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02:28 garywhite My client just crashed for no reason (0.4.16 on a 0.4.15 server)
02:28 bigfoot547 With what error messages? Was it a segfault?
02:31 bigfoot547 ?
02:34 garywhite It just said (Not Responding)
02:35 garywhite & then Windows said it had stopped responding, then the window just closed itself
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02:35 garywhite Like everything in Windows crashes
03:03 benrob0329 Everyone does realise that offtopic is just as cancerous as before, right?
03:03 benrob0329 VanessaE, sfan5, Calinou
03:04 VanessaE zzz
03:04 benrob0329 Lol
03:05 benrob0329 Perhaps you could appoint some people to be offtopic moderators
03:05 VanessaE I have no such authority
03:05 benrob0329 Keep it under control
03:05 kaeza celeron55, ^
03:05 VanessaE I can delete posts and such, but I don't police offtopic if I can possibly avoid it
03:05 benrob0329 ( celeron55 )
03:05 VanessaE I'd like to keep my sanity :P
03:05 kaeza nuke it from orbit
03:05 benrob0329 We did that
03:06 benrob0329 That left a void
03:06 benrob0329 Filled up with backwash crap
03:06 kaeza nuke the users too?
03:06 benrob0329 Nah, just set guidelines
03:06 kaeza it's just 3 or 4 that turn all threads to sh¡t
03:07 benrob0329 Rename it to "The Break Room" or something
03:08 benrob0329 Keeping it appropriate, and somewhat constructive
03:08 benrob0329 Make a "Game Table" subforum
03:08 kaeza nah, redirect to /b/
03:08 benrob0329 *sigh*
03:09 kaeza or goatse.cx or whatever the domain is now
03:09 benrob0329 An offtopic section can help make forums fun
03:09 kaeza too much?
03:09 benrob0329 It just doesn't need to be for shitposting
03:14 benrob0329 Think of it like this
03:15 benrob0329 If you clean out a junk drawer, but don't put any organisers in it, its just going to become a junk drawer again
03:19 bigfoot547 ^ +1
03:19 bigfoot547 Sage advice...
03:23 benrob0329 So, yes you split it up and renamed it
03:23 benrob0329 But no one knows what the hell "On-Topic" means
03:24 benrob0329 And you didn't do it in a clear, consistent way
03:27 benrob0329 What im seeing is that MT forums is growing much faster than ot was expected to
03:27 benrob0329 And without a real gameplan
03:28 benrob0329 The problems we see today, will only get worse of you do not correct them whilst they are small
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04:05 bigfoot547 Night guys!
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05:54 Calinou benrob0329: I think I realized it already, but thanks :)
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06:22 Hijiri off-topic should get specific (non-minetest-related) boards
06:28 Calinou how many of them though? :P
06:28 Calinou and that wouldn't solve the problem anyway
06:28 Calinou the problem here is purely the people who use it regularly
08:01 CWz hmm we need figit spinners in minetest, when used all mobs on server attack player using it
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08:02 tenplus1 hi folks
08:02 Thomas-S Hi, tenplus1!
08:02 tenplus1 mornin thomas
08:11 Shara Morning all
08:11 tenplus1 hi Shara
08:11 Shara Hi 11
08:11 tenplus1 :P
08:12 Shara How's it going?
08:13 tenplus1 chore day :PPPP you ?
08:13 Shara Last day before scary-exam-of-doom!
08:13 tenplus1 erk...  good luck
08:13 Shara :)
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08:15 tenplus1 hi nrz
08:18 nerzhul hi tenplus1
08:18 Shara Hi nerzhul
08:19 tenplus1 today is the day I go cold turkey....
08:19 Shara From what?
08:20 tenplus1 Adobe Flash
08:20 Shara Good luck :P
08:20 tenplus1 thx... am finding too many issues
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08:25 tenplus1 hi Cal
08:30 tenplus1 4 minutes without Flash plugin...  *itches*
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09:01 Calinou hi tenplus1
09:01 tenplus1 hi DS-minetest
09:01 tenplus1 what's new Cal
09:01 DS-minetest hi tenplus1
09:02 Calinou tenplus1: working on the Symfony app :p
09:02 tenplus1 whassat ./
09:02 Calinou for internship
09:02 Calinou also trying to figure out CSS animations...
09:03 tenplus1 ooh, sounds a lotta work
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09:07 tenplus1 hi fussel
09:07 IhrFussel Hello there...why did 0.4.16 ship with "half broken" settings?
09:07 tenplus1 which ones ?
09:08 IhrFussel Undersampling doesn't work on Android and it doesn't work on OpenGL 1.X either (just black screen)
09:08 tenplus1 pass!
09:09 IhrFussel My Android isn't deprecated either (4.4.2 which is still widely used)
09:15 Calinou pretty sure it's more or less deprecated by Google already :P
09:15 Calinou I haven't tried undersampling on my device ere, need to find the minetest.conf first
09:17 Calinou thing is, if I browse my device via SFTP, I see net.minetest.minetest folder, a files/ folder inside but no minetest.conf
09:17 IhrFussel Many devices still ship with 4.4 (mainly the cheaper ones) ... but it doesn't matter, my point is it should TELL you in the settings that it only works for OpenGL X.X+ and Android X.X+ at least
09:17 Calinou there's another folder, also empty
09:18 Calinou ok, found it
09:18 Calinou made the SFTP server start at device root, so I have access to everything
09:18 Calinou IhrFussel: "Feature checking? Who needs that?" ;)
09:20 Calinou IhrFussel: but you are right, it doesn't seem to work with shaders off and the default renderer (which I think, is GLES 1.0?)
09:20 Calinou just tried here
09:21 IhrFussel I thought Minetest was originally supposed to be a voxel game that people with OLD computers could also enjoy...did that change?
09:23 * tenplus1 flashes fussels android to 6.0
09:23 Calinou if you enable shaders with the default configuraton, everything turns red :D
09:24 Calinou IhrFussel: open source never has been about "old computers"; it's a lie
09:24 Calinou people seem to be misunderstanding a lot, but this is not the project vision of most OSS projects
09:24 Calinou ...including Minetest
09:24 Calinou (at least, in my opinion)
09:25 nerzhul IhrFussel, 0.5 will make some old systems less happy as we will switch to C++11 support, bye bye windows xp
09:26 Calinou yeah, Windows XP support will be gone, same for Ubuntu < 14.04 (and 14.04 will likely require Clang or a PPA)
09:26 IhrFussel I wasn't talking about the OSS aspect, I was talking about how lightweight Minetest is and I think several core devs said somewhere that it's optimized for older PCs as well ... now I enabled shaders and still see everything black EXCEPT for a few colorful pixels in the top left corner
09:26 Calinou Minetest is not really lightweight anymore
09:26 Calinou it's a full-fledged game and engine, and Minecraft has been shown to be more optimized
09:27 nerzhul minetest is not very lightweight, it consume many memory
09:27 nerzhul shaders on android are just pain
09:28 IhrFussel Calinou, Minetest is lightweight when my PC that runs on a singlecore Celeron and 768 MB RAM and a 128 MB GPU...can handle it
09:28 nerzhul IhrFussel, i think you don't load many mapblocks :p
09:28 nerzhul nobody really maintain android, i tried to improve a little bit situation but OpenGL 1.X is just bad
09:29 Calinou yeah, with enjoyable gameplay settings (view range 120 or above), you're definitely not getting 60 FPS
09:29 Calinou nerzhul: and Irrlicht doesn't have GLES 3.0 renderer :(
09:29 Calinou which is the first decent GLES version
09:29 nerzhul Calinou, yes...
09:29 IhrFussel Of course I reduced the view but my point is it's playable with certain settings...I don't believe one sec that Minecraft becoes playable on my machine no matter how much I change settings
09:29 nerzhul minecraft required java 7 at least and it's not compatible wit ha such configuration :p
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09:33 tenplus1 hi dts
09:33 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated to 2.1, added new 'protector_night_pvp' setting
09:43 IhrFussel To each their own I guess...I don't need a view range of 120 and I also don't need 60 FPS...I'm TOTALLY happy with 25-30 FPS and a viewing range of 30 - 50 ... my point still stands: Why do you include settings WITHOUT warning that they only work for newer GPUs
09:45 Shara IhrFussel: why not post an issue and ask for a warning of some kind to be added?
09:47 IhrFussel Shara, first I wanted to hear possible reasons by the devs themselves before I open one
09:47 IhrFussel or read*
09:47 Calinou there's no point in adding a warning
09:47 Calinou instead, the checkbox should be grayed out with some kind of tooltip :P
09:47 Calinou but that needs to be done with feature detection
09:48 IhrFussel And since nobody wants to bother with that I will simply request a warning...it's just a TEXT, nothing to code
09:49 tenplus1 if engine detects android <5.0 then it prints a warning telling player to get a better phone :DDD
09:49 IhrFussel tenplus1, sorry but you don't seem to care about poor people who cannot buy recent phones with the newest Android 99.9
09:50 tenplus1 fussel, why so serious... was a joke
09:52 IhrFussel Cause I see it as a major flaw...IMAGINE someone with Android 4.4 (or lower) now downloads Minetest, checks the advanced settings and changes  A LOT ... then the person wants to play in the world and suddenly BLACK SCREEN...the problem is the person doesn't know which setting caused that
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09:53 tenplus1 hi lisac
09:53 tenplus1 if it works ok without shaders then maybe they should come disabled by default on android devices
09:54 lisac Hi tenplus1
09:54 * Shara wonders if there is a way to grey out options...
09:54 IhrFussel tenplus1, it neither works with shaders enabled or disabled...at least not on 4.4 (not sure which OpenGL ES version is required)
09:54 Shara Either way, probably won't happen without an issue
09:55 Calinou Shara: already possible, see shader options dropdown when shaders are disabled
09:55 tenplus1 true, write up an issue Fussel
09:55 Calinou IhrFussel: Android 4.4 has GLES 2.0
09:55 Calinou your device needs to support it, but remember, GLES 2.0 was released in 2007
09:55 Calinou so pretty much all Android 4.x devices have it, I believe
09:55 Shara Make an issue with full details of the problem, and maybe someone will make a PR with an answer to it
09:56 Shara It's not one I can offer to even look at myself though, because I don't play from android.
09:57 IhrFussel Calinou, then why did you remove the option to change the GL ES version? Is it somewhere buried in advanced settings now? It was in the basic settings menu before
09:57 IhrFussel why did they*
09:58 Calinou it's hidden and defaulted to GLES 1.0 now, IIRC
09:58 Calinou and the Advanced Settings menu is only made for desktop renderers
09:58 Calinou so it does not mention either gles1 or gles2
09:58 Calinou but only opengl, software, burningsvideo...
09:59 IhrFussel 0.4.14 had it in the basic settings IIRC
09:59 IhrFussel on Android
09:59 Calinou I don't know why it was removed, perhaps GLES 2.0 was deemed too buggy/slow
10:01 IhrFussel Can you tell me the name of the setting? It's a real PAIN to navigate the advanced settings on a touchscreen
10:02 tenplus1 have you ever tried cyanogen mod to upgrade your phone to a newer version ?
10:04 IhrFussel Is it "video_driver"? It only lists "opengl" I can't choose a version to use ... tenplus1 I don't want to lose the warranty on my phone
10:05 tenplus1 may I ask what make/model phone you have ?
10:07 IhrFussel HUAWEI Y625
10:09 tenplus1 am kinda surprised they still sell mobile phones with android versions below 5.0 in this day and age
10:09 tenplus1 my Lenovo B came with 6.01 and was only 60 quid
10:14 IhrFussel tenplus1, my phone is 1 year old now and it was $99 ... now it's probably only $70 or $80 anymore
10:14 Calinou more like $40 :P
10:14 Calinou Android phones devalue fairly quickly, in my experience
10:14 tenplus1 cause they are just phones...  they have no fashion value associated to them like iphone
10:15 tenplus1 but I'd rather have an android :)
10:15 IhrFussel Calinou, if you buy it directly from the manufacturer it will cost more than $40 still :P
10:17 IhrFussel Also yes there are cheap Android 5.0+ phones/tablets but they mostly don't have enough RAM
10:18 IhrFussel My phone was the ONLY one at my local store with quadcore and 1 GB RAM for < $100
10:19 IhrFussel If you only need 512 MB RAM you can get one for $30
10:26 IhrFussel Creating the issue now
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10:42 tenplus1 hi fixer
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10:50 tenplus1 hi cx384
10:50 cx384 hi tenplus1 :)
11:28 tenplus1 Xanadu is supposed to be a medeival survival server, but the players have sorta banded into helpful groups and made public farms/forests for all to take... makes things too easy :PPPPP
11:34 Shara DL has gone the other way. It's now completely possible for a new player to starve before finding food
11:34 tenplus1 ahh, true survival... ehehe
11:34 red-NaN multiple times
11:35 tenplus1 that's why I go on a killing spree with the wildlife before doing anything :P helps
11:35 tenplus1 ehehehehe
11:35 Shara The moderator running the public farm insists it's still public... but he protected it.
11:35 Shara He can't seem to understand what that means for new players :)
11:35 tenplus1 shame...
11:36 Shara After tomorrow I will start changing things there
11:36 tenplus1 xanadu is running today's protector changes...  if the players agree we'll enable the protector_night_pvp mode :D
11:36 Shara Hehe
11:37 Shara We seem to like copying each other :P
11:37 Shara Though I really hope I don't need to keep DL locked down for too long....
11:37 tenplus1 only IF the players agree...  server is always kept up to date tho
11:40 tenplus1 brb
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12:09 red-NaN @server owners: Are custom chat messages sent by CSM a major concern?
12:09 tenplus1 yes
12:09 tenplus1 players would mimic any player or admin and fool many people
12:09 VanessaE red-NaN: they are if they're not rate- and length-limited
12:09 red-NaN they are currently rate limited
12:10 * Jordach considers creating a central auth server
12:10 sfan5 are csm sent msgs any different than normal msg?
12:10 red-NaN no
12:10 sfan5 then tenplus1's concern does not apply
12:10 red-NaN CSM messages are treated by the server the same normal messages are
12:10 nerzhul CSM messages = sending chat message like regular way
12:10 nerzhul it just permit to hide some server commands inside GUIs for example
12:11 nerzhul (because we removed chat prediction heh)
12:11 red-NaN well if you use diffrent colours for admins in chat it then that could be an issue
12:11 red-NaN but I'm planning to make a server-sided fix for that
12:12 tenplus1 so long as we have an option available to disable CSM on servers or better yet, an optino to only allow CSM mods FROM the server itself
12:13 sfan5 that would make csm way less useful though (the last proposal)
12:13 Amaz I would love it if the server could send CSM mods :)
12:13 nerzhul we are working on CSM flavours do you prefer to disallow API for sending chat messages (not client manually written chat messages) or control client rate limiting (which is actually same as default server limits)
12:14 tenplus1 +1 amaz
12:14 nerzhul yeah you want it and we listened to you but there are major concerns to do it's why we didn't try to ship it in this 0.4.16 , first have an API usage for users and see what happens, second enhance
12:15 nerzhul for who/who_plus mod was exactly why CSM was designed at first step :)
12:15 red-NaN could I suggest a solution for length limiting?
12:15 nerzhul message length ?
12:15 red-NaN just break long messages into smaller sub messages
12:15 red-NaN and then do regular rate limiting
12:16 nerzhul it can break some long commands i think
12:16 red-NaN well have a reasonable limit like 100 chars
12:16 nerzhul better is to refuse that in API because it's non printable and not our job to split them
12:16 red-NaN well that could work too
12:17 VanessaE no don't do that
12:17 tenplus1 hi red, hi Vanessa
12:17 VanessaE someone sends a 1k block of spam...  bam, dozens of messages
12:17 red-NaN VanessaE, I was suggesting puting it through regular rate limiting
12:17 VanessaE limit the message length to 256 chars, and rate-limit to like once every 10 seconds or so, depending on length
12:18 red-NaN which is 8 messages per 10s
12:18 VanessaE red-NaN: the problem is, the sender loads up their 1k of text, presses send...
12:18 VanessaE now you have.........spam...spam...spam...spam...spam...
12:18 red-NaN oh yeah I forgot about the message queue
12:18 VanessaE (imagine a short delay for each "...")
12:18 red-NaN alright thats a good point
12:19 nerzhul message queue is only client side
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12:19 nerzhul server limits and discards messages
12:19 nerzhul message queue can send messages, but they will be refused by server :p
12:19 tenplus1 hi raven
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12:26 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
12:28 DI3HARD139 hello
12:29 DI3HARD139 Quick question for the group. Can I use Non-Volatile memory as standard ram??
12:29 Calinou DI3HARD139: yes, I've heard of NAND RAM (so you have lots of it) but it's very slow
12:29 DI3HARD139 I ordered 2 4x4GB ram kits and apparently they were non volatile ram kits
12:29 Calinou but they'd be huge in terms of capacity
12:29 Calinou benchmark their speed
12:29 Calinou if it's < 10,000 MB/s in sequential, that might be the case
12:30 DI3HARD139 Gotta reseat the ram. one sec
12:30 sfan5 you can get nand in dimm format?
12:30 Calinou sfan5: I saw that, but that was years ago
12:30 DI3HARD139 Guess so. They were Micron branded but apparently Cypress Technology made them
12:31 sfan5 apparently these actually exist http://www.agigatech.com/ddr3.php
12:32 DI3HARD139 and those are the exact ones I got :P
12:32 DI3HARD139 #Failing
12:32 sfan5 those sound like they would be either 1) a lot more expensive or 2) a lot slower
12:32 DI3HARD139 Both
12:33 DI3HARD139 Looks like I gotta order another ram kit....
12:33 sfan5 so you didn't even compare prices?
12:33 DI3HARD139 I only paid $38 USD shipped
12:34 DI3HARD139 Ahhhhh..... The life of trying to fill 8 ram slots with identical ram
12:35 Calinou there's no real point in having > 2 sticks of RAM in a desktop today
12:35 Calinou unless you need 64 GB of RAM, which is very unlikely right now
12:35 sfan5 when i buy something i usually filter by what i need (e.g. storage space) and sort by price ascending
12:36 sfan5 so it's pretty much impossible that i accidentally spend too much money :P
12:36 Calinou yeah, typically you sort by configuration (2 sticks, not more, not less) and storage, then price
12:36 Calinou 1-stick should be avoided as well, since you won't benefit from dual channel
12:36 Calinou (the difference is tiny, but it's there)
12:36 DI3HARD139 Im just trying to utilize the quad channel capability of my CPU
12:37 sfan5 the difference is tiny
12:37 DI3HARD139 That and its a Xeon so it needs all the help it can get in terms of memory bandwidth as I can't overclock it. | On a side note. I just killed one of the sticks. oops
12:37 sfan5 Calinou: i have only one ram stick installed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:38 Calinou also helps if a RAM stick fails, you can keep on using your PC (albeit with reduced RAM)
12:38 Calinou if you have just one and it fails, you can't do anything :P
12:38 DI3HARD139 never mind. Apparently Westmere-EP doesnt support nvdimms
12:39 DI3HARD139 which makes sense
12:39 sfan5 won't those just act like normal ram sticks?
12:40 DI3HARD139 I would assume so. But for some reason its getting confused
12:41 DI3HARD139 They were working fine in my Sandy Bridge - EP (e5-2665) aside from the OS not getting the SPD data
12:45 Amaz red-NaN: Is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5492 still on your radar? It would be pretty wonderful :)
12:48 red-NaN yeah it is
12:48 red-NaN I'm meaning to rewrite it
12:48 red-NaN not really happen with all the code dupilcation I caused
12:48 Amaz :)
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13:00 tenplus1 hi nathan
13:01 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
13:03 DI3HARD139 and.... memory controller is gone..... yay
13:03 DI3HARD139 Anywho. What performance changes were made to the 3D Engine?
13:04 nerzhul now we use Unreal engine 4
13:04 DI3HARD139 I wish
13:04 nerzhul this will never happen heh
13:05 DI3HARD139 I'd take Vulkan though
13:05 tenplus1 vulkan is taking over slow but sure :)) yay
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13:20 Calinou Vulkan isn't a panacea though, it has low hardware support and Apple still doesn't support it
13:20 Calinou (they did not announce any kind of support at WWDC 2017)
13:20 Calinou fun fact: they were part of the Vulkan advisory board
13:20 tenplus1 apple want everything to run there own way
13:21 Calinou yeah, they have their own API, Metal
13:21 Calinou you can convert Vulkan to Metal using MoltenVK but it's not open source, and paid
13:21 Calinou and there's no open source equivalent yet
13:25 tenplus1 metal api does look interesting but I think that vulkan is opengl's eventual form with it's api being reworked
13:25 Calinou OpenGL isn't discontinued entirely actually, new extensions were added last year (but nobody uses them)
13:26 Calinou the current hardware support doesn't make it viable to require OpenGL 4.x anyway, except for AAA games or workstation apps
13:26 DI3HARD139 To answer the question as for speed of the memory. Its actually faster then standard PC3-12800R memory. (12031MB/s vs 11842MB/s
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13:33 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
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13:34 tenplus1 hi stone
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13:43 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest
13:44 DS-minetest thanks  :)
13:44 StoneTalus[Rare] sup guys
13:45 tenplus1 chillin :) you ?
13:45 StoneTalus[Rare] bored
13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] need to replace a keyboard key
13:46 tenplus1 which one ?
13:46 Raven262 Which one?
13:46 Raven262 xD
13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] > and .
13:46 tenplus1 time for a new keyboard...  2.99 ;P
13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] I have one
13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] this is just my laptop lol
13:50 tenplus1 ehe
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13:55 tenplus1 hi twoelk
13:55 twoelk hi
13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] O
13:56 twoelk hmm? minetest-project is gone?
13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] \|/
13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] /\
13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] nvm
13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] i give up
13:57 tenplus1 ?
13:58 * twoelk fires up a browsing fox to study the logs
13:59 tenplus1 am researching metal api
14:00 twoelk have been discussing metallurgy with my 11y old nephew who noticed differences between gaming and what he is being taught about metalls in school ;-)
14:00 tenplus1 I dont think any game is accurate in that area :P
14:01 tenplus1 maybe the new tin+copper recipe but even then smelting in a furnace :P
14:01 twoelk yeah, so what he learnt is that school knowladge is of no use in gaming :-(
14:02 twoelk -a+e
14:04 tenplus1 so MoltenVK and MoltenGL both run Vulkan and OPenGL games/software through using Metal API
14:10 benrob0329 * Jordach considers creating a central auth server
14:10 benrob0329 NO!
14:11 tenplus1 personally I would remove auth.txt and handle it inside player files
14:11 tenplus1 less chance of crashing whole server if file becomes corrupt
14:11 nerzhul tenplus1, we have a solution i will backport from my server in 0.5 which is a postgresql/sqlite database for auth
14:11 nerzhul it will permit to have central auth on servers using pgsql
14:12 nerzhul bind 3-4 servers on the minetest_auth db :)
14:12 tenplus1 ????
14:12 benrob0329 ^^^
14:12 benrob0329 Erm, +1 nerzhul
14:21 nerzhul !tell DS-minetest can you finish #5917 please ?
14:21 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K.
14:21 benrob0329 (Off) https://youtu.be/7z4hoazra_g
14:24 red-NaN Jordach, est31 already made one
14:24 IhrFussel I'm asking for someone else: What's the IRC mod called?
14:24 red-NaN IRC iirc
14:24 red-NaN https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
14:24 IhrFussel Just "IRC"? Are capital letters allowed?
14:25 Calinou it is "irc"in lowercase
14:25 red-NaN so the mod folder is "irc"
14:25 IhrFussel Ok thanks^^
14:38 IhrFussel The function to remove color codes is color.strip_colors(str) ? Not minetest.X?
14:39 red-NaN well core == minetest
14:39 red-NaN you can use either or
14:39 IhrFussel But it says color.strip_colors in Lua API
14:39 red-NaN oh
14:39 red-NaN I though I made a PR to fix that
14:40 red-NaN that should be either "core" or "minetest"
14:40 IhrFussel Also color.strip_background_colors(str) ... I compiled Jun 4 when did you make the PR?
14:41 red-NaN It seems I forgot to
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14:51 Calinou IIRC, mods should use minetest.
14:51 Calinou and builtin/ should use core.
14:51 Calinou it's just a convention though
14:54 red-NaN yeah it convention
14:54 red-NaN a werid and pointless one if you ask me
14:56 red-NaN it's*
15:30 * red-NaN
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15:50 Krock best chance for 10+1 to ninja me in greeting
15:51 Krock hello everone
15:51 red-NaN !tell tenplus1 hi
15:51 ShadowBot red-NaN: O.K.
15:51 nerzhul !tell tenplus proot
15:51 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K.
15:52 nerzhul Hey Krock
15:52 Krock hi nerzhul
15:52 red-NaN !tell Krock hi
15:52 ShadowBot red-NaN: O.K.
15:52 Krock .
15:52 nerzhul !tell Krock /kick Krock
15:52 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K.
15:53 Krock what are you guys up to?
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16:00 benrob0329 Krock: gonna give my cat a wash
16:01 Krock Uh. Is it going to be a fight to get the cat wet?
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16:15 IhrFussel Is it okay to have a changelog in the OP in my server thread?
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16:17 red-NaN sounds ok
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16:18 IhrFussel I just hope there are no edit limits
16:19 Amaz IhrFussel: I don't think that there are any edit limits (or if there are, they're very high).
16:20 red-NaN most mods/server/subgames/etc tend to make a new post for every change
16:20 Amaz e.g. https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?p=83513#p83513 "edited 101 times in total."
16:20 red-NaN maybe the limit is 102
16:20 Amaz Heh
16:21 IhrFussel If I would create a new post for every change I'd flood my own topic (take a look at the current change log)
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16:22 benrob0329 Question, do you prefer longer videos with heavy amounts of editing, or shorter videos released more often?
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16:27 Shara benrob0329: I prefer good videos, regardless of length. :P
16:28 Calinou Jordach would likely prefer 4-hour-long YTPs
16:28 Calinou :D
16:28 benrob0329 Lol
16:28 benrob0329 This is true
16:29 Jordach Calinou, you fucking wot m8
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16:32 tenplus1 hi peeps
16:32 tenplus1 Question.  Can I disable CSM mods from loading on a client from server-side ??
16:32 Jordach uhhh
16:33 benrob0329 tenplus1: hi
16:33 tenplus1 hi ben
16:33 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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16:36 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest
16:36 DS-minetest thank you 11
16:45 Krock hi tenplus1
16:45 tenplus1 hi krock, whats new?
16:46 Krock tenplus1, xubuntu installed and building Minetest rn
16:46 tenplus1 sweet :) which version, 16:04 ??
16:46 Krock yes, LTS
16:46 * Krock is happy to know about "screenfetch"
16:47 tenplus1 installed the same yesterday on a new build...  am disappointed with asus though, they'r making it harder on purpose to install Other Os' on their mobo's than Win10
16:49 * Jordach starts obliterating the steam library of unused games
16:49 tenplus1 heh
16:50 benrob0329 tenplus1: >Question, do you prefer longer videos with heavy amounts of editing, or shorter videos released more often?
16:50 Jordach 90GB of 2TB free -> 370GB free
16:51 Krock well great. freshly installed and 166 outdated packets
16:51 benrob0329 3 tb home partition ftw
16:51 benrob0329 Krock: that's release date ISOs for you
16:51 tenplus1 it all depends on the content benrob...
16:52 tenplus1 16.04.3 is out and .4 will be out shortly
16:52 tenplus1 to keep iso up to date
16:52 benrob0329 Krock: you didn't go for newest release?
16:52 Jordach 499 free
16:53 Jordach and R Y Z E N
16:53 Krock benrob0329, well, I used the newest LTS one
16:53 benrob0329 I mean that's a fair choice, its just too out of date for me :P
16:54 tenplus1 heh...  am using 17.04 atm and prolyl 17.10 when beta out
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16:59 benrob0329 I have a theory
16:59 benrob0329 AMD doesn't actually like open source things
17:00 benrob0329 But they are doing it in order to save themselves should Ryzen backfire
17:00 tenplus1 wait, arent they helping with the open-source ati drivers  though ?
17:00 benrob0329 Yes
17:00 tenplus1 hi shiva
17:00 benrob0329 If all else fails, companies like Redhat might bail them out
17:01 benrob0329 Because of all the work they put into open source things
17:02 benrob0329 Its not that AMD actually cares, moreso that its their policy rn because of how fed up people are getting with Nvidia
17:02 Jordach ...and Intlel
17:02 benrob0329 Intel isn't bad
17:02 Jordach >$99 FOR RAID
17:02 Jordach >MUST USE INTEL DRIVES
17:03 Jordach :thinking:
17:03 benrob0329 Well yeah that is bad
17:03 tenplus1 in this day and age things like drivers should be open-source so that users can report bugs, apply fixes etc
17:03 benrob0329 Ok do Intel is making some bad decisions right now, they've been good in the past
17:03 benrob0329 *so
17:04 benrob0329 If they continue, then I feel like AMD will have struck gold
17:04 benrob0329 Being the only hardware manufacturer to work closely with free software
17:04 tenplus1 +100... amd are doing a good thing
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17:05 tenplus1 wb DI3HARD139
17:05 benrob0329 But my theory is that its all just business
17:05 tenplus1 even so, because of amd's work with open-source, my next pc will be md
17:06 tenplus1 *amd
17:06 red-NaN ! natan
17:06 red-NaN !seen natan
17:06 ShadowBot red-NaN: I haven't seen natan in #minetest-hub.
17:06 Calinou simple reason for open source drivers: they work on live media, legally
17:06 red-NaN !seen nathan
17:06 ShadowBot red-NaN: I haven't seen nathan in #minetest-hub.
17:06 Calinou the only distro that bundles the proprietary NVIDIA driver on live media is Manjaro
17:06 Calinou and it's likely illegal to do so
17:06 DI3HARD139 ty
17:06 Calinou but they haven't gotten in trouble for this yet
17:06 tenplus1 doesnt mint do that also ?
17:06 Calinou no, it doesn't
17:06 Calinou contrarily to common belief
17:07 Calinou I mean, where the driver is used when running the live media itself
17:07 Calinou (useful when Nouveau outright crashes on laod)
17:07 Calinou load*
17:07 benrob0329 Vesa should work for installinh
17:07 tenplus1 yeah, noveau isnt too great
17:07 benrob0329 *installing
17:07 tenplus1 nvidia really need to help out in that area
17:07 * Jordach emptied nearly 1.2 TB of shit
17:08 benrob0329 But they wont, because of how nvidia works
17:08 tenplus1 oof
17:08 benrob0329 Nvidia's policy is to be the first and the only one to do sonething
17:08 Jordach AMD is making bank from console peasants anyways
17:08 Jordach AMD Jag cores :D
17:09 Calinou Vesa is limited to 1024x768
17:09 benrob0329 Buy Intel and amd he (my friend) says
17:09 Calinou no video/2D/3D acceleration whatsoever
17:09 Calinou thanks but no thanks...
17:09 Calinou sometimes you want to be able to browse the Web decently on live media
17:09 Calinou and it's not possible with Vesa
17:10 benrob0329 Meh, (e)Li/ynks(2)
17:11 tenplus1 ??
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17:11 tenplus1 wb nrz
17:11 benrob0329 tenplus1: links, elinks, and links2
17:11 benrob0329 And lynks
17:12 benrob0329 Or is it lynx
17:12 tenplus1 hehe, yeah I know that... just wondering why meh ?? whassup
17:12 nerzhul oty
17:12 benrob0329 >not possible to browse web on live media with vesa
17:12 benrob0329 W3m even has images
17:13 benrob0329 No JS though, you'll need elinks for that
17:13 benrob0329 But lynx has proper layout support
17:13 benrob0329 Why cant we have a good text based browser?
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17:16 tenplus1 pah!
17:19 * tenplus1 is testing latest Quipzilla browser :) not bad
17:20 benrob0329 Extentions though
17:20 tenplus1 has built in adblocker and supports flash
17:20 tenplus1 what else you ya need :DDD
17:20 Calinou I wish Firefox removed that godawful title bar on Linux
17:20 benrob0329 Userstyles
17:20 Calinou they've done so on Windows already, for a long time
17:20 Calinou but on Linux you're just wasting vertical real estate compared to Chromium
17:20 benrob0329 Calinou: what title bar?
17:20 Calinou benrob0329: compare Firefox and Chromium on Linux
17:20 Calinou maximize both, see which one gives you the most space available for content
17:21 Calinou (vertically)
17:21 Calinou Chromium will *always* win right now
17:21 Calinou and not by a few pixels
17:21 Calinou more like a few dozen
17:21 benrob0329 You mean shrink the tab bar?
17:21 Calinou no, remove the title bar above
17:21 Calinou it's been like this on Windows since... 2011?
17:21 Calinou Chrome did this since... version 1?
17:21 Calinou (2008°
17:21 benrob0329 Window decorations built in?
17:22 benrob0329 I don't have any wondow decorations anyways :PP
17:22 benrob0329 *window
17:22 Calinou talking about non-tiling WMs here
17:22 benrob0329 Well you could turn them off for FF
17:22 benrob0329 Or install an addon
17:22 tenplus1 chromium has bookmarks toolbar whereas firefox has bookmarks button, so ff wins in real estate because of that
17:24 Calinou benrob0329: there is an add-on for that but it's broken
17:24 Calinou due to the nature of GTK+, and non-GNOME desktops, they cannot do it reliably everywhere
17:25 Calinou tenplus1: by default, the bookmarks toolbar does not appear all the time
17:25 Calinou you can set it to, but I suggest not doing that :P
17:25 tenplus1 if they had a bookmark button available without addon then it'd be fine... but I really dont like giong through menus for my links
17:52 Krock ^ seems to be angry
17:52 DS-minetest no, he always quits that
17:54 tenplus1 this may just be me, but...  qupzilla seems a lot smoother and more responsive than chrome/firefix
17:58 Jordach >launches Tekken 7
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18:04 tenplus1 hi bigfoot547
18:04 bigfoot547 Hey tenplus1
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18:49 benrob0329 How I mow my lawn: https://youtu.be/nJqqgoG742Y
18:49 benrob0329 How I want to mow my lawn:https: //youtu.be/Iu_Q3AGBQUU
18:49 benrob0329 * https://youtu.be/Iu_Q3AGBQUU
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18:50 bigfoot547 lol
19:03 IhrFussel Can someone tell me why this happens? http://ihrfussels-server.tk/mt.gif
19:04 tenplus1 what am I looking at ?
19:04 tenplus1 or looking for ?
19:04 IhrFussel Watch the wielded tool
19:04 tenplus1 it goes dark, ghotcha
19:04 IhrFussel Not only that, it prevents me from moving while it's black
19:05 Shara Never saw anything like it before.
19:08 IhrFussel It happens very randomly...I'm guessing it's about collision cause it does not happen when I walk against a wall for example
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19:11 IhrFussel Should I file an issue? It already happened with 0.4.15-dev from May and I thought it was probably a bad PR
19:12 Shara I would
19:13 tenplus1 yeah
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19:13 tenplus1 hi stormchaser
19:14 IhrFussel What should I name it? "Random bug with wielded item"?
19:15 tenplus1 "Wielditem shadow glitch"
19:19 garywhite hi everyone
19:19 tenplus1 hi gary
19:27 red-NaN IhrFussel, why is your server not listed as ihrfussels-server.tk on the server list?
19:30 IhrFussel Back in May 2016 when I created my server I didn't have that domain yet and I thought it would confuse the players now if I suddenly use a completely different address...I registered the domain in Feb I think
19:30 red-NaN oh ok then
19:31 red-NaN could you set the link to that?
19:31 red-NaN server_url
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19:56 tenplus1 hi ka
19:56 tenplus1 hi kaeza
19:56 tenplus1 :P
19:56 kaeza hi te
19:56 kaeza :P
19:56 tenplus1 ehehehe
19:56 tenplus1 hows things ?
19:57 kaeza fine I guess. you?
19:57 tenplus1 not bad, testing new browser :D
19:58 kaeza which one?
19:58 tenplus1 Qupzilla
19:58 kaeza O.o
19:58 tenplus1 got the latest appimage and so far it's pretty darn good :P
19:59 kaeza another firefox fork?
19:59 tenplus1 Qt browser with built in adblock and a ton of settings to customize as ya like :) it's smoother than chrome here
19:59 tenplus1 https://qupzilla.com/
19:59 kaeza oh I see
20:00 kaeza looks kinda nice
20:01 kaeza I like chrome-style minimalist interfaces
20:01 kaeza too bad chrome seems worse than FF now :/
20:02 tenplus1 chrome has page rendering issues...  firefox feels sluggish and both are memory hungry...  qupzilla feels nice to use and has better html5 score than most browsers :D
20:04 nerzhul stormchaser3000, please test comment on #5937
20:06 stormchaser3000 nerzhul, ok
20:06 * stormchaser3000 git pulls
20:07 stormchaser3000 oh comment not commit
20:08 tenplus1 is it possible to disable CSM from server-side ?
20:09 benrob0329 Qutebrowser has vim-like keybindings
20:09 benrob0329 Also QT based
20:09 tenplus1 yup, is nice :P
20:09 red-NaN tenplus1, not yet
20:10 red-NaN tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5930
20:10 tenplus1 I dont get why modern browsers need at least 500mb to simple run
20:11 rubenwardy because meh progress
20:12 tenplus1 it's kinda sad but I remember using a browser called Voyager on my ppc amiga at the time, it only needed 2mb in total to run and was pretty good...  rendered pages well and didnt need half of the fluff we get now
20:17 tenplus1 ntie folks :P
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21:19 Fixer VanessaE: are your trees decaying via AMB or via new system?
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21:35 Fixer "Cannabis guard cattle, also called security cows"
21:35 Fixer wat?
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21:51 Sokomine maybe they like to eat it
22:04 red-NaN well thats it, better arrest that cattle
22:28 * Fixer .oO(PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD)
22:41 Fixer We need distance meter mod in minetest
22:41 Fixer ruler or smth like that
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22:51 Megaf sneaking in
22:52 Megaf Shara, =*
22:52 Fixer FUCK GITHUB
22:52 Megaf Why?
22:53 Fixer can;t attach images, strange error "content updated" crap
22:53 Megaf what browser?
22:53 red-NaN hi Megaf
22:54 Megaf hey red-NaN
22:54 Fixer firefox
22:54 Megaf red-NaN, hows thinga?
22:54 Megaf Fixer, you trying to report a bug or what?
22:54 red-NaN good
22:54 Fixer Megaf: trying comment on PR
22:55 Megaf red-NaN, it was pretty windy today, wasn't it?
22:55 Megaf weather was still good tho
22:55 red-NaN is it ever not windy?
22:55 Megaf red-NaN, it was pretty calm for the last weeks
22:55 red-NaN true
22:55 Megaf and apart from the last week it was even sunny
22:56 red-NaN it's better then during the winter time
22:56 Megaf eh, last winter warent too bad either
22:58 benrob0329 Hey Megaf
22:58 Megaf Fixer, at what point you get the error?
22:58 Megaf Does preview work?
22:58 Megaf hello benrob0329
22:58 benrob0329 Whats up?
23:00 Megaf Im pretty happy today, finally using my laptop again, its been several months already
23:00 Megaf so basically, I had broken its keyboard with liquid
23:00 Megaf today I finally bought an USB keyboard
23:00 benrob0329 Ah, usually liquid breaks mote than the keyboard
23:01 benrob0329 *more
23:01 benrob0329 Ive been working on projects n such
23:02 Megaf yep, it does. it passed the keyboard but stopped just beneath it, without dripping into the main board
23:02 red-NaN your lucky
23:03 red-NaN you're*
23:05 Megaf yep
23:05 Megaf and no
23:05 Megaf this is my Toshiba Satellite laptop
23:06 Megaf I liquid damaged my MacBook Pro too
23:06 Megaf a month or two after the Toshiba =/
23:06 Megaf but the Mac I cant get to boot up properly
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23:06 Megaf screen remains black, with some artifacts
23:07 Megaf Fixer, the error shows up when you click preview?
23:09 Megaf Fixer_, ^
23:11 benrob0329 Megaf: had a Toshiba satellite, crappiest laptop ive ever owned
23:11 Megaf I must say this one is pretty decent
23:12 benrob0329 I suppose I had a budget model
23:12 Megaf not performance wise tho
23:12 Megaf benrob0329, I got the cheapest I could find
23:12 Megaf it was like 360 Euro
23:12 benrob0329 Performance is relative
23:12 benrob0329 Mine was $250 Usd
23:12 Megaf oh my
23:12 Megaf that's cheap
23:13 Megaf Intel Celeron? Pentium?
23:13 benrob0329 Pentium 2 I think, but I'd have to go look at its lifeless corpse
23:14 benrob0329 (doesn't boot anymore)
23:15 benrob0329 Made my early videos on it though
23:15 benrob0329 15 fps videos, and yet people watched them XD
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23:17 benrob0329 Wb stormchaser3000
23:17 stormchaser3000 thanks
23:17 stormchaser3000 minetest seems to be crashing my DragonflyBSD installation
23:17 stormchaser3000 and i don't know what logfile to look in to find out why
23:18 benrob0329 /var/log/ something er other
23:20 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fW3QkuL.png
23:24 benrob0329 >github is down
23:24 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw
23:26 garywhite GH is down officially now?
23:27 benrob0329 ATM at least
23:29 garywhite status.github.com MAJOR SERVICE OUTAGE as of 16:19 PDT
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23:48 VanessaE ~tell Fixer moretrees uses the newer system, same as default trees.
23:48 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K.

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