Time Nick Message 00:24 nore yay 00:29 paramat rubenwardy thanks, i got your message about this before 00:29 rubenwardy oh, sorry :) 00:29 paramat no prob :] 00:30 paramat i'm interested in procedural architecture just not of the medieval villge kind 00:31 paramat those kind of historic structures don't interest me. i like modern and scifi type structures 00:33 paramat (but probably not this channel) 00:33 benrob0329 *sigh* blender has been stuck for a good several minutes now.. 00:35 * Wayward_One recommends WD-40 00:36 benrob0329 Wayward_One: not sure how to spray it if blender wont even update its window to show itself 00:37 benrob0329 i managed to un-stuck it using the power of time travel though :D 00:37 benrob0329 (aka kill and reload autosave) 00:54 shivajiva want to see what he's writing? 01:18 shivajiva D13HARD: let me know when it's okay :) 01:29 VanessaE t[off] she* 01:50 Sokomine rubenwardy: i'm doing the city generation. but i can't see much on that page. are there any screenshots? anything that works without js? 01:52 rubenwardy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Upvp_XoAAF4oo.jpg 01:52 rubenwardy can't find any source 01:53 rubenwardy it's interesting at least 01:53 rubenwardy although not very MT related, as they would be a lot of difficulties in making it work with ungenerated MapBlocks and varying terrain 01:56 Sokomine did you ever take a look at my mg_villages, rubenwardy? it does quite a lot in that regard. it's based on nores village generation 01:56 Sokomine rubenwardy: that generator looks more like a town/city generator 01:57 rubenwardy yeah, that works surprisingly well 01:57 rubenwardy was quite impressed with it 01:57 Sokomine ah. fine :-) 01:57 rubenwardy although wish it was faster, but that's Minetest's fault 01:58 Sokomine there are still issues. the ends of the main road sometimes end up burried. that's not so nice and realistic 01:58 Sokomine hm. it's pretty fast. i do not have any speed issues 01:58 Sokomine what hw do you run it on? 02:01 benrob0329 Clearly a quantum E3 from google :P 02:01 Sokomine no idea how fast those are 02:01 rubenwardy i5 @ 2.5 GHz 02:02 Sokomine how many players are running around and exploring? that's not exactly weak hardware after all 02:03 VanessaE bbl 02:03 rubenwardy this was quite a while ago, btw 02:05 Sokomine ah. perhaps you ought to test the most recent versions again. i did not encounter any speed issues 02:17 * nore should work on a constructions-centered mapgen sometime 02:18 nore With ruins, mines, roads, bridges, tunnels, and the like :) 02:31 Sokomine :-) 02:32 Sokomine well, you did start the one with the villages :-) i don't really understand yet how all that noise works 02:33 benrob0329 Mineyoshi is talking about leavinv because offtopic was nuked 02:33 benrob0329 Tbh I'm not surprised 02:34 benrob0329 Almost 5k posts, 99% of them are in offtopic 02:34 rubenwardy 60% actually, but not far off 02:35 benrob0329 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17674 02:35 benrob0329 He's spot on, actually. 02:47 paramat ugh 5000 posts of '+1' :] 02:49 paramat erm, what command do i use to grep the mods directory of MTGame? i've tried recursive '-r' but no success 02:52 paramat nevermind got it 02:57 paramat thanks rubber duckies :] 03:26 paramat i'll merge game#1742 in an hour 03:27 paramat wrong channel 03:38 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/MikoF6KZjm0 05:52 Raven262 http://i.imgur.com/9dyAyzx.png <---- Four biomes intersecting at one place. 06:04 Raven262 Hello lumidify 06:05 lumidify Hi Raven262 06:41 red-001 hello dax 07:04 red-001 offtopic has spread and now its consuming the whole forum 07:06 Raven262 Yes. 07:06 Raven262 That has to stop. 07:06 Raven262 It is killing the forums. 07:14 Raven262 Someone should look at the offtopic... Seeing that he made those trolls enraged now :P 07:14 paramat this +1 by MineYoshi is funny and pointless https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=272074#p272074 07:15 Raven262 +1 07:15 Raven262 xD 07:15 paramat ABJ is acting so what is the +1 for? if it's a +1 for silencing useless posts the +1 is a useless post (one of 5000) 07:16 paramat amusing 07:18 Raven262 One could never know. 07:18 Raven262 Maybe both though. 07:47 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/xGRaDz7.mp4 07:55 Raven262 ok i saw that already xD 08:06 paramat naughty dungeon master 12:03 Zeno` VanessaE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3RKda9S2w 12:03 * Zeno` bops 12:04 * Zeno` grabs VanessaE and dances 12:04 Zeno` honey, I'm still free; take a chance on me 12:05 * Zeno` throws VanessaE up into the air and catches her 12:06 Zeno` Oh, all the things I could do... if I had a little money 12:07 Zeno` I wasn't jealous before we met 12:08 Zeno` Don't go wasting your emotions 12:08 Zeno` lay all your on me 12:08 Zeno` love on me* 12:08 shivajiva Hi Zeno o/ 12:08 Zeno` shivajiva!!!!1 12:09 Zeno` shivajiva, it's ABBA hour 12:09 * Zeno` throws VanessaE aside and dances with shivajiva 12:10 shivajiva Knowing you, knowing me aha 12:10 Zeno` take it easy 12:10 Zeno` try to cool it down, take it nice and slow 12:10 shivajiva your light on yer feet fred :) 12:11 * Zeno` hits the alarm bell 12:11 Zeno` I was sitting by the phone, waiting all alone 12:11 Zeno` Dark and dreary night 12:11 Zeno` nothing's going right 12:11 Zeno` How can I go on here without you? 12:12 Zeno` You're so hot, teasing me 12:13 shivajiva Cause he's the man in the middle, never second fiddle 12:13 Zeno` :-o 12:13 shivajiva Just like a spider in a cobweb 12:13 Zeno` shivajiva, I have a secret 12:14 shivajiva Hard as a hammer, not the kind of boss you double-cross 12:14 Zeno` shivajiva, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDy8HEg1QY 12:14 shivajiva Nooooooooooo 12:14 Zeno` lol 12:15 Zeno` oh yeah! 12:15 * Zeno` gets down 12:15 shivajiva where did you come from, where did you go 12:16 Zeno` where did ya come from cotton eye Joe? 12:16 Zeno` If it wasn't for cotton eyed joe I'd have been a long time ago 12:20 Zeno` The love parade (Berlin, Germany)!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM 12:21 Zeno` Hmm, I think it is anyway. sfan5, Fuchs or Sokomine can probably confirm 12:22 Fuchs I'm afraid I'm not terribly German or Loveparade bound :p 12:22 Zeno` lol ok :) 12:22 sfan5 looks a lot like it 12:25 Sokomine er, confirm what? 12:28 Zeno` Sokomine, the love parade! 12:29 Zeno` Sokomine, is this at that location? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM 12:29 red-001 so why are we talking about gay rights now? 12:29 Zeno` we're not. We're talking about the love parade 12:29 red-001 I mean we do tend to get offtopic but it's ussually not this far 12:30 red-001 oh nvm 12:30 Sokomine ah. i think it got a bit less popular after that disaster in duisburg 12:30 * red-001 looked it up 12:30 lisac hey red-001, any idea how to add a cpp file to the build process in MT? 12:30 Zeno` I think it's closed (non existent) now 12:30 lisac I was hoping it'd do it automatically, but it won't 12:31 Sokomine lisac: edit the makefile? 12:31 red-001 lisac, what Sokomine said 12:31 lisac Isn't there a more clean solution? :) 12:31 red-001 edit the cmake file 12:31 Zeno` well, cmake 12:31 Zeno` yeah 12:32 red-001 CMakeLists.txt 12:32 Zeno` cmake generates the Makefiles, so adding it anywhere else doesn't make sense 12:33 red-001 plus the make file should be harder to edit 12:33 lisac I know I'm supposed to edit the CMakeLists.txt, but there is no file list there. 12:33 Zeno` red-001, and overwritten next time cmake is run 12:33 red-001 lisac, where are you trying to add the file? 12:33 red-001 Zeno`, that too 12:34 red-001 lisac, could you push your changes to github and send me a link? 12:34 lisac red-001, sure. 12:36 Zeno` red-001, if you're helping lisac don't forget to update the android build as well 12:37 Zeno` the new file *will* have to be added there as well 12:37 red-001 yeah I know 12:38 Zeno` k, just making sure ;) 12:38 red-001 it pretty dumb that it works like that 12:38 red-001 kinda breaks the point of cmake 12:38 Zeno` yeah, it's just the way it is atm though :( 12:39 Zeno` the android build, in case you hadn't noticed, is kind of neglected 12:40 Zeno` sucks I know. But it's the way it is 12:40 Zeno` Android dev of this kind is annoying and I for one gave up heheh 12:41 Zeno` I think sfan5 is more active in that area 12:41 red-001 a bit strange when you consider that most of the players use android builds 12:41 Zeno` yeah it is 12:41 Zeno` But it's tedious 12:41 red-001 well I suppose andoird dev is harder 12:42 Zeno` not harder really.... just, well, tedious 12:42 Zeno` (I find it so anyway_ 12:43 Fixer looked into commits, only roughly 20% of commits were related to minetest_game 12:43 sfan5 the android build is very neglected 12:44 Zeno` sfan5, agree 12:44 sfan5 red-001: what's is missing is mostly polish and someone doing interface desing correctly, nothing hard 12:44 sfan5 design* 12:47 nerzhul the problem is cross compiling with cmake which is not very... easy 12:48 Zeno` unlike some other devs I am not opposed to so-called "unofficial" android build as long as they comply with the license 12:48 Zeno` None of us seem to want to deal with Android and as long as the builds are compliant, who cares? 12:49 Zeno` That's what FOSS is about 12:50 nerzhul yeah, but personnaly as a MT contributor, seeing cowards doing money without adding any value to android build and publishing with adds on playstore makes me angry 12:50 red-001 ones that ask the users to pay to use fly, etc are annoying imo 12:50 nerzhul i just want to DCMA all those shit and close our license to non commercial 12:50 nerzhul except explicit agreement 12:51 Zeno` nerzhul, yeah I can understand that. I've put a lot of time into the code as well (as you know) but if they comply with the license that *I* agreed with before even starting to contribute then I have nothing to complain about 12:52 shivajiva VIP required to fly is naughty when you just did 3 skyblock levels got the fly priv and then are asked to pay to use it 12:53 Zeno` nerzhul, they're allowed to make money 12:53 Zeno` it's in the license 12:53 nerzhul Zeno`, those fuckers (sorry to be rude but i'm angry about them) make me just very angry and want to fork, add specific closed library and redistribute a nuke about them 12:53 Zeno` the license that I knew was in place before I wrote a single character of code 12:53 nerzhul yes i know 12:54 nerzhul but it just shows free licenses are limited when you port it to mobile some fuckers make money on your job live with your job 12:54 Zeno` yes, but c55 chose the license and we accepted it when we started to contribute 12:54 nerzhul it's why project should have been ported by a foundation, to nuke all of them by adding some goals, communications, etc 12:54 nerzhul yes yes i know, but that doesn't change my mind :p 12:55 nerzhul i need to hide a segfault on their client when it's not called minetest 12:55 nerzhul :p 12:55 Zeno` you think I like people making a living off code I write? 12:55 Zeno` I don't. I hate it. But the choice was mine 12:55 shivajiva nerzhul: lol 12:55 nerzhul or make their game unplayable :p 12:55 nerzhul and forbid them in serverlist bye bye 12:55 nerzhul but somes are real players (how many, 1 over 100) 12:57 Zeno` There are not many (if any?) servers that don't use the official code 12:58 Zeno` anyway, as long as the cloners honour the license then there is nothing we can do about it 12:58 nerzhul servers ? no, but clients yes 12:58 nerzhul and money is taken on clients not servers 12:59 Zeno` nerzhul, do you know of any client that is not compliant with the license? 13:00 nerzhul no, but i known which coward takes money over our head and laugh because he doesn't do anything than renaming our game. 13:01 Zeno` Unfortunately the license allows them to do that 13:01 Zeno` So there is no point getting upset about it 13:01 nerzhul offtopic: i just published a tool which scan and run git fetch on all your home directories automagicly 13:01 nerzhul https://github.com/nerzhul/gitscanner 13:02 Zeno` I actually prefer the BSD style licenses 13:02 nerzhul you run it in background and then git repositories are automaticly fetched, next step is to do real pull when fetch shows updates and the current branch is clear 13:02 nerzhul i prefer BSD license too for my tools 13:02 Zeno` and with those "freedom" is even more prominent 13:02 nerzhul but MT is different 13:02 nerzhul cowards take our work and do money on ALL our work, it's not jsut a library embedded in a valuable program 13:04 nerzhul Zeno`, i like the BSD license, look https://github.com/WinterWind/WinterWind :) 13:04 nerzhul it's not a perfect library but with this lib you can do REST servers in C++ easily :p 13:05 Fixer i do dislike this too, that some people just rip off other people hard work and make from it, but showing ads down kid throats 13:06 Fixer if only it was possible to filter rogue clients from joining any servers... 13:06 VanessaE nerzhul: I'd be okay with non-commercial re-license btw 13:07 Fixer on the other hand it is question about only client: multicraft 13:07 Zeno` look I dislike it as well, BUT I am not angry that they do it 13:07 Fixer mostly one client* 13:08 Zeno` because they're legitimately allowed to do it. It says so in our license. 13:08 nerzhul Fixer, it's not very possible as there is no version string with product name sent to server 13:08 Zeno` You all know my stance so I'd rather not talk about it anymore and create animosity 13:08 Fixer Zeno`: unfortunate 13:08 Zeno` Fixer, it's the way it is 13:08 nerzhul or just relicense our official game to non commercial and they can't use it for their client but engine yes 13:09 Fixer yep 13:09 Fixer yep was for Zeno 13:09 nerzhul many network issues are due to android clients who connects to server :( 13:09 Fixer nerzhul: on the other hand they don't need game anyway since they leach our servers 13:10 nerzhul yes generally 13:12 Fixer nerzhul: on the onther hand i would like to see this modified to contain word Minetest: https://i.imgur.com/DVcn72e.png 13:12 nerzhul This can be a solution because it's owned by minetest 13:12 Fixer iirc, each time you join, you see this in chat, word minetest should be mentioned when connecting to any minetest server 13:12 nerzhul some clients are easy to find as they don't use our version scheme 13:12 nerzhul example multicraft 1.1 13:13 nerzhul it's not minetest 13:13 Fixer server owners should also put few signs on their boards to indicate kids: if you get ads = you are scammed 13:13 nerzhul just look at that, send them them a message in red blood with 150px size :p 13:13 Fixer lool 13:13 Fixer blood moon 13:14 Fixer nerzhul: just some kind of notification, so people can understand they are playing on a rip off that sucks money off you or shows ads down your kid throat 13:14 Fixer server admin should participate in that 13:15 Fixer by placing a damn sign somewhere 13:15 Fixer or on formspec 13:16 nerzhul yeah we should have some consensus about that 13:18 Zeno` for Fixer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIF_2sAQXY 13:18 benrob0329 Hello all 13:19 rubenwardy basically all Minetest forks on the play store with ads are illegal 13:19 rubenwardy as they're almost definitely combining proprietary code with LGPL code 13:20 Fixer rubenwardy: some apps are even beg for money 13:20 rubenwardy and even if they rewrite the Java section, they probably don't allow relinking 13:20 Zeno` rubenwardy, you're allowed to do that 13:20 shivajiva Hi benrob, ruben o/ 13:20 shivajiva Hi Fixer :P 13:20 nerzhul rubenwardy, if there is legal issue with ads i can just push DCMA if you have the proof 13:20 rubenwardy Zeno`, any modifications to LGPL code must be licensed as LGPL 13:20 Fixer hi 13:20 nerzhul it's easy and in 1 month they are all removed 13:21 rubenwardy however you can use LGPL as a library for proprietary code 13:21 Zeno` rubenwardy, read the license again ;) 13:21 nerzhul wrong, you can add GPLv3 code 13:21 rubenwardy stop being predantic 13:21 rubenwardy you know what I mean :) 13:21 Zeno` yes, and besides that on android "native apps" are libs 13:22 Zeno` the java or whatever launches the lib 13:22 Zeno` there is no violation 13:22 rubenwardy also, I read the full license a day ago to write 13:22 rubenwardy !g minetest complying with license site:dev.minetest.net 13:22 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Compiling Minetest - Minetest Developer Wiki - Triple-click to select a whole line. 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(9 more messages) 13:22 rubenwardy the Java code we supply is LGPL, so they'd need to rewrite it 13:23 rubenwardy and they also need to provide instructions on how to relink a modified library 13:23 Zeno` rubenwardy, and if they don't use it at all? 13:23 rubenwardy so they'd need to rewrite it 13:23 Zeno` which is what they do 13:24 rubenwardy Multicraft does, not sure about the others 13:24 rubenwardy also, and they also need to provide instructions on how to relink a modified library 13:24 rubenwardy however, I don't think this is worth enforcing 13:24 Zeno` the change that multicraft makes to minetest itself are published 13:25 Zeno` multicraft is compliant 13:25 rubenwardy more importantly we should enforce that they give "prominent notice" of Minetest's use, as is required if they contain proprietary code (ie: ads) 13:26 Zeno` what proprietary code? 13:26 Zeno` no no.. the license doesn't require that 13:26 rubenwardy https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.en.html 13:26 rubenwardy "You must give prominent notice with each copy of the work that the Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by this License." 13:27 Zeno` multicraft does that doesn't it? 13:27 rubenwardy yeah, never said it didn't 13:27 rubenwardy multicraft isn't the only Android fork 13:28 Zeno` just the most popular 13:28 Zeno` look. I understand why people are upset. But we signed up to this 13:29 Zeno` We just have to accept the forks 13:29 Zeno` They're not illegal (none I've seen anyway) 13:30 Fixer too bad they are scummy ones 13:31 Fixer they don't contribute any code to original project, don't host servers, shove ads down kid throats (who don't need to see them) 13:31 Fixer mt signed up for this, yes 13:31 Zeno` Fixer, the thing is that I could turn around tomorrow and start selling minetest for 1 billion a copy 13:31 Zeno` the license allows 13:31 Zeno` that 13:31 nerzhul if they give some money to project and are correct guys i'm not upset, else fuck those guys 13:31 nerzhul or they really contributre 13:32 rubenwardy I don't mind forks, as long as they release modified code as required and give prominent notice if required 13:32 Fixer yes, i more feel bad for those kids who are bitched with ads and need to pay money for privs or other stuff, on connection to our server they should know there are alternatives and there is original game without ads or other scum 13:33 Fixer freemium is cancer 13:33 nerzhul note: bountysource is not working i think, i reclaim some bounty and they never come, all are in pending state since weeks 13:34 Zeno` actually I don't even have to publish the source code 13:34 Zeno` I have to provide it if a customer asks 13:34 shivajiva can't we just improve the droid version so there no desire to use a clone with ads? 13:35 Fixer desire? 13:35 Zeno` just get over it. celeron55 chose the license and it is what it is 13:35 rubenwardy shivajiva, not with a name like "Minetest" 13:35 Fixer i have no idea why they use this ad garbage 13:35 Fixer but thats me... 13:35 rubenwardy Zeno`, semantics 13:35 Zeno` Fixer, it provide them A LOT of revenue 13:35 Wayward_One hi all :) 13:35 Zeno` (more than you can imagine) 13:35 rubenwardy "release modified code as required" -> doesn't mean publicly 13:36 Fixer Zeno`: i mean from player standpoint 13:36 Zeno` no, you don't have to release modified source code unless asked 13:36 Zeno` if someone asks then you must provide it to them 13:36 Fixer but oh well, if people want to eat shit, ... 13:36 shivajiva when I ask the kids why they are using the clones the feedback is about preference for the interface 13:36 Fixer watch ad after ad of shit 13:37 Fixer big "thanks" to google and other who spread that freemium cancer 13:37 nerzhul shivajiva, the droid version is like the desktop version, just controls are shit, but many forks just keep them lol 13:37 Zeno` and after I provide them with the modified source code they can do whatever they like with it (including giving it to other people as well) 13:37 nerzhul rubenwardy, a point where we can win is they must redistribute their modified code, if not, nuke 13:38 nerzhul and maybe not publicly but if we ask we hsould have it 13:39 celeron55 one thing about freemium is that you can just ask for the source code and should get it, unlike with paid stuff where you would have to pay first 13:39 shivajiva I cannot scroll the server list on droid with any kind of success :/ 13:39 Zeno` The other thing to consider is that none of the current core devs really want to deal with Android (it's a PITA tbh) 13:40 celeron55 nobody cares about android except kids and those who want to make money 13:40 Zeno` so we can cry all we want but as long as multicraft (or whatever) comply with the license who cares? 13:40 celeron55 it's literally worthless otherwise 13:41 Zeno` correct 13:41 VanessaE celeron55: it's also 75% of the MT userbase.... 13:41 celeron55 yes, and? 13:41 benrob0329 celeron55: not necessarily 13:41 Fixer Zeno`: yep 13:41 VanessaE that kinda invalidates "worthless" 13:41 Fixer VanessaE: worse 13:41 benrob0329 What if I don't have my laptop on me? 13:41 Fixer VanessaE: mobile crap with ads is 90% or so 13:42 celeron55 i'm not against focusing on android, but again, i'm one of the core devs that just don't care to do it myself 13:42 celeron55 mostly because i don't play on android 13:42 rubenwardy I do Android for my job, which makes it less fun for a hobby 13:42 VanessaE celeron55: s/on andriod// 13:42 VanessaE fek 13:42 rubenwardy well, slightly 13:42 VanessaE joke spoiled :-/ 13:42 celeron55 the whole idea of playing on a touchscreen just completely irks me 13:43 shivajiva same here, it slows me down dramatically 13:43 Zeno` the whole dev cycle for a C++ app on android is annoying :( 13:43 benrob0329 It works really well with some games, and not for others. 13:43 benrob0329 idea: drop android support 13:43 benrob0329 Now hear me out 13:43 shivajiva but I appreciate the vast number of clients that connect to my server using it 13:44 Zeno` benrob0329, it basically is anyway because nobody works on it 13:44 benrob0329 If we make a breaking release, that only supports clients past that release, then servers can update to it 13:45 benrob0329 If android code is removed, all the android forks die 13:46 shivajiva and the servers lose 75% of their players 13:46 benrob0329 And 75% of the roleplayers 13:47 shivajiva it's a great way to kill it off benrob imo 13:49 shivajiva we can file that under 'Ways to kill MT popularity' 13:49 VanessaE benrob0329: no they don't. 13:49 VanessaE the first android versions that came out happened before MT had any such code upstream 13:51 Sokomine can't the devs group together and release an android version that can be bought at the store? kind of a donation mechanism. trouble would then be to distribute the money. and revenue might not be enough to motivate someone who doesn't like android development to actually do it 13:53 red-001 there is an android version on the store 13:53 red-001 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.minetest.minetest&hl=en 13:54 Fixer killing off mobile will leave use PC MASTER RACE people (tm)(r) 13:54 red-001 its even the first result for minetest in the play store 13:54 Fixer leave us* 13:54 Fixer i'm so tired of this stupid bullshit: mom, dad, can i be your mom, dead, mom, dad, mom, brother, system, FUCK GO TO YOUR DOLLS 13:55 Sokomine red: havn't used the playstore recently. i'm mostly using fdroid 13:55 Fixer get of my lawn (c) 13:55 CWz roleplay garbige 13:55 Fixer back in my time on ZX (c) 13:55 VanessaE Fixer: which is why roleplay is strictly forbidden from my servers. 13:56 Fixer VanessaE: it is nonstop, can I be your brother, who want some mam, mom, i'm crying, 1+2 13:56 VanessaE yeah I got tired of that horseshit 13:56 benrob0329 Fixer: tell ExterDad he needs to ban RP 13:56 Fixer cheapie: please add some kind of filter to your chat6 :} 13:56 Sokomine Fixer: hmm. the alive npc mod is quite cute :-) maybe they could learn to interact with such players in singleplayer 13:56 Fixer filter by keyword 13:56 cheapie Fixer: That sounds like something for another mod. 13:57 Sokomine Fixer: build a crib-jail and put all those babys there :-) 13:58 benrob0329 hi RobbieF 13:58 shivajiva Hi Robbie o/ 13:58 Sokomine hi 13:58 Fixer if one day mobile gets banned, there will be like 10 servers with PC people, mostly adults, building stuff 13:59 shivajiva and one big troll xD 13:59 Fixer lol 13:59 Fixer smart troll 13:59 Fixer or insane troll 13:59 benrob0329 Yes, but he'd be a good troll at that XD 14:00 Fixer from time to time i see /gamemode people on minetest, do they even know what they are playing? 14:00 benrob0329 No 14:01 Zeno` hit me with your rhythm stick! 14:01 Fixer Zeno`: 404 14:01 Zeno` hit me slowly, hit be quick! hit me, hit me, hit me 14:01 Fixer Zeno`: rhythm is a dancer 14:02 * benrob0329 backs away slowly 14:02 Zeno` Fixer, Snap? 14:02 Fixer yes 14:02 Zeno` Now that's a blast from the past 14:03 Zeno` I was still programming on the Amiga at that time 14:04 Zeno` also going to clubs, getting drunk and (mostly no successful) picking up women 14:07 nerzhul i will brand minetest as fuckinggamelicense-miner on steam 15$ :D 14:07 Zeno` then again I didn't meet nerzhul during that time 14:08 nerzhul lol :p 14:08 Zeno` or sfan5 or VanessaE 14:08 Zeno` hahah ;) 14:08 * VanessaE hides 14:08 nerzhul Zeno`, dance on abba 14:08 * CWz sets a trap for VanessaE. 14:08 * VanessaE evades the trap 14:08 * VanessaE tosses it in a lava pit 14:09 Fixer trees added https://i.imgur.com/noqPVEH.png 14:09 CWz wat a waste of good pie 14:09 Fixer nerzhul: some OSS projects are present on steam or itchio 14:09 Fixer btw 14:09 Fixer like TOME4 14:10 Fixer EndlessSky 14:10 CWz Valve still didn't fix steam on latest lts ubuntu 14:10 Fixer potentially DCSS 14:10 nerzhul Fixer, yesi know 14:10 Sokomine hm. strange. seems i had the images of my trader mod on forum.minetest.net ...but those are gone as well 14:11 Fixer Sokomine: host your images on forum itself 14:11 Fixer I had this bad habit of hosting on imgur and other, host images on forum, and mirror your code too 14:12 Sokomine fixer: i do with new mods. pictures of older mods more or less disappeared. now someone suggested to use waybackmachine - which is a very good idea 14:12 Fixer yes, it may have old pictures available 14:12 * Zeno` looks at Sokomine 14:13 Sokomine er, web.archive.org 14:13 * Sokomine looks at Zeno` 14:13 * Zeno` looks at back at Sokomine 14:13 * benrob0329 stares at everyone 14:13 * Fixer is not 14:13 Zeno` Sokomine, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMT698ArSfQ 14:13 * cheapie stares at benrob0329 14:13 * benrob0329 stares through cheapie 14:14 * Sokomine wonders how all this staring around might look to outsiders 14:14 * Zeno` looks at Sokomine 14:14 Sokomine perhaps that's what mobs do when they meet...just stare a bit at each other :-) 14:14 * Zeno` stands without moving and looks at Sokomine 14:14 * nerzhul looks at celeron55 but was afraid 14:14 cheapie Sokomine: I could start meowing at people again, make it look even more strange :P 14:15 Zeno` nerzhul, never look at celeron55 14:15 Sokomine cheapie: wasn't meowing copyright-protected by sfan5? 14:15 * Sokomine looks at celeron55 out of the corners of her eyes 14:15 Zeno` whoa! 14:15 * cheapie hisses at sfan5 instead, then 14:15 Zeno` sexy! 14:15 Zeno` you're in luck celeron55! 14:16 * nerzhul find Zeno` sexy like a big steak of yack 14:16 * Zeno` stands on his desk 14:16 Fixer not sure what was that 14:16 * rubenwardy raises his eyebrows 14:17 Zeno` Fixer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVWQpE3RMro 14:17 Fixer Zeno`: SME error 14:17 * Zeno` looks at rubenwardy 14:17 * benrob0329 raises one eyebrow 14:18 Zeno` you look at me and you'll see your past 14:18 Zeno` is that the reason why you're running so fast? 14:18 benrob0329 I see my past anyways, what difference does it make? 14:18 celeron55 i'd actually enjoy it if the minetest community released minetest under different names everywhere 14:19 rubenwardy celeron55, KaadmY wants to release his subgame to itch.io 14:19 benrob0329 hold on, lemme go make the openbsd package 14:19 benrob0329 LibreMiner 14:19 Zeno` lol 14:19 red-001 someone already released a version of mt on itch.io 14:19 rubenwardy I think that's a very good idea - the community can spread if subgames are marketed independently as games 14:20 Zeno` I actually really like LibreMiner 14:20 celeron55 rubenwardy: it's quite easy to customize the main menu for that purpose, even 14:20 benrob0329 We need custom main menus per subgame 14:21 nerzhul maybe could be nice to distribute minetest on it 14:21 nerzhul this can increase our userbase 14:21 benrob0329 Or package minetest with a subgame store 14:22 Fixer celeron55: nah, that is ridiculous 14:22 benrob0329 Pitch it like blocky gmod 14:22 Zeno` we need something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iNxpIhjLws 14:22 Zeno` does anyone want to pay The Bombay Royale to compose a song for us? 14:22 benrob0329 Just, without car physics...or much of any physics for that matter 14:23 Sokomine hmpf. is there a handy spam-thread somewhere where i can attach more images? that limit is annoying sometimes... 14:23 Zeno` that's my fav. song from the game 14:23 VanessaE Sokomine: make another thread and attach your images there, and I'll toss it in "trash" where it'll remain hidden but should still work 14:24 VanessaE but try it with one image first. 14:24 VanessaE actually if I do that you probably can't edit your post :-/ 14:24 * Zeno` looks at Sokomine 14:24 Sokomine hm :-) that's a good idea. else i'd have to search old postings by me about other topics and insert the images there 14:24 VanessaE but try it anyway :P 14:24 * Sokomine grabs Zeno` and lets him add the old images back 14:24 Zeno` you grabbed me?! 14:25 Sokomine sure 14:25 * Zeno` swoons 14:25 Sokomine that's what we've got hands for 14:25 Zeno` I'm in love 14:25 rubenwardy Sokomine, pasteboard.co ? 14:25 * Sokomine now has a Zeno` in her inventory 14:25 Zeno` :-o 14:25 Fixer Sokomine: just make one stitch many images into one 14:25 VanessaE careful, Sokomine. Zeno` may be using colored item stacks, but your engine isn't up-to-date ;) 14:25 Sokomine rubenwardy: they tend to die quick, those imagehosters :-(( i've edited my postings already multiple times. it is very very annoying and timeconsuming 14:26 rubenwardy true 14:26 Sokomine ah yes. combining images might be an idea as well. it's just that those are more tricky to see 14:26 Zeno` VanessaE, be quiet! I like being in Sokomine's inventory 14:26 * VanessaE takes Zeno` out of Sokomine's inventory and places him back on the ground.. yep, thought so. he turned grey. 14:26 Sokomine for newer and more complex mods i tried to use github documentation/wiki and linked from there 14:26 Sokomine VanessaE: thanks for the warning :-) 14:26 * Zeno` hops back in 14:27 * Sokomine takes the color away from Zeno` and paints him in nice black-and-wide-16x16px 14:27 VanessaE haha 14:27 Zeno` lol 14:27 Sokomine ah. VanessaE was faster :-) but to the same result :-) 14:28 rubenwardy google thinks that rubenwardy is another name for Minetest 14:29 VanessaE well that's good 14:29 Fixer Sokomine: stitch all together into one image @ compress @ post on forum 14:29 Zeno` Until a few weeks ago I was meant to be in Berlin in September 14:30 rubenwardy also: I think that the modding help mega-topic should be locked 14:30 Zeno` I could have met Sokomine 14:30 rubenwardy it's much more useful to have individual topics for each issue someone has 14:30 rubenwardy because it's then easier to google 14:30 nerzhul wow twenty years of gnome 14:30 Zeno` gnome sucks 14:30 Fixer nerzhul: 20 years of feature removal :trollface: 14:30 Fixer ,__, 14:31 benrob0329 20 years of its still better than windows 14:31 nerzhul Fixer, ridiculous 14:31 RobbieF hi benrob0329, shivajiva, Sokomine and all 14:31 Zeno` lol, I remember gnome from 1999 and the big foot icon 14:32 nerzhul gnome 3.0 removal was a pain but they fixed the problems and 3.24 is far more better than the last gnome 2.X 14:32 Fixer bigfoot547 conspiracy 14:32 cheapie "If you find a feature, it might confuse a user, so remove it" 14:32 rubenwardy xfce ftw :) 14:32 Fixer xfce, yeah 14:32 Zeno` the big foot was the best part about it 14:32 nerzhul xfce for the poor 14:32 rubenwardy although, I wish it had smooth workspace animations 14:32 VanessaE xfce or gtfo :) 14:32 Fixer after KDE4/GNOME3 debucle... only XFCE 14:32 nerzhul KDE is a windows crap 14:32 benrob0329 RobbieF: I think you need to check your connection, you have a ping of about 60 minutes :P 14:33 cheapie awesome is more awesome :P 14:33 Fixer thats nice ping 14:33 nerzhul how to make a linux app biggest than windows 14:33 Zeno` I use KDE >.> 14:33 Fixer i once had a 1+E3 ping on jabber 14:33 Fuchs good, very good. 14:33 Fixer or more 14:33 RobbieF lol check my connection 14:33 benrob0329 i3wm ftw 14:33 cheapie (I mean, I'm actually on Win10 right now, but that's because it's not my computer) 14:33 benrob0329 BOOOOO! 14:33 benrob0329 :P 14:33 Fixer cheapie: my condolescenses 14:34 Zeno` KDE is obviously the DE for power users 14:34 Fixer yep 14:34 Fixer Zeno`: i hope plasma is not crashing these days 14:34 RobbieF benrob0329 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6322719348 14:35 Zeno` nup 14:35 nerzhul Zeno`, yeah, they need 32GB ram and 8 cores as a minimum to work 14:35 Zeno` not had a crash 14:35 Fixer plasma is older than octacian, probably 14:35 nerzhul Fixer, lol plasma crash ? it's in the standard 14:35 octacian Isn't everything older than me? :rotfl: 14:35 nerzhul octacian, what's your age ? 14:35 octacian 13 :P 14:35 Zeno` pffft. Plasma is very stable 14:35 Fixer i will not show my ISP test 14:35 nerzhul plasma maybe, but KDE not 14:35 octacian Yup 14:36 benrob0329 RobbieF: oh wow! that must be good for streaming :D 14:36 cheapie My mom likes KDE, for some reason. 14:36 RobbieF I wish it WAS for streaming... but yes, it would be. 14:36 Fixer January 11, 2008; 9 years ago 14:36 Fuchs then plasma is quite a lot younger, KDE is roughly that (it is 21) 14:36 Zeno` are you suggesting that I am your mum?! 14:36 RobbieF I'm at work, not the studio. Studio has to use 4G since there is no hardwired option there. 14:36 Fuchs cheapie: the reason is "KDE is a very good collection of software" *nods* 14:36 benrob0329 As I said earlier, i3 ftw 14:36 Fuchs (I am biased) 14:37 Fuchs benrob0329: couple of my friends use KDE software under i3, e.g. okular (PDF viewer) 14:37 nerzhul i3 for loosing time :p 14:37 nerzhul in mr robot they used gnome, they know what is good :p 14:37 benrob0329 Loosing the time it takes to move windows :PP 14:37 nerzhul it's better than 24 where they reboot the router when there is an attack (WTF reboot the router to fix men attacking) 14:38 nerzhul pacman -S gnome3 14:38 nerzhul :D 14:38 nerzhul if you don't like pacman, take a yaourt -S gnome3 14:38 Fixer gnome can be ridiculous 14:38 benrob0329 emerge --ask x11-wm/i3wm 14:38 Fuchs emerge @kde 14:38 Fuchs done *nods* 14:38 benrob0329 Lol 14:39 Fuchs or make that -av for some fancy coloured lines before you can go and cook dinner 14:39 benrob0329 that'll take a week to compile 14:39 cheapie emerge -wtF green pixel 14:39 nerzhul emerge @kde, take 10000 coffes, and it works :p 14:39 Fuchs benrob0329: I'm at the wrong laptop, but without having genlop at hand my guess is "4-5 hours, maximum" 14:40 benrob0329 I think ny 14:40 Fuchs (okay, that's an i7, but why would you want anything < that) 14:40 benrob0329 *my whole system compiles in an hour 14:40 * rubenwardy has an i5 :( 14:40 nerzhul why compiling ? just spending energy money for nothing 14:40 Fuchs poor rubenwardy :( 14:40 * cheapie has a space heater 14:40 Fuchs nerzhul: to be able to make changes 14:40 * nerzhul has a AMD 8350 which compiles minetest in ~45sec :D 14:41 rubenwardy aha, better than celeron/pentium/core though, at least 14:41 Fuchs nerzhul: I have a good set of patches I apply before compiling 14:41 Fuchs doing that on a binary distribution is slightly more painful 14:41 nerzhul Fuchs, use FreeBSD :p 14:41 Fuchs why should, Linux has the better hardware support 14:41 benrob0329 nerzhul: I can have what I want, nothing more nothing less 14:41 Fuchs and I like having bluetooth and whatnot :p 14:41 rubenwardy my flatmate uses a server as a computer. 64 cores, 4 hard drives in RAID 14:41 nerzhul you just add -march=native -mtune=native :p 14:41 rubenwardy Nvida 1080 I believe 14:41 nerzhul rubenwardy, useless, a desktop never have 64 process running in parallel :p 14:42 benrob0329 nerzhul: -mach=haswell 14:42 Fuchs well, unless you want to reencode your whole music collection 14:42 rubenwardy nerzhul, exactly, it's so ridiculously over powered 14:42 cheapie nerzhul: cd whatever-big-project ; make -j64 14:42 Fuchs or set -j 64 on the compiler 14:42 rubenwardy nerzhul, the most he's ever used is 13% of each core (averaged) 14:42 Fuchs but most software is probably not written in a way that it can take full advantage of j64 14:43 rubenwardy he can write at a few GBps, which is cool 14:43 rubenwardy note byte, not bits 14:43 benrob0329 most make time isn't spent compiling 14:44 * Zeno` peeks out of Sokomine's inventory 14:44 Zeno` AAAAAAAARGH 14:44 Zeno` OMG! 14:45 * cheapie attempts to put Zeno` into a random pipeworks tube 14:45 Zeno` Sokomine! You really keep your inventory THERE? 14:45 * Zeno` goes back into the inventory box in shock 14:47 benrob0329 What just happened.. 15:02 Sokomine Zeno`: er, where? 15:03 Sokomine Zeno`: it's just protected. and usually crowded with lots of stairs, slabs, half-slabs and so on. might be confusing :-) 15:06 Zeno` lol :) 15:06 Zeno` I was certainly confused 15:12 Zeno` I am sorry for looking at your chest, Sokomine. I thought it was the inventory 15:12 Zeno` my mistake 15:16 nerzhul rubenwardy, -j64 will use the 64 cores, but you should write -j65 because generally 1 core is used for writing to disk 15:20 Sokomine :-) 15:21 Sokomine just...er...find a nice cozy place amongst all those stacks of cobble in the chests :-) 15:21 Zeno` :-o 15:30 Zeno` Is it lame to cry while listening to songs? 15:30 Zeno` If so, then I am lame 15:31 Zeno` I miss my Nanna 15:34 nerzhul it depend if you break glasses or not 15:39 Zeno` I'm a stoic person. But I am proud and not ashamed that I cried while being the lead coffin bearer 15:41 Zeno` I'll cry again, just like I am now for some reason. And if anyone has a problem then they can go to hell 15:47 twoelk one of the bad things growing up is as you get older you tend to see more coffins than you'd like to see 15:59 * twoelk confesses he hasn't updated the public part of his webspace for several years now 15:59 * rubenwardy has been working on security and DDoS mitation recently 15:59 benrob0329 I have a couple domains I could use for one.. 16:00 benrob0329 Not that I have anything to put on a site atm 16:00 rubenwardy my user apps all run in different users, and important files are only readable by user and group 16:01 rubenwardy also added ssl: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2017/05/05/HTTPS-with-github-pages-and-custom-domain/ 16:11 red-001 huh whu is Fuchs not voiced? 16:11 red-001 why* 16:12 VanessaE now he is. :P 16:12 Fuchs don't bother, I have to restart my znc soon anyway 16:12 Fuchs and: because I did something stupid basically (de-opered myself), which services don't seem to like 16:12 VanessaE oops heh 16:12 Fuchs I have no idea why, because that should do 0 to services, but it's not a huge thing. As said, have to restart znc in a couple of minutes anyway :) 16:21 red-001 must* 16:24 red-001 what timezone are you in? 16:24 Fuchs red-001: CEST (UTC+2 currently) 16:45 benrob0329 Wb Fuchs, hello WhoAreYou 16:45 WhoAreYou Hello benrob. :) 16:59 Fuchs yes, hello :) 17:02 garywhite hi everyone 17:05 rubenwardy hey garywhite 17:07 Fixer Fuchs: are you using sound notifications? even at night? o_0 911-level of service 17:08 Fuchs Fixer: no, I don't 17:08 Fuchs they didn't wake me up, I just saw them after waking up 17:08 Fuchs pretty sure I'd get lynched sooner or later if I did that 17:11 shivajiva yea my wife is funny about stuff like that for some reason 17:15 Fuchs yes, always them silly partners 17:22 garywhite I guess it's a good thing I don't have a layerBNC account 17:22 garywhite They're shutting down all their servers on 1 July 17:27 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAiNMHqXkAAGMRh.jpg:large 17:30 Krock o/ 17:31 cheapie \o 17:31 Fixer i prefer nano, only for short edits 17:38 benrob0329 Vim is easy 17:50 Shara Hello all 17:50 Sokomine hi 17:50 * Sokomine nods to benrob0329 17:50 Fuchs yes, hello 17:50 Shara Hi otherme 17:51 Shara Uhh, I mean Sokomine 17:51 benrob0329 Hi Shara 17:51 Shara How's it going? :) 17:52 benrob0329 Good 17:52 benrob0329 Swaping out Pulseaudio for jack on my system atm 17:53 cheapie What's wrong with plain ALSA? 17:54 benrob0329 When you do a lot of recording and use multiple sound cards, a lot 17:55 cheapie Oh, you're one of "those people"... well, have fun with JACK, then :P 17:55 benrob0329 Heh, I will :P 17:55 benrob0329 it'll give me an edge to my OSX using sister :D 18:12 Jordach ayy lmao 18:12 red-001 lol what why are you using freenode webchat? 18:13 Jordach >benrob0329 has op 18:13 Jordach because my laptop is a wifi booster rn 18:13 benrob0329 :P 18:13 Jordach it's using my phone in tether mode 18:14 Jordach which is connected to the hotels wifi 18:14 Jordach which in turn powers my chromecast 18:14 Jordach it's ghetto af 18:14 Jordach should i go for arch linux or manjaro for this shittop 18:15 benrob0329 Sounds more hobbled together than my junk drawer 18:15 Jordach benrob0329: my phone is connected over USB into my laptop 18:15 benrob0329 Go for arch if you want to learn 18:15 Jordach which then windows 7 provides the hosted mode wifi 18:15 benrob0329 Gentoo if you want it lean and mean 18:15 Jordach for my chromecast, tablet, etc 18:15 Calinou hi 18:15 Calinou rubenwardy: oh god… 18:15 Calinou hahaha 18:15 Jordach oshit waddup 18:16 Calinou that site screams lingscars to me 18:16 * Jordach doesn't dare to click it with this windows 7 system 18:16 rubenwardy yeah :P 18:16 Jordach it's not been updated in 1.4 years lmao 18:17 rubenwardy :O 18:17 Jordach it finished getting patches todahy 18:17 Krock almost readable and 90s style 18:17 Jordach >mineyoshi 18:17 Jordach *unintelligilble autistic screeching* 18:18 Krock "Do not use too many fonts in your design" - a previous teacher of mine 18:18 * Krock counts 18:18 Calinou https://www.lingscars.com/ (warning: possible seizure, likely sound-playing, use an ad blocker) 18:18 Calinou that site used to be even worse, like, it had an animated chicken in the chat area 18:18 Calinou last time I checked it (last year) 18:18 Jordach >looks at site 18:18 Jordach MY EYES 18:20 benrob0329 My phone needs an aspirin now 18:20 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/oe65pWy.png 18:20 Jordach FeelsBadMan 18:21 Jordach HP offered this with two models 18:21 Jordach one with linux with the 1tb disk 18:21 Jordach the other was windows with a 500gb disk 18:21 benrob0329 Jordach: http://imgur.com/a/NZ5he 18:21 benrob0329 Hold on, lemme grab render 18:21 Jordach bleeeerrergh 18:22 benrob0329 https://m.imgur.com/a/yXRku 18:23 benrob0329 (Yes, the plastic could use some work) 18:23 benrob0329 Its blender interal fyi 18:23 benrob0329 Something I don't have the nost experience with >.< 18:23 Jordach >no monospaced font 18:23 benrob0329 Hmm 18:23 Jordach *AUTISTIC SCREECHING* 18:23 benrob0329 Good point 18:24 benrob0329 I have the perfect one :P 18:24 Jordach comic sans 18:24 Jordach :^) 18:24 benrob0329 that's not monospaced 18:24 Jordach times new roman 18:24 Jordach wingding 18:24 benrob0329 Still not mono 18:24 Jordach emoji 18:24 Jordach Kappa 18:25 * Jordach thinks about going hackintosh on this lapto 18:25 Jordach meh 18:25 Jordach arch linux to make my roommate salty 18:25 Jordach >hackintosh on a surface pro 18:25 Jordach what a meme 18:26 Jordach then after installing arch i'm going to shitpost on /g/ about how good it is with a complete anime wallpaper for the maximum /g/ experience 18:27 Jordach second, webchat on freenode is superior to most clients, Kappa 18:27 Calinou Hackintosh is tricky to use for daily work 18:27 Jordach my roommate just makes the mac fags in his class salty 18:27 Jordach that's why he has it 18:28 Jordach the salt they produce 18:28 red-001 Calinou, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPiHkv0fVY&feature=youtu.be 18:28 Jordach it's like compressed salt blocks 18:28 Jordach they even say he hacked apple 18:28 Jordach toplel 18:29 Jordach >runs in x64_86 18:29 Jordach :thinking: 18:32 benrob0329 Jordach: http://imgur.com/a/ddljN 18:32 Jordach >not projecting text onto the screen 18:32 Jordach -50 points to gryffindor 18:33 benrob0329 Why would I want to increase render times? 18:33 Jordach just use a feckin curve 18:33 benrob0329 meh 18:33 benrob0329 id need to redo the screen 18:33 benrob0329 I could do it 18:33 benrob0329 I should do it 18:38 Jordach Calinou: arch or gentoo 18:38 dax install gentoo 18:38 benrob0329 Gentoo 18:38 Calinou Jordach: neither 18:39 benrob0329 Get that laptop runnin fast af 18:39 Calinou bare Arch Linux is not really needed anymore for most use cases 18:39 Jordach hardmode: no internet connection allowed 18:39 Calinou Manjaro is a good desktop distro, I find 18:39 Calinou Antergos if you absolutely want latest packages, at the cost of stability 18:39 benrob0329 Jordach: then your screwed 18:39 Jordach Calinou: maybe if i don't want systemd 18:39 Calinou (also closer to upstream than Manjaro is) 18:39 Calinou there is nothing wrong with systemd 18:39 Jordach yes there is 18:39 Jordach ask the man himself 18:39 Jordach aka Linus or RMS 18:40 * benrob0329 rebuilds system with pulseaudio 18:40 benrob0329 I don't feel like setting up a real time system atm 18:40 benrob0329 So meh 18:41 benrob0329 Funnily enougb FireFox doesn't take very long tk build 18:41 benrob0329 Jordach: here's the thing with Gentoo 18:41 benrob0329 You learn 18:41 Calinou RMS is not against systemd 18:41 Calinou "It's free software" is his comment on systemd 18:42 Calinou also, make your own opinion. 18:42 benrob0329 free yes, freeing...not as much 18:42 Calinou but really, systemd is one of the better things that happened to the Linux desktop recently 18:42 Calinou benrob0329: no portion of systemd is proprietary 18:42 benrob0329 I'm not talking license 18:42 dax I like Gentoo. benrob0329 uses Gentoo and dislikes systemd and doesn't use it. I use Gentoo and systemd all the things. 18:42 Calinou among other things, systemd brought us service files (very easy to write and maintain), systemctl and other unified/standard commands for service management 18:42 Calinou systemd-nspawn for "chroot on steroids" 18:43 dax Debian can do either too, I'm not sure if any other distros still care about that. 18:43 benrob0329 rc-update add thing default 18:43 Calinou apparently, Manjaro has a no systemd option 18:43 Calinou but I can't see why one would use it 18:43 benrob0329 rc-update add other_thing boot 18:44 benrob0329 Biggest thing of all though 18:44 benrob0329 I don't care what init systen you usr 18:44 benrob0329 Just so as long as software is iniy systen independent 18:45 dax agreed 18:45 benrob0329 Wb Jordach 18:45 Jordach >phone falls off of bed 18:45 Jordach >tether dies 18:45 benrob0329 Lol 18:45 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8c5wmeOL9o 18:46 Jordach it's USB type C at least 18:46 Jordach and also has monthly security patches from my OEM 18:46 benrob0329 I could probably get my system boot time down if I enabled parallel service starting 18:46 Jordach which is very fucking nice these days considering it's android 18:46 Calinou my phone isn't USB type C :( 18:46 Calinou my laptop is! 18:46 benrob0329 Most computers don't even have usb 3.1 18:46 Jordach Calinou: barrel jack here lmao 18:47 Jordach benrob0329: the USB cable for the phone is the 3.1 end 18:47 benrob0329 Yes and no 18:47 Jordach but that's also reversible and USB 2 compliant 18:47 benrob0329 3.1 is faster than 3 18:47 Jordach a reversible USB connector 18:47 Jordach lmao 18:47 benrob0329 But os still compatible 18:47 Jordach yeah boi 18:48 benrob0329 (My desktop has a USB 3.1 type A card) 18:48 benrob0329 Question 18:48 benrob0329 What happens if you plug two usb c phones together? 18:49 benrob0329 Will one power the other? 18:49 Jordach you want the NSFW answer? 18:49 Jordach or not? 18:49 Jordach :^) 18:49 benrob0329 preferably not 18:50 benrob0329 >compiling only uses 50% of the cpu 18:50 Jordach benrob0329: this phillips TV had exposed USB and HDMI connectors in the side 18:50 benrob0329 -j13 ALL THE THINGS 18:50 Jordach had 1.4 inches off the wall to get my hand in there 18:50 Jordach and plug it all in 18:50 Jordach that was a pain in the ass 18:50 benrob0329 Hotel TVs are always fun 18:51 Jordach but i can at least watch twitch tv 18:51 Jordach or youtube 18:51 benrob0329 Or Vidme 18:51 benrob0329 :^) 18:52 Krock benrob0329, read/write speed as the bottleneck? 18:52 Krock that's somehow amusing 18:52 benrob0329 Krock: id think not, I've got an m.2 ssd 18:53 Jordach >m.2 18:53 benrob0329 I just have my system set to only use 6 threads atm 18:53 Jordach gib wallet pls 18:53 Jordach will blender fo money 18:53 benrob0329 Jordach: but I already blender my own :P 18:53 Jordach how about some AMD RX boost 18:53 Jordach lmao 18:54 * CWz summons his Gunaction shotpump 18:54 * Jordach is seriously thinking about going VM Passthrough for gaming 18:54 Krock I've got a 3M one.. just harddisk-like and 1.44 MB storage 18:54 benrob0329 So its a floppy? 18:54 Jordach windows VM, GPU passthrough for mexi memes 18:54 Krock 18:55 Krock benrob0329, yeah, would be one. 18:55 benrob0329 I've got a floppy in one of my drawers here 18:55 Krock anyone from the hometown server active right now? 18:55 benrob0329 haven't looked at what's on it in years 18:55 Krock benrob0329, one? 18:55 Jordach i have some floppies too 18:55 benrob0329 one 18:55 Jordach including a microsoft works CD-R 18:56 * Krock looks at the box of approx. 50 floppies in his shelf 18:56 benrob0329 Might have some software floppies somewhere 18:56 benrob0329 Its not even a new floppy, it had the family cookbook on it for years 18:56 Jordach benrob0329: currently got http://kitten.academy on the TV 18:57 benrob0329 I should upload the cookbook to github or something 18:57 benrob0329 Convert the word documents to LaTeX :PP 18:59 Fixer Krock: VERBATIM 19:00 Krock Fixer, SEE #MINETEST, THE CHANNEL NAME IS REQUESTED 19:00 Jordach Fixer: more like V E R B A T I M 19:01 benrob0329 ＶＡＰＯＲＷＡＶＥ 19:01 Fixer Jordach: ＶＥＲＢＡＴＩＭ 19:02 Fixer Goods of EU origin 19:02 Jordach Fixer: may have vaporwave cassettes 19:02 Jordach :^) 19:02 Fixer "Formatiert fur IBM PS/2 und andere 1.44MB Laufwerke" 19:02 benrob0329 Ｆｉｘｅｒ：＀ｇｅｔ＀ｗｉｔｈ＀ｔｈｅ＀ｐｒｏｇｒａｍ＀ａｎｄ＀ｕｓｅ＀ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ 19:03 Krock "Formatted for IBM PS/2 and other 1.44MB drives" 19:03 Fixer first diskette in the box is SONY though 19:04 Fixer Re-formats to Apple: 1.40 MB 19:04 Fixer wat? 19:04 Jordach Fixer: format it to amiga for that fantastic 800k 19:05 Fixer i need to have amiga first, it also costs a lot 19:05 Jordach amigas are cheap af in the UK 19:05 Fixer 200 usd or so 19:05 benrob0329 My desktop boots from post to desktop (including grub pause and login) in 52.98 seconds 19:05 Jordach considering getting a A1200 then getting a vampire on top 19:06 Jordach >53 seconds 19:06 Jordach my windows desktop does it in 3 19:06 Fixer Jordach: 160 seconds 19:06 Jordach i usually leave it at login for like 30 minutes when i do the washing up and breakfast making 19:07 benrob0329 I could make it faster 19:07 benrob0329 Post took about half that time 19:07 Krock Linux users going to be drunk.. too much Wine 19:08 Krock sorry, old joke 19:08 Fixer Debian booted much faster than W7 for me 19:08 Fixer when I last tested 19:08 benrob0329 Should I enable openrc's paralell service starting? 19:08 benrob0329 And retime it? 19:10 Krock s/el/le/ (minimalism) 19:10 Fixer (((minimalism))) 19:11 * Fixer logins 19:11 * Fixer is engulfed in mom-dad roleplay 19:11 VanessaE will someone PLEASE kick the ass of whoever came up with that ((( ))) shit? 19:12 Shara Fixer: just play on servers where it's not allowed? 19:12 Jordach VanessaE: (((them))) 19:13 Jordach Kappa 19:13 Fixer VanessaE: i have no idea who come up with this ((())) 19:13 Calinou I prefer this, it makes me look happy))) 19:13 Calinou don't you agree)) 19:13 Calinou :P 19:13 Jordach you're not russian, and you have a working colon 19:13 Calinou Russians use that as a smiley, actually 19:13 Jordach although it might be full of shit 19:13 Jordach Kappa 19:13 Jordach bored af at a hotel and no vidya to pass time 19:16 Fixer Jordach: relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQ3GEncwh8 19:19 Krock Jordach, play trivia :P 19:24 Fixer VanessaE: lisp? 19:25 VanessaE Fixer: ((( ))) around a word means it might be a "trigger" for some idiot 19:25 VanessaE and I think it's just another expression of the bullshitification of the 'net 19:26 rubenwardy I thought it was used to identify Jewish people? 19:26 VanessaE nope. 19:26 rubenwardy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 19:26 rubenwardy "The use of triple parentheses or triple brackets, also known as an (((echo))), is an antisemitic symbol that has been used to highlight the names of individuals of a Jewish background." 19:26 Fixer VanessaE: https://storage.googleapis.com/programming-idioms-pictures/idiom/149/princess-lisp.png 19:26 VanessaE strange, I don't recall it being for that 19:26 Fixer rubenwardy: o.O 19:27 VanessaE that makes it 1000x stupider thenm 19:27 Fixer VanessaE: than Jordach probably needs to adopt triple+1 19:28 Jordach lmao 19:28 Jordach i'm sarcastic af rn 19:28 Jordach i have no vidya 19:29 Fixer VanessaE: https://i1.wp.com/content.animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/fib.png?resize=674%2C248 19:29 Fixer Jordach: what is vidya? 19:29 * VanessaE shrugs 19:30 Fixer https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kakNmBjOGaA/TDX4fAOL9XI/AAAAAAAAAiM/zQq8qLTU7iQ/s400/stacked.png.scaled500.png 19:30 rubenwardy yay lisp 19:32 Fixer LOL http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2e/2e744aa83c6ec9bc13b8c0094a3ed11ff980e303ffb8ea15c453b66e35b8e33d.jpg 19:35 Krock but parentheses are code 19:36 Krock seems legit, with C++ in the picture 20:09 * twoelk muses on putting an old Atari TOS emulator on his nephews laptop with a nice ancient looking GEM - just to freak him out 20:13 VanessaE better idea, put an old tube TV and an Atari 2600 on his desk. 20:14 VanessaE with copies of Pac Man and ET :D 20:17 twoelk I fear my last tube monitor drowned just last friday as our cellar was flooded 20:18 VanessaE let it dry out thoroughly and it'll probably be fine 20:19 twoelk too late, decided I didn't want to clean it of all the stinking mud that ran inside :-( 20:20 twoelk I did save a nice radio-tapedeck-recordplayer combo of the 70s though 20:23 Calinou flatscreens are where it's at anyway 20:23 Calinou who needs motion blur when you have natural ghosting? :) 20:23 VanessaE heh 20:23 Calinou (:P) 20:23 Calinou my 32" has a ton of ghosting, it's AMVA which is the worst for gaming (worse than IPS) 20:23 Calinou setting its antighosting to Medium helps quite a bit, but it is far from perfect, and input lag is high 20:23 Calinou I still can game on this but it's not ideal 20:24 Calinou games also feel less smooth on it overall 20:24 Calinou (compared to my secondary, 24" 1080p TN monitor) 20:26 Jordach twoelk: i'd buy that 20:28 twoelk not gonna sell :-) 20:28 benrob0329 i dont know why more distros dont use qingy 20:28 benrob0329 its nice and simple for starting X 20:28 twoelk too many childhood memories 20:29 Calinou I didn't use a CRT much 20:29 Calinou I do remember playing Doom on a CRT when I was young, though 20:29 Calinou but computers I had for me always had LCDs 20:30 Jordach i had a win me machine with a CRT 20:30 Jordach it was a huge display 20:31 Jordach ayy lmao, Calinou phone connected to hotels wifi as a tether for my laptop gets 8-26ms ping 20:31 Jordach quake is playable lmao 20:31 nerzhul travis build matrix is just painful shit... 20:32 twoelk mh, I remember the crispy 640x480 of my first monitor - those where indeed blocky games then 20:32 Jordach r e k t a n g l e 20:32 nerzhul gitlab-ci powa, omg forced to break the travis base image to have the build you want 20:32 Calinou Jordach: I get 15-35 ms on my university wifi 20:32 Calinou I can play with a VPN 20:32 Calinou it can go way up at times though 20:33 Calinou twoelk: classic Doom ran at 320×200 (corrected to 320×240), my dad used DOSBox to run it on Windows 98 or XP or something like that 20:33 Calinou (source ports were a thing back then, Doom was already GPL'd, but apparently he did not know about them) 20:33 Calinou ~~or he was an anti-source port purist, I don't know~~ 20:33 Jordach reddit formatting there, cal 20:35 twoelk I recently fiddled with the old demogame ms made to demonstrate it's graphic abbilities - anyone remember Hover? 20:35 twoelk runs a little fast now :-( 20:38 Calinou Jordach: IRC needs strikethrough :( 20:38 Calinou it is a prerequisite for dank memes 20:38 benrob0329 #matrix 20:38 benrob0329 #markdown 20:38 benrob0329 #forthewin 20:38 Calinou twoelk: I remember playing a ~2001-2002 tech demo made for the GeForce 2 20:38 Calinou …on a system with a GeForce 8 or so 20:38 Calinou …it did not run smoothly at all on max settings 20:38 Calinou it was a racing game with hovercrafts, with only one track, and no sounds 20:38 Calinou it did look quite good but also liked to make everything shine for no reason 20:38 Jordach Calinou: my laptop would destroy it, probably 20:38 Calinou if someone can find it, would be nice 20:39 Calinou (maybe runs in WINE) 20:39 benrob0329 would probably run in wine 20:39 twoelk gah - wondered why my screen flickered purple just now - had an oerkki jumping on me :-P 20:40 * Jordach considers building a Solar Plains devel distro 20:40 Jordach or at least making MT literally plug and play 20:41 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQa3OM6zBJ4 20:44 twoelk cool - hover reborn http://hover.ie/ seems other remember as well 20:45 garywhite twoelk: That's actually a MS website 20:46 garywhite & ironically, Chicago was the codename for Windows 95 during development c. 1994 20:46 twoelk don't care ---- it's Hover ! gotta show my nephew 20:47 garywhite Why don't they redevelop MS Space Simulator 20:47 twoelk it was a demo coded by or for ms in the first place 20:47 Fixer twoelk: show him this instead http://www.windows93.net/ 20:47 Fixer *EYE ALERT* 20:49 twoelk hehe - looks cool 20:51 * DS-minetest just recognized that off-topic was finally nuked 20:55 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/24SIBJB.png 21:06 benrob0329 >minetest plug & play 21:07 benrob0329 modname.mtp 21:07 benrob0329 its really a zip (or tar) but has the right extention for a Minetest Package 21:10 garywhite twoelk: I was just reading an article about running a Windows emulator in the browser, & it mentions the relaunch of Hover. It also says that, before doing anything, type "bambi" into the window & it will switch to the original Hover 21:10 garywhite & it does work 21:13 twoelk so who volunteers to make a minetest version of hover ;-P ? 21:14 twoelk including the physics of course 21:14 twoelk garywhite: link? 21:15 garywhite link to what? 21:15 Fixer twoelk: http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pcx86/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/ 21:16 twoelk Fixer: shit, that somehow looks familiar 21:18 twoelk although I think the first windows I did indeed use for more than just looking was 3.1 21:19 Fixer there is a guy on internet who connected to IRC via xenix 21:20 Fixer https://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ircii-on-xenix.png 21:25 Jordach if windows wasn't so entrenched in backwards compat there'd be less security holes ;) 21:26 Fixer Jordach: but backw compat is a big positive side of win 21:29 Fixer procrastination 21:33 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/k3RVQ0O.png 21:34 DS-minetest Fixer? 21:35 Fixer those new stone blocks give interesting effect when mixed with simple stone 21:35 * DS-minetest doesn't see anything special about this screenshot 21:35 DS-minetest ah 21:35 twoelk Jordach: sure if you change the OS with each update so much that all programs including malware won't work anymore you got some safe system 21:36 rubenwardy it's more about not keeping antiquated file transfer protocols 21:36 rubenwardy etc 21:37 benrob0329 hi Nathans21 21:37 Nathans21 Hi ben 21:38 rubenwardy hey Nathans21 21:38 Nathans21 Hi rubenwardy 21:38 DS-minetest why has default book a 16*17 texture? 21:39 Fixer no idea 21:40 rubenwardy sounds like a mistake 21:41 Nathans21 Agree 21:42 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/FEjrjhB.png quazi 3d-effect 21:43 benrob0329 heh 21:43 benrob0329 Fixer: ill have to remember that trick 21:44 DS-minetest >_< i think, hexchat shut down 21:44 DS-minetest Fixer: can you screwdrive stone block? 21:44 Fixer nope 21:45 DS-minetest ohh, at lease with stone brick nice structures can be made with screwdriver 21:47 Fixer DS-minetest: you can use slab and rotate in any way you like 21:48 DS-minetest ah 21:49 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/VO2y07Q.png 21:49 rubenwardy think that the modding help mega-topic should be locked 21:49 Fixer this screenshot endorses corner stairs 21:49 rubenwardy it's much more useful to have individual topics for each issue someone has 21:49 rubenwardy because it's then easier to google 21:50 rubenwardy although potential topic spam 21:50 DS-minetest don't lock it, it's a place where they can put their trash to 21:51 DS-minetest if you answer there, it's your own fault 21:51 Fixer mushroom farm https://i.imgur.com/dwxsZJX.png 21:52 DS-minetest Fixer: i don't see any mushrooms 21:52 Fixer look better 21:53 DS-minetest nope, also the floor is out of wood 21:53 DS-minetest ok, perhaps if i look good enough, i could see some fungi on my screen :P 21:53 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/tSqZAqT.jpg thinking about adding fancy lamps in some way 21:54 Nathans21 Why'd you want to grow poisonous mushrooms is beyond me, but to each their own :D 21:54 Fixer they are not poisonous 21:55 DS-minetest ha, add a book to mtg that includes all mushrooms to warn the player of poisoned ones 22:11 benrob0329 wow, everypne just up and left.. 22:22 twoelk Fixer: nice diving for them tennis balls flying too far 22:22 Fixer twoelk: will be washed away anyway :} 22:23 Fixer twoelk: roleplay kids will collect them 22:24 twoelk we do have a soccer mod somewhere, so where is the tennis mod? 22:30 benrob0329 twoelk: same place as Portal3 22:32 benrob0329 I hate it 22:32 benrob0329 When 22:32 benrob0329 People 22:32 benrob0329 Talk 22:32 benrob0329 Like 22:32 benrob0329 This 22:33 Calinou My enter key 22:33 Calinou is happy right now 22:33 Calinou please understand it 22:33 benrob0329 Lol 22:33 Calinou reminds me… I saw on Twitter a news article whose picture was a keyboard 22:33 Calinou the article was about DDoS attacks 22:33 Calinou so… the picture was a stock photo of a keyboard with a "DDoS attack" key in green 22:33 Calinou I want a keyboard like this… 22:33 Calinou :D 22:34 benrob0329 heh, that'd be a very dangerous keyboard :P 22:34 Calinou I think ABJ would like a keyboard with a "Shitpost" button 22:34 * benrob0329 is running Qingy instead of Getty now 22:34 VanessaE haha 22:34 Calinou KaadmY would probably like the first keyboard in the world with the IDFKA keyboard layout. 22:34 Calinou instant best-seller. 22:34 Calinou :P 22:34 Fixer "What if Kim wants to commit suicide? Forget jumping off a building or suicide-by cop-- why wouldn't he go for suicide-by-US, which can be easily accomplished by launching nukes at us? " 22:34 Calinou IDKFA*, lol 22:34 Calinou how can I mistype that 22:35 benrob0329 IDFKA = I Don't F*cking Know Anymore 22:35 benrob0329 Seemed fine to me 22:35 Calinou someone suggested IDGAF should have been a Doom cheat code… :P 22:36 Calinou there was a thread, "what would that cheat code do" 22:36 benrob0329 Godmode? 22:37 KaadmY IDFA = ID Fucking Arsenal 22:37 KaadmY (should've ****ed out the ****) 22:39 KaadmY https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM/blob/77735c3ff0772609e9c8d29e3ce2ab42ff54d20b/linuxdoom-1.10/st_stuff.c#L563 22:39 KaadmY If you're curious 22:39 benrob0329 I always find it cool how id open sources their games when they are done with them 22:40 KaadmY Not recently :( 22:40 benrob0329 why not? 22:40 KaadmY Since Rage they haven't released them 22:40 benrob0329 oh :-( 22:40 KaadmY Probably since they were sold to Zenimax 22:40 benrob0329 *sigh* 22:42 Fixer there is DoomRL 22:42 Fixer btw, for people who like roguelikes 22:42 Fixer and doom 22:42 Fixer opensource 22:45 KaadmY Wasn't DooMRL shut down due to copyright? 22:46 Calinou it renamed to D**mRL :) 22:46 Calinou https://github.com/ChaosForge/doomrl 22:46 Calinou (but the repository still is "doomrl") 22:46 Calinou benrob0329: I'd really like to see id Tech 5 release, but at least it runs well in WINE (no native Linux version exists, so you need WINE) 22:47 Calinou I'm playing Wolfenstein: The Old Blood via WINE 2.8 right now, works nearly perfectly, but key bindings have an issue that's workable around on non-QWERTY 22:48 Calinou ultimate settings (everything turned all the way up, except anti-aliasing which is "only" 8×, the game allows 32× at most but it has no real point): https://lut.im/9YlPPPNYKO/e1GVuXbJHe8w4JjA.png 22:48 Calinou 60+ FPS when looking at floors or walls, unfortunately most real gameplay will have to be done with 30-50 FPS 22:48 Calinou it's acceptable (better than console gameplay for sure), but low for a graphics card like mine (GTX 1080) 22:48 benrob0329 I always turn mine up to 16x on games when I can :P 22:49 Calinou 16× anisotropic filtering is useful 22:49 Calinou 16× anti-aliasing… not so much 22:49 Calinou 8× is already very good for AA 22:49 Calinou 4× is all you need on a hiDPI display 22:49 benrob0329 Also: more distros should use Qingy should be used by more distros 22:49 Calinou (sometimes even 2× will be enough for very high DPI)= 22:49 Calinou Qingy? 22:49 benrob0329 Scuse the thought clash there 22:50 benrob0329 Replaces Getty, and suporrs Xorg 22:50 benrob0329 Doesnt start xorg for login though 22:50 benrob0329 And has optional text mode (will fallback to it) 22:50 benrob0329 Full theming support 22:51 benrob0329 no xdm 22:51 Calinou need to try Dirt Rally too, I bought it on sale, it has native Linux support 22:51 Calinou it apparently is a good game, with very realistic (and thus hard) physics 22:51 benrob0329 Dangit, I missed the sale 22:51 Calinou I don't have a steering wheel unfortunately, but I have a gamepad at least, which works on Linux in wired mode 22:51 Calinou I already downloaded it 22:51 Calinou (26 GB!) 22:51 benrob0329 wow 22:51 Calinou (still less than the Wolfenstein games: they are 40 GB or so *each*) 22:52 Calinou I have 40 GB left on my 1 TB SSD right now 22:52 Calinou (I can clear up 30 GB by reducing the size of… the swap partition) 22:52 benrob0329 Less than a friend of mine's Gmod folder 22:52 Calinou Manjaro created a 32 GB swap for me… 22:52 Calinou I don't even 22:52 benrob0329 hibernation 22:52 benrob0329 I have ~20 gigs 22:52 Calinou 34.5 GB even 22:52 Calinou I never hibernate a PC, I suspend only laptops 22:52 Calinou NVIDIA on Linux with the proprietary driver will never support suspend, even less hibernate 22:53 Calinou unfortunately 22:53 benrob0329 nvidia sucks 22:53 Calinou trying to resume from suspend will often leave you with an unrecoverable state 22:53 Calinou black screen, movable cursor 22:53 Calinou NVIDIA is still the best choice for recent/AAA Linux games, WINE gaming, and so on 22:53 benrob0329 alt SysRec O 22:53 Calinou and they have the best hardware still 22:53 Calinou (AMD doesn't really have a GTX 1080 equivalent, don't even think about the GTX 1080 Ti) 22:54 benrob0329 Amd is coming in fast though 22:54 Calinou I'm aware it's really niche hardware but still :) 22:54 benrob0329 New stuff around the corner and fully open drivers 22:54 Calinou also NVIDIA's hardware has historically been more power-efficient, with the exception of Fermi 22:54 Calinou I've never owned an AMD card really though 22:55 benrob0329 But nvidia couldnt care less about open source 22:55 Calinou their open source drivers seem to be good now, but you still don't get even 90% of the Windows performance in most cases 22:55 Calinou yep, true 22:55 Calinou (same for Intel open source drivers, too) 22:55 benrob0329 I hear recent AMD drivers are great 22:55 Calinou Intel open source saves the day by being more compliant with graphics APIs than the Windows driver 22:55 Calinou which is not known for its good OpenGL or even Direct3D support 22:55 benrob0329 I've had better luck with intel on linux and windows afaik 22:55 benrob0329 Performance wise 23:00 Fixer i dislike AA 23:00 Fixer maybe just 2x 23:03 Calinou AA is one of the better things that happened to 3D rendering 23:03 Calinou I remember looking at non-antialiased games, especially in lower resolutions like 1024×768 23:03 Calinou it was terrible 23:04 Calinou AA makes any game, even classic Doom, look better 23:04 Fixer Calinou: AA makes it blurry 23:04 Calinou hmm, Wolfenstein is being crash-happy right now 23:05 Calinou it froze once, loaded my save, it outright crashes a few seconds after loading save 23:05 Calinou time for #winehq 23:05 Calinou I'll try something first 23:05 Fixer tip: never save during expected power outage 23:06 Calinou the game autosaves at checkpoints, so I haven't lost much progress 23:06 Calinou it's the least I expect from an AAA game… 23:07 Fixer lost my minetest sneak test world 23:11 Calinou oh, known bug: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38668 23:12 Calinou this is why you use OpenAL :D 23:22 Calinou it works reliably with claiming to be Windows 7 + built-in XAudio2_7 23:22 Calinou but changing the sound volume in-game does nothing! it stays loud even at volume set to 0! 23:22 Calinou this can be fixed by using PulseAudio mixer, hopefully 23:25 Calinou yep, works