 19:06 kaeza except PHP 19:06 kaeza anti-PHP is fine 19:06 Calinou no, it's not :P 19:06 kaeza :P 19:06 nerzhul ORM hides shit, keep your shit in your PC and don't send it to prod just that :p 19:06 rubenwardy ORMs are good for update/insert, reduces copy+paste 19:06 nerzhul and always care about your database it's your friend 19:06 nerzhul ORM are shit for insert/updates :p 19:06 nerzhul if you mean with databases 19:06 rubenwardy a good dev writes maintainable code, and reduces work for themselves and others 19:07 shivajiva ^ 19:08 nerzhul maintainable code which cost 5k per month is not maintable 19:08 nerzhul you can do maintainable code which good code design and function, orm just permit to do easily PoC 19:09 nerzhul and a good dev yes reduce work, but not by using ORM, just by adding unit tests, integration tests, comments and architecture docs 19:09 * Calinou uses Webpack at his internship now :D 19:09 Calinou but integrating obscure libraries (that aren't published to npm) with it is a mess :( 19:10 Calinou even jQuery doesn't feel very clean to use with 19:10 Calinou (it's fully supported though) 19:10 Calinou also, ESLint and Stylelint 19:10 rubenwardy for everything that doesn't have millions of users per day, ORM is a very good choice 19:10 nerzhul we are software editor since 12 years and we estimated ~10% infrastructure cost per year is lost due to ORM usage 19:10 nerzhul i have 20k users per day and only 200GB content databases 19:11 Calinou did you sue Doctrine developers? :D 19:11 tenplus1 hi folks 19:11 nerzhul my infrastructure is 150 servers and costs 650k€ per year 19:11 nerzhul 10% are lost with ORM at least 19:11 shivajiva Hi ten :) 19:11 tenplus1 hi shiva, nrz :P 19:11 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1 19:11 nerzhul that means 1 or 2 developpers or 65k redistributed as primes at the end of the year to the people 19:12 tenplus1 hi bigfoot 19:12 nerzhul (~2k per people, we are ~40 people in the software & ops team) 19:12 Bobr2 hello 11 19:13 tenplus1 hi bob 19:13 nerzhul and i estimated switching from java to go permits to reduce ~20% infrastructure costs too :p 19:13 Bobr2 got a new name for u 11minus2 19:13 kaeza hi tenplus1 19:13 rubenwardy how much is lost in dev time though? 19:13 tenplus1 hi kaeza 19:13 tenplus1 hi ruben :D 19:13 rubenwardy lol hi 19:13 tenplus1 lol bob 19:13 kaeza first! 19:13 Bobr2 that dont even make sense 19:13 nerzhul not many 19:14 nerzhul because we have a data team which help them to build their query and design the databases correctly 19:14 nerzhul (it's relatively recent) 19:15 nerzhul the data team design the content databases (we are software editor and provider for vehicles, our clients are PSA, Ford, Renault for example) we have big databases which contains all existing vehicles , pieces and documentations on how to repair each vehicle part on cars and trucks 19:16 nerzhul our users can buy those pieces we interact with distributors to know the prices and available amounts in their stocks, and do many complex things with our content and partneers :) 19:17 * tenplus1 is lost 19:17 nerzhul it's a complexe relational scheme, and ORM are not designed for that 19:17 kaeza tenplus1, I think you're there → 19:18 tenplus1 :P 19:18 nerzhul you have 3 tables and want to show a product fast, use it, you want to do high quality scalable product in production ? do it ourself :p 19:18 kaeza tenplus1, you even have a shiny '@' :P 19:18 tenplus1 oooooh shiny o.O 19:19 * Bobr2 is hungry 19:19 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/e39973e3-that-point-where-you-gave-up-being-subtle.jpg 19:20 Bobr2 and quite confused 19:20 kaeza Bobr2, you need some löve 19:21 kaeza http://love2d.org 19:21 Fixer YES 19:21 Fixer was googling just this 19:21 Fixer Mari0 and such 19:21 tenplus1 hi Fixer 19:21 Bobr2 lol 19:21 Fixer hi 19:21 tenplus1 hi lisac 19:22 tenplus1 *bookmarked* :DDD 19:24 kaeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySNDZVQ8sI 19:26 kaeza ^ that project sadly died with the HDD :(( 19:27 rubenwardy oh cool, kaeza 19:28 rubenwardy Do you have anything left of it? :( 19:28 kaeza zilch 19:28 rubenwardy I lost a 64GB USB with 10s of small games :/ 19:28 rubenwardy I know back up everything using Git 19:28 rubenwardy *now 19:29 kaeza one does not simply think about backups... 19:29 kaeza until the inevitable happens :( 19:29 tenplus1 *cough*... back's everything up daily 19:33 Bobr2 cough cough doesnt know how to back up cough cough 19:33 rubenwardy Bobr2, what files do you have? 19:33 rubenwardy like, type 19:33 tenplus1 heh... usb flash drive, copy any important files onto it :D 19:34 rubenwardy for code: git and private repo 19:34 bigfoot547 I don't have the money for a private repo... 19:34 Bobr2 idk i think DI3 does the backing up for my server cuz he hosts it 19:34 rubenwardy bigfoot547, are you a student per chance? ie: have a .ac.* address 19:34 rubenwardy bigfoot547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free 19:35 bigfoot547 Ok 19:35 garywhite what do mobs horses eat? 19:35 rubenwardy for video/images/games: google photos / apple cloud / dropbox / external hdd / multiple of the above 19:35 tenplus1 wheat 19:35 tenplus1 and apples 19:35 garywhite ok, thanks 11 19:35 rubenwardy tenplus1, USB drives won't be very good if your house burns down 19:36 rubenwardy so redundancy is good 19:36 bigfoot547 I have an old external scsi 500 gb hdd with one bad sector. 19:36 bigfoot547 It makes a lot of noise 19:36 * tenplus1 always has flash drive in wallet :D 19:37 Bobr2 why? 19:37 tenplus1 back up files and keeps it close/safe 19:38 * Bobr2 doesnt know where his usb is XD 19:39 tenplus1 :p 19:39 tenplus1 in fact, I have a 16gb flash with Xubuntu 16.04 loaded and a 2nd partition with my files... that way I always have access to them also on any pc 19:40 Bobr2 or u could just use SSH 19:40 tenplus1 nah 19:40 tenplus1 dont like depenging on internet 19:41 * Bobr2 just relised the time 19:45 Jordach IT'S HIGH NOON 19:45 bigfoot547 Nooo, 2:45 19:45 tenplus1 hi Jordach 19:45 tenplus1 20:45 here 19:50 Bobr2 same 12 19:52 * Bobr2 was looking for his usb and found a golf ball 19:54 paramat game 1543 is merged, nerz suggests a better priv name, can anyone think of one? 19:54 Bobr2 priv nzmd 19:54 Bobr2 name for what if i may ask 19:54 tenplus1 hi paramount studious 19:55 tenplus1 :P 19:56 tenplus1 w00t, thanks 19:56 Shara Why should it need a better name? 19:56 tenplus1 creative priv is exactly what it is... 19:56 Shara Pretty much everyone knows exactly what it means as it is 19:56 tenplus1 giving access to creative inventory, unlimited 'creative' placement 19:57 Shara Any other name would likely be more confusing 19:57 tenplus1 agreed... 19:57 tenplus1 every player seems to know what creative means 19:58 Bobr2 i got a good name 19:58 Bobr2 yatop 19:58 tenplus1 lol 19:58 Bobr2 you are to op 19:58 Bobr2 or you are to over prived 20:02 bigfoot547 Bobr2, s/to/too 20:03 Bobr2 what does that mean 20:04 bigfoot547 It means replace to with too 20:04 Bobr2 ah lol 20:04 bigfoot547 Go onto ##forthenerds and see it actually work 20:05 Bobr2 im on there what do i do 20:05 bigfoot547 Type someting 20:06 Bobr2 ok 20:15 kaeza bigfoot_547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free 20:15 kaeza nice, didn't know that 20:16 Bobr2 that bot is amazinf 20:16 Fuchs as does gitlab 20:16 Bobr2 hi Fuchs 20:16 Fuchs yes, hi 20:17 kaeza I was using private gists as backups :P 20:18 kaeza and Dropbox for heavier stuff 20:19 * Bobr2 might add a sopel bot in to AMHI 20:20 Fuchs I am using an external harddrive attached to my server for backups, and one external server for _really_ important backups (family pictures I'd care about if lost, gpg keys) 20:21 bigfoot547 Should I be using a hdd w/ a bad sector? 20:21 Bobr2 no dont think so 20:21 Fuchs I'd give it a smart test, mount it read only and do a backup 20:21 Fuchs then not use it for anything important 20:21 tenplus1 + 20:21 tenplus1 +1 20:22 Bobr2 9+10+221 20:22 Bobr2 21 20:22 tenplus1 unless you can pad the bad sectors 20:22 kaeza duct tape works? 20:22 tenplus1 lol 20:22 bigfoot547 What does padding entail? 20:23 Bobr2 i would suggest polystrine XD 20:23 tenplus1 if you know where the bad sectors lay you can re-create partitions avoiding that area 20:23 nerzhul bigfoot547, private repositories on gitlab.com are illimited 20:23 nerzhul only CI have limited time 20:24 Bobr2 what does the slang ngl mean 20:25 bigfoot547 Thanks nerzhul 20:26 paramat yeah i have no problem with the priv name 20:26 tenplus1 glad to hear :D 20:30 tenplus1 nite folks :PPPp 21:52 red-001 oh neat minetest got updated in the arch repo 22:31 Fixer https://twitter.com/darkstockphotos 22:38 Fixer time to test some PRs / increases volume on *SECRETS OF MY AGE* 23:07 Fixer 300 fps in beta 1.7.3 -_ 23:07 Fixer - 23:20 VaultyTowers ITS RICHARD NIXON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH